NSW ELECTION
Those interested might like to use this space to discuss issues that are important to them in the lead up to the election. Views of a more general nature also welcome. Do you think NSW will mirror the trend set in the recent Victorian and Queensland elections? Do you think personal views about Tony Abbott and the federal LNP will affect the way people vote?
Where ???
I am looking at channell nine with 50 seats forhe coalition and one for greens Whoohooo !!! Let's stop importing Gas and develop our own!!!
I heard them say that Lismore an Ballina are likely to go to the Greens
I follow Anthony Green (ABC). He's the expert.
Greens have won Newtown too (my old stamping ground) and possibly Balmain. A wonderful result for Greens especially in the Northern Rivers which has always been very conservative and National Party.
I've spent some time in Newtown and Marrickville in early 70's
Glad you escaped the ABC Fairfax Rich area Abbs and live a normal life ...
Now NSW can power ahead and put 20 billion into new Govt infrastructure ... Funny how those who want more govt ownership oppose recyclycling of assets ..
Recycling? Don't you mean selling? or more correctly "leasing for 99 years"? which is the same diff.
No Robi the plan is To increase Govt assets by leasing off 49 per cent of one asset then increasing govt assets in new areas . Labors plan as in Vic was to. Do nothing ... Not my idea . I am against governments having any assets . But the best that can be achieved with Labor greens scare campaigns .
I have just returned from a celebration party. I don't know where the information came from that Greens had won Lismore? I don't think so. I tipped a net gain of 11 Seats for Labor & it looks like it will be 13. The big new is that Baird has won the Upper House & won't have to deals with the minority idiots who seem to believe that their job is to make certain that nothing the elected Government wants, goes through.
Are you sure Innes? Usually it takes longer than one night to get the Upper House results. Greens have won Lismore and Ballina but it could possibly turn around when all votes are counted, in which case either or both would go to Labor. What is very clear is that the Nationals have lost both seats. Anthony Green gave both seats to the Greens and he usually knows what he is talking about. Sounds like you don't want to see what you don't want to see.
The coaltion have won NSW get used to it ..
I expected them to win Pete so not phased. Just hope the Senate can stop the sale of our poles and wires.
By the way, you never explained why you were getting mail re Coogee electorate when you say you live in Paddington which is in the Sydney electorate.
I don't understand your point ..yes I live in Malcolm's electorate . And he is supporting his Liberal member in the eastern suburbs so what ?
So why was he sending you a letter about the Coogee electorate when you don't (you say) live in it?
Malcolm is a federal minister that covers the eastern suburbs . So yes we are interested in what happens. In our area including public transport .,,
So when you put up the Jeremy Clarkson petition, which unfortunately, had your name showing before you changed it why did it say suburb Coogee?
Vivety what the heck are you talking about ?
Done the same myself Pete when I put up a petition the person posting the petition name goes on it, you forgot or didn't untick your name not to be shown on the petition, you later altered it so it no longer showed. Don't worry I won't put up your full name but I suspect others on here also saw it.
I really don't care , have nothing to hide . My real name is Peter Hatch ...
I am left wondering though Pete why you would pretend to live in Paddington when you obviously live in Coogee? What is the point of such pretence? Not sure I can believe anything you have told us now.
Never lived in Coogee in my life ! Weird conversation !
Robi, I reckon the Greens have won in Pete's electorate.
Robi, Guess Pete has learnt from his TOP GEAR petition and his letter from Malcolm that it is not wise to put up too much info on the Internet. Coogee Electorate covers a large area but not Sydney CBD as you say, Coogee itself looks a nice place too.
Glad to see Malcolm was fully supportive of the Liberal candidate for Coogee guess it might show he, Malcolm, is open minded on Gay partnerships unlike Tony..
Oh Pete you little fibber...telling us you live in Paddington....well that's one way of keeping up with the Jones's even if it's just in the cyber world. I saw it too Viv.
When you are going to lie dear little Peter...you have to cross all the Ts and Dot all the Is or something like that!!!! That's why I always tell the truth!
