No Newstart raise on the way, says Senator Ruston

Minister for unemployment opposes ‘near-universal’ calls to raise paltry Newstart payments.

No Newstart raise on the way, says Senator Ruston

Unemployed older Australians who have not yet reached Age Pension age will continue to tough it out indefinitely, should Senator Anne Ruston be taken at her word.

The Minister for Families and Social Services opposes ‘near-universal’ calls to raise paltry Newstart payments, saying increasing the dole will do nothing to fix the country’s problems.

Newstart base rates have hardly been lifted in more than 25 years. Currently, a Newstart recipient lives on just over $40 a day – $604 a fortnight. Single age pensioners can receive up to $933 a fortnight – around $66 a day – which must seem like a Holy Grail for the many over-55s who are out of work.

Suffice to say, many older Australians out of work are living in relative poverty while they wait for more generous Age Pension payments.

This does not seem a primary concern for the minister, who believes that creating jobs and mitigating social issues such as substance abuse and isolation are more important than providing older people with a dignified existence.

“Just constantly spending more money and not getting any better result is not the right thing for us to be doing,” Senator Ruston said yesterday.

“We need to make sure that we investigate every possible way that we can start getting a better result for getting people back into work.

“I think the issue around people who currently find themselves unemployed is much more complex than just the safety net that is provided by the Australian Government’s taxpayer-funded welfare system.

“There’s a lot more that we as a government need to do.”

While her aims may be admirable to a certain extent, it seems the plight of older Australians are largely being ignored. More people – especially renters – are having to work later in life just to put food on the table. Even then, for many, fortnightly income is so low that they’re forced to choose between food and heating or cooling their homes.

An increase to Newstart would certainly help.

Instead, Ms Ruston would appear to be more focused on fixing drug and alcohol addiction than addressing the needs of older people who simply cannot find the employment opportunities the senator says she is trying to provide.

“If somebody has an alcohol addiction, giving them extra money on Newstart is more likely to result in that money being spent in a hotel,” said Senator Ruston.

“Giving more money to somebody who finds themselves in a position of isolation is not going to prevent their isolation.

“We need to come up with more inventive and innovative ways to deal with the barriers people find themselves (facing) in going into the workplace.”

What do you think of the senator’s comments? Should older people on Newstart be considered differently from younger people? Do you think older welfare recipients are being ignored?

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    3rd Oct 2019
    10:20am
    Of course a flint-faced and -hearted Rightard like her would oppose a raise to Newstart. Her arguments are completely spurious, and contrary to the bipartisan support in the past for raising it. How Australia could have been dumb enough to re-elect the LNP is a mystery.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:31pm
    Worst of two bad choices.. nobody's buying any more, from either 'side' of The Tag Team - and they are slow as a glacier in working out how much they are out of touch and are causing the winter of our discontent in high summer...

    We need to kick the bloody lot of over-privileged, overpaid, over-rated, self-serving parasites out - and elect a real government ...

    It's up to you - I've been doing my tiny bit for years now - never voting for the Big Boys, and taking every opportunity to shoot holes in their sails over their latest bit of pure nonsense masquerading as governance of this nation for its people first and foremost.

    Is that plain enough?

    Vote 1 -Trebor Party - we ARE The People!!
    mogo51
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:22pm
    Well mainly we the sensible majority, realiised Shorten & Co were blithering idiots.
    Labor has treated Newstart recipients like leapers and worse, the same as current Gov't.
    Sceptic
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:37pm
    And how would it be funded?
    Joy Anne
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:49pm
    Yes totally agree with Intellego.
    On the Ball
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:58pm
    mogo51: You might have been asleep, but we haven't had a lot of Labor-run Governments since the low level of Newstart became an issue...

    Sceptic: By making sure these billion dollar offshore companies pay their fair share of taxes.
    Ford - no tax payable last year. Netflix Australia- Tax rate of 0.035 cents in the dollar.
    There are hundreds of companies getting away with this.
    Here's a link to the top 40, ave a read... https://www.michaelwest.com.au/tax-dodgers/
    Rae
    3rd Oct 2019
    6:41pm
    Sceptic we could actually charge these foreign companies tax like we had to pay from our profits from labour. No we didn't get to deduct everything or there would have been no tax due. Labour needs housing, food, medical care, etc all would be tax deductible if we were taxed like capital.

    Why is work charged tax but business get to keep the profits?

    Besides since 1971 there hasn't been a gold standard so they just make the funding up anyway. The money isn't real anymore. At 0.75% I think the government could afford to sell some bonds.
    Farside
    4th Oct 2019
    12:36am
    at 0.75% the government could simply print more money into circulation without fear of the inflationary pressures that would accompany such a move. Yes the surplus would be kicked down the road but the weaker currency would aid exporters. Governments are not households when it comes to managing budgets.
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:11pm
    Totally agree with Intellego. This government is truly the most hard hearted, greedy and cruel leaners i have ever seen in power. They are disgusting.
    Hoohoo
    6th Oct 2019
    4:50pm
    OMG, On The Ball! I knew tax dodging by large corporations was a problem but I had no idea it was just so rampant.

    How come all those fossil fuel companies are paying no tax? Glencore, ExxonMobil, Energy Australia, Santos, Chevron, Peabody, CSR & AMCOR, just for starters.

    And all these carbon burners, with the LNP on their sides, have the hide to whinge about the subsidies supposedly given to the renewable energy sector. Damned hypocrites & parasites!

    Oh but the Surplus is the most important thing in the world, it seems. Where are my cigars, Jeeves?
    Karl Marx
    6th Oct 2019
    5:48pm
    Also Hoohoo it's about time all religious organisations started paying their fair share of tax & also stop all the other benefits they enjoy which will undoubtedly be further protected by this Pentecostal PM
    The Hillsong Church rakes in $100 million a year from its tax-exempt Australian operations as its weekly flock of 34,000 supporters hands over their hard-earned cash.
    And the Catholic church would be even bigger one would think
    Incognito
    6th Oct 2019
    6:07pm
    There are many more "churches" that rake in millions and pay no tax, why is it they are allowed to own businesses and pay no tax? C3 is a new one, then there are the long standing Scientologists as well. Anyone can start a "church" and pay no tax, I think this has to stop, and will stop many of the charlatans starting up "churches" and bleeding the gullible.
    Hoohoo
    7th Oct 2019
    7:11pm
    I agree the churches are leeches on our economy - not to mention gullible people. And where do their untaxed profits go? Overseas?

