Human rights hypocrite

HUMAN Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs is the last person to lecture anyone on the human rights of children. But that’s exactly what her commission’s politically inspired report into children in immigration detention attempts to do.

 

Last August Triggs, a darling of hypocritical Labor luvvies, was the subject of a fawning profile by Sydney Morning Herald feature writer Tim Elliott.

“The first thing you notice about Triggs, aside from her pale honey coloured hair and pearl earrings, are her manners, which are mesmerising and create a force field of niceness, a form of very agreeable mind control. After half an hour with Triggs, it’s possible to imagine doing virtually anything for her, which is another way of saying she is a natural born leader.”

According to a footnote, the SMH article was in fact recycled from material which appeared in Sydney Magazine a year earlier in April 2013.

What makes it so pertinent today is Triggs’ description of her own treatment of one of her children, daughter Victoria, who was born in 1984 with a profound chromosomal disorder known as Edwards syndrome.

“Her condition usually results in the death of the baby before or shortly after birth. In fact, the doctors kept saying, ‘Just leave her in the corner and she’ll die.’ So, it sounds terrible, but I’d look at Victoria and think, ‘Well, you’re going to die, so I’m not going to invest too much in you.’ But she didn’t die. She had this inner rod of determination, and she simply refused to die.”

When Victoria was about six months of age, Triggs and her then partner took her home from hospital and with the assistance of the Uniting Church, found a family who took over her primary care until her death at the age of 21.

Gillian Triggs at an inquiry in Parliament House last year.

Triggs said the arrangement bothered her but rationalised it thus: “Yes, because you have a child and you expect to look after her. But in the end I simply made the judgment that I would rather put my time into my other children and family, because I also never believed she would live to that age.”

Had an appointee of a conservative government made such a statement, he or she would unquestionably have been hounded relentlessly by the ABC and the Fairfax press.

Not so Triggs.

Indeed, since her appointment in 2012 and the subsequent change of government, she has been one of the leading spear carriers in the partisan war against the Coalition Government ­descending to levels unplumbed by Labor’s gutter-crawling parliamentary smear merchants.

Triggs’ commission failed to take any action on children in immigration detention when the numbers peaked after Labor dismantled the Howard government’s lifesaving border protection policies.

When Labor came to ­office in 2007, there were four people in immigration ­detention, and no children.

During Labor’s six chaotic years of government, 50,000 people arrived on 800 boats and stretched the capacity of the intelligence and security agencies, even as Labor stripped them of more than $700 million, ­effectively hamstringing their operational capacity.

In Labor’s last year in office, 302 boats arrived — though Triggs was apparently unaware of this.

There were almost 1400 children in detention then. Today there are fewer than 200, or close to 90 per cent improvement.

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" ... volunteering in Australia ...

economic contribution to Australian society outstrips revenue sources from mining, agriculture and the retail sector ...

declaring the true extent of its monetary value to be more than $200 billion a year."

Where would the government, of any party, come up with $200 BILLION ANNUALLY?

Hardly short term as you state.

Yes, I can see where the government should step in, but neither party did when the opportunity arose.

Re neocon fascist policies (corporate wish lists) whatever these are ... historically, haven't both parties bowed to these.

Thank you, Denzel.

Yes, I feel rather chuffed.. :-)

Twila

To acknowledge where this quote came from..... "University of Adelaide study".

Here is some more of their statements:

"Volunteers get a lot of satisfaction from helping others, enhancing the quality of their life and their health. The benefits to the recipients are obvious and there are also positive spin-offs for governments and workplaces."

“The value of volunteering is difficult to measure. Volunteers gain a broad range of new skills that are transferable to their workplace, for example. They are healthier, fitter, more mentally alert and more socially connected than people who do not volunteer. These benefits may even act as a pathway to employment,” Dr O'Dwyer says.

 

The statement about recipients is somewhat SPARSE "the benefits to the recipients are obvious"..... obviously not, and obviously not as important as that gained by the volunteers.  Not forgetting "positive spin-offs for governments and workplaces" probably detrimental to recipients because the spin-off may include LESS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES to the recipient because volunteers are used, not to mention that voluntary work is ad hocly undertaken by many volunteers.  The workplace obviously refers to the 'pathway to employment' for volunteers.

