State Election Victoria

The State election in Victoria will be held on 29th November. Would be interesting to hear from those living in Victoria (and others if interested) how you think the campaigning is going, who you think might win and why. 

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The coaltion have been behind by six points before Abbott became prime Minister..

The Abbott govt have done a spectacular job in the first twelve months . What they don't do well is sell their results . Whereas Labor in government did spin and good politics but bad policy , the current govt does bad spin bad politics but good policy . 

The country has a structural deficit , the day labor tell us how they will address it they will be a true opposition . 

so ....... what's that got to do with labor winning Vic in a landslide ?

The way a-bot is going he will be part of another one termer, LMAO

Of course you are joking pete when you say Abot's crew have done a spectactular job - . It has been spectactular only for the mess they have created.

Are you capable of actually saying anything Gerry?  You state that the Lib/Nats have been spectacular only for the mess they have created.  Please tell us all, what is the mess they created?

quote innes "Are you capable of actually saying anything Gerry?"

What a ridiculous statement. You do tend to make one wonder about your sanity. But I will give you  examples of the libs/nats mess. The budget and taking this country further into debt plus your idol Mr A-Bot telling so many lies. That is why he is now well known as Toxic Tony.

innes, when Labor was in government you stated on this forum that you would be critical of the government, whoever was in power. It seems that you have changed your mind as now you come across as one of the most rusted on radical, extreme coalition supporters on this forum.

Only now Gerry? Innes has always come across as "one of the most rusted on radical, extreme coalition supporters on this forum". 

Agree Robi and Gerry and for me as a swinging voter a turn-off from the Liberals.

Gerry stated:-                      What a ridiculous statement. You do tend to make one wonder about your sanity. But I will give you  examples of the libs/nats mess. The budget and taking this country further into debt plus your idol Mr A-Bot telling so many lies. That is why he is now well known as Toxic Tony

So according to this brain dead one & 2 liner, my sanity is questionable if I say that he never says anything.  Lets look at your idiocracy.  First statement of fact  "the budget".  What about the budget, or don't you know?  Second, Taking this Country further into debt.  The Lib/Nats were elected in a landslide to fix the economy.  The current Government has put forward over 100 Bills that have been rejected by the 3 or 4 individual that just knock back everything.  A number of these Bills were things that Labor proposed in their Policy & they reject their own Policy.  All the increase in the debt, is from Bills passed by Lab/Greens that we are committed to for years to come.

You speak of "so many lies".  List them.  I have never heard the insult "Toxic Tony" anywhere except on here.  The biggest mistake that Tony Abbott made was not to call a double dissolution early this year & get rid of Senators that got elected with just over 1,000 votes.

I know little of Victotian politics . But I believe that the coalition govt brought the State into surplus .

the unions who represent only 13 per cent of the workers seem to have bought an election as they did in 2007 federally .

Vuctiria from a NSW perspective seems tied to a 50s mentality of  buying jobs at the expense of the rest of the taxpayers .

there is no such thing as a free lunch and NSW will move ahead with a more modern attitude. And with a young premier who is cutting the civil service and selling off redundant state enterprises and investing in infrastructure .but quietly , 

u fotumstely Vuctiria will be left behind in its rust bucket mentality by NSW Queensland and WA

Yes indeed you do not know as it was already in surplus as it had been for years. The coalition outspent Labor by a large margin in the election with their own warchest and by use of holding office whci all parties are guilty of. The only fifties mentality I can discern is from the dig it up and flog it off Abbo and his cronies.

Who would buy redundant state enterprises ? Are you insane ? A monopoly enterprise of a power utility/utilities with a captive client base and its redundant ? A large group of MPs resigning or sidelined because of corruption ie brown paper bags with links to the NSW Premier both direct and indirect and you paint a rosy picture. Must have paid a tidy sum for those rose coloured glasses pete.

Again I no little of local politics in Vic I  would think the leadership problems of the coalition like labor federally did it no favours .and two it was too left wing so giving the voters little choice . 

A good lesson federally ,,

Black is white and white is black.

 

" The Abbott govt have done a spectacular job in the first twelve months . What they don't do well is sell their results . Whereas Labor in government did spin and good politics but bad policy , the current govt does bad spin bad politics but good policy . 

The country has a structural deficit , the day labor tell us how they will address it they will be a true opposition . "

Every pundit has said how woeful federal Labor was at getting their message across despite getting a bucket load of bills passed. Now the pundits are saying the same about the Abbo mob but adding poor policy. Howard created the structural deficit and both Rudd and Howard did nothing to address that problem in 2007.

A doctor co payment ( broken promise ) and Dutton says Medicare is unsustainable without it. What is unsustainable is Dutton and the argument that a co payment that adds nothing to the bottom line will alleviate anything. The extra money goes to everything bar the bottom line ie the ill defined research fund and the doctors. A so called budget crisis but a rolled gold parental leave scheme. Removing revenue raising while adding revenue losing to bolster the big end of town and well off trusts. The magic pudding of the pre election was never going to materialise. Cutting funds to the ABC ( broken promise ) is not going to replace shrinking revenue from ore exports.

