TONY ABBOTT 'WAR MONGER'

Tony Abbott pushed for US request to join Syria air strikes

Date
August 26, 2015 - 8:23AM
 

EXCLUSIVE

Australian leaders weigh in on Syria

Tony Abbott confirms Australia has been asked to join US air strikes in Syria while former Labor Foreign Minister Bob Carr argues Australia has a 'moral obligation' to become involved.

The Abbott government pushed for Washington to request that Australia expand its air strikes against the Islamic State terror group from Iraq to its more dangerous neighbour Syria, Fairfax Media has learnt.

Tony Abbott confirmed on Tuesday that "some weeks ago" US President Barack Obama had asked him to consider expanding RAAF strikes to Syria.

Australia carries out regular air strikes in Iraq.

Australia carries out regular air strikes in Iraq.

But senior government sources have told Fairfax Media that the driving force for the formal request received last week from the United States for the RAAF to join the air campaign in Syria came more from Canberra – and in particular the Prime Minister's office – than from Washington.

Visiting remote Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory, Mr Abbott said the government was still considering the request but expected to make a decision within the next week.

"I had a request from President Obama some weeks ago to consider strikes into Syria," Mr Abbott said. "After that, I asked our military officials to talk to the Pentagon and in the wake of those conversations, a formal request for Australian involvement in air strikes in Syria has come. We'll consider this and we'll make a decision in the next week or so."

Prime Minister Tony Abbott's renewed focus on the war on terror will do no harm in the Canning byelection.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott's renewed focus on the war on terror will do no harm in the Canning byelection. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Abbott and Mr Obama are understood to have discussed the possibility of Australian air strikes in Syria during a telephone call in July initiated by Mr Abbott who had rung his American counterpart to offer sympathies over the Chattanooga shootings.

Government sources say it was Mr Obama who raised Syria as a topic and then made the first suggestion of Australia's expanded role.

But it is widely known in government circles that Mr Abbott has long been keen to do more in the fight against the Islamic State, which has taken swaths of territory stretching across Syria and Iraq and established affiliates in Libya, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Fairfax Media asked Defence Minister Kevin Andrews who initiated the discussion about possible Australian air strikes in Syria and whether the US request came without Canberra's prompting.

A spokesman for Mr Andrews said: "As the PM has said today, this was first raised with him by the President of the United States.

"Now that the US Secretary of Defence has asked Australia to consider extending its current counter-Daesh air operations into Syria, the government will consider this request in the normal way, and in close consultation with our coalition partners."

Syria is far more complex than Iraq because there is a full-blown civil war being waged and any diminution of Islamic State's power will benefit the dictator Bashar al-Assad, whose rule the West opposes. Meanwhile, Russia, Turkey and Iran are all pursuing their own interests regarding Syria.

The US, Canada and several Arab countries are already carrying out air strikes against the Islamic State in Syria.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor had received an "initial briefing" from the government on Monday but stressed "we're not going to rush into this".

The Chief of Joint Operations for the Australian Defence Force, David Johnston, last week said any Australian involvement would "not be a game changer" in Syria. Australia is currently carrying out regular strikes in Iraq.

Peter Leahy, the former chief of army and now head of Canberra University's National Security Institute, said he had "no objection" to expanding strikes to Syria but said the coalition needed a better plan for Syria and the whole region to defeat extremism.

"We are following the US, which has no clear conception of what victory looks like," he said.

Peter Jennings, executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, agreed a better overall plan was needed but said extending air strikes into Syria was justified.

"The argument for it is that we'll never defeat IS unless we're able to target their leadership and that means being prepared to engage in more aggressive air strikes against is targets in al-Raqqa," he said.

He said this meant a higher risk to Australian personnel, as the case of the downed Jordanian pilot who was burnt to death in a cage by Islamic State showed in February.

Former top defence bureaucrat Allan Behm said Australia's expanded role into Syria would probably have little impact.

Mr Behm said the US-led air-only campaign was "a sideshow" because at best it could achieve a temporary gain, taking up time before it was realised that the only lasting solution in the war-torn region would be some form of negotiated settlement.

Former Australian Army general John Cantwell, who led Australia's forces in Afghanistan, said it was puzzling why the expansion had been sought, because there were few "viable" military targets.

"More flexibility is good in a general sense, [but] mission focus carries greater weight," he said.

 

Australia's mission creep

June 2014 Tony Abbott warns that a "terrorist state" could emerge if Islamic State consolidates its recent lightning gains in Iraq from its home base in neighbouring Syria.

August RAAF planes begin air drops of food, water and supplies to minority Yazidis stranded on Mount Sinjar in northern Iraq. Abbott flags possible further involvement.

Early September RAAF planes begin delivering weapons and munitions to Iraqi Kurds. Abbott reveals US has made a "general request" for more military help from Australia.

Mid-September Abbott announces about 600 ADF personnel will be stationed in the Middle East to carry out air strikes and advise the Iraqis on the ground.

Early October First aerial support missions over Iraq. Four days later, bombing runs begin.

November The government begins weighing up sending several hundred additional troops to train Iraqis.

March 2015 Abbott confirms Australia will send 300 troops for training. The first of these are deployed about six weeks later.

June Abbott strongly hints he is looking at ways to contribute further in the fight against Islamic State.

August Abbott confirms Australia has discussed with allies expanding RAAF strikes into Syria and, a week later, confirms a formal request has come from the US.

10 comments

Sounds to me like he is another Howard -- wanting to send our blokes into war, and that was a BIG MISTAKE !


I bet if it was himself or his family that had to go he wouldn't be so keen !

Brilliant article PlanB!

Abbott thinks it will boost his rating/polls with Australians.... what a complete buffoon.  

