Is our PM legally able to hold office ?

This is a strange one to contemplate but its a question that should be straightforward to resolve . Apparently for some strange reason it seems to be obscure or inquiries are blocked .

You cannot hold a position as an MP if you have dual citizenship .

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 Pete, you have posted an enormous amount of copy and pastes that have absolutely nothing to do with  "Is our PM legally able to hold office ?" which is the topic.

The topic is the wording of the constitution on what is a foreign influence mean as per the holder of a federal MP in the constitution that you quote . I am pointing out that the constitution was written by Beritish subjects that would not declare themselves foreign the true nature of forign influence on federal MPs I have pointed out above as has BOb Carr. 

No where in the constitution does it talk about dual passports but it does talk about Fedral MPS being under foreign govt influence .

The wording seems quite precise to me - members of parliament (including the P.M.) need to be Australian citizens with no affiliation to ANY OTHER foreign government. This includes Great Britain and would (in my opinion) rule out any dual citizenship holder from holding office here in Australia. I dont much care what happens in the UK or other countries.

It seems a very simple thing to sight a copy of a document renouncing his British citizenship by Abbott (if such a document exists). Unfortunately these type of questions arise from time to time and although a nuisance, people in high office (such as our P.M>) need to respond as did Obama in the U.S.

The question that comes to my mind kfc

is why would the Electoral Office even let anybody run without checking their credentials first ? How hard can that be ?

KFC if you are relying on the constition then the wording is totally open to debate .the constitution  cannot say that federal MPS need to be Australian citizens as no such thing existed when the constition was written .

the constitution also allows the States to discriminate on the basis of race .

The issue of dual passports will have to be addressed as we are faced with terrorists returning . A Parlimentary committee is looking at it .i don't think personaly we should ever revoke the idea of dual passports but simply make the Australian citizenship preeminent ...after all what we want to ensure is loyalty to Australia which I don't think anyone is questioning on Abbott . The conversation is getting ridiculouse when it is. Raised that he has a kiwi wife

Quite obviously if Tony Abbott thinks, like Pete,  that Britain is not a foreign government asked if he held Citizenship of a Foreign Country, which UK now is, TA may well have said No to that question which is why he should produce a Renunciation form.

You havta laugh at pete trying to make out he is the only one who understands the wording of the constitution but making a mess of trying to explain the wording of it.

You make a valid point Viv as did kfc. But poor old pete is grasping at straws in trying to help his idol.

Where have I said that the UK is not a foreign country.

Gerry aren't you also interpreting the constitution

Exactly kfchugo. The question is: Why won't he produce it?

Agree with Suze that one should have to produce such documentation when seeking preselection or applying to run as an electoral candidate.

Pete you are trying to repudiate the validity of our Constitution with the following

Pete
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10th Sep 2014
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Section 44 was written by British subjects so how could they call themselves foriegn." 

and your constant repetitions that we were all British citizens once. Sure but Tony Abbott only had British Citizenship until 1981 then he took out Australian Nationality because of a benefit I.e. Rhodes Scholarship. 

The question of the Topic still remains does he still have dual Nationality? easy for him to prove if he does  not.

That's right the constitution was written by British subjects . The Australian citizenship was not invented until 1949 . 

My point is that the argument being put forward here is based on the constition which clearly states that no federal MP should have an alligance to a foreign power. Do you believe Abbott has so ..

Anyone can sign a piece of paper but that does not alter what thoughts you have in your head and you would very stupid to think that it does.

Pete on the previous page I pasted copy of Subsection 44(i) of the constitution.
If you cannot understand it then I suggest you find someone who can. You seem to be not capable of understanding plain english.
Our constitution is relevant to today and has nothing to do with 1949 which you seem to repeat consistantly.
It is obvious that you are alone in your misunderstanding and put up irrelevant copy & pastes to try something I am sure even you do not understand what you are doing except that you like seeing your name up on the web.
You are too narrow in your ideals. Try and read articles by others apart from mick smith and larry pickers.

I'm a bit peeved too that born here Australians think of the British as foreigners.

I'm British and have always thought of ozzies as brothers but it seems that I was wrong as they have turned out to be pommie hating racists with inferiority complexes caused by too much alcoholic beverage abuse.

