Election 2016: Coalition target welfare recipients

New savings of $2.3 billion are coming from an additional crackdown on welfare recipients.

Election 2016: Coalition target welfare recipients

On Tuesday, Treasurer Scott Morrison revealed the Coalition’s final election costings. The new costings show a budget bottom line $1.1 billion better over four years than initially predicted in Budget 2016/17.

Over the election period, the total net cost of the Coalition’s promises is $1.2 billion. However, the Treasurer is now claiming new savings of $2.3 billion expected to come from an additional crackdown on welfare recipients.

The Treasurer plans to target outstanding debts, as well as to implement new technology that will detect welfare fraud and non-compliance. Welfare recipients are expected to face more frequent and stringent reporting requirements under these proposed changes.

“They are practical measures to improve the administrative and integrity efficiency of the social welfare system,” said Mr Morrison. “No one who genuinely needs social welfare support and who is honestly disclosing their employment income and non-employment income will be worse-off under our commitment.”

In response to the announcement, the ALP’s Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen and finance spokesperson Tony Burke expressed their disbelief about the costings, suggesting the changes would not pass Parliament.

“We would need to know exactly how many people would be affected and how it is different to the $5.7 billion in savings announced since the 2015/16 budget from better compliance,” Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen told reporters in Canberra.

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Opinion: Why target welfare?

The Coalition had an opportunity to finish off the Election 2016 campaign with a strong piece of legislation, but instead, decided to finish with the implementation of a crackdown on those doing it the hardest in our society – those on welfare.

Where is the action on big businesses that continue to move profits offshore and pay minimal tax? Where is the action on the highest paid net-worth Australians moving funds in a similar manner as revealed in the Panama Papers? Where are changes to negative gearing or the capital gains tax concessions that continue to result in high net-worth individuals benefitting the most?

The Coalition has clearly missed an opportunity heading into the final days of the election. The ALP, on the other hand, decided to push the envelope in promising that if it were elected, the first bill to go before the new parliament would be for the necessary changes to the Marriage Act to allow same-sex marriage. This brilliant move should secure the party many undecided young voters, as well as claw back votes from other parties such as The Greens.

With more frequent and stringent reporting requirements under the new changes, I can only imagine the pain and suffering those receiving a welfare payment will have to endure to ensure their benefit is paid. Wait times of 30 minutes to an hour are standard when attempting to phone Centrelink, so with more frequent reporting, one can imagine the impossibility of actually talking to a real person.

What do you think? Are the Coalition’s changes to welfare enough to sway your vote in Election 2016? Is the Coalition unfairly targeting those on welfare? Do you believe the Coalition has finished the campaign on a weak note? Has the ALP finished the campaign stronger? Who are you going to vote for and why?

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    Hank
    30th Jun 2016
    10:19am
    How about a crackdown on MP's "entitlements" ?
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    10:28am
    Yes why not. The perks that Parliamentarians receive courtesy of the Australian Taxpayer need to be "more stringently" monitored and audited on a regular basis.
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    10:45am
    Hear! Hear!
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    11:01am
    MP entitlements are chicken feed to the welfare bill so reducing them wouldn't even be noticed in Australia's accounts.
    Hasbeen
    30th Jun 2016
    11:40am
    I have never seen a worse scare campaign than this. This piece could only we written by someone prepared to twist the truth to death, to try to get Labor elected. I find it totally amazing that you can condone fraud of the system.

    It is a crack down on Fraud. Anyone cheating the system should be worried, & no one not cheating has nothing to fear.

    A better, & more honest line of attack would be to ask if the figures have any validity. If they do, why the hell has this fraud of tax payer funds not been stopped previously. Why the hell have the governments of the last 120 or more years not attacked the problem, & jailed the fraudsters before now?
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    11:49am
    The good thing about Centrelink is that if you have problems working out their rules you can make an appointment and have a confidential chat with one of their financial officers. You can then pay what ifs and they will help you sort out the best outcome for you.
    jackie
    30th Jun 2016
    11:56am
    Old Geezer Chicken feed? Our politicians are the most highly paid in the world. Do your research before you shoot from the hip. Unlimited business related travel expenses are absurd. None should have a pension when they retire because they no longer work for the people. Most continue to work for themselves and receive a pension. Wealthy ordinary Australians aren't entitled to the peanuts mere mortals get when they are pensioned off. Maybe we should all get jobs in Canberra and get rid of Centrelink. BTW Centrelink's CEO's salary is $7Mill and probably goes up each year.
    ray from Bondi
    30th Jun 2016
    12:05pm
    I am posting to facebook and hope people read it and wonder just why the rich living in ivory towers have decided to demonise the disadvantaged.
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    12:30pm
    Not all the rich live in ivory towers. Where is Eddie Obeid living for the next 12 months?
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:37pm
    A lot of wealthy people just live in ordinary houses and could quite easily be your neighbour.
    jackie
    30th Jun 2016
    1:09pm
    Old Geezer A lot of wealthy people hide it off shore too. Our Prime Minister is a good example. Oh yes it is legal but it is not good for the Australian economy the Liberals bleat on about. They plan to slash $2.5 Billion from pensioners to fund $7 Billion in tax cuts to big banks. Fraud is fraud even when it is legal.
    Hobbit
    30th Jun 2016
    1:17pm
    How about stopping the $250 million a year paid as subsidies to IVF companies for treating women who choose to delay having children, then decide when they're too old to go onto IVF, partly at our expense.
    marls
    30th Jun 2016
    1:22pm
    frank
    with the amount of money Eddie Obeid has he can afford the best legals, and then if he does not like the outcome will appeal upon appeal
    HarrysOpinion
    30th Jun 2016
    1:44pm
    Frank - Next 12 months or more- In a 1 star hotel jail perhaps learning how to launder clothes rather than money or in a jail kitchen washing the dishes just to remind him of the cafes he owned and how hard kitchen hand people have to work to earn few dollars or maybe the garbage and cleaning detail regime to remind him that crooked politicians are just like garbage.
    Gra
    30th Jun 2016
    2:49pm
    I'm with hasbeen. If people are fraudulently claiming benefits from Centrelink I hope they are caught up with and soon. It's hard to believe the number of people here think it is OK for members of the public to claim money they aren't entitled to but want to hang draw and quarter politicians. Anyone, no matter who or what they are should be targeted if they are committing fraud.
    Oldman Roo
    30th Jun 2016
    3:52pm
    Old Geezer , I have contacted Centrelink twice in my capital city to make an appointment to see a financial officer and was told each time they no longer make appointments to provide personal advice and I would have to ring and speak to an officer over the phone . This cost me a bit over an hour waiting tine the first time and 50 Minutes the 2 nd time . As I understand they also record these conversations , there is nothing confidential about them .
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    4:00pm
    Oldman Roo. I called them last week no waiting put through within 2 minutes. The FIS officers as stated on the Centrelink website can give any information to Centrelink should the details you supply affect your current pension. When you call any Government dept, they state that calls will be recorded. You can decline if you wish to. But by doing so no point in complaining should you need refer to your call at a later time.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    4:36pm
    I haven't had any trouble contacting or speaking to a FIS officer. However I have a problem for a lady to sort out next week so I'll find out then if anything has changed. They always make a point of telling me it is confidential. By being recorded if at a later date something goes against you you have evidence that you sort advice and a record of the advice given. I do the same with the ATO advisors.
    Oldman Roo
    30th Jun 2016
    4:50pm
    niemekava , please do not try to play with facts and fiction . You know as well as I know that your 2 Minutes waiting call was extremely abnormal and can not be used as a whitewash . I am sure there will be plenty of others to back me on this statement .
    In addition . I am at very advanced age and have enough of a battle to convey my opinion on this forum and find it ludicrous to expect the elderly to go into lengthy sessions , with all the pro,s and con ,s on a website on often complicated financial problems .
    You are obviously all the way with Centrelink and you should comment about the elderly when you " have been there and done that " .
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:14pm
    A real mix. The ex pollie right wing trolls are unhappy. They want their over generous pension for life whilst taking pensions away from those who have actually made a real contribution to the nation.
    jeffr
    30th Jun 2016
    7:20pm
    Old Geezer....if your that old you must know the expression

    If you look after the Pennies the Pounds look after themselves"
    So that chicken feed as you call it would certainly look after a lot of homeless etc: which would be far better than paying for expensive helicoptor flights and booking your own plane as Julie Bishop did which was unnecessary. I could go on...Joe Hockey is a good example but would be useless trying to convince the likes of you.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    7:34pm
    Yes it is chicken feed compared to the size of the budget as a whole. Even if you cut it significantly it would not save much in the big scheme of things. I agree on a micro level it might feed a few homeless but it would only add a few cents to everyone welfare payment. That is just insignificant it really is.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    7:35pm
    Dear Old Geezer - are you seriously contending that Jo Bloggs the single mother who neglects to declare $20 is anywhere in the same league as a Tony Abbott who fits in a visit to a nursing home so as to 'justify' attending a party business meeting on the tax dollar?

    It is not a matter of how much - it is the proportion that counts, and proportionately politicians are the greatest rorters of all time.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    7:44pm
    Well that single mother didn't become a single mother by herself. In this day and age there is no excuse for a woman becoming a single mother by choice and then relying upon welfare to support both of them.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    8:50pm
    There but for the grace of god.... you have a daughter?

    Jo Bloggs' husband was a CIA contractor who died on a mission without benefits...... but he died for the greater good...
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    3:53pm
    Or maybe identify the other parent and make him take some responsibility for the child? But before making sweeping generalisations maybe consider what TREBOR has put forward, until you know the circumstances of the individual don't pass ill-informed self-righteous judgement.
    jackie
    30th Jun 2016
    10:32am
    This is disgusting! The only rich people on welfare are politicians. They need to have a look at their so called work related expenses and cut back. Their pensions should be the same as the rest of us and means tested too. That would save more money than targeting the most vulnerable people in Australia. If Australians need to work for 35 years to qualify for age pension, why are the non English speaking elderly Chinese getting the pension? They aren't refugees and never worked a day in this country. I am taking about recent very happy arrivals.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    10:40am
    Jackie, I agree with your sentiments. The qualifying period for a full a pension is based on years of residency. That means a person can qualify even if they have never worked. A person must have been a resident for at least 10 years before receiving any form of age pension. Where Australia has a Social Service Agreement with another country, the a person may use their "working life" from those countries to bring it up to 10 years. Having said that maybe refugees Aborigines are excluded from this requirement. On many if not all Centrelink forms there is a specific question to this effect: Are /were you a refugee? Are you Aborigine or a Torres Strait Islander?.
    jackie
    30th Jun 2016
    11:33am
    niemakawa, are you saying Australia has an agreement with China to provider Chinese senior arrivals the age pension? Cutbacks on their own pensioners will be made to compensate for the extra costs. It makes sense because more will be arriving here through their rich children. Centrelink is providing a specialised interpreting service for them to make it easier for them to get welfare. We have such a compassionate Government that specialises in making the rich richer through any means.
    ray from Bondi
    30th Jun 2016
    12:06pm
    I agree, they have no concept at all of how the poor live and struggle.
    KSS
    30th Jun 2016
    12:21pm
    Jackie, if the 'rich' were to apply for and get the age pension they would get the same as you! The fact is they do NOT apply for it and if they did they would not get it. They have made their own arrangements as many others do in order NOT to have to rely on the age pension. Being jealous because someone has more than you is pointless. There will always be those who have more or do better. Australia's responsibility is to make sure that those who are unable to take care of themselves have a safety net to fall back on. But that's what it is - a safety net not a lifestyle choice.
    marls
    30th Jun 2016
    1:28pm
    Jackie
    people in australia do not have to work for 35yrs to qualify for the pension I know people who have never worked a day in their life and one particular friend had one child 35yrs ago and given a 3 bedroom unit, she still has a 3 bedroom unit on her own whilst families are living in the street
    jackie
    30th Jun 2016
    1:59pm
    maris That woman would be a minority. The Victorian Government is spending $2Bill on high-rise housing for the homeless. They should copy Canada and tax the empty apartment owned by negative geared and money launderers.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    3:21pm
    Jackie, where a Social Service is in place then it applies. You can get a list of those Countries with whom Australia has signed up from The Centerlink website.
    Oldman Roo
    30th Jun 2016
    4:14pm
    KSS , I regret that I have to tell you outright , I do not know of any elderly friends who have made the Pension as a lifestyle choice and all would prefer to live without it There is also absolutely nothing about jealousy of the wealthy either but a right for the elderly who earned their money so many years ago , when salaries were only a fraction of what they are in these days . Naturally with the result that the average Pensioners has no hope of living without a pension or part Pension .
    Your comments are aimed to discredit good people who worked hard all their lifetime and made sacrifices but were , for one reason or another , not blessed with fortune to reach old age in a strong enough financial position .
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:11pm
    Many countries have no hurdles in regard to getting the pension. Australia with its coalition governments has become a place where after a lifetime of work is to be shafted. And then you have to read the BS some posters come up with to justify the position of the current big business owned government.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    5:16pm
    Mick. all those of pension age should receive a basic State Pension regardless of Assets or Income. ( Apart from a few exceptions). Easy to administer and the savings would be much greater than the current means tested system. FAIR to all.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    7:45pm
    I'd like to thank the local member for Niemakawa for raising this question.. I just happen to have done some figures.... (sounds like a classic Dorothy Dixer)...


    Scenario One – Pension totally free of tax.

    Taxable income
    Tax on this income
    $0 – $18,200
    Nil
    $18,201– $37,000
    19c for each $1 over $18,200
    $37,001 - $80,000
    $3,572 plus 32.5c for each $1 over $37,000
    $80,001 - $180,000
    $17,547 plus 37c for each $1 over $80,000


    Single pension = $873.90 a fortnight = $22,721.

    What that means is a person could earn total pension plus earnings of $40,921, without paying tax.

    Then tax is payable @ 19c in the dollar up to $77,921 on $37,000 = $7,030.

    After tax income = $72,918.

    Then the next bracket gives :-

    Total income = $115,917

    Additional tax = $3572 + 32.5 cents in the dollar = $13,975

    Total tax = 7,030 + 13,975 = 21,005

    Well – that's near the balance point.....

    Gotta go now, but I'll get back to the fattest cats later, and we might look at the concept of all income being taxable as at present.... including pension. Might resolve a few anomalies.

    More work needed.

    OK – for your fat cats, they get to pay a measly $17,547 plus 37c on the dollar for every dollar over the total listed above.

    Scenario 2 – Pension level equal to tax free threshold.

    If we include Pension as (equal to) the tax free threshold:-

    $22721 is tax free..... then you pay tax above that... Pension plus first bracket:-

    Tax is paid at 19c in the dollar for $18,799 = $3572 =
    post tax income $22721 + 15227 = $37948.

    In the next bracket:-

    You get your 22721 + 15227 = $37948,

    then pay $3572 + 32.5 cents in the dollar for $43000 = $3572 + 13975 = $17547.

    Giving $25453 clear, and a net income of $63,401 out of an overall income of $102,721.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    7:47pm
    The above is based on the scenario of everyone receiving a pension and then paying tax on ALL income and fringe benefits etc above that. In the first scenario I've looked at the situation where pension plus tax free threshold apply - in the second one in which the pension rate IS the tax free threshold.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:32pm
    We can agree on that niemakawa. The pension should not be used to alienate Australians.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    10:33am
    "New Technology" Maybe electronic wrists bands to monitor our every movement,spending habits, who we meet, where we go. Surveillance at every corner. Whoopee!!!

    I will not vote for LIB/LAB/GREENS there is nothing to separate them and all have the intention of enslaving us one way or another.
    LENYJAC
    30th Jun 2016
    11:45am
    And upping their pay and perks...rip off po(lies)
    freed1948
    30th Jun 2016
    1:03pm
    Agree with that.
    A means test on pollies super would save more than constantly chipping away at genuine pensioners.
    I just voted OS and did not put any of those first in both houses.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    7:47pm
    Tattoo on the inside of the arm..... ? .... ?? .....
    margie
    30th Jun 2016
    10:36am
    I am voting Independents, these big boys need a lesson in who actually pays the bills. I have no real problem with catching welfare cheats, but let's make it a level playing field and the politicians can be first. Stop receiving money when they cease work, if we the people don't get a raise, then neither do they. Start putting all those billions both sides have suddenly found and direct it to the farmers, veterans, homeless, elderly, sick, disabled etc. Stop handing money to places like Indonesia who are building up a weapons arsenal and clearly not giving to the needy. Aren't they about the 8th biggest economy in the world? And as for Labor and the Greens deciding marriage equality is the burning issue of the day, well I am gobsmacked. Could these people treat Australians with any more disdain? I realise either Libs or Labor will still get in but just maybe they will have their heads pulled in a little and have it bought home to them that Australians will no longer passively let them ride roughshod over us, I live in hope.
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    10:54am
    If they don't allow same-sex marriage, politicians and religion are riding roughshod over a certain group. Just like abortion, it is an individual's choice over what to do in their PRIVATE life.
    margie
    30th Jun 2016
    11:48am
    Kaz, that's all fine and dandy and I agree with you, I'm saying that it is hardly the most pressing problem we as a country have. Peoples private lives are exactly that... private and providing no harm is done, no ones business. I think you picked out one tiny section of my comments and ignored what I consider desperately important for all Australians, not just a (as you said) certain group. Yes it is an issue, but for pity's sake let's sort out the basics and ensure ALL Australians have a decent quality of life.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:10pm
    Same-sex marriage? Don't we have more pressing matters to think about? Anyway, who cares - except the divorce lawyers as they will get even busier! :-) However, no one is mentioning the REAL agenda which is all about inheritance laws, continuation of pensions to the surviving party, tax concessions to 'spouses' etc etc etc. It's bit like BREXIT: oh so simple on the face of it but with myriads of other things deep underneath.
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    1:14pm
    Thanks Margie
    I was making a point as you were and using one of your own examples. I don't believe it was suggested as the most pressing matter, just one of many and one that can be done quickly.
    Old Man
    30th Jun 2016
    4:29pm
    Kaz, the certain group of which you speak is about 3.4% of the population. It seems that the country is being run by minorities once more. I agree that what a person does in their private life is their own business but the issue of same sex marriage is bringing their private lives into the public domain. You speak of abortion and you may remember that abortions were once illegal and women who wished to have an abortion often put their own life at risk. Governments over the years have legalised both abortions and homosexuality.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:08pm
    Good one margie.
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:17pm
    I agree same sex marriage is not a pressing matter, it is also not a matter that should require the expenditure of millions of dollars, the government should make a decision and get on with it not waste our money and time in trying to appease a very small section of their core supporters.
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:19pm
    I agree same sex marriage is not a pressing matter, it is also not a matter that should require the expenditure of millions of dollars, the government should make a decision and get on with it not waste our money and time in trying to appease a very small section of their core supporters.
    Spitfire
    4th Jul 2016
    8:00am
    I reckon same sex marriages and abortions are OK they keep the birth rate down and subsequent welfare payments resulting from population growth.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    10:40am
    You have to be a little doubtful about new policies made a couple of days out from the election. No chance of proper analysis and highly likely not going to proceed after the election. Given the Abbott election campaign and the fact that we have the same party it is highly likely that Morrison is telling the next lie. And you wonder why voters are putting Liberal last. This is where liars and conmen belong.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    10:44am
    Don't trust Labor either. They actually want to do the same thing, but of course will not say so. Labor have already said that they will not reverse the taper rate increase on assets that will become effective from 1 January 2017. They should in my opinion. All mainstream Parties have let us down over the years, I will not be voting for any of them
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    10:58am
    Both have. I believe that if the coalition gets over the line, as suggested in the latest polls, then we will see an Abbott style about face. Same party so likely same outcome.
    Labor? Not sure there as the track record is much better. We may see.
    Kato
    30th Jun 2016
    10:42am
    How about Implementing a crackdown on Politicians rorting the system. still no crackdown on the oversupply of politicians and staff. Stop the rorting on pollies travel claims would pay for the plebiscite on marriage equality. I voted Independent . The carry on by the them about chaos and Instability by having a hung parliament or to many Independents well it is called compromise . swallow the age self belief of born to rule and do what is right for the people of Australia not your self interest and ego.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:00am
    Those in positions of absolute power never apply the rules to themselves. Not sure how you ever stop that other than with a vigilant media. Sadly the media has vested interests with the big end of town for the most part and you get what you get: massaged and often biased coverage looking after business.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    8:53pm
    Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak, and that it is doing God's service when it is violating all His laws.

