Will mooted Centrelink changes affect you?

As government funds for bushfire relief put the budget surplus in doubt, changes to the way welfare recipients report income have been proposed.

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With government funds for bushfire relief putting the budget surplus in doubt, and the robo-debt scheme in disarray after being ruled unlawful in the Federal Court, changes to the way welfare recipients report income have been proposed to cut costs.

The anticipated effect is that the government would save $2.1 billion over four years, sources report.

Welfare recipients could soon be required to report their actual fortnightly earnings to Centrelink, rather than providing a calculation based on their wage and hours worked.

A Newstart recipient with no dependents can earn up to $104 a fortnight and receive the full allowance. Income over this amount, up to $1075 a fortnight, reduces the payment by between 50 to 60 cents per dollar earned.

The full pension is paid to an eligible single who earns up to $174 per fortnight. A couple combined can earn up to $308 per fortnight before their pension is reduced.

Draft legislation underpinning the changes will be released for consultation this week and the government hopes to introduce the proposed laws when Parliament resumes next week.

Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says income reporting for welfare recipients will no longer be “confusing”.

“We want to make sure that Australians who need financial support are able to get the support that they are eligible for – no less and no more,” she says.

“The current system of calculating earnings can be confusing and lead to misreporting, especially when accounting for overtime or penalty rates.

“These changes will make accurate reporting much easier for people getting a social security payment.”

By simplifying the reporting system, the coalition hopes Centrelink payments will become more accurate and prevent welfare recipients being owed money or having to repay the government for being paid too much.

As part of the proposal, online payroll data will be used so that welfare recipients have their employment and income details pre-filled, as in online tax returns. The pre-filled information can be changed online or on a mobile phone app.

YourLifeChoices’ Retirement Income Review Survey 2019 found that one in five Australians aged 60-plus (19.62 per cent) worked either full or part time.

Do you believe the proposed changes will lead to less confusion?

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Wake Up
29th Jan 2020
9:28am
What about getting rid of self funded retirees having to apply for a Low Income Health Card EVERY YEAR
Mariner
29th Jan 2020
10:37am
That would make too much sense!
Greg
29th Jan 2020
11:10am
Yes....they send the renewal a few weeks before, insist that you must complete it by a certain short date then you......wait, and wait and wait..
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
11:58am
Should be a simple matter attached to tax return... if you fit the bill - you get - if not - you don't.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
12:11pm
I've always said that all retirees should get a Seniors Card etc... but then, I haven't gone through every nut and bolt in this idea... just more simple.
Hoohoo
31st Jan 2020
3:44pm
The Seniors Card is different to the (low income) Health Care Card that Wake Up mentioned.
My partner and I applied for it nearly 5 months ago, as our income is about the same as if we were pensioners (and has been that low for a few years now) and so we know we are eligible to receive it. We've had some health issues, including a couple of surgeries for my husband. It's embarrassing asking to be bulk-billed, especially for tests and procedures which he hadn't asked for, but referring doctors just presume he has a HCC because he's 66. That's why we applied - it is beyond our income or budget to pay for all this stuff. We rang Centrelink, asking why isn't it being processed and they said we've been put on the non-priority list for processing because we have savings in the bank. Not for much longer!

That's a great idea about it being attached to your tax return, TREBOR. It'd save heaps on red tape, reporting this and that, not knowing what box to tick, blah blah blah and all the time and stress wasted, for both staff and recipients.
mogo51
29th Jan 2020
10:17am
No i don't , basically because they are incompetent - they don't understand 'making something easy'. For a start, allowed earnings need to be substantially increased.
Oldchick
29th Jan 2020
10:33am
Exactly right, if they’re serious about getting older people back to some level of work they need to think about incentives to do so. They’re forever going on about it but all they do is keep taking money off the pensioners. As for Newstart recipients, $105 over their allowance before they’re slugged the 50c in the $!! Real brainwave that one, especially considering around 50% of Newstart recipients are over 50, probably because they’ve been made redundant or are too sick to work full time.
Mariner
29th Jan 2020
10:45am
Learn from Europe, give the oldies the pension and tax it together with all other income, work and investment. No means test and reporting required apart from your Tax declaration. My sister and her husband are 69 this year and still work, sister got her pension from 64 years of age and her husband from 65. He works 4 days a week and she's at call (normally 15-20 hours per week). They seem happy and reckon they have the money again this year to come to visit us and look around Australia/New Zealand. That is what I call incentive for older people to keep their interest in work.
johnp
29th Jan 2020
11:10am
Agree with mariner. Being SFRs there is a need to bring in universal aged pension and govt doesnt miss out cos rceives more tax plus gets rid of all the useless bureaucratic centrelink asset testing crap !!
WOW !! A whole $104 a fortnight. "Newstart recipient can earn up to $104 a fortnight before allowance affected" They would still have to search the gutter etc and compete with the wildlife for some tasty morsels.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
12:03pm
If they're serious about getting anyone into a job, they need to allow them enough funds to buy some decent clothes... and afford the travel at today's exorbitant privatised rates... let alone LOOK like they're well-fed at an interview , and not like some kid on a noodles diet.

