Election 2016 – what you think of the policies

Read on for a sneak preview of how retirees will vote in Election 2016.

Australian election voting board

Last week we reported on the Election 2016 policies of the two major parties, that focus on retirees. We asked you to respond with your thoughts on these policies – which you supported, which you didn’t and why. So read on for a sneak preview of how retirees will vote in Election 2016.

What matters most to you from the following 10 major retirement issues:  

  • Climate change and renewable energy
  • Immigration
  • Retirement income
  • Royal Commission into banking sector
  • Health including Medicare, PBS benefits
  • Housing affordability
  • Taxation, personal and company
  • Communications – NBN rollout
  • Employment for mature workers
  • Is there a Minister for Ageing?

Those which are of most concern to YourLifeChoices members are retirement income, health and the economy in general, but what did you have to say about all of the issues? 

Climate change and renewable energy
The members of YourLifeChoices have tended to dismiss climate change science as unreliable or unbelievable.

“It’s a wonder climate change scam is even on the list let alone at the bottom!”

So thumbs down to both parties on this policy

Opinion was more equally divided on the subject of renewable energy, as the following two quotes indicate:
“Coal will still be with us for a while. How long depends on how well the industry and governments back renewable energy, as well as the rate of development. I already have a few bob in lithium interests and am seriously looking at a possible better one: graphene. We live in exciting times that are being held up by the old guard looking after business but it's all coming. Hold onto your seats.”

“Labor and the Greens have been jabbering on about renewable energy since Rudd was PM. During the six Labor years under Kevin and Julia, Kevin had a solar panel subsidy program going. When too many people signed up for it, Kevin scrapped it. “

And thumbs up and down for parties on this one.

Immigration
Members of the site were not very enthusiastic towards either party’s policy on immigration.

Double thumbs down.

“The HOMELESS Before Immigration!!”

Retirement income
From the comments made, the common perception from our members is that there is a lack of equity in retirement income. No party was a ‘winner’ on this issue.

“Among all their plans, have any of the parties a PLAN for allocating an adequate portion of GDP to fund pensions and care for the elderly? The portion of Australian GDP, 2.9 per cent, used for that purpose is miserly. It is significantly less than that of all other developed countries. The parties have been asked to provide their plan for funding pensions and aged care and they have not. They have been deliberately evasive and when pushed have declined to offer anything to seniors. Mr Shorten said categorically he would not be increasing the Age Pension (Q&A 13/06). Seniors have borne all the cuts of the last three budgets. These cuts were constructed by the Liberal Party and supported by the Labor Party, the Greens and Nick Xenophon. Only the other Independents opposed them.”

“But the worst feature of the current system is that it totally destroys and harshly punishes endeavour, responsible planning and frugality – UNLESS that approach to life results in high net worth (around $1.5 million for a couple). The asset test thresholds are way, way, way too low – especially as they take no account of age or special future needs. And when you look at what relatively high income earners can get in pension benefits, it becomes apparent that the system is heavily skewed against those of the disadvantaged who have taken some initiative and planned and saved for old age as best they were able.”

Pension age also got a mention – and increasing it, as we know from our surveys, is not favoured by 70 per cent of our members:

“I disagree with most of what is proposed especially doing nothing about the tax rort of negative gearing on old houses and raising the Age Pension age to 70 which IMO is crazy.”

Royal Commission into banking sector
Despite many Australians believing that our banking sector leaves a lot to be desired, a Royal Commission didn't strike a chord with YourLifeChoices members 

Health – Medicare 
Member comments on Medicare are very negative towards the concept of any changes, so Labor gets a thumbs up on its policy on Medicare, while a lack of trust in the Coalition’s intentions gives it a thumbs down.

“Do I believe they won't privatise Medicare - NO.”

Housing affordability
While many may look at negative gearing and discounts on capital gains tax as being incentives for the wealthy to invest in property, there was a concern that if investors stopped buying houses, not only would the property market stagnate, but there would be fewer rental properties available.

