Detained children a necessary evil

The Royal Children’s Hospital is refusing to let refugee children return.

After four days, the standoff over the return of children to detention centres continues between Melbourne’s Royal Children’s Hospital (RCH) and the Federal Government.

Following the treatment of sick children at the RCH, hundreds of medical staff have refused to release the children back to detention centres over ethical and moral dilemmas. Doctors are arguing that it would be unethical for them to treat patients, only to discharge them back into environments that would compromise their health and safety.

Paediatrician Prof Paul Monagle at the RCH said, “What we see from children in detention is a whole range of physical, mental, emotional and social disturbances that are really severe, and we have no hope of improving things if we’re sending those children back to detention.”

The medical staff has also been outraged at seeing immigration guards placed outside the rooms of some patients 24 hours a day.

Dr Tom Connell, head of General Medicine at RCH, says that for many hospitals round the country, it is “almost normal” to see children living in detention to be admitted for treatment for a number of severe physical and psychological health issues, such as mental illness, behavioural problems, bed wetting and trauma.

The RCH, supported by The Greens, Labor and some prominent Liberal MPs, is calling on the Primate Minister to end the detention of almost 200 children in centres on Nauru and mainland Australia.

Speaking out about the issue, Malcolm Turnbull said the government’s “tough” immigration policy is the only “proven” way to prevent further possible drowning deaths of asylum-seekers, but declared that no Australian politician would want to see children living in detention centres. “Nobody wants to have children in detention, not me, not any member of this house, not any one, not any Australian,” he said.

He also said that since the Coalition had taken over from the Labor government, the number of children locked in detention centres has dropped from 2000 to about 200.

The Greens, who have described detention centres as “mental illness factories”, are set to introduce a bill designed to address the number of children held in facilities.

“Many of the children we’re seeing have spent more than half their life in detention. This is all they know and it is not what children should know. Children should be safe in a community with their family, not in detention,” said Dr Monagle.

How do you feel about this issue?

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    Batara
    14th Oct 2015
    10:14am
    Why change "Primate" Ministers? This one is as inhumane as the previous. Spruiks the same crap because he is scared of red necks.