    If only people who believe they have a soul also believe they have a brain to think for themselves. That said, there are many good people who are active in churches & they no doubt contribute to charitable ends.

    But as for the brainwashing of children & other human rights offences, whether they be orthodox religions or more radical varieties, is in my opinion on very shaky in the light of religious freedom. If the religious freedom laws allow for freedom to preach one brand of sky fairy then they have to allow for all versions of sky fairies, whether they are guilt mongerers, clitoris cutters, fleecers of the flock or any type of human rights perpetrators.

    BTW, I believe in my own version of sky fairies - me! And everyone & everything else. I call it the Congregation of Existence. There are no fees, no masses, no hierarchy plus nothing & no-one is excluded, not even dark matter. Welcome everyone & everything!
    PS. Private & positive prayers are allowed & encouraged while sitting on the dunny, patting pets & even while having a wank.

    3rd Oct 2019
    10:29am
    What a condescending, heartless and typical self serving Minister that should not be holding the position at all. Another Liberal bludger that’s causing more poverty.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:41pm
    Now you know why the Rat Weasel Howard stole all the guns... I'm beginning to lean towards the idea that Port Arthur was, after all, a false flag operation... not much about it makes sense really ....
    Sceptic
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:39pm
    Trebor, if you are saying that it was the Government behind it, come out and say it
    Joy Anne
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:52pm
    Totally agree. They got $10,000 raise this year. Only concerned for themselves and mates
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:21pm
    I merely raise the doubt, Sceptic - many factors simply don't add up... including witness descriptions of the shooter....

    I would not say the government did it until I was absolutely certain... but it is healthy to raise the doubts and offer suggestions as to why it could be that GuvCo did it ...

    "One guarantee of a free society is the free exchange of information." -JFK.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:22pm
    Anyway - as anyone knows who has had any experience of such things - the end narrative is only an estimate of the truth - never the absolute truth...
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:16pm
    Agree with you entirely Jackie, well said.

    3rd Oct 2019
    10:31am
    Just give all those on welfare a welfare card and raise Newstart. That way the spending of the extra money is a lot harder to spend on drugs and booze.
    Tanker
    3rd Oct 2019
    10:50am
    You are making the assumption that all people who are struggling to make ends meet are spending their money on drugs and alcohol.
    That is a very narrow right wing attitude and not borne out by the facts. Yes some do and when in the situation some find themselves it can be a release for a little while however short sighted that might be.
    Perhaps if the drug problem was tackled in a sensible way, as it has been in some overseas countries, then progress might be made. The war on drugs, a la John Howard, has been well and truly lost and was never going to be successful.
    Australia is a rich country and our treatment of the unemployed is disgraceful. Given the LNP made great strides in shutting down our manufacturing industries surely they should face up to their responsibility for both unemployed and underemployed.
    Tanker
    3rd Oct 2019
    10:50am
    You are making the assumption that all people who are struggling to make ends meet are spending their money on drugs and alcohol.
    That is a very narrow right wing attitude and not borne out by the facts. Yes some do and when in the situation some find themselves it can be a release for a little while however short sighted that might be.
    Perhaps if the drug problem was tackled in a sensible way, as it has been in some overseas countries, then progress might be made. The war on drugs, a la John Howard, has been well and truly lost and was never going to be successful.
    Australia is a rich country and our treatment of the unemployed is disgraceful. Given the LNP made great strides in shutting down our manufacturing industries surely they should face up to their responsibility for both unemployed and underemployed.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:43pm
    We tend to ignore Big Bear - he hasn't worked out yet the difference between facts and rhetoric when it comes to Social Security - just repeats the same worn-out old line over and over in the hope that someone might believe it....

    Nobody has yet .....

    Don't waste your time - he never changes his tune - just re-posts the same over and over.
    Rae
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:34pm
    Indue is failing to pay the bills. People will soon be in trouble and forced out of rentals because of this incompetence. Not to mention the landlords waiting to be paid to pay the mortgage. How anyone thought suddenly the privateers would be able to manage services when they have stuffed up just about everything else is very optimistic. Obviously they are incompetent like the current government.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    8:07pm
    I Know!! Indue is going to do a construction company job and go 'broke' owing billions, while its honchoes walk with millions each without any hindrance - and the taxpayer will simply bail them out!!!

    Easy money...
    Rosret
    4th Oct 2019
    7:30am
    Tanker there are two types of people on welfare. Those who want to work and can't for whatever reason and those who play the system.
    Unfortunately those who play the system have found welfare to be a generational accepted life style. From cradle to death the thought of working is not even a consideration. - That's what the government is trying to stop.
    I know all the points why this is unreasonable for those who genuinely need help however somehow Australia has to stop the "free loader who comes to dinner and moves in".
    jaycee1
    4th Oct 2019
    9:32am
    VeryCaringBigBear, I take exception to your statement 'Just give all those on welfare a welfare card and raise Newstart. That way the spending of the extra money is a lot harder to spend on drugs and booze.'
    While I am on a pension I know quite a few people on Newstart - not one of them buy drugs or booze. Yes you get some - empathise on SOME people on newstart who spend their money on drugs and booze but 99.9% do not. They are responsible people trying to do the best they can in very dark circumstances.
    WHY should those doing the right thing be punished because a few stuff up?
    The welfare card is a con and costs way more to implement/run than it would just giving All on Newstart/pensions a $50 a week/fortnight rise.
    In fact the government could give everyone over $200 a week rise and still not cost as much as the welfare card is costing.
    Farside
    4th Oct 2019
    11:21am
    Does it really matter that there are people gaming the welfare system while the number of unemployed, underemployed and the ignored vastly exceed the number of jobs available? Recognise that the indolent on welfare reduce competition for those who actually want jobs and focus efforts on eliminating the black economy to minimise rorting welfare. It's past time to kick this issue down the road and revisit in a few years time.
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:20pm
    Spot on Tanker. This government just likes to kick anyone who is vulnerable and doing it tough. If they were so keen to help those affected by drugs and alcohol they'd be opening up a whole lot more rehab centres etc for those poor unfortunates. They don't give a rats about anyone but themselves. They pander to the rich and slander the poor. We need a revolution.
    Hoohoo
    6th Oct 2019
    7:38pm
    This silly idea that all people on Newstart are bludgers, drug-takers & drug-dealers is propaganda so that people think it's OK for the Govt to kick the down-trodden in the face. Much like the German people were duped into accepting that Jews deserved to be treated with less respect - we all know how that ended.

