The Spirit of a House or Building

 

Going to particular places can raise an immediate awareness of "atmosphere" for want of a better word. A brief visit to Port Arthur for instance made me so aware of an overwhelming sadness that I just wanted to leave, quickly. The Tower of London feels so very, very cold.

One can go into a perfectly richly decorated home and feel, nothing, no warmth no vibes, nothing to invite you to linger.

Another house may be shambolic in disarray, nothing matching but gives an immediate sense of welcome. One can go into a home that has suffered recent loss or calamity and the occupants lives as they know it shattered and yet there is a sense of peace and serenity emanating from the house itself and the immediate feeling "the house will do the healing" much like the serenity offered by a Church.

Houses and buildings seem to come with their own characters, imparted by the builders, previous occupiers or even the very land they are built on? I wonder is their something we are unaware of, a different dimension, a Spirituality, that is present around us not necessarily but also could be in the religious sense but could also be something else.

 

 

FirstPrev12(page 2/2)
25 comments

I never pooh pooh things like this as I just don't know.  Having experienced a couple of strange things in my lifetime I keep an open mind.  I like a home which has a warm lived in feeling...homes that are picture perfect like a display home do not attract me one iota.

Seggie. I can assure you, Solomon, that I'm not a loony. I've walked inside a house and known immediately it was not a nice place to be. Could tell you a lot more but best I don't. Just want to let you know that Seggie is, well, reasonably sane. I think? Again, love to all.

Yes I agree I am very open to atmospherics , but find nothing colder than a new home that has not been occupied . 

Very into Penrose and intanglement..,

Ok let me put this another way. Perhaps more PC

Folks who are prone to these experiences tend to be those with far left leanings, like Greenies and socialists 

Solomon,

When I had the experience in Malaya, my logical brain wouldn't accept it.  I preferred to think that for some strange reason, I had had an abberation and left it at that.

It was only quite some time after this another person mentioned something which corresponded with my experience ... and their experience was much more vivid. I had not said anything to them.

Also, I was unaware that the house was supposedly haunted until I left.

No ... I don't believe in unexplicable events; I do believe, however, that eventually science itself will explain these.  

I think physics, which I know zilch about, will unravel these mysteries.

Yes truth has to be verified..

Perhaps you're right Twilsy. What do I know.

My dead twin brother told me to write that stuff.

He rekons there's no such thing as ghosts.

His leprechaun mate agrees

Solomon ...

I believe there is a scientific explanation for everything.  

It is just science hasn't been pushed far enough.

Yes. Deceased twin bro agrees. Leprechaun though thinks he's a dickhead.

Im on the fence. Don't want to piss either off. they have strange powers.

Freemasons selling lodge in Burke St Camberwell.

Many a good time spent there. Many ritualistic sacrifices performed by the grandmaster.

Many a buyer will experience good vibes when they go to inspect.

Solo,

Been in a lodge or two. They do appear to have good vibes.

SD

Twila,

There is possibily an explanation for everything but I am none to sure you can throw a blanket of science over it all.

I hope not anyway as I think the human spirit and what it is capable of would be diminished greatly if it was proven to be just science.

SD

Just science ...The seekers of truth ...Verfiable...

Everything is verifiable.

if it can't be verified, it's superstition

How can innate feelings be superstition? Especially about something with which someone has no previous knowledge about as in the 'feeling' within a building in a area never visited before and of which one is a complete stranger? People fall in love with a house or even with a person they know nothing about how can science explain that?

I have seen some ordinary people do some exceptional things over the years, courageous beyond belief in some cases. Generous and caring as well, even to their own detriment.

How do you quantify such behaviour.

Superstition ?

Sounds like an answer from one who cannot front up to his own humanity. You can do better than that Solo and I have no doubt you do.

Take it easy.

SD

I think you are talking at cross purposes ..

I am neither caring nor courageous.

Hence my lack of empathy for such matters of the heart

Weak of the flesh and soft of the mind

SD

Yes, people do extraordinary things.  This is undeniable.  

Neither neuroscience nor quantum consciousness (if one believes in it) negates nor diminishes this in any way.

Solomon,

Perhaps you have not been put to the test.  

People act in surprising ways, especially to themselves, when confronted with certain challenges.

What on earth has that got to do with the statement .Truth has to be verifiable . Otherwise it is superstition ..

I'm rolling over and playing dead.

Too tired to fight.

Flesh is soft and mind is weak or is it the other way around

I dont care anymore

Take me Lord... take me.

There is always Viagra Sol...

There is always Viagra Sol...

I doubt the non caring nor courageous image presented by Solo is the actual, more a facade for those of us on the forum.

As human as the rest of us and possibly more so. Not so weak of flesh, heartless and soft of mind as he would have us think.

