Looks like Innes is wrong on BNP not being popular in UK

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/103025/BNP-winners-in-MP-scandal

[quote]BNP winners in expenses scandal
By Jason Groves

BRITISH National Party leader Nick Griffin is on course to win a seat in the European Parliament next month on the back of a tidal wave of public anger over MPs’ expenses.

An exclusive Sunday Express poll conducted in the Salford constituency of Communities Secretary Hazel Blears revealed the minor parties, including the far-right BNP, are the main beneficiaries of ­public disgust with the political establishment.

The results suggest that Mr Griffin, who has a criminal conviction for inciting racial hatred, is on course to be elected as an MEP for the North-West region next month.

The survey of 500 voters showed that Ms Blears would lose her seat because of revelations that she claimed thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money on three homes in a single year.

She also used a legal dodge to avoid paying more than £13,000 in capital gains tax, which she has offered to repay.

The Sunday Express survey also suggests that a disillusioned 55 per cent would not vote at all.

Among those intending to vote, the BNP picked up 38.4 per cent support compared to 19.2 per cent for Labour.

The result, in what was a safe Labour seat, gives the Tories 13.4 per cent of the vote, the Liberal Democrats 10.7 per cent and the Greens and the UK Independent Party 7.1 per cent each.

If the result is repeated across the North-West in next month’s European Parliament elections Mr Griffin will be elected to Brussels.

The findings will horrify the mainstream parties and deepen concern about the fallout from the MPs’ expenses scandal.

The Bishop of Bolton last night appealed to ­voters in the region not to turn to the BNP. The Right Rev Chris Edmondson said that although the Church had been “extremely ­disappointed” by revelations about MPs’ expenses, ­voters should consider carefully the “core values” of minor parties before making a protest vote.

In an open letter he rejected the BNP’s claim to represent the teachings of Jesus, adding: “At the heart of Christian faith is the oneness and commonality of all humankind, created in the image and likeness of God. We cannot support any party promoting division and the scapegoating of others.”

Voters in Salford voiced their anger yesterday at the expenses scandal.

Lifelong Labour voter John O’Neill, 70, is among those who no longer support the party.

He said: ‘I voted Labour last time, but I’d vote BNP now. I honestly think they would do a better job. Hazel Blears’ expenses have done nothing for us – there are Poles coming in and taking our jobs. That was the final straw.”

Retired docker Cliff Barcroft, 73, said: ‘I’ve voted Labour all my life, but never again. I will probably vote UKIP but definitely not Labour.

The Sunday Express conducted similar surveys in the crucial seats of Worcester and Basildon, which also suggested the minor parties are on course to do well.

In Worcester, sitting Labour MP Michael Foster, who claimed £83,594 in second home expenses over five years, is set to be deposed by the Conservatives, with the minor parties doubling their vote.

And in Basildon, Gordon Brown’s Parliamentary aide Angela Smith is also on course to be kicked out, picking up only 16.2 per cent support compared to 34.7 per cent for the Tories.

The UK Independence Party has 13.8 per cent of the vote and the BNP has 7.8 per cent.[/quote]

Maybe you should take a look at this video and ponder a while on Australia's future outlook too. Same problems as UK just not so far down the road but catching up fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Very scary mainly because it is based on true figures. UN says by 2040 Australia will have a white minority.

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Very interesting & very scary post BigVal. I don't think that I ever bemoaned the Tories chances in the UK. With Gordon Brown, at the helm, things would have to look good for anybody. But BNP, winning, even 1 seat, is a bit like standing Hitler's grandson in Israel & winning.

I have read the figures on white minority by 2040 before, & have to agree. BUT, The relatively new Centerlink policy of sending mothers back to work, as soon as the youngest child turns 7, could slow the outcome to 2045!!! Maybe we should have a look at Mau's one child policy. Pun intended, but not at all funny.

Scary video - made my blood run cold!!!!



Immigration is the cause of it - BNP has said they will halt immigration from counties not in the EU and also pay a sum of money to resettle any willing to return to their previous homelands. Very racist that _NOT



See you are pointing the Nazi tag onto the BNP again just as you did to the APP.

Hardly a Hitler solution - not gassing them.



Britons are heartily sick of immigrants flooding by the thousand and in particular Muslims who have blown them up and spat in their faces for far too long and the Labour government there just panders to them - whilst British born are passed over or accused of being racist if they question anything. Sound familiar?



Anyway Innes I reckon that BNP will get into Westminster before long and in numbers - this EU will tell the tale - something has to give - not on.ly in the Uk but all over Europe - folk are not happy Jan!

I give in BigVal, you keep buggering up my arguements with facts.