    Underemployment is a HUGE issue in our society, where even highly-qualified TAFE teachers have to put in a tender for every class they wish to teach, give over all their notes for the curriculum & syllabus for each lesson & then lose all their work if they don't get the gig - it becomes the property of the TAFE. The only person at our local TAFE who has a full time job is the Manager - the rest of the teachers are like low class prostitutes, hoping for a shitty gig with no holiday pay or sick leave. No show, no pay.

    People from our older generation who had a job for life have NO IDEA what it's like now. If you don't take on an "internship" at $4 an hour, you might not pass the Work Test set by Centrelink & they can cut you off for not trying hard enough to get a job. There are jobs, and then there are jobs.

    The Libs say they've created all these new jobs yet there are still the same number of people unemployed (or registered as unemployed). As soon as you work one hour a week, you are no longer classified as unemployed. So to conclude, they've created over a million shitty, low-paid jobs. Who benefits? The companies that have a choice of competing workers who are prepared to do any crappy job at the lowest possible wage. Cutting Sunday penalty rates was like breaking the kneecaps to some of these workers
    Incognito
    6th Oct 2019
    7:55pm
    I agree with you HooHoo, people have no idea what the real world is like now, it is a terrible road that employment is walking down, all benefiting share holders and CEO's, not the hard working people who are trying to find a permanent secure job. No wonder some courses in Tafe are now free, with the low wages and not having to pay sick or holiday leave.
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    10:43am
    Why on earth should Scumbo (Scott Morrison) or for that matter, any politician care about the aged or those on Newstart? Politicians line their pockets, set up their wealthy retirement, get their free travel and it's us idiots that pay for it out of the public purse and don't even give a damn about it!

    Sorry, did I hear someone say they do, bull###t! I have been writing about Australian politicians taking the taxpayers for a cash-filled drive for years, even been threatened, well, I'm too old to care what people think, but I do care about the rip-off politicians that have taken Australians for a ride for over many years and guess what, nobody has ever listened, have you voiced your opinion openly about the rip-off polies lining their pockets and couldn't give a sh#t about whose money it is?

    Scumbo (Scott Morrison) goes to a so-called church that has one of the richest men running it, with armed guards, did Jesus have armed guards? No! So, is that a church, of course not, but they get topped up by the taxpayer, as does the church of scientology, and I do not capitalise their name on purpose, as all they are there for is money, wealth, greed and avarice!

    Elderly people have no say, elderly people have no rights, elderly people are a burden on the financial system, so why should they have a say? Why should governments support them? Every week or so, we hear of dastardly things done to the elderly in nursing homes, horrifying, at least for a week or two, then it goes into the basket of oblivion not to be heard of until another elderly person gets killed, maimed, or injured.

    Recently, I had a fall, I broke my neck, ribs, wrist, but what I went through was that of nightmares; while in hospital and full of morphine, my bed got soiled, twice I asked for help from nursing staff, in the end, I phoned my wife, she came and cleaned me up and changed my soiled bed, who cares, I'm an old man; my wife noticed in a cubicle further down, a prisoner being tended to with 2 guards and nursing staff buzzing around to that prisoner's every whim, my poor wife, still couldn't get help, that's why she had to change my bed for me. I do however have a letter of apology from those at the top because I wasn't afraid to say something.

    Getting back to politicians, at one time, they had to be upstanding members of the community, not anymore, anyone can be one these days and it helps more if you have money or the backing of someone else who has and need your help to get their party into power! "If it's going to be, it's up to me.", an old saying, but a good one, everyone should say that to themselves at least once a week, don't you think? Our governments give millions away to other countries, countries who actually hate us, I ask, why? WE should be pumping that money into better schools, hospitals, nursing homes, care for the sick and elderly, and not for ingrates like Scumbo (Scott Morrison) to give millions to the USA, or any country for that matter while we have homeless people and veterans who served this country, out on the streets. Am I the only one who gives a damn?
    arbee
    3rd Oct 2019
    11:14am
    Three words describe you, LEFT WING WHINGER.
    maelcolium
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:09pm
    arbee. that would have to be the nastiest comment that I've ever seen on this forum. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you can't find any compassion in the comments made by greatgolly, then there is no hope for you. If you can't contribute anything inyelligent to this forum then go somewhere else and get rid of your bile.
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:25pm
    Well said, 'maelcolium', I have always tried to be honest and avoid hurting those who are already hurting, there is enough of that as it is; all this government has shown is lack of compassion toward those who are suffering! What happened to me in hospital should never have happened, and what I said about the government is as expected, my personal opinion.

    I was a volunteer for 31 years, helping the very people this government maltreats, so I have seen so much ill-will, sadness, and sadly, death, all could have been avoided; I am not left-wing as accused and nor w whinger, what I had seen in that 31 years, would bring many to tears as it had me. People on the streets, some, if not many, are there through circumstances beyond their control and governments want them gone, if that's what they want, give them a home!

    Thank you for your kind comment.
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:25pm
    Well said, 'maelcolium', I have always tried to be honest and avoid hurting those who are already hurting, there is enough of that as it is; all this government has shown is lack of compassion toward those who are suffering! What happened to me in hospital should never have happened, and what I said about the government is as expected, my personal opinion.

    I was a volunteer for 31 years, helping the very people this government maltreats, so I have seen so much ill-will, sadness, and sadly, death, all could have been avoided; I am not left-wing as accused and nor w whinger, what I had seen in that 31 years, would bring many to tears as it had me. People on the streets, some, if not many, are there through circumstances beyond their control and governments want them gone, if that's what they want, give them a home!

    Thank you for your kind comment.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:34pm
    Truly this man is the Son of Truth..... speak it loud and clear - nobody worries about arbee the whiner ....
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:40pm
    Of course Arbee will call you a whinger Greatgolly that is what all LNP supporters call anyone who complains or voices their opinion against the LNP.
    And Greatgolly I do care, and do not vote for the main parties.
    Sceptic
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:42pm
    So that is why you use the term Scumbo about the Prime Minister, Greatgolly, being honest and fair?
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:24pm
    A fair summation of our proxy prime minister... the default model since there was really nobody else ....
    jaycee1
    4th Oct 2019
    9:46am
    greatgolly, I agree with you.
    Charity should begin at home and as you say 'too much money is sent overseas' especially to countries that actually don't need the money. It certainly isn't going to the people on the streets but lining that countries government pockets.
    If the government actually meant to do something for this country they would stop ALL immigration until we have jobs, transport, homes etc for the people already living here. They would have built more water catchment areas, dams and grey water recycle plants with the water being sent up the bush rather than into the sea. That alone would create 1000's of jobs and stop a lot of country folk from leaving their towns - plus it would boost the population of said towns as people moved there for work.
    I just wish they would stop listening to the 'greenies' who bleat a lot but never seem to come up with ANY viable solutions to the things they see as problems.
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:26pm
    Well said greatgolly and a great name for that numbskull we call the PM.
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    10:43am
    Why on earth should Scumbo (Scott Morrison) or for that matter, any politician care about the aged or those on Newstart? Politicians line their pockets, set up their wealthy retirement, get their free travel and it's us idiots that pay for it out of the public purse and don't even give a damn about it!