    John Adams.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:56pm
    A wonderful statement of fact. In the past few days I have heard a similar sentiment about the elites in Great Britain before the Brexit was lost. Now they want another referendum. Same as Abbott repeatedly called for another election.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    10:02pm
    Referendums are No Good in England ! :-( They always have a RIOT after them :-) :-) Shitty Losers Party :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    11:01pm
    parti - that's soccer matches and referees.... not sure about that referendum there.... jes' anovver quiet ni' i' Brixton, ay?
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    11:26pm
    No ! one mob of losers didn't like the BREXIT Result !! And they stamped their Feet like 4 year old Girls !! Now if we don't get what we voted for this time I think we should follow Suit !! :-) :-)
    Fliss
    30th Jun 2016
    10:46am
    Of course they should crack down on welfare fraud! It is fraud. It is cheating. It is taking something you are not entitled to. It is stealing.
    B5YCK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:01am
    Good on you Fliss. It is the dishonest person who is targeted. the honest people have nothing top fear.
    jackie
    30th Jun 2016
    11:39am
    Fliss, Stealing from you to give to the parents of rich Chinese property investors. China has a large population with a good supply of the elderly to export here. Unfortunately, that is not called fraud.
    poorwomanme
    30th Jun 2016
    11:56am
    Jackie, learn your subject before you come up with such rubbish!
    .
    jackie
    30th Jun 2016
    1:33pm
    poorwomanme, I see many non-English speaking elderly, Chinese. All are friendly and very polite, they have not been here long and receive Australian pensions. Austudy assessment includes parental assets and the age pension needs to include children's assets. Many people hide their wealth with their children.
    Rae
    30th Jun 2016
    3:28pm
    Honestly jackie I wonder at the lack of historical knowledge of a lot of Australians. Of course there are a lot of elderly Chinese in Australia. During the 1800s the Chinese made up over 25% of the population. Some of those elderly chinese are fifth generation.
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    10:49am
    It's nothing that can be proven or quantified, especially before the election and it's something they have already said they were doing!
    They forget they are also being paid from the public purse - let's have a crackdown on their "entitlements".
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    11:03am
    The pollies entitlements are not fraud a big difference to welfare cheats.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:31am
    Actually when you set your own entitlements it is a fraud and no amount of claiming an 'independent remuneration Tribunal' whilst you pay that Tribunal can ever be viewed in any other light.
    The fact that pollies got to double their salaries over 3 years is proof that they are in charge.
    Idontforget
    30th Jun 2016
    11:47am
    Old Geezer is living in a past world. Of course Politicians lurks and perks are a fraud. They are given by a tribunal set up by themselves but you wont find any Joe or Mary Citizen from Struggle Street on that Tribunal. Fat cats and bloated moguls, only.

    Politicians money comes from the same purse as welfare. Why is it that the Taxation Office treats them differently from ordinary Australians when it comes to living away from home.

    Why is it that their lurks and perks are a secret. Why cannot a media group or 'Life Choices' for that matter take steps to ascertain and make public ALL the wages, allowances, overseas trip cost, pensions and any dependents pensions after their demise, their preferential treatment by the Taxation Office.

    I know it would be like drawing several teeth without anesthetic to get an honest answer to the above, bit it needs to be started.
    LENYJAC
    30th Jun 2016
    11:48am
    Hey old geezer...Bloody Po(lies) all of them are frauds
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    7:38pm
    If the pollies are frauds then what are the fools who elected them?
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    7:40pm
    Old Geezer - Frauds by association
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:30pm
    For the most part clueless lemmings Geezer. The power of advertising and a weak mind.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:05pm
    Old Geezer, politicians have set up a system that denies us the power to obstruct their FRAUD and brands FRAUD legal, but when you lie to the populace to get elected and you don't perform the job you are paid for competently, you are committing FRAUD, no matter how you try to justify it or pretend it's okay by declaring it legal.

    As for electing them - what choice do we have, really? A choice between the devil and the deep blue sea!
    Old Geezer
    2nd Jul 2016
    2:09pm
    Just don't vote. It is that simple.
    Farside
    2nd Jul 2016
    2:52pm
    More than 200 years ago Joseph de Maistre wrote "Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite" ("Every country has the government it deserves"). It is the same now as it was then. It is foolish to think there will be a different outcome while the political landscape is dominated by winning the next election in three years and the level of political engagement and critical thinking among voters remains low. If you want change then become involved, educate your children and grandchildren in civics, philosophy and economics, debate and challenge the status quo, organise and hold your elected representatives to account. Then maybe in our lifetimes we will see enlightened government acting for the betterment of the community.
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:09pm
    As far polies rorting the system is concerned, I have this point of view. Politicians need to learn that just because you can do something it does not automatically follow that you should.
    People are watching and these people know what is right and what is wrong do the wrong thing just because you can get away with it at your peril.
    We don't need registers or committees what we need is ordinary people who see our representatives behaving badly to make their excesses known far and wide, what we need is a medium for dobbing in a pollie.
    Oldchick
    30th Jun 2016
    10:51am
    This is typical of the Coalition. Most of them wouldn't know what it is to live in the real world of financial struggle. They will never know either because the perks they ensure for their own future are massive and the real drain on our economy. Turn'coat' might have pleaded his case of humble beginnings in this election campaign but who does he really think he's fooling. Nothing will change until people start complaining bitterly via social media or any avenue they can - online petitions, supermarket petitions. What better place to get people fired up to sign a petition against welfare crackdown and politicians perks than when they've just walked through the checkout and wondered how the hell they can keep paying for their groceries or whether they should be putting stuff they need back on the shelf. It's time for the ordinary people to start fighting back.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:31am
    'Don't what I do. Do as I say'?
    Rae
    30th Jun 2016
    3:41pm
    Actually the Americans did just that after the GST. They simply stopped spending. In 2009 you could walk through any mall in America and find it empty. The people shopped at farmer's markets and cheap local owned eateries. They spent cash amongst themselves.

    It freaked the government, corporations etc out. Guess what wages went up and employment was booted up as well. Welfare was extended as was medical insurance.

    In fact over $30 trillion was thrown at the problem. That is a real lot of money. Some of it trickled down finally.

    People here complain about prices but still frequent the usual supermarkets and petrol stations that are ripping them off. They won't do anything to change it. Creatures of habit and little thought.
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    10:51am
    FRAUD is FRAUD...and the needy suffer.. I hope The GOVT puts the thumb screws tighter
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    11:47am
    They already said they were doing this - this is just smoke and mirrors. It diverts your attention onto others so that you don't look too closely at them. And you don't...
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    11:47am
    They already said they were doing this - this is just smoke and mirrors. It diverts your attention onto others so that you don't look too closely at them. And you don't...
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    11:51am
    You are correct PIXAPD they are receiving WELFARE which is free money mainly because they can"t or won"t look after themselves and they need to be accountable to the taxpayer who is paying taxes to keep them
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:07pm
    What do you call a $50 billion taxpayer funded give away to the top end robbo? WELFARE maybe? Or is is accommodated corruption? I wonder.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2016
    11:29am
    The problem with ''crackdowns'' is that Centrelink staff are overworked and many are inept. People are advising changes in circumstances that INCREASE their entitlement and eight months later no adjustment has been processed, or the adjustment is processed incorrectly. When it comes to assessing disability, Centrelink is a disaster. But in areas where they SHOULD be cracking down, they do nothing. I know couples who claim single pensions saying they are separated and Centrelink TOLD them they could spend 4 days a week together in the same home as long as they kept separate addresses!

    And the crackdowns never extend to the wealthy, do they? What we really need in Australia is a total overhaul of the system to END middle-class and wealthy folk ''welfare'' (yes, it does exist) but take a realistic view of need - NOT this BS about 65-year-olds with just over $500,000 in returning assets to last them until they die being called ''wealthy'' or ''millionaires'' while owners of $3 million houses and folk who gave hundreds of thousands to their kids before turning 60 collect full pensions.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    11:36am
    As far as the age pension is concerned maybe there would be no such rorts anyone of pension age receives a basic age pension. Abolish the income/assets tests altogether, billions in savings to be had there in administration cost alone. Stop all the supplements except for the real needy, who will have to demonstrate that they fall into that category.
    PIXAPD
    2nd Jul 2016
    8:42am
    If a pensioner does commit fraud it's most likely their husband or wife has died so they buried them in the backyard and say nothing..that's about it...
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:29pm
    The government knows it will save nothing by this so called crack down, it has realised that it has cut the Public Service down by too much and now has to justify an increase of jobs.
    It wasted a fortune on VER's and now needs to give some of these people their jobs back, same old story, make claims about saving money but achieve nothing.
    Most people know that they will spend more than they will save, they always do. It's not about the result it's about the headline.
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    10:54am
    The ones who are complaining are most likely afraid of being caught, so they make a loud noise, thinking it will cover them. the honest receiver of Welfare is not afraid..they will stand the heat.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    8:57pm
    Not at all - some of us simply know that all this kind of shirt-fronting of Social Security recipients is part of a campaign to reduce them to subsistence level so as to 'balance the books' while achieving the politician's unspoken dream - a totally controlled and too poor to revolt populace who will cheerfully accept any crumbs thrown to them.
    BrianP
    30th Jun 2016
    10:54am
    Proof that Liberals put debt recovery before poor peoples' welfare. It is enough to say don't vote Liberal.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:32am
    I didn't. Neither have many others.
    LENYJAC
    30th Jun 2016
    11:50am
    HERE HERE BrianP
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    12:33pm
    So if you were elected BrianP you would approve of welfare fraud?
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:05pm
    Your typical troll/Liberal Party comment Frank.
    Be advised that your Party may well be involved in criminal activity given what was done to the GetUp organisation (2 days out from the election!). As if the criminal who ran stolen credit cards on the GetUp site is not bad enough the suspicion of criminal behaviour and possible collusion between your employer, the Murdoch Press and the crime itself needs investigation. This needs a Royal Commission and the formation of a federal ICAC.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    5:08pm
    Mick, you sound as if you have absolute proof that the Liberal Party have committed a crime. Enlighten us.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    7:53pm
    Fraudsters skim credit cards in restaurants and taxis etc and then the card numbers are used to make donations to organisations online to estimate card limit so as to increase their value on the black market.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/getup-caught-up-in-credit-card-fraud-scams-20160629-gpv281.html

    Mick this has nothing to do with the Liberal Party or the Murdoch Press. Getup just happened to be a suitable online organisation to find out the credit limits of these skimmed or stolen credit cards.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:28pm
    The Telegraph has been running is normal anti Labor election hate campaign. Are there not laws against this?
    The Courier Mail has also run what one would have to believe is a Labor hate article 2 days out from an election: "GETUP FRAUD SCAM". The headline are telling a totally different story from the facts of their website being hacked. I would go further and suggest, given the timing and a repeat of behaviour from the last election campaign, that the Liberal Party machine may well have been involved in this. But in all fairness only an investigation by the Federal Police could establish this.

    You claim 'not our fault' but 2 days out from the election???? Tell me about skimmers and everyday events Geezer. People are not stupid enough to not be able to link the two. Where there's smoke there's fire and I smell a firestorm here.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    8:40pm
    Your not the only one Mick !! Sniff ! Sniff !! I smell something lower than a Snakes Guts !! :-( :-(
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    9:02pm
    Does this mean that All the people that Pre Voted hove now not got a Vote ? OR Were there TOO MANY voting for Get Up and it was time to shut it down ?? :-(
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:53pm
    GetUp has been campaigning to 'put Liberal last'. You can see why it was targeted.
    The question is where does the Electoral Act and our laws say enough and disqualify a Party for corrupt conduct, if it can be proven that a particular Party is involved?
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    10:55am
    This is really really sad. Why crack down on welfare fraud now? This should be an everyday part of their responsibilities to ensure their Department heads are preventing fraud completely. If now they can wave a magic wand and get all these savings then they need to wave their magic wand again and get rid of Department heads and bureaucrats who obviously are wasting Public money by allowing cheats to rip off the system at the expense of true welfare recipients.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:34am
    It's likely a lie. Also, Morrison knows full well that this will not pass the senate unless the coalition controls same.
    The policy is a blatant electioneering lie. I do not understand how anybody with integrity could even contemplate voting for this lot given the last 3 years and the blatant blatant dishonesty and corruption of cash for legislation.
    Rae
    30th Jun 2016
    3:48pm
    I imagine it is designed to win the votes of all those people who don't get welfare and heartily object to paying the mum next door living with the tradesman a pension.

    Genuine welfare for the needy is one thing but there are any number of people getting paid by the taxpayer when they don't need nor deserve it. Probably tens of thousands of them.

    The timing is bad though and indicates once again the nastiness of Scott Morrison and his ideology.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    8:58pm
    Show me the figures, Rae.....
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    11:00am
    I am disgusted with both the Coalition and Labor. Both the crack down on welfare cheats and the changes of the marriage act have very little to do with the majority of people in Australia. Why couldn't they both announce something that effected the majority of Australians?
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    11:03am
    Changes to the marriage act ( Gay Marriage) is an insignificant issue and should be at the bottom of the list of any Political Party.
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    11:07am
    Cracking down on welfare cheats should be an every day event. That's what Governments are meant to do. Ensure that Taxes spent are spent to the benefit of the whole community. With the welfare bill we have if they were more diligent in preventing welfare fraud not only could the less fortunate who are entitled to welfare be taken care of better but services could be improved for all Australians. Welfare cheats are a blight on any society.
    Jannie
    30th Jun 2016
    11:07am
    Because the pollies sit in their ivory tower and have no idea how we have to struggle, sick and tired of them complaining about the baby boomers and the age pensions they will have to pay us. Stop giving handouts to refugees and cut immigration immediately this is where the government of the day would go into surplus within one year.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:36am
    They could have a bipartisan agreement on some issues but since Abbott it has been torpedo everything and bugger the nation. That is why we should all be voting in Independents. I did.
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    11:56am
    And you weren't on your own Mick. Funny how common sense statements on real issues are being made by people like Glen lazarus,Nick Xenophon,Richard Di Natale and the LNP and labor are caught up in issues that many people just switch off to.Thought with Turnbull and Shorten leading the major parties some real bi-partisan dialogue could have occurred but sadly No.When Turnbull pulled the double double dissolution card ,that's when he lost me. A leader who isn't willing to negotiate and compromise is no leader in my opinion.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    12:20pm
    You have it in a nutshell.
    GeorgeM
    30th Jun 2016
    1:40pm
    That's right, Old Geezer and mangomick. Both sides have clearly shown their priorities are completely wrong and they need to be thrown out. Add the Greens to that "throw-out" list as well. The 50+ group is very large and has power if all choose wisely.
    mangomick
    1st Jul 2016
    9:06pm
    Trouble is George , even the few on here can't agree to disagree. While I don't agree with all of the Greens policies at least they seem to have a social conscience. Unfortunately certain sections of the Greens have been infiltrated by the ultra far left...."the watermelon greens"
    I think there is probably room for a new political party in Australia. One with true Liberal views with a modicum of a social conscience. One that cares about what sort of Australia we leave to our grandkids one that cares about our natural environment our waterways and fauna and flora, clean air, clean cites and not all for growth at any cost.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    9:10pm
    Mangomick and that Party is Australian Liberty Alliance.
    Cautious
    30th Jun 2016
    11:01am
    Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
    What is actually wrong with a crackdown and sorting out payments being made that shouldn't be?
    Surely that means more money for other things.
    The issues about pollies payments and rich people's perks are issues in themselves.
    Everything just have a political slant I guess.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    11:06am
    Do you honestly believe that if any Government can collect all the debts and stop so-called fraud by welfare recipients that the proceeds will actually be channeled back into Welfare?
    Jannie
    30th Jun 2016
    11:09am
    The system should be doing this already it is a smoke screen.
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    11:10am
    Actually niemakawa the money doesn't have to be all channelled back into welfare. If some was channeled back into early education and training it could mean less dependent on welfare in the future.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    11:12am
    The big problem with welfare is it's complexity. Nothing is consistent and is open to interpretation.

    The whole system needs a complete overhaul to make it simpler and more consistent across the many welfare payments.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:37am
    If you want reform then you do not vote for either side. That brings on the soul searching and the realisation that the self interest gravy train is leaving.
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    Agreed mangomick, but govts don't want long term solutions, that way they have issues to electioneer on. You would need bipartisan agreement for such long term solutions.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    12:21pm
    And that is what proper government is about Kaz.
    Hairy
    30th Jun 2016
    11:19am
    I'm with you mangomick the main three have had ample time and years to crack down on the mismanagement of taxpayers money and it should start with them they are the managers and to be honest they are failing the people big time.the retoric of clamping down is just another discrimination rant from typical lieberal propaganda.well I'm fighting back no more votes for these self serving maggots.
    mIKER
    30th Jun 2016
    11:19am
    Go Morrison! Cut down on .02 percent of welfare fraud to fund giving an even bigger tax cut to businesses and a pay rise to overpaid executives. It certainly won't trickle down to create more jobs, it will only trickle down into bigger profits.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:38am
    On the money. Wealth transfer to the rich at work!
    Pegasus
    30th Jun 2016
    11:28am
    The Coalition put me last in their priorities. I will put them last on election day.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:39am
    I did yesterday despite the dozen or so how to vote stooges trying to get me to vote for the worst party in the election.
    Sundays
    30th Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    Yes Pegasus And everyone who cares about health and education. I can't think of a single
    Liberal election policy that will benefit Australia. Certainly not the tax cuts to big business!
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:38pm
    Yes, please, Pegasus, vote Labor with knobs on and let's go broke together because no government will have the guts to get rid of all you useless whingers but once the coffers are empty - well, there is no other choice but to let you fend for yourselves again. Please vote Labor and let's get rid of you!
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:57pm
    Yeah Methinks alias Frank. Paid Liberal Party trolls seems to be the way a couple of days out from the election.
    I strongly suggest readers put Liberal LAST. I did yesterday.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    5:01pm
    Mick . For the house of reps I have put LIB/LAB/GREENS as my last 3 picks in my electorate. In the senate I have not selected any of their candidates.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:21pm
    Whilst I would disagree with your order if you have left the big 3 off the senate paper and picked Independents who have a chance of getting up you at the very least blocked aggressive legislation getting through. We'll see on Saturday.
    alinejordan
    30th Jun 2016
    11:33am
    all the policies put forward in 2014 will become reality after a Lib government is reelected. totally cracking down on the people who can least afford it whilst lining the pockets of the rich. trickle down? to Panama more like! and the environment? forget about that, it's just not convenient..
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    11:40am
    Australians have several choices. Putting Liberal last is at the top of the list. Voting for Independents is next. And voting Labor or Greens is next. Pick your poison!
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    11:57am
    Mick you are a frustrated Labor voter why don"t you vote for them and be done with it or are you worried that Billy boy shorten can"t do the job and is only carrying in to Parliament the same fools in his cabinet that Gillard and Rudd had namely Bowen, Wong, Burke ,Albanese, Conroy and that bloody Swan .
    This lot put us in deep shit and will continue to do so.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:18pm
    Mick if you put Liberal last you are voting for Labor.

    Robbo I agree we can't afford another Labor government as we are already in enough deep shit.

    Looks like the betting odds have shortened further overnight in favour of the Coalition.