Little Johnny's parent from Overview Hills send him to an interview in his own car paid for by dad's company, in his best gear and new shoes and such.... Peter Poverte` gets to show up in a pair of faded jeans, work boots handed down from dad, and on the train..... who gets the job?

Bringing in a Universal Pension carries with it a duty to pay income tax on all other income - it's not just another free handout...
leek
29th Jan 2020
10:19am
They should have been doing this forever, report what you actually earn, instead of the 2 weeks period that did not match with what you earnt if you did not have regular shifts etc. casual workers have been the big losers here. Now they can acuratedly report their income. This is now only possible as from last year employers now send the payroll details as soon as they are done to the ATO. not once a year like before. This should reduce the robo debt thing altogether.
sainter
29th Jan 2020
10:33am
Agree leek,this new system will or should help those people on casual jobs who had to estimate something that may happen,but in a lot of cases was impossible.Once again the Govt responding to something that was easy to fix yet it took them for ever to use commonsense…..no surprise.
sainter
29th Jan 2020
10:33am
Agree leek,this new system will or should help those people on casual jobs who had to estimate something that may happen,but in a lot of cases was impossible.Once again the Govt responding to something that was easy to fix yet it took them for ever to use commonsense…..no surprise.
Taragosun
29th Jan 2020
3:25pm
Probably part of the reason why they brought in Single Touch Payroll .. real time reporting to the ATO.
Triss
29th Jan 2020
10:28am
Well, it had to come, didn’t it. Government tax cuts mean a loss of revenue so, as usual, they’ll claw it back from the people who are the least able to afford it. Don’t even think of the ex politicians inhaling their corrupt, taxpayer-funded pensions while earning huge salaries from their various jobs. Don’t let’s cause terror in the government breast by making multinationals pay their fair share of tax.
Mariner
29th Jan 2020
10:54am
Multinationals DO pay tax just for some reason a lot of people have a go at them. It does not help making them pay more and more and thus getting them to shift somewhere else, taking all the jobs with them. Look at the Aussie companies that went to NZ because they were saving costs. Ireland gave tax holidays to big companies to provide jobs, when proper tax was payable the firms shifted to Poland. One goes to where one is better off. Reg Grundy probably did not shift to Bermuda for the climate alone, the place has no income tax whatever. Our own Norfolk Island was a magnet before it became part of taxable Australia a few years back.
johnp
29th Jan 2020
11:12am
Agree with triss
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
12:06pm
True as far as it goes, Mariner - but they also job and income-shift Offshore before they even get to their tax... they all owe billions to their parent company you know - and under company structures these are separate operating entities...

That's why we need changes to our company laws... as it is multi-nationals have all the perks to essentially pay nothing.... not a good look or a good result.
Retiring Well
29th Jan 2020
1:50pm
If you earn the money then it all should count towards what you get in welfare.
musicveg
29th Jan 2020
2:36pm
VCBB is back on board, people have been concerned where you went.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
3:52pm
We were concerned you'd been bushfired out or something.... we need you to keep us on the straight and narrow..
Hoohoo
31st Jan 2020
4:03pm
It seems crazy that people face very strict restrictions, have to jump through narrow hoops and be of a certain class and character to qualify to work in another country, yet corporations just freely move about wherever they like to avoid tax from profits derived in a different country.

I believe this is at the source of many of the world's problems. Corporations have been given the legal status as "entities", as people have, but corporations are given a whole lot of other benefits that individuals are denied. With ANY benefit should come responsibility. Genuine profits made from a country should be forced to contribute to that country's infrastructure in the form of tax on the profit, a bit like how a Royalty works - you take something: you give something back.
Steff
29th Jan 2020
10:46am
What happens when you work right up to your reporting date but dont get you timesheets untill the next Wednesday.In my case all the work i do is shutdowns and my hours and earnings are never the same and my work involves 3 different companies.
curaeus
29th Jan 2020
10:48am
These people are utterly incompetent. Anyone who has dealt with these hopeless politicians and their enabler Clink buffoons knows that.
inextratime
29th Jan 2020
10:53am
My housemate is 65 and is on newstart. Their rent is $200 per month. Cannot get a job anywhere near where we live That leaves almost nothing on living costs. Has to wait a year to get the OAP. If they earn over $174 a fortnight they get taxed 50% on the extra. Why? So that Scomo can past a surplus budget. Ho ho ho.
Mariner
29th Jan 2020
10:58am
$200 a month? $54 a week? That is bloody reasonable, a room above a pub here is $170 a week.
johnp
29th Jan 2020
11:16am
$200 a month? $54 a week is a lot less than $170 a week ??
Hoohoo
31st Jan 2020
4:07pm
$200 a month? I've never heard of such cheap rent in the last thirty years.
musicveg
31st Jan 2020
4:17pm
Maybe a 0 is missing and should be $2000 a month?
Dave R
29th Jan 2020
10:55am
About time. Having to guess your income was fraught with difficulties. Reporting actual income is the way it should always have been.
Dave R
29th Jan 2020
10:55am
About time. Having to guess your income was fraught with difficulties. Reporting actual income is the way it should always have been.
PlanB
29th Jan 2020
11:09am
Anne Ruston /Morrison and the whole darn lot are incompetent/ arrogant and heartless and have NO flaming idea what it is like to live in the real world -- how long did they deem us / or many to be getting 3.25% when we got nothing near it -- and try and write or email OR ring -- may as well forget it as these heartless Bs don't give a hoot.

