A follow up on what should be done to Terrorists:

Bigval. You are so right what we really need is a good world wide right wings government. Who else could deal with these terrorist, and make democrats out of tribal people. Not wishing to side track here but I do feel that Mr. Bush should definitely get a Doctorate in Anthropology, and Sociology for his achievements in democratizing the Iraqis, the trouble is that the majority of the world society are tribal’s, including some westerners in Europe, alas Mr. Bush did not have enough time to fix that Tribal problem from around the world..
Any way to go back to the problem we were discussing earlier of right wing, what your husband said is very deep indeed, another word we mess up and natures fixes it, I mean is that deep or what? God does work in mysterious ways.
here what I suggest.
As KFChugo said in his posting we the west must re discover our Christianity, and convert the world into the true faith of Christianity into Catholicism, the reason I say Catholicism is due to the fact Catholics are expert in matter of Inquisition, and the Holy Pope whom himself has been chosen by God and his Son Jesus Christ to represent them in this earth is an extreme right winger, so I urge all to become right wingers, and get rid of all the world Government, and only allow the Aristocracy who have governs for many years by the grace of God, and let us have the head of state of the whole world his holiness the Pope, as he is a true right winger and is on earth as the chosen one,
I mean to say in the days of old when the western world was ruled by those Aristocrats by the grace of God and good Christians, there was no Muslims terrorist, in fact there was no terrorism at all, although Islam was frown upon, and El Cid of Spain got rid of them by sending them back to North Africa.
Yes dear readers let us all join together and bring back the right wing, and let us once and for all get rid ourselves of those who worship those false Gods, and of those socialists demons with their so called political correctness, it is they the left wingers who are the guilty ones of bringing universal Medical care, and pension to the old, who never had to save a penny for their pension, now at least they contribute to what we now call superannuation, or( old age pension), and another thing imagine the workers going on holiday and wanting to get pay for it, I ask you is that ridiculous or what, any wonder why we are going broke having to give money to all these bludgers, and to add insult to the injury the Government wants to hand out an extra 30 Dollars a week, and not to mentioned maternity leave, Paternity leave, and all these "something for nothing attitude". I say enough is enough God we need the right winger of the world to join force again.

In order to bring this reality. What we need is right wing and faith, I mean true faith. If God has ever made something mysterious it is called faith. I ask you what is faith, it is almost inexplicable, it is Irrational, and yet it is so rewarding, I mean without faith we would not have had, the Kamikaze, the Muslim's suicide bombers, aand not to mention the inquisition all these people past and present without true faith.

May God Help us all in our faith and keep us in the right path.

Charles 2.”Right winger by the grace of God”.

Ps. I know in my suffering to bring out the truth, many people chose to call me names, however,
Before any one call me any name, such as B… I can assure I had lovely parents who were married for 52 years, and never strayed from each other. I also had lovely childhood, I do remember the school I went to, and the University I graduate from, unfortunately neither the school nor the Uni. Were Catholics.

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There are many that help others in and around the world not just the RC --but with the riches of the Vatican--they would be able to help many others-- and as far as the Paedophiles go--they are not following the Bible or Christ--they are nothing but Hypocrites

To get back on thread, we can never beat the terrorists. WHY? In almost contests, we have a set of rules, governing both sides. When we try to fight terrorists, we have rules & they don't. They happily apply torture, we are horrified at the thought, let alone the practice. RESULT:- they win!!! There is a way to beat them, but we are too lilly livered.

Whenever there is a terror attack, you locate & arrest the whole family, of the suicide bomber. You strip all females down to the waist & all males up to the waist & put them all on public display with a sign advising the relationship to the suicide bomber. Then they are force fed PIG 3 times a day. This means that none of the family & relatives can ever go to Allah, nor can the suicide bomber, responsible. If the world did this, Muslim terrorist attacks would finish in 48 hour!!

I don't know why I am taking the time to write this because it will never happen ERGO:- WE LOSE!!!!!

They use to have a horrifying policy in Germany. If a criminal took a hostage, the Police shot the hostage, then the criminal. Guess what? No hostages taken in Germany. If a plane was hijacked & landed on German soil, the hijackers were given 30 minutes to release all passengers & give themselves up. If not, the plane & all aboard was blown up. Guess what? No hijacks in Germany.

If you want to get into a fight & win, read the rules before you put on the gloves.

So Innes, having capitulated to the "inevitable", I assume that you will be studying the Koran and having Mrs I fitted for her bhurka?. While I agree that desperate times call for desperate measures, your suggestions would merely turn us all into terrorists. If someone steals from you, is it in order to steal from them also?