    So Mick it will be another 1095 days before your beloved Labor can have another crack at re-election.
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    12:50pm
    Old Geezer, MICK knows very well how the system works he's an ex independent. MICK is fully aware he is hoping for a Labor victory.
    Under the Union/ALP rules which were set up by Kevin Rudd Shorten will call a spill after he loses the election.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:10pm
    Here we go again.... I thought they would have had you on a Liberal Party polling booth today Frank. Let's hear it for pink batts and school halls rather than the CURRENT money transfer to the rich via corporate tax cuts or election funding frauds involving big business and the Liberal Party.
    Let the games begin.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    5:02pm
    MICK "Putting Liberal last is at the top of the list."

    With the new Senate voting system you can do better than putting them last. Leave the box blank.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:18pm
    That is precisely what I did yesterday Theo.
    Snowflake
    30th Jun 2016
    11:41am
    When have the Liberals thought anything out.
    The 2014 budget, one of the most disgraceful acts of any government in recent history.
    GST to 15% that lasted 24 hours but will still be lurking in the back of the minds of those Liberal politicians. Let the states raise their own taxes. Another 24 hour blip in concentration. Now a crackdown on welfare. Cheats, yes but can you blame them when it is hardly enough to live on. (Now you know why people stole loaves of bread except the government has nowhere to send us) anyone noticed we are going to waste $150 milliion on a plebiscite about gay marriage but Turnball is going to allow his ministers to decide the outcome. What a joke. They may as well vote first and save us the money. Just a bunch of right wing tossers. The worste Liberal government ever.
    Mar
    30th Jun 2016
    11:50am
    As far as I am concerned I see that this government treats pensioners and welfare recipients as bludgers. I am totally against cheats, but in the scheme of things there would be very few. Centrelink is becoming like the Gestapo. Amazed they blatantly brought this in as a cost saving at the last minute, as I said yesterday, they showed their true colours. They certainly sealed their fate with me. Liberals (they don't know the meaning of the word) last on the list for me.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    12:01pm
    Hey Mar of course pensioners are welfare recipients what else are they? They receive free money from the Government because they can"t look after themselves and that is why they are also called bludgers
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    12:27pm
    Mar, they announced it in the last minute but have had it working for months. The latest announcement included syncing ATO records with Centrelink so that the fraudsters pay back with their tax refund. It was revealed that these fraudsters get a refund on average of $2,000.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:45pm
    They are also looking into people's insurance policies where they have separately listed their Van Goughs and gold assets. So beware all you pensioners you will soon have to state the true value of you art work and gold bars.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:12pm
    Can't you tell the LNP trolls at it again. Rules for some and (different) rules for others. Go after the dirt poor whilst piling yet more money into the bank accounts of the wealthy.
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    2:49pm
    MICK, if you lived as a poor person instead of your Sydney harbour side mansion your statements may have a little credibility.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    2:54pm
    Shut up Mick and you might just learn something.
    Rae
    30th Jun 2016
    3:58pm
    Oh Goody. Can we now match up ATO returns to current assets.

    The Italians had a field day when they started tax audits of everyone owning a luxury car or boat whether registered to a company or not.
    People were asked to explain how they paid for it all.

    Personally I loathe the fact that my taxes are paying for luxury cars, travel, dinners, boats, insurance etc for those perfectly able to pay for things themselves.

    Welfare fraud as far as I can see. Just a different sort.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    4:02pm
    In Italy the banks will question anyone who deposits cash over and above 500 euro.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:55pm
    Troll central here today Rae. Don't expect other than troll comments trying to convince readers to vote for the Liberal Party. Not happening!
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    10:56am
    Its 50/50 = Bad or Worse !! :-)
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    11:58am
    Another end of the month (and also the end of the tax year!) I've just done my budget and am pleased to see we (again) stayed within my budget of $2,500 a month - and all that despite some vet fees of over $400, a plumber call-out worth $150, some other maintenance charges of $450, and the payment of yet another insurance premium. All this I pay from my own retirement savings as I am a self-funded retiree and I don't know what those government-supported aged pensioners whinge about when they say their pensions (which they never paid for) aren't enough. I mean, almost $23,000 for a single pensioner and over $34,000 for a pensioner couple (not to mention all sorts of supplements) is HUGE!!! They could never have bought such an annuity policy even if they had saved all
    their lives (which, of course, they didn't and that's the problem).

    We live in one of the most generous countries in the world and I just wished people were more appreciative of it rather than complaining all the time!
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    12:03pm
    Spot on Methinks
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:12pm
    I agree Methinks. They should be grateful and stop complaining.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:14pm
    A new avatar Frank. Have not seen that one before. But as normal more lies. People have paid for their pensions but pollies then put this into consolidated revenue. Well you know that Frank.
    Theo1943
    30th Jun 2016
    5:23pm
    MEthinks, something to think about

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-03/kevin-andrews--makes-unfounded-welfare-claim/5215798

    Look at Total social expenditure comparison with other countries, we spend 19.5% of GDP

    Look at spending on Age pensions chart, we spend 3.5% of GDP on aged pension, far less than most OECD countries.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    8:06pm
    Well no wonder other countries are battling with debt! Looks to me like we are going down the same path as well by that article.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:18pm
    And guess who wants to give $50 billion of taxpayer money away to American investors?. You guessed it: Santa Malcolm preaching responsible economics. The same man who destroyed the NBN which is now costing us billions more.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    9:57pm
    Spot wrong Methinks.. those on pensions have paid since the 1940's through income tax and taxes from other sources, all poured into a Social security pot.

    Most 'self-funded retirees' have had opportunity to take advantage of some very advantageous things, such as manifold tax concessions, super concessions, dividend imputation, and no tax on super.....

    Most such 'self-fundeds' have NOT paid for it themselves in large measure - the taxpayer has.
    *Imagine*
    30th Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    Welfare fraud works both ways. What happened to the money that we paid towards our pensions (7% extra taxation) in our early years of employment? Which fraudulent activity ripped off my rights to receive some of that money back? Where was it invested? Where has it gone? What right has the Government to tell me that because I worked two jobs and saved hard, that I am no longer entitled to my fair share, or any share, of receipts from my contributions? Yes please, lets sort out the welfare fraud starting with the biggest criminal rip off that has ever been perpetrated on the Australian Aged Pensioners. I am taking my rage to the ballot box. Hope that you do the same.
    Sen.Cit.90
    30th Jun 2016
    12:36pm
    Hi Imagine,
    I'm pleased to read your comment. I'm aged 87 and during my working years I was also taxed an extra 7% supposedly as a fund to pay us for any social benefits that may be needed including Age retirement.
    This money was borrowed by the government (I think Menzies) to pay for infrastructure etc. When Hawk (I think) became premier he stated the government could never pay off the huge debt to the Fund; he scrapped it cancelled the debt and put the present system into being. This is now forgotten by the younger generation of retirees as is obvious by some of he comments one reads on this web site.
    Yes, I'm taking my contempt to the ballet box. NON of the big three. AlP, Lib/Nats, or Greens.
    Sen.Cit.90
    30th Jun 2016
    12:37pm
    AIP read ALP
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    1:36pm
    Think you will find it was Phil Lynch as treasurer under the Frazer Government that closed that fund and rolled it into consolidated revenue. It was labor that started the fund so there would be Pensions and welfare for the less well off.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:16pm
    Good posts. A bit more honest than the ones from Frank and his avatars above.
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    12:02pm
    Why is it "unfair" to target crooks? There are plenty of crooks in gaols who have been defrauding the Commonwealth and stealing from the taxpayer. Surely none of us would think it is wrong to have law enforcement in this country?
    marls
    30th Jun 2016
    1:42pm
    frank
    actually there are very very few in custody for defrauding commonwealth
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:19pm
    I'd like to see laws which went after the very top where fraud is a word without meaning. Perhaps we need to start with government itself.
    I again heard a call last night for a federal ICAC to be set up. Who supports that? This will end the fraudulent acceptance of funding by the Liberal Party and to a much lesser extent Labor. After that let's work our way down whilst at the same time building big new jails. Plenty of well heeled Australians would find their way there.
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    2:55pm
    marls, how many is "very very few"?
    ex PS
    1st Jul 2016
    5:56pm
    Apparently the LNP has a problem enforcing laws, that's why they will do anything to prevent a close look at banking activities, it seems only Unions engage in suspect activities in this country.
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:58pm
    That is what Frank and his avatars will tell you.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:07pm
    Maybe the ones who so vehemently demand a stop to welfare fraud crackdown are the ones who are engaged in it? Cheating on your tax and cheating on your welfare payments is cheating on the honest citizens out of whose pockets the money comes. Welfare and tx fraud is endemic in this country: every second tradesman who comes to my house to do a job is 'officially' on government welfare - and they brag about it!!! I'm also glad I am 70. Because, mostly, I'm not going to have to see the world these people are making. Thank God I'm on the way out and not on the way in.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:48pm
    They only way to get a tradesman around here to do a job for you is the black market too.
    marls
    30th Jun 2016
    1:43pm
    old geezer
    agree i organised an electrician to do some work, it was cash and he did not give me a receipt.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:45pm
    If that is the case you should not engage them to carry out work. Or at least ask for a tax invoice. If they say know then report them to the tax office. Otherwise you are part of the problem associated with fraudulent activities.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:22pm
    Dishonesty is a growth industry spawned by the media and the death of the church because of child molesting priests.
    Let's start at the top and work out way down. When average people see that the rich are obeying the law then they too will obey the law. Until then why should they Frank?
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    8:15pm
    What's a tax invoice? No one around here even knows what they are let alone seen one. If you want to get work done it's cash or you do something in return for them. OK I could always just watch a few youtube videos on how to fix my electrical problem and hope for the best instead. So I'm either dead or part of the problem. Not too keen on the first option.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:49pm
    Actually the question is WHAT IS A TAX DEDUCTION and WHAT IS A TAX HAVEN? And then we look at family Trusts, averaging income which was never earned by other parties and let's give the family dog an ABN and an income.
    And you want to talk about a tax invoice Geezer?
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:01pm
    What tradesman is a pensioner?

    I totally oppose the kind of witch hunt this moronic government always embarks on for the ears of the easily dumbed down, who imagine themselves morally and in every way superior to anyone down on their luck.

    I auto-fill my tax returns - I keep all bodies with an interest up-to-date on my circumstances...

    That doesn't mean I should condone some form of jihad against those with the least by those with the most.
    Tom Tank
    30th Jun 2016
    12:10pm
    It is a typical response of right wing governments around the World to introduce measure to "crack down" on those who can least afford it.
    Yes certainly crack down on fraud but what about the fraudulent behaviour of the big banks?
    oops sorry my mistake they are contributors to the LNP financial coffers. Of course Morrison won't touch any of his supporters, especially the wealthy ones.
    It is this elitism that has sparked the problems with the EU. The less well off just got fed up by being controlled by those who were well off.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:24pm
    You won't find a crackdown on the top end. Sure you'll have PM finger waving at banks and the like ..... but no legislation! No jailable offenses. No huge punitive actions. No regulatory bodies with real teeth and/or conviction as with Alan Fels at the helm of the ACCC.
    None of that thank you very much. We are the government!
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:03pm
    You saw that with some of the greatest con men in personal funds managers in banks - get to retire on stress with a nice income for life after such things as falsely signing forms in client's names and so forth....

    Time for a Federal ICAC with full powers..
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    12:13pm
    ANOTHER THING I say too>>>>>> Affordable housing is the way to go, it doesn't get destroyed like Public Housing gets destroyed by INGRATES... who should never get any Public housing at all.

    In fact they should have NO RIGHT whatever to any NICE THING, for they only destroy it and then expect more.

    Then the Govt is crazy enough to tug their forelock, bow and give these vermin another nice property to destroy, because it is their right to have housing.... go figure.

    There are plenty of folks out there who are thankful for a nice place to live and look after it and take a certain pride in that, THEY are the tenants needed, not ferals and every other loser in society.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:04pm
    Who are these 'ingrates''? Sounds like you are confusing a very small minority with everyone on Social Security here.

    Plenty of those folk out there who would be grateful for a nice home are Pensioners and Unemployed.....

    Be careful with your broad strokes....
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:14pm
    PLEASE, would all you whingers please vote LABOR, and vote for it with knobs on because then we will finally get rid of you because to pay you all those 'entitlements', wealth must first be created before it can be spent. No Labor government has ever created wealth; all it created was a welfare-dependent populace whose only question ever is, "What's in it for me?" So, please, please, please, vote Labor so the country can no longer afford to pay you for the sort of lifestyle you ought to be working for yourself. Let's hit rock-bottom with Labor and get rid of all you Centrelink 'clients'!
    PIXAPD
    30th Jun 2016
    12:17pm
    I do NOT vote, for no Christian should
    bebby
    30th Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    Hey Methinks, methinks you need to take a Bex and have a good lie down, your prejudice is showing.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:51pm
    I think you are right Methinks. These whingers need to be taught a lesson so they appreciate how good they have it.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:51pm
    Good luck finding a Bex they were taken off the market some time last century.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:54pm
    Good one, Old Geezer :-) But we may all be taking a good lie-down soon if we vote Labor again. We'll all be lie-ing in the gutter together! That's what's called 'solidarity' :-)
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    2:57pm
    Another post from Frank the website troll under a number of names methinks.
    To correct you....political parties do not create wealth. Entrepreneurs do with profit as the main motive.
    Your Liberal Party employer may be a business owned entity but the history in this country demonstrates that big business in this country could not generate a dollar in a money printing factory and is an abject failure...and it has nothing to do with paying workers a real wage.
    Rae
    30th Jun 2016
    4:20pm
    MICK America went on a spending strike in 2009 and business suddenly realised exactly where the business came from.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:53pm
    That is the truth Rae. The bastards at the top think they are important, but they are the scavengers living off the host.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    11:08pm
    Not voting Labor, Liberal, or Greens... and I will continue to 'whinge' as long as I like or until this country is set right again.... regardless of who is in the seat of power and currently wrecking a silly nation for us all.....

    Whinging is a far nicer alternative than is civil war, n'est ce pas?

    More cake to the paisans...... or suffer the tender caress of Madame Guillotine....
    Chris7000
    30th Jun 2016
    12:19pm
    All of those commenting on the politicians benefits are quite entitled to stand for parliament. You can give up your existing secure job and be subject to continual public scrutiny and bagging by people like yourselves. Oh also be ready to work around the clock and if you don't get reelected for a second term you r pension is minuscule. Let's look for something positive out of all of those who are actually trying to do something for their country.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:53pm
    Even with all the perks it is not near enough for me to take on the job as a pollie.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:52pm
    I bet. You are an ex pollie methinks.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    9:16pm
    Besides Trying to do Something, Please Explain Minuscule ?? :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:05pm
    Did-ums!
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    11:11pm
    While I remain cautious of such namby-pamby sentimental issue parties... I will be voting my son-in-law's party - the Animal Rights Party - as one of my first choices...

    He needs the income to support my daughter in the style to which she should be accustomed by now...... and no - I don't believe in nepotism.... (gives insincere grin)....
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    4:51pm
    Secure jobs? Who the hell has a secure job these days. Most new jobs being created are part time or contract, does that mean these people should get the same entitlements as politicians.
    It used to be that Public Servants had a secure jobs but now it seems every two years or so there are not so Voluntary Retrenchments, are you advocating politician type entitlements for them?
    The life of a politician is not much different from a normal worker and their entitlements should reflect this.
    Mar
    30th Jun 2016
    12:20pm
    Sorry Robbo, you are totally wrong. Both my husband and I paid top pay as you earn tax all our lives. We were never out of work and never received a cent from the government.We totally looked after ourselves and our three children. I am now widowed and on the single pension which I believe I worked hard for all my life. I have paid my dues to this society and deserve my pension.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    12:27pm
    We will agree to disagree Mar but I can assure you pensioners are called everything you have stated and more because they simply are free loaders.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    Mar, the taxes you paid didn't go in your personal pension fund; they were used to pay for roads and other infrastructure, for customs, for the armed forces, for fire brigades, for the police force, for everything that makes this country so efficient and so wonderful. THAT is what your taxes paid for; your taxes are the membeship fee you pay for belonging to this wonderful country. They are not your personal piggy-bank! And, yes, the aged-pension is for those who failed to provide for their own retirement. It is a welfare hand-out!!! Get used to it!
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    Agree the pension is welfare not an entitlement. If it was an entitlement then it would be given to everyone reaching a certain age but no one is deemed to rich to qualify for welfare instead.

    We all paid our taxes but some of us provided for their retirement instead of accepting welfare on retirement.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:00pm
    Actually it is an entitlement. Governments past specifically took money out of the pay of AUstralians for this purpose...and then later rolled this into consolidated revenue. Now we have to listen to the voice of Liberal governments claiming that the rightful pension is welfare. A convenient lapse of memory...and the next con from the business government we currently have looking after itself.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    3:04pm
    MICK, that was DECADES ago. So what have YOU been doing to provide for your own retirement in that time? Pissing it up against the wall?
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:51pm
    I am retired Methinks/Frank and I do not even qualify for a Health Care card. Unlike you on a full parliamentary pension! Posters on this website write about you and the other ex pollie trolls with your snouts shoved into the trough whilst spewing out your vile anti Australian nonsense.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:07pm
    Not everyone is so fortunate as to be in the top tax bracket, Mar, and have a husband in the same bracket - you are in no way qualified to judge or comment on such people.

    If you paid top tax all your life - how do you qualify for a pension, dare one ask?
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:09pm
    Robbo - it's been explained to you a thousand times that Social Security is a bought and paid for Right, purchased out of income tax and contributions from other taxes for many decades now.

    Pensioners and Unemployed are not freeloaders.

    Thanks for coming.
    Sundays
    30th Jun 2016
    12:27pm
    Centrelink already crackdown on Fraud, so I can't see how another $2.3 billion in revenue can be generated. Over what period of time is Morrison talking about? More likely, he is thinking of cutting back on welfare and has some measures eg increasing the age to qualify for the pension to 70 waiting for the Senate to pass. I think they will be surprised to find that they have to deal with more independents in the Senate.
    Adrianus
    30th Jun 2016
    12:42pm
    Sundays, you are correct the crackdown on fraud has been ongoing. The centre piece of the recent announcement was the way in which the fraudsters will repay the fraudulent funds. You see the technology has advanced whereby data matching can put welfare fraudsters and taxpayer refunds together. If for example a welfare recipient owes Centrelink $2,000 and he is due to receive a tax refund of $2,500 then he may only get $500.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    12:59pm
    Frank they also hold back family tax payments until one does their tax return. It is only after balancing it all with welfare that they then pay the amount held back into one's bank account.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:02pm
    I want to see a crackdown of fraud from big business, the rich and governments. We'll have none of that will we!
    Rae
    30th Jun 2016
    4:30pm
    Me too MIICK especially payments on luxury car purchases etc and not just big business, small business as well. For too long taxpayers have subsidised business people's lifestyles.

    Limits on refunds for a lot of things need an overhaul.

    If the technology is there to catch out all the cheats then go for it as far as i'm concerned.
    Sundays
    30th Jun 2016
    7:24pm
    Frank, data matching by Centrelink is not new. What you've outlined is already in use. They've been data matching for years including matching with income from superannuation funds, and data matching with death registries. Like I said, how is Morrison generating an extra $2.3 billion
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:10pm
    Time frame about 100 years - the actual rate of return is small, and the majority of punishments are overturned on appeal.....
    Adrianus
    1st Jul 2016
    7:45am
    Sundays, you really are a slow learner mate.
    Sundays
    1st Jul 2016
    9:05am
    Frank, how does this rude comment explain anything? I'll repeat it slowly for you. Centrelink cracking down on fraud has been happening for years, but in the space of a few weeks since the budget, Morrison can suddenly find huge amounts of extra funds. I don't like welfare fraud, but don't overestimate how much money finding cheats will generate
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    9:46am
    The only way Morrison will find $2.3bn from cheats is to change the rules so that everyone on Social Security is a cheat.