So many of these mongrels have a LOT to answer for AND I hope they are ALL held to account!
Will be interesting to see what happens when paliment goes back next week.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
12:15pm
They're in the only job in the world where, if their employer sacks them for misconduct or incompetence, they are paid for life, and their own set of employees then go out of their way to find them another 'job'... amazing... read all about it in Amazing Stories.... alongside the incredible story of the crocodile that swallowed an airliner and the Aliens hiding within the Pentagon walls...
jug head
29th Jan 2020
11:21am
what they should do is chase up big business who dont pay any tax and the goverment will get that money back in a year Qantas dont pay any tax Amcor cartons dont pay any tax orgin power dont pay any tax theres over 100 business who dont pay any tax
PlanB
29th Jan 2020
11:28am
Also, all churches should pay TaX

So many opening up these days just so they don't have to pay any tax.
Aussie
29th Jan 2020
11:58am
Agree also all the other org's like Red Cross ???? why they do not pay some tax ???? and why they use the contributions for there own purpuse like Red Cross 11Millions .....wowowowowo the Seat warmers gov. is getting way out of control ....and we all pay for their retirement shit
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
12:16pm
You earn income - you pay tax.
Lookfar
29th Jan 2020
2:59pm
Also Jug head those big companies rarely gave to bush fire relief, and then only when it was tax deductible, - Parasites.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
3:54pm
I spent my own money doing bushfire victim relief - not even in line for a medal - don't need medals and don't want money anyway..
Hoohoo
31st Jan 2020
4:21pm
You're right, jughead. They are robbing Australia, IMO.

PlanB, maybe starting a religion is the only way to get special protection via Smoko's government? I really don't know how they can measure the worth of any religion against another, in light of the pedophilia recently exposed in established Christian churches and other crazy rubbish like Scientology and Flat Earthers. Maybe all this crazy poo religion is emerging, just so they can claim the no-tax status?
musicveg
31st Jan 2020
4:43pm
Yeah you wonder how many businesses, property and land is owned by charities, churches and sects that do not pay tax but use all the infrastructure.
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
1:08pm
And meanwhile they are fleecing their gullible congregations, taking their money more thoroughly than any hardcore fly-by-night snake oil salesmen.

Are they even obliged to declare donations? Even if so, cash donations could easily slide under the radar.
ex PS
29th Jan 2020
11:38am
Looking at this govrnments dismal history, I can see them spending 4 billion in order to save 2.1 billion.
This mob are not interested in saving money, what they are interested in is giving the perception that they are saving money.
I would not trust them to develope and implement even the simplest of schemes, theyvare simply not capable of it.
How much extra in damage claims is the robodebt dissaster going to cost us by the time it is cleaned up?
We can not afford to keep this corrupt, inept government in place any longer than we have to.
Horace Cope
29th Jan 2020
11:42am
The major fault with the Robodebt system was that people are paid weekly and the system was looking at an annual income and dividing by 52 to strike an average. This was always never going to be accurate. Reporting income fortnightly will mean that there may be adjustments made the following Centrelink pay period but it's certainly better than getting a letter a year or so later with a false accusation. The aim of any government legislation should be to disadvantage the fewest number of people.
Aussie
29th Jan 2020
11:55am
Here we go again .....We are the only way the goverment can save money ,,,,WTF is going on ...what else they are going to cut from us ?????

29th Jan 2020
11:55am
Social Security Recipients - now we can move on.. we don't have 'welfare' in this nation.

29th Jan 2020
11:57am
"Welfare recipients could soon be required to report their actual fortnightly earnings to Centrelink, rather than providing a calculation based on their wage and hours worked."

Well - blow me down - that should cut out about 90% of the 'rorting' that doesn't go on! How many decades has it taken Colonel C'Link to work out that a calculation in advance of payment is almost invariably going to be wrong? Then it's easy to blame the person forced to do such a stupid thing in advance...
sainter
29th Jan 2020
8:25pm
Exactly TREBOR,it's almost like Centrelink want people to make mistakes when they report income,and easy way of blaming people trying to do the right thing,but this Dept run by knuckle heads with a stupid system and it's not the only stupid system it's of many is expecting the impossible,but why be surprised Centrelink changes rules on the run and most people never hear of them until it's to late and you get hit with debit or some other please explain letter.
sainter
29th Jan 2020
8:25pm
Exactly TREBOR,it's almost like Centrelink want people to make mistakes when they report income,and easy way of blaming people trying to do the right thing,but this Dept run by knuckle heads with a stupid system and it's not the only stupid system it's of many is expecting the impossible,but why be surprised Centrelink changes rules on the run and most people never hear of them until it's to late and you get hit with debit or some other please explain letter.
Anonymous
31st Jan 2020
4:41pm
Indeed, Trebor! How many decades of payments to Consultants to figure out how to use Estimates, and the Robber-Debt system!
Maybe they could have reached the Surplus Budget earlier if they had stuck to Actuals!