    Love the Primate typo. Suits a monkey who abandons his own beliefs and values. Insults monkeys perhaps.
    Supernan
    14th Oct 2015
    12:42pm
    Totally agree ! Very disappointed in him.
    Trish
    14th Oct 2015
    5:51pm
    Love the Freudian slip!
    niemakawa
    18th Oct 2015
    8:15pm
    I preferred Mr Abbott, a sensible and caring PM and respected his Country.
    Kali-G
    14th Oct 2015
    11:18am
    sadly these "children" are " mini me" terrorist in the making. They will carry hate in their heart and will be a real danger if released into Australia. All moslems are enemy one way or another.
    SGW
    14th Oct 2015
    12:08pm
    Just like all Jews and Christians are I suppose. I think all religion should be banned and i don't like the Muslim philosophy but i treat people as i find them there are good and bad in all people
    marls
    14th Oct 2015
    12:23pm
    agree kali islam is a major threat to our country just look at what is happening in Europe
    gilstamp
    14th Oct 2015
    1:16pm
    The only threat in Europe is the rednecks and neonazis who are causing disruption. The number of incidents of criminal assault and murder by identifiably islamic persons is infinitesimal compared with the homegrown variety. Get real!
    maxchugg
    16th Oct 2015
    5:21pm
    SGW thinks all religion should be banned. Adolf Hitler would agree with that attitude to Jews with equal logic.
    That there are people claiming to be christians but violate very Christian principle is indisputable. But neither Jews nor Christians are slaughtering people, destroying property and demanding acceptance pf barbaric laws.
    And the refugees are fleeing from countries where Islamic law prevails to places where Christian principles have determined the way of life. Free countries are expected to bear the burden of supporting the refugees from the Islamic tribal wars while the oil rich Islamic states decline to assist.
    As for gilstamp, where is the evidence to support the claim that it is only rednecks and neonazis who are causing disruption?
    The bigotry from these two commentators is alarming.
    Fiona
    14th Oct 2015
    11:29am
    What I would like to know is if the children are not allowed to go back to their parents who is going to look after them? Is the idea to bring the parents over to circumvent the present laws?
    Surely the children would be more psychologically damaged if they were not to return to their parents.
    Troubadour
    14th Oct 2015
    11:41am
    Just the point I was thinking too Fiona. Double trauma if wrenched from their parents. Surely better medical care whilst in detention might be one answer - but that means the tax payer footing extra bills !! A dilemma
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    12:23pm
    Perhaps the best solution would be to not treat the children or their parents as criminals or lepers, and treat them humanely. After WWII we accepted thousands of migrants into this country, and they were eventually assimilated into our society, and helped make it the great country it is today (at least until the recent racism and bigotry took hold). Who is to say the refugees couldn't become valuable members of our society if we gave them a chance. Unfortunately, some find it easier to just write them off as terrorists without any evidence.
    marls
    14th Oct 2015
    12:25pm
    most of these children have been abused by whom, their parents they will do anything by any means to get to Australia they are after centrelink and free everything
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    12:32pm
    How do you know that? Do you really believe the things you say, without any real evidence other than what other ultra conservative right wingers write on forums like this, or what Murdoch's papers print? Try thinking about the real facts, do some proper investigation, and don't let your fear of the new or unknown get the better of you. You might be a happier person.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2015
    1:05am
    I am under the impression that mothers and children have been offered release but they won't go unless the father is released as well. If this is the case they have only themselves to blame. Why are these children so traumatised being with their parents? they have all the comforts of life; is it the bad behaviour of the parents that drive them nuts??!!
    I came here as a migrant aged 7 , we lived in a migrant hostel for 2-1/2 years and that was nothing to write home about, the gates weren't locked but there was nowhere to go. It took that long to save enough money to get out. My father was working around the state, we saw him 1 weekend a month.