Gerry, your blind hatred of anything progressive & politically right wing elicits some ridiculous statements. How on Earth can you work out that Pete who lives in the Federal area of Wentworth, could possibly have anything to do with Newtown, Balmain or Ballina? Jenny Leong won the Seat of Newtown on the promise to stop the West Connex (M5) going under King Street. Can't you & Robiconda understand that because the Baird Government has won both the Leg., Assembly & the Leg., Council in NSW, the people of Newtown, Balmain & Ballina are now effectively disenfranchised. The Greens no longer have any power whatsoever in the State of NSW. It is very easy to promise the Earth when there is no way that you will ever have to, or be able to deliver. The simple fact is, that if the people of Newtown wanted to have any effect whatsoever on the M5, they would have had to vote for the Coalition
gee innes I am sorry to disappoint you but I have no blind hatred of anything , much less anything to do with politics. I do have a dislike of Toxic Tony but only because he is a liar extreme and a dill.
Just in case you are not aware this was not a federal election so I am left wondering why you mention the federal seat of wentworth, ... and if I remember pete mentioned some time back that he lived in the state electorate of Balmain.
I do feel sorry for all those people in NSW who are against the sell off and was quite surprised at the size of the swing against the government in several seats.
By the way innes you seem to post a lot for someone who has left several times.
Look at State Electorate Boundaries Innes after all you just had a State Election not a Federal one, different Boundaries.
Innes,
If people in the Newtown electorate who are against the West Connex had voted for the Coalition it would have been considered a mandate for the project going ahead. So your logic is nonsensicle. Besides, I think the Green member was retained in that electorate so the people must have been happy with the representation they have been getting for the past 4 years.
A cool head and patience is needed now the election is over, all the rejoicing can later become tears of disappointment, as it did with Kennet, and a myriad of other right wing {world} leaders. Let's hope the selling of assets is not a failure for the people.
Why are governments keen on selling an ÄSSET? if they are profitable? why put some of the profit into a private business away from revenue to the state,
Isn't that why we have assets to help with revenue?.
Seth, the Government is not going to sell anything. The Labor Party has kept stating 2 lies. The second lie is that the 49% of the poles & wires earns NSW $B1.7P/A. It does not. In actual fact, the State has had to give more in subsidy to the Commission than the dividend that it has drawn, in more than one instance. The one thing that I do agree with is that I can't see any way that they can raise $B20 from the selling of the lease. Constance has even admitted that it is only a Treasury estimate.
The scare campaign against coal-seam gas was clearly a big vote-winner for the Greens, set to deliver the party up to four seats in the NSW parliament.
But not one of those seats — two in inner-city Sydney and two on the far northeast coast — is home to any active CSG operations. And in seats where the locals have real experience of the challenges and benefits of CSG, the Greens were nowhere.
Voters in Barwon, Clarence, Tamworth and Upper Hunter — home to active CSG operations and exploration — all returned Nationals MPs, with the Greens’ primary vote in the single digits.
In Newtown, just 5km from the Sydney CBD and 500km from the controversial Pilliga Forest gasfields, the Greens vote was almost 47 per cent.
Across the State the Green vote was down at 10 per cent
NSW Farmers president Fiona Simson concedes coalmining and CSG were clearly factors in Ballina and Lismore but says they were not key issues in rural electorates elsewhere in the state.
Changes to native-vegetation laws, infrastructure spending and health were bigger issues across regional areas in general, she said.
The sprawling seat of Barwon, where CSG activity around Narrabri is a hot-button issue, was retained by the Nationals’ Kevin Humphries. At the Narrabri Public School, the closest polling booth to Santos’s major Pilliga Forest CSG project, the Greens secured just 46 votes, compared with 1020 for the Nationals.
Up the road, at the Gunnedah Town Hall in the Tamworth electorate, just 1.8 per cent of votes cast were for the Greens, despite the country town being a flashpoint for activism against CSG and coalmining — much of it from outsiders, locals claim. Nationals MP Kevin Anderson held his seat with an increased vote.