Not to forget, of course, that many of the volunteer organisations are CORPORATE backed... hence, a lot of money is given but most of it is taken up with admin/rent/wages, etc.

Now valuation.... "One hour of a volunteer’s time needs to be valued not just once but up to 9 times – and at different rates - from the society, the employer, the organisation, the government program and the volunteer themsleves" wow, that says it all, don't you think.  Statistics can be used to produce anything you want, aye Twila.  Even grossly overrate the value of volunteer work.  

 

I DON'T SEE A LOT OF WHAT BENEFITS the RECIPIENT GETS FROM ALL THIS!... doesn't seem to be part of their objectives, does it!!!!!!!

Did they EVEN LOOK AT OUTCOMES????  No I don't think so.

Rather than ad hoc fluffy stuff... a well funded CO-ORDINATED long term ongoing assistance AND (both basic and innovative) programmes designed to allow those disadvantaged in society to RE-JOIN society AND that those most disadvantaged in society be surveyed to see what THEY want and HOW to make things better for them, not the volunteers.

Yes, volunteers do have a place AND they are necessary but the PRIMARY concern should be the recipient NOT the volunteer WITH the OUTCOMES being the measurement of VALUE to the RECIPIENT with SOLID comprehensive and expansive programmes AND POLICIES in place to allow the recipients to re-join society, with dignity.

Mussiate,

The recipient is the primary concern. Surely, no one comes to the point of volunteering without this goal in mind.

You state:

"... a well funded CO-ORDINATED long term ongoing assistance AND (both basic and innovative) programmes designed to allow those disadvantaged in society to RE-JOIN society AND that those most disadvantaged in society be surveyed to see what THEY want and HOW to make things better for them, not the volunteers..."

This is what many volunteer groups do, Mussitate.  

I have known unemployed people who have been in such financial straits that they couldn't pay for food, nor utilites.  In all the cases, they were given substantial money for food and payment of their utilities by a charity.   One person had to use this charity more than once.  The money and time all came from volunteers. The recipients were thankful and didn't feel "charity cases".

What about volunteers who step in where there is no government support at all ... from either party.  For example, qualified people who give their time freely to such organisations as STARS ... Survivors of Torture and Trauma.

The objectives of volunteers I know are certainly to assist the recipients and hopefully get tham back into society.

Isn't AA run by volunteers?

One area the government has been bl..dy useless, yet  again either party, is that of Street Kids. There are 55,000 street kids ... and swept under government carpets.  

Without education they cannot look forward to normal future  like marry and have children of their own.  First their hygiene goes, then their health and with it a shortened life expectancy.  Their situation is dire.

It is the body of people who work with these street kids, people who donate expertise, time and money, and passion, who are saving some of the children.  Many are retired professionals.

You don't seem to realise, Mussitate, that many volunteers are professionals ... doctors, lawyers, psychologists, etc.  They bring their expertise to a problem and are able to cut through the waffle.  

Unfortunately, governments, all governments, love waffle ... and wastage.  

In relation to my restated comment.... Ad hoc volunteer GROUPS certainly do NOT do this, as they do not have the funding to do all these things in a CO-ORDINATED manner.  

Private bodies are there to effectively 'feed' themselves and as can be seen from their comments in the study.... their PRIMARY concern is not with the recipients but the providers.

Yes, there are SOME professionals BUT they are not organised in such a manner, that they provide a fully comprehensive service.... just a little of this and a little of that.  All designed to provide for the 'volunteer' and allow the government to FORGET about their responsibility to provide fully comprehensive, co-ordinated, and full services and benefits to those disadvantaged recipients and to continue to provide innovative programmes based upon feed back from the recipient.

Again, the MAIN FOCUS of these private institutions is NOT the recipient it is their organisation and the volunteers.  

Providing meals and contact, etc is a good contribution by volunteers and their organisations, but that is hardly sufficient to remove these people from the disadvantaged list and help them re-join society.... far, far from it.

ONLY governments can provide comprehensive and co-ordinated innovative and basic programmes based on well conducted surveys (eg.Bureau of Stats.) of the needs and requirements of disadvantaged people.  Example: my friend in Perth has just been interviewed by the Bureau about disabilities and their requirements... very comprehensive and broad survey/study.

