COULD ISRAEL'S ARROGANCE LEAD TO ITS DOWNFALL?

There are many who believe that the way Israel is going it may very well be sowing the seeds for its own downfall. Prof.Rodney Shakespeare in an article last year warned that Israel's own mistakes and arrogance will lead to its ruin..see below:

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/08/03/316932/israels-mistakes-will-bring-its-downfall/

Tom Pessah is an Israeli graduate and he had this to say " For Israelis wishing to participate in a common struggle, relieving ourselves of our ignorance and arrogance should be the top priority. Not for the sake of the Palestinians - for our own sake, to restore our humanity" read more:

http://972mag.com/the-nakba-addressing-israeli-arrogance/71504/

Read also this very enlightening article by Rabbi Michael Lerner who leads a Jewish Synagogue in the San Francisco Bay area in which he reveals that Israeli PM Netanyahu never intended and never will negotiate an independent Palestinian State.. read more:

http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/netanyahu-says-no-to-independent-palestinian-state-israeli-dharma-group-confronts-israeli-settlers-arrogance-and-violence

Amnon Shamosh is an Israeli author and poet who founded a kibbutz in Israel and still lives there. Shamosh wrote this very interesting piece "Tragedy of Arrogance". He pulls no punches when he says that "arrogance is built-into the people of Israel from its very inception with the belief that they are "the chosen people". Shamosh believes that Israel's troubles are rooted in the belief that they are better and wiser than both Arabs and Gentiles. Read fruther:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/O,7340,L-3924014,OO.html

These are only a few who feel ashamed and fearful of the way Israel is heading..there are many, many more who live in Israel and oveseas. Some Israelis I have met say they are leaving the country because they have no desire to be part of such a culture.

 

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The email photos and text. Source: TheAustralian
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THE activist group Australians for Palestine has prompted outrage by misrepresenting an image of children killed in Syria as young victims of the conflict in Gaza in an email to MPs that attacked Israel’s operations.

 

The group, whose August 10 email compared those killed in Gaza to victims of the Holocaust, has declined to correct the error or apologise, even after the deceptive use of the image was exposed.

 

Underneath the image of dead children, Australians for Palestine editor Sonja Karkar wrote that “some people may find the above photo disturbing and we hope it is”.

 

“It is not being shown gratuitously, but to bring home the true awfulness of what is happening in Gaza,” she wrote.

 

“We cannot shed tears over yesteryear’s Holocaust victims when reading books, seeing films or visiting museums and not see that these innocent Palestinian children today are just as deserving of your sorrow and outrage.”

 

Liberal MP Luke Simpkins told The Australian he believed he had seen the photo before. The former long-serving army officer raised the picture’s provenance with Ms Karkar.

 

Mr Simpkins discovered the same image had appeared in a Canadian online news site in May this year and an Israeli website last November, well before the current fighting in Gaza began early last month.


Mr Simpkins said there was no comparison between the civil war in Syria, unfolding events in Iraq and the most recent round of ­action in Gaza targeting Hamas.

 

“Hamas is a terrorist organisation that uses public television to encourage and indoctrinate children to aspire to kill Jewish people,” he said. “For years Hamas have fired rockets into Israeli suburbs and towns, all from civilian areas. They are cowards that hide behind innocent people.”

 

Allegations that confronting images of conflict in the Middle East found on social media or the internet are staged, mislabelled or misattributed have become so widespread a derogatory name has been coined for them — Pallywood, a contraction of Palestine and Hollywood.

 

Despite the mocking title, Jewish leaders around the world are deeply concerned by the proliferation of the pictures. There are fears the images are licensing anti-Semitism and provoking violence and abuse directed at their communities.

 

Jeremy Jones from the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council said graphic images “which are purportedly from Gaza which have later been authoritatively identified as coming from Syria, Iraq or Egypt, proliferate on social media”.

 

“In addition, photographs which have been shown to be staged and images which have been manipulated for dramatic ­effect spread virally through Facebook and Twitter,” he said.

Mr Jones warned against the abuse of photographs.