Bishop can sin bin the entire opposition benches and it would still leave the govt benches looking devoid of cohesion or competence to answer questions without looking rattled. I am truly baffled at how inept they have performed so far. That is not being sarcastic but genuine surprise. I just could not imagine that after campaining on the suggested one lie by Gillard Abbott would make and then break so many in the first year. He has destroyed the very pillar he based his years as opposition leader and aspiring PM on. It just defies belief.

What you don't understand Is that it means little how much money is collected but GP visits need a price signal like all the other parts of Medicare to stop overuse which is unsustainable . 

In my opinion there should be no charge to pensioners or card holders but a 30  charge to every one else . 

The same as public enducation the rich rort the system .

Instead of leaving negotiations to PUP and the independents labor should be standing up for something . 

I wonder who introduced copayment for PBS.

Change in Australian demographic means cost of government health subsidies in medical visits and PBS will continue to skyrocket

What you do not understand is an argument or debating point built on BS is what is unsustainable. Having Dutton prosecute that argument makes it doubly so. People already pay for doctor visits through their tax and from those who do not bulk bill. Abbo is on an ideological binge but left the logic and substance argument behind. Considering his reputation for not dipping into his own pocket for anything he can put on the taxpayer he is the last person to argue a price signal for anything. He even took out Australian citizenship to cash in on a Rhodes scholarship opportunity.

What do you mean people already pay for doctors visits through their tax ? And through those who don't bulk bill ? 

This is the problem 85 per cent are bulk billing ... This is not what Hawkie designed .. He saw the problem and wanted a co charge but was rolled by the left .Welfare as in England was designed for those in need . Not for the rich ...It was designed as a net not a prop . 

Their is no insurance scheme. For health it all goes into and out of general revenue and is being rorted by those not in need ... 

Just like the billion to the ABC jobs for the boys ...

If labor want to stand for something how about suggesting that the poor need more and the rich less . 

The current PPL gives not only current salary but in addition the minimum wage to those lucky enough to work for the civil service and large companies . 

Bulk billing is open to the rich ...

family tax credits go to those on a hundred grand a year ...

the rich send their kids to selective public schools 

etc etc etc ...

Did you take out citizenship pete ? Dual citizen of course if you have. No matter either way as like all immigrants its what they bring to the country and their offspring who contribute that counts , naturalised or not.

I had an Italian brother in law on my wifes side who took the plunge and I reckon it was quite a decision on his part. I congratulated him at the time but wonder now why a person who identified so strongly with his homeland did it. He was a great bloke and a decent family man and being naturalised did not change those qualities. Certainly no scholarship involved.

Your point on dual citizenship is not part of this discussion and makes you look foolish . 

No matter if you lean to the left or right Australia is currently the richest country per head . But we are slipping behind .we face problems that will effect our future prosperity .

the first is we have a structural problem with our budget . The few who pay net tax cannot afford the charge on the public purse by the many . 

We have stretched the company tax to the limit for which we are in competition with others . 

Our income tax regime discourages hard work ..

we need to reduce govt . Spending but in the meantime look after an ageing population .

we need tough unpopular decisions but unfortunately those on the public teat are the majority of voters . 

Australiaa needs to grow up and free up our economy ...but I see little hope of that so I guess we are doomed to mediocrasy ...

Hmmm the thread is about the Vic state election. Multinationals such as Google pay bugger all tax and the well off avoid tax with trusts etc while Australia has reduced the tax payable over the years. We have a free economy and a workforce that is providing 58 millions unpaid overtime , source newscorpse. No answer on dual citizenship I see. No matter, guess you just like asking the questions rather than answering them.

Yes I have dual citizenship UK and Australia why do you ask ? 

58 million unpaid overtime?

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/worklife-balance-is-getting-worse-and-australians-are-suffering-for-it-study-reveals/story-e6frfm9r-1227128548004

58 million

Well considering our population is 24 million and our workforce is about half of that how do YOU explain your statement ...

Work life balance is up to the individual who should be allowed to work as much or little as they please . Not be impeded by the greedy whoare in work and demand double and triple time within their normal hours and keep the unemployed out of work ...

My condolences to the people of Victoria.

Let's hope the new government does not damage the economy too badly.

Poor Victorian sods!!!

It was in full damage-control mode on Sunday arguing the state election had no connection to Canberra and had been fought exclusively on state issues.

But the opposition claims that is "laughable" pointing out the Abbott government pledged a conditional $3 billion for the state government's East-West Link road project, dispatched the popular Julie Bishop to campaign in the dying days, and arranged for the asking of 21 "Dorothy Dix" questions regarding Victoria last week in federal parliament.

Even Liberals in Victoria blame a raft of poor decisions emanating out of Canberra, including last week's "barnacle debacle", for the removal of the first-term Napthine government.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/uphill-struggle-ahead-for-abbott-as-troubles-multiply-20141130-11x3qe.html#ixzz3KYSeB2tn

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