In the seat of Upper Hunter, north of Sydney, where coalmining is a major industry and the state’s biggest CSG operations outside of the Pilliga are based, Nationals MP Michael Johnsen retained his seat.
Independent candidate Lee Watts, who has supported coalmining in the region, recorded much more support than the Greens candidate, who secured just 5.1 per cent of the primary vote.
At Gloucester, where AGL had its CSG operations suspended by the government in January over environmental concerns, support for the Greens was negligible.
At Gloucester High School, 37 people voted for Greens candidate John Kaye compared with 192 for Mr Johnsen. At Scone Public School, 45 people voted for Mr Kaye while 643 backed Mr Johnsen. (By comparison, at Newtown Public School, 58 per cent of voters backed the Greens, as did 45 per cent of Saturday’s voters at Byron Bay Public School. In the counterculture town of Nimbin, in the Byron hinterland, the Greens scored 74 per cent of the vote.)
Australian 30/03/2015
Who was the author of that crap Pete? It is utter BS. Most of the North Coast and Northern Rivers Area is sold out to mining leases and many of them were renewed by the Nats last December.The only reason not much mining has yet occurred in the Northern Rivers area is because the people who live here have fought hard to keep their environment pristine. The Green vote in the Ballina and Lismore electorates reflects the intensity of feeling against gas mining. Everyone is geared to fight in any way we can against letting the mining companies destroy our environment. You are seeing history in the making here. Other parts of the State have not caught up but they will.
The real truth that shows up what a pack of lies you have produced above is written here. Check out the map which shows the location of the leases in the Northern Rivers region and the true extent of it.
Invasive Gas mining in the Northern Rivers - Gasfield Free Northern ...csgfreenorthernrivers.org › Learn About Coal Seam Gas ... exploration licenses (PEL's) in the Northern Rivers region (click on map at right to expand). ... Metgasco has since sued the NSW government, with the intention of ... announced that it had aqcuired PEL 445, which covers an area of approx. ... We make no claims, promises or guarantees about the absolute accuracy, ...
The key flaw in Labor’s argument was that the fight over electricity was a fuss over very little, probably nothing. It was Labor, after all, who privatised NSW electricity generation and retailers: all that remained for sale was transmission and distribution, the so-called “poles and wires”. Past Labor premiers Morris Iemma and Bob Carr had endorsed full privatisation of electricity, yet now Labor claimed it was akin to party sacrilege to sell what was left.
The dishonesty of Labor’s campaign was blatant when it came to rises in electricity prices because Baird was forced to argue against a simple claim that was refuted by facts. Victoria has privatised electricity, and prices are cheaper than in NSW.
Furthermore, electricity prices are controlled nationally by the Australian Energy Regulator, not by supposedly profiteering companies that could be foreign owned. Even Foley’s claim that selling the remaining assets would cost the state budget $1.7bn in annual dividends was wrong. Treasury figures show, and Foley now accepts, that dividends have dropped to $400m and the impact of a sell-off would not affect plans to keep the budget in surplus.
Australian 30/3/2015
The Australian only sprouts right wing crap
Yep, and Pete picks out far right-wing commentators to regurgitate.
Correct Gerry. That little piece has so many holes in it its a joke. If prices are controlled by a regulator why price differences ? The right claim privatised power is cheaper yet say its all the same because of a regulator ? 1 billion is the revenue that would be lost. 400 million if an accurate look at annual profit would not generate the billions ie 20 that is expected from the sale. NSW black coal power is cheaper than brown coal power.
NSW state election 2015: Greens say Labor, Nationals are on noticeSydney Morning Herald-19 hours agoHe said the election result demonstrated that voters wanted an alternative to the "broken two-party ... Refresh this page for latest results.
Senior Labor figures, including former premier Bob Carr, have declared the fight against power privatisation lost, urging the party to get out of the way of Mike Baird’s economic reforms after his resounding NSW election victory at the weekend.