Not a policy that will see Election 2016 decided but perhaps the Coalition just edges this one.

“The big question is will investors continue to buy new homes knowing that they can only on sell them to home owners or cash investors? The return on housing is not good unless you can get capital gains. So if housing stagnates then will investors still invest in houses or find somewhere else to put their money? That is what happened in the 1990s. If investors don't continue to buy new houses, which they may not, then rents will only increase further.”

Taxation
This is the one issue where YourLifeChoices members are united – behind neither party. Short-sightedness of consecutive governments that have failed to create a stable and structured tax system, for both business and personal taxation, is a complaint made by several members. So, while both parties may consider themselves to be good economic managers, you simply don't agree.

“I am not an economist but I imagine if the above were looked at in depth and as one package, not piecemeal, (even if it took three years and a billion dollars) there would be a decrease in business and personal tax if all parties paid tax on income earned. There would also be an increase in pension rates.”

NBN
It’s costing a fortune to deliver an NBN that, by all accounts, isn't going to be anywhere near as good as what we were initially promised. So, should the major parties be focusing on getting it right? Not according to YourLifeChoices members, who had nothing to say on this issue.

Mature workers
Working to 70 or even 67 is not a popular suggestion amongst our members and the policies of both parties fail to hit the mark with anyone. Of more concern is the issue of working all our lives with little to show in return.

“The system heavily favours the privileged who can achieve strong returns on their investments and the healthy and capable who can continue to work a little, do their own home maintenance and personal care tasks without help, etc. Those who suffer most are the underprivileged who have special care and medication needs due to ill-health or disability, the uneducated who lack the knowledge and confidence to invest well, and those who have become extremely risk averse due to crisis, trauma or severe deprivation in earlier years.”

Minister for Ageing
There’s little interest in whether or not either party plans to have a Minister for Ageing but maybe if we gave the position more weight, we would all be better off.

So, there you have it. Many of the issues that the major parties believe will influence your votes actually don't even register in terms of interest. It seems that your requirements for a good government are actually quite simple – keep us healthy, enable us to have an adequate income in retirement and get the economy in order.





    COMMENTS

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    Cautious
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:33am
    I would rather the Labor parties position in this election rather than the Liberal parties.
    The Labor party just needs to say whatever it thinks people want to hear and it is doing just that.
    Whether they are going to deliver or whether it is true is irrelevant, they just want votes so It is a matter of saying the "right" thing.
    Honestly be true to yourself and check it out yourself.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:22am
    Labor is telling one big lie about Medicare and quite frankly how can anyone trust them to run the country by telling such a blatant lie?
    HarrysOpinion
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:11pm
    If Xenophon had candidates in every federal electorate he would win hands down. So let's increase the support to retain him for the Senate.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    How can you trust anybody "telling such a blatant lie"?
    Turnbull and Morrison claiming a $57 billion black hole....shown 2 days later to be a blatant lie.
    Turnbull claiming the world will end because negative gearing is altered.
    Abbott promising no new taxes?
    Abbott promising there would be no changes to Gonski funding or pensions?
    Yeah, tell me about "promises" Geezer. The jury is out on Medicare but as I have said previously you don't spend $5 on a "study" if you intend to not flog it off. Where there's smoke there's fire.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:43pm
    Big difference here is that we already know Labor Medicare stance is a blatant lie but some are silly enough not to realise it.

    All those you mentioned Mick could not be proved to be lies at the time.

    Big difference.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:01pm
    Now we are into denial. If all else fails deny the facts.
    Not sure about Medicare but inclined to believe Hawke, not Turnbull.
    wally
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:02pm
    Here we go again.

    YAWN!

    The usual suspects spouting the same old "same old". It is like they are playing the same old record and not listening to any opinion at variance with their own.

    Including me,

    probably.
    PlanB
    24th Jun 2016
    6:52am
    I am with you Mick -- Abbott told so many lies and BROKE every one of his