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Community > Blog > To smack or not to smack?

To smack or not to smack?

9th Aug 2011
Debbie McTaggart

As the Victorian Government moves to follow the lead of NSW and ban the smacking of children, the Presbyterian Church has stepped into the argument, warning that parents could face court for disciplining their children. Is this another indication that Australia is turning into a nanny state, or an act to prevent children from being unfairly punished?

I hate to sit on the fence in anything, priding myself with having an opinion on anything and everything, whether others agree or not. However, on the issue of smacking a child, I am strangely ambivalent. I just don’t see how relevant legislation can be deemed to ‘solve’ this issue.

Born in the 70s, I am from a generation when smacking a child was an acceptable form of punishment. Now don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t a battered child, but my parents had no hesitation in a swift backhand to my backside when I stepped out of line. On occasion  my brother, who was naughtier than I, had my father’s belt taken to him, and despite the shock of seeing my mild-mannered father actually snap, I don’t recall thinking this to be excessive.

As the mother of a son who, when younger, would on a very rare occasion try my patience, I am strangely embarrassed to admit that I did smack his bottom. Something I’m sure many of my friends will also ‘confess’ to.

So, here is my dilemma; despite being on the receiving end of a smacking now and again, and then to have gone on and done the same thing to my own child, do I think parents should have carte blanche to smack their own child?  I’m not so sure I do, but why am I conflicted?

Firstly, my parents are gentle souls who never, knowingly or not, did anything which would physically harm me or my brother. Even on the rare occasions where my father snapped, more often than not, the threat of the belt was enough to bring my brother and I back from the brink of naughtiness.

Secondly, when pushed to the brink of even considering physically lashing out at a child, does a parent understand restraint or what is ‘reasonable force’, as practiced in Queensland.

And lastly, does the fact that I was smacked as a child and that I then went on to smack my own child make it right? Does the fact that no harm was done to me, nor did I do any harm to my son, make it right? Do two wrongs make a right? No.

So, how do I feel about the proposed laws on smacking? Saddened. Is this what society has come to that we need the law to deem what punishment is acceptable for a naughty child? Does the minority of parents who can’t control their temper, or who lash out as a matter of course, mean we must look to the state for guidance?  Apparently so.

What do you think? Should parents be able to smack their children as a means of punishment?