    Sorry, did I hear someone say they do, bull###t! I have been writing about Australian politicians taking the taxpayers for a cash-filled drive for years, even been threatened, well, I'm too old to care what people think, but I do care about the rip-off politicians that have taken Australians for a ride for over many years and guess what, nobody has ever listened, have you voiced your opinion openly about the rip-off polies lining their pockets and couldn't give a sh#t about whose money it is?

    Scumbo (Scott Morrison) goes to a so-called church that has one of the richest men running it, with armed guards, did Jesus have armed guards? No! So, is that a church, of course not, but they get topped up by the taxpayer, as does the church of scientology, and I do not capitalise their name on purpose, as all they are there for is money, wealth, greed and avarice!

    Elderly people have no say, elderly people have no rights, elderly people are a burden on the financial system, so why should they have a say? Why should governments support them? Every week or so, we hear of dastardly things done to the elderly in nursing homes, horrifying, at least for a week or two, then it goes into the basket of oblivion not to be heard of until another elderly person gets killed, maimed, or injured.

    Recently, I had a fall, I broke my neck, ribs, wrist, but what I went through was that of nightmares; while in hospital and full of morphine, my bed got soiled, twice I asked for help from nursing staff, in the end, I phoned my wife, she came and cleaned me up and changed my soiled bed, who cares, I'm an old man; my wife noticed in a cubicle further down, a prisoner being tended to with 2 guards and nursing staff buzzing around to that prisoner's every whim, my poor wife, still couldn't get help, that's why she had to change my bed for me. I do however have a letter of apology from those at the top because I wasn't afraid to say something.

    Getting back to politicians, at one time, they had to be upstanding members of the community, not anymore, anyone can be one these days and it helps more if you have money or the backing of someone else who has and need your help to get their party into power! "If it's going to be, it's up to me.", an old saying, but a good one, everyone should say that to themselves at least once a week, don't you think? Our governments give millions away to other countries, countries who actually hate us, I ask, why? WE should be pumping that money into better schools, hospitals, nursing homes, care for the sick and elderly, and not for ingrates like Scumbo (Scott Morrison) to give millions to the USA, or any country for that matter while we have homeless people and veterans who served this country, out on the streets. Am I the only one who gives a damn?
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:47pm
    In your last paragraph you see the seeds of our current trend towards creating what I term 'created criminals' - torn out of ordinary people in ordinary circumstances - look at a lot of legislation that has passed in the last 25 years or so that will make of anyone a criminal without their even trying.... drink driving laws set at an absurd level, 'domestic violence' laws, 'anti-discrimination' laws, gun laws.... you name it.... then we have the spectre that it is in the interests of government to create of people 'criminals' so that their social power - yes, you got it - such as standing for election is reduced to zero.... so the instruments of government set out deliberately to make people into criminals.**

    Start thinking.... you are on the right track....

    ** been that way since the convict colony days - the same happened to Ned Kelly, and has not altered much since....
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:43pm
    There is also another church that is tax free and making millions on lies called C3. Imagine if all the tax free "churches" paid tax, that will help the budget.
    I like Scomo's new name Scumbo.
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:03pm
    Trebor, you're so right, who's there now to stop them? I tried, years ago at 42, crime was afoot in political circles, inside knowledge of poker machines licenses, I made effort on standing for anti-corruption, sadly, I became a target, some did time, some lost marriages, I lost my attempt at politics! I wasn't saddened, as it stopped some corruption, so all not in vain. I don't think politics has changed or the corruption from within!

    Now I am an old man, I worry now for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren, what kind of future awaits them, I fear for them!
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:03pm
    Trebor, you're so right, who's there now to stop them? I tried, years ago at 42, crime was afoot in political circles, inside knowledge of poker machines licenses, I made effort on standing for anti-corruption, sadly, I became a target, some did time, some lost marriages, I lost my attempt at politics! I wasn't saddened, as it stopped some corruption, so all not in vain. I don't think politics has changed or the corruption from within!

    Now I am an old man, I worry now for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren, what kind of future awaits them, I fear for them!
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:09pm
    Musicveg: Sorry, just noticed C3 church, I only heard that this morning and know nothing about it, but I assumed it might be a part of hillsong, and that's no church in the eyes of God I'm sure; I wonder if the Good Lord Jesus foresaw all this evil?
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:09pm
    Musicveg: Sorry, just noticed C3 church, I only heard that this morning and know nothing about it, but I assumed it might be a part of hillsong, and that's no church in the eyes of God I'm sure; I wonder if the Good Lord Jesus foresaw all this evil?
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:13pm
    I am not religious but I like Jesus, he was a cool dude, he would be saddened that evil and greed is taking over religion. Check out A current affair on catch up TV they ran a story of C3. How so many people believe in the leader is unbelievable.
    Dallas1955
    3rd Oct 2019
    10:44am
    Geez. I better not take any Panadol Osteo. And should I stop taking my cholesterol and thyroid meds because they might cut off my part Newstart allowance and I cant even remember the last time I went to a pub.
    TOR888
    3rd Oct 2019
    10:48am
    This Minister is an absolute disgrace..she quoted that if they increased the Newstart allowance,it would go to drug pushers and Publicans..arrogantly pathetic comment..
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:47pm
    If this is 'political talent' - they need to get a few new contenders .....
    Eddy
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:57pm
    Yes TOR888, she may be right in that it is probable a small proportion of increased Newstart will go to drug dealers (and I include tobacco and alcohol retailers) but most will go on essential things like food, rent and transport etc. Same as it is probable a proportion of the $150Billion in revenue the government is handing back to the well off over the next 10 years will disappear up some people's nose in the form of cocaine or other social drugs. Seems the Minister has no problem with wealthy class illicit drug use, just the down and outs.
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:45pm
    More people are addicted to pharmaceuticals these days, real drugs are bought by working people who can afford it, or those who are not even on Newstart and live by crime.
    Sceptic
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:44pm
    Tor888, did you leave out the bit"if you are an addict." on purpose to make your point?
    Triss
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:34pm
    This is what annoys me Tor888. They get away with talk like that so when we hear it again we need to stamp on all politicians’ salary increases because it will go on extra booze and overseas trips and anything else we can think of.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2019
    6:27am
    The Chinese and the Indos take to the streets, and the French - we take to the clubs and pokies for some relief... and thus are easy game for critics like Ruston (great name by the way- another one term wonder I hope).
    ollie
    3rd Oct 2019
    10:56am
    She is wrong the under employed and the unemployed and low wages growth is affecting everyone we have a government elected with no policy just using scare mongering ordinary Australians the battlers are doing it tougher than ever before they do not have money to spend to keep the economy moving some families cant afford 3 meals a day and this is in the so called lucky country our hospitals are overcrowded and the problem is growing. I know of one person who had a breakdown and had to spend 48 hours in emergency sitting in a chair because they could not find him a bed and this is the lucky country all this mob is doing is looking after the rich I wonder if this tosser could live on such a small amount of money
    Huskie
    3rd Oct 2019
    11:23am
    Her comments are insulting, ill informed and based on a ideology not facts! When I took a redundancy at age 45 I struggled to get a job because of Age Discrimination disguised in comments like "you are over-qualified for the job". Any so called "over qualification" is my problem not theirs.