29th Jan 2020
12:10pm
Amazing - simply amazing .. after all these years of public outcry and vilification of SS recipients all over the media as thieves and liars - suddenly the marvelous idea that asking people to report actual income would work better than demanding estimates in advance!!

That should pretty much put paid to Robber-Debt.

When is the National Apology coming? Just one of many required at this time to set the records straight....
Chris B T
29th Jan 2020
12:40pm
Any one over the OAP age, should be Allowed the First $50,000 Tax Free if Not Claiming OAP.
Reason, the Normal Tax Free Threshold plus Not Claiming OAP.
Part OAP the same With the Difference amount not being Claimed on OAP.
This Idea to work to you Drop needs to make it your worth while, otherwise just claim OAP.
Than there are those just can't make it without extra income with OAP.
ATO would only be needed.
midnight
29th Jan 2020
12:51pm
I work in film and TV. I'm 70. I get three or four jobs a year. For the past 10 years I have to continually explain that each job is one off, I will not be working next week, and that if I work for the same Production company in five years time, NO... I HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING FOR THEM FOR FIVE YEARS. Not every type of employment is covered with the Centrelink system. I am still paying back a job I did in 2013. I'm sure I have overpaid, but is it worth the stress anytime trying to fight a system where you get moved from pillar to post and nobody really knows what is going on. I actually feel for the poor staff who work at Centrelink. It isn't entirely their fault. With all the academics supposedly designing the system, one wonders where the education system is heading.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
1:18pm
Know it well - my kid's mother and my daughter are in the same industry.... on/off work...
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
1:20pm
Remember the young Greta Generation ABC reporter at the air crash down near Canberra? Said "I was told it collided with terrain, but I don't know what that means".... it hit the falcon ground, you moron!!
musicveg
29th Jan 2020
2:35pm
So true about the Centrelink staff they are doing a great job just trying to keep up with the rules and regs, the way it is all worded is mind boggling, you can see it all online, and it is what they read from.
Lookfar
29th Jan 2020
1:09pm
Some years ago I had a girlfriend from Bougainville, black as the ace of spades, wonderful person, very hard worker, picking and packing fruit, often the ringer, - but she had no idea how to fill in the forms, so I did.
- You get the payslip from the employer, fill in the fields as per the payslip, and it goes in, - no problem, - of course fruit picking very seasonal so different each time, but still, easy if you are not a girl from a jungle village in Bougainville, yet without our Pacific Islanders, who would pick the fruit?
Point is, is the govt trying to rip off our Pacific Islander people to save 2.1 billion,? is that real? - why not do an analysis on the companies benefitting from Tax Cuts? - much more than 2.1 billion there, or not waste money on the tax cuts in the first place?
Or, to get more accurate, why did they not work to stop the Global Warming that causes the bush fires in the first place?
Blame someone else, find a scapegoat, that is all the Govt can do, - perhaps excusable in a 4/5 year old child, not acceptable of the Govt of Australia.
Anonymous
29th Jan 2020
3:57pm
Where did my girl go? Rats.... I'm surrounded by rats... every day.. rats... (John Gotti, Mafia King-Pin now doing time)...
Kez
29th Jan 2020
6:03pm
Lookfar, that would have only been accurate if the girl from Bougainville completed her fortnightly work on say Friday 15th, received her payslip on Friday 15th (and it included income from Friday 15th) and her report date was the same day - Friday 15th.

In most cases, the fortnight ends, say, on a Friday, you get your payslip the following Wednesday (& it only gives income to last Friday), then you Report to Centrelink on the next day - Thursday - but you have to include income from Monday to Thursday as your fortnightly Centrelink cycle is Thursday last fortnight, to Thursday this fortnight. This is what happened in my case in recent years. I had to manually calculate my income earned Mon. to Thurs.
KSS
29th Jan 2020
1:11pm
Seems to me this would be a lot fairer, reporting what you actully earned and evidenced with a wages/salary slip. No chance of inadvertantly under or over estimating income and having welfare amounts change from fortnight to fortnight with the possibility of being overpaid. It would also tally with the ATO records at the end of the year!
Lookfar
29th Jan 2020
1:26pm
Yes KSS, this is exactly what is there at the moment.
"If it aint broke, why fix it?"
Steff
29th Jan 2020
1:37pm
What happens when the casual job you had happens on the last week of your reporting fortnight and the agency you work for doesnt do their wages till Monday or tuesday.It means you cant report an accurate income for the 2 or 3 or 4 days you might have worked.
KSS
29th Jan 2020
1:44pm
Well you can't do that now either you have to 'estimate' what you will earn. Reporting what you have actually earned is a far better option.
Lookfar
29th Jan 2020
2:50pm
Yes Steff, you are correct, - the system does not have the flexibility to deal with such simple things so you have to ring them up and explain, or just put in what you have been paid for and the next week it will catch up when you put it in then.
Of course they may short pay you as you earn't more that week because you coudn't put it in last week, but I am sure they have some in-house put down of workers to justify to themslves ripping people off.
I found it easier to let that stuff go But i would love to see those desk jockeys out picking fruit in the blinding heat so they could understand what ordinary people have to endure.
neil
29th Jan 2020
1:47pm
NO. Whatever this government touches is poison for O.A.Ps

