Government plans to cut income support dubbed ‘cruel’

‘More cuts to income support payments is also the last thing the country needs,’ says ACOSS chief.

migrant pensioner

The government has introduced legislation to cut income support payments for Newstart, Sickness Allowance and pensions to the tune of almost $300 million over the next four years.

The Payment Integrity Bill will cut income support payments to pensioners and some people accessing Newstart, Austudy, Youth Allowance, and Sickness Allowance. The three measures in the Bill would extend the residency requirements to access the Age and Disability Support pensions; cut the GST Supplement paid to pensioners who leave Australia for six weeks or more and would double the Liquid Assets Waiting Period from 13 to 26 weeks.

The measures are expected to slash $291.5 million from income support over the forward estimates period.

“People receiving income support are already trapped in a spiral of poverty, and this bill will further entrench disadvantage, making it harder for those doing it tough to get ahead,” said ACOSS chief Dr Cassandra Goldie, who has called on the government to stop further income support payment cuts to people who are already doing it tough.

“More cuts to income support payments is also the last thing the country needs. These are payments that go into the hands of people who will spend every cent in the real economy. This bill would take a further $291 million out of the economy, just when everyone from the RBA to ACOSS is calling for more to be done on fiscal policy.

“The bill will double the Liquid Assets Waiting Period for people accessing allowances, which would see some wait for six months to get Newstart, Sickness Allowance and Youth Allowance if they have a certain level of cash assets. We know that having some savings in the bank greatly benefits people on allowances because these payments do not cover the cost of essentials. This bill will only make it tougher for more people who are looking for paid work or fall ill.”

According to ACOSS, the measure will deny people aged 65 and over, and people with a disability in serious financial hardship, access to a pension. It will be mostly older people who are affected, who have very limited opportunity to get sufficient paid work.

“It would also increase waiting periods for migrants claiming an Age or Disability Support Pension, forcing people aged 65 and over to wait up to 15 years to access a pension.”

Dr Goldie is concerned the cuts will increase poverty among older people in Australia.

“The bill cuts the GST Supplement for pensioners who spend six weeks or more outside of Australia, disadvantaging older people who travel overseas to visit family,” she said.

“We call on the Australian Government to stop cutting income support and instead increase Newstart, Youth Allowance and related payments by at least $75pw to help people get through tough times.”

Were you aware of such cuts? Do you think Newstart should be increased? Should the government look at increasing the Age Pension base rate?

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    Ted Wards
    6th Dec 2019
    9:36am
    How about doing a report on how much we taxpayers (of all sorts of taxes) slash politician incomes by 50%? When a government's starts slashing welfare to pay for the perks both the government and their rich buddies get for things we have a sick and weak government. We already knew that though didn't we.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    9:52am
    Hardly a few cents in that for all those on welfare.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    10:37am
    Agree Ted.
    Of course this is just the latest in a concerted campaign to destitute retirees of all sorts. There's a track record and don't expect it to end there. The family home is still in play and its only a matter of time before the dictatorship in government puts it into the assets test. That'll kick a lot of Australians off the pension.

    Those who voted LNP to save their few dollars in franking credits should be proud of themselves. We'll all suffer as a result.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:39am
    Those affected by Labor's unfair franking credit policy are not on the pension as those on the pension were exempt. So if Labor keeps that unfair franking credit policy it will help the LNP win the next election too.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:12am
    You got that right, Mick - though the reality is that for anyone on a genuinely small income, no franking credits would have been lost anyway as long as tax rules were followed... it is the tax rules that allow some to hide income and not pay tax on it that are the problem, - and that applies to the 'big boys, and not the small shareholder. Like a small business, it is far easier for the ATO to monitor the small fry than it is for them to dig through the reams of paperwork involved in a corporate style money-shifter.
    Mad as Hell
    6th Dec 2019
    12:38pm
    MPs and senators elected before the 2004 Federal Election (and in continuous service since) are all enrolled in the generous defined benefit scheme called the Parliamentary Contributory Superannuation Scheme. (PCSS).

    In 2018 the cost to the tax payer was $912,000,000 that’s right almost a billion dollars.

    These figures are from independent researcher, journalist and Independent journalist, blogger and Walkley Award finalist in 2017.

    Those on the PCSS should lead the way and take a pension cut a long time before us plebs.

    https://williamsummers.blog/2019/03/15/the-truth-about-parliamentary-pensions/
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:32pm
    That's less than 20C in the $1 for every person welfare. Peanuts.
    Misty
    6th Dec 2019
    3:47pm
    Where is your compassion VCB, your comments have just cemented my opinion of you but good manners prevent me from telling you what that is.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    3:52pm
    Misty the people affected by these changes are not poor so it is my good manners that point this out to you and others,
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:18pm
    VCBB, you're delusional. The franking credits policy is unfair; what Labor proposed would make it fair. But we all know you care only about yourself - a typical greedy LNP voter.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:46pm
    Wrong the current franking credit policy is fair/ Labor's policy is unfair to those retirees and those under retirement age who rely on that extra income to make ends meet. The wealthy will still pay no tax by using their franking credits under Labor. They can earn over $100,000 and pay no tax as their franking credits pay it for them. However a self funded retiree with $20,000 will lose the $5000 they need to make ends meet. How is that fair?

    Personally I am not affected by labor's policy as I am on the pension.
    micky d.
    6th Dec 2019
    6:15pm
    VeryCaringBigBear.
    Good to see someone who can see straight and not be blinded by prejudice.
    Some of the posts reek of it.
    Cheers.
    Arvo
    7th Dec 2019
    4:09am
    Mad as Hell- $912,000,000 PCSS in 2018 represents:-

    - an annual old age pension of about 38,000 pensioners or ,

    -$456 annually more that could have gone to each of 2,000,000 old age pensioners in Australia or,

    -$54.21 per fortnight more that could have gone to each of the 647,000 on Newstart or,

    -$50 per fortnight more that could have gone to each of 700,000 on Disability Support Pension.

    Poverty in Australia 2018 found that there are just over 3 million people (13.2%) living below the poverty line of 50% of median income – including 739,000 children (17.3%). In dollar figures, this poverty line works out to $433 a week for a single adult living alone; or $909 a week for a couple with 2 children.
    Hoohoo
    7th Dec 2019
    2:11pm
    VCBBear, you're forgetting about including all the pollies' perks in the future, as well as their actual cash pension payouts. What about all that free air travel for the rest of their lives? What about all that extra income generated by investing their payouts, ON TOP OF ANY OTHER JOB/INCOME they may receive after they've retired from politics? Put THAT into the $$$ millions over the forward estimates period!

    It's all about the Surplus, so the Govt will have one miserly thing to brag about before the next election. They don't care that they're breaking the kneecaps of poorer people because they know those people won't vote for them anyway - they've done the numbers. They know all they have to do is frighten a few people in select electorates to ensure they get over the line come 2022. A bit of lying about Labor's Death Duties on Twitter by Josh Frydenberg did the trick in May.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    11:41am
    With so much debtbaccumulated for Labor's expensive policies we need an awful lot of surpluses to oay it back. I'd like to see evenbigger surpluses going forward.
    Hoohoo
    8th Dec 2019
    7:04pm
    I'm sure you do, along with the LNP govt squeezing all the poorest people to get your bloody Surplus.

    I wonder when the govt is going to pay their own debt (yes - they've tripled Labor's debt now). Will they pay for Labor's debt first or their own?
    clancambo
    6th Dec 2019
    9:48am
    I'm not all that comfortable with providing welfare/pensions to people who have never contributed to this country in the first place, but we cannot have people living at or below the poverty line. Let's remove some of the polly's perks first.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    9:52am
    Very little money is doing that.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:13am
    A pollie's penny saved is a penny earned! And the eating is sweet as well.... like sleeping with a lady copper or lawyer - get some of your own back...
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    4:11pm
    Politicians' remuneration is a drop in the bucket. The real game is the wealthy who have the means to avoid tax altogether. Have a look at how many multinationals and wealthy Australians pay close to ZERO tax on huge profits/incomes. The Guardian printed a list in the last year and it was offensive. And then they poor wealthy had to have a (significant) tax cut because they apparently were doing it tough??????
    Think of it this way, the tax cuts are around 160 Billion dollars with most of it going to high income earners. Plenty of money in our economy but we have a government engaged in a blatant class war. Take from the poor and strugglers and give to the top end of town.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    7:53pm
    Even St Pauline of The Right commented on one corporation that paid 1.6% of its turnover as tax.....
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    10:12pm
    Some pay a lot less than that on tens of billions of profit.
    One has to wonder WHY the government refuses to address the apparent well known loopholes which let corporations defraud our country continue. Sounds like the pollies are a part of the fraud.
    Farside
    7th Dec 2019
    12:46pm
    Mick, the multinationals and wealthy Australians paying close to ZERO tax do so because their taxable incomes are close to ZERO. In other words they do not have huge profits/incomes, thanks to legal tax minimisation strategies. If you want them to pay more tax then push for changing the law to eliminate transfer pricing, profit shifting, offshoring income and other dodgy avoidance practices and penalise the advisors and bankers that facilitate them.
    Hoohoo
    7th Dec 2019
    2:39pm
    So true, MICK.
    I think the only way to get at the big thieves is to scrap refunds on franking credits altogether, whether you've paid tax or not. Why should people who earn income from shares be treated with favour over those who work for their income? Why isn't dividend income treated like any other income?

    I'll imagine I'm employed by a company. Should I be able to turn around to the ATO & say to them "Hey, the company I work for paid me with money they'd already paid tax on, so why can't I use the tax they paid as a personal tax deduction?"

    Howard originally introduced the f.c. refund scheme to encourage Australians to invest in Australian companies. Why not charge Australian companies a considerably lower tax rate than what the ATO would charge overseas companies? That would eliminate all the shenanigans you mention above Farside (like legal tax minimisation strategies, transfer pricing, profit shifting to shelf companies, offshoring income and other dodgy avoidance practices). This would make Australian companies more profitable and attractive to invest in but it would also discourage overseas investors from shifting profits outside of Australia.