Mr Baird declared he had a mandate for reform, saying voters had chosen “hope over fear” by backing his electricity sell-off to build $20 billion worth of new infrastructure and shrugging off a Labor scare campaign on the issue.
While Opposition Leader Luke Foley signalled yesterday that all Labor policies — including its rejection of the power sell-off — were “up for review”, there were signs last night that the government might secure control of the upper house, meaning it would not have to negotiate with the opposition or minor parties to pass its legislation.
Mr Carr and fellow party figures Michael Egan and Michael Costa yesterday urged Mr Foley to drop his opposition to privatisation and allow it through the upper house.
Yesterday, Mr Carr, who supports privatisation but stayed silent during the campaign, called on the party to change its mind.
“I don’t care what Labor does, the debate is over,” he said. “It is what could and should have happened in 1997 and 2008. Baird has a mandate and an upper-house majority. The real debate now is about how the assets are sold, what return they deliver for the people.
“It was a mistake to block me from doing it in 1997 and getting $30bn for the assets.
“All the unions did was to enable a Liberal government in the end to deliver privatisation without the big block of money and the delivery on Labor priorities.”
“The unions stopped Labor, under me and then (premier) Morris Iemma, from delivering on programs that benefited Labor people.
“Where’s the grand strategy in this? I can’t see it. In the meantime, the value of the assets is much diminished.”
Mr Egan, the former Labor treasurer, wrote yesterday that the party “should now stop fooling itself that an anti-privatisation policy is a vote-winner for Labor’’.
“It never has been and it never will be. It is simply wishful thinking on the part of Labor’s left-wingers, Luke Foley included.”
Echoing Mr Ferguson, he said that Labor’s arguments against privatisation were completely bogus.
“The so-called national-security argument against privatisation was no more than xenophobic dog-whistling. It was an argument I would expect from One Nation or the Greens, but never from Labor,” Mr Egan said.
Mr Costa, another former Labor treasurer, also called on Labor to drop its opposition.
“Mike Baird has a clear mandate to implement his plan,” Mr Costa said.
“And it’s in the interests of Labor to put this issue to bed once and for all, so they can start the process of proper policy development which was lacking in the lead-up to this election.”
Australian 30/03/2015
are you getting paid to post this rubbish ?
Why do you consider the opinions of Senior Labor party figures rubbish?
Never did have any time for Carr or Costa.
Or Iemma or Egan ?
In the wealthy inner suburbs The Greens are a real problem for Labor . With Tanya Pilberseck and Albi now under threat.
Labor has always had this threat from minor protest parties whether the DLP Democrats or now the greens .
nobody laughed at your joke peete
At the 2012 Queensland election the Greens gave no preferences to the ALP because of then-premier Anna Bligh’s privatisation, pro-coal and anti-environment policies. In the ensuing almighty anti-Labor swing, Labor was reduced to just seven seats.
However, on January 31 this year, Greens candidates in all 89 seats gave preferences to Labor after Annastacia Palaszczuk used her official launch speech to commit to rescuing the Great Barrier Reef from mining and dredging and to reintroducing tree-clearing laws that were repealed by the LNP.
No Greens candidate was elected, but the party’s preferences took the swing to Labor from 11% to 14% and delivered a history-making victory to Palaszczuk.
You’d think that the NSW Labor Party would draw the conclusion that it should secure a strategic preference arrangement with the NSW Greens in advance of the next state election on March 28. But, contrary to all electoral logic, the NSW ALP is campaigning fiercely against the Greens in an election.
In the Sydney inner-city seats of Newtown, Summer Hill and Balmain (currently held by the Legislative Assembly’s first and only Greens MP, Jamie Parker), the war has begun in earnest.
Labor has three female candidates, all from the “hard Left”, contesting the seats: Penny Sharpe, an upper house MP, in Newtown; Jo Haylen, a Marrickville councillor, in Summer Hill; and Verity Firth, former education minister, in Balmain.