Neil.
neil
29th Jan 2020
1:47pm
NO. Whatever this government touches is poison for O.A.Ps

Neil.
Retiring Well
29th Jan 2020
1:47pm
About time they linked payroll data with welfare payments to stop cheats.
ex PS
29th Jan 2020
2:45pm
That won't work, politicians don't declare the wellfare they get.
Triss
29th Jan 2020
5:23pm
You’re right there, ex PS.
older&wiser
29th Jan 2020
1:56pm
I sort of don't get this. For a few months after going on Aged Pension, I had a casual job. Every fortnight, I had to report the number of hours and the amount paid, for the previous 2 weeks. I always reported exactly what I worked and paid and my part pension was paid accordingly.
sunnyOz
29th Jan 2020
2:48pm
I'm with you - O&W. I did the same when I was on the Part Aged Pension. Last financial year, the statement I got from Centrelink matched exactly the gross amount on my payment summary from my employer because I advised actual amounts each fortnight. I never had to estimate, and was not aware anyone else was doing anything different. Thank heavens.
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
1:20pm
If you are paid fortnightly and the day of the week (in that fortnight) you get paid coincides with the same day you declare to Centrelink, AND your hours are constant, then that MAY be possible. You would have to receive your pay the same day you fill in your Centrelink claim. But it's not the case for most casual workers.

There's a one in fourteen chance of that happening, then add the likelihood you receive your pay that day, before you fill in Centrelink's form. I don't know how you did it, O&W and sunnyOz.
GrayComputing
29th Jan 2020
1:58pm
NO ASSET TEST FOR A PENSION EVER AGAIN!
A pension is not welfare.

Now is the season for discontent, so do something about it!
It is time to kill off this insane hugely expensive pensioner whacking bureaucracy.

It is time for all of us (yes that means you) to rant at our MPs and Senators daily to take action for human decency and a huge stress reduction for pensioners

Most economist say we will save taxpayers money by dropping asset testing because of the massive overheads cost in running Centrelink and the 10,000 conflicting rules.

Hiring more Centrelink staff will only increase taxpayer’s costs for processing the creeping insane red tape monster system politicians and well paid bureaucrats have created.

Help scrap it now. Become a hero.

Even the UK and poorer New Zealand has a NO ASSET pension, so it is cheaper and user friendly.

Why worry that few million$ earners get it too. That is peanuts to them, not enough for a good vintage champagne.

Do retired and retiring people really look forward and want 100++ visits to/from Centrelink and be hassled by their crazed robo-debt scam and then waste even more time in the 3 million people waiting queues and more lost calls?

We all (that means you) need to tell our MP and senators every day that these criminal asset tests for a pension must be dropped now.

Ask your MP do they really like being part of the system that allows this indirect abuse of the elderly?

This abuse is actually sponsored by our government and forced down to Centrelink and borders on a criminal act.

