Changes to Dole recipients - more jobs applicatons + community hours

Well how will this go down with the majority of Aussies?

Here is article as behind paywall.

Coalition defends employment overhaul as critics warn it’s out of touch

    The Australian
    July 28, 2014
Jared Owens Reporter Canberra
Patricia Karvelas Victoria Editor

THE Abbott government has been accused of “demonising” the unemployed by imposing tough new requirements on jobseekers, as it warned nobody should be left “languishing on welfare”.

The reforms, revealed in The Australian, will compel jobseekers to conduct 40 job searches a month and carry out up to 25 hours a week of community work to keep their dole payments.

Search and work to keep the dole

Jobseekers younger than 30 will be asked to do 25 hours’ work a week; those aged 30-49 will be asked to do 15 hours’ work a week; and people aged 50-60 will be asked to do 15 hours a week of an approved activity.

Labor frontbenchers today said work-for-the-dole could make the unemployment problem worse, while Greens leader Christine Milne accused the government of “demonising” jobseekers.

Assistant Employment Minister Luke Hartsuyker, formally announcing the plan this morning, said the government aimed “to motivate jobseekers to leave no stone unturned in the pursuit of a job”.

“It is absolutely obvious that if you’re sitting at home not looking for work, you’re unlikely to get a job,” Mr Hartsuyker said.

“It is in no one’s interest to have jobseekers languishing on welfare.”

Mr Hartsuyker said most of the announcements could be introduced without legislation, although some changes would need to be passed through parliament.

Opposition employment spokesman Brendan O’Connor warned diverting jobseekers into community service could hamper their search for employment.

“There’s no point giving someone’s who’s spent 30 years in the work force who has been retrenched work experience. They’ve got experience, they need a job,” Mr O’Connor told ABC Radio.

“It can be counterproductive if they are engaging in activities that are irrelevant and are in fact taking them away from searching for work.”

Opposition assistant treasury spokesman Andrew Leigh said “ideological” programs such as work-for-the-dole “sound good but don’t actually deliver”.

“When your only credible study is one commissioned by the Prime Minister that showed that the program made the problem worse, then you might want to put in place some rigorously trialled evaluations rather than simply plough on ahead where ideology demands.”

Senator Milne said the proposal was “completely out of touch” with reality, noting the contraction in unskilled jobs around the country.

“At the very time that we need to be making that shift (to invest more in education and training), you’ve got the Abbott government just wanting to be cruel and punish people. It is wrong.”

Senator Milne said in regions of high unemployment, such as northwest Tasmania, young people would be unable to find 40 jobs to apply for.

“And (Employment Minister) Eric Abetz is telling them ‘go to Melbourne and get a job’. Well where are they going to live when they get to Melbourne? Where is the money going to come from? Six months living on nothing (and) they don’t have friends or relatives who can keep them.”

Almost $900 million will be spent on extending the work-for-the-dole scheme over the three years from next July.

The new system will create a “regional loading” for job providers, in recognition that labour-market conditions vary across the country.

Today marks the start of a month-long public consultation.

Mutual obligation has been extended to include jobseekers aged 50-59, while the new system will pool funds available for a new wage subsidy available for long-term unemployed.

Payments to job agencies will be changed to place greater emphasis on delivering employment rather than administration and process.

There will be four-, 12- and 26-week “outcome payments” to job providers, with higher levels of payments for achieving longer-term job outcomes for jobseekers with more complex needs, a move expected to generate wide support. Funding will be targeted to unemployed people who need the most support to find and keep a job. New wage subsidies will encourage employers to hire, train and retain jobseekers.

Work for the dole will be mandatory for all jobseekers younger than 50 unless they are working part-time or, in limited cases, undertaking training for a specific job that is in demand in their local area.

New subsidies are planned for mature-age workers and jobseekers younger than 30, as well as the long-term unemployed.

There are also myriad changes to improve the system, including a new employment-services contract that will be for five years, instead of the three previously offered.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/coalition-defends-employment-overhaul-as-critics-warn-its-out-of-touch/story-fn59noo3-1227004202651

I see they have included all ages but the older ones usually are doing some sort of voluntary work anyway and without them the meals on wheels and much else would collapse.