    Apart from the lack of jobs, discrimination is rife. Employers (and the Government) ignore the extensive evidence that shows older employees are more productive, more loyal, have a greater range of skills than younger employees and actually value add to an organisation
    Farside
    4th Oct 2019
    12:44am
    clearly that extensive evidence is not persuasive enough for many employers to take a chance on giving and older person preference ahead of a younger person who is perhaps trying to get ahead.
    Rae
    5th Oct 2019
    6:19am
    Yes Farside and it is yet another reason people are saving and not spending. There is little confidence to spend if you may need to support yourself from age 60 to 67.

    Countries with no support for older people never develop. You need a lot of children and to save everything you can because of insecurity.

    Building insecurity is one way to destroy a country. Why the LNP want to do this is unknown.
    Baby Huey
    3rd Oct 2019
    11:30am
    Australia is headed towards and will become a 3rd world country in the way it treats its older persons. We are already a 3rd world country when it comes to the internet.
    The politicians and media constantly tell us how much better older persons are treated in Australia than in the US. That may be true today but it should be remembered the US has 15 times the population of Australia. With continue out of control immigration we will end up like a smaller scale US in the way older persons are treated.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:36pm
    We are headed for a future war - the only question is whether it is an international one or a civil one...... our own backyard is so filled with filth there is a need for drastic change...
    Triss
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:41pm
    I’ve been concerned about a civil war for a long time, Trebor. There will come a time when so many people have their backs to the wall they’ll have to turn and fight. And the extra pressure of ‘divide and rule’ with government and media whipping up a frenzy over climate change.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    8:14pm
    In essence (I know I get a little hirsute in my thinking at times) there has been an unspoken civil war in play here for several decades - usually the 'insurgents' carry out acts such as using drugs and petty crime and such - whatever it is they do, it is clearly outside of the mainstream and is in opposition to our society as it currently exists. Some even see that as a real part in their specific civil war.... I speak here of our Indigenous brothers who feel - with or without justification, you choose - that anything they can get from Whitey is fair game, and every act of crime etc is part of their war of resentment and revenge for centuries of theft and abuse etc....

    I can't judge the merits of that viewpoint from our Indigenous bros - I've never been there so I can't really say... but the reality is those who choose that path do so as an act against our established society - hence an act of civil war.

    Not all like that.. but some certainly are.

    I've been wondering about that sheila in Malbadishu (formerly Melbourne) and her comments on burning the place down - and the current bushfires... is this indeed an act of WAR (Warriors of the Aboriginal resistance)?
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:37pm
    Agreed, Trebor and Triss, what are these people who are unemployed and demonised by the government to do but fight back or turn to crime to supply their needs. I wouldn't blame them one little bit, I blame the government for causing the problem.
    Crowcrag
    3rd Oct 2019
    11:52am
    ‘Just constantly spending more money for no result is not the right thing for us to be doing’
    We could say the same about our taxes paying for your extravagant automatic pay and superannuation rises EVERY year - uncontested and unchallenged.
    But they were voted back in!
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:37pm
    Then.. daarrrrling .... actually DO something to generate a climate in which there can be a result... you moron!!
    Rae
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:44pm
    I fully agree. She could have been talking about our government and their private provider services.
    ronloby
    3rd Oct 2019
    11:56am
    It is getting more obvious this so-called government of the people has NO intention of raising Newstart, Pensions or Wages in the near future until the next election is near. Then watch all the promises come loud and clear. All they think about is their own back pocket and the way they will have money to travel and fund their lifestyle at taxpayers expense when they quit politics.
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:02pm
    Be careful saying such things, you will have "ARBEE" on your back accusing you of being 'Left-Wing'.
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:03pm
    Be careful saying such things, you will have "ARBEE" on your back accusing you of being 'Left-Wing'.

    3rd Oct 2019
    12:27pm
    I wore this frock coat to Washington before The War. We wore them because we belonged to the five civilized tribes. We dressed ourselves up like Abraham Lincoln.

    You know, we got to see the Secretary of the Interior. And he said, "Boy, you boys sure look civilized."

    He congratulated us and he gave us medals for looking so civilized.

    We told him about how our land had been stolen and how our people were dying. When we finished he shook our hands and said, "endeavor to persevere!"

    They stood us in a line: John Jumper, Chili McIntosh, Buffalo Hump, Jim Buckmark, and me — I am Lone Watie. They took our pictures. And the newspapers said, "Indians vow to endeavor to persevere."

    We thought about for a long time. "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.
    johnyperth
    3rd Oct 2019
    12:39pm
    I'm on the age pension and I received $3:60 per week rise.
    This is nothing but disrespect to those on the age pension!!
    So much for the Morrison government who should be looking after all Australian's social welfare!!
    mogo51
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:18pm
    I was unaware that all 'older' Newstart recipients were alcoholics, drug addicts or suffered mental disorders of some type?
    Mind you having to put up with the demeaning treatment dished out by this and former Governments, would turn one into such a demise.
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:48pm
    The other thing is many people with serious issues are on the DSP and not newstart.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    8:34pm
    True, veg - or is this government now admitting that it is keeping many off the DSP who really should be on it? Sounds like it to me...