Why do MPs normally compassionate persons let this Centrelink abuse happen at taxpayers’ expense?
musicveg
29th Jan 2020
2:40pm
Just had a chat to the parcel delivery guy, he says he has enough super to retire but has to wait until retirement age. It would free up a job for someone who needs it. People on Austudy and Pensioners can earn more than Newstart recipients, why? Too many rules, and if they want to save money why not get rid of the Job Providers who are scamming the Government saying they are doing things to help the unemployed but all they do is stress them out more.
sunnyOz
29th Jan 2020
2:55pm
Retirement age is when ever you want it. There is nothing to stop you from retiring when ever you want. Perhaps you mean he is waiting for his preservation age (between 55 & 60 - depending on when he was born), before he can access his super, tax free.
Lookfar
29th Jan 2020
3:09pm
yes Musicveg, so many 'make work' jobs achieving little, - everyone wants a desk job but not many desk jobs genuinely needed, but when the brown stuff hits the spinning thing how many desk jockeys are out there fighting bush fires? = sfa..
sainter
31st Jan 2020
11:34am
Exactly musicveg,these job providers are the biggest waste of public money,they act as a centrelink watch dog,the rot and rubbish people have to listen to and put up with from these job providers is beyond belief.They help no one their main agenda is to get as many people they can on their books and then treat people like dirt,the sooner a Fed Govt gets rid of these bullies the better.
sainter
31st Jan 2020
11:34am
Exactly musicveg,these job providers are the biggest waste of public money,they act as a centrelink watch dog,the rot and rubbish people have to listen to and put up with from these job providers is beyond belief.They help no one their main agenda is to get as many people they can on their books and then treat people like dirt,the sooner a Fed Govt gets rid of these bullies the better.
musicveg
31st Jan 2020
1:10pm
I am glad you agree Sainter, they are just another business rorting Government funding. People are being treated like they are all dumb and stupid. Some are bending the rules or ignoring them. You can find a lot of stories on the Unemployment Union website. Making people re write resume's, attend boring courses, send them to jobs that they cannot do and won't get, the list goes on. Even those who know how to do everything themselves are not allowed to.So no brownie points for using your own initiative, they get the bonuses.
sainter
1st Feb 2020
12:32pm
I'll give you an example about a certain job provider that I never chose but had to put up with a couple of years ago.I went to on of their appointments,listen to an LNP political speech and thought why am I here putting up with this rot.But to top it all off when this appointment finished,the bully that I had to listen to said your next appointment is such and such a date,i replied i'm sorry can you change that date as someone very close to me is having surgery for possible or probably cancer on that day and I am taking this person to the hospital.The reply I got from this rotten heartless monster was.....we don't care you have to show up or i'll cut your payments.I said nothing even though I was shocked by the behaviour of this a---hole,so I went my local federal mp,he was absolutely shocked at the behaviour and actually went and spoke to the manager and this a---hole,well things changed then I got an apology from the manager and the a---hole,but I just could not return to this office after that.
sainter
1st Feb 2020
12:32pm
I'll give you an example about a certain job provider that I never chose but had to put up with a couple of years ago.I went to on of their appointments,listen to an LNP political speech and thought why am I here putting up with this rot.But to top it all off when this appointment finished,the bully that I had to listen to said your next appointment is such and such a date,i replied i'm sorry can you change that date as someone very close to me is having surgery for possible or probably cancer on that day and I am taking this person to the hospital.The reply I got from this rotten heartless monster was.....we don't care you have to show up or i'll cut your payments.I said nothing even though I was shocked by the behaviour of this a---hole,so I went my local federal mp,he was absolutely shocked at the behaviour and actually went and spoke to the manager and this a---hole,well things changed then I got an apology from the manager and the a---hole,but I just could not return to this office after that.
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
1:35pm
I heard they get a cut of your wage when you finally get a job, regardless of whether they helped you find it for you or not.

Typical of our Fed govt to outsource this service to private enterprise in the first place, but then be surprised when they act like brazen capitalists. You know why they do it? - it's so they can simmer the books to make it look like they have a Surplus. And bugger job-seekers - they don't deserve proper services like the CES used to provide.

Oh sainter, that's an appalling story! Glad you went to your MP. Make the bastards accountable for their horrible, entitled behaviour. Their attitude is intolerable. The more I hear about them, the more I'm determined to never put myself in their clutches.
musicveg
1st Feb 2020
4:48pm
You do not have to put up with anything by the Job Providers there are ways to complain and to check that they are following the rules. You also can change Job Providers if you are not happy with them.
And no Job Provider has the right to payment from your job, DO NOT ever give them details of your pay.
Tell anyone you know that you can call the Unemployment Unions anytime to ask questions.
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
6:25pm
Thanks, musicveg. I'm a babe in the woods regarding this, so it really helps to be pre-armed with information.

I've decided I'm going to go to Uni to study music, rather than try to navigate the older person on Newstart gig. It's something I always wanted to do but was steered into more academic studies instead of the Arts, which I'm passionate about. Never too late to follow my dreams, I reckon.
musicveg
1st Feb 2020
7:30pm
Fantastic Hoohoo good on you!. You might be able to apply for Austudy, or a student loan, get in early as it is a wait for processing. As you can see by my name I love music, use to play guitar and did some busking and amateur nights, but my guitar gentle weeps in its case. Have not found the spark yet but maybe one day, too many other things I have to do at the moment to keep my head above water.
Hoohoo
2nd Feb 2020
3:37pm
I found a really great choir a couple of years ago and have personally flourished ever since, with the sheer joy of singing again. My guitars and cello haven't peeped out of their cases in a while either but I've been singing solos in the choir plus public gigs and doing voice technique workshops.
And then I thought "Why didn't I learn more music when I was young?" and then I thought "I'm not too old to learn now." Hope I inspire you MV!
musicveg
2nd Feb 2020
6:20pm
That sounds great Hoohoo, never too late to learn and follow your interests and/or dreams. I admire your efforts, but I am not quite ready yet,as I said a little too busy at the moment, but it is on my bucket list.
Kez
29th Jan 2020
5:43pm
I just don't understand this. How can the Gov. save 2.1 billion dollars? After submitting your Tax Return, your details are matched with Centrelink details. If there is a discrepancy, ie. you received too much in payments from Centrelink, then either the amount was deducted from your Tax Refund or you were sent an 'Overpayment' letter. So I always thought they 'evened' it out if people under-reported. I remember this happened to me many years ago - I think they took they money from my Refund?? but I can't remember exactly. After that, sometimes I tended to over-report my income, not by much (if my estimated income was say $432.50, I might put $435.00). I never got a refund for over-reporting and I've never heard of any-one else getting one either. I always wondered why we couldn't report the income on our last payslip so it would match our tax returns. OR was the ‘matching’ inaccurate ie. Robo debt problems?? I think this problem did arise where ‘single Joe’ was unemployed for 4 months & received say $3,800 in total Newstart, but also received say $28,000 in wages over 8 months from his ‘old’ job and then his ‘new’ job, - I think the matching system said ‘how does someone on 28,000 per year get Newstart? And raised a debt. So how will the new system work? If you work 2 weeks (Mon-Fri & Mon-Fri), get your payslip on the Wednesday (after the last Fri.) & you report on Thursday. Do you report what your payslip said on Wednesday? Or does your employer have the calculation for you (which includes Thursday)?
Anonymous
30th Jan 2020
2:39am
Was wondering myself how they'd save any money by keeping accurate records instead of the bad joss pileup they currently use...