I dont pretend that the fight against terrorism will be easy, but the "rule of law" must prevail and the guilty must be identified, apprehended, tried (fairly) and when guilt is proven, punishment must be quick and terrible. We cant punish the family of terrorists, even though it might prove to be a truly effective deterrent - we would be waging war against "innocents" and isnt that what we are fighting against?

even though it might prove to be a truly effective deterrent - we would be waging war against “innocents” and isnt that what we are fighting against



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Yes my thoughts as well

Kfchugo, a lovely rhetorical put down. If you were young enough to look at your family tree in 50 years time, you would see your 20 year old granddaughter turn 70, with a husband & 1 3/4 children & 3 1/16 grandchildren, making a total of just under 7 Christian Australians. If you also look at the progeny of Mr & Mrs Muslim, you will be looking at 6 children & 36 grandchildren, making a total of 50. Talking about my wife, who is over 60 does not assist your argument. She is way past worrying about female circumcision. Backing up your argument with personal insults, does nothing to win your fight. The fact is, whether you like it, or not, if you get into the ring with Mike Tyson & you refuse to hit him because you are a good Christian pacifist, you will get your stupid head smashed in. You rave on about waging war against innocents. How many of the 7/11 victims were soldiers? This Country is full of the descendants of people who stole a loaf of bread, in order to not starve, & you talk of rule of law. If 50 Muslims vote for Sharia Law & your family of 7 vote vote for Westminster, guess what? Your grand daughter gets circumcised. I have never been a really keen reader of the Bible (I am a reformed Catholic) but I seem to remember some little comment about an eye for an eye. But you wouldn't want to take into account anything said by Christ, would you?

PS You said "but the “rule of law” must prevail and the guilty must be identified, apprehended, tried (fairly) and when guilt is proven, punishment must be quick and terrible."

Which pieces of the blown up terrorist, did you have in mind? I am sure your punishment would scare him to death!!! WHOOPS; he is already dead.

I have never been a really keen reader of the Bible (I am a reformed Catholic) but I seem to remember some little comment about an eye for an eye. But you wouldn't want to take into account anything said by Christ, would you?



That's it, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth*

Yes there are a lot of rules in the Bible but I think they (most) were rules for the people of that time--and there are also a lot that were written in parables--and not meant to be taken literally---such as God made the world and all in it in 7 days--his days must have been longer than ours. However there are a lot of things in it that are good rules--and have come to pass. There is also a lot in that I don't understand such as the cruelty etc.

I am constantly amazed at the number of people who wrongly quote the Bible as advocating "an eye for an eye....." That passage actually encourages us to forgive our enemies. The teaching of the bible in regard to treating your enemies says (depending on your version) "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord - I will repay". Often, "justice" is merely thinly veiled vengeance.

I am sorry that you mistook my "tongue in cheek" comments as a personal insult Innes - I could not really believe that your suggestions were seriously intended. Would you really strip and publicly humiliate a terrorists family ( children, grandparents etc) who probably had nothing to do with his crime? Do you seriously suggest that we should consider fighting this heinous crime by becoming terrorists ourselves? That is Israels policy - when they identify a Palestinian bomber, they bulldoze his house, making the whole family homeless. It has not done much for their international reputation, nor has it solved the problem.

As for punishing already deceased suicide bombers, I really had expected better from you Innes. They are only pawns of the recruiters/organisers/planners/sponsors of terrorism - THEY are the ones who must be caught and punished.

[size=3][/size][color=red][/color]There is only one thing to beat them NUKE THE BLOODY MIDDLE EAST!

I hope there is never another "nuke" anywhere

I am with you PlanB.

Killing other humans is nothing to feel good about.

With better diplomacy and goodwill from our politicians,

we can make this world a better place for everybody.

I never proposed that we do such awful things to the innocent muslim family. What I explained, is that if we don't fight under the same rules, or lack of, we lose. I could never have nuked Hiroshima, but that devastation saved millions of lives. However, just look at the situation from a world leader's point of view. If we want to sacrifice the family of 2 terrorists, (please note that I didn't suggest anything physical) we would be guilty of demeaning probably 10 innocent people religiously, & saving at least 10,000 innocent lives before the end of 2009. We, wrinklies, don't raise too many objections to the Australian children serving in Afghanistan under strict orders not to engage the enemy, just keep driving down the road until you are blown up. The Pope threatens Christians with excommunication, if they are divorced. What a terrible crime this is to a true believer!!! BUT, do you object? NEVER. Let us put it closer to home. If the Pope had just threatened to excommunicate the mother of an IRA terrorist, we would not have had an IRA & there would be thousands of innocent Irish people still living in houses, instead of cemeteries. I just hope that one of our leaders wakes up to himself, before we get Sharia law.. I couldn't personally do it.

Innes I know exactly where you are coming from--I just don't know what the answer is with all of this--or if there is one

The more upheaval, the more fear; the more fear, the more control.

Perhaps dominos are falling just as they are expected to.

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