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TONY ABBOTT = MORON EXTROADINAIRE

Just for you Solomon :)

So I take it from your posts, Geoman PlanB and Robi, that you support terrorist recieving tax payer funding.

Says it all really.

No of course not Solomon but just pionting out what most think of Abbott

So you support the new policy then ?

Solly baby you are sounding just like Pete, asking the same question over and over even after PlanB had answered you. Sorry, no answer from me because I refuse to be coerced. You will never know what I think :).

Then why post on this forum.

Simple  question yes or no 

Is denying dole bludgers qho support terrorising a good policy.

Why take extreme views for or against a political party rather than focus on policy issues

no different from branding all gays as pedophiles.

To agree to a policy there has to be a policy . This is just a thought bubble that means bugger all .

Thank you. So you don't agree with denying taxpayer funds to terrorists.

Solly or is that Pete . No matter bobbsy twins speak as one . If I agree with something I will say it without your usual twisting of meaning or verbal thank you . I have made my opinion of the thought bubble very clear . It is not a policy because a person the dole has bugger all to spare to send to some stoush or group abroad . I do not agree with millionaires funding Israel to kill civilians . I do not agree with developers illegally funding lib politicians or labor politicians . I do agree with any Australians funding any foreign fights or fighters because its not our concern .

Do I agree this so called policy is rubbish ? Yes I certainly do . Is that clear enough for you fart brain ?

So you disagree if Tony stops handing out welfare to terrorist supporters 

Thanks for the clarification

By the way, a little bit of courtesy in your responses won't go astray.

We may disagree but let's be gentlemanly  about it

Pickering types are not gentlemen . You really are a fart brain aren,t you . I very clearly state my position and you still lamely attempt to verbal me . Comprehension of the English language a weak spot in your learning ?

Watch out Geoff. If this becomes policy, your welfare is history 

What on earth does that mean Solomon? Sounds like a threat. 

Re your post at 4.33. Can you honestly say you have not denigrated Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, Bob Brown, and many other Labor and Greens politicians ad infinitum? Blatant hypocrisy! The one joy left with this woeful government running the show is we get to rightfully criticise them. 

Take from it what you may Robi.

If you cannot answer a simple yes or no question, except with weasel words and waffle, then you obviously have something to hide.

Which side are you on. Those that support welfare payments to terrorist supporters or those that dont.

How much more simpe can I make it ?

 


Ha ha, sounds like you can't stand not getting an answer at your demand. Love it! Suffer baby.

On the contrary I can't stand traitors to this country who support terrorism.

And from what I gather you and Geoff support terrorist supporters receiving taxpayer welfare.

Guilty by association.

I am all for government and ASIO investigating those on welfare, looking at the sites they subscribe, the oopinions they espouse etc etc.

If ASIO read this thread they would laugh at you. 

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I do not agree with developers illegally funding lib politicians or labor politicians . I do * not * agree with any Australians funding any foreign fights or fighters because its not our concern .

typo

The discerning would know what was intended the trolls can please themselves .

Any person who lauds Pickering and posts numerous articles from that scumbag as pertinent commentary has nil cred . Has nil decency come to think of it .

Any fart brain can wrap themselves in the flag and often do . Patriotism the refuge of the coward . Walk the walk , be concerned for your fellow citizens . Do not be a I,m alright Jack bugger you .

This is not just idle observation. This post should be given some credibility..I say so because I believe the person you call Soloman is not what or whom he says he is. He is after something and that something is information. My advice (for what it's worth) is to be very wary of him of any questions he asks you and be extremely wary of the answers you give. Have a look at these posts in this thread:

His post 29/7 @ 4.32pm - confirming something that Geo and Robi did not say. His insistence at twisting their words to get the answer he wants.

His post 29/7 @ 11.49pm - again trying to confirm something that Geo didn't say. Geo you're beginning to suss something when you say "very odd reply either way."

His post 30/7 @ 3.17am - again putting words into your mouth and twisting what you say until he gets the answer he wants. His favourite way of doing this is to begin a sentence "so you're saying ....."  There is someone else on this forum who does that...Twila.

His post 16/8 @ 3.25pm. Look at this  post carefully. He is calling you by name and saying you support "terrorists receiving tax payer funding."

His post 16/8 @ 3.34pm. ..insisting that Plan B said something she didn't and trying to get her to say 'yes'.