john
9th Aug 2011
6:10pm
Certainly should be allowed, Just look at London to see what happens with young individuals who have been taught that there are no consequences for their actions.
justme
9th Aug 2011
6:30pm
The term "Nanny State" is all the more appropriate in this case.
Another typical case of over educated under intelligent advisors/lobbyists proposing issues that take attention away from the election losing issues.
BIGGOLDENGIRL
9th Aug 2011
7:55pm
Yes Smack if Naughty
Roy
9th Aug 2011
11:46pm
I think the Bible says 'Spare the Rod
Monty
10th Aug 2011
6:56am
Yes, and spoil the child. I smacked my children, rarely, once ore twice with a belt but on those occasions, NEVER in anger and only ONE whack on the backside. They had time to think about why it was coming and I had time to settle down. It does not seem to have harmed them and they are responsible adults now.
marirose
10th Aug 2011
5:58am
Many parents have been led to believe it is already illegal to smack a child, this is why there are so many monsters running around these days
ShanefromCastlemaine
10th Aug 2011
8:29am
LOL ! Australia passed the point of being a hyper "Nanny State" a long time ago ! It would take years of activism to unwind all the ludicrous laws and regulations the half-wits have imposed. Keep on smacking when it is deserved.
Sandikay
10th Aug 2011
9:44am
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On rare occasions I did smack my children, but only on the bottom or the hand. Usually I only needed to raise my voice and they knew I meant business, so they scurried to do what they had too. Never did I hit them about the head or body. They have grown up responsible, caring, well adjusted and independant adults with good jobs and I'm very proud of them. One, a teacher works with Intellectually disabled and all three have at some time been involved with coaching youngsters sport at their local clubs. I deplore parents who bash their kids, but I don't see how this legislation will stop those parents who do because it happens behind closed doors and until the injuries are noticed by someone and reported it won't stop. In this case I say jail them and take the kids away
jpalin
10th Aug 2011
10:16am
It didn't do myself or friends any harm and certainly taught us respect which, along with good manners, seems to be sadly lacking in the youngsters these days!
rosemaryjune
10th Aug 2011
11:44am
It can be used as a last resort when all else fails after lengthy attempts to prevent bad behaviour especially if a child is pelacing themselves or others at risk. Some children are stubborn and "turn a deaf ear" or blatantly defy you anyway. When my niece started school in 1988 and the younger one in 1990, they were taught that they had rights, and if they didn't want to do what their parents asked them to they didn't have to. The school ended up with a lot of hoodlums who "played up" in class - teachers are adults too according to students- yet parents were expected to control their children, and of course teach them good manners.
I know one parent whose younger child "played up" in school - and at home- and got a complaint from the school - and what was then the Welfare Dept. In absolute desperation the Welfare Officer was asked if he wanted to take, raise the child and the Govt. pay the expenses. Guess what- the answer was no. He was told not to tell them how to raise their child - and to offer counselling to the child- guess what - none forthcoming.
rackaybre
10th Aug 2011
7:37pm
Better a parent to discipline with a smack to the naughty childs bottom, than to have an unliked, wayward child who may bring heartbreak to many.
Kaye Fallick
10th Aug 2011
9:52pm
I am reading "The Slap" by Christos Tsiolkas. The mother who becomes hysterical when her child is slapped is the most annoying character in the book - and there are a LOT of annoying characters. Sometimes getting angry with someone who criticises your child is simply displacing your emotion - perhaps guilt at not having sufficient backbone to provide ongoing discipline and limitations on bad behaviour? It is very hard to say no to your own child - but often that simple word is the kindest thing you can share.
maris song
11th Aug 2011
11:03am
Obviously our current politicians are bored and don't have much to do that they now they want to interfere in our family lives. Are they so blind that they can't see that there's so much more to do in society thant needs fixing than them interfering in our family lives. In the older days the rod was a good deterrent for obedience/displine and we obeyed authority. As a kid I went into a toy shop with my hands in my pocket and only pointed to the toy I wanted to buy... today look how messy the toy shops are because the kids are so undisciplined and the parents just don't care....

today with all the bad examples they see in the movies how young kids act like adults, insulting their parents, fighting authority as if they ruled the world has made our young kids to big headed and therefore not obey authority, become violent and very selfish.

If they don't respect their parents don't expect them to respect the law. If the State laws are weak, like what we have, don't expect a disciplined society to grow out of it. In todays term anything goes until someone says its not. Young kids no longer have childhoods because young selfish parents with no moral discipline use their kids to make money or make them their tool for their own stardom.... all these will get even worst if no discipline is enforced and morality restored to our society.
bartpcb
11th Aug 2011
12:04pm
Yes we are, or more correctly become a nanny state, and Yes Parents and Teachers should be allowed to administer Corporal Punishment.
Probably more to the point, why do we allow hairy arm-pitted minority groups dictate personal, social and Governmental policy???
jlhf43
12th Aug 2011
1:45am
When they started taking the cane out of the schools and the do-gooders started their "kids have rights" garbage, it wasn't long before we had filling jails all over the country, kids on good behaviour bonds (what a joke) and magistrates and judges too scared to impose any acceptable (to the community) punishment for fear of being targeted by the do-gooders. The worst they get is a slap on the wrist or get off altogether "because my mother's de facto abused me". No wonder the country has gone to the dogs when kids KNOW they can do as they please, go where and when they like and there are few if any, consequences. Give 'em a damned good slap on the legs with a wooden ruler or spoon - only takes one now and again. Let's not forget, that's all more than 95% of parents would give at worst, and like someone already said, the abusers will do it anyway, regardless of any laws made by any government.
koko
12th Aug 2011
10:57am
Individual responsibility is gradually disappearing from society, as political correctness....a form of communism....insidiously takes over our lives. Many politicians today, seem to think their job is to run every facet of our lives.
Motherof3
12th Aug 2011
3:48pm
We do NOT need an anti-smacking law. What we do need is more information (via TV-Ads) to show young parents how to deal with children's bad behaviour. Kids should know there are consequences for bad behaviour. Some parents are too lazy to get up when their child misbehaves. Others are so afraid their 1-3 year olds might have a tantrum, they dare not say "No". Instead they start a talk-fest with their toddler. Yet this EARLY time in their lives is when you teach them that YOU are the adult. It only takes one or two instances of REAL consequence to make bad behaviour stop. Often there's no need to smack. And although bashing your kids up should be punishable by law; occasional smacking (using your hands, not tools!) is a different thing.
Hendo
13th Aug 2011
2:24pm
This the same society that produced David Hicks. Perhaps if his parents had taken responsibility for their role as parents then we wouldn't have had that individual growing up doing just whatever he felt like.