We are not Americans, we are not that easily convince that we are entitled to MURDER Syrian civilians with immunity, especially when it is ILLEGAL to do so AND the Syrians have done NOTHING to harm or interfere in Australia.

Mr Abbott has stated that ISIS is coming to get us all.

Up to date they have not been sighted in my street so I have to presume they will arrive tomorrow or the next day. After all the Prime Minister of Australia surely would not lie to us. Would he ???

I have not heard yet that Mr Assad is planning to attack Australia so am at a complete loss as to why we are going to war with Syria.... Is this some crazy game ?

Has Mr DH Abbott got approval or even discussed this with the United Nations ?  I believe not.

Is war something that our PM thinks will get him votes at the next election ? I for one do not believe that we should be involved in a war that has absolutely nothing to do with us. A war against people who have been fighting among themselves without our help for many years.

Going to war does not make us safer. It has entirely the opposite effect of creating new enemies. Surely our politicians should have learnt by the mistake of going to war in Iraq under the pretence of weapons of mass destruction.

But it seems not.

This is not security as the PM likes to mention but is putting this peaceful nation in danger.

Gerry you are so right Abbott wants to try and scare the hell out of everyone so as he can have even more control.

Like you say these people have been fighting forever and we should

KEEP THE HELL OUT!

Having watched  "THE WAR YOU DON'T SEE"  (John Piliger)  I had know of what went on but everyone should wach that, it shows just what a lot of BS we have been told from day ONE about wars and how they make a heap of money at the expense of innocent people.  it can be ordered at the Libary.

Agree Plan B, will open the eyes of many. The list of people who make billions from war is endless and Adnan  Khashoggi tops the list.

The piece of rubbish that caused the seige recently should NEVER have been allowed to enter Australia.

Every other refugee was vetted thoroughly but this mongrel was from Iran and Iran even stated that he was not a refugee but was wanted on criminal charges and that he was a danger.  This was ignored because of the USA/Iran cold war and the USA Amnesty International group told Australia he was okay.... total policital bulldust.  From the minute he stepped foot in Australia he was committing crimes and was a STRONG suspect in the murder of his wife, for goodness sake.

What the hell use is OUR secret service or security services when they are that useless that they just do what they are told by the USA and a Charity Organisation.

If my child, sister/brother, had been killed by this madman, I would be sueing the Federal Government for negligence and downright malfeasance.

AND NOW this psuedo PM is bouncing around and all keen to go in and MURDER some Syrian civilians whilst backing ISIS and other USA funded groups (not culling them).  

Abbott is a total inane, moron who things this will make him look tough and that the Australian people will love him for it.  Unfortunately, for him, most Australians have a brain and know that what Australia will be doing is committing murder against civilians ILLEGALLY!!!!

Unfortunately both the Labor and Liberals are supporting this move and unbelievably from the polls I've seen so does three quarter of the population.

Most of the population beleives what they are told and beleive what the likes of Abbott the idiot tells them -- I wish peole would not act like Sheeple and wake the FLOCK UP

One must wonder if it is what Abbott tells them

or what the media tells them ???

We can see examples of this on this Forum where there are rheems and rheems of Media Copy and Paste forwarded by members for a response ?

There s plenty out there -- these days --to check on if people would bother and not just believe everything the media or the powers that be say OR DON"T say

Thanks for putting this topic up PlanB. I was thinking of doing the same.

I am interested in other's opinions as to whether they follow their party line or think for themselves independantly of the politics.

Thanks Gerry,  I have also just ordered the film by John Piliger too 

 

"The war you don't see"

You can also it says watch it on line -- have a look in the left hand area where it says

http://johnpilger.com/dvds

Gerry, like you I follow my own instincts, having said that, I did vote for the Abbott govt last time.I doubt whether I will next time. 

Our planes will have little value in Syria and its all about politics. In fact the air assaults by the USA have not diminished the area controlled by Daesh much at all so our small contribution will naturally be even less effective.

Whats the odds on a surprise visit to the ADF in Iraq sometine in the future, flak jacket or whatever to enhance the photo op ?

Yes bet your life Abbott will have to be seen to be a bit butch -- but bet she would $%^t himself if it was he that had to go and put HIS life on the line, they make me SICK!

That reminds me of the amusing vid of Howard being hastily escorted from a plane with helmut and jacket some years ago. Obviously the cameraman had priority to get off first so he could film the PM escaping the dangerous situation. Laugh or cry ?

I have no idea whether bombing will help as I am no expert and  will leave it to those who know more  than I do about the situation over there.  We have defence people who will advise the best course of action.

I would not like to see any of our troops outside the wire.   As trainers OK, but in active combat, NO.

All you need to know is that Australia:

-will be acting ILLEGALLY;

-has NO United Nations approval;

-will be going overseas to bomb where Syrian civilians (families and children) are living;

-has not asked or been given authority by SYRIA to enter its country or to drop bombs on its people; and

-Syria has NOT committed ANY offence, act or aggression AGAINST Australia or Australia sovereignty.

So against our country getting involved in this... it is wrong wrong wrong!.. Cant wait for the next elections grrrrrrr!

Illustration: Alan Moir

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A good find Geoff :)

All WE need to know is that Australia:

-will be acting ILLEGALLY; 

-has NO United Nations approval;

-will be going overseas to bomb where Syrian civilians (families and children) are living;

-has not asked or been given authority by SYRIA to enter its country or to drop bombs on its people; and

-Syria has NOT committed ANY offence, act or aggression AGAINST Australia or Australia sovereignty.

 

The word MURDER comes to mind..... for me anyway.

Mussi :)

You seem to have stuttered your previous post

But agree should NOT be fighting a war in Syria or any of the Middle Eastern countries ... they have enough wealth and young lives to sacrifice within them.

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