Robi your post 16/8 @ 4.20pm - at last! you recognise coercion..and..that is what he has been doing all along.

His post 16/8 @ 4.33pm- there he goes again..coercion. He wants simple yes or no answers to questions. Why? Sounds like some sort of interrogative strategy to me.

His post 16/8 @ 4.45pm - there he goes again..putting words into Geo's mouth. Twisting what Geo says in order to get the answer he wants.

Geo your post 16/8 @ 4.55pm..you played right into his hands.

His post 16/8 @ 4.59pm - he is again cross examining you Geo - trying to get clarification from you by saying "so you disagree if Tony stops handing out welfare to terrorist supporters."

His last post 16/8 @ 5.32pm - sounds like a threat of some kind.

You can dismiss anything and everything I say..but I have a sense that something is not right about Soloman aka Pete aka Twila. I have said my piece based on what I have observed and my only advice would be, be careful what you say to "them"

 

Thanks for posting from the Twilight Zone Flear.

Are those shadows your're boxing or creatures from another dimension

Since posting I have just noticed Robi's post at 6.33pm....you've sussed I think what is going on...I urge you all not to get into any interactions with this person.

Good observations Fleur.

Very observant Fleur . Its been going on for ages . Wait to witness other dubious traits like saying something is crook but not quite saying it then refuting saying it . At other times saying something but disputing having said it and insisting like a toddler never to have said it . Oh its all fun and games with this person . Sort of like a normal person but something lacking , not quite there . Something malevolent but hidden , facade , veneer if you like .

Occasionally the viper comes out , drink I suspect .

Nice - very classy Geoff.

Don't worry..you will give yourself away more and more...if I were they, I would be watching you like a hawk.

Well folks...solomon's post of 16/8 @ 7.03pm proves that I'm not so mad after all.

No your not mad poppy. Just that the brain stop growing at pubecense

Just read through this, Fleur you are quite right in your observations. Solomon has just been bullying, harrasing and twisting comments, obviously he does not think Forum guidelines apply to himself. He Has said he is not in this country he may well not even be an Australian certainly does not like to have anyone disagree with him.

Forum Guidelines
1. Be respectful of other members and don’t personally attack, harass or bully other members. This includes posting material which could offend other members.
2. We are open to any kind of topic or debate, but the conversation needs to be constructive and kept on topic. You won’t ever see eye to eye with every other member on this forum, but that doesn’t make their opinion less valid.

Viv

Please point out where in any of the above posts have I breached the above guidelines.

Isnt this just another case of the leftists blindly supporting their mates on this forum

Now Viv, whatis your view, do you supportgiving handouts to those who support terrorism?

Solomon you may ask what you will (once) and if I choose to ignore your question that is my right. Should you ask again or twist my non-response by your strange logic then that becomes bullying or harassement on your part. We all have the right to ignore or respond if we wish, you have no right to keep demanding anyone responds as you have done above, then it becomes harrasement.

 I think this page of the thread proves (if more proof was needed, which it wasn't) that Solomon is Pete. Same tactics exactly. The controlling, the coercion, the twisting and ultimately the lying facade. I agree with you Geo that there is also a sense of malevolence.  

female violence from you Fleer and Viv more like it. Verbal abuse, and all I did was post a positive development on welfare entitlement and terrorism

No that's not all you did. You coerced, demanded, twisted, threatened, denigrated and accused. Do you really not get yourself? It's there for all to see.

thank you. finally an honest answer.

you agree that it is a positive developments.

now did that hurt one bit?

A rubbish statement from a rubbish PM needs no response other than scorn . A troll thrives on oxygen ( attention ) and deceit . No names no pack drill .

Robi I think you are right the 8.32 comment by Solomon is exactly what Pete has done in the past makes his own summary to support his view  whether anyone has agreed with him or not! Absolute giveaway.

Pete

I'm sorry that these people are dragging your name into this conversation.

No reflection on your character mate - just theirs

Yes Viv, it is Pete tactics with the Solomon aggressive bent. Before Solomon we had RasPutin, Popeye etc. These more aggressive trolls come and go but all support Pete's ideology. 

Geesh there are some fruitcakes on here.......taken over the whole show no less.

Percy - this is one of the few times i agree with you.

Dont make it a habit

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