    It might even free up the ATO to chase the big cheaters, instead of spending hundreds of hours in negotiation with large companies deciding how much tax they should or will pay, as is the case now.
    Captain
    7th Dec 2019
    4:12pm
    Hoohoo, I think you misunderstand how companies payments of employees works. The company employes you in their business to produce,/manufacture goods or services, sell their product, work in administration or be a manager. They pay you and take tax from your wages and sends that tax to the ATO. When the company accounts have been closed for the financial year, if they have made a profit, they will be required to pay tax at the current company tax rate.

    If you own shares in that company and they make a profit and declare a dividend, they will send each shareholder the declared dividend ($). That dividend has already had company tax taken from it, consequently you can claim the tax paid from the dividendate against your taxable income. The company manufacturing/sales process is not taxed until the goods/services have been sold and as you are in the manufacturing/sales process you are not paid by company funds that have been taxed in that particular tax year.

    Also remember that anyone who has a superannuation account that has shares as part of it's portfolio is receiving franking credits that offset the tax of said account.

    I agree with you that the tax rules in this country are a joke and favor the rich at the expense of average workers. I have advocated with various MP's about reviewing our income and tax system to no avail. It is all to hard for them as they are too busy lining their own pockets and the pockets of their rich mates.
    Anonymous
    7th Dec 2019
    11:40pm
    Company tax is company tax - shareholder tax is income tax... and never the twain shall meet..
    Hoohoo
    8th Dec 2019
    5:44am
    It's true I don't own shares or understand company law. I run a business in partnership with my spouse. But (assuming I'm employed by a company), that is MY tax the company withholds to send to the ATO, which I may or may not get back at the EFY. I'm talking about the money they actually pay me, which, as you've stated, has been made from their PREVIOUS year's profits, from which they have already paid tax.

    I know I'm turning this concept/construct on its head - I don't accept that money paid to someone should be treated differently, whether it is in the form of wages or otherwise, depending on what financial year the profit was made or the tax was paid, it is still income for the recipient.
    Has not all income had tax paid on it at some stage? Why treat income derived from shares so differently? Perhaps this is the starting point for financial inequality? Poor people don't own shares.
    Arvo
    8th Dec 2019
    9:23am
    clancambo- stated "I'm not all that comfortable with providing welfare/pensions to people who have never contributed to this country in the first place, but we cannot have people living at or below the poverty line. Let's remove some of the polly's perks first"

    VeryCaringBigBear- stated "Very little money is doing that."

    Here are some facts for both of you:-

    http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-do-refugees-cost-australia-100m-a-year-in-welfare-with-an-unemployment-rate-of-97-54395

    6th Dec 2019
    9:51am
    Makes a lot of good sense to me.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:20pm
    Of course it does, because you're heartless and greedy - typical LNP-voting scum.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:53pm
    Funny as I didn't vote in the last election.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    7:56pm
    So from where do you derive the right to an opinion here? Either you don't live here or you fail your civic responsibility test...
    Hoohoo
    7th Dec 2019
    2:50pm
    Bang on, TREBOR.
    VCBB says he's on an OAP pension, doesn't vote, thinks pensioners are greedy who have nothing to whinge about and yet he reads everything straight out of the LNP's prayer book/manifesto.
    He's either severely bipolar (or perhaps a psychopathic liar) or he's a fictitious character. There are just too many contradictions for him to be a real person.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    8:50am
    I can't seem to find one comment here where anyone would be personally disadvantaged by these changes. Most comments are off topic and about others issues.
    Hoohoo
    8th Dec 2019
    7:09pm
    Then remove the cloth from your ears and the blinkers from your eyes (if you are a human being, that is).

    You're not paying attention or are you running a tag team with another troll on the payroll? You need to give him your notes if you want him to keep up.
    Anonymous
    9th Dec 2019
    3:28pm
    Still can't find anyone here affected by these changes blinkers or no blinkers.
    mogo51
    6th Dec 2019
    9:53am
    This bill is disgraceful. A lot of Australians decide to move o/s for financial reasons ie. They can live a better quality. The Governments padt and present changed residency period before you qualift and I mainly agree with that. It stops 'migrants' coming here for a short period, claiming pension and then returning to their native countr - that is sensible.
    They already strip the pension of Australians to the basic rate after 6 weeks when they go o/s, but they want more.
    As Ted states lets cut all their appalling rorts - thet are parasites.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:08am
    You don't pay GST overseas so that needs to be scrapped. Also if you have liquid assets then you have enough to tied you over so you can wait six months,
    SuziJ
    6th Dec 2019
    10:19am
    VCB, most who lose their jobs don't have much in liquid assets - some have as little as $100 in the bank. That's not going to go far if they have to wait for 6 months for any benefits.

    Some don't get a payout, especially if they're on a casual contract where you can be given 1 day's notice that they don't want you any longer.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:21am
    If you have only $100 in the bank then you don't have to wait as only those with liquid assets have to wait.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:16am
    Anyone who retains property etc in Australia pays GST... case closed.

    Cutting into liquid assets is a short-sighted gesture at ideology - since all that does is compel the unemp0loyed or whatever to start again at a lower level, and thus become more of a burden at retirement time.

    This is one of the basic underlying flaws in a 'part-time, casual' work environment for the many - too many peaks and troughs mean they will never accumulate a nest egg or assets for retirement - and all the while they are waiting for a feed, their accumulated super is being torn down by costs and fees...

    Stoopid is as stoopid does...

    We're gonna need a bigger guillotine...
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:29pm
    There is no GST on rates.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    7:40pm
    You do pay GST overseas. They mostly call it 'tax'. The rate depends on where you are and yes some countries do not have GST.
    A lot of countries have property taxes payable every year. These are on top of rates and are meant to gain an income from non owner occupier owners. Its a casino.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    7:57pm
    There is on your lecco bill etc... and on everything else you spend on your property...
    DaddyKool
    7th Dec 2019
    1:21pm
    Mogo51
    Do those that retire overseas still get the Aussie Pension?
    Spending in another country not helping our economy although I guess we have migrants to do that. Come to think most us are migrants or children of migrants....
    SuziJ
    6th Dec 2019
    10:15am
    Increasing waiting time for immigrants - yes, but penalising those that have, by no fault of their own, been made redundant, the increase to 26 weeks wait until they can access payments is cruel.

    These people in their 'ivory towers' have no idea of what's fair or unfair. They're just number-crunchers with no contact with the 'real' world. I'd like it for these people to be put on a payment for 12 months, then they can go back to their towers and really understand what those of us living on pensions experience. Then they may have some empathy for us.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:17am
    Many people being made redundant are given a lot more than 26 weeks pay and rightly are then required to wait according to the number of weeks pay they received. Paying them welfare for these weeks is nothing but double paying them.
    SuziJ
    6th Dec 2019
    10:20am
    VCB, some don't have anywhere near that! If you're on a casual contract, you don't even need to be given 1 day's notice!
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:22am
    It doesn't affect those without liquid assets.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:19am
    That payout isn't supposed to keep them - it is supposed to be compensation for being thrown on the street, and to have an opportunity to start again.... being ripped straight down to zero is not helping in any 'start again'...

    Get rid of companies and management and get some good ones for a change... ones that can actually run as a business... with a little sense.

    BTW - if the economy is doing so well - why are so many being made redundant etc? Why are so many companies failing and dropping off the grid?
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:31am
    There is no waiting time for those without money.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:21pm
    There should be no waiting time for any in the interests of sustaining viability for as many as possible, so that they can accumulate for retirement time.. it's not as if $250 a week will destroy the economy... and having such civilised rules in place might force 'government' to wake up and start genuine job-policies...
    Tuesday127
    6th Dec 2019
    2:17pm
    So someone who gets a $75 k redundancy payout gets immediate access to welfare nas does the person who gets no payout???
    Tuesday127
    6th Dec 2019
    2:17pm
    So someone who gets a $75 k redundancy payout gets immediate access to welfare nas does the person who gets no payout???
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:28pm
    If you have a $75.000 redundancy payout you have to wait for the number of weeks that equated to before you get welfare now.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    7:57pm
    How many people get a $75k payout?
    Farside
    7th Dec 2019
    12:51pm
    It's not just the people in their 'ivory towers' that have no idea of what's fair or unfair. There are plenty of others on the OAP that do not appreciate how much better they have it than someone on Newstart or similar.
    Hoohoo
    7th Dec 2019
    3:23pm
    The economy is in tatters because of the LNP's policy of austerity. They are so one-eyed about it they are still crying about the debt Labor incurred during the Global Financial Crisis that kept Australia out of Recession, unlike most other free democracies.

    My business has been eaten alive by cheap Chinese imports - my income is reduced to a quarter of what it was ten years ago. I've had to let workers go because I can't keep my business open if I have no income. Ordinary people just don't have spare money to spend. They're saving it for when an emergency comes along, like an unexpected operation, a car repair or even just registration, a funeral, a roof repair after damage from a storm, bush fire damage, having to pay for water to drink because our creeks, dams, rivers & tanks have run dry. These things are happening to people all around me.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:19am
    Yes Hoohoo 7 years of this economic mismanagement and here we are bankrupt. It was always going to be this way. Australia makes billions of dollars for foreign investors but can't afford to look after it's own. It's a real shame what Conservatives have done to this once prosperous country.
    Hoohoo
    21st Dec 2019
    7:57pm
    So true, Rae.
    We might have to start calling Australia the "unlucky country" now the austerity Party have stamped their legacy across the board.
    It's certainly been unlucky for Indigenous people - since about 1788.
    Budge
    6th Dec 2019
    10:27am
    This is unbelievable! It is already impossible to live on welfare and would only affect those who find themselves suddenly unemployed- often due to age, disability or illness and not those who bludge off the country.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:28am
    If they have little or no liquid assets then it is not a problem to them.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:24pm
    Yes - they're close to pension time so can become a total burden in receiving OAP... great work... thank you BB for pointing out the savage pitfalls of 'greed is good' that is driving part-time casual, and businesses terrorising the ATO with millions of pieces of paper to sift through, etc and sometimes going out feet first and the honchoes taking millions with them...
    Hoohoo
    7th Dec 2019
    4:02pm
    VCBB, that's the problem. People who have worked hard or risked their savings to start a business (as I did over 20 years ago) will be punished should we suddenly find ourselves without a job or income, while those who have always been on welfare will be spared the indignity of having to use up their hard-earned savings (after tax has been paid on it, too!) for half a year before we are entitled to welfare? This government is a thieving bastard!