They were supposed to save a fortune from 'rorters' - now they plan to save a fortune from not providing the opportunity to make an honest mistake...

Are we coming up to an election or something? Bush fire smoke got to their brains?
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
6:28pm
And what are the chances of your payday aligning with your fortnightly Centrelink declaration?
Fitza
29th Jan 2020
6:55pm
I totally agree with Mariner. We need to copy the UK/EU system and we need a universal age pension, where we know exactly where we stand and are encouraged to work, not discouraged.
I do work full time and am 74 years young - but mainly to avoid Centrelink, as I did try the age pension and part time work but got sick and tired of being cut off in the blink of an eye, if I dared earn 'too much' money.
Also, got sick and tired of being treated like some age pensioner 'criminal' in the minds of these politicians and bureaucrats.
It is, without a doubt THE worse pension system in the 1st world countries.....but then again, we also have some of the worse politicians.
I am hoping the exit from the EU by the UK will lead to ex: poms like me, being able to transfer my years of working here, to a full UK pension. Or at the least, have my part UK Pension updated yearly for inflation, once the exit from the EU is complete.
If it happens, I am out of this horrible system.
judo
29th Jan 2020
7:00pm
If the robo-debt scheme has been ruled unlawful in the Federal Court will money illegally taken be refunded.
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
6:32pm
hahaha judo - don't hold your breath waiting for an answer to that one.

From what I can gather, you have to take them to court (which you can't afford to do if you're on Newstart). There was a class action happening, but now that Robberdebt has been declared wrong, I don't know what's happening to those who incorrectly paid up for fear of losing all their future benefits.
Elby
29th Jan 2020
9:21pm
New Income reporting will be interesting to see when you get paid monthly for casual hours worked in a calendar month. I suppose the workbonus and OAP then also needs calculated per month. I am sure this will cause havoc with their Fortnightly setup. There is nothing wrong with reporting hours x hourly rate per fortnight worked. Done it now for about 3 years now.
Worked hard to retire
29th Jan 2020
10:31pm
Yep once again the Government is going to take from the poor to give to the rich , shouldn't they become more efficient them selves and cut there perks before they keep suppressing the poor .More cashies in retirement I think , they are certainly taking away the incentive to keep working , and once again for those that keep calling the pension a welfare payment , its not and never has been , there is a difference .
Worked hard to retire
29th Jan 2020
10:31pm
Yep once again the Government is going to take from the poor to give to the rich , shouldn't they become more efficient them selves and cut there perks before they keep suppressing the poor .More cashies in retirement I think , they are certainly taking away the incentive to keep working , and once again for those that keep calling the pension a welfare payment , its not and never has been , there is a difference .
maxchugg
31st Jan 2020
8:08am
Simply put, doesn't this mean that the funding of bushfire relief provided by the government is going to be clawed back out of the pockets of pensioners?
I agree with Triss, whose post I read after posting the above comments and which reminds me of an ex-minister who told us that we have to be "lifters, not leaners" and began the process of lifting the age for retirement to 70 before himself retiring at around the age of 50 on a politician's pension, reportedly around $190,000 a year, then taking a plum ambassadorial position which yielded another annual salary of around a quarter of a million a year.
maxchugg
31st Jan 2020
8:08am
Simply put, doesn't this mean that the funding of bushfire relief provided by the government is going to be clawed back out of the pockets of pensioners?
I agree with Triss, whose post I read after posting the above comments and which reminds me of an ex-minister who told us that we have to be "lifters, not leaners" and began the process of lifting the age for retirement to 70 before himself retiring at around the age of 50 on a politician's pension, reportedly around $190,000 a year, then taking a plum ambassadorial position which yielded another annual salary of around a quarter of a million a year.
musicveg
31st Jan 2020
1:21pm
We need to stop (but how?) the scamming of politicians that get to use tax payers money for their own benefits, why on earth do they not get assest and income tested? It is disgusting and I think people are waking up (slowly) to an unfair system. The elite really have only their own lives being looked after, while so many others are running the rat race with bleeding feet.
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
6:36pm
So true, Max.