    For those seeking asylum Australia was not the first port of safety, so as they made their own bed they need to sleep in it.
    mudGecko
    14th Oct 2015
    11:40am
    Send them back to those responsible for them. The parents should not have used their children on illegal immigration adventures.
    Pablo
    14th Oct 2015
    11:53am
    Absolutely correct mudGecko! Those country-shopping, illegal, economic migrants (in no way are they asylum seekers!) brought all of this on themselves and their family if they brought them with them. How dare the Greens describe detention centres as “mental illness factories", THEY are the ones operating under multiple delusions, so much so that their own houses should be described as "mental illness factories"! Scott Morrison did an absolutely brilliant job as Immigration Minister, and I hope he does just as good a job as Treasurer!.
    marls
    14th Oct 2015
    12:27pm
    agree they have been abused by their own kind so imagine what those people are capable of if let loose in our community
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    12:28pm
    Have you any evidence for you claims? or is this just some vile regurgitation of ill informed racist views you picked up in the gutter? What you seem to overlook (probably deliberately) is that our Govt insists that refugees can only enter our country legally if they go to an Aust embassy in their country. Too bad if there isn't one, or it is too dangerous for them to get there. Ask your selves this question - would I accept these people as good people if they had been able to apply to come here and Scott Morrison's Dept had accepted them? Not being able to apply in the "proper" manner doesn't make them evil, just unfortunate.
    marls
    14th Oct 2015
    12:34pm
    Saalbach these people were in detention that's locked up not walking around with the local community. who do you suggest abused them. as the reports state
    Pablo
    14th Oct 2015
    12:37pm
    Oh boy Saalbach, you are certainly inviting more terrorists to our country with your views. The door to our country is only open far enough to allow properly credentialed immigrants and refugees, not all and sundry country-shoppers! I love how you lefties/greenies always throw in the racist tag, haven't you realised by now that islam is NOT A RACE! "Not being able to apply in the proper manner" means we don't want them here!
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    12:42pm
    So you didn't read the reports recently about the large number of security personnel at the detention camps who are being investigated for abuse of the detainees? Let's have some honest examination of the real causes fro the problem. Yes, there are probably a lot of instances where there are disputes and violence between the detainees, and while that is bad, is it really that surprising given these poor people are locked up for years? I would probably go stir crazy as well, does that mean I shouldn't live here? If you read the report above, I think you will find the children have been treated for SICKNESS not abuse. The risk is that they go back to an environment that endangers their health and mental well being - I can't see any suggestion that they are going to be physically abused. Sometimes we read only what we want to read, regardless of the truth.
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    12:51pm
    Pablo, what part of not being able to get to an embassy to apply to get here don't you understand?????? Do you really think that makes them bad people because they can't apply properly, even though they may want to? I don't recall saying anything about Islam being a race - you are the one who is so opposed to particular beliefs that you will pre-judge people. The issue covers people from many beliefs and countries, but it seems that you are happy to group them all together as being undesirables. Perhaps you need to have a look at the background of those people who have been involved in terrorist acts in Aust in recent years, and see whether they came here legally, were born here, or were boat people. You might have to rethink your stance in light of the evidence. Are you up to that challenge?
    Pablo
    14th Oct 2015
    12:55pm
    And I'll throw it right back at you Saalbach, how do you now they are from countries without an Australian embassy, how do you know they want to "apply properly".
    KSS
    14th Oct 2015
    2:03pm
    Saalbach: you say above; " What you seem to overlook (probably deliberately) is that our Govt insists that refugees can only enter our country legally if they go to an Aust embassy in their country. Too bad if there isn't one, or it is too dangerous for them to get there."