    Think I'll change my name to 'Proud Lefty Whinger' - just to spite some here...
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:25pm
    What are the figures of how many are drug or alcohol or gambling addicted? Why should all people suffer because of this? The fact is, if people have more money it keeps the ball rolling and will create work for more, how the hell do they think they are going to create work for older people, they cannot even get work for the young, fit and able. This Government is more likely to pay for another "research" "consultation" or "job provider" than get real jobs. Don't forget the underemployed and those on really low wages. We are heading fast towards being like the USA. Maybe why Scomo is in the USA to learn a few more tricks to keep the poor suppressed and desperate.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    8:36pm
    Even gambling and drinking provides jobs for others and sends money back to treasury via taxes and promotes economic activity....

    Sort of Yes Prime Minister - I'd like to ban drinking and gambling!

    Great idea, Prime Minister - but what about all those people whose jobs rely on those? And think of the health care costs needed to bring them back down.... the mind simply boggles...
    retired lady
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:29pm
    Trebor couldn't have said it better. I note the politicians never refuse a pay rise using the excuse it is determined by another department. They could say no thanks, give it to the hospital system or the pensioners or newstart. I'd love to see them live on the pittance given. They will never have to because they take take take even when they get out of office. They say pay peanuts and you get monkeys, we still get monkeys no matter what we pay.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:26pm
    All you get for more peanuts is a bigger mound of monkey guano....
    jaycee1
    4th Oct 2019
    9:56am
    retired lady,
    While it would be a HUGE shock if the government did turn down their pay rises they actually wouldn't be the first to do so. The Scottish government [SNP] have refused theirs for years and returned the money to the public purse.
    DINGOPOO
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:44pm
    With the $3.60 rise in my aged pension l can now buy a $55.00 carton of beer, and two packets of cigarettes at $45.00 each.If there is anything left of the $3.60 after that l might buy some food, and pay my rates, water rates and, electricity, and hopefully there may be a little left to fill my bong, or am l hoping for to much for this $3.60,better l get rid of the bong because if l want to smoke shit l would have to hold it under a politicians arsehole
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:50pm
    Move to the ACT and you will soon be able to grow a few plants yourself for free.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:27pm
    Jeez - I took the special - present a docket and get a case of Heineken for $40 ... it's OK but a little sulphidey for me.... Cantina at $42 is pretty good..
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:42pm
    lol! Good one DINGOPOO!
    Heart of the Sunrise
    3rd Oct 2019
    1:56pm
    A huge number of the peole on Newstart are older people who have no chance in hell of getting a job. This evil woman just ignores them!
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:29pm
    Well - this IS the 'minister' whose first public utterance was demolished in a second, and who came back with the plea that she'd only been in the job a couple of months... still on training wheels as someone put it so well....
    Trisha
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:10pm
    Would like to know how a Minister for Families & Social Services acquired her portfolio. She is a cold calculating person,& unfit.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:29pm
    Just your ordinary run of the mill sociopath in government....... fits in like a glove.... like a pea in a pod ....
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:43pm
    More like a psychopath Trebor! The LNP is full of them.
    Rae
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:28pm
    If I "d said that about clients I'd have been sacked on the spot. She need to be stood down and sent to the back bench. How arrogant and bigoted can you get before you are removed from office for the safety of clients.
    Rae
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:31pm
    How about making sure Indue, which is a Liberal National Party company actually pay the bills if people are on cashless cards. It seems they are as incompetent as the centreline, newstart job providers, training colleges and employers unable to pay proper wages.

    This Government needs to be Dismissed.
    sainter
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:32pm
    Good to see we have a right wing hero namly (arbee),try living on Newstart with medical conditions arbee,i'll tell ya something it ain't fun.I'm a left winger because my right arm is stuffed,but it doesn't make me a whinger,just another over 60yr old doing it tough.As far as is goes for this Senator of the LNP i wouldn't expect anything less,living in her own little private Idaho
    The Black Fox
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:33pm
    Senator Ruston has it right. Pensioners, the disabled and the unemployed are all bludgers, druggies and rorters. Aborigines, gays and refugees should go back to where they came from. Poverty is self-imposed. Welfare is for the undeserving and should not get taxpayer support. Scott Morrison was put there by God therefore his policies are “meant to be”. Climate change is a left wing plot. Children should be in school and not have opinions. Unions are criminal gangs. The free market cares for everyone. Trickle-down economics works. All Chinese are communists unless they donate to the LNP. America will save us. Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. The earth is flat. Black is white. God save the King!!
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:31pm
    Thank you for your contribution to LNP Comedy Hour...... quite brilliant satire...

    NEXT!
    The Black Fox
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:33pm
    Senator Ruston has it right. Pensioners, the disabled and the unemployed are all bludgers, druggies and rorters. Aborigines, gays and refugees should go back to where they came from. Poverty is self-imposed. Welfare is for the undeserving and should not get taxpayer support. Scott Morrison was put there by God therefore his policies are “meant to be”. Climate change is a left wing plot. Children should be in school and not have opinions. Unions are criminal gangs. The free market cares for everyone. Trickle-down economics works. All Chinese are communists unless they donate to the LNP. America will save us. Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. The earth is flat. Black is white. God save the King!!
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:39pm
    Are you serious?, I nearly vomited at your comments.
    Rae
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:51pm
    First laugh I had today. Thank you. It's been a very bad day.
    sainter
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:03pm
    You got it all The Black Fox,well said.Is Morrison still going to put that picture
    of the Surplus in a frame and hang on his wall at home.
    The Black Fox
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:20pm
    Very tongue in cheek musicveg. Rae and sainter get it.
    The Black Fox
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:20pm
    Very tongue in cheek musicveg. Rae and sainter get it.
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:09pm
    Glad you were not serious Black Fox. I should have realized.
    Dave R
    3rd Oct 2019
    2:36pm
    She is right in saying that it takes more than money to fix the problem. However she offers nothing more than that so I don't know what she is referring to. Until this mysterious "more" eventuates I think the unemployed should be brought up to the poverty line instead of being left below it.
    tisme
    3rd Oct 2019
    3:26pm
    when are aussies going to get fed up enough to get out there like those in hong kong and really let the polies know we are fed up with their crap. as long as we do nothing they wont either why should they??
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:07pm
    Wait until the climate change rally kids grow up, Tisme.
    Farside
    4th Oct 2019
    12:52am
    here's a tip for free ... it will not end well for the protesters in Hong Kong. Beijing is working relentlessly to achieving it's China Rejuvenation vision by 2050; the current ruckus in Hong Kong is just a blip on the way. The good folk in Taiwan will fare little better than those in Honkers.
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:45pm
    We are too lazy and complacent aren't we tisme. Hopefully the climate change kids will be able to turn that around.
    stevo
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:11pm
    I love the words 'Suffice to say, many older Australians out of work are living in relative poverty while they wait for more generous Age Pension payments.'That is the biggest laugh I've heard all year. The Full Age Pension is a joke and leading to more and more and more people on the that Pension having to give up many essentials including Electricity, Food, Medication Etc. as there is simple not enough money given to them in the current Full Age Pension. PEOPLE ARE DYING AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD"T GIVE A STUFF: JUST DIE AND BE LESS OF A BURDIN.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2019
    8:41pm
    I'm pleased with my solar system - haven't turned the air con on yet, and every watt goes into the system apart from what we use during the day... it's not much per Kw that they pay, but it adds up to more than the connection fee, so our bills should be much smaller next time around - the first full billing period with the system online..