Probably a mindset from their colonial criminal backgrounds.

Foreigners , newcomers or immigrants , whats the difference ? All can be citizens or dual citizens if their home country allows it . Only if a person wants to be a federal politician do they need to be an Australian citizen only .

Where does it state that ? 

Don't worry because I'm sure that a Brit will do a better job than an ozzie every time.

Gillard was Welsh did she hold dual citizenship ?? I wonder

Whatever wlse she was, she certainly wasn't honest or intelligent

Whatever wlse she was ?  Gobbledegook

Does not matter what she was cos she had a bit of aussie in her every night.

Don't expect you to understand Welsh. Gobbledygook to a simpleton for sure

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From Wikipedia:

"In 1974, eight years after they arrived, Gillard and her family became Australian citizens. As a result Gillard held dual Australian/British citizenship until sherenounced her British citizenship prior to entering Parliament in 1998."

One furphy cleared up.

It is strange that the facts about Abbott's dual citizenship are being kept in the dark.

    

Ahhh yes Quickipedia. The source of all truth.

the idiots Encyclopedia Britannica

The question is easily answered. The Prime Minister’s office tells us he has renounced his British citizenship. It refuses to say when. The fudging and blocking and delaying from both conservative governments, in Australia and Britain, suggest the date will be politically harmful to the Prime Minister.

My guess is that the date he renounced British citizenship is relatively recent and will show that he wilfully, not inadvertently, stood for public office more than once while being ineligible to do so.

You can follow Ingrid Matthews on Twitter @Imusing.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tiad-of-fudging-on-the-citizenship-issue,6882

Why does it matter ..,

The only law is that a member of federal parliment shall not be influenced by a foreign govt . 

Why do you post if it does not matter ?

The ABC has an article on this and 237 comments so far with various opinions.

The campaign asking Tony Abbott to reveal whether he's a dual citizen is ridiculous, but it serves to highlight how outdated our constitution is in our globalised age, writes Grant Wyeth.

The article deals more with the authors view of world citizens while the comments agree and disagree with the dual citizenship question. A common theme being the law is the law and proof should not be blocked as in FIO by the govt.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-16/wyeth-the-birther-barrier-is-holding-parliament-back/5744556

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Not the law ...

Yes Like the assassination of Kennedy, the question of Abbots dual nationality will remain an enduring mystery.

One day they'll make a movie out of it

The ABC has an article on this and 237 comments so far with various opinions.

The campaign asking Tony Abbott to reveal whether he's a dual citizen is ridiculous, but it serves to highlight how outdated our constitution is in our globalised age, writes Grant Wyeth.

The article deals more with the authors view of world citizens while the comments agree and disagree with the dual citizenship question. A common theme being the law is the law and proof should not be blocked as in FIO by the govt.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-16/wyeth-the-birther-barrier-is-holding-parliament-back/5744556

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When you put your hand up to represent your electorate, you sign a legal document with the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC). If you lie on that document, there are legal ramifications, as there should be.

The fact that maybe some of that law is outdated has nothing to do with this issue and is just a distraction. If Mr Abbott formally renounced his dual citizenship with the U.K. High Commission (as I am led to believe is the process for U.K. citizens) prior to 26 March 1994 when he signed his Candidate Nomination Form, then all is good.

There should be no issue showing us the paperwork, huh? I mean, there is a process and it does involve official paperwork, the sort of paperwork you do tend to keep on file.

Instead, an FOI request for this information has been denied.

I don’t know about you but I find this insulting. An Australian citizen should not be denied proof of the legal status of an MP’s citizenship. There is no good reason for it, no security issue or commercial confidence issue.

This FOI denial alone is what keeps this issue alive. This "distraction" can quite easily disappear into the ether by providing a copy of the paperwork renouncing of U.K. citizenship AND a copy of the AEC Candidate Nomination form when Mr Abbot first sought to win a seat in Parliament.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/rulz-is-rulz-whether-you-are-joe-blow-jill-dill-or-pm-of-australia,6904

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Too much spam about this morning so just a little bump

Why do they bother ? Nobody as a rule responds to them.

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