Private corporate supported institutions are expert at FAÇADES, they don't cut through the waffle.... they PROVIDE it.... their main concern is their corporate donors and their continued existence, then the providers of the services and finally the recipients!!

Mussitate,

Thank you for the information re:  ...  iPhone you can ask Siri to listen to MUSIC ...

I am sure everyone appreciates this .... :-)

In all of this, the rights of child have not been addressed.

If she could have spoken, I wonder what Victoria would have preferred. To be in her own home among her siblings and with her mother, or to be separated from them, with someone paid to care for her.

Twils she was so severely handicapped she would have needed more than one person to care for her, and that was arranged.

this whole article is a beat up to deflect attention from the Human Rights outrages being permitted by the Government on The detention Islands, doesn't matter which Government Party  is in power it is being done in the name of Australian people.

Noticeably Victorian Drs are refusing to discharge children back into the Detention Centres - hopefully Turnbull will be man enough to act appropriately and get the children out.

Spot on Vivity.

Twila

It seems a never ending journey, to smear and cast aspersions upon someone the Liberal Party want to get rid of because she stood her ground and didn't buckle to political pressure... 

* firstly, attack the women personally by revealing and vilifying a personal decision that she made some 30 years ago

* secondly, attack her ability to do her job and cast aspersions on her professionality by looking at cases that had negative social aspects attached that the woman had no control or jurisdiction over - very emotive BUT actually proved that she put her job BEFORE personal opinion.

* lastly, attack her personally by looking at the 'supposed' 'invented' 'purported' 'believed' effect on the child of that decision made some 30 years ago, in order to personally vilify this woman...sigh...yet, again.

To answer the final vilifying point: The child had no idea what she was missing, as she was not aware of anything other than love and care from her carers (note the plural) who were obviously dedicated and that once again PAID employees do NOT love the children of their employers, especially one that would require so much work and care.  Oh! and please do not consider the effect of this constant heartache, time, care and exhausting work that would be taken away from the family, particularly the other children.... just keep harping on about how PAID employees would solve all problems because it is utter rubbish.

I do believe that all angles have been covered now, unless you can come up with another ATTACK of course....  Look back further than 30 years maybe and see if she had sex before she was 16 maybe, that may be a good one... people like dirt with sex in it!!

vivity

I agree with Gerry... excellent comment (as usual).

Mussiate,

You state "PRIMARY concern is not with the recipients but the providers."  Not so.  

Everywhere you look, Mussitate, there are volunteer organisations, quietly and efficiently going about their business.  The country fire service is volunteer, they even have to pay for their clothes and boots.  Ambulance services ... and the list goes on ... from the lady bringing cups of tea to cancer patients waiting for treatment to volunteers working in hospital eateries and kitchens.  Their application is not capricious, but a commitment.  Undoubtedly there would be times when they would prefer to be elsewhere.

There is no way governments are going to become involved.  The US have a history of philanthopy which assists these groups a great deal.  Australia does not have the same sort of philosophy.

I think the big plus for volunteer organisations is that the government doesn't get involved.  The costs would be exhorbitant and the benefits comparably negligible.

Look at the situation regarding abused children.  How many slip through the system ... even die due to inept government handling? 

How many people have had a less than efficient experience with government departments?

My son was with a governmental body assisting refugees settle here; he resigned for another job, but worked with a volunteer organisation.  In the government dept, the office hours were 9-5.  As a volunteer my son is availalble 24/7.  He is also able to cut corners, for instance, letting a family stay in his appartment rent free ... He also found a position suitable for the skills of one refugee, who had been here four years without getting close to such a position. I imagine other volunteers do similarly.  

He also teaches English to them ... another volunteer posiition.  As he was an academic, these people are getting a first rate education.

Volunteers can use their skill base and initiative without having some governmental flunky interfere.

Personally, I believe that the government interferes too much in our lives.  

With their rule books, obeiance to seniority, unimaginative flunkeys, reams of paper work, actual independent initiative is not welcome.  Government departments are proudly devoid of this.

We are too much controlled by government.  