I cannot understand why it took the UK so long to stop the emmigration of black African members of the Commonwealth, but why the importation of Muslims?

BTW, I never meant to put a German Nazi tilt on the arguement, but do we really want to have a MAD right political system?

As I have said before, not all muslims are terrorists, but all but the Irish terrorists are Muslim. We have banned the importation & breeding of pit bulls, but we are allowing the immigration of the Taliban!!!

I can see that you may be right about the BNP entry into Westminster, but, do we really need the re-introduction of Queen Victoria, followed by the British Inquisition?

Multiculturalism tends to emphasize the rights of ethnic minorities at the expense of the majority of Australians, thus unnecessarily encouraging division and threatening social cohesion.

Professor Geoffrey Blainey.



Innes the above quote says why BNP is rising in popularity in the UK.



Maybe if they blow up some trains and buses here on the mainland instead of holiday makers - people here will start to follow the UK and look for a party that will halt immigration.



You must admit to keep allowing all these people in right now when they say we will soon have 1 million unemployed is ludicrous and stupid only adds to the welfare bill which means less for those already here.

Adds to the housing shortage caused by too many people for the housing and pushing up prices and rents by demand.



Blainey has been rubbished for his stance above and saying that Multiculturalism isn't working by the left and of course the left is strong in the ALP as well as Greens. Even a few in Liberals - Petro Georgio and Judy Moylan and another one who wouldn't sign onto a Howard solution for dealing with illegal aliens*.



I use that the American term* for people trying to come in by boat as it is a better description than asylum seekers as they are not seeking asylum but a better lifestyle in what they see as a wealthy country - has to be wealthy as it pays people not to work and to have babies and gives them a house and fills it with all the mod cons for the good life.



I will watch what happens there as it takes my mind of the awful things happening right here. shortage of water and the forecast of it doubling or tripling in cost in the vey near future. Our state government ripping it off the local councils and also sewerage making them unviable and now telling them that they - the councils have to bear the rbunt of the Seniors discounts on Rates which means they wont be able to afford it - most likely - pl;us the background that the takeover is to sell our water to the mainland as they are all short of water and why? Too many people for the water and liveable land to support and still more coming in.



I ask you - scary for me but more so for the grand kids and their kids - a rotten world is being left for them - huge debts and unable to feed ourselves due to farmers walking off the land - heard today that Victorian dairy farmers had a 38% CUT in their April checks and will have to let workers go or some say not worth it due to their Co-op - Devondale - having to pay 30 million for carbon trading and then on top of that the Americans and the Europeans are all putting back subsidies for their own farmers!!!



So much for a level playing field.



Be the exact same with emissions trading - we will lose jobs and pay millions extra in costs of energy and the subsidies to the poorer ones like pensioners will not cover the whole rises. But we have too lead the world to suit the ambitions of our Chairman Rudd to strut the world stage and even the greens say he is being stupid. Wow.

Every point you raise here is legitimate, & I am an old fan of Blainey's, too. I agree that multi-culturism is sheer craziness, but I can't agee on multi racial immigration. The only point I stress is that it should avoid religous problems. We are a Christian Country & cannot live alongside fundamentalist Muslims. The same goes, in reverse. You can get a young dog & a young kitten to live together, quite happily, in one home. But, even Attenborough cannot tell me where I can find a Dingo, sharing it's cave with a feral cat. Think back to the late 40's when we were importing hordes of Italian, Greek, Polish & Czech dirt farmers. They were basically christian & now have grandchildren, who are just as Australian, as any other descendants of the Irish criminals & the MaCarthur scum who inhabited this great Country, 200 odd years ago.

The basic problem comes from religous philosophy. KRudd will win the "surprise'' election, later this year, the you & I, as well as a few others, will whinge & moan, until the Libs get in at the following ballot. But, we will get on with it!!! Under the Muslim mentality; if 99.9% of the population voted for Labor, the 0.1% of Liberal LOSERS would commence blowing up Labor busses & trains, to slay the infidels.

As for the debt, again I agree, but look at the KRudd plan. It is mostly pye in the future sky. He has factored in things like investigating a light rail link to Parramatta. I't ain't gunna happen, EVER. He is going to build the greatest internet system, on Earth, at a little, estimated, $43 Billion. My grandchildren will attend his funeral, with tears in their eyes, long before he finds commercial partners for the shortfall, on that one.

Before Clay or is it Torry now, jump on my shoulders, I am sorry about the pye. It should have been pie. Just getting my Muslims mixed up with my 22/7's

Innes -I agree that multi-culturism is sheer craziness, but I can’t agree on multi racial immigration.