    Actually under the appropriate convention that expects signatory countries such as Australia to accept asylum seekers, all asylum seekers themselves are expected to apply for asylum at the first safe country they get to after leaving their place of origin. I think the issue for many is that those who choose to buy their way on a boat are also those who destroy their identification once they arrive in a safe country. For most coming from the Middle-East (and also Sri Lanka) to Australia that would most likely be Malaysia. So they fly into Kuala Lumpur on a plane for which they have no doubt bought a valid ticket and shown a valid passport, they then travel through Malaysia and Indonesia to await for their paid embarkation to Australia. Now both Malaysia and Indonesia are safe countries, moreover they are also Muslim countries with the same or similar cultures and belief systems. What is difficult for many to reconcile is why, if these people are genuine, did they not take a taxi from KL airport to the Australian (or any other nation) Embassy or even make an application for refugee status at the airport itself for asylum in Malaysia or Indonesia?

    There are also those who fly directly to Australia and make their application at the airport. We don't hear about them because they have followed the correct protocols and "have done nothing wrong". They are also not in detention.
    niemakawa
    18th Oct 2015
    8:06pm
    Most definitely. Children again used as "human" shields by their irresponsible parents.
    Pablo
    14th Oct 2015
    11:56am
    Send them back to where they came from, it is NOT Australia's fault that these kids and their parents tried to come here illegally so they could rort our welfare system. We don't want them here. They are just pushing genuine refugees further back in the queue with their illegal queue-jumping.
    marls
    14th Oct 2015
    12:28pm
    so true Pablo. many of these have been abused and by who. their own to get to the mainland for centrelink
    Brissiegirl
    14th Oct 2015
    11:59am
    Border busters have been using kids as a means of circumventing Australian immigration laws. That is deceptive conduct. And exactly who is "abusing" children in detention? Who is "sexually assaulting" detainees? If the perpetrators of these criminal acts are so-called "asylum seekers" they does this country want people of that ilk? I just hope the government doesn't wilt and give those who would do us wrong more opportunities to continue the islamic invasion/take-over that we are seeing before our very eyes. We are now sandwiched between two very different cultures: China's desire to get at our geographical location (and they are ramping it up very quickly) and the religion of Islam's desire to rule. Won't it be interesting when those two forces eventually clash. As they say, wake up Australia, but I fear it is far too late. Both forces have their boots well and truly on our ground.
    Lee
    14th Oct 2015
    12:25pm
    Ditto....
    marls
    14th Oct 2015
    12:32pm
    Brissiegirl your spot on. imagine if these people are set loose what they are capable of. some people just don't get it nor do they care about the safety of their country look at Europe its out of control doctors being murdered rapes, building being burnts down. I have family in Italy and Germany and its beyond comprehension in Germany the children can no long play sport, my cousin cannot go to school, they burnt it down because they want welfare - centrelink
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    12:35pm
    Yep, these people are just blatantly untrustworthy. Who knows, they might kill off most of the indigenous people left here, or drop an atomic bomb or two on Japan, or attack any country just because the Americans think their oil supply might be threatened by someone. Can't have any of these foreigners tainting us and our lily white beliefs.
    Adrianus
    14th Oct 2015
    2:08pm
    Saalbach you may have a racial bias, but I think the argument is best served by simply joining the dots, and not by pointing out the differences in race.
    Supernan
    14th Oct 2015
    12:51pm
    How ridiculous to say all Muslims are a threat. The ones who worked for us were perfectly normal people who loved their families, loved peace & loved Australia. They came to our Christmas parties, ate Easter eggs, ham sandwiches & only wore head scarf to their own church or family feasts. They were honest & hard working & caring because they said "this is what our muslim faith requires us to be" . If you met them in the street you would not have known their faith.

    Of course, if you keep people in detention for years, simply because they fled from a war or torture or starvation, then you may just have found a good recipe for creating a terrorist. Especially if their wives & daughters are raped, their kids are made ill & the conditions are atrocious. Think I'd come out with hatred in my heart too.
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    12:57pm
    Well said, Superman. Glad to see there is someone on this forum who is prepared to judge people on their acts. Unfortunately all the haters will now tear you to pieces. This country used to be full of people with your generous approach to others. Pity the destruction of that philosophy has occurred from the inside out.
    Pablo
    14th Oct 2015
    12:59pm
    Supernan, I didn't ask them to come here illegally so they can sponge on our welfare system, and neither did the vast majority of thinking Australians. They made the choice and paid their exorbitant amounts of money to try and jump the queue and they were caught! They have to accept the consequences. We don't want illegal immigrants in our country!
    Batara
    14th Oct 2015
    1:14pm
    Superman and others. It is almost impossible to reason with people like Pablo, Marls and others who have accepted the propaganda propagated by the Murdoch Press and shock jovks like Bolt, Jones and Hadley and of course the former PM Abbott. I was hoping that Abbott's demise might see some common sense prevail. Seems not. Turnbull has to knuckle under to the red neck rump. Perhaps my wife, who I love, is the only peaceful Muslim in the world. Funny thing I have never seen any of my brothers in law making bombs.
    SGW
    14th Oct 2015
    1:21pm
    Congratulations Superman and Saalbach. i'm with you but we'll certainly get some flak. Number one these people are not illegal migrants they are asylum seekers running from war and abuse which is usually a result of The USA and it's war mongering allies, We had boats arriving all the time in the seventies from Vietnam and now these people are part of our society, a lot of you people should stop living in fear of fear itself.
    Leebee
    14th Oct 2015
    5:06pm
    If you do-gooders are so damn sure this is the right thing to do then you take them to your place and clothe and feed them...or do you just expect the rest of us to cover the cost for your high moral intentions? Put your money where your mouth is folks.