The Greens and the ALP’s “hard Left” are old sparring partners. They share so many policy positions that they seem like natural allies. But at local, state and federal elections, the knives come out.
The “hard Left” take the view that the Greens are stealing their members, supporters and voters. The success of Adam Bandt in the federal seat of Melbourne at the last two federal elections would seem to bear out at least some of the faction’s worst fears.
But rather than running a contest of policies and candidate quality in next month’s NSW election, the Labor Party has opted for a campaign based on scapegoating the Greens and misrepresenting their policies.
The fiercely contested outcome is important because the inner city is the factional power base of two key federal players: Anthony Albanese, MP for Grayndler, and Tanya Plibersek, MP for Sydney.
Both want the state seats of Newtown, Summer Hill and Balmain to be under ALP “hard Left” domination, which would mean more votes for them in any future branch ballots on candidate selection and leadership positions.
Next month, Greens members will decide at a series of local party ballots whether to preference Labor candidates. Those with a good record on environmental issues in Parliament and the local community can normally expect to receive Greens support.
Only a handful of Labor candidates received Greens preferences at the March 2011 election, which ended in a Coalition landslide and Labor’s worst result in 100 years.
CRIKEY feb 15 2015
Do you consider Crikey to be far right Gerry?
I consider so many copy / pastes a sign you cannot think for yourself.
More quotes from sources that others don't read for their pleasure and enjoyment and enliightment . If you don't like to think please do not read . It is extreme right wing propaganda probably a reprint from Mein Kapft . Certainly handcrafted By Mr Rupert Murdoch.....
Labor’s loss of credibility means Luke Foley could never win NSW
THE AUSTRALIAN APRIL 02, 2015 12:00AM
Niki Savva
Opinion Columnist
Canberra
Luke Calwell did not do as well as he should have in the NSW election because he made the wong calls. Arfur Shorten risks going the same way.
Channelling old-time Labor leader Arthur Calwell — defender of White Australia, coiner of “two Wongs don’t make a white” — to stoke fears about the Chinese or the Japanese is not the way forward for an Australian political party in the 21st century. It is not the way forward for an Australian political leader, and it is certainly not the way forward for Australia.
Any leader who ventures down that dead end, after decades of migration, decades of persuasion about our place in Asia and its importance to our future prosperity, is not only wrong and stupid, he is rightly doomed to fail.
Luke Foley was never going to win last Saturday night. For all sorts of reasons he was never going to beat Mike Baird, the lingering stink from previous Labor administrations and Baird himself smelling like a roomful of Mr Lincoln red roses being just two.
He lost a big chunk of his integrity when he fell in with the campaign against Chinese ownership of the state’s poles and wires In an amazing trifecta Labor dealt itself out of the centre that Baird now effortlessly owns, was squeezed on the left by the Greens, and successfully trashed its economic credibility with mainstream voters
Endorsing the racist campaign orchestrated by the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union was indefensible. Foley should have used his authority to stop it going to air; then, if he could not, he should have disowned it as soon as it appeared.
Bill Shorten stayed mute at the time and still refuses to criticise the campaign, placing tribalism ahead of national interest.
Punishing someone for saying what they have long believed to be true, which also happens to be right, is a sure-fire way for an opposition leader to stay where he is — in opposition. Expelling people for refusing to toe the party line is another throwback to the purges of the 1950s.
If there is no place for someone like Ferguson in today’s Labor, then it is at grave risk of becoming a boutique party held hostage by unions and the Greens, leaving at least one Labor man to ponder what would happen federally if Malcolm Turnbull resumed the Liberal leadership given his cross-party appeal. Shorten, familiar as he is with the ways of the union movement and why old enemies have been lying in wait for Ferguson, should have spoken out forcefully. It’s called leadership, Bill. Use it or lose it.
Now Gerry you have to keep up your end of inane statements for this game to work . Otherwise we will be back to women having cat fights .,,
GREENS HAVE WON LISMORE TOO. DOUBLE YEEEEEHAAAA!!!