Now I don't get that - we were going along very nicely with the immigration from UK and Europe - and a few Asians limited in numbers so they don't form ghetto's are alright which we had before the WAP was brought in by Labor in 1901 to protect the Australian workers from third world cheap labour and the greed of employers to make huge profits on other people's misery. Since the WAP was abandoned - we have had a huge intake of non Europeans and lately they are working for a lot less than the awards but not enough was done under Howard - they were trying to stop it but problems in immigration department are most likely to blame as they mucked up quite a lot as we all know deporting Australians etc and are not seemingly improving under Rudd.



Seems a lot of the problems come from departments these days like the troubles in Defence. Maybe the heads get paid too much or live the high life - whatever but something is wrong!



Since the 80's we have mainly brought in people from violent cultures which have nothing in common with ours and which has caused the very problems being experienced in Britain, France, Germany and Italy far too many Muslims who never fit in and have intention of so doing - all are having problems with violence and the host peoples are not happy as losing identity etc.

Apart from the Dutch who seem to love to deconstruct their society with legal drugs :( and too many diverse cultures that kill their politicians :( rather than debate them.



Did you know that in WA we have already got established Sharia Courts for Muslims - supposedly because of their 'family' differences like 4 wives. Which the Koran say a man can only have if he can afford to keep them. Well Centrelink helps him to do that here.

But this is against our whole culture and just another thing that doesn't fit in with us - we have a 1 wife policy!







Harmony between races doesn't exist once the numbers are enough as anyone with a pea for a brain knows - they place the race card given to them by the lefties and against the white races without whom most would still be running around naked in the jungle including the aborigines who hadn't even gotten as far as the stone age when the British arrived to settle this country. Yes a few signs of stone age starting and stone huts were found and the left now teaches the kids that these were aboriginal when in fact they were more likely the work of the fisherman and traders coming down from the North and who have a history of using the land we call home as a fishing/trading place.



Blainey is not popular as he hated the re writing of our history which if being taught to kids to make them suffer white guilt as oppressors of the black races etc when Capt Phillips went out of his way to stop the killing of aborigines and gave the standard soft rules of engagement set today in peacekeeping operations - you can only shoot to defend your own life - meaning they didn't get slaughtered. That they were infected with the common cold and measles well these were surely being brought down by those same visiting fishermen and others who visited before British settlement - French Dutch Spanish etc also eyeing the place as the Europeans did back then for colonisation.



No one back in 1788 was into biological warfare as unknown!!!

WOW BigVal!!! If you have got something to say, why don't you come out with it. Don't keep beating around the bush!!! Why can't you just let me have my opinions without making me do all that research work (just to prove that you are right, in principle )

I still don't think there is a lot of divergence in our beliefs. I couldn't stand Bob Carr either. His novels were very well read, after he established the new school history texts in NSW

Innes - you live in a racist country - Sol said so and now so do the Indians - sub continent ones not USA!



On breakfast today some idiot said we are very tolerant and just love multi cult - like heck - guess he is a raving leftie - well it is the ABC and they admit to bias to the left.



People has been cowed into being tolerant - if not get demonized and called a racist - so now labelled a racist country - can all say ok fine I am a racist and prefer not to have to pander to the likes of those who don't eat bacon and demand it be taken off the menu or get violent if they cant get their own way or others who just play the race card.



What do you think?

It is no wonder you want to pick on me all the time. You listen to breakfast on the ABC then when you are all riled up, you take it out on me!! At the end of the day, Sol must be more right than you. He came here as a casual worker, for 4 years & got paid $30 Million to go home. You got paid somewhere around $12,500 in the last year & you are still here. Now, if someone really wants to get me going, they only have to tell me that Sol has just received a cheque at his mexican address for $900.

Apart from that little note, I agree wholeheartedly with you. (God, this is becoming a habit!!!)

PS Surely you jest with me. They don't really have Sharia Courts in W.A., do they? If this is so, why can't we gather some of these little darling innocent children, of middle eastern appearance off our streets & send them over there for trial. There are some things about the Muslim justice system that I think work.

Watch it Innes not listen - digital television ABC2 and we only get ABC and one SBS Stn as others haven't had a repeater or some such on our area. Rural supposed to have been last year then Jan now June - and on it goes.

Wasn't going to bother but saw this TV for $900 in January for a Sony HD Bravia 37" - had seen these for heaps more like $3500. Thought new stock will go up maybe.



AFAIK sol didn't pay any income tax that was the arrangement for Americans for first 3 or 4 years.WA Sharia court are to deal with family matters - 4 wives and all that - mind you since the men only have to say I divorce you 3 times have to wonder why they need it.

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