What we should have is a meritocracy.  The best and most experienced people heading the relevant departments.  Top scientists, educators, hospital administrators/doctors ... etc.

Instead we get inexperienced second rate people/politions who by their nature are willing to compromise ...and to accomodate vested interests ...  to maintain their positions.  

There are government hospitals where the cheapest tender was accepted, the construction and design appalling, not efficient for running a hospital. They have to be rebuilt ... at more cost.  This should never ever happen.

Twila

WHY do you continually keep going to some other comment with your reply to me from my or our discussions from another completely different comment... is it so no one can tie up the fact that you are merely repeating yourself and so that they do not see my comment???  innes is starting to do this as well.

My god, do you constantly think about these types of manoeuvres?

You count the Fire Stations and Ambulances... these are quasi government bodies and are funded by the government and have specific and strict legislation and regulations controlling them.... not strictly volunteers as they are mostly paid, particulary in the urban/city areas unless there is a fire and then volunteers bolster their numbers (especially in the country areas) but they are govt controlled.  When there is a fire, it is more of COMMUNITY input... everyone gives a hand.

Re the US histroy of philanthopy which assists these groups a great deal.... I SIMPLY CANNOT BELIEVE YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW VOLUNTEERING WORKS.

The disadvantaged in the USA live in poverty and slums and get very little assistance or help from anyone, unless you call soup kitchens the sort of thing we need here to accommodate the hundreds of thousands in need, due to their CORPORATOCRACY system - govt. and democratic processes controlled by corporations.  

The numbers of unemployed alone DOUBLE AUSTRALIA'S whole population.

IN the USA:

*ambulances will drive right past even if someone is in the gutter dying because they don't have insurance to pay for their services

*fire services stood by outside a burning house and watched it burn because the owner did not pay his fire insurance

Yeah.... that's the sort of thing we need in Australia

Mussitate,

Apologies, I was unware of my maneovering which effects the placement of your comments.  I am not very computer literate ... so

I was talking about philanthropy.  You diverted it elsewhere.

I am sure if you look at the figure donated by philanthropists and where it goes you will see what I am trying to say.

I agree that the situaion in the states is deplorable.  None can contest that.

Mussiate,  I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one ...( volunteering) :-)

Pax

Twila

Philanthropy... is a concept that obviously is some sort of wealthy elite joke, on the people of course.  These parasites on society have that much money it is ostentatious and vulgar and to show how wonderful they are they 'give' to charity or do a little 'charity show'.  All good publicity.  Even Bill Gates did a big show once about his 'giving' in India.. only to find that there was a backdoor deal going on.

Again, it is deplorable that people are given little hand outs by sickenly wealthy people who have STOLEN the money and the lives from these same people in the first place.  IF, they simply paid their fair amount of tax, these poor and disadvantaged people wouldn't NEED to denegrate themselves to have to accept 'handouts' by these parasites on society who take all they can and give nothing back.

NOTHING about this 'airy fairy' concept of philanthropy by the wealthy is anything but vulgar.... there should be a better system in place that ensures that 'hand outs' are NOT necessary anymore!

and NO I did not divert it.... it is what it is and was explained... your problem is that you are bogged down with the flamboyant concept of the term and not the reality of it!

As Fairfax Media reported this month, the federal government called in the Australian Federal Police to investigate information leaks from the Nauru detention camp six times in as many months, prompting claims it is pursuing whistleblowers instead of those who allegedly assaulted and raped asylum seekers.

While Immigration Minister Peter Dutton insists that crimes allegedly committed in the Nauru centre should be dealt with by the island's local police, his department routinely asks Australia's top law enforcement body to probe who is disclosing information from inside the camp.

Leaks about alarming incidents at the Australian-funded facility add fuel to domestic and international claims the government has abandoned its human rights obligations by allowing asylum seekers to live in dangerous, inhumane conditions.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/office-of-save-the-children-charity-workers-raided-by-police-on-nauru-20151013-gk7yei.html#ixzz3oQRg4wMD
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Well, well, well, how things come to light. Did anyone know that Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson was allegedly promised Gillian Triggs’ job as President of the Human Rights Commission. Apparently, he was promised the presidency several years ago as an inducement to relinquish his job as Director of the Institute of Public Affairs. Also George Brandis affirmed (allegedly) this, acting on direct instruction from Tony Abbott. Hmmm…was this all a smear campaign to shove Triggs off the cart? Bringing her disabled child into the picture?? Read it here:

Interesting to know Tim Wilson has often been described as a conservative think tank!