 

“Individuals and organisations which want to be treated as serious contributors to policy development need to exercise as much caution with images as they do with text,” he said. “To distribute an inaccurately labelled image, which is not only unverified but which could have been easily identified, is as bad as circulating outright errors of fact.”

 

Mr Jones hit out at Australians for Palestine over the episode.

 

“In this situation, the image was challenged, but when the person distributing it admitted it was not from Gaza she did not honour a commitment to publicise and correct the error,” he said. “It would appear that bad judgment was supplemented by bad faith.”

 

A wave of anti-Semitic incidents has occurred since the outbreak of fighting in Gaza last month.

 

In the most recent incident, anti-Semitic flyers saying “Wake up white Australia” were distributed in Bondi, in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

 

Pete,

It is not considered good media practice, but it occurs very often.  When covering a story, pictures are often dragged up from the morgue to accompany it. Unfortunately, the pictures often relate to different places, different conflicts and different times.  Also croppping pictures to give weight to a certain slant for story is frequent.

A couple of years ago, Reuturs had to apologise for a host of photographs which had in fact been photoshopped.

There are, of course, photographs which are choreographed by photo-journalists wanting a good story.  The most benign of these are of a small group of people, perhaps a family, looking desparately miserable at some event. These are easily identifiable from those people showing true misery, which are heart-rending.

With modern technology the "image" is becoming increasingly suspect.

I see both sides are claiming victory after the ceasefire agreement . The ceasefire is the victor and until progress regarding the freedom of Gazans is achieved neither side has won anything .

I disagree if Hamas has stopped attacking Israel then peace can reign . The Gazans are all ready " free" they have held elections .

We. Seem. To have developed two threads for the same subject I will only post on this one to avoid repetition .

The threads are completely different..one is about a war, this one is asking a philosophical question.  Hopefully it won't break into war.

COULD ISRAEL'S ARROGANCE LEAD TO ITS DOWNFALL?

You mean like Australia's arrogance?

No..it wasn't the other thread..it's this thread that some posts were deleted. Does anyone know which they were etc??

posts were probably deleted because of your rudeness and arrogance towards various "posters"!  Go figure!

Fleur,

They obviously weren't memorable in any way, so it really doesn't matter.

Generally, posts get deleted when someone reports to the moderators that the contents are extremely nasty to others online.  The moderators assess and then act.

Most often it is not the person to whom the viciousness is directed who reports, but another who feels things are getting out of control.  Good for them.

Thanks Twila for explaining...I am glad that people report nasty posts. There was a particularly nasty one on that page and I'm so glad it was removed.

I have friends in high places.

Webmaster Drew keeps a keen eye on proceedings. If he spots a nasty post aimed at me, he hits that delete button straight away.

Israel's intelligence corps has been rocked by a major internal protest over the treatment of Palestinians.

More than 40 former soldiers and current army reservists have signed a letter refusing future service in the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) military intelligence wing, known as Unit 8200.

Unit 8200 is often compared to the United States National Security Agency. It uses sophisticated technology to monitor the lives of Palestinians, gathering information which is then used by Israel's military. It also carries out surveillance overseas.

But the group of soldiers who served in the unit has spoken out about the methods used and the toll they take on innocent civilians in the occupied Palestinian territories.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-13/israeli-soldiers-refuse-to-spy-on-palestinians/5741492

Geoff:  another insight on how feelings about the Israeli government are mounting inside Israel itself. Apparently this is just the tip of the iceberg.These 43 unit members who signed the letter on moral grounds say that " the information that is gathered and stored in the army's systems harms innocent people. It is used for political persecution and to create divisions within Palestinian society by recruiting collaborators and driving parts of Palestinian society against itself."

Part of the letter states that "Intelligence allows ongoing control over millions of people, thorough and intrusive monitoring and invasion into most aspects of life. All of this does not allow for normal living, fuels more violence and puts off any end to the conflict." This link is a bit shaky but you can see the actual letter here:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/israeli-intelligence-veterans-letter-netanyahu-military-chiefs

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