    I'll run the air con as needed (the ex has trouble with temperature control) and not feel like I'm waiting for the axe to fall... sweating blood and heart pounding over the probable size of the bill...
    stevo
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:24pm
    Be very very careful Mr. Morrison. It was the older Australians who kept you in Government at the last election and if the Labor Party are smart enough to pick up that your Government is discriminating against older Australians through the Old Age Pension you could be a 'One Term Government".
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:47pm
    Agree entirely stevo, he is arrogance personified.
    Triss
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:27pm
    Has anyone on this list got a blog, etc? Perhaps we should cause a groundswell of positivity ‘we will vote for the candidate/party that will substantially increase Newstart, bring care homes up to a standard we decide -and tell us the processes they will use to bring them up to that standard and a whole lot of other things that we insist the government does.
    It can be done, that’s why children don’t go up chimneys or into factories and sweatshops anymore.
    Triss
    3rd Oct 2019
    4:27pm
    Has anyone on this list got a blog, etc? Perhaps we should cause a groundswell of positivity ‘we will vote for the candidate/party that will substantially increase Newstart, bring care homes up to a standard we decide -and tell us the processes they will use to bring them up to that standard and a whole lot of other things that we insist the government does.
    It can be done, that’s why children don’t go up chimneys or into factories and sweatshops anymore.
    Incognito
    3rd Oct 2019
    7:04pm
    Linda Burney (yes from the Labor party) is taking the Newstart issue on, maybe the Greens are too. There have been many petitions as well but it is all being ignored.
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2019
    5:14pm
    Why does anybody think that the current government is anything other than a business government elected by media moguls and wealthy Australians.....to give the top end of town TAX CUTS. People just don't seem to get it!
    Retirees should see the writing on the wall. If you're out of work but of working age TOO BAD. If you retired with cash in the bank and intended to live off the interest TOO BAD. If you have a few assets and earn less than the pension then TOO BAD.

    I've called this bunch of low life out since day 1. They're about CLASS WARFARE. Retirees are one of their targets and no matter how journalists try to bend it this lot have decided who their targets are going to be. Retirees need to not listen to the media owned or controlled by the wealthy at election time lest they are conned AGAIN. It pains me that people will choose the worst option every time. They do. Good luck to those in pain. Now who did you vote for at the last election??????
    sainter
    3rd Oct 2019
    6:01pm
    Good point Mick,TAX CUTS sounds great,but this is one of many reasons why welfare
    is the LNP'S enemy....no money going back into coffers,and welfare is the easy target.
    Your right about the TOO BADS,oh i didn't vote for this bunch of if you get old,sick,lose your job don't expect us to help you,we'd rather kick ya in the guts or in hole 6ft deep.
    libsareliars
    4th Oct 2019
    1:48pm
    I sure as hell didn't Mick.
    inextratime
    6th Oct 2019
    6:11pm
    LOL Mick. The premier of Victoria, labor, has just awarded himself a $37,000 a year pay rise on top of the $400,000 he gets already plus the vast number of expenses they award them selves. Don't get sucked into the belief that pollies are different on either side of the fence.

    3rd Oct 2019
    8:44pm
    Igor, my bosom buddy - it seems that the people are becoming restive - time for us to get cracking on that new party to represent the people.....

    (Igor is my alter ego - I'm the good and he is the bad - but that's not always true, either).... don't worry about it - he was a creation for another forum... a teaching tool .... and often very effective ...
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2019
    9:46pm
    Try the Retiree Party.

    Trouble is retirees have a habit of voting for their political football team and loss of grey matter ensures they don't get it. Easily led to their own demise. Then of course they all drop dead sooner or later.

    Not too sure retirees could use the ballot box for the purpose it was invented. A sad reality which should ensure that the current government keeps being reelected indefinitely. We should all be happy with what we are being given: Nothing.

    I'll vote for you TREBOR. By the way where's all the trolls? Disappeared after the election. EVERYONE PLEASE TAKE NOTE! Mick pretty well got that one right. Picked 'em like a Knows. Chuckle.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2019
    6:33am
    Yes, funny how most of them are like certain birds (and politicians) they seem to migrate during the bad weather and then fly in when it's good from their perspective.

    For me to stand would require much more than you know.. though I'm more and more tempted every day. I'm already an Enemy of the State.

    Funny how those with the most reason to speak out and demand change are already without power, and yet it is the very fact that they are in that position that shows the need for changes.
    thommo
    4th Oct 2019
    5:42am
    Minister Ruston even looks like something out of the Third Reich. She and Morrison and their cronies will eventually get routed.
    MICK
    4th Oct 2019
    5:53am
    Dictatorships are hard to get rid of thommo. Have a look at Trump. Nothing anybody can do will push this cretin out.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2019
    6:34am
    Reichsfuhrer-SS (social security) ... perfect fit!!

    4th Oct 2019
    6:24am
    Let's take a realistic look:-

    We have a constantly inflating and deflating balloon titled 'micro-economic activity' this is the activity, for the sake of this argument, that occurs within Australia.

    Every social security recipient, by virtue of having zero 'discretionary' - places every cent received back immediately into that Australian economy. There is ZERO net loss to the micro-economy from social security in that first stage of immediate handover of cash back into purchases.

    Where this cash becomes subverted and escapes the economy is further up the chain; where, for instance it falls into the hands of a global corporation which pays no tax; where it falls into the hands of someone able to take an overseas holiday on an airline that pays no tax; where it vanishes into 'investment' in deadstock that pay no tax; where it vanishes into shares in companies that pay no tax and where often the shareholder pays no tax; or into a trust which pays no tax and whose recipients pay no tax.