    14th Oct 2015
    12:53pm
    I believe it's better to keep people "supervised" until you know the whole story of any situation, be they refugees, amnesiacs, suspects, or detainees for any reason which cannot be fully substantiated, verified, qualified, or proven lawful. Once "the horse has bolted" it is too late, "better safe than sorry", and the the rest of those hackneyed cliches which have been proven correct in more cases than not.
    Pablo
    14th Oct 2015
    1:01pm
    Could not have said it better Eddie!
    Saalbach
    14th Oct 2015
    1:03pm
    You need to report to your local police station immediately. I don't know you, no-one I know has vouched for you, and I and the majority of good honest Australians therefore can't trust you. Not even sure the Govt has checked you out and given you approval to live here. You will need to remain locked up until enough people I can trust can assure me you are OK. By your own admission this is the only course of action we can take to safe guard our country. I don't need to do likewise because I know I am a very good person, I am not Muslim or middle eastern or anywhere disgusting like that, and I am not a boat person, and that's all that matters.
    Adrianus
    14th Oct 2015
    6:11pm
    Agree Fast Eddie, we all want security, law and order. When we don't have that all those who seek the moral high ground now will be the first to complain.
    jackyd
    14th Oct 2015
    1:28pm
    Doctors becoming political... total idiots.
    Immigration matters are not their business, that is for the government.
    Sundays
    14th Oct 2015
    1:57pm
    Doctors are treating these children and obviously feel compassionate towards them. Why would they want them to get better, only to see them get sick again and return for more treatment? I cannot harden my heart against the mistreatment of children. They should not be locked up, and if Malcolm Turnbull agrees why doesn't he do something about it.
    rosie
    14th Oct 2015
    1:48pm
    easily fixed..stop overseas detention..we will then save billions...liberal government has only processed less than 100 refugees in 2 years
    KSS
    14th Oct 2015
    2:25pm
    I do have a question for the hospital doctors refusing to discharge children back into detention; Are those children, who are obviously no longer in need of residential hospital services (because they are in fact healthy enough to be discharged) taking up beds that could/should go to other sick children who need the beds more? If so, what are the doctors telling the parents of the sick children who cannot be admitted due to bed blockage?

    And if not, why is there any discussion about children from detention being discharged at all since they clearly are sick enough to need to be in hospital?
    Dotty
    14th Oct 2015
    2:39pm
    I agree with some here and that is that had the Parents not put these children on these boats etc then no way would they be damaged and to take them from their Parents when that is all they know is damaging in itself also!
    The parents took the chance of taking these children on the high sea's in unseaworthy boats and soem of them seen their siblings and others drown !
    Is it any wonder that the have mental and physical problems ! !
    But is this the way for the parents to take safe haven in a Country that is now loaded with children of our own that face that dilemma at home and in care and yet are left to rot on the vine as the saying goes or to get into drugs etc !
    Who is to say that theses children that most are now saying "NOT" to let them back into detention Centre's will end up in the same situation as those Australian Children that "NOTHING" is being done for ! Dotty

    14th Oct 2015
    2:42pm
    LNP and Labor Governments should hang their heads in shame in relation to offshore detention, they need to close these expensive taxpayer funded hellholes and at the very least get women and children out Manus and Nauru immediately.....

    As I said both sides of the great divide should regard the detention of women and children in these places as a national disgrace....
    Adrianus
    15th Oct 2015
    11:00am
    Shetso1 that is exactly what this government is doing. The previous government had them sprouting like mushrooms or Slater & Gordon offices all over the country. There are now many detention centres empty and in need of another purpose. Much has been achieved over 2 years that took 6 years to build. Those hellholes as you describe them are the preferred abode for many of the remaining residents.
    Miss Elizabeth
    14th Oct 2015
    2:50pm
    Well Mr Turnbull it seems we all want the same thing. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW. The people have spoken.
    Adrianus
    14th Oct 2015
    3:02pm
    In 2007 when Rudd became Prime Minister there were no children in detention due to the Howard government being serious about border control.
    In 2013 when Labor was kicked out there were 2000 children in detention. There would have been more but many did not survive the journey. Despite the encouragement of the Greens and Labor.