    The only reason I have spare money now is because, for cash-flow purposes, my business needs a pool of money on hand to exist at all. I can't afford to borrow it & besides, the bank wouldn't lend it to me.

    And now my income is reduced to a quarter of what it was ten years ago because of LNP policy & their need to sign a crap free trade agreement with China. I wrote to Andrew Robb (the Trade Minister) at that time & he suggested I should be innovative & move my business to China. Next thing he retired (with a big fat pension & perks) & as a businessman, negotiated the lease of Darwin Harbour to the Chinese.

    They are selling Australia down the toilet & now have the hide to stick their hand out & squeeze poor people so they can have their bloody Surplus.

    They keep telling us to spend but then they take what little we have. They know how to make money for themselves but they have no idea how to stimulate demand at a national level. They are pathetic economic managers, despite their blubberings to the contrary. They are destroying our country & our economy.
    Anonymous
    7th Dec 2019
    11:49pm
    Bravo, Hoohoo!
    Budge
    6th Dec 2019
    10:28am
    I agree that lollies and especially high ranking public servant are the ones who should have pay cuts. Lead from the front and show some kind of understanding,
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:30am
    Why it is nothing to do with them.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:20am
    It should be..... we need to change the rules...
    Tanker
    6th Dec 2019
    1:58pm
    How Good is VCBB toeing the party line at every opportunity. In the past VCBB has boasted about how well he/she is so they obviously have no idea how tough it is for those out there who are really struggling.
    Apart from that pulling that money out of the economy verges on moronic, apologies to morons, but I am afraid we are getting used to this sort of action from this government. They don't do much but when they do they are acting some group or other from the "bottom end of town" while the "Top End" is sacrosanct.
    Tanker
    6th Dec 2019
    1:58pm
    How Good is VCBB toeing the party line at every opportunity. In the past VCBB has boasted about how well he/she is so they obviously have no idea how tough it is for those out there who are really struggling.
    Apart from that pulling that money out of the economy verges on moronic, apologies to morons, but I am afraid we are getting used to this sort of action from this government. They don't do much but when they do they are acting some group or other from the "bottom end of town" while the "Top End" is sacrosanct.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    3:37pm
    The people affected by these policies will still spend the same amount of money in the economy but less on overseas holidays and cruises.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    7:58pm
    Those people don't spend money on overseas holidays and cruises... they could scarcely afford the passport..
    Hoohoo
    7th Dec 2019
    4:09pm
    You are right, TREBOR. My passport expired decades ago.
    Hoohoo
    7th Dec 2019
    4:16pm
    Stop reading out of the Liberal manifesto, VCBBear. It's tosh!

    This government is all about dividing people instead of us standing up together against the government. Entities like VCBBear are tools to implement the division. He contradicts himself continually, just to argue the party line. I suggest we all ignore him. Hard to do I know, because he makes us so angry. This is why he's here. Maybe this is why he's so well off - he's on the payroll?
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    11:46am
    I don't read that rubbish I observe what is happenning around me instead. I don't see any poor people like their are in some other parts of the world. I do see a lot of people who fail to spend their welfare well so the sooner the welfare card is given to all those on welfare the better they all will be.
    Hoohoo
    8th Dec 2019
    7:20pm
    So can't you see poor people where you live, VCBB? You obviously live in a well-to-do area of Trollsville or Heartlessville. The main street of my town has homeless people sleeping under blankets in the shopfront entrances on winter nights. I know people who must choose between paying an electricity bill or the rent. Their kids go to school without having breakfast often.

    You're living in bubble VCBB - an LNP bubble.
    Hoohoo
    8th Dec 2019
    7:22pm
    Good people in this country are really suffering.

    Instead of the government helping them they just kick sand in their faces & ask for more from them, instead of from those who can afford to help.
    maelcolium
    6th Dec 2019
    10:37am
    Here's a new flash to all those stupid pensioners who voted for the LNP to save their franking credits. Suck it up! If you paid more attention to the policies (or lack of) put forward by this crowd rather than listening to the lies they promoted about the ALP imposing a pensioners' tax, then we wouldn't be in the clutches of this rotten Government. Australians are shallow and stupid. We deserve this lot and I doubt much will change given the propensity of the aged to vote blue. Stupid, just plain stupid.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    10:41am
    Pensioners were exempt from Labor's unfair franking credit policy. Let' hope they keep that policy as it will lose them the next election too.
    Nerk
    6th Dec 2019
    11:20am
    Thats why they lost my vote.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:23am
    In reality all genuine taxpayers who did their returns correctly would still be entitled to a part of whole refund on franked credits.. that's the way it is supposed to work... there was never any need for 'exemptions' - that was a sign of a Labor spokesperson desperate to get across a point he clearly did not understand.

    Obey the tax rules and don't cheat and you have no problems with franked credits - but because there is so much manipulation going on - I say abolish franked credits entirely and do your own taxes without the company paying some in advance for you.

    The real issue that Shorten seemed unable to get across is the opportunity to manipulate - not franking credits simple.... and only those with a heap can afford to pay for manipulation of income.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:29am
    Franking credits has nothing at all to do with manipulating of income. If you have franking credits you have paid tax and deserve a refund like everyone else who has over paid their tax.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:55pm
    Franking credits PER SE have nothing to do with income manipulation - income manipulation OF franking credits in amongst other things IS.

    Keep up in class....

    At the end of the day, abolishing franking credits would make zero difference to tax liability of anyone who does not have the complicated manipulation available.. ergo - no small shareholder would miss one cent if franked credits were abolished.

    As I've said countless times - it is the current opportunities and availability of income-shifting measures available to companies, corporations and the very rich which are the real issues with taxation - but removing franked credits from the board would be on less thing the ATO has to look at in determining whether or not a return is done properly.

    Nobody should object to the ATO being freed from the added burden of having to calculate income including franked credits, when it could all be more simply done with a simple return of all income in one place - and that would free the ATO to go after more of the real rorters and manipulators.

    Don't tell me it doesn't happen - my kid's mother had an accountant, he was caught by the ATO doing fiddles.... where there enough issues involved in a return, the ATO simply cannot handle it, so they surrender to the big boys and their thick books of paperwork and rely on their integrity...**falls about laughing** ...

    It's another form of 'self-regulation' - trusting corporations and big companies and corporate magnates to0 do the right thing... by giving their word .... worked well with the retired race horse industry..... and the banks... and the super funds ...

    Need I go on?
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:59pm
    "If you have franking credits you have paid tax and deserve a refund like everyone else who has over paid their tax. "

    Precisely what I said, BB - with the proviso that you MUST include franked credits in gross income for calculation, and the issuers underlying the entire process are opportunities for some to hid ie income and thus derive zero taxable income and thus receive a freebie by way of return on top of already large sums untaxed.

    Says again - it is the tax SYSTEM that is in need of overhaul, specifical in this case, so as to cut out opportunities for shifting income around and making it disappear.

    Small investors do not have those opportunities... and are subject to closer scrutiny by the ATO than are big corporations with their thick volumes of paperwork...

    Ergo - small investors are generally honest and receive their reward justly...
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    3:43pm
    Agree it is the tax system that is the problem not franking credits. If anything not refunding franking credits will hurt the economy as retirees will have less to spend and invest their money off shore instead of in Australian companies.

    The big problem is the no tax on super for those over 60 as it only helps the wealthy pay less tax as the majority have trouble using their 15% rebate. In fact many over 60 would be better off being taxed on their super as they would have tax credits available to offset the tax on their other income as well.
    Misty
    6th Dec 2019
    3:52pm
    What other income are you talking about VCBB?, most retired people only have one income stream.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:16pm
    I have more than one income stream myself but the wealthy have lots of income streams that are isolated so little or no tax is paid on them.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    7:46pm
    nerk: so you sold out the nation for your handful of silver franking credits? Have you been looking agt what the government you helped elect has been doing to 6 years? Do you not understand that we are witnessing the ushering in of our first totalitarian government headed by a dictator in the making?

    To all those who sold out the country I'll tell you I voted Labor even though one idiot by the name of Bowen had sold us and many self funded retirees out. It would have cost us but the future of the nation is worth far more than a measly few thousand dollars. Some Australians offend me with their greed and lack of both a spine and morals. Sorry if that offends but I did not sell out the country. Neither should have you.
    101
    8th Dec 2019
    11:34am
    It's called Democracy.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:25am
    VCBB remember the defined benefit income stream retirees pay tax on their untaxed employer contribution. Perhaps the same needs to be done for everyone. The non concessional income stream has already been fully taxed so comes out tax free but the concessional is taxed minus the 15% already paid. That would bring accumulation taxes into line with defined benefit taxes on income streams.

    Only very high income streams would be affected but it would solve the problem of the really wealthy paying no tax even after considerable tax rebates.
    Hoohoo
    21st Dec 2019
    8:13pm
    It's not democracy any more, The Care Bear.

    Sure, people are free to vote but our media has become a conduit for liars & deceivers, so the information we receive is tainted and often designed to frighten people to vote this way or that. Some OAP pensioners voted for the Libs because they thought Labor's franking credits policy was ripping them off, not realising it wouldn't even affect them if they didn't own shares.
    And Frydenberg lied on Twitter saying that Labor, Unions & the Greens were going to introduce Death Duties. "Tell everyone you know", he lied. That frightened heaps of people into voting for the government.