    I'm prepared to bet a schooner at the club that Ruston (our current Reichsfuhrer SS) is already living on a trust via her family and other 'business' connections and shareholdings - and she pays no tax on any of those.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2019
    6:44am
    Even Trump had an idea when he said 'minimum tax'!

    To continue on the theme above - when you pay someone or a couple PPL or childcare or subsidy of some kind, all of that immediately enters the Black Hole realm above, of disappearing into company structures etc - it is not cash required to provide basics, but is instead cash to provide income for businesses, which hide tax by the ship-load.

    Even the Indigenous in remote parts of Zud Australie spend all their meagre income, even if it is on booze etc, straight back into the economy - where it is ambushed and subverted is once it leaves their hands and goes to the business that provide their booze etc... even grocery money disappears in this way .... and besides, what does Frau Ruston plan to actually do about creating jobs in remote settlements?

    Words are cheap and easy - and NO, Ruston - stop bleating about providing people with subsistence money, and return the documents to your mates in government with the recommendation that they start to tax companies and trusts and many other things that currently slide through under the radar, and who happily accept money from the poorest in the land so that these companies can knowingly hide it away, either offshore or in business transactions.

    Similarly - how does a company with billions passing through it go bust? Business machinations - including paying their sister or daughter or son or wife for some vague work - and at the hjghest rate in the land for such work... go bust and still live in Point Piper and then start again ...

    Just deepening your understanding here....
    Rosret
    4th Oct 2019
    7:22am
    If you work on the equation that the Government uses for future success it makes it easier to understand the Governments position on Social welfare.
    That is: What return will the money invested by the government herald a return in productivity and growth.

    Now think about what you are asking for. At the moment Australia's most pressing need is the farmers and the drought. Hearing their death cries as their farms become worthless and the fields are bare and wasted landscapes is almost unbearable. However our crunch time is going to come when our food supply is going to reach crisis point and commodities become very expensive.
    Yes, the elderly are important and should not be forgotten, however if you are going to look after the people this is where our primary focus needs to be directed. - At the people who are productive and can be productive.
    As for the pension - that money should have been being invested from the day an individual started work. Where is that money?
    Dot
    4th Oct 2019
    8:56am
    Far too many of Australians are on Newstart. There should be a complete holt to all immigration or refugees till every healthy Australian under retirement age is employed. At the moment this country is over run with foreign workers mainly trolley collectors, shop assistance, cleaners not to mention the hospital staff. It's taken just over 15 years to destroy this country and things are not getting any better. The rorting by some of those who have been allowed into this country are costing Australian tax payer billions.
    Dot
    4th Oct 2019
    9:02am
    One more comment. Welfare is a privilege not a bloody right and if you can't feed them don't breed them. Sorry this comment must hurt but as a person who had to struggle with no assistance from the Government, always watched my pennies and cents and budgeted all my life to make ends meet the time has come to all to live within ones means.
    sainter
    4th Oct 2019
    9:22am
    Everything you say about yourself is right Dot,but is the pollie pension a bloody right or
    a privilege.The other thing you need to take into account Dot people have different issues
    when it comes to welfare many things can occur in someone's life,and not all are just simply
    being thought of as bludger,one shoe does not fit all sizes Dot,and i'm not having a go at
    you a lot of what you say makes me think off my parents who both have passed away many
    years ago.
    jaycee1
    4th Oct 2019
    10:23am
    When we had our first child the family allowance was $2 a month. By the time I had my second child it went up to $11 a month for both. That was the only money the government gave us - the rest you were expected to earn yourself. Everything we bought for our kids were second hand, except for underwear, shoes, brushes [hair teeth]. All birthdays /Christmas presents etc were put on layby at least 4 months before hand.
    As you say Dot, 'if you can't feed them don't breed them.' Why is the taxpayer expected to pay 100's of dollars a week because you decided to have 6, 7 or more children.
    We have always rented, budgeted to buy everything, [still do] laybyed clothes etc and only once bought on credit and that was insurance from the old Waltons.
    It took us 25 years to save up enough to go on an overseas holiday and almost as long to buy our first new home item.
    Now people seem to think they can buy houses and fill it with all new furniture, then they wonder why they are in debt!
    jaycee1
    4th Oct 2019
    9:18am
    Well, I think ALL minister should be mad e to live off 'newstart/pensions' for a year. With NO other money being available to them.
    While they will have an advantage, as most of them will not be paying rent, lets see if they can manage to survive on $40 - $67 a day and STILL do their jobs.
    Oh dear, no car, no subsidised meals, travelling cattle class, how would they manage?
    Most of them wouldn't last 6 weeks AND that's being generous!
    sainter
    4th Oct 2019
    11:41am
    We would all like to see this happen jaycee1,but will we hear any truth,and it would never
    happen,it's must easier to make comments about welfare when your running it and not
    living on it.This Govt is the most anti welfare Govt in the modern era,but people voted them
    in why they had no policies except for tax,no we get to see all the hidden agenda after the
    election.
    Triss
    4th Oct 2019
    11:58am
    I'm appalled at this. I've just realised that it was Senator Anne Ruston who claimed almost $650,000 in expenses, including more than $420,000 for an office fit out. That's taxpayers' money which will include the taxpayers she's decided must live in poverty. How do their minds work?
    sainter
    4th Oct 2019
    1:33pm
    Well Triss this is a classic example of top end of the scale of having go,this $650,000 is
    money well spent,you could well say the likes of Senator is certainly having a go,at people
    doing it tough,but in her mind and many other LNP MP'S and Senators there are a million jobs just waiting to be filled out there,what a load of rot.
    jug head
    4th Oct 2019
    12:28pm
    the centerlink car is own by the nationalparty indune boss so for every person to be put on it $12000 goes back to indune
    Cheezil61
    4th Oct 2019
    5:03pm
    Cannot believe that this out of touch senator can be so cold hearted & cruel with her comments. If only she could be put in the situation of someone about to retire or already retired & lets see her try to live on same money as pensioner/newstart recipients! Agree with so many of the comments already made - our hard earned taxes are definitely going to the wrong places & we should be very worried about the gloomy future that is looming with such closed minded politicians making so many stupid comments & decisions & ruining this once great country!
    Blossom
    5th Oct 2019
    9:08pm
    People on Newstart have to travel to look for jobs and attend interviews. They also have to go to see the job network office so they need the money for bus fares etc. Technology has advanced so far that that the Newstart people may not be qualified and probably can't afford fees to re-train. A lot of companies don't want to train older people as it is time and money to them and the person may not have to work for long enough for them to recoup their costs...or the person may not manage to learn the skills


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