    Simple, really.... make illegal today what has been legal until today and sit back and reap the benefits of the elitist life and morality that swings only your way. Been going on for decades now with 'legislations' foisted upon an unthinking and unsuspicious public.

    He'd make a great mullah sitting in judgement on religion offenders..... all guilty as charged....

    This gives a clear indication of the future heading of this country.... downhill all the way unless and until we put a stop to it.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    12:39pm
    Most of the huge promises made by LIB/LAB will never see the light of day. At this stage nobody knows the make up of the senate, remember the upcoming election is a double dissolution. If the predictions are correct neither Liberals nor Labor will hold a majority so their will be deals going on behind closed doors. The independent candidates will side not necessarily for the benefit of their electorate or the wider community but what is best for them. Independents have their own agenda which revolves around them.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:06pm
    Agree. And many will simply be thrown into the waste basket after the voting is done and not even get to the senate. This crew have worked it out and it won't be their fault will it.
    Independents normally have the interests of the country at heart and will pass legislation unless it is vested interest legislation. That's why it is so important to get as many Independents as possible into the parliament. It gives crooked governments nowhere to move other than drafting proper legislation as opposed to mates' manifestoes.
    Oldman Roo
    30th Jun 2016
    5:16pm
    What really makes me wonder and concerned is , why make this announcement a few days before the election . What has been said is fine with most of us but I am worried about what has not been said . The arrogance of the timing is not only an indication of the LNP confidence because Labors Left have again shot their party in the foot and is also seen as the perfect opportunity to push more low income Pensioners into poverty .
    I fully agree with Mick , and think voting Independents is our only hope in a hopeless situation .
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:45pm
    I am 70. I've worked hard since I was 14 and my whole vita had very little dolce in it. I put in long working hours, and never - and I mean NEVER, except for one urgent appendectomy at Christmas 1973 ? - called in sick. I made a reasonable salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am.

    I am tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned and give it to people too lazy to earn it.

    I am tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate (fight global warming? Stop the world's overpopulation! - but that's off the table because it can't be as easily monetised as a carbon tax. Click here).

    I am tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses or stick a needle in their arm while they tried to fight it off?

    I am tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of all parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I'm tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor.

    I am tired of people who don't take responsibility for their lives and actions. I'm tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.

    I am tired and fed up with seeing young men and women in their teens and early 20s bedeck themselves in tattoos and face studs, thereby making themselves unemployable and claiming money from the Government.

    Yes, I'm bloody tired. But I'm also glad I am 70. Because, mostly, I'm not going to have to see the world these people are making. Thank God I'm on the way out and not on the way in.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    1:10pm
    I too wish people would stop whinging and get off their posteriors and do something to help themselves. Be grateful for what you receive and that you live in a country with great freedoms that allow you to do what ever you desire if you just put some effort in. Nothing ventured is nothing gained. If you do nothing then guess what nothing happens.

    I am also sick of the welfare mentality of the people in our great country. Why lift a finger if you don't have to?

    I am sick of hearing excuses why not? I've have always had a rule in my house that the word "can't" is not to be used. Heaven forbid anyone who uses that word or a phone to me as well.
    phantom
    30th Jun 2016
    1:42pm
    Well said Methinks, if they want to whinge about pollies pay packets than go stand on election day handing out the forms and bloody become one of the blood suckers. Work hard and every bastard wants a piece of you. Do what I did, no jobs where I was so I bloody moved to where there was work.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:13pm
    And I am sick and tired of the rich thinking they can make huge sums of money FROM SOCIETY and avoid paying a fair share of tax, if indeed any at all, which keeps the society going.
    Pay your fair PERCENTAGE methinks/Frank and I'll agree to the rest of your rant.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    4:03pm
    These are all good posts could not agree more
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    4:05pm
    Robbo, for cocking the leg, maybe.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:48pm
    Ha, ha, ha.
    Pretty well the only people I see posting above are government employees. You are fooling nobody.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:11pm
    How do you know what the 'work ethic' etc of other people is, Methinks?

    You don't, pure and simple, and you quite simply have no idea what they've done in life.
    KB
    30th Jun 2016
    12:46pm
    I spent an hour and a half on the phone/ Was redirected by the call operator and waited for the extra half hour and was cut off. I then had to make another call which took about an hour before my issue was resolved. How about promises to employ more call staff to cut down wait times and more importantly to train the staff in all areas? I agree what about cutting entitlements to MPs? And both sides being more clear on Medicare and outsourcing?
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:48pm
    KB, we are already giving you money. What do you want now? Five-star service? Get your arse off the couch and away from daytime television and walk down to your Centrelink office. It may even do you some good!
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:50pm
    MP entitlements? Yes, far too generous! BUT there are only 150 parliamentarians AND MILLIONS of welfare recipients!!! It's the welfare recipiants who send this country broke, not the politicians!
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    1:12pm
    I don't spend half an hour on the phone. I just ring them and put phone on hands free and get about doing whatever I normally do and wait for them to scream down the phone "Is anyone there?"
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    3:02pm
    Me thinks methinks is not thinking.
    The country is not broke. There is a great divide between welfare and Aus pollies' income, in fact a great divide between Aus and overseas pollies.
    After research, you will find that labor has done better at managing the economy, but you like to believe a smooth talking man in a suit who has made money for himself (which doesn't bother me) but who doesn't understand he is now a public servant who must think about all Australians, not just the ones who put money in the LNP tin. He has already shown that he will change his convictions for a seat at the table - ask anyone who thought we were getting a more socially conscious lib.
    And sure, there are welfare cheats, just as there are crooked businessmen, pollies, police, Corp tax avoiders, etc. and we are meant to have processes to eventually catch all of them out - maybe we will, maybe we won't.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    3:08pm
    I have done thinking all my life - it's part of my DNA, it's part of my job. And part of that thinking was that I would provide for my own retirement and look after myself rather than become a welfare case and then whinge about never getting enough.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:14pm
    The troll brigade out in force I see.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    3:19pm
    MICK, it's just after 3 pm and you've spent all this working day doing nothing and living off welfare. Are you proud of yourself?
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    4:18pm
    I been thinking the same thing Methinks.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:46pm
    Methinks: no welfare for me Frank. You are the one getting a full parliamentary pension so crawl back under the rock. Judgement day coming for you!
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:06pm
    Wrong Methinks, the politicians are sending this country broke through their massive incompetence!
    And for the record the government gives us nothing, it just redistributes money we have given them in taxes back to us and expects us to be grateful for it.
    Simple really, if they don't want to fulfil their obligations to us like providing a pension system, they can stop taking taxes from us. Other wise they can stop whining and get on with the job we pay them for.
    Farside
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:23pm
    @ex PS, there is only an obligation to pay a pension to those eligible to receive one. Statements like " if they don't want to fulfil their obligations to us ... they can stop taking taxes from us" are absurd. How a government chooses to spend its money is in no way related to the obligation to pay tax. If you don't like how your money is taxed or how the taxes are spent then you need to influence that at the ballot box.
    ex PS
    5th Jul 2016
    7:27pm
    Brian, if the government was spending its' own money your statement would be true, but it is not spending its' money it is spending ours which is collected by them in the form of taxes. There was a nation once who fought a war all about no taxation without representation, this implies the rights of taxpayers to determine how their taxes are redistributed.
    Give to big business, or to pensioners no contest in my book. Government should not interfere with business, unless of course they fail to pay their fair share of tax.
    Farside
    5th Jul 2016
    9:19pm
    The Government does spend its money. Yes the money comes from various sources including taxes. Good luck with fighting a war over your rights to be exempted from the Income Tax Assessment Act and other legislation while maintaining a right to live in Australia. To argue what should be rather than what is does not achieve very much.
    Mar
    30th Jun 2016
    12:52pm
    Your right Sunday's. There has according to this government been a concentrated crackdown over the past 12 months on Centrelink Fraud. This government must have something in the pipeline to rob more off the poor in order to give greater concessions to the rich. The pay back being more votes and keeping them in power. Vote Labour or Independent and support the Senate.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    Yes, please, vote Labor and let's go broke together!!!
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    12:58pm
    Both Liberal and Labor want to include the family home in the assets tests, no thresholds. Those that own a home will be forced to use the equity as collateral should they want to receive a full or even part pension. The Governments will in effect have a mortgage over these homes. So the homeowner will be paying top dollar for Government housing. This is one of Labor's core values. NO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:02pm
    It has nothing to do with NO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. People who live in million-dollar mansions and ask for welfare should be asked to trade down and use some of their equity to look after themselves. Anything else would mean that other taxpayers preserve the inheritance of those rich welfare recipients for their next generation. Either include the million-dollar-mansion in the asset test or re-institute death duty to pay back at least some of the welfare hand-outs given.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:08pm
    Methinks. It has everything to do with NO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. Even the self funded retirees will be hit with enormous taxes which will force them to sell(Mortgage) their homes to the Government to fund their retirement. Democracy not only in Australia but all over the Western World will come crashing down.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:14pm
    Who is talking about selling to the government? Who is talking about higher taxes? It's all about some good old self-sufficiency and less of the "me too" and "what's in it for me" attitude. Governments exist to run the country, not to give you a lifestyle! Anyway, you no doubt will vote Labor and you also will be safe as you won't be around long enough to see them bankrupt this country.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:19pm
    I would not vote for Labor in a pink fit. I am in favour of freedom and the right to own property without it being used as a cash cow for Governments. Labor does not believe in Private Ownership, that is a fact. Liberals are tending that way. I will not vote for them either.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    1:21pm
    Niemakawa. Do you know what a self funded retiree is?

    In reality a self funded retiree is no different than a person who runs their own business. Self funded retirees already fund their retirement without using the equity in their homes or receiving any welfare money.

    So your statement does not make any sense.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:19pm
    Agree niemakawa.
    The trolls would have you believe that somebody in Sydney in a $1 million home is rich and should have no pension.
    The reality is that coalition governments routinely nibble away at anything average citizens have trying their darndest to turn our country into a photocopy of the US where 0.1% of the population owns 90% of everything. Work Choices (it's already back!), GST increases, new taxes on seeing the doctor and now denying the pension to most of the population whilst giving the rich a 5% tax decrease.
    How sick some people are in their spew. It makes me wonder if I am still living in Australia where a 'fair go' was an expectation.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    3:38pm
    Mick I don't think it is fair that people with multimillion dollars house should get he pension and all it's perks. On the other hand we have a young family working man hardly making ends meet each week paying full price for everything.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    3:44pm
    Old Geezer. It is normal for young family working men. Hopefully they will use their skills, knowledge and hard work to gain the benefits and own a multi-million dollar home. Anyone who makes no effort cannot be expected to be supported by those that have.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:45pm
    How much real comment do we have today? Unlikely many of the posts above are from real people.
    ex PS
    1st Jul 2016
    6:03pm
    I reckon Old Geezer and Bonny are either related or the same person.
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:57pm
    There's a few so called posters on here like that. Even a whole new batch who showed up a couple of days ago....just in time for the election. Of course they were all gone yesterday because they were getting ready for polling day.
    Thumper88
    30th Jun 2016
    1:13pm
    Here we go, their not even elected and THE PEOPLE are being investigated. I wonder if the off shore tax havens will be stopped? Me thinks not, the Prime Minister is in that bed too. Big end of town will get the breaks and the Mums and Dad businesses will carry the can. AS well, how many wage earners notice on your pay slips you receive your pay and you have already paid your taxes, the wage earner and small business people don't get the opportunity to use safe tax havens. Maybe the Prime Minister will be a mate and share his secrets and give us all a clue
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:20pm
    A heck of a lot more to come after Saturday if brain dead Australians do what they are told and vote Liberal. God help us.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    5:01pm
    even god could not helps us if we followed labor mick's advise and voted labor or the independents
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:13pm
    You are being illiterate again Frank.
    Be patriotic and vote for Australia by choosing an Independent. Oh that's right....you are being paid by the right to post anti Labor spew. Forgot about that.
    marls
    30th Jun 2016
    1:14pm
    what a load of crap, i have made a report to centrelink twice, and nothing has been done
    i know someone on carers pension and her father lives 90minutes away, she never visit him or does anything for him, in fact its the father to drives to his daughters place regularly and the husband is on disability pension but very capable of doing handyman work, they are debt free, a number of new cars and boats not bad
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:18pm
    Carer pension: another government-subsidised 'activity' which at one time was simply what family members did for their own. We have monitised everything and everyone now wants to be paid for everything.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:25pm
    Yes even stay at home mothers seeking a "wage" from the taxpayer. Terrible. Governments past and present have given out carrots to all and sundry. Now these people are unable to do anything for themselves and spit the dummy if they do not get what they want. I have no interest in others families or their situation. I pay them enough through taxation. Actually I believe personal income tax should be abolished and taxes raised on a user pays system.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:29pm
    Niemakawa, I agree with you (for once :-) as a user-tax - GST!!! - is the fairest tax of all. Unfortunately, no government has had the guts to raise it from 10% to say 15% or even 20% - look what they;re charging in Europe!!! Consumption tax is the fairest of it all because, unless you are a total scrooge and spend nothing, you will get hit when you spend. Unfortunately, it would also have to go with some currency restrictions so that you just couldn't take all your untaxed money overseas. More complications! Nothing is ever simple, is it?
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:34pm
    Methinks GST on money transferred overseas for personal use. Large sums of taxpayers money ( welfare) ends up overseas. Go to any post office any day of the week and you can see it happening in front of your eyes.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    1:35pm
    We were both having radiation treatment and the social worker wanted to assist us both to fill out forms so our kids could get a carers allowance to look after us. No income or assets test but because we had a chronic illness we were automatically entitled to this payment. She was very annoyed when we said that it would not be necessary.
    mangomick
    30th Jun 2016
    1:44pm
    unfortunately GST falls down when tradies do many jobs for cash. Then they aren't paying any tax on the income they make on the job they have done and the GST isn't being paid by the person getting the job done.
    Tradie just does enough jobs on the books to pay minimal tax as he has made enough undeclared money to live very comfortably ,thank you.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:43pm
    The trolls are out in full swing for a last ditch effort to con retirees to vote for exactly the wrong Party. Liberal was LAST on my ballot yesterday!
    Have readers seen the attack on the GetUp organisation and the write up given by the Courier Mail, a Murdoch publication. Federal police need to investigate the link between the Liberal Party and the criminal who did this as a couple of days out from polling.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    8:22pm
    Mick read the story not the headline. Getup got attacked by credit card skimmers who wanted to work out the limit on stolen credit cards so the could value them for the black market.

    Headline just sold a few more papers that's all.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:45pm
    I posted my response a bit further down. We both know the intention of the headline and I question the timing and WHO arranged this 2 days before an election. This was no accident from what I can see and the Federal Police need to find out who is responsible. What's the bet they have no interest.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    9:51pm
    The same as my Bank Account nowadays ! NO INTEREST !! :-(
    Julian
    30th Jun 2016
    1:17pm
    With the proportion of the ageing population growing every year, you'd think that "grey power" is on the increase. The main issue seemingly discussed in this blog is the pension. When the government finally starts listening to this growing minority, hopefully by then, worth taking notice of, the bloggers wont be around to benefit. Until then, do your best and give it to them...just like the man on 7 news who had a brief encounter with Turnbull yesterday on a train platform.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:23pm
    Plenty of money if you collect taxes (all of them) from multinationals and the rich + close offshore tax shelters like Turnbull is using. No interest in that from the LNP though. How strange.
    GB
    30th Jun 2016
    1:29pm
    I get the opinion that much of your political statements has strong ALP sympathies. You bring up interesting articles then add anti-Coalition statements. Judging by many comments on welfare fraud you are out-numbered by readers. A shame as some topics are well considered. Is Bill Shorten your editor? GB
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:24pm
    And you are obviously a Liberal Party troll! Can't have another opinion in politics can we? And can't report the facts either....unless edited by NewsCorp.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    5:08pm
    typical labor mick's comment, if you can't beat them just call them a troll and that from a labor stooge and union organiser
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:12pm
    Yeah Frank. Use whatever name you like. You are what you are.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:12pm
    Buy a new violin, Heemie - that one's worn out...
    QuickeyeQld
    30th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    I understand Scott Morrison said the government would go after welfare fraud, not genuine welfare recipients. There's a big different you know.
    Yes, its worrying about big business getting tax cuts in the future but that won't happen for a few years and a lot can happen between now and then.
    But what is the alternative? Can the ALP do the job? Aren't they just using the same-sex marriage issue to gain an advantage. Of course wouldn't we all agree, that a bill in parliament is a better way to go, rather than a costly plebiscite (which actually means referendum by the way-looked it up in the dictionary-not sure why they have to use this fancy word when in fact it would actually be a referendum). Getting back on track, a bill in parliament would address the issue and free up funds for more pressing issues for example homelessness, disability etc. This is going to be a hard decision to make for all of us. I don't believe we have been offered good options to choose from however an informal vote won't serve any purpose.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:42pm
    Message from your sponsor?
    phantom
    30th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    Target welfare fraud because it is rife. Coming from a small rural town you know everyone and who is duding the system. Reporting does nothing, proving it is even harder. There are to many loop holes and cross checking is still limited. I know people making more on welfare than me working and raising 4 kids. It is the age of entitlement and we have to kerb it.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:34pm
    Well said, phantom. Make them wear a label "I live off other people's hard work" as a compulsory prerequisite for getting anything for free. Anyone caught not wearing it would lose the hand-out :-)
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:41pm
    Message from your sponsor?
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    9:53am
    You, too, Mick - that violin is out of tune and becoming repetitive .... just let them have their say and shoot them down with facts. From what I hear around the traps, nobody is going to vote LNP/LABOR, though some waver towards the Greens without thinking too much about it, so I think most Australians can decide for themselves what is truth and what is not.

    Whichever major gets in it will be a party of self-interest, and the fight will continue for the Common Person.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    10:04am
    TREBOR . Truth coming from a mouth of an Politician is an illusion. I do not believe any of them, but will vote according to my conscience. Our political system is rotten to the core and nothing less than a revolution will change things.
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    11:11am
    They opened their Mouths they Lied !! :-(
    KSS
    30th Jun 2016
    1:41pm
    According to figures released last year there are 3999680 people claiming one of three welfare payments (age pension 2.5m, disability just under 1m and new start also just under 1m. That's 4 million people from a population of 24m. Add to that all the other welfare payments people can get and you can easily see why the welfare cost is $154 BILLION and growing. 3.6m working households in Australia pay NO net tax because the welfare they receive is greater than the tax they do pay.

    I for one object to paying out for example to: disability allowance to someone quite fit enough to join ISIS in Syria and thinks nothing of exhorting death and destruction on the very people paying their welfare; or supporting the beach lifestyle of those too precious to move to where work actually is, or those who refuse to pick fruit then complain of the backpackers who will, or those claiming to be single when living with their partner, or those working on the side and still claiming benefits, or those refusing to work because welfare pays more and a thousand other excuses.