    I've said this before: Trump spends US$1 million every week on Facebook. Why? It works. People ARE stupid.
    Neil
    6th Dec 2019
    10:54am
    What happens to these people brought to Australia under the Medevac scheme .Do they get full pension plus all benefits straight away ? If so unfair to all Australians worked all there life and have to wait ?
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:04am
    Yes as they have no liquid assets.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:25am
    They need to eat etc - they get fed in hospitals etc.. and once fit again, go 'home' to der Konzentrationslageren .... being still in detention, they don't get to roam the streets and get a flat etc...
    Ozzieg
    6th Dec 2019
    11:11pm
    No. They don’t get any of the support you seem to believe they do.
    And most of the money spent keeping them in Nauru or Manus goes to the companies contracted to provide the inadequate services provided to them!
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:30am
    A UNHRC camp in Australia would have been a lot cheaper to run. We are paying foreign contractors far too much. Then the refugees could have been put on the waiting lists for health treatments the same as citizens are. Biggest problem would be finding a site for a camp where there is water not being mined by foreign privateers.

    6th Dec 2019
    11:07am
    Social Security - it's social Security ... now let me read this vernacular...
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:27am
    Social security is just a fancy name for welfare.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    7:50pm
    On a wider note its the distribution of wealth amongst all citizens. Nobody should take the insults about wealth belongs 100% to those who create it because that is plain WRONG. Wealthy people do not exist in the absence of the poor and need them to thrive. The real talking point is what is fair for both ends of the spectrum. The rich wanting to pay no tax is not fair but that's the game being played around the planet. hat's why there are millions of wealthy citizens in offshore tax have all over the place. Its the avoidance of paying their dues to society.

    Called it welfare or social security. It matters and attempts to demean what has to happen are not appreciated. EVERYBODY on the planet deserves to live a reasonable life. Tell me I'm dreamin.............
    Anonymous
    7th Dec 2019
    11:53pm
    In reality all those who lift a hand in work are 'creating wealth' - that is the simple reality of it - and those who actually life a hand are entitled to a fair share of the profits... even the older style Liberals knew that and accepted it totally.
    Hoohoo
    21st Dec 2019
    8:24pm
    VCBB goes berzerk if you use the word "social" because the next thing you say might be "social justice".

    For VCBB, he thinks both terms mean communism. He just said "Social security is just a fancy name for welfare." with the implied derogatory meanings that go with welfare (unemployed bludgers, passengers with their hands out for his taxes, single parents, etc.), you know, riffraff burdens on society.
    elephants
    6th Dec 2019
    11:09am
    This is sooo disgraceful. Withthem letting THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ALSO BRINGING IN TRADE PEOPLE TO DO JOBS & NOT TRAINING OUR PEOPLE OF COURSE THE FIGURES ARE GOING TO BE HIGH. THEY NOW PAY CERTAIN PEOPLE FOR MULTIPLE WIVES & ALL THEIR CHILDREN REFUGEES GET MORE THEN PENSIONERS
    EVERYTHING IS FALLING BY THE WAYSIDE SCHOOLS ,HOSPITALS A SIMPLE CAMERA DOWN THE THROUT WAITING 15 MONTHS + TRAINING OUR YOUNG HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH MASSIVE HOOPS TO GET THINGS OH THE LIST PILES UP & UP & UP.
    THEY ALL NEED TO GET OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD NOT FOR AN HOUR MAKE IT A MONTH & LIVE OFF BASIC WAGES & SEE WHAT THE NATION HAS TO COPE WITH.. WALK IN OUR SHOES....ALL THE CRAP THAT THEY CARRY ON IN CANBERRA PUT THAT INTO SAVING THIS COUNTRY
    Rocky
    6th Dec 2019
    11:11am
    I think it would be a lot cheaper to just shoot us what's a bullet worth these days?
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:29am
    You can't get a gun - Howard's Way... The Assassination of Jesse James Gun Owners by the Coward John Howard... a film noir, an Australian Parliament Production...

    Now only criminals have guns... and that often includes those in the 'law' profession, not to mention few crazies I've met who somehow get through the hoops ... or have illegal firearms ... had a neighbour like that at the property - mad as a hatter, had the cops called time and again for theft and assaults, somehow never copped a charge, had unlicenced firearms and explosives and connections with other crazies, stole water from the creek and copped trouble over that, etc... and this moron had a gun licence...

    WTF?
    Nerk
    6th Dec 2019
    11:19am
    I saw a pensioner enjoying their fortnightly coffee, this behaviour must stop, I pay my taxes for food not enjoyment.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:26am
    Good they got a free one at the golden arches.
    Misty
    6th Dec 2019
    3:54pm
    Tongue in Cheek I hope Nerk.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    7:54pm
    Ha ha ha.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    7:54pm
    Let them eat cake............
    Haggis
    6th Dec 2019
    11:27am
    We all seem to forget that most of us paid our taxes for many years to receive a pension , its a right not a privilege, watch the pollies take a pension after only a few years , not 45 years like most of us , c,mon Australia look after your oldies
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:03pm
    Retirees still pay tax - tax is not limited to income tax..... you pay every way every day... including GST on your rates etc while you are swanning on the Riviera etc...ski-ing at St Moritz ... cruising your 200 foot yacht on the Med ... touring Canada, The Rockies and Alaska First Class - doing the Edinburgh Military Tattoo at... Edinburgh, in between lunches at The Palace ... trekking the Himalayas ... all the things pensioners get up to ...
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:18pm
    If you are paying GST on your rates then you are being rated wrongly as there is no GST on rates.
    Misty
    6th Dec 2019
    3:57pm
    My rate notice says GST $ 00.
    Circum
    6th Dec 2019
    5:23pm
    Well there you go Misty.The government even stole the GST from your Rates.
    Circum
    6th Dec 2019
    5:23pm
    Well there you go Misty.The government even stole the GST from your Rates.
    Triss
    6th Dec 2019
    6:56pm
    Yes, Haggis, established in 1945 to hold income from a special tax levy collected from wage and salary earners and was used to pay the cost of pensions. The pension was bought and paid for and a right not a touch your forelock handout.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    8:03pm
    damn - it's beginning to look like I've made my first slip in discussion here... buggar.. oh, well..
    101
    8th Dec 2019
    11:42am
    Please show me the calculation that supports your argument that your pension was Bought and Paid For.
    I believe 7% of a working persons tax was once put into a special fund.
    So show me the figures that your 7% of the tax you paid shpuld be enough to fund your retirement, then add the millions that did not pay tax and still are supported by the ever decreasing workforce.
    David
    6th Dec 2019
    11:27am
    And just what is our “illustrious” [mis]government planning on doing with their newfound wealth?

    Why, further fill their already overly bulging wallets with even MORE of OUR money, that’s what - you mark my words.

    Keep in mind, these are the filthy, greedy bastards who stole our pension and welfare fund in the first place.

    In 1946, the then prime minister set up a pension and welfare fund, financed by the contribution of 7.5% of the working people's taxable income, to be kept in a separate account from general revenue and to provide for the retirement and welfare needs of contributors.

    However, by about 1950 there was so much money in the welfare fund account, Bob Menzies and his fellow politicians couldn't keep their greedy paws off our money. They transferred all the existing funds into general revenue, which was never repaid. All the while retaining the contributions from workers.

    In about 1970, Malcolm Frazer transferred the then balance of the welfare account into general revenue and the contributions the same to the same destination. He then closed the welfare account.

    In 1983, Bob Hawke repealed all the legislation relating to the welfare account, claiming it was no longer relevant.

    Recently, our current PM (among his other (furphies) has claimed the pension and welfare fund never actually existed. Unfortunately for him, the Hansard record, which is a publicly and available record of all that has occurred in parliament since it’s inception in 1901, tends to completely disagree with him.

    If you’re in any doubt, look up the Hansard for yourself...
    Spud
    6th Dec 2019
    12:57pm
    You are correct ! Thank you for a reasoned reply .
    Triss
    6th Dec 2019
    4:22pm
    And I have a letter from Leader of the Opposition, Parliament House, dated 28th November, 1989 that states in the first paragraph

    "The National Welfare Fund was established in 1945 under the Income Tax and Social Welfare Services Act to hold the income from a special tax levy to pay for social services. The levy collected from wage and salary earners was used to pay the cost of pensions. Current funds collected in excess of current requirements were allowed to accumulate."

    And it is signed, on behalf of Andrew Peacock, by James Porter MP, Parliamentary Secretary.
    thommo
    6th Dec 2019
    11:31am
    Our number one priority at the next election is to get rid of this cruel unethical and inhumane LNP government....They're a bunch of moronic bastards..
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    11:40am
    Not a chance with Labor's unfair policies.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:07pm
    Perhaps not so much unfair as misguided - they are, after all, in the hands of the 'feminists' and are subject to every other whining group in society at this time... I'd like to say their hearts re in the right place, but like any politician, they have no heart to speak of, and while ever they are self-bounded by politics of division and policies of exclusion to suit whinging minorities and women - they will never be a viable party for THIS Nation - and that's not even looking at their endless ties to 'the global economy' that is destroying civilisation and nations, and their own blatant self-interest in securing money for life out of a free ride.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    7:57pm
    I seem to remember you consistently bagging Labor out for the past couple of years thommo. Have I got that right?
    Anonymous
    7th Dec 2019
    11:55pm
    I bag both 'sides' of the Tag Team....
    Blinky
    6th Dec 2019
    11:35am
    Yes, migrants should have longer waiting periods to start getting welfare money.
    Ted Wards is also right in suggesting cuts to politicians' pensions. They should also have an asset n income test to get it and it should not be so high. They should only get a pollies' pension after serving a minimum amount of time.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:11pm
    Migrants are supposed to be viable before they can come here... so they say .... or have sufficient support in place that they do not require assistance via social security etc.

    Refugees are in a different category.... if we accept them, we accept an obligation to feed and house them since many arrive with nothing... if they are vetted and approved for settlement here - we are obliged to take care of them until they are on their feet...

    Even my GP - a lovely lady and excellent doctor from Sri Lanka for whom I travel over an hour each way - is cautious about such things as moving to our lovely seaside town, due to the costs ... she retains that mindset of living and growing up in a poor country... even though she is now in a good spot...

    I suppose she just doesn't accept that the good times will always be here... and she's right there...
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:16pm
    No politician should serve more than two terms, due to collapse of morality and steady descent into slovenly surrender to loud voices ...etc... and they should all be on the same super system as everyone else, and not receive it until the same age.