    Fast forward to today and we have 97 children in detention. Many of these children's parents have chosen to stay in detention and keep their children with them.
    I think this government should be congratulated!
    KSS
    14th Oct 2015
    3:38pm
    Agree. Just a few small facts that get lost in all the hubris....
    Tom Tank
    14th Oct 2015
    3:59pm
    It is so sad that a topic like this brings out the worst in Australians who repeat the nonsense they have been fed by the rabble rousers with an axe to grind.
    The number of emails circulating that feed this hate mentality is staggering.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Oct 2015
    4:28pm
    If people can't see what is happening - before our very eyes - look at some online videos of what is happening in Europe. "Asylum seekers" throwing away food because it doesn't have enough spices, isn't halal, is too sweet. Large organised numbers chanting to authorities, "F..k off, F... off". It is not hateful to want our western way of life preserved and respected. In large parts of western Sydney white Australians are being made to feel inferior in their own country. The rudeness delivered by men escorting their head-scarfed women, who are equally arrogant and tantamount to social misfits. It is utterly disgraceful. It is not rabble-rousing to express an opinion based on what is being seen in our towns and cities. What is occurring at a government level is known as appeasement. Remember what happened to England after appeasement was the style during the 1940's. As their holy book directs, these men believe they are "entitled" to have intimate relations with girls before they reach puberty. And when girls grow up, they are regarded as inferior beings to their men and there's nothing that can be done about it because they are getting a foothold and politicians are all too frightened to stand up and say - ENOUGH.
    Sundays
    14th Oct 2015
    4:53pm
    Well, I have elderly relatives,in western Sydney who were born here and so were their parents etc. with no family nearby. Without the kindness of their Muslim neighbours,they would not be able to stay in their own home. These neighbours arrange shopping, transport, gardening and ask nothing in return. Easy to stereotype people. Just as many Aussie 'booners ' who are social misfits.
    Adrianus
    14th Oct 2015
    5:01pm
    Brissiegirl, it did not take very long for the European media to stop calling them "asylum seekers" and start to call the migrants.
    Miss Elizabeth
    14th Oct 2015
    4:57pm
    Well I stand corrected. I made a post earlier, one which was made in anger about the children in custody. I made assumptions that most people would be in support of the doctors who have a professional oath to uphold AND are in a good position, and have the power, to speak for many of us who feel that our views are not heard. Pablo, it it not illegal to seek asylum. Please, people, be aware that it is not illegal to seek asylum and "these people" are not "illegals". Many, many people have sought asylum in many countries over hundreds of thousands of years. There are many, many more people who seek asylum after arriving here on planes with temporary visas. Most of us are from "somewhere else". I am a boat person who arrived here from England in the sixties. Not even a ten pound Pom! Free because I was under 18. My parents brought us here for a better life, just the same as the parents of these children. There are many differences but the biggest factor is that our family was not under any threat. Where did you, or your parents come from Pablo? And don't talk about "we've stopped the boats and the drownings". We actually do not know what is happening out there. And, we are not informed about what is happening to the asylum seekers. It is unbelievable that in a country like ours we can be kept so much in the dark. We only have to visit recent history to know that we should not be silent. Thank goodness for the doctors and other staff at the Royal.Children's Hospital. I applaud you!
    Brissiegirl
    14th Oct 2015
    5:46pm
    Doctors are committed to improving human life. They are not politicians, are not charged with the responsibility of keeping our country safe, and are not qualified to make border protection decisions. Post 1945, this country welcomed hundreds of thousands of compatible legal immigrants who were of similar culture, similar religions, similar family and social values and they all helped build our country. They neither asked for, nor were offered, Centrelink benefits and definitely not still dependent 10 years+ after they arrived! Just because the migration system worked well post WWII didn't guarantee it has continued to do so - it has not. We didn't have street knifings and machete killings. Kicking below the belt was not an Australian altercation trait. We all grew this place together when immigration was working well, but that is not the case now. Politicians are trying to ingratiate this country to the rest of the do-gooding world and the rapidly growing islamic vote, particularly trying to impress the travelling wine swilling circus known as the UN - by going along with their demands whether or not it is having happy outcomes for our host country and the hard working people paying the bills. Post WWII immigrants were certainly under no external or internal threat - the people who are now under threat are innocent Australian citizens - inside our own country. The person capable of making oil and water mix hasn't yet been born, and that is exactly what some sections are trying to do, regardless. The children in detention cannot be separated from their parents. It was always a ploy to pay people smugglers to risk their children's lives so they could play on the sympathy of Australian decision-makers. What sort of people throw away their identification papers and put their kids on those dangerous boats anyway? The people who try to wangle their way in on planes must have their papers or they are sent back on the next plane. They can therefore be tracked down and deported.
    KSS
    15th Oct 2015
    7:15am
    Miss Elizabeth the difference is you were NOT seeking asylum. Your family was seeking 'a better life', that makes you a migrant NOT an asylum seeker. Your family chose to make the move to improve their lot NOT to escape war or persecution. The fact you arrived on a boat is irrelevant. I bet it was not on a decrepit Indonesian fishing boat.