There are times when we need to insist that our children do what we ask of them, first we ask, then we tell, then we act. Politicians can change the law, but they certainly won't make the world better for it. My experience as a parent was that those who didn't have children were the most likely to tell me how to be a parent. They failed to gain my respect, just as many politicians have failed to gain my respect. One of the first things that I learnt when entering the workforce was that to get respect, I had to earn it. Nothing has changed in that regard.
jlhf43
16th Aug 2011
12:57am
Looks like we all agree on this one. I especially like Hendo's comments
rosemaryjune
6th Sep 2011
6:36pm
Once the child is old enough to understand the consequences of his / her bad behaviour, and continues in a defiant fashion, you can confiscate a "special" toy, the length of time depending on the severity of the crime. Hurt feelings far more than a smack. If we were out visiting and were doing something wrong, we would be frowned at rather than yelled at and a "scene" created causing embarrassment for everybody.
swag
2nd Feb 2012
7:46pm
A short, smart slap is what psychiatrists would call "pattern interupt". It has been a useful tool for those who cannot, under the prevailing circumstances, not control their behaviour and cannot listen to reason.
(e.g. hysteria, child having a tantrum etc). Trouble is, that if done in public, you run the gamut of libertarians (many of whose children are running wild). As a teacher, I cannot even touch a child, regardless of circustances... but when it comes to my own children, I have used 'pattern interupt' at times - always on the lower part of the body. It is very effective. One can sometimes use a different diversionary technique - shifting focus for the child. It is the parent who must decide - not government agencies.
Actual Cat
9th Feb 2012
1:28pm
Swag, my experience is very like yours.

It is very sad and misguided for parents to allow their children to run amok - the children become unlikeable, which is doing them a disservice.
Children need discipline from their parents, their first teachers, so they can learn to be a part of the community. If this means a smack when young, then so be it. As many have said, a smack on the back of the legs (not a flogging), will do no harm - in fact, shows a child its boundaries. The government should not be involved in normal family life. Off topic a little, but along with discipline, children must be taught good manners and see manners being used every day.
gustacian
2nd Apr 2012
2:08pm
I think the majority of parents know the difference between a smack and a bash. Sometimes very naughty children need a smack to get them into line. I dont think the Government should tell you how to raise your kids as long as you dont injure them, then of course it is a different story.
Cat Lady
4th May 2012
9:45pm
I was smacked as a child when I did something serious, and I did the same with my children. My sons have all said that I never hurt them, but it shocked them into doing as they were told. I used other forms of punishment like time out etc. for lesser problems. My boys are well liked and respected as adults, and I'm proud of them. So many of the problems that happen now is through lack of discipline in the beginning. If parents don't teach respect for others or responsible behaviour, the end result is an anti-social teenager and adult. There's a big difference between beating and smacking. Gladly imprison anyone that beats a child, but no government is going to to tell me how to raise my children.
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