    Many of them run their businesses and 'careers' while sitting in Parliament - all the 'justifications' for handing them lifetime perks have long ago vanished - it's not as if Morrison and Co will all just go on the bread queue when they are dis-elected - they'll go straight to an existing position they hold now or will cop one straight away - another shiny-arse job for doing nothing at huge remuneration.

    No justification for any perks there... same with labor, of course... I recall they felt a 'need' to find a job for Susan what's-er-name after her electorate booted her - so they slotted her into some nice little manufactured lifetime earner with great perks.. same with the great and unlamented Sophie in Liberals...

    We, the taxpaying electorate, have zero requirement to continue to fund our employees after they have been sacked... nobody else gets that sweet treatment... and it is only hubris that has permitted this cancer to grow.
    Blinky
    6th Dec 2019
    11:35am
    Yes, migrants should have longer waiting periods to start getting welfare money.
    Ted Wards is also right in suggesting cuts to politicians' pensions. They should also have an asset n income test to get it and it should not be so high. They should only get a pollies' pension after serving a minimum amount of time.
    tisme
    6th Dec 2019
    11:53am
    why dont they bring euthanasia in and put us all down , they dont have the guts for that they get thier thrills out of making people suffer. but they do what they do cos they know they can
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    12:17pm
    We should reverse that... bring back the rack!
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:00pm
    The short answer tisme is because they need us to make their money. I refer you to Eddie Murphy in one of his movies - "if shit were worth money black people would be born without *rseholes". Crude but pretty well sets the rules for all us plebians. We're good for one thing only and need to be fed on a diet of abuse, underpayment, royalty and sport to keep us under control.
    And you wonder why I hate the current government with a passion? Work it out guys.
    Janus
    6th Dec 2019
    11:54am
    I don't know what you are all whinging about.

    According to the data, more than half of our voters support this Government, so as we live in a democracy, suck it up. What most of you do (correct me if I'm wrong) is have a whinge on this and/or similar forums, then get over it and do othing else. I say: if you don't like what they are doing, yell and shout at your local federal member, send furous emails to the appropriate mininster, write to your local paper, hold/organise/attend protest meetings, and generally spread the word to everyone that you have such-and-such opinion.

    I do these things, and I am pleased that some of the pollies actually seem to take notice and respond. Of course, when the S hits the F, I will be first for the chop. Don't care. Fascism, preying on the meek and weak, and authoritarian bullying must be stopped.

    Does anyone read history? Look up Germany, dated 1934. Similar? Be afraid.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:02pm
    Correct Janus. When Labor announced the franking credit attack many in our community changed their vote. Spineless sheep waiting to be slaughtered. They got their wish.
    Captain
    7th Dec 2019
    4:29pm
    Mick, you may find that many changed their minds when Labor changed their minds about the Franking Credits. First everyone would lose the credits, then the change to those receiving the pension would keep the credits, then those working would keep the credit and those with mega dollars would keep the credits. The only one group to not keep the credits were SFR's. They are the people who changed their minds. In the end the original policy may have been correct but to change policy so often and then end up discriminating against one section of the community will never win votes.

    Why take away from those that do not receive a govt pension? They are the very people the govt should leave alone.
    Anonymous
    7th Dec 2019
    11:59pm
    Those policy changes were the result of an inability to 'sell' the policy.... simple as that... which raises questions about the merits of the 'leadership' ... and the potential leadership of the nation...

    People were right to be concerned over a party that waffled through what is a simple exercise.. Labor self-destructed because they did not know their product sufficiently well to sell it...

    And I will add that their addiction to feminism and minority politics - politics of division and policies of exclusion for those not in the chosen groups - is always at the back of the minds of the electorate... people want to be represented by the people they choose - not by someone playing with a loaded deck as a policy...
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:40am
    Entire so Janus. It's almost as if the Conservatives got hold of Hitler's Berling 1934 Handbook and are governing from the pages of it working their way through one policy after another.

    Even Dutton's Blackshirts are with us now.

    Why over half the population support fascism is the scary part. Then again the German people thought the fascists were amazing too until they were starving with the buildings burning around them.

    Nothing more frustrating than history repeating and proving we didn't learn the lesson the time before.
    80 plus
    6th Dec 2019
    11:58am
    why not get rid of all red tape and bureaucracy by giving every body a pension and have only one income tax rate of 20% along with the G.S.T. with no tax rebates, refunds, allowances, a.b.n. fiddles etc, good by center link, dodgy accountants and a scaled back tax office
    Haggis
    6th Dec 2019
    12:34pm
    Here here
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:03pm
    Sounds like what most other (civilised) nations do. I have a wealth mate in America who was spitting chips because he HAD to take a pension despite not wanting it. Of course Australia is different. The current government and its class war are seeing to that.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:43am
    Unfortunately Mick I think you'll find it is Labor with hatred of anyone with savings, shares, bonds , property that caused a lot of the legislation that destroyed a universal pension. Even if it was Whitlam who introduced in back in the 70s.
    Triss
    6th Dec 2019
    12:17pm
    Well the government has given a contract to Infosey to overhaul CentreLink, something like $1billion. The money has to come from somewhere and the poor and vulnerable don’t have as much power to fight back as the rich and richer.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:45am
    Yes Triss and I expect the Welfare Card will be rolled out to all soon as there is a lot of money to be made with it. Not to forget the donations from businesses included on the card.

    The Government has a majority thanks to the last election and they are going to push their far fight agenda as hard as possible.
    inextratime
    6th Dec 2019
    12:28pm
    A great way to lose the next election. While OAP's may not have the numbers, their accumulated offspring would join them to tip the balance. If you want to save money Mr Morrison, cancel the billions of dollars being spent on diesel powered submarines that will be out of date before they are launched.
    Funkee
    6th Dec 2019
    1:19pm
    Spot on mate. Those ridiculous submarines are even outdated before construction even starts. They will go down as possibly the greatest waste of money ever, oh, except maybe for the NBN, or the F-35's, or the gazillions of overseas aid, etc. etc. ad nauseam.
    But as long as we have two party politics we'll always have crooked UN loving kow towering, butt kissing politicians. Doesn't matter which wing, left or right, it's the same bird.
    But good old dumb aussies will ignore the minor parties and keep on voting them back in again and again, and keep right on bitching about how f***** things are. Welcome to the dumb country.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:06pm
    Don't underestimate how many of us there are, and growing, inextratime.
    Shorten lost the election because his franking credit policy targeted retirees. I've discussed that above.
    I wrote to Shorten and warned him he would lose the election if he did not dump the policy. Sadly arrogance reigned and the results are what they are.
    Sundays
    6th Dec 2019
    12:47pm
    So you are the breadwinner. You’ve got a little put aside and through no fault of your own you lose your job. While you are stressed looking for another one, your family is plunged into poverty as you use up your savings just to survive. How are people supposed to recover? The Government believes it’s own rhetoric about Jobs and growth. The good, stable jobs just aren’t there. I’m so disheartened
    Tood
    6th Dec 2019
    2:01pm
    Yes, absolutely disgraceful, if you are entitled to unemployment or newstart etc why do you have to be down to your last dollar before they start paying, outrageous! filthy rotten politicians need to be culled, scum of the earth
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:08pm
    The jobs mostly available are casual jobs. Most are only around 4 hours a day. No accident Sundays. Its a contrived plan to rout the workforce and turn it into the slavery model the US has. Business has been crying out for this since the Howard era and its now here.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    Farside
    7th Dec 2019
    1:19pm
    Sundays asks how are people supposed to recover from using up savings? For many, you don't and have to adjust to a new normal. As you say the good, stable jobs just aren’t there.
    Incognito
    8th Dec 2019
    1:33pm
    Yes Mick and in the USA there are many people with jobs living in their cars, with no chance of getting ahead and you wonder why there is so much addiction to anti-depressants.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:53am
    And Frydenberg is surprised people are saving their money instead of spending. I despair of any sensible policy or empathy from these over paid fools.

    Every policy change has contributed to lack of confidence to spend as the welfare net is cut into pieces. It seems we are on our own and must look after our own just like other third world colonies of foreign investors who strip countries of wealth.

    One example is coal mining. Of the $54 billion in profits the NSW share of revenue is less than the collection from civic fines eg traffic infringements etc. Only 0.05% of the people are employed but we subsidise the water extracted to an unknown amount as that is commercial in confidence. The water alone is possibly worth much more than we make from the coal.

    The profits all go overseas to the foreign investors.

    Our Government is not governing for us at all.
    Funkee
    6th Dec 2019
    12:54pm
    VeryCaringBigBear, I have to say that your chosen non de plume is at odds with the sentiments you promote in this forum. You appear to be a huge supporter of all thing LNP and i fear you cannot offer an unbiased opinion on things political. How anyone, especially an OAP, can sit there and actually support the govts. plan to make further cuts to the already meagre pensions is beyond me. Never mind the nuts and bolts of the plan, it is the principal that is so wrong here, but you are in lock step with it. I cannot fathom your reasoning unless you are an extremely well off pensioner, or a tigh wad, mean spirited old codger that doesn't want anyone to have something that you can't or for some petty reason don't agree with. Most welfare recipients are very poor, as are the majority of OAP's, but you are happy to take from the poor and give to the over bloated rich. There are a hundred and one ways the govt could claw back a few million $$$, which is chicken feed in the over all financials of the govt. As Ted Wards suggested, a good place to start would be cutting the ministerial pays, especially the PM. We have the highest paid pollies in the world and probably the most inept, uncaring, heartless and even traitorous bunch to boot. Why in Gods name would you agree with cutting pensions and welfare when there are so many areas they could pull a few mill out of. For goodness sake leave the bloody pensioners alone!!! Australia already has the harshest, meanest, and most complicated welfare system in the world that is renowned for causing suffering,heartache, grief and suicides and you want to make it worse. You are not caring Mr Big Bear. not very caring at all.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    1:07pm
    None of the above cut backs will affect poor people at all. If you have lots of liquid assets you will have to wait 26 weeks. So I guess it is OK to give Newstart to someone who has just been given 72 weeks pay for being made redundant.