    I have just returned from Hungary, scene of the latest European problem. The borders are totally porous so much so that in many places you are even unaware you have crossed from Hungary into Slovak Republic for example. All along the southern border are thousands of non-Syrian identity papers that have been thrown away by people who are, in reality, simply doing what your parents did and seeking a 'better' life/job/house etc'. THEY ARE NOT ASYLUM SEEKERS THEY ARE MIGRANTS but they are declaring themselves Syrian in order to get to Germany for free. Ask them and they say they are only interested in Germany because Germany said they would accept everyone. They can't speak German, they know nothing about Germany but they know they will be supported because Ms Merkyl announced on TV that Germany would turn no-one away. They think they will be able to get a job that pays more than the same job in their home country and so they go. This is why European countries are referring to these people as MIGRANTS - because that is exactly what they are. So please, not everyone on a leaky boat from Indonesia (or anywhere else) is a bone fide refugee. Many, many thousands are in fact migrants taking a easier financial route. After all if you come as a migrant much of the social welfare Australia offers, including Centrelink payments and medicare, is unavailable to you for a minimum of 2 years, you have to be able show you can be self supporting for that time or have a sponsor who will take financial responsibility for you.

    If Australia were to increase intake from refugee camps round the world, people who have already been assessed as a genuine refugee and have had to wait years for transfer to a host country, you would see a very different reaction from Australians who are rightly suspicious of those claimants they see as queue jumpers and undeserving; - because many are!
    superboy
    14th Oct 2015
    6:41pm
    Return them to their parents, whereever they are.
    Alternatively to family members.
    Adrianus
    14th Oct 2015
    9:24pm
    Pretty much what your Grandmother said above. You need to remember this government has had to oversee the resettlement of 2000 children. They are now down to the last 100 and I think the problem is with many of these their parents may be suspected terrorists? Where the father is suspect in many cases the mother and children have been offered resettlement in Australia but have refused, preferring to stay in Nauru. It's not as simple as it sounds.
    Dot
    14th Oct 2015
    9:18pm
    Hitler was once a child what makes these children any different.
    wally
    15th Oct 2015
    10:20am
    For what it's worth, so were Moses, Mohammed and Jesus.
    wally
    15th Oct 2015
    10:20am
    For what it's worth, so were Moses, Mohammed and Jesus.
    Isabel
    15th Oct 2015
    7:19am
    Supernan, Saalbach, Tom Tank and Miss Elizabeth - thank you for your clear-sightedness and humanity.
    Australia is already under international criticism for its concentration camp style detention. Criminal proceedings are in process over the treatment of asylum seekers and even recognised refugees in our detention centres. It will go down as a very dark era in our history. It is also extremely stupid of our governments, because not only is it costing us international goodwill, but vast amounts of money: far more than it would cost to process all boat arrivals efficiently and compassionately on-shore.
    And the boats have NOT been stopped. You are just no longer seeing any evidence of what is happening to them, because reporting of it has been stopped.
    It is of the utmost urgency that we move to a more effective and compassionate asylum-seeker process, and allow these already traumatised people (because there honestly is no other reason any person risks their life - let alone their children's - to undertake a perilous journey in a frail and inadequate craft, often with very little food and water) to resume their lives.
    And I will add, I know a number of refugees and asylum seekers, including some currently detained on Manus Island, Nauru and also some in mainland detention, plus several UN-recognised refugess in refugee camps in Indonesia and Africa. They are of varied nationalities and religious groups, including atheists (which is the reason they are not safe in their country of origin). I am in regular communication with them and all are caring, beautiful human beings, but incredibly saddened by their current life and the circumstances that brought them there.
    PLEASE educate yourselves and stop believing the propaganda spun to you by the Murdoch press.
    Not Amused
    15th Oct 2015
    8:14am
    Australians are definitely educating ourselves. For anyone who thinks that persons illegally accessing Australia via island hopping to our north (under UN rules, Australia is not their country of first asylum) please go to the 2GB website, then scroll through a small number of photographs taken of unauthorised Christmas Island arrivals - persons who throw their documents away in order to try us on. You will see that they were certainly not mal-nourished, poorly dressed "asylum seekers" as claimed. Note the designer clothing, but in particular, look very carefully at the muscle-bound men, then draw your own conclusions.
    They were Centrelink Seekers - no more and no less. Photographs do not lie. http://www.2gb.com/gallery/photos-christmas-island
    wally
    15th Oct 2015
    10:17am
    If the parents of the children in detention are as worried about their children being in detention as much as some of the bleeding hearts in this forum are, the solution is simple. They can take their kids out of detention and go home.

