Death sentence for drug smugglers
I see where someone on TV was promoting that people lobby to save the lives of the drug smugglers in Bali.
Does the average Aussie care one way or the other I wonder.
Drug smugglers know the risks of doing this in Indonesia but they persist in doing so.
Anyone would be a fool to even attempt this.
Mak....agree with a lot of your post but not the part about the death penalty.
International laws ban taking a life as punishment.
This is too quick to take a bullet in the heart....the rest of their natural life in a prison over there would be much better punishment as they get treated as prisioners should, not like the hotels that we have in Australian that we call prisons.
I would be against swapping them to stay in our prisions as they would be too well looked after here and your do gooders would find a way to let them out.
Phyl wrong Dragons.......they are the over paid bone heads that want to run around a paddock wanting to bury sombody into the ground.
I gave up watching those types, who if they are not doing the above are doing drugs, grog, bashing people or not looking after women the way that they should be.
Hi Water Dragon:-
Sorry off topic. The only Dragon I know is Zapot and I love him to pieces :)
Death for this pair is too easy..........torture the bastards first
This topic is one I ambivalent about, can sympathies too closely with parents who had their daughter on drugs introduced by pushers in early secondary school disappeared onto the streets at 15 to feed her habit and next information they got dead at 19. Drugs are wrecking and killing our youth and soft approach is not working.
Re death sentences - and the statement it is always wrong to take another's life - if any of the Australian Jihadists with ISIS turned out to be Australian and took part in the beheadings, burning of the Jordanian pilot, feeding of her own sons flesh to that poor women and the Jihadist is captured by any country that would impose the death sentence, would those on here who object to the Death sentence be signing Petitions to save them because they are Australian? I know I wouldn't.
Viv their has always been two types of punishment in peoples minds, if it doesn't affect you personally, then you can be lenient.
BUT if it affects disastrously, your own family, then no punishment' or torture is too much, you would just want to destroy them.
The killer instinct is in us all, buried, but it is there.
I heartily agree Viv.....for some crimes, death is too lenient.
You are quite right there WD
All we get is the jounalist spin and what they are pushing at the time.
I've also read that this was not the Bali 9 ringleaders first trip.
I would imagine the only way that Chan and Sukumaran would get caught with the goods on them is by having the Indonesians pick them up because by the time they would reach Australia all the drugs would be on the 7 "mules" and the 2 ringleadrs would be cleankins yet again.
Chan was sitting on the plane (separate plane to the mules) drug free when he was arrested. Through monitoring the trip they had enough evidence to tie him to the mules and the woman delivering the heroin. I wonder if the AFP had not told the Indonesian police whether they would have had that proof to tie him to the whole dirty deal?
Chan and Sukumaran threatened the mules that they would kill their families if they did not go through with the drug running.
They were not nice people at all. Whether they have changed or not who knows. I remember the words Dr Phil often uses "past behaviour predicates future behaviour." I have been on this earth too long to believe everything I hear about people being reformed.
Who knows what their behaviour would be like if they were set free. When you are locked up you have to toe the line anyway, don't you??
I personally do not have a view one way or the other re these two men. I see where the majority of Aussies do not have that much sympathy with their plight. The media is driving all this and talking to friends this morning and it appears the general feeling is that people are generally disinterested in the whole thing now.
Radish,
I'm sure Dr Phil didn't mean criminal activity.
I know of one person who stole $5,000 and spent it. So remorseful was he, he confessed it to his employer (who incidentally was unaware of the missing money). This person was given a suspended sentence; since that time he has been an upright and honest contributor to society.
I have no doubt that many criminals do not reoffend after release from prison.
I also suspect that there are honest people who are opportunistic. If something came their way, and they could "take" it without being caught, they would do so. But, they would never "commit a crime".
Re your first sentence Radish, I also read that a couple of the mules who were not on their first trip said that. Possibly true but also possible they made that up to save their own hides a little. Let's face it, they were all motivated by greed. If someone threatened my family I would go straight to the police rather than deal drugs.
I do believe that people guilty of some crimes are capable of being rehabilitated. What Dr Phil said is open to question along with many of his blanket, grandiose statements.
Some of the comments on here surprised me as I was not aware of a lot that had happened.
I read an informative article explaining a lot at the Daily Mail
That article , which is worthy of a read , caused me to think that maybe our politicians should spend more time looking after ordinary law abiding Australians than criminal gangs.
Yes, that article was sent to me by a friend and I was not aware of the Hong Kong carry on.
These two were a lot more powerful than I first thought. They were not naive young "boys" at all.
I cannot get around the fact however, that in this day and age, people are put before a firing squad. That does not sit well with me.
Thanks for that Gerry far more involved than I was aware too.
DOESNT matter which way they do it RADISH, they will be DEAD, KAPUT, GONE,
Cats.......they should be held in the Bali prison for the rest of their natural life.......that is punishment. The hole in the heart is too quick, wrong and not punishment.
For them and the country it is the easy way out but does not comply with International laws.
No matter what anyone thinks it all boils down to the fact that Indonesia (like many other countries who have the death penalty i.e. Saudi Arabia for one) is a sovereign country and the death penalty is part of their law.
We can jump up and down all we like but the final decision is theirs.
Beside some of the Western countries how many comply with the International Laws?
Indonesia is a country with some 90% Muslim religion which unlike other religions is more like another level of government. Many Indonesians support death sentence and the stance Their PM has taken.
If their Country was Squeaky Clean it would be a different Kettle of Fish but is far and beyond non clean, and rather full of rhorts including drugs being freely available.
I think most people agree they have to be made accountable, but just maybe "not death" especially the way it is being handled.
I dont say this will pan out like this but it would not surprise me (now that the President Widodo has said the executions of all on death row will not go ahead until all legal avenues are exhausted) that the judiciary will change their minds and commute all sentences to life imprisonment.
By doing this it would "save face" for the President. In my mind there is no way he will change his mind at this stage but by letting the judiciary make the decision gets him off the hook.
As I said it may not turn as I have stated; will have to wait and see. I think we should know by Friday what will be the final outcome.
Oh, poor dears, the goody goodies cry, don't kill them.
OK, then YOU pay for their accommodation and visit them every week for 30 years, taking food, and do NOT expect every taxpayer to support them.
If they had not been caught, what then, they sell the drugs, don't work for a living, live in a fancy house, drive an expensive car, traffic more drugs, have lots of holidays in high-class hotels around the world.
YOU goody-goodies potter along in your life, being honest, working hard, paying too much tax, not happy with any and every government, paying a mortgage, your investment returns have dropped to almost nil, fuel costs are too high, food costs are increasing.
Drug dealers couldn't give a damn about YOU, what's the big deal because they are Aussies, so, give a reprieve to every druggie from every other country also, all of them deserve nothing less than the death penalty.