    If you can afford to go overseas then you don't need the GST supplement.

    If you have only just arrived in this country why should the taxpayers fork out welfare to you?
    Triss
    6th Dec 2019
    4:54pm
    Yes, Funkee, politicians justify their salaries by saying ‘pay peanuts get monkeys ‘ in actual fact it’s ‘pay gold-plated and get fat, lazy asses’.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    8:05am
    They plan to make people use redundancy pay. This is possibly about the public servants they are ditching over Christmas. This Government hates unionists so badly they do not care who else gets hurt in the policies dreamed up to hit union retirees hard.

    It's not about the poor. The Government doesn't give a rat's about them. They are just an inconvenience that has to be paid for with as little as possible. But stopping Labor and punishing the unions or unionists is in their blood.

    The poor are what would be called collateral damage .
    Anonymous
    10th Dec 2019
    11:22am
    You already have to wait the number of weeks you have been paid redundancy before you get welfare. If you are paid 72 weeks redundancy you don't get welfare until after you have waited 72 weeks.
    Aussie
    6th Dec 2019
    12:55pm
    WTF..... As I say many times before this shit goverment will be happy when we are on a box or burn out..... What a shit people.....total garbage people they have no idea what living on the edge …….???? Will there pensions reduced??? I do not thing so there will be some paragraph on the legislation that will allow them to keep all ...what a shit rubbish goverment we have......
    Have a look at her Minister Anne Ruston…. The creator of all this suffering and constant discomfort for all of us that work so hard for so long ….. Neither she nor most of the politicians give a shit about us …….. But this is the country we live beautiful place shit government .
    I will thanks those who voted LNP I hope they cut or remove all our franking credits see how you feel .....
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:10pm
    Yeah....the greed and betrayal will come back to haunt us all. This government is after scalps. Not the wealthy but everybody else. What you say may well come back to haunt those who sold the country out.
    panos
    6th Dec 2019
    1:07pm
    Morrison and the LNP's next job is free green dreams for everyone over the age of 65... That way he will free up housing stock and hospitals, age care homes. On forward estimates will save over 90 Billion dollars in a 3 year period. Pollies just passed a law they are exempt from the needle for life.
    patti
    6th Dec 2019
    1:25pm
    Surely pensions and especially Newstart benefits cannot be cut any more? I am barely squeezing by now.....what a disastrous idea. I understand why some are worried about their franking credits, but try living on only the pension if you are still paying a mortgage for instance. Or Newstart if you are a renter......the Libs will be signing their own demise if this goes ahead
    Heart of the Sunrise
    6th Dec 2019
    1:51pm
    This government gets more evil and disgusting by the day.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:13pm
    I'm glad you understand Heart of Sunrise. Please convince the greedy and mentally challenged amongst us that their actions has put many of us in an increasingly precarious position.
    Evil is the right word. This government with its Howard era leftovers who could never accept they were not wanted gets worse by the day. As I keep saying a dictatorship is coming.
    Joy Anne
    6th Dec 2019
    1:54pm
    Totally agree Ted Wards. This government keeps attacking the most vulnerable. Pensioners etc need More for rent assistance since they can't provide housing for us. Rents keep going up $10-20 per week not 10c or so increases given.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:14pm
    The people affected by these policy changes are anything but vulnerable.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    8:12am
    It won't affect you only those with savings that can be sold such as term deposits, deposit accounts, shares or bonds, even possibly rental property. The forced sales of those may become an issue if the economy tanks though I suppose. The unknown consequences.
    Aquarian
    6th Dec 2019
    1:57pm
    My wife and I cannot figure out why they do not first go after those who are wroughting the system. A friend of ours has a son in his thirties who is an ongoing junkie. This year he was placed on the Invalid Pension. He has now applied for and received the Insurance component of his Superannuation to the tune (we believe) of $400,000. In the meantime he continues to receive the Invalid Pension. How hell is this possible ?
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:20pm
    If you are a junkie then you qualify for the invalid pension and probably the NDIS as well.
    sunnyOz
    6th Dec 2019
    8:50pm
    Welcome to the world where those who work hard, save and do the right thing get penalised, and the bludgers who abuse drugs - and the system - get rewarded. I have a sister who would win the Oscars for her ability to use and abuse the system. At least 25 years ago, she got onto the DSP - solely due to lung damage (caused by chronic smoking) and obesity. Has stayed on it ever since. When her kids were younger, she would know the charities to go to and get free holidays. Twice went to the Gold Coast, from Melbourne. She got all her dentures free - mine cost nearly $7500. She knew every lurk in the book.

    The biggest gall was that upon our parents death, she appealed her share, and actually got MORE - because she 'needed it more'. My brother and I - because we had worked our butts off, studied and never bludged - were the losers. And that wasn't because we were multi millionaires or anything. We had both bought run down dumps, worked to do them up, and we both still had a mortgage. My sister lived in a Government 3BR house - still does, well after the kids have gone.
    Incognito
    8th Dec 2019
    1:37pm
    So we would be better off becoming drug addicts then?
    Incognito
    8th Dec 2019
    1:40pm
    And it is people like your sister who give all those on welfare a bad name. And also the public housing system needs an overhaul, why should a single person have a 3 bed house when there are families in need? There are also some who are now working but still in public housing, how is this allowed?
    Aquarian
    6th Dec 2019
    1:59pm
    We also know of a couple both of whom are on the Invalid Pension. Because he has Anger Issues and we have no idea why she is on it because she appears to fine.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:24pm
    I know of one lady who has a daughter in her mid twenties who gets $250,000 from the NDIS as she has a job and can't leave her daughter alone in case she kills her self.
    johninmelb
    6th Dec 2019
    2:22pm
    And we're off and running again. Same tired old arguments you have posted time and time again. Don't you ever get sick of posting the same stuff every few weeks when this tired old subject comes back on regular rotation.

    Nothing has changed since the last time we discussed it, nor the time before that, or the time before that. Does it ever occur to you that there is a reason for that?

    The current muppets are not interested, nor were the Labor party when they were in power. THEY DON'T READ THIS STUFF. It is only the same tired old hacks who write over and over again on this site. There is nothing new.

    GET IT INTO YOUR THICK SKULLS - NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE UNTIL WE MAKE IT CHANGE. AND SIMPLY VOTING IN AN ELECTION TO CHANGE A GOVERMENT WILL NOT FIX THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE GO TO PUT THE FEAR OF GOD INTO ALL CURRENT AND FUTURE POLITICIANS THAT WE WILL NOT BE TREATED LIKE THIS.

    SO GET OF YOUR BACKSIDES AND DO SOMETHING - OTHER THAN WRITING ON YLC. THAT'S NEVER GOING TO SOLVE ANYTHING AS YOU HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST HOW EVER MANY YEARS THIS SITE HAS BEEN RUNNING.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:39pm
    I send lots of emails and letter to our pollies on all sorts of issues. I do see quite a few xhnages from the suggestions I make to.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:16pm
    People do need to vote with an understanding rather than believing the media mogul propaganda rags. That's what many do.
    Also, Labor and Greens want to introduce a REAL federal ICAC. The current government wants to bring in such a body but run it in house so that nobody can see the results and/or whether independent investigators handle issues. Its corruption at work.
    floss
    6th Dec 2019
    2:22pm
    To those pensioners that voted for this mob you have unleased a monster and have sent this country back to the dark ages.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:25pm
    Better than the one that lost the unlosable election though.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:26pm
    Says the LNP troll.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:50pm
    ROGL
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:18pm
    Well written floss.
    Shorten may have been a genY simpleton but he came across as honest. Morrison was already well understood and only sheep could have thought he was a decent guy. All the media BS was the way two media moguls got their man in. It worked.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    2:33pm
    Mick I said werks before the election Labor would lose it. The writing was on the wall for Labor for all to see it hey took off their blinkers.
    cupoftea
    6th Dec 2019
    2:37pm
    Hello another state of America so that pathetic leader of this country thinks, I need protection for my family who the f..k does he think is I need a plane,just like my mate I need secret service just like my mate another week goes bye and they have done nothing for the country I would like to say what I think but you can go to jail to say what you think whole country down tools
    Mark
    6th Dec 2019
    2:51pm
    The headline and opening statements are inflammatory and misleading. They give the impression that all pensioners will be affected, which is not the case.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    8:12pm
    .. when they came for the Unionists.. I said nothing...
    when they came for Israel Folau and the right to free speech or freedom of thought, I said nothing...
    when they came for the men in teaching, I said nothing ...
    when they came for the men in the public service, I said nothing....
    when they came for the boys in the schools, I said nothing,
    when they came for the young men in universities, I said nothing

    .....now that they are coming for the pensioners, there is nobody left to say anything...

    6th Dec 2019
    2:56pm
    Just go to the popular takeaways and see the trailer trash lined up,,single mothers with expensive cellphones and all seem to have cars,Do they ever read to their kids ?? The time will come when the trumps and Xis of this world will get the knife out
    I did my bit for humanity when I was 24 with a painless vasectomy
    Incognito
    8th Dec 2019
    1:43pm
    Although I don't necessarily agree with your comment, I often wonder why the Government keeps paying baby bonuses.

    6th Dec 2019
    2:58pm
    60 % of us in western countries never paid enough to justify any pension or welfare at all
    Dont forget schools ,education ,roads and PUBLIC SERVANTS EXPENSES
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    3:46pm
    I'd say most of those on welfare have not paid enough tax to fund their welfare.
    Triss
    6th Dec 2019
    4:08pm
    I'd say most of the ex pollies have not paid enough to fund their welfare/pensions but they seem to get away with it. Some of them left parliament in the 90's when they were still in their 30's so taxpayers have funded them for thirty years and will be funding them for another thirty years.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:18pm
    Triss tax has been paid on the pollies salary packages.
    Triss
    6th Dec 2019
    4:58pm
    By whom, VCB?
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    8:16pm
    Rread your Menzies statement... so your grandma isn't entitled to a pension because she didn't work for a living, except at home looking after the home and children?

    So the kid disabled from birth should be left on a frozen hillside with the wolves?