    No-one begrudges those that are truly in need of assistance. However, most people baulk at slogging it out at work to fund someone's lifestyle choice and those who think they are so "entitled" to government money they make a sport of gaming the system. It is these people and these alone that deserve to be investigated and if found guilty of fraud, then suitably punished. Those in genuine need have nothing to fear from a crackdown on the welfare cheats.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:48pm
    We have healthy and able-bodied neighbour who have been on welfare for 30 years!!! And everyone thinks they're CLEVER!!! That's the real problem: that so many of us accept and even applaud this attitude! Start a dob-in-the-fraudster line and insist that Centrelink go after them hard (but that's yet another problem because which public servant would make life hard for theselves - or did make work for themselves - by going after them? so the answer is a bounty-system)
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:49pm
    Methinks, do you mean shoot to kill?
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:55pm
    Watch a bit of this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqt9Uyf5BVQ
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0dL4KFLqyk
    QuickeyeQld
    30th Jun 2016
    2:02pm
    Its all very well to say you have a neighbour who has been on welfare for 30 yrs etc. but some disabilities are invisible and some people need to keep their personal situation to themselves. Perhaps you should get to know them better.
    There are actually people who have difficulty coping in the workplace for various reasons. I have a friend who has tried a number of times to enter the workplace and it simply was not possible for her to be there. I understand it took a number of people to support her just to fill in a timesheet. I don't begrudge her being on welfare and support her in coping as best as she can.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:40pm
    The trolls are out in full swing for a last ditch effort to con retirees to vote for exactly the wrong Party. Liberal was LAST on my ballot yesterday!
    Have readers seen the attack on the GetUp organisation and the write up given by the Courier Mail, a Murdoch publication. Federal police needs to investigate the link between the Liberal Party and the criminal who did this as a couple of days out from polling.
    ex PS
    3rd Jul 2016
    3:30pm
    Methinks, Public Servants don't decide anything, they are directed and guided by politicians through policy and guidelines. If people are getting away with doing the wrong thing it is generally because Public Servants are having their hands tied.
    Mar
    30th Jun 2016
    1:44pm
    METHINKS! Why don't you form a POSSE.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:49pm
    What a good idea!!! :-)
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:50pm
    Yes shoot first ask questions after.
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    4:13pm
    You wouldnt want Billy Shortonbrains as the Sherrif he"d shoot himself in the foot this fool can"t even drive a car without cleaning up 4 parked cars or buy a pie for his kid without getting into trouble.

    Imagine the deputies Conroy ,Wong Pilberflaps, Burke, Albanese what a disaster.
    You would probably have to name them the Labor Posse
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:37pm
    The trolls are out in full swing for a last ditch effort to con retirees to vote for exactly the wrong Party. Liberal was LAST on my ballot yesterday!
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:13pm
    Yes - amazing number of 'new' names here today..... will be gone like a snowflake at high noon in an Arizona summer after the election.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:38am
    Yeah, Frank is trying to get some credibility but the comments are the same old nonsense.

    30th Jun 2016
    1:45pm
    Crackdown on welfare cheats? OF COURSE! What a silly question to ask! This cheating is STEALING and there are a lot of people doing it. I would like to know why the high tech fraud detection equipment that Centrelink is supposed to have is not getting a result - ? Why isn't the ATO following up overseas corporations that are cheating on their tax? Is anyone following up on BOZO'S dropping the NBN ball? There are NO priorities with this government, only damage control when an emergency takes place. NO ONE in the current governmental cares about anyone or anything but themselves. Pathetic, blood-sucking scum!
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    1:47pm
    Labor/Greens are no different.
    HarrysOpinion
    30th Jun 2016
    1:55pm
    Profile the cheats publicly then you will see the cheats depart very quickly.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    2:06pm
    HS, all welfare recipients should be named on a website open to the public. That way we could easily find out who is gaming the system! Could we make this an election issue? :-)
    Anonymous
    30th Jun 2016
    2:08pm
    No, Labor and the Greens are no different from the LNP and that is why none (or VERY few of them) should be voted for. Vote for an Independent candidate, Australian Alliance, One Nation, whomever you have heard something GOOD about. BOZO is worried about the smaller parties getting into government, but they are the people this country needs in order to have checks and balances within the government, instead of the inept, egotistic, lazy, deaf, greedy politicians who are now in office. The whole system of governing this wonderful country needs to be shook up and the dead wood, the hangers-on, and the parasitic scum gotten rid off. Please choose your votes carefully and vote these current incumbent bludgers out of office!
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    2:35pm
    Methinks. Put stocks i n every town centre so the public can help with the outing of these crooks. Rotten eggs an' all
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    2:37pm
    Rotten eggs are too good for them!!!
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:36pm
    Wastin your time today Eddie. The trolls are out in full swing for a last ditch effort to con retirees to vote for exactly the wrong Party. Liberal was LAST on my ballot yesterday!
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    10:00am
    Methinks - do you mean Social Security recipients? Welfare is getting a help from St Salvos etc.....

    What business is it of yours, as I say to the layabouts at the local pub when I park in the disabled spot? None of your business, either, but I've got and had fifteen disabilities and been on DSP since 1997, and am now on Aged, yet have had to contend with a moron neighbour with your mentality trying to organise a posse to 'get' me for rorting, while he was going out doing cash jobs and crowing about it.

    Your kind are a very sick breed and as thick as two logs tied end to end - and like the layabouts at the pub - be advised that three of you sitting there will not help you if you take it further or if I come out and find one of my tyres half flat again.

    Mind Your Own Business - or did you mother not teach you simple manners and civility?
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    11:08am
    Don't take that personally, Methinks - that's for the layabouts... punk kids raised by single mothers and taught to hate older men..... not a good lifestyle choice ....
    ex PS
    3rd Jul 2016
    3:40pm
    TREBOR, don't take it personally there are always people out there who have such miserable lives that they automatically think the worst of others. I've always been taught that as long as I have enough and those I care for have enough, why worry about what my neighbours are getting.
    I don't care what people have paid for their houses, how much money they have in the bank or how they choose to spend it, simply because it is none of my business, just as it is none of the governments business. That is of course as long as I am taking nothing from them.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    1:58pm
    Watch a bit of this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqt9Uyf5BVQ
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0dL4KFLqyk
    Culgoa
    30th Jun 2016
    2:04pm
    Nothing has been said about cutting off the allowances to former Prime Ministers who are costing us massive amounts. It was recently reported Howard is costing taxpayers $6000 per week. Imagine what this could do for some of the nations homeless These professional freeloaders earn substantial additional funds from the public speaking circuit and consultancy work - but these cretins have no conscience.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    2:08pm
    As of 1 July 2014, the base salary for backbenchers is $195,130. According to the Parliamentary Superannuation Remuneration Tribunal, the average base salary for each Senator and Member of the House of Representatives is $199,040. Ministers receive $307,329, Cabinet Ministers $336,599, the PM’s salary is $507,338, the Deputy PM gets $400,016, whilst the Opposition Leader receives an annual salary of $360,990.

    However, the perks they can claim on top of their extremely generous salaries border on scandalous.

    On top of their generous pay packages, MPs receive an electorate allowance of between $32,000 and $46,000 per year to cover the costs incurred when performing official duties, but any unspent amount is treated as taxable income.
    Travel allowance for official business ranges from $273 per night for Canberra stays, to $472 for stays in Perth. The PM can claim up to $564 per night for stays away from his home or government residences.
    An official tax ruling allows ministers to claim up to $1000 per week as travel allowance, even if they stay in homes they own. On top of that, they receive deductions on all expenses for their second residence, for things such as electricity, insurance and property maintenance. Then, if they were to sell that property, it would be capital gains tax-free.
    MPs receive unlimited business class domestic flights and a car with driver for official purposes. They can also claim their own private vehicle for both work and personal use if their electorate is 10,000 square km or larger. All overseas transport, accommodation, meals and associated travel costs with ministerial and official visits, delegations and study are also at the expense of the taxpayer.
    Up to nine business class return trips to Canberra for the minister and their partner are covered, along with three trips for each child and three business class interstate trips for partners and children. Ministers on official business also receive unlimited travel for their partners.
    A minister is allowed to keep gifts from industry and private benefactors, so long as they are not worth more than $300. Gifts valued at up to $750 are allowed to be kept so long as they are from a government source. Up to $50,000 is allowed for office facilities with another $100,000 allowable for administration costs.
    As far as superannuation goes, MPs who signed up prior to 2004 receive 11.5 per cent of their salary paid into super (for up to 18 years), then 5.75 per cent after. Add to that the ‘golden handshake lump-sum payments and generous pensions based on years of service. Any politician who joined after 2004 receives 15.4 per cent of their salary paid into super for 18 years.
    Once an MP who joined Parliament before 2012 retires, they receive a Life Gold Pass for unlimited travel within Australia. Those who joined after 2012 receive severance travel allowances for up to 10 trips per year.
    MPs who retire involuntarily get a resettlement allowance of three months’ salary plus another three months if they served for more than a full term in government.
    And former PMs receive a multitude of allowances at the discretion of the current PM.
    How much did your local MP spent last financial year? Choose from the drop-down menu below to find out (and, by the way, the names are not in alphabetical order but in descending order of total expenditure claimed, with the highest claim of $1,073,988 going to ex-accountant Barnaby Joyce. Congratulations, Barnaby; the Australian Society of Accountants must've coined the slogan 'Not Your Average Accountant' just for you!)
    Get the data here:
    http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/parliamentarians-reporting/parliamentarians-expenditure-P36/
    jamesmn
    30th Jun 2016
    2:07pm
    another one of turnball attacking the pensioners you cant trust any of them they only say what people want to hear but if they get back in they attack everyone except themselves what about all the helicopter rides that were taken when they should not Barnaby Joyce is guilty of this also you cant trust them on Medicare or anything they say vote them out they cut millions from the health system and hospitals and schools and then because there is a election they promise more funding the so called health minister the liberals have got cut rebates on pbs medicines and took a lot off the system altogether a vote for liberals or nationals is a vote for turnballs mates that don't want to pay the right amount of tax.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    2:33pm
    I think the health and education systems are top heavy on administration staff. If they cut in those areas then all well and good.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    2:39pm
    The FEDERAL Health Department administers no hospital or clinic at all!!! It's just a self-serving bureaucracy - but then aren't they all?
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    3:43pm
    Agree health and education need to become more efficient not have more money thrown at them. Needs to be a lot more accountability especially in the health system.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:33pm
    I think the above are posts from government trolls!
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    11:17pm
    I wouldn't mind if the bureaucrats in the hospital system actually pulled their weight... as it is, it is a nice job to come in and sit down for a few hours a day and collect pay and super..... but no decisions or hard work, please...
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    11:21pm
    I think the hardest work they all day now is lift their Morning Cuppa !! :-(
    ex PS
    1st Jul 2016
    6:29pm
    Yes let's get rid of all of the administrative staff in Hospitals and Schools and pay doctors, nurses and teachers 3-5 times as much to do the same job, of course this will take them away from patients and students, but at least we will have the satisfaction of seeing more Public Servants out of work. This will have the additional benefit of decreasing the amount of money available to small business through the loss of wage earners and provide an immense amount of satisfaction to those who like to whine about the unemployed.
    I am quite sure that those who talk about public servants doing nothing and sitting around drinking tea have never worked in the public service and do not actually know anyone who does. The sum total of there knowledge comes from 1970's comedy shows, it is time that they realised that these shows are sitcoms not documentary's.
    The big question is, do you want your loved ones looked after people who are splitting time between administrative work and what they are actually trained to do. I'm in England at the moment, the big story of the week is about children being maimed and killed in hospitals because there are not enough staff to do the job properly, is this what we want?
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:54pm
    ex PS: Whilst I recognise a need for public servants the main issue is that too many have what appear to be 'phantom' jobs.
    Local councils are an absolute joke. I see the same old reports being redone every year. Reports which nobody reads and which serve no real need. We have a 'Health of the Lagoons' report here where the local council uses an excavator to open all of the local lagoons which results in dead fish and a badly degraded ecosystem. But you get the feel good reports every year. And there are more.
    My daughter took up a temporary semi management job a year ago with one of the local councils. When my wife suggested that she accept an offer of full time employment she replied that her fellow workers were too laid back, never rushed anything and deadlines did not really exist. She suggested she could not last in such a culture and moved on.
    Sorry we are going to agree to disagree on this one PS. Bureaucracy may be a necessity of like but it is a pretty bludgy when compared to the commercial world from what I can see anyway.
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:17pm
    MICK, we can agree to disagree on this one, all I can tell you is that I spent 20 years in state government, worked my way up from the lowest paid position to middle management, worked in several departments and never had a cruisey job.
    I did work on projects that seemed to go nowhere but this was mostly due to political interference mostly around election time.
    Having worked roughly the same periods of time in private and public sectors my experience has been that those that I have worked with have been equally busy and where inefficiencies were encountered it was generally because of interference by middle and upper management.
    Farside
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:32pm
    @Mick, exPS is right on this. I spent a chunk of my career in a tier 1 multinational, then 12 years as a consultant, and a couple of years in local government. I found that without exception the local councillors and staff were genuinely trying to serve the needs of their community but had been cobbled by not having similar talent and resources as those in other sectors. Change is slow because of the local politics and need to bring the community along for the ride.
    Culgoa
    30th Jun 2016
    2:13pm
    Your article title simply serves to create more fear in elderly readers. Not all people will be affected. Choose your wording more carefully.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    2:16pm
    Nobody who is not cheating the system has anything to fear. But if they made that their headline who would read the article? This website, too, is part of the whole commercial compact: just look at the advertising on it. It's a COMMERCIAL website masquerading as acting in your interest.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    2:34pm
    If you are fearful then you must have something to fear.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:10pm
    The real fear you need to have Culgoa is if the current government gets back in. You had the cross bench senators to block the Abbott and Turnbull attacks on average Australians in the past 3 years but if this is gone then so will be your protection.
    Mar
    30th Jun 2016
    2:28pm
    Disagree with you Culgoa. The article only outlines what a lot of Pensioners already thought after Scott Morrison outlined his most recent "savings". We may be elderly but we are not stupid. We are entitled to vent our opinions. I would have wondered why this issue was not addressed if no comment or opinion had been made. This site is well known for giving the aged a voice.
    saf
    30th Jun 2016
    2:42pm
    Good. So many people r grabbing at everything to get either a pension or in part. The age pension is fair if u watch ur spending. Leave welfare for genuine people. How many readers know of a single person living with a partner AND still receive a single mothers pension in full. If they alone were honest..EVERY genuine claimant would receive an increase. The honest women a big YES but there r hundreds of thousands of women not marrying or they'd lose their welfare payments. Disgusting. Labour or Liberal go for them
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    2:49pm
    I know of several married couples who separated - well, 'on paper' anyway - just to each get the single-person pension. Cheating is a national sport. Advance Australia Unfair!
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:08pm
    The top end of society are experts at it though. Well refined skills through years of cat and mouse games with the ATO. And you wonder why Liberal Party campaigns are such low life events.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:15pm
    Social Security, saf - not welfare. Welfare is when you go to the St sallies for help.
    jamesmn
    30th Jun 2016
    2:53pm
    hey old geyser you are that far out of touch are you a polie ??? the collation government has been rorting the system look at how many ministers have had to resign then the s over her helicopter ride then Barnaby Joyce did the same thing in a helicopter ride then the so called foreign minister taking her partner on a trip with her but nothing has been done over the last 2 the liberal party are as corrupt as anything starting at how turnball got in and all the ministers pledging support for abbot then change sides the same goes for their policies.
    Radish
    30th Jun 2016
    2:55pm
    "Methinks" you are quite right.

    There are "many" who rort Centrelink. i.e. hide money in cash so they pass the assets test then cry poor. I am not talking hundreds of dollars I am talking hundreds of thousands.
    Methinks
    30th Jun 2016
    2:59pm
    Pepe, or they 'hide' their wealth in million-dollar houses which are far too big for their needs. It's another albeit legal way of cheating on the system hence the need to include the house in the asset test.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    3:17pm
    Methinks. You want the million dollars included. Well I want interest paid on home loans, council and water rates etc. whether for the main residence or an investment property to be tax deductible. People who rent privately or get cheap Government housing do not pay any of these overheads.The Labor policy of abolishing negative gearing on existing homes will lead to disaster. Remember in the Hawke/Keating era they followed that road but quickly came to a dead end and applied the reverse gear..
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    3:22pm
    An old lady was worried the pension people would take her pension off her if she didn't spend it all. So she went to the bank each week and cashed her pension cheque or withdrew her pension on the same day each week. So used to hide it in various places in her house until she though her daughter was stealing it from her. One day her daughter-in-law came to visit and she handed over a brief case full of cash for safe keeping. Now the daughter-in-law banked the money as she didn't want the responsibility of it. This went on for years with the old lady giving her even more money for safe keeping.

    About 20 years ago the old lady rang her daughter-in-law and said she didn't feel very well and told her where she had hidden some more money in case something happened to her. By the time the daughter-in-law had got the old lady's house the money had already been taken. So she asked the daughter and daughter told her that yes she had it and thought that it was hers to keep as she had earned it. Daughter-in-law decided not to tell her at that time about the money she had belonging to her mother.

    After the funeral the daughter told the daughter-in-law that she didn't want anything ever to do with her because of her bad influence on her mother etc. So the house was sold and divided equally between the siblings.

    Years past and the daughter-in-law tried to contact the daughter but got no response from her.

    The daughter died about 12 months ago so the daughter-in-law and the son are now on a world cruise enjoying the old lady's safely keep money plus interest.

    So don't mess with old ladies and their daughter-in-laws.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:32pm
    I am sort of thinking you are on the money jamesmn. The political trolls from the government are out in earnest today as they want a last minute attack to get people to change their vote. I've got mine locked in and it did not go to the coalition.
    I suggest you ignore the noise above!
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    11:19pm
    That would have to be one hell of a rich old lady, Geezer... this is an urban myth....
    ex PS
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:25pm
    When are people going to wake up, how you spend your money is no business of the government it is your money.
    What you are espousing when you talk about letting the government tell you how to manage your money is pure communism.
    It seems the 5th. column has been resurrected and is posing as the LNP support group.
    Kaz
    30th Jun 2016
    3:05pm
    BTW, did anyone read the response? It has ALREADY BEEN COUNTED IN 15/16 BUDGET!
    saf
    30th Jun 2016
    3:06pm
    Give govt housing to those who really need it. Let young people have a flat or house for five years to enable them to get a deposit then give it to the next family.thats fair. Drive around and see the condition of some. Remember only five people too lazy to work or dont like jobs they're sent to, living in a govt house often handed down for nothing other than being an adult child of the original tenent, receive like $2000 combined. A joke. Bring back mental institutions so those poor people who cannot care for themselves can have a warm shower and bed. DOB in anyone u know who lives with their partner saying they dont need to marry when the real reason is they'd lose their welfare. Leave the honest ones alone as they r in need. Shocking. Leave welfare for those who really are entitled and then without the above we'd all receive a big rise.DOB THEM IN
    Scrivener
    30th Jun 2016
    3:52pm
    saf, I take it they did teach maths and humanities at your Primary school and you graduated Magnum-cum-louder and louder and louder! You certainly have a voice but unfortunately a tin ear doesn't make it any sweeter. Don't mean to hurt your feelings but these off-the-cuff proposals are not really well thought through. Cruelty is not an Australian trait. It doesn't become you. How can you know the circumstances people are in by 'driving around'. You are telling us that you jump to conclusions without evidence or understanding and want us to buy into your conclusions. That is cruel. It is un-Australian. Do you work for Centrelink. Certainly sounds like it. That is a Cenrteink staff trait full blown.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    3:36pm
    NEWS BREAK:

    Straight in from the Courier Mail, a Murdoch publication. The GetUp organisation which has been campaigning against the Liberal Party and the response a couple of days out is the headline "GETUP FRAUD SCAM" in response to hackers using stolen credit cards on the website.
    We all need to wonder if this was done by the Liberal Party. Seems highly likely that this is the culprit. It just confirms my belief that the Murdoch operation in this country needs to be ended. AUSTRALIA DOES NOT NEED AN AMERICAN TELLING US THAT COAL SHOULD BE KEPT AND RENEWABLES SCUTTLE. NOR DO WE NEED TO BE TOLD THAT A DISHONEST PARTY LIKE THE LNP SHOULD BE THE ONE WE VOTE FOR.
    The Federal Police need to be on this one. If traced back to the Liberal Party then any potential election win needs to be thrown out as well as individual MPs jailed for political corrupt behaviour.
    This is not what Australians believe in. It is not politics. it is criminal behaviour.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    3:40pm
    And we do not The UN telling us who we can and who we cannot let into our Country.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    3:41pm
    Mick do you think Getup should be profiting by their campaigns that are nothing more than advertisements for products that they get paid to promote?
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    3:49pm
    Old Geezer we all promote products directly or indirectly. Look at the clothes on your back, your car, household appliances. We are all walking billboards.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:29pm
    This is POLITICAL CORRUPTION of the worst kind. Dishonest advertising on a national scale supported by the big business media is one thing but trying to infer that an organisation is corrupt because if fights to remove a dishonest government is totally another.
    The above behaviour is akin to the movie Z which I saw some years ago. Has Australia really reached the stage where political parties are involved in crime to win an election?
    Last time around it was the media refusing to run a very tame add which told Murdoch that Australians did not need to be told how to vote. This time around it appears to be a corrupt association with a criminal(s) who ran stolen credit cards. On both occasions a few days before the election.
    We definitely need a federal ICAC now before government is taken via military means.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    8:40pm
    Mick you are no better than Murdoch with your truth stretching.