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tim-wilson-already-promised-gillian-triggs-job,7416

No - stop spreading rumours

 

If you've got nothing intelligent to say Denzel, stop showing yourself up and go do some gardening or something eh?

No that wasnt a very intelligent comment Ray - from you :)

Totally correct Ray/Mitcha a true human rights person who believes in the dignity of the individual . 

Not a socialist who believes in Stateism . 

Pate/Denzel, you've got it wrong again!

Ray,

"Did anyone know that Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson was ALLEGEDLY promised Gillian Triggs’ job as President of the Human Rights Commission.

...

Also George Brandis affirmed (ALLEGEDLY) this, acting on direct instruction from Tony Abbott. "

This article is not fact.  

Twila

Allegedly, merely means that it can not be proven in a court of law BUT doesn't mean it is NOT true based and can stand upon general facts, rather than evidentiary facts.

Thank you Mussi for explaining to the unenlightened what "allegedly" means. To add - anyone who believes ANY news reporter's article is FACT is right out of gnomesville.

Is the rubbish thrown at GT fact? NO (we were not there) nor was the reporter.

Did Tony Abbott pick his nose while in Parliament FACT? Only the man who sat next to him knew that or maybe if the camera caught it, but then he might have just been scratching his nose!!!!

Ray

Thought you might find these quotes interesting

“The main facts in human life are five: birth, food, sleep, love and death.” 
E.M. Forster  and

There are no facts, only interpretations.

Friedrich Nietzsche

Do you dickheads believe everything you see printed?

LOL, now that is refreshing - caused me to chuckle anyway  :)

Campbell, it seems that some do, good comment. Some get all their  FACTS from the newspaper and Pickering Post. Ah well!

Quite like Gillian Triggs, and whilst completely appreciating the challenges and stress families dealing with the day to day reality of raising a severely disabled child experience, to be honest was a bit surprised to read of Gillian Triggs handling of this scenario in relation to her own daughter.....

I say this not to judge the woman as some sort of cold hearted neglectful monster, but because I had always regarded Gillian Triggs as a progressive, and an advocate for the disempowered and marginalised, and kind of imagined she would have used her own lived experience, education, and profile to lobby for a better deal in the way of resources, supports, governmental assistance, education, health, research etc. for the severely disabled and their families, carers etc.

Likewise can well imagine this sort of thing happening in say the 1950s but by the time Trigg's daughter was born in the 1980s,  basically thought we had moved beyond keeping severely disabled children out of sight, and that we were moving into a more enlightened time of mainstreaming, encouraging such children to reach their own personal potential with the aim of improving quality of life in whatever form or length of time that may take....For instance take a condition such as 'Downs Sydnrome' and  although admittedly challenging at times, many Downs Syndrome children with the right education and life supports, often go on to contribute and live well rounded lives in the mainstream...

We've still got a long way to go in relation to our care of the disabled and their families - NDIS needs to happen -  but in recent times we've learnt a lot more in relation to education, health, and care generally.....And strewth any one of us at any time, either through accident i.e. a head injury or physical illness i.e. a severe stroke or mental illness i.e. schizophrenia can be wrought disabled through no fault of our own and require significant care....

But well realise the shabby politics behind this story, but have always seen Triggs as an advocate and was surprised this wasn't apparent in relation to her own daughter.....

Finally in relation to assigning the 'primary care of children' to others with or without a disability, believe the royals, aristocracy etc. have handed over such responsibilites for centuries i.e.wet nurses,  nannies, boarding schools etc. But evidenced even amongst the middle class,  and believe in Jane Austen's time shortly after her birth believe she was handed over to a working class woman in some nearby village to be returned when she was past the messy 'baby' stage and sort of civilised....(Ref:  Some book on Jane Austen's life, sorry can't remember the title, but probably could track it down if need be)

Shetso1

Maybe this heartbreaking experience is the very reason she became an advocate of human rights.

Life changing decisions remain with you and their affects can make you a better person.

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