    Something very wrong with some of you people... in other places you'd be fairly labeled rednecks... and as dumb as ...
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    8:21pm
    That's strange gerry. People in other countries get a proper pension and are no different to us.
    Incognito
    8th Dec 2019
    1:44pm
    VCB, how do you know how much tax those on welfare have paid, many have worked for decades before being on welfare, after all over 50% are over 40 years old.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    1:50pm
    Very few people would have paid over a million dollars in tax over their working lives. That's how much many will get in welfare before they depart this mortal world.

    6th Dec 2019
    4:15pm
    Just typical of the incompetent LNP scum: they boost their own salaries and entitlements while cutting those of society's most needy and vulnerable.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:16pm
    Thes people affected are not needy or vulnerable at all.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:28pm
    Are you for real? People on Newstart are INCREDIBLY vulnerable. Spare us your LNP trolling.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:49pm
    Not if they have $300,000 in the bank.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    8:16pm
    ROFL.....
    Captain
    7th Dec 2019
    1:07pm
    VCBB, you are a very strange person.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    2:30pm
    So people with millions shoukd get Newstart. I dont think so.

    6th Dec 2019
    4:15pm
    Just typical of the incompetent LNP scum: they boost their own salaries and entitlements while cutting those of society's most needy and vulnerable.

    6th Dec 2019
    4:22pm
    Have you been watching "The cleverest child in Australia on SBS ? If you did you would notice that they are all Asians .. Nourished and encouraged by their parents,,,,pushed I dont thinks so,,,, they were all happy and jumping about between being quizzed
    I went to see some of the women in Bangladesh who had been loaned 100 dollars to make clothes for Mohammad Yunis,s co-opertive and I said to one lady "Now that you have made some money .""",i expect you will buy a motorbike to get to market > >? She said " no no I keep money for my children's education """My Shrilankan neighbor spent her weekends ferrying her ids to maths and piano lessons
    They weren't brilliant but by golly they have brilliant jobs and marriages now
    Come on Ozzie join the BFMEU and strike for more money so that you can send your kids to Bali for Schoolies week...,no wonder that we are at the bottom of the education table
    dont blame the government or the teachers, blame the parents,,,what !! give up their time to attend PTA meetings,i did and I was a peasant ,but both of my kids are billionaires
    Please excuse my peasant grammar ,I made it in the end "Thanks Mum and Dad
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    8:17pm
    Not always - I did the public service entrance exam in less than half the time and scored through the roof......

    6th Dec 2019
    4:37pm
    """All the best jobs in Orstralia are being swamped by Asians """


    Parents on mortgages and affluent things,spend like a tap and just out of their teens
    kids on lap tops and phones drowning in PAYDAY and Loans
    we,re all in it together Kardashians and debt
    consumerism will end and wont we regret
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    10:09pm
    Asians are driven through the education system and many have no real childhood. They deserve the jobs they get. Good luck to them. Australians could learn a lot from this culture. Dedication, sacrifice and hard work as a starter.
    SGW
    6th Dec 2019
    4:47pm
    I'd like to see every LNP MP and supporters, & some Labour MP's all drown in their own Greed.
    and we get a pension not welfare.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:56pm
    As the pension is only available to those who have no other means of support then it is welfare. A pension is where you have capital to exchange for an income stream. No one on the OAP has done this.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    8:18pm
    **snores**
    Jezemeg8
    7th Dec 2019
    12:36am
    VCB, I've posted this elsewhere but I will post again in response to your claim that "a Pension is where you have capital to exchange for an income stream."
    After my husband abandoned me and our 3 children I began working 16 hour days, 7 days a week in order to support and educate the children and keep a roof over our heads. I paid all taxes due! Then over 20 years ago I became very ill, and was declared by Government paid doctors that I was 'Too disabled to be safely employed'!!!
    Fortunately I was put on the DSP, because my 'Golden Handshake" from Universal Super (which only applied to the industry in which I worked in the very year I was forced to retire) was a whopping $1,000! Before Universal Super existed women often didn't qualify for any retirement fund!
    I don't drink, don't gamble, don't travel anywhere outside of the range of my mobility scooter, work on the streets among the street folk and homeless (voluntarily, again I can't get any job), have less than 10 cents left after every DSP day, it all goes sometimes within hours of coming into my bank account. I'm fortunate that my friends among the homeless and street folk share the proceeds of their dumpster diving with me. Yet I worked instead of claiming the single mother's pension, paid all of my kids school fees etc etc etc and now I'm about to be kicked in the teeth again by the LNP (for whom I didn't vote) and you claim that I don't deserve a pension only welfare.....
    Anonymous
    10th Dec 2019
    11:19am
    Good to see you are managing your welfare very well.
    gazza48
    6th Dec 2019
    4:55pm
    so did they mention any of this before the last election.NO because all they did was slam Labor for the franking credits supposed tax which was probably only affecting a few pensioners who had some shares but really slashing into those who were doing OK! So sick of these two faced politicians who say one thing and do another. Never seem to do anything to take away from themselves...
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:58pm
    These changes have been in the pipeline for a number of years now so they were mentioned before the last election.
    Farside
    10th Dec 2019
    10:29pm
    no surprise they did not mention it before the election as Morrison and others had no expectation, short of a miracle, that they would be returned. And now they believe in miracles and Bill Shorten.
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    10:48am
    I had no doubt that the LNP would win the election. However no one would listen to me.
    Farside
    11th Dec 2019
    3:36pm
    Bear, there were a few pragmatic heads that could not see where ALP would pick up votes to win seats. I thought ALP would likely have good protest votes in strong conservative seats and improve vote in their own seats but not enough to swing seats. In my mind Shorten was just too big a handicap. Hopefully given the extreme confidence in your prognostications you bet large on the LNP win.
    ellsmi
    6th Dec 2019
    5:02pm
    So....this Government pays billions for franking credits to mostly wealthy people - robbing the poor to feed the rich.
    MICK
    6th Dec 2019
    10:10pm
    Don't forget the large tax cuts coming to the wealthy. Money they have no need of other than greed.
    Farside
    10th Dec 2019
    10:32pm
    the wealthy would like to keep it that way whereas the poor are generally accustomed to life without excess and having to watch their pennies
    auzie3136
    6th Dec 2019
    5:58pm
    Your right Ted Wards I quite agree with you they are just looking after the selves and their greedy mates. They never deny themselves anything.
    Jezemeg8
    7th Dec 2019
    12:10am
    I was forced into retirement in the very year that Universal Super applied to the industry in which I worked. My 'golden handshake' was a whopping $1000, there was no retirement plan before Universal Super for women in most industries, it was considered that all women would be covered by their husband's super...too bad for those who are divorced or remained single!! Now I struggle to survive on a single DSP pension, there's no way of me getting any kind of employment, I have the words "too disabled to be safely employed" stamped on all documents pertaining to WorkCover, as soon as any employer discovers that say goodbye to employment with them. Politicians get a very lucrative pension paid from the public purse and yet once again those of us who are just getting by are screwed again! I'm fortunate in that I'm on the DSP which is more than Newstart but not by much. I worked 20 years, 16 hour days, 7 days a week before doctors paid for by the Government declared me 'too disabled'...paid all my taxes without complaint (how many pollies actually pay taxes???)
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    8:52am
    Do these changes affect you personally?
    ellsmi
    7th Dec 2019
    4:54am
    Jezemeg8 you are one of the “forgotten Australians” one of Howard’s phrases I think. He started this rot and Morrison et al are continuing his legacy. I wonder how they sleep at nights! I heard a woman complain before the election, one of the franking credits brigade, how she had $130,000 pa and she was going to lose $13,000 pa if Labor got in. She is just one of many. Their catch cry is “we have worked hard all our lives and paid taxes, we are entitled” yet someone like yourself who has worked hard and pay taxes miss out. There is someone seriously wrong with this country.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    8:56am
    That's $13,000 less going into the economy. If a million lose $13,000 then that's enough to cause a deep recession.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    11:15am
    If she earns $130,000 pa she will pay no tax asset will have enough franking credits to pay her tax. She won't lose any franking credits at all. It is those self funded retirees who earn only $20,000 who would have list all their franking credits under Labor. Labor's franking credit policy only affected low income earners many of who rely upon franking credits to make ends meet. Many of these people earn less than the OAP now and it was unfair Labor took more of their income away from them making it near impossible for them to live.

    Remember is you have franking credits you have paid tax as that i s the onky way you can get them. Franked income is tax paid income.
    GrayComputing
    7th Dec 2019
    7:57am
    NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
    A pension is not welfare.

    Now is the season for discontent, so do something about it!
    It is time to kill off this insane hugely expensive pensioner whacking bureaucracy.

    It is time for all of us (yes that means you) to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

    Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

    Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

    Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

    Even the UK and poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension, so it is cheaper and user friendly.

    Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

    Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be hassled by their crazed robo-debt scam and then waste even more time in the 3 million people waiting queues and more lost calls?

    We all (that means you) need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.

    Does your MP really like being part of the system that allows this indirect abuse of the elderly?

    This abuse is actually sponsored by our government and forced down to Centrelink and borders on a criminal act.