SD

I think we are all on different conversations . I don't see what the statement that truth must be verifiable or its superstition  , has to do with a selfless act ..

Mind you as a separate conversation we could discuss is their such a thing as a selfless act...

Sol how can The Lord take you don't you mean Araham ...

SD

Flattered as I am by your generosity it benefits no one by you ascirbing in me virtues I do not and have never possessed.

Nay, truth be told, I am not flattered, but insulted.

I was raised with the belief that feelings didn't matter.  

No this wasn't a callous point of view.  It meant that whatever one's feeling were, there was a right way to behave.

Empathy was fine, but when it became crippling, for instance in seeing the misery of those in third world countries, it was detrimental to acting efficiently. Whatever empathy one felt, this had to be repressed for the greater good.

The most unfortunate members of society, admittedly often the most "off," are often the ones in most need of help.  One can't let one's feelings intrude in helping them.

Often the most effective people - the most generous - the most courageous - have denied their natural feelings when acting.

Twila "Empathy" could be a very interesting topic especially with this as your opening paragraph  but I fail to see why you would expect to start a such a discussion on my topic? many will either fail to see it or count it as irrelevant to this topic when it could be interesting in its own right which would be unfortunate as it deserves proper attention.

I am totally lost in this conversation , shaggers ,Twilsy what has Sol said other than agree with my stement that Truth has to be verifiable .

Come come Pete.

Shaggers and Twilsy just like me better'n you.

I'm better looking for one...

Jealousy is not a good trait

Time you need to start your own topic Pete "Truth needs to be verifiable" not related to this Topic which is not a scientific one.

Viv it is all the same subject . appreciation of beuty is taught . Truth has to be verified otherwise it is faith .

whay I don't understand is Twilsies and Shaggers diversion into personal ethics...

Pete no it's not in my opinion - start your own topic otherwise you just appear to be trying to high-jack this one as your comments are irrelevant, we are not discussing beauty or truth but immediate impressions, psychic if you like, of emanations perceived from buildings. 

onder is their something we are unaware of, a different dimension, a Spirituality, that is present around us not necessarily but also could be in the religious sense but could also be something else."

this is what you raised this is what we are discussing ..

where would you like the conversation to develop to ..,

ich one is a complete stranger? People fall in love with a house or even with a person they know nothing about how can science explain that?

Vivety 


this comment belongs On New idea not on a thread about Metaphysics .  

Time you need to start your own topic Pete "Truth needs to be verifiable" not related to this Topic which is not a scientific one. Nor is it metaphysics it is purely a clean fun one, Pete once again go start your own Topic and remain on topic for fun, everything does not have to be serious.

Crikey George talk about he kettle ...

Viv once again as foxy would say.. Good for you. 

Viv your boring me now .,if you can't stand the heat and all that ..

Now there is one word—a single word—which can blast the morality of altruism out of existence and which it cannot withstand—the word: “Why?” Why must man live for the sake of others? Why must he be a sacrificial animal? Why is that the good? There is no earthly reason for it—and, ladies and gentlemen, in the whole history of philosophy no earthly reason has ever been given.

It is only mysticism that can permit moralists to get away with it. It was mysticism, the unearthly, the supernatural, the irrational that has always been called upon to justify it—or, to be exact, to escape the necessity of justification. One does not justify the irrational, one just takes it on faith. What most moralists—and few of their victims—realize is that reason and altruism are incompatible.

Atn Rand

My mother said that prior to the Nazis marching into Paris, all the birds left. Everyone noticed this.  It was quite eerie.

There are things which are quite inexplicable ... perhaps science will eventually produce answers ... answers we are not expecting.

I am very interested in the theories of the scientist, Sir Roger Penrose, particularly Quantum Consciousness.  He is renowned as the calibre of Stephen Hawking.  Penrose has caused much debate among the scientific community. Only this year, scientists have proven part of his theory.

Stuart Hameroff on the other side of the Atlantic, I understand came up with the same theory quite independently.

If one opens one's mind, the theory is quite logical.  Twilsy


if there is any statement to challenged by the lefty PC feel good crowd it is Twilssies science will rescue us , which I happen to agree with . 

Not Sol's Truth has to be verified which is self evident ..

peeete is really a pain in the butt (smart arse)

Pls don't take it as an insult but as fact.

Gayrie is an expurt on pain in the buuttt

The distinct shades of pink in Gayrie's avatar are a dead giveaway

Our invisible "beautiful Black Cat" invisible most of the time, has been seen by both Peter and I in the house around 8 times over the holiday season.

Not eerie at all now, as we are quite sure we do have a ghost cat and quite attached to it.

Phyl

Have a another drink with me and then you might see two cats :)

FirstPrev12(page 2/2)
25 comments



To make a comment, please register or login

Preview your comment