USA says jump , we say how high

Having learnt little from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Australia is ready to do Washington's bidding – again.

It seems it doesn't matter which party is in power in Canberra or in Washington, when that call comes from the White House, Australian prime ministers are too eager to wade in.

The word "coalition" is being avoided this time around – Tony Abbott's statement said that Australia would "join international partners" to airlift arms and ammunition to Kurdish forces in the north of Iraq.

This kind of deal invariably is dressed up to look clean enough at first blush. But Abbott's Sunday statement on the arms deliveries revealed the contours of messy dealings – as much in what it did not say as what it said.

The drops will be made to the breakaway Kurds in the north, not to the armed forces of the Baghdad government. And it seems that the extent of Baghdad, the sovereign Iraqi government's control of the drops might only be as part of a regional committee – the Australian contribution would be "co-ordinated with the government of Iraq and regional countries," Abbott's statement said.

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It took many months and an exhaustive and ultimately fruitless search for weapons of mass destruction for the manufactured nature of the 2003 Iraq War to become apparent. Yesterday it took barely two hours for the confected nature of Australia's involvement in the continuation of that conflict to be revealed.

At 2pm, Prime Minister Tony Abbott rose to deliver a statement to Parliament on the government's plan to run arms to the Kurdish regional government. In doing so, he told Parliament that the operation had the "the support of the Iraqi government". It was different wording to that he had used on Sunday in making the announcement, when he referred to the operation being conducted "with the permission of the Iraqi government".

The views of the Iraqi government on the issue are, of course, somewhat relevant. Not only is that government -- a client state established by the United States -- also engaged in fighting Islamic State militants, but it is at least notionally the government of the Kurdish region as well and would have a view both on the operation of PKK terrorist forces in northern Iraq, who will benefit from our arms, and the ambition of the Kurdish population of that part of the country to establish an independent state.

At around 4pm, Sky News's David Speers interviewed the Iraqi ambassador to Australia. The arms Australia was providing should be going to the central government, he told Speers, not straight to the Kurdish regional government, comparing the situation to Iraq providing weapons to the Victorian government rather than the federal government. And he hadn't even had a discussion with the government about the issue; he was hoping for one sometime this week, perhaps when Foreign Minister Julie Bishop arrives back from the South Pacific. The fact that no one in the Abbott government had bothered to speak to the ambassador of the country we're about to return military forces to was a staggering revelation.

This, naturally, sat very poorly with Abbott's claim of Iraqi support, leaving the Prime Minister looking as though he had misled Parliament on the very serious matter of putting our defence forces in harm's way.

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Fortunately, the Iraqi ambassador's memory was jogged overnight. This morning, at an impromptu media conference as he emerged from the ABC's press gallery offices, he explained that the Iraqi government did indeed support Australia's arming of the Kurds, that Iraq had been consulted via "all the right channels between the two sides" "a couple of days ago" and that his remarks on Sky had been "misquoted" and "taken out of context" (presumably by himself). Baghdad, he explained, was quite happy for the Kurds to be armed. "They're Iraqis," he said, smiling, a statement that might draw a somewhat mixed response in Erbil.

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Fallacy 2: This is solely a humanitarian mission

One of the Australian Government's clear talking points in the past fortnight is that Australia's military intervention in Iraq is necessary for humanitarian reasons.

I can only assume the political strategy behind this is that it will distance the current operations from the Iraq conflict of the last decade. This political strategy is problematic.

If Australia's pressing national interest in the region is to prevent the slaughter of civilians, then we should have intervened in Syria when civilians were gassed and children struck with barrel bombs. We should also be intervening in Burma, where more than 250,000 people have reportedly been displaced by conflict this year. And if our concern is truly humanitarian, then we had better prepare to accept a lot of refugees from northern Iraq into Australia.

The reality is that our mission is to destroy IS as an organisation. That means killing its fighters, dissecting its financing and recruiting operations, and negotiating political power sharing for the disaffected Sunni Muslims giving life to the organisation.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-02/brown-the-five-fallacies-of-our-thinking-on-iraq/5713044

How incredible that we have a bi partisan position on this .. Only the far left greens not on the team ...