    The real story.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/getup-caught-up-in-credit-card-fraud-scams-20160629-gpv281.html
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:43pm
    I saw the headline. That is enough. The meaning was clear 2 days before voting. You know what happened about the same time last time around as well.
    Whilst I did not discuss the details of the story the headlines were telling voters a story of their own. I can imagine people walking past a newsagent and seeing the banner, not buying the rag and/or reading the story itself. An accident? Yeah right. 2 days before the election! One of those things. Sure.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    10:06pm
    It's not near as bad as that blatant Labor Medicare lie.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    11:07pm
    I thought the Unfaithful Windsor was far worse !! :-(
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:36am
    And of course the blatant lowering of taxes for the rich with Turnbull's $50 billion giveaway of taxpayer money takes the cake when it comes to deceit of the worst kind. And the bastard then justified this with a model which has worked nowhere else on the planet.
    What most Australians fail to realise is that a tax cut for the rich means tax increases for the rest of the nation.
    Scrivener
    30th Jun 2016
    3:42pm
    Evil is as evil does.
    Mick
    30th Jun 2016
    3:42pm
    I can't believe how biased your comments are towards the ALP and so anti-LNP.
    1. Firstly what is wrong with cutting down on welfare for those people trying to cheat the system. The amount of money spent on welfare exceeds the combined amounts of that spent on education and health. No one wants to deprive genuine claims but let's not get ripped off by those deliberately rotting the system.
    2. Secondly not everyone is in favour of gay marriage but if you speak against it you're immediately branded a 'homophobic'!
    If they want to be together then call it a UNION. Restrict the word MARRIAGE to its proper use (a union between a male and a female)
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    3:47pm
    The headline infers that Welfare fraud is acceptable to the ALP. Probably that assumption is correct. As for GM I do not agree with it.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    4:23pm
    The above post is NOT from me. Direct from the LIberal Party via one of their trolls operating on the website.
    For anybody unawares there has been a Murdoch publication story in the Courier Mail. Apparently somebody has run stolen credit cards on the GetUp website. As if this is not politically motivated 2 days out from an election. And now the above. Readers please take note.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:25pm
    Now removed. Thank you YLC.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    8:18pm
    Those people caught Rotting the System will be reported to the Health Department !! :-(
    I will not Marry Genetically Modified people in my Church :-( :-(
    Pastor Flagon...
    ayers
    30th Jun 2016
    4:17pm
    Such news come with the words of "deception, rorting, unfairness, dishonesty, false manifesting, checking, deceiving the state, rechecking, questioning, penalizing, jailing, taking to courts...."

    Do you recognize such era in the past Christianity? I assist you to remember... Medieval inquisitioners era in Medieval Europe, especially in Spain and Italy and in other few countries.

    A small suspicion is necessary enough to take the innocent people to take to the court, and possible psycho and bodily tortures to let them ve forced to false confessions toward ending long term jails and capital punishments with unimaginable death scnearios.

    Remapping 500 years ago situations to the current era - supposedly modern and rational positivist minds era-, however some indications (although they try to hide) do not justify such humanistics positivism in full scale!

    The power brokers know that the elderly people are weak and vulnerable at all times, and become easy target to manipulate and fear them. Such news propagates with hidden such subliminal messages that:
    1. Elderly people are somehow are draining money from the Treasury pool. Instead of granting the pension money to elderly, why not to deviate their shares to their pro servers, because the proservers deserves such treatment. Therefore the elderlies' wellfare (my wiew: "not wellfare" but "RIGHT") are to be legitimally eroded, or if possible be removed entirely.
    2. Depressing on the elderly people how to make more sacrificing their money when most needed.
    3. Play with the periodic wellfare or age pension figures how to catch lead points to be interpreted to cut the welfare payment.
    4. In the long run, generate such sense of diminishing to believing in confidence to State, as last resort, rather shift believing to Globalist Actors, such as share market speculators, overseas portfolios manipulaters, ...etc. Most people know who they are and where they live. They are not easily recognizable, but play behind the cascaded financial and politic curtains.
    5. Introduce and play all any kind of money instruments where applicable to alternate against to the pensions. After successful alternations are realized, such mind and physical money transfers are done, then play with the value of shares, then gradually to lesser values without significant awareness of losses by the people over time.
    6. When the financial security started decreasing, the needs of the elderly may not be fulfilled (e.g, with a better health care, nursing care, all careness) anymore, then those elderly will be proned to early deaths and complete removal from the state pension payment scheme.

    well thought and prepared good rip-off path. Wow!!

    How is this game or scenario? It is very recognizable right! No surprise, it has already been being played and ongoing for last 20-30 years.

    SINCERE REMINDER:
    Do not risk your financial future and your grandaughters', grandsons' futures. You know which Party can support you the most. It is a 3 letters only. Just give them your vote on this election on July 2, 2016 to bury those underminers and their overseas backers to the deep ground not to be able again to show heads forever. Because they are not anything other than money suckers in the history and now.
    fordyoot
    30th Jun 2016
    4:21pm
    How typical of these people .. Run out of ideas so lets have a good go at welfare. What about cracking down on tax fraud or crooked pollies something like an ICAC.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:26pm
    Saturday is the time to get even fordyoot.
    Old Man
    30th Jun 2016
    4:39pm
    So, what do people want. Welfare cheats are stealing taxpayers money and the last time I checked the law, stealing was a crime. Sure, there are degrees of theft ranging from the person who has made an honest mistake (ignorance of the law is not a legitimate excuse) and are allowed to pay the money back all the way up to people who plan to rip off hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars. Let's not cloud the issue with personal gripes about how other uses of taxpayer funds are annoying or how some entities are legally avoiding tax payments, those are separate points of discussion.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:28pm
    Hey Old Man/Frank.....change your login and come back as one of your other posters and reply to your own comment like you have been doing all day. Come on mate, give us a laugh or two. Time to get back on to pink batts methinks.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    4:52pm
    Here we have the winner of the Election as predicted by a Psychic "SHARK"

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36669940
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    4:54pm
    So our PM can't lose now then.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    4:58pm
    Either way they are both SHARKS circling for the kill. Vote for neither.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:28pm
    I didn't.
    Old Man
    30th Jun 2016
    5:00pm
    The question has been put "Why target welfare?" and my response to that is "Why not target welfare?" If the average person has a budget problem, the first thing that is usually done is to check spending. Areas where spending can be reduced are targeted and remedial action taken. Some areas are easy to rein in because they are directly under your control and other areas take a bit more work. One wonders why the writer has dropped a paragraph about same sex marriage into the middle of an article about financial matters but then describing a Labor tactic as "brilliant" gives a clue.

    I find the article by interesting in a couple of ways, firstly by Burke and Bowen suggesting that the changes would not be passed without seeing what the changes would be. Shorten said two days ago that if they won the election that they would be very inclusive of the opposition but Burke and Bowen seem to suggest that if they lose that they will continue to block everything. Secondly, the article doesn't say whether any changes to the existing legislation will need to be brought before the Parliament. I would think that finding welfare cheats would be part of the existing legislation.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:23pm
    Ahhhh.... The next troll is here. Frank, you never cease to amaze me. They must be paying you triple time at them moment.
    No time and a half for you Frank. Ha, ha, ha..........
    Old Man
    30th Jun 2016
    6:07pm
    Mick, is this the best you can manage?
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:06pm
    It is what it is Frank.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:14pm
    Why not target welfare?

    1. Nobody has the required skills
    2. It costs more than it gains
    3. The extent of it is grossly overstated for political purposes
    4. The worst of it is perfectly legal and committed by the well off
    5. If welfare fraud is significant, it's because the system is bad. There will ALWAYS be a small percentage of cheats taking a small percentage of any welfare budget, but if it's more than a small percentage, then fix the system and it will reduce. Bashing victims of a bad system doesn't help anyone.
    ex PS
    3rd Jul 2016
    3:48pm
    Frank, remind me, who was it that said "I am the leader of the opposition and in my view it is the job of the opposition to oppose". And then proceeded to block every important policy that the then government put up?
    If you set the rules you can't whinge when the other team uses them against you.
    bandy
    30th Jun 2016
    5:07pm
    Heard it all before,just a internet rumor
    JOHN T
    30th Jun 2016
    5:13pm
    i hope the older population appreciate the fact that a wrong election will cost them dearly if not today but in years to come any one who has seen the American health will regret any adverse action they make FOR HEALTHS SAKE DO NOT VOTE LIBREL
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    5:17pm
    What a lot of rubbish! Medicare is not being sold.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    5:18pm
    There has been and still is a great deal of rhetoric about the American Health System. Why do millions want to go there legally or otherwise?
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    5:26pm
    Because people like me don't not like our public health system. We want to be in charge of our health not any one else. I for one do not not want to be operated on as practice for an unqualified doctor while the surgeon in charge reads his paper in the corner.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:32pm
    Yeah JOHN. And Medicare is only the start. Who Old Geezer is is pretty obvious from his comment methinks.

    niemakawa: actually the answer to your question is the perception of wealth (as portrayed by the media) and the low tax rates. Only low tax rates are correct as average Americans are dirt poor mice. I feel so sorry for them....but this is what coalition governments are trying to do here. The $50 billion tax cut for the top end of town is the first step in the process.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    8:31pm
    Just got a recorded call from Bill Glasson head of the AMA about Labor's lie about medicare. Had one earlier today from Labor telling me their Medicare lie. Talk about tit for tat.

    So Mick you believe self funded retirees should be able to keep their 30% tax paid franking credits and not have them reduced to 25% tax paid instead? Even though I agree with the company tax cuts it will mean less income for me if they do cut company tax.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:36pm
    If all else fails change the subject? Good try Frank.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    11:25pm
    Jesus, Old Geezer - I've had heart surgery, shoulder surgery, nose surgery, and a heap of other stuff... and not even on my DVA card... but on the public system.. and in every case I had to wait no longer than a month and had some of the top surgeons in this country doing the work. At one time I shared the same surgeon with Neville Wran's wife....

    I'm just a lowly pensioner.... I've never had to have some apprentice work on me while the supervising doc sat in the corner... and their people don't get near a patient without very careful training first.....

    30th Jun 2016
    5:28pm
    labor and union organiser mick must be having his tea or his afternoon nap, have not seen any of his stooge labor party comments for the last hour and a half, might be back at the labor's headquarters to ask for more assistance as his comments in these columns are getting boring, please give him another expression, troll is getting old hat.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    5:37pm
    Still here fighting the good fight and battling the scum of the nation heemskerk/Frank.
    The only stooge here is you and all the other names Frank posts under.
    What....no comments about school halls or pink batts Frank? How do you expect Malcolm to pay you triple time if you do not do your job properly?
    Blossom
    30th Jun 2016
    5:55pm
    The ones they need to catch are those who claim a pension in their own name and work using another. Yes. I know one couple of disability pensions - both worked and got caught. If htey get caught they will go to gaol, when they come out their pension will be reduced in every payment until the amount owing is re-paid. They may also be released on home detention.
    Eddy are you kidding
    30th Jun 2016
    6:10pm
    Our system of democracy is failing the country but going gangbusters for the 1000's of pollies across the 3 tiers of govt.Japan celebrated 50 years of the bullet train whilst here in nsw we have the 50 year old Gladesville bridge to celebrate.This comparison says it all.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    7:30pm
    If we had a smaller country and as many tax payers as Japan we would have a bullet train. I prefer to fly myself.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    7:42pm
    Only because you have never been on a bullet train. Wunderbah!
    Eddy are you kidding
    30th Jun 2016
    8:13pm
    Well O.G.you have missed the point.Japan commenced B Train a mere 17 years after being totally defeated in ww2.They had politions or leaders determined to rebuild their country.we have politions who care more about getting re-elected.The number of taxpayers is irrelevant as we were on the winning side.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    8:17pm
    Eddy are you kidding. Australia has a start stop philosophy due to the incompetence of the Managers a.k.a. Government.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:34pm
    And we wonder why our big business is for the most part a complete and utter failure on the world stage? And their governments are not far behind. The fruit does not fall far from the tree.
    saintagnes
    30th Jun 2016
    6:35pm
    make sure you do not vote liberal
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    6:56pm
    Nor Labor, nor Greens.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    7:42pm
    Liberals were put last on my ballot.
    ex PS
    30th Jun 2016
    6:47pm
    The biggest and most insidious change to welfare to retirees is the government insistence of calling the pension welfare. Once it is accepted that the pension is welfare the government can virtually do what it likes to part and full pensioners who will get little or no sympathy from the public as they will be considered welfare recipients and suspect.
    This government are experts in getting what they want by stealth, they have learnt how to vilify people by just adding descriptions to common words like illegal to refugees and welfare to pension payments.
    If you vote for this government don't expect chocolates or flowers the morning after they do what they are going to do to you.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    6:55pm
    I agree. I would add that The Age Pension is not welfare it is a right for every person of pension age regardless of assets/income. All parties need to understand this, not just The Liberals.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    7:28pm
    If the pension was a right for every person of retirement age it would not be welfare but as it is not given to every person of retirement age and is means tested it is nothing but welfare. No matter who is in government it will be treated as welfare.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    7:33pm
    Old Geezer, but it should be and Governments should ablish the stupidity of means testing the pension.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    7:44pm
    The pension has ALWAYS been an entitlement after 50 years of work for the nation. Of course tax was originally put aside for this but then later sent to consolidated revenue.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    8:46pm
    Did you mean STOLEN Mick ? But weren't game to say that ! :-)
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:32pm
    We may well say 'stolen'....but nothing will save the governor general. Sorry...wrong speech.
    Yeah, perspective. It is stolen to the disaffected and was never there for the thieves.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    9:39pm
    I wish I could move other peoples accounts around to suit Me !! :-)
    ex PS
    1st Jul 2016
    6:39pm
    What people don't seem to want to remember is that the pension has not always been means tested, it was given to everyone of retirement age, what changed, when were we given a chance to decide on the changes?
    Can the government now pick a service decide it is too hard to provide and declare that taxes were never meant to pay for it?
    Maybe something like Medicare, makes you think doesn't it?
    Farside
    1st Jul 2016
    9:02pm
    @Mick, Particolor ... you may have forgotten the Constitution provides that all Commonwealth receipts are paid into the consolidated revenue fund. The budget then becomes the basis for appropriating funds.

    Pensions have been paid from general revenue since the beginning. Age and invalid pensions have been means tested for more than 100 years. I think there would be few recipients who felt the landscape had changed.
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:41pm
    In that case why tell the public that PENSIONS are specifically paid into a set account? That is how they were originally set up.
    Farside
    2nd Jul 2016
    2:19pm
    @Mick, Commonwealth pensions were not set up that way. They have alway been paid from the CRF. Maybe you are thinking of the state and private pension and provident funds that preceded the Commonwealth pension.

    You may be interested to read some of the history at https://aifs.gov.au/sites/default/files/hs.pdf which was written in 2008 to celebrate 100 years.
    Mar
    30th Jun 2016
    6:56pm
    absolutely agree ex PS. That is what has made me feel so angry. Instead of treating us with dignity for all our years of work,committment,support of our various governments and patriotism to this country, we are made to feel we are parasites. This has made me determined to put Liberal last.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    7:17pm
    No matter who is in power the age pension is not sustainable in it's present form. There are simply not enough tax payers to pay for it. There fore it needs to be scaled back so that only those who need it and have no assets will get it. If you own a house then you will be required to pay any pension you get back after your death. That is really.

    I expect Labor and the Greens will be a lot more aggressive in scaling the pension back than the Coalition government.

    Putting the Liberal last may be the biggest mistake you will ever make.

    As a self funded retiree it will not matter to me personally who is in government as to take anything away for me is like taking away from small businesses.
    ayers
    30th Jun 2016
    7:18pm
    Mar, you are right. The word of "Parasites" just fit in you feelings because the power brokers has plan you feel in such a way. The do not respect to elders' pensioner rights, therefore I do not vote for them. If one million pensioners do feel the same and do the same, those disrespecting power brokers or human rights crushers may disappear the day after, like sprayed files.
    ayers
    30th Jun 2016
    7:27pm
    Mar, you are right. The word of "Parasites" just fit in you feelings because the power brokers has plan you feel in such a way. The do not respect to elders' pensioner rights, therefore I do not vote for them. If one million pensioners do feel the same and do the same, those disrespecting power brokers or human rights crushers may disappear the day after, like sprayed files.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    7:45pm
    Good post mars.
    Give it a break Geezer. You are such a troll and devious to boot. It is always the fault of the other side isn't it?
    Anonymous
    7th Jul 2016
    8:23am
    Old Geezer, you obviously don't research the FACTS about pensions. Australia has a very sustainable old age pension system that is VERY LOW COST and the cost of which is NOT RISING because of increasing wealth of younger retirees and the yet-to-retire as a result of superannuation. We are also the ONLY country in the western world that means tests aged pensions and have the MEANEST aged pension and appalling old age poverty. Something to be proud of? We also are the ONLY country in the OECD world that deals insults and disrespect to our seniors in bucket-loads, treating them with arrogance and contempt. In other nations, the aging are respected and seen as ENTITLED to be properly cared for.

    We are also the ONLY OECD nation that has openly CHEATED taxpayers of their ENTITLEMENT to a pension they bought and paid for under an early version of superannuation.

    The PARASITES in this nation are the chest-beating so-called ''self-funded'' who claimed massive tax benefits and employer-funded superannuation while the honest battlers got NOTHING.

    The FACT is that pensions are a reverse tax. The tax one pays is the sum of all tax paid LESS all benefits and concessions received. By that measure, the average aged pensioner imposes a far smaller burden on taxpayers than any so-called self-funded retiree does, and the average aged pensioner is seriously short-changed in terms of fair and equitable dealing.
    Farside
    7th Jul 2016
    8:34am
    @Rainey, please elaborate as this is news to me:

    "We are also the ONLY OECD nation that has openly CHEATED taxpayers of their ENTITLEMENT to a pension they bought and paid for under an early version of superannuation."
    ayers
    30th Jun 2016
    7:12pm
    Election ends. Thereafter, who are doing total checksum of the vote counts? I believe and trust one-to-one human eye counts, but do not believe collating the numbers with computers where the malice intentions may get injected into the results. Even invalidating many ballots may cause heavy negation effects on the results. There are lots of magicians playing with numbers as well.
    niemakawa
    30th Jun 2016
    7:23pm
    On the ballot paper for the senate a voter is required to mark at least 6. Apparently even if a person marks only 1 party above the line on and there are no mistakes on the ballot paper, then that vote maybe counted regardless. Another loophole and the EC allow it??
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    7:46pm
    Even more than that niemakawa.
    ex PS
    1st Jul 2016
    6:09pm
    What I don't understand is, if our vote is so important and we must safeguard against fraud, why do we use pencils to record it???
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:40pm
    Good point.
    The wider question is why can we not do online with a login just as we do for a bank account? I vote for my shareholding this way. No problems!
    What century are we living in?
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    7:33pm
    'Welfare fraud' is one of the most over-rated nonsenses designed to fill the ears of the utterly stupid who actually think that anyone getting their paid for Social Security is some sort of parasite and thief in the night, instead of a worthy recipient of a Right.