I will name names - Joe Hockey. And he thinks he's a "lifter"
PlanB
1st Feb 2020
9:29am
Morrison and his lot will rob the poorer to give to the rich -- or do what ever it takes to keep them in power -- and line their own pockets.Listening to him on National press club address was just a load of sales talk
(which he does VERY well) he wafts on and on and says nothing AND ever contradicts himself, till the time is up he is a despicable excuse for a so-called Christen
sainter
1st Feb 2020
3:08pm
You did well to even waste your time to listen to Scotty from marketing PlanB,as soon as I see that sickening smerk it's enough to make me puke.
sainter
1st Feb 2020
3:08pm
You did well to even waste your time to listen to Scotty from marketing PlanB,as soon as I see that sickening smerk it's enough to make me puke.
Hoohoo
1st Feb 2020
6:43pm
I'm with you, sainter. I can't bear to hear a single word that emerges from that smirk.

And from what I've heard reported about his speech, he's said nothing new. He made noises about believing in climate change, as if of course, he's always believed in it. But it's business as usual and no changes to policy, just more of the same. Today he's declared $2billion in subsidies for gas to NSW - this is his answer to climate change. You know, because gas is not as bad as coal. It's still $2billion more in subsidies for fossil fuels.
PlanB
2nd Feb 2020
9:07am
Oh boy, you are right about that smirk -- Hooroo and sainter, how I despise it AND the wearer. even when he is supposed to be "sad" the smirk is always there -- he is SICKENING -- but the reason whey I listen to IT is because I want to know what lies he is telling because he always is --
Hoohoo
2nd Feb 2020
3:52pm
The smirk DID momentarily disappear when he was in deep shit over the Hawaii holiday/bushfire crisis. It had to. But then his face turned into a giant upside down U which continued down both sides of his mouth right down to his jawline. Maybe this is why he always keeps the lurking smirk waiting in the wings.

I shouldn't criticise his looks especially when there's so much else about him to criticise.

I think we need 4 year federal terms so a new government has a chance to do what they promised to do, instead of the current electoral cycle fiasco where nothing gets done and media propaganda wins the election for the highest bidder.
Our current govt has made an artform out of announcing things they've already announced, as if they are doing something new. They have done bugger all for the good of the average person.
PlanB
2nd Feb 2020
5:32pm
Hoohoo, I reckon if they had 4 years we would be in even deeper Doodoo, I really don't think I could cope with 4 years of this mob -- OR any Mob we have
musicveg
2nd Feb 2020
6:25pm
No not 4 years, too long to wait to get rid of the ones that are not doing the right thing. What needs to happen is to stop fake news spreading at election time. Every young person I speak too does not like the current Government so maybe just have to wait until they are the majority of voters for things to progress forward instead of backwards. Have you been following the "religious laws" that they are trying to bring in? The petition I signed today was calling it "The handmaids laws".
carer
2nd Feb 2020
7:47pm
i love this idea about time all the people whom collect payments and work they will be caught people whom cant work due to disability of unable to work from half brain dead of stroke cant move speak no real life Should get it yet teens with i sleep all day but party drink no problems they need to work my mum has chalk spine with spine that is in pain lungs both kidneys bowel head and non stop pain all specialists and drs are angry as refused a pension she gets $410 a fortnight after $220 rent after her youngest son died 14th feb 2019 ambulance gave him too much insulin put in a deep coma hospital wouldnt let message to them so er dr gave another dose it puts type 1 diabetic into a non stop cardiac arrest 22 yrs old freelon was presented with medal highest science he was too smart this world is already complaining he is not a like he did a test for usa scientist he was 3rd highest he was asked to join the elite club but refused he always believed he was not that good and wouldnt pay US$120 a year
carer
2nd Feb 2020
8:05pm
freelon did last year 40 units then sept to dec he added 4 mor3 but half way threw he was very ill he was rushed to hospital he was put in a coma to figure out what was wrong we put as done more than 4 each term a doctor certificate in to drop 1 unit which was told its covered then 20th dec 2019 they cut him of $298 a fortnight it gutted him he never cheated always told before anything if that wasn't bad enough feb 2020 they sent him a repayment bill of nearly 3 grand 14 days to pay back no money he fell to the ground burst into uncontrollable crying gasping for breath turning blue he never cried he never lied or cheat he was respected by everyone he had no dignity left a broken soul
PlanB
3rd Feb 2020
8:25am
The thing is if we did the wrong thing in a work place we would be SACKED, GONE --and this should happen to theses mongrels too -- not give them another portfolio -- they are employed by us and we should have the say!


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