    Why do MPs normally compassionate persons let this Centrelink abuse happen at taxpayers’ expense?
    Farside
    10th Dec 2019
    10:37pm
    I wish I had a dollar for every time this post is pasted. But yep, let's cut the age pension by $5K to match NZ and give it to everyone.
    4b2
    7th Dec 2019
    1:49pm
    We shouldn't complain about this uncaring heartless Government. After all we voted them in.
    ellsmi
    7th Dec 2019
    2:48pm
    Well I certainly didn't and sadly my this government has exceeded my expectations in that they are hopeless
    Captain
    7th Dec 2019
    4:33pm
    4b2, less than 50% voted for this mob of cretins. And to be fair the other side are no better.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    8:52am
    Well it was the better of two evils.
    Farside
    10th Dec 2019
    10:40pm
    VCBB, evil is still evil. We got the government we voted for, tho the more progressive types in Victoria may well disagree with their redneck cousins in Qld and WA.
    cupoftea
    7th Dec 2019
    6:25pm
    On Monday they will throw something else out for us discuss so welcome to Dictatorship by stealth how many times did we hear last week the member not to be heard and the anti union ill could not be debated and the tosser has got extra security for his family he knows exactly what he is doing if this was a Democratic country you would not have to do that
    Life experience
    8th Dec 2019
    12:35pm
    Disgusted at Govt hitting the poor and and taking the perks themselves.
    Stop paying large pensions to politicians. Stop the perks. They look after themselves only.
    That’s why I don’t trust any of them. They are in it for the money not to look after Australia and Australians.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    1:47pm
    If you have a heap of cash in the bank and can afford to travel overseas you are not poor.
    Incognito
    8th Dec 2019
    1:14pm
    Yes we do need to raise Newstart, Youth Allowance and related payments immediately.
    https://raisetherate.org.au/
    Read the stories of those who are really struggling.
    Lower politician benefits, wages and pensions, collect tax from big corporations, stop all the funding to fossil fuels, and lift people out of poverty to make this country great again.
    All welfare goes straight back into the economy and most likely to some pollies too who own rental properties as investments. Raise rent assistance too.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    1:45pm
    This article has nothing to do with raising those welfare payments at all. It us about stopping those who don't need welfare from getting it.
    Andy
    8th Dec 2019
    1:43pm
    before elections, I said to stop this stupid 2 party shit or us pensioners are going to go further down the drain, has not taken long to prove me right, just imagine what we will have by the end of 3 years, the promise of them losing power is the greatest Allie we have.
    Anonymous
    8th Dec 2019
    1:46pm
    So how is it affecting those already on the pension? It is not.
    Alexii
    8th Dec 2019
    7:27pm
    We had checked with Centrelink before booking our long awaited overseas holiday. We asked if we'd permanently lose our Pension supplements if we were overseas for more than 6 weeks. No you won't - only after 6 weeks you will not be paid the supplement but then it will be reinstated when you come back home. If it were permanent we would have made it shorter. So we went ahead and booked our holiday for 9 weeks so we'll see the places we want to see without having to pay all those airfares again. Now it seems that we'll be losing our pension supplement. It shows how seniors are absolutely unable to plan. This government consists of rotten B...s who don't give a stuff about people on pensions.
    Farside
    10th Dec 2019
    10:46pm
    enjoy your overseas boondoggle and don't sweat it over losing the supplement. Clearly you have the funds to travel and experience places abroad. Life is too short to be a grinch and dwell on the slightest inconvenience. As you said the extra three weeks will let you see the places you want to see without having to pay all those airfares again.
    Alexii
    11th Dec 2019
    4:10pm
    Thanks for your reply, Farside. I certainly hope that it's not a permanent loss of the supplements as that at adds up a lot over the years. Yes, we'll enjoy the trip alright as it was something we planned to do in 2016 and had to cancel everything due to my getting cancer. (cured with surgery!) and then 2017 when again we had to cancel everything due to my wife getting cancer (hopefully she's clear of it permanently too but remains to be seen over the next few years). Both times travel insurance proved well worthwhile. So this year we "bravely" booked everything again for next year - keeping fingers crossed as surely it won't happen a third time!
    Farside
    12th Dec 2019
    12:20am
    Alexii, I understand you apply for reinstatement of allowances after you return. But good thing that you are going while you can. I know many who have postponed their travel only to find that life intervenes and travelling is no longer an option and it is then a source of regret. Also be aware that travel insurance can be problematic once you hit 80. Bon voyage.
    Rae
    9th Dec 2019
    7:03am
    Well it's not surprising. The Country is in a financial mess thanks to the last 7 years of mismanagement and privatisations allowing profit stripping by foreign investors.

    When they cut pension payments to hundred of thousands of self funding retirees nothing was surer than they would keep applying austerity measures.

    Still a lot of pensioners vote for this over and over so they must agree with Conservative policy.
    GOW
    9th Dec 2019
    10:02am
    QUESTION! Do these cuts etc., include those who are already on a pension of sorts and through change of circumstances have to apply or transition to Newstart or other type of pension?
    Crazy Horse
    10th Dec 2019
    1:51am
    More sheer bastadry by this cruel heartless Government. Morrison has been bashing pensioners for years. He wants us to work until we drop then die quickly.
    Anonymous
    10th Dec 2019
    3:20pm
    Those measures only affect those who have other means to support themselves.
    GOW
    10th Dec 2019
    4:16pm
    VCBB....You just don't get it do you? You seem to see everything through very foggy, one way, eyes/glassess/or personal opinion! Widen your thought scope and read ALL sides of the story/predicatments/situations/ of life! Those who live is glass houses/or are constantly looking through imaginary rose coloured glasses....SHOULD go to back to the drawing board....like our current govenment that are spending the Christmas break figuring out how much more than can make out of the unemployed, seniors, aged care pensioners and their carers .....the list goes on! Brace yourself ....next year is going to be worse for all....there is a recession on the way and the government is pinching pennies now to brace themselves for the barrage of welfare needed to get through it...without losing votes! HUH! My vote is already cast.....just show me the box I can put it in!
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    10:46am
    It's all crystal clear to me that those on welfare are now doing a lot better than those working for a living. Many people tell me that they can't wait to get on welfare as they will be so much better off. Yet all I hear is people whinging about not being able to live in luxury on welfare.
    Incognito
    11th Dec 2019
    12:39pm
    You are delusional VCBB, those on Newstart and Youth Allowance cannot even afford to food and rent. Why do you think crime has increased dramatically in the last 10 years?
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    1:47pm
    With youth allowance or newstart plus rent assistance people are actually doing very well. I myself spend les than they get and I live very well.
    Incognito
    11th Dec 2019
    2:14pm
    Rent assistance is very little, I think you are really not up with how hard it is for those renting. Please stop trying to say they are doing well when they are not.
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    3:09pm
    Of course you shouldn't be able to live a luxurious life on youth allowance or newstart but many people want to and whinge because they can't.
    Farside
    11th Dec 2019
    4:07pm
    Bear, now you are just winding up the punters to get a reaction. You would have to be either unaware of how much is paid for allowance or Newstart or a numpty, which you are not, to construe Newstart or Youth Allowance as doing very well, even with rent allowance.
    GOW
    11th Dec 2019
    11:45am
    LUXURY!!!!!!!!! HUH????? My husband and I must be getting ripped off by Centrelink, ah well not a day goes by when we get ripped of by some company, or a government department. What will be will be!
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    1:49pm
    No you are just living beyond your means. If more people live within their means and didn't live on so much credit then [ep[e; would not be ripped off so much with all the easy money flowing around today.
    GOW
    11th Dec 2019
    3:55pm
    By the sounds of it you live inside an abode with the lights off, no tv, no gas, no fridge etc etc and live in your PJs in a comfortable chair that you bought 30 years ago in front of your computer trolling every internet format that will accept you and only get up to answer the door when Meals on Wheels comes with their delivery!
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    5:25pm
    Meals on Wheels you have to be kidding me. I eat better food than that. It's also very expensive I believe as well.

    Also I sleep naked so no PJs for me.

    I only get invited visitors as I have an alarmed security gate to the driveway entrance of my property.
    GOW
    11th Dec 2019
    3:58pm
    P.S. WHAT'S CREDIT????? Haven't you heard about CASH mate.....it is the tool people on Welfare and Pensions use.....
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    5:27pm
    I never use cash myself as it's just so much easier to pay for everything with my credits cards and get all the benefits as well.
    GOW
    11th Dec 2019
    6:12pm
    Huh! Your response speaks volumes.........I just hope you don't have any dependants that will end up paying for your debts if an untimely demise occurs. I didn't talk about what you SLEPT in, I was talking about the supposed "comfortable attire" that you live in while you spend your days spoiling the internet for everyone else that are trying to have CIVIL AND SENSIBLE debates on current topics.
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    8:29pm
    My debts will die with me as there will be nothing left to pay them.
    GOW
    11th Dec 2019
    6:15pm
    PS. VCBB Goodnight and Merry Christmas! HO HO HO HO HO HO! you poor old thing.
    Anonymous
    11th Dec 2019
    8:27pm
    ROFL as I certainly won't be having a merry Christmas.
    vix
    15th Dec 2019
    11:25am
    Agree Ted. We should be informed about the cost of pensions for retired politicians and other high paid civil servants, but for some reason this is kept quiet, in spite of a number of requests.
    vix
    15th Dec 2019
    11:25am
    Agree Ted. We should be informed about the cost of pensions for retired politicians and other high paid civil servants, but for some reason this is kept quiet, in spite of a number of requests.
    vix
    15th Dec 2019
    11:25am
    Agree Ted. We should be informed about the cost of pensions for retired politicians and other high paid civil servants, but for some reason this is kept quiet, in spite of a number of requests.
    tobymyers
    4th Jun 2020
    11:48am
    The pension system needs a complete overhaul and I wonder why more people have not protested the inequity and discrimination of the current system.

    Maybe someone can explain to me why married couple are discriminated against .

    Okay don't trot out the two people can live cheaper than a single person because on examination this argument does not hold water.

    take this example ( I have rounded down the figures for simplicity )

    Married couple $1400 per fortnight and able to earn $300.00 before it effects their pension.
    Two single people living in the same house whether related or not but not in a relationship
    $1800 combined
    You can keep multipy this to make it 3 or 4 or 5 and you can see straght away how unfare it is.
    Married couple one of pension age one not .
    $700.00
    Married couple one of pension age one not and newly arrived .
    $700.00 or if appealed $900.00 depending on the restrictions placed on the immigrant.
    Blind freddy can see that this is not fair and I have not gone into the calculations for money earned by either party and how it effects the paid pension .

    I just can't understand why we are not paid a single pension ?
    Get rid of the married rate and treat every one as individuals and stop the discrimination based on a piece of paper.

    This would simplify the whole system make it equitable and get rid of checking cross checking and all the wasted hours of tax payers monet spent on policing.
    Alexii
    4th Jun 2020
    11:56am
    I agree with you, tobymyers. being in one of those categories, with my wife too young for pension, life is not easy at all for us. It would be nice to be entitled to a bit more as it would be if my part pension was based on single rate.


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