    Chasing it is a costly venture that provides an income for a few clowns who imagine themselves James Bonds and similar, and it has a very small 'success' rate, which is made even worse by the undeniable fact that 95% of reductions for 'fraud' are restored on appeal.

    It is bullying pure and simple and has a totally negative effect in every way, and is only fit to throw before the swine who pack together as 'rednecks' and similar losers who hate 'dole bludgers' while happily accepting any and every bit of largesse that government can provide to them - and many such work at times for cash, and thus have zero moral grounds.

    I think that covers it, but you may ask....

    Now I'll read other comments.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    7:47pm
    And there is no welfare fraud at the top.......
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    7:55pm
    .. and I won't be voting for anyone... the AEC conspicuously 'lost' my change of address after sending me a receipt number by email on 9th April..... so I'm not on the roll any more..... it seems some dopey sheila in the AEC couldn't work it out so it entered the 'too hard' basket....

    Now I need to re-apply (too late, of course), like some new chum in the country.... maybe I shouldn't bother.... take up the sword instead....
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:04pm
    I think that you can do an absentee vote TREBOR. Happens all the time. Tomorrow a good time before the Saturday onslaught begins.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    10:00pm
    You can check if you are enrolled to vote and where on the AEC website.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:21pm
    Done that - I'm not listed at my former address, either. Just fell through the cracks, it seems.

    The ex says now they'll chase me for not voting - well - I've got the email with the receipt number they sent me when they received my change information back in April.

    Checking online was what prompted me to ring them today for a hard answer.

    Sorry, bruvvas! It's the sword or nothing!

    Wonderful race, the politicians and public servants!
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    10:34am
    Final word - got me letter from Malcolm personal this morning - HE's got my address - so I checked again... same postcode, different locality name across the road... Jesus God...

    **sharpens the long knives for tomorrow**
    FM
    30th Jun 2016
    7:59pm
    Tactics like those cited by Mr Morrison are used to harass people genuinely receiving what he calls 'welfare'. The Centrelink system is inadequate for the job it currently does; is he going to expand it or is this another job for State police or Border force. Of course he picked on the most disadvantaged and vulnerable people he could find, no mention of following up on Multi Nationals not paying tax or large companies using off shore tax havens.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    8:05pm
    Make no mistake FM this government is engaged in Class Warfare and is about transferring wealth from poor to rich. Don't know that many voters are unable to see this.
    Old Geezer
    30th Jun 2016
    8:25pm
    Mick even if you gathered up all the wealth in this country and dolled it out equally between everyone within no time the wealth wold be back where it came from.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:23pm
    Because of crooked relationships and fraudulent arrangements between those who make big money and those who represent them in government.
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:26pm
    And for the recordGeezer/Frank I do not suggest equality but rather a level playing field where those who make the big bucks pay their fair share/percentage.
    That is where we obviously disagree. Your position is that the bottom end should pay all of the taxes and the top end should pay none. What else is new.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    9:07am
    Mick, I think you will find that people who earn less than$60,000.00 p.a.,which accounts for the majority, pay little or no income tax after rebates. I would say the top end are doing their job.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:07am
    That is not what the records show niemakawa. There are many at the top who pay zero tax and many more who as a percentage of income pay a very small component. Warren Buffett nailed this very well when he stated that the system needed fixing because he paid less tax than his secretary.
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    10:36am
    The issue isn't income tax rates - it is tax paid proportional to income overall... and proportionately a 'poorer' family pays more tax to government than a 'rich' family does, for the simple reason that they use the same level of resources to live, but with a lower rate of income.

    It's about proportion - not dollar amount, and that is why companies need to pay company tax at a reasonable rate.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2016
    11:33am
    Old Geezer'', you say ''even if you gathered up all the wealth in this country and dolled it out equally between everyone within no time the wealth wold be back where it came from''

    That's a tired and false claim used by the privileged to justify their unfairness. The reality is that certainly in no time at all the wealth would be held by a small percentage and there would be a lot of poor again - but it would be a DIFFERENT group holding the wealth. It would be the smart, hard-working, innovative and frugal - not the ''born with a silver spoon'' brigade, many of whom are next to useless but prosper due to inheritance.
    Old Geezer
    1st Jul 2016
    9:42pm
    Rainey they say that each big fall in sharemarkets is necessary to return the shares to their rightful owners.

    Smart wealthy people teach their kids from day 1 how to handle wealth and keep it. They are taught the value of money and what it takes to earn it. Pocket money is only given for work done. If they want something they have to work for it. Kids are taught to look after their belongings and if they leave something behind they are sent back to get it no matter how little value it has. Presents are rarely given as gifts are considered rubbish unless they are needed items.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:08pm
    And you think smart poor people don't teach their kids how to work and earn and save. If you think that, you are a MORON, Old Geezer! The difference is that without money to invest and sophisticated educational opportunities, the poor WORK for their money and save, while the rich get richer through RENT SEEKING.

    There are more smart people among the poor than among the rich, Old Geezer, but they are crushed down by circumstances. And when they do work their way up, what happens? The government smashes them down again. (i.e. part pensioners deprived of 20-25% of their income as punishment for their enterprise and responsible living!)
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    1:38pm
    Have to agree with you Rainey. Geezer is of the opinion that the ruling classes deserve it all. In this distorted view of life he omits to mention that the big end of town has its highly paid advisors who give the rich the time to leave and that normally coincides with the mainstream media (OWNED BY THE RICH) spruiking about what wonderful value there is in the share market. The result is that mums and dads buy the wrong shares at precisely the wrong time.
    Geezer is a member of the corrupt team. Why does he have no soul!
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    8:08pm
    Did someone say they were sick of the so-called' welfare mentality'? Fine then - we chop off all support for companies, politicians once fired, and families and so forth - and we compel all companies to provide sufficient cash for service to provide for retirement and unemployment of their people.

    I don't know where anyone gets the idea that when 18.8% of the workforce is un- or under-employed, there is some sort of 'welfare mentality' in play.

    And how anyone could argue that people who've paid taxes for 50+ years and now obtain their Pension Right are somehow 'welfare mental'.... we had no argument over working and paying taxes so our grand-parents could receive their pension..... so what is the argument here?

    Answer:- There is NO argument!
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    8:30pm
    Very Well Said :-) :-)
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:28pm
    Well said TREBOR. Your comments bring back a quote from Orwell's Animal farm, a mythical island where all pigs are supposedly equally treated. When the obvious divide occurs a questioning pig is given the answer: "all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others".
    Your comment is clearly a rephrase of that quote. I agree.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    11:35pm
    I had grandparents who went through both World Wars, some in the front lines, one uncle killed in 1940, and in-law grandies who had, in one case, lost a husband in WWI, and who all worked every day of their lives and were in no way criminals or wasters. Some were at the top of their profession.

    I had not one moment of argument over their receiving any pension or whatever from government for their years of service.

    Why it has become de rigeur for the twerps of today to hate on older people, young guys to hate on older men as somehow the enemies of women and kids, drunkards and cash and asset hoarders etc - are some of the things that governments successive here have to answer for.

    They did, after all, set out on waves of propaganda to achieve exactly that result... with the deliberate aim of having a divided society that they could pit people against one another and so control them more easily by offering carrots and sticks as a matter of policy.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:11am
    Yeah TREBOR. Men do it tough generally. First the battle of the sexex where we can do nothing right. Second the history of men being dispossessed of their homes (which were given to their wives) and attacks from genY who are of the opinion they are hard done by. Who'd want to be a man some days. I understand.
    FM
    30th Jun 2016
    8:13pm
    Trebor you can cast a Provisional vote at your local polling place. It will count.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:25pm
    Provisional vote? I'll give it a go....

    How does it work?

    I changed addresses in April with the Australian Election Clownshow, at the same time as I did it for my disabled ex - hers went through and mine didn't, and I'm not listed at my former address either.

    Great work all round there from the AEC.

    Maybe like some of my old Digger mates they think I'm a spy and should remain below the radar...

    Anyway - I'll inquire....
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:26pm
    Ah - just read it - I'll inquire..... cast a vote anyway and let them sort it out....
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    10:55am
    Final word - got me letter from Malcolm personal this morning - HE's got my address - so I checked again... same postcode, different locality name across the road... Jesus God...

    **sharpens the long knives for tomorrow**
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    8:28pm
    After belatedly getting here and reading al of the above !
    Those Rogues in Parliament never thought the Baby Boomers would come back to Bite Their Backsides !! :-( :-( Sink the Choppers Deep :-) :-)
    FM
    30th Jun 2016
    8:52pm
    Yes Parti, but not enough boomers taking issue.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    9:06pm
    YEP !! We are Peaceful lot Really ! They think we are too Old to rock the boat or we will fall overboard !! They'd like that !!
    MICK
    30th Jun 2016
    9:29pm
    You read all of the above. Crikey! Like reading 2 volumes of War and Peace.
    TREBOR
    30th Jun 2016
    10:28pm
    Been sharpening them choppers for a very long time now..... waiting for everyone else to do the same....
    Farside
    1st Jul 2016
    12:01am
    Only some boomers will bite, others will just smack their gums and vote as they have always done along aspirational lines. It never ceases to amaze me how many pensioners vote for the party that seems them as a soft target to be harvested.
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    12:15am
    YEP ! I had an 86 year old Neighbour who used to DROOL on the Newspaper when reading a Liberal Party Anything !! :-) Poor thing ! :-)
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:13am
    Brian: and what got genYs to vote for Tony Abbott? Yep, the Paid Parental Leave lie.
    P$cript
    30th Jun 2016
    10:44pm
    Comes down to the fact that the LNP can only attach the lest well off as anything else upsets their mates. They have to assist the wealthy with tax cuts so it can be given back to assist the LNP stay in Government, and so the cycle goes. This is what the LNP call trickle down economics.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    10:58pm
    " Its a New Series of the Magic Roundabout" said Doogle... :-)
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:16am
    Actually I understand that Trickle Down Economics is about giving the rich tax cuts in the hope that some of this money trickles down into the pockets of workers. The trouble is the theory is not true and I would suggest it has come from the rich to shake money out of the system from themselves. The rich are devious masters of lies and deceit and will do anything to get their hands on more wealth. Despicable people with no conscience for the most part.
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    10:50am
    Mich they would turn us Upside-down and shake all the Change out of our pockets if they could !! :-( :-(
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    10:54am
    And with compulsory voting its a wonder they don't Implement it at the Polling Places !! :-( :-( Don't take your Wallet or Purse with you !!
    :-)
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    12:21pm
    If the $50 billion tax cuts come this will drain working Australians. Then the screams from those who voted this lot in again will only be overshadowed by the fact that this did not happen by itself. Somebody voted for them.
    FM
    30th Jun 2016
    11:03pm
    would some of you like to take, Jessica Irvine, the smh writer of this wedge politics to task:-
    YOUTH TO FOOT BILL FOR BABY BOOMER BUDGET INCOMPETENCY
    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/youth-to-foot-bill-for-baby-boomer-budget-incompetency-20160630-gpvf26.html#ixzz4D4DItItf
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    We have a determined effort from wealthy middle aged men to cut any payments to seniors by justifying this by deplorable wedge politics. It is all designed so that the wealthy will pay less tax. John Daley is one of their chief spokesmen and he has once again raised his ugly elder bashing head via this journalist in the smh. He must pay a fortune to have this garbage published.
    Please let him know what you think of him.
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    12:09pm
    More of the same old worn-out by now policy of division and conquer....

    One rule for all... no more handouts, no affirmative action, no subsidies for business including less tax than PAYE.. you name it...
    Farside
    30th Jun 2016
    11:27pm
    Welfare is an easy target. The rusted on, aspirational and conservative voting groups are unlikely to vote for ALP or progressives and sadly there is enough greed in human nature that there will be fraudulent welfare recipients. Money for jam, as it has always been for Liberal governments.
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    11:31pm
    There is a Big Problem this time as ALL the Major Party's are Unelectable !! :-( :-(
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    11:37pm
    The LYING is out of Control !! :-( :-( :-(
    Farside
    30th Jun 2016
    11:55pm
    @particolor, truth in advertising does not apply when it comes to politics and the politicians resort to lies and hyperbole without recourse. Yes, pollies lie, but I think on balance the conservatives resort to lies and distortion more than the progressives, who in turn tend to be alarmist. But at the end of the day the socialists are less likely to target the lower socioeconomic demographic and welfare recipients than the born to rule elite - or so that is what history tell us.

    Re the lying, I would like to see pollies found to be misleading Parliament, telling porkies or using excessive hyperbole rewarded with red and yellow cards that ultimately result in their exclusion from Parliament without pay for one week. Same if the Speaker abuses position like Bishop within the opinion of a majority of three Federal judges – out for a week. Would be real interesting in a hung Parliament:)

    I am reminded how quickly we forget Turnbull and Godwin Gretch. Then Abbott and Peter Slipper. These offences would be sackable in any workplace and potentially criminal in the case of Gretch. We hear Turnbull arguing for being returned on stability grounds yet he unseated a popularly elected first term PM only a year ago and oversees a party divided along conservatives, protectionist and liberal groups.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:20am
    Your punishment is too kind Brian. I like your soccer style card system but the end result needs to be removal from office. Australia does not need liars who work for vested interest and there needs to be a committee manned by judges who have no political allegiance to judge the bastards and throw them out.
    Farside
    1st Jul 2016
    10:25am
    ok Mick, I can be flexible ... two red cards and out of Parliament with loss of benefits for that term. :)
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    3:36pm
    Loss of pay for the term? I am getting interested. Of course the question begs who decides? Imagine the current malicious government nobbling Labor MPs? Any system like that would have to be fair and above board. There is the problem when you get to unaccountable government!
    Farside
    2nd Jul 2016
    5:15pm
    @Mick, already dealt with dodgy umpires ... "Same if the Speaker abuses position like Bishop within the opinion of a majority of three Federal judges – out for a week".
    Not Senile Yet!
    1st Jul 2016
    12:20am
    OMG Talk about Propaganda!!
    They never publish what they spend to catch the 10% of cheats....of whom 5% are suffering from Government cuts that make it impossible to survive!
    The Total money saved is probably only equal to what is spent.....what a bunch of Fraudsters they are....nearly as bad as the RORTERS they are chasing!
    Their is more money to be had from making all the Corporations that dodge their tax pay up!
    In fact it amounts to Trillions if they just paid a lousy 10%!!!
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    9:33am
    I read somewhere the level of actual rorters was only about 1-2%, and most of those are miniscule in cash terms. It's very rare for someone to collect mum's pension after she's dead, or who gets DSP without a genuine issue in play, and when the government forces unemployed to live on insufficient to feed a cat, what do they expect?

    Offer real jobs with a real future... and a real economy that works for all...
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    9:53am
    TREBOR it is not the role of the Government to employ people. The Government must give incentives for businesses small and large to create an economy which will provide jobs and opportunity. Labor is opposed to tax cuts in this area but prefers to raise taxes for all which will have the opposite affect.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:24am
    Labor is opposed to tax cuts for those already doing very nicely. There is a difference niemakawa. The Trickle Down Effect being pushed by Turnbull has been shown not to work and it is simply a justification for sending money to those who need it not.
    Labor is backing tax cuts for businesses with a turnover on less than $2 million although perhaps this threshhold needs to be raised to $5 million and needs to be better targeted as well.
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    11:03am
    Government can generate an environment in which prosperity will begin to restore itself for Australia and not the few. Governments are fond of claiming to have 'created job' when they do no such thing... and giving a company tax cut will not produce more jobs.

    What is needed is a general direction forward in some area of genuine productivity towards some necessary market category - not just digging holes and employing 1.7% of the workforce to do so.

    I can readily see that Holdens and Fords may not be the direction of the future for the burgeoning markets of Asia - for many reasons including that their income relative to ours is small and thus precludes them from buying Holdens and Ford en masse - so there is a need to seek either some new market area to focus on.... or reduce 'opposition' countries to the trash heap of being recipients for OUR cheap and shoddy beads and plastic knives.....

    With every country now focusing on exactly that search for new market areas - the only end solution is either the total collapse of the 'global economy' and its descent into chaos (once more/still, including wars etc), or the reduction of the vast majority of ALL Earth inhabitants to abject poverty and hopelessness, OR a totalitarian One World Government that will dictate incomes etc for all.....

    Hunger Games International...... coming soon to a country near you!
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2016
    11:41am
    ''Trickle down'' can't work for one simple reason: TAX AVOIDANCE. If people don't pay the full amount of tax they should MORALLY (not legally) pay on their income, there's not enough money to trickle down and those who have no mechanism for rorting the system have to pay more.

    We need a government that understand this concept and has the courage to put an end to the idea that it's okay to AVOID tax (legally or otherwise) and the intelligence to sell the idea that tax is the price of living in civilization and it's a privilege to pay your FULL SHARE. When that concept is accepted, EVERYONE pays less because EVERYONE pays.
    TREBOR
    1st Jul 2016
    12:14pm
    Rainey - that is partly why there IS a company tax and why it must be a necessary yardstick - so as to partially offset the ability to hide profit by creative accounting. Some, while screeching that companies in CBDs should get a vote in Council elections etc (for their own benefit of course) love to feel that companies should be treated more preferentially than workers in taxation, at the same time.

    If companies were treated the same instead of as pampered children, most would be paying the highest income tax bracket, so 30% is not a big deal in reality. There could be some argument over having to 'pay in advance' with deemed provisional tax etc.... since that could create hardship for a small business at a slow time, but at the same time, what small business would like to be slugged the full tax amount due at year's end?

    Weekly payments like everyone else on income generated?
    ex PS
    1st Jul 2016
    6:51pm
    Spot on Not Senile Yet, it will cost the government more to administer than it will collect what is due, the only positive will be that they will have to put on more Public Servants, as I have served my time in exile after taking a VER, I may be able to get my job back, as many of my former colleagues already have.
    Just joking, there is no way I would go back to the Hell Hole that took two years of retirement over. The point is despite all the talk of cutting costs by this government, I could probably go back at the same level either as a contractor or a public servant if I wanted to.
    Not Senile Yet!
    1st Jul 2016
    12:20am
    OMG Talk about Propaganda!!
    They never publish what they spend to catch the 10% of cheats....of whom 5% are suffering from Government cuts that make it impossible to survive!
    The Total money saved is probably only equal to what is spent.....what a bunch of Fraudsters they are....nearly as bad as the RORTERS they are chasing!
    Their is more money to be had from making all the Corporations that dodge their tax pay up!
    In fact it amounts to Trillions if they just paid a lousy 10%!!!
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    12:27am
    Out of the question !! That would be Biting the hand that Feeds Them !!
    Scrivener
    1st Jul 2016
    2:05am
    Most relevant to this topic:



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    If you don't read the newspaper
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    I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. --Winston Churchill




    A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
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    HarrysOpinion
    1st Jul 2016
    6:56am
    Seniors' vote could sway the election outcome
    With nearly half the voting population aged over 50, seniors could sway the outcome of the upcoming election.

    Little has emerged in the way of commitments to improve the lives of older Australians but National Seniors has collated the key seniors-related policies for each of the main parties so you can see just how they compare.

    Seniors' forums send clear message to Canberra
    Seniors have left their local candidates in no doubt on how they feel about changes to the rules governing super and the Age Pension assets test.

    People resent being treated with suspicion in welfare crackdown
    National Seniors has responded with caution to the announcement of a $2.3 billion crackdown on welfare payments as part of the release this week of the Coalition’s election costings.

    Senate voting is vitally important
    Regardless of who forms government, it will be the Senate that determines which policies become legislation in the next term of parliament.