    Instead they prefer to bludge off the Aussie taxpayer with room, board and free health care provided for themselves and their children and have a life of living in Australia on welfare to look forward to.

    It isn't just the politicians rorting the system at the expense of Australian taxpayers.
    Chris B T
    15th Oct 2015
    2:52pm
    We have child endangerment laws in AUSTRALIA of various kinds as to protect the children.
    People shoping for countries to meet there desired outcomes are no less responsibile for their child's safety.
    It is sad that these children are in detention centers but who put them there, we placed the country shopers there because they/mostly discardarded their identifing documents.
    The Government is now trying to establish their Bon I Fide's.
    All have three meals a day, clothing, shelter and washing. This is far more then those in some other camps. Medical help is available as is basic it maybe far more than their ever had.
    If they had the $5000 or whatever money was paid to people smugllers why didn't they stay in Asia this is an enormous amount of money to live off in Asia.
    So the TRUTH WILL NEVER BE TOLD and the CHILDERN ARE PAWNS in nasty game to which they are caught up in. VERY SAD the GOVERNMENT IS NOT TO BE HELD RESPSONSIBILE FOR VERY POOR CHOICES BY PARENTS.
    MICK
    15th Oct 2015
    9:02pm
    All the more reason to send the entire family back home UNLESS it can be shown that it is in danger. This does not apply to those who have conveniently thrown their passports overboard or those who come to avoid poverty.
    The whole issue is heart wrenching but we all need to remember that this is a game and that 30 years down the track we will be on the menu. Already happening. And now the next lot are coming.
    carmencita
    16th Oct 2015
    3:41pm
    Children belong with their parents. It is the parents' responsibility. They knew what they're getting into when they intended to come illegally. close down all detention centres. They're a drain on the economy and spend that money instead on homeless Australians. return the boat people to where they come from or to a UN facility.
    jeep nut
    18th Oct 2015
    5:51pm
    Are Australians ,.Or rather is the Australian government embarresed about the attitude most of Europe has taken toward refugees particularly Germany. Australia Send em back lock em up, put em in camps on some Island but don't let em in
    What now. ? Will these refugees remain in detension ?
    niemakawa
    18th Oct 2015
    8:08pm
    Hospitals readily discharge patients into environments that "compromise" their health. This is just a political stunt by the medical staff involved.
    niemakawa
    18th Oct 2015
    8:13pm
    Don"t bring any detainees on to the mainland in future.


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