Politics on all sides . All sides playing to the public and ignoring the questions that should be asked . Forget the humanitarian BS . What is the aim and what is considered job done . Remember how many times we were told we will be there until the job is done yet nobody from howard till now ever stated what that meant .

Ask your leader  Mr Shorten ...

You almost carried through a discussion without reverting to type .

You may have a leader but not belonging to a party I do not .

Well I agree that we not only should be engaged ina humanitarian action to feed and clothe and house those fleeing a genocide and bring to Australia those we can manage. 

But I also trust those we have elected to make truly difficult decisions to put our armed forces in harms way.

i think it is appropriate that the opposition is being briefed by our GHQ and intelligence staff and have arrived at a point of being in Lock step with the govt ...

I too have never belonged to a party until now. I just joined the libertarian Liberal Democrats ....

What did that cost ? Was there any criteria or expectations sort of thing ? Liberal Democrats . Must admit I never felt the desire or need to join a party but that would be similar to many . I am a member for my footy club but thats because I have the desire to support them more than just watching them on tv . Horses for courses .


AUSTRALIA is being drawn deeper militarily into the crises in the Middle East and on the Russian border after a “general request” for assistance from Iraq and an agreement to provide military materials and advice to the besieged Ukrainian forces.

Tony Abbott, supported by Bill Shorten, is arguing that Australia cannot remain apart from the tensions and atrocities emerging internationally because Aus­tralians have been “murdered” by Russian-backed rebels in the shooting down of Flight MH17 and 60 Australians are fighting with Islamic State

Australia will adopt an “enhanced” role with NATO in Wales tomorrow and has agreed to further UN and US pleas for help to defend Iraqi civilians against “the pure evil” of the Islamic State fighters, who have murdered another American journalist. The Prime Minister said yesterday: “Along with our allies and partners, Australia will do what it can to respond to this developing situation.”

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said Australians leaving to fight in Iraq and Syria represented “a serious, heightened and growing sec­urity risk here in Australia because of these foreign fighters, radicalised, extreme terrorists who come back to Australia”.

“We fear that there could be an attempt to undertake terrorist ­activities here,” Ms Bishop said before leaving for the NATO meeting.

“We’ve seen it before with those who trained with the Taliban and al-Qa’ida in Afghanistan and we have at least five times the number of Australian citizens involved with ISIS than were involved in Afghanistan pre the NATO-led intervention.”

Bill Shorten said Islamic State fighters were barbaric and “the intervention of humanitarian support by conscientious nations is simply to arrest the spread of this sort of ignorance, hatred and violence and I deplore it with all my heart”.

Mr Abbott revealed that after providing humanitarian food drops in northern Iraq for people trapped on Mount Sinjar and in the besieged town of Amerli, as well as delivering arms via Baghdad to be used by Kurdish fighters, there was now a “general request” for assistance.

“We are in the process of airlifting equipment, including military equipment, at the request of the Americans and with the support of the Iraqi government to the Kurdish forces in Erbil. We have received no specific request to engage in actual military action against ISIL,’’ he told parliament.

“Nevertheless, we have received a general request and we are considering what we may be able to make available. But I stress: no specific request has been received and no specific decision has been made.”

Mr Abbott also announced the government had agreed to assist the Ukrainian government, under pressure from Russian-backed rebels, with humanitarian aid, believed to be about $1 million, “non-lethal” military aid, such as winter clothing and equipment, and later, logistic and legal help for the Ukraine armed forces.

The government is to establish an Australian embassy in Kiev and start “aid for trade” programs to assist the Ukrainian economy.

The support for the Ukraine has been announced just before Ms Bishop and Defence Minister David Johnston attend a NATO summit in Wales to discuss Russia’s threat to Ukraine and its support for pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine. Ms Bishop announced the “enhanced” status of Australia at NATO, the most powerful military bloc in the world, while condemning further outrages committed by Islamic State fighters in Iraq and Syria.

In response to another beheading of an American journalist, Mr Abbott said: “The extraordinary thing about this movement is that it does not simply do evil; it boasts of evil, it is proud of evil and it advertises its evil in a way almost never before seen at any time in the modern world”. It’s understood the “general request” for military aid came during talks between Ms Bishop and US Secretary of State John Kerry.

 

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