    Read more at nationalseniors.com.au
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:28am
    The start is to get rid of the current despots.
    HarrysOpinion
    1st Jul 2016
    12:11pm
    No comments from Bonny? Perhaps a new name Methinks?
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    3:32pm
    Bronny along with all of the normal suspects are at Party HQ getting ready for tomorrow. It'll be a big day for all the cronies.
    At least we get to see who the real posters are and who the employees of the government are, along with a whole pile of new names I have not seen before.
    ex PS
    1st Jul 2016
    6:54pm
    It's not hard to figure out who.
    Gigi
    1st Jul 2016
    9:33am
    Yes true, many comments here pointly suggest Politicians remunerations need scrutiny & I be supported that. Unfortunately our Politicians Liberal, Labor, Greens, Independents etc would not support such scrutiny, possibly because they suffer from the same affliction as so many Australians believing they are Entitled!! Collecting welfare over long periods is something I find worrisome, when I was young it was considered unacceptable in my family to be on any form of government assistance unless absolutely poverty stricken & other family members unable to lend assistance. Although it seems there are generations of one family living off government assistance which needs to be addressed. Possibly, making government assistance for a specified time say 6 months. It seems that most people on welfare feel that unless they get the job want, then they should remain on welfare but the welfare is a Safety Net. So many Australians believe that they are 'Entitled' but don't have same believe about their contribution to society. 'Hard days work for fair remuneration'!
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    10:30am
    Can't disagree with that.
    saf
    1st Jul 2016
    10:39am
    Whoever gets in needs to have a major crack down on people rorting our welfare/pensions. Thanks to these people we cant be provided with much needed increases on Medicare rebates, education, research and helping genuine young people with affordable housing. It affects every area of our lives. As an aged pensioner, I have friends who wont report their adult children from claiming full single mothers pension while living in a permanent relationship with their partner because they might have to mind their grandchildren or their children might not forgive them. This is costing all taxpayers billions
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    10:45am
    AMEN ! :-
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    11:23am
    As the saying goes Blood is thicker than water. Any single mother in situations that you describe should be made to sign an affidavit stating that they are not in permanent relationship . Once signed then authorities should have the right to enter the home on a regular basis for inspection.
    Anonymous
    1st Jul 2016
    11:37am
    saf, there will ALWAYS be welfare cheats. The money they cost us is FAR LESS than the money spent persecuting genuine claimants to try (and fail) to identify the cheats. Every system is going to be rorted by a small percentage. We need to accept that and live with it. When a system is rorted to any disturbing extent - and ours certainly is - it's a BAD SYSTEM, and no amount of ''cracking down'' will help the problem. In fact, it's guaranteed to make it worse. You need to fix the flaws in the system so that people have an incentive to be honest. STOP persecuting honest people and a lot more folk will be honest.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    12:09pm
    Whilst you take interest in the bottom end of society niemakawa spend some time looking at the top where corruption rules and governments are involved as a player rather than a regulator.
    FYI - the repeal of the Carbon Tax costs the country $8 billion a year in lost revenue. Taxpayers make up this money now.
    Your attack on the bottom end is easy as these people have no political parties to defend them. Nor do they have unlimited amounts of money to engage lawyers and/or use offshore tax havens to cheat.
    Farside
    1st Jul 2016
    12:50pm
    There is plenty of waste and duplication of services in government - some of which is structural and some which is the cost of political expediency. Example of the former would include Commonwealth funding of multiple workers comp and motor vehicle insurance agencies. Examples of the latter would include senate obstruction, the Howard/Costello tax cuts and the ALP/Greens GST exemptions. It would be much better if pollies made decisions in terms of what is best for the country as a whole.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    1:34pm
    Mick, I am not attacking your imagination working overtime. I put forward a suggestion to stop the rorting of the Welfare system by some elements in our society. This article is about welfare fraud so that's what we should concentrate on here. I am happy with the current tax system and the vast majority of people pay little or no income tax, after rebates. Are you against another suggestion I made: A basic pension for all those of pension age regardless of income/assets. No supplements except for those that can prove they need it.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    3:06pm
    niemakawa: I actually am pretty well for your position on a universal pension. That way we end Australians being pitted against other Australians.
    I support rorting being stamped out. I also support the top end of town having its corrupt wings clipped and will continue to call for a Federal ICAC with wide ranging powers. What's fair at one end is more than fair at the other too.

    In an unrelated matter:

    A few days ago you stated in a post that Germans were controlled by the the EU monster and specifically by their Chancellor Angela Merkel in regard to discussing islam. I took this to German relos and the answer came back today which completely disagrees. I am informed that the islamic 'invasion' is causing a lot of angst and concern and Germans are openly unhappy and discussing the problem with other Germans. Some are taking matters into their own hands and it is becoming a powderkeg which Merkel has let happen and which she now has no say over. There certainly are not police knocking on doors.
    In your discussion about the EU monster it may be better to do more research. From what I have been told your view is not even partly correct on this topic. Cheers.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    3:33pm
    Mick. Re Merkel. I also have relatives and friends in Germany and they concur that the German people are unhappy with the increasing number of muslim "refugees" allowed in by Merkel. Of course they talk among themselves , but Merkel has a tight grip on what can and cannot be reported in the media. She has the backing of her friends in Brussels, who also have a vested interest in the Islamisation of Europe. I am happy with my research and will continue to express my views from that angle. You can do the same naturally. Believe me when the fighting really starts Merkel and the despots in Brussels will turn against the German people. Many Germans hold this view. Merkel will suppress any insurrection to maintain her stance, even if that means killing her own people. She would have no hesitation in doing so. I follow closely what is happening all over Western Europe and the future does not bode well for the citizens there. Juncker the President of the EU commission has in the recent past told European leaders to stop listening to their people and do as Brussels says. They will stop at nothing to achieve their ultimate aim. They are now attempting to establish an EU army in the guise of security of Europe. That is so far from the truth. Many countries are on the brink, financially, economically and tensions are running high. I expect and sincerely hope that other Countries follow Britain's lead and determine their future according to the wishes of the people. The EU is the worst form of Dictatorship, in my opinion.

    Now let's rally for age pensions for all in Australia regardless of income/assets.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    4:51pm
    Your account of Merkel is almost identical to politics here in Oz. Since Tony Abbott was elected I have had a bad feeling about where this country is heading. I am not talking about the economy, etc. but rather about what looks suspiciously like a dictatorship slowly building.
    Once you start monopolising the media and running propaganda campaigns then you enter unchartered waters. This is where big business and its subsidiary government are heading and Australians need to see the writing on the wall.

    Spend some time dissecting the election coverage in Australia. What passes for news/fact, what is glossed over and what is simply not mentioned when harmful to the incumbent representative. I have and it is blatantly biased. And then when outlets like the ABC attempt to give Labor a voice you cries of "bias" WHEN THERE IS NONE. But then attacking right wing governments and their Ministers is a low key event on commercial stations....which quickly close the book and move on. Like the Tax Havens used by Turnbull and the rich: done and dusted never to be revisited! Yeah right. As though the rort is over!

    We live in interesting times and perhaps boomers have had it too good for too long and the political tide is about to turn. We'll see. I hope that I am wrong but I normally pick up on things well before the event so not liking this one. Ordinary Australians may think she'll be right but I am not so sure.
    dizey47
    1st Jul 2016
    11:25am
    A crackdown on fraud is a good thing always, but it seems Centrelink is also making it extremely hard for genuine suffering people to get a disability pension. Shame on them, this is very wrong.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    12:33pm
    We're heading for the all time record here.
    I notice that today, the day before the election, all the government trolls are missing in action. Looks like a meeting at Party HQ to work out who will be manning what polling booths.
    Sunday will be an interesting new world. Let's hope that a decent parliament is the result and that Australians have not lined up like lambs to the slaughter. The fact that we are seeing a 50/50 race indicates that voters have been easily deceived, but it ain't over till the fat lady sings.
    Farside
    1st Jul 2016
    1:35pm
    Mick, to paraphrase Darryl Kerrigan .. you're dreaming. https://youtu.be/jL2DH-nKBeA?t=2s

    Coalition will be returned with slightly reduced
    majority. All the numpties will be take up where they left off. Hopefully they lose at least nine seats so they do not have a majority in a joint sitting.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    2:07pm
    Hopeful. You may be right but we'll see come Sunday.
    I hope the Independents in the senate are re-elected as they did such a wonderful job stopping the attacks on average citizens becoming law from the current bunch of bushwackers.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    2:13pm
    Mick, I will not deny that the Independents have a role to play, but the ongoing hung-parliaments which persist will hold back Australia and we as a Nation will not prosper. They can still have a voice but to high-jack the Government at every opportunity is a disgrace.
    Farside
    1st Jul 2016
    2:30pm
    @niemakawa, the independents and other opposition are protecting the Government from itself. Minority governments and loose coalitions are the way of the future so better get used to it. If you want unchallenged passage of legislation then may as well opt for a unicameral system as in Queensland; ask those living outside of the SE corner how well that works for them.
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    2:36pm
    Brian, yes we should consider abolishing the Senate. Minority Governments as I have already stated will achieve little in terms of Australia's future. We will still be discussing this topic of Welfare fraud in 10 years time. No to minority Governments.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    3:16pm
    Hung parliaments? Is that what you call it when the senate refuses to rubber stamp bad bad legislation?
    I would call it government unless it is outright obstruction, and Tony Abbott in opposition was the only person I have ever seen who did that.
    With the current government only Tony Abbott would believe that his cry of a "mandate" could legitimately include the shredding of election promises after an election and the introduction of new taxes when he had solemnly sworn not to do this.
    Your view of the senate is short sighted. It was set up as a checks and balances part of government so that dictators could not attack citizens.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    3:18pm
    Brian: did Queenslanders not throw out one Campbell Newman who was a coal vandal prepared to bulldoze the Great Barrier Reef for his mates in the coal industry? Am I wrong?
    Farside
    1st Jul 2016
    3:26pm
    @Mick, indeed they did but not just for coal. Campbell Newman was brought down by hubris and a false sense of security that he was empowered to do whatever he wanted. Essentially he said one thing before the election and then did another including sacking 14,000 public servants. He consistently made poor decisions from failing to consult and bringing his colleagues and public opinion with him. That he managed to lose from an 85% position is remarkable.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    3:30pm
    Sounding suspiciously like Komrad Abbott. Same end. But still the same Party!
    ayers
    1st Jul 2016
    1:18pm
    Dear "Full Respectful Ladies and Gentleman" and other serving Troll’eys,

    If you care about your money in your pocket, and genuinely yourself, there is only one party only to deserve your vote. Knock out the target from just 12 on the day 2 July 2016, then full freedom is achieved and sustained on the night of 2 July 2016 and forever. No economic chains in your feet anymore. Otherwise gone forever, may not come back!

    We know the global game settlers.

    Regret does not serve your improbable healing later.

    God Bless All from malign Intentions and Top-Set Rip-offs.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    2:08pm
    Is this a cryptic ayers?
    niemakawa
    1st Jul 2016
    2:41pm
    I know you mean ALA.

    1st Jul 2016
    7:43pm
    comrade, union organiser and labor stooge Mick, if we have ever seen a bigger load of bulls..t, come out of one gape labor mick has to take the price, lucky, to-morrow it may shut him up as people like those in victoria have seen through the labor party, the unions are the faceless people running the labor party, see the way the Country Fire Authority in Victoria has been sold out so as to please and thank the unions for their' assistance, united fire union people standing at the polling boots in the state elections in their uniform handing out labor how to vote cards, they have now lost all the goodwill people had for their profession, the result a labor premier who never had a job, from university, now-a-days not worth the paper it is written on, to an union organiser, which resulted in a labor premier who never had a job in his life, as is usual in the labor party, go to university, become a union delegate, like stooge labor mick, this premier stated the contract to build this road, a lifeline to bypass melbourne, was not worth the paper it was written on, resulted in a pay out of one point two billion dollar of taxpayers money, for breaking the contract, victoria's now has to pay their debt to the unions, all I hope that the rest of Australia has woken up.
    MICK
    1st Jul 2016
    8:51pm
    Meeting over Frank? What's happening tomorrow? Going to beat up a Liberal Party person handing out your brochures and blame Labor? How about sneaking into an Electoral Office after hours and taking out the pro Labor votes?
    I imagine you and your perverse Party have something immoral planned. Oh yeah....you planted a story in the Courier Mail inferring that GetUp was corrupt after you sent your stooges in to run stolen credit cards.
    What a perverse person you and your group are. Tell your lies. Nobody listening.
    Kateo
    2nd Jul 2016
    8:32am
    Welfare crackdown is long overdue. There are people who have claimed welfare under various names for years and when finally caught, owe a fortune. Just what did they do with all the money? How many more out there are living the high life because they haven't been caught?
    My husband is on a part age pension and I do not work. Fortunately we scrimped and saved during my working life to pay off a negatively geared property which we sold so that I could stay home with my husband after I was made redundant. He has a disability and he can do very little (limited walking & can't straighten up or lift) which means I have to maintain our house. Because he can still mostly dress himself I cannot get a carer's allowance as housework and maintenance are not considered. I know a number of people who are on a disability pension who are still able to work (cash in hand) and yet the spouse also gets a carer's allowance. There are probably thousands in the same boat. I will not even go into the ones receiving Newstart who simply refuse to get a job. Australia's welfare is out of control.
    niemakawa
    2nd Jul 2016
    9:17am
    The DSP has become a bludger's paradise. This is where most fraud is committed and needs a thorough review overall.
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    10:33am
    Can't disagree on that one.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2016
    2:55pm
    It's pointless reviewing one part of a flawed system. Bandaids have created the problem. What is needed is a system that is logical, sensible, recognizes realities, and doesn't invite or reward cheating.

    The problem is that the government - along with those here who constantly wail about ''welfare for the needy only'' - are just too STUPID to see where the problem lies. Greed has totally eliminated all capacity for logical thought.

    They want people to work hard, pay taxes, live responsibly, save for their old age, etc. They also want wages contained so that the privileged can hire people for much less than they are really worth and make a profit. Nothing wrong with that so far. That's the capitalist system at work. The problem, though, is that when people work for less than they are worth and, despite working hard and saving well and living sensibly, find that in old age they can't be totally self-supporting, the ARSEHOLE SELFISH then want to take back all that the hard workers have accrued through their endeavours as ''repayment'' of any aged pension they might need to collect in their later years. So the hard workers realize that all that effort was futile and they cannot enjoy the rewards. Then subsequent generations say ''What the.... ? Why bother? We can work less, play more, spend more, and end up just as well off. So what's the point of working, saving and investing? Just claim ''welfare''.

    And then the GREEDY SELF-SERVING IDIOTS who put forward this dumb selfish proposal scratch their stupid heads and say ''What's wrong with people? The economy is stuffed now. Why won't they work harder?''
    MICK
    2nd Jul 2016
    2:00pm
    Over 500 comments. Amazing. You cracked it Drew!
    Anonymous
    8th Jul 2016
    6:36pm
    most of labor and union delegate mick, have to find a bigger bullsh.t artist then labor mick
    ayers
    4th Jul 2016
    2:28pm
    I hope 2 July 2016 Election results (though hung now) will lead to rectify and improve the pensioner system and Centerlink operations to return factory setup.

    Indeed the People of Australia did not give solemn passage to neither NLP nor ALP because of their past mistakes, and give the opportunities to independents and small parties to help to the governing party to be formed to the right directions toward to the factory setups.

    As final, I can say that the GLOBAList minded captain(s) have not been authorized to influence and direct to the new Government of Australia.

    As factory setups:

    1.Limit the immigration to Australia. No matter what the rich outsiders pay even 15 million US$ once pay-off, they should not be able to reside Only genuine and necessary and some refugees may be allowed to join.
    The max limit per year 200 000 per year.

    2.Free Higher education. The people of Australia pays all cost higher education.

    3. Incentives to co-operatives and their job openings.

    4. Return to full genuine, including high tech, manufacturing industries. Australia should be removed from the trap of only service industry country target, whoever decided 40 years ago by outsider globals.

    5. No tax to low-income earners up to 30000 $ per single, 50000 $ per couple.

    6. Age pensions are to be increased 30000 $ per single, 50000 $ per couple. If other incomes
    present, then all total income is taxable. Tax rules apply.

    7. Agriculture and Animal farming should be full steam supported. No-interest
    loans should be given to the genuine requests.

    8. Quality of primary and secondary education should be available to all regionals Australia.

    9.No sex discrimination, but no persuading public propaganda for transsexuals, even for fun.

    10.No same sex marriage, unless the partners are genuinely and medically transferred to the opposite sex. Marriage is defined only between the opposite sexes. Marriage rights including inheritance rights can only be available to the opposite sexes, not to the same sexes.
    BundyGil
    4th Jul 2016
    5:37pm
    The post election budget deficit will balloon to unprecedented levels if the LNP retains govsrnment as much of the budget including the bullshit welfare crackdown and old zombie legislation will never get through the Senate.
    Golden Oldie
    4th Jul 2016
    7:01pm
    30 minutes to an hour to ring Centrelink? You are joking. There has been reports of millions of calls not answered at all. My last report to Centrelink was done in person. I drove about 11km to the nearest office, waited in the queue for a while, and then took a seat to wait for a employee. Took about 3/4 of an hour, more reliable waiting on the phone with the chance of the call dropping out and having to ring again, or being shuttled between departments and chancing a hangup.
    Anonymous
    7th Jul 2016
    8:26am
    A neighbour told me of standing in line a Centrelink for 3 hours before being told to go to a different office as this one was ''booked out''. Another told of waiting for over 4 hours on each of 4 occasions only to be told to ''go home, we are closing now. Come back tomorrow and you might get lucky!'' My daughter simply gave up because waiting with a disabled baby was impossible and nobody ever answered her phone calls or letters.
    ayers
    4th Jul 2016
    9:13pm
    Some Parties favor money instead of people, then gets monetary benefits to climb up the steepened social pyraminds. Some parties favor people, namely human and environment, then gets people’s praise and vote to flatten the social pyraminds.

    This election results produced opportunities for some small parties to make coalition to form the Government for next full 3-years term, which works for the people, including improving CLINK and its responses to the Australian people which have been remarkably altered compare to 20-30 years ago unfortunately.

    Past NLP Govs have contracted same like-minded consultants and advices, and tried to execute their advices. Australian people have not forgotten them: Like abolishing Gonski Education Plan, truncate CLINK pensioners’ rights, payments, planning raising age of pension, .. improper payment indexation, and avoiding people’s benefits you can name some of many.

    Add also, playing unjustifiable military part roles by entering in MiddlEast stage, thereafter turmoils as well, namely supporting infamous old USA president Georhe W Bush. Even majority of Americans are accepting that it was big mistake to enter in Iraq in 2003, and that center zonal earthquakes are still propagating thru the world.

    Past prevalent governments critical executions and implementations against to people and public in favor of globalists and privatizations should be abolished and roll back to factory resets. Most of the People of Australia are human-like minded, philanthropists, better performers regarding to Human and environment protections than some other major counties. Let’s name them: China and India. They have past guilts and failures, like conquering Tibet and depressing those people of East Turkistan, and forcing their own people to work in slavery conditions. I personally do nor want benefits from blood and tears mixed outcomes no matter what the benefits are. And for India, never become deviated evolutionary performers other than always benefit opportunity seekers. Indeed, what benefits can Australia expect in short and long run by getting incredibly migration influx from those two major countries, other than major disturbances causing imbalances over Australian economy and people.

    If the majority of Australian people cooperate, no obstacle can stand up on her way up.

    Let me come to that minor or major issue: If the next Australian Government governs parallel to the people’s wish, all jink - junky problems (e.g. waiting 30 mins or more of CLINK phone lines, or at the waiting rooms,) can get solved rapidly, and just disappear by a finger shot. Why not CLINK arrange young tens of thousands volunteers with some authority to visit elderly people and pensioners to create an easy contact proximities frequently, and exchange demands and solutions for them which cost nothing to CLINK. First trust People and People likes your more, and their votes for you.
    World Prophet
    5th Jul 2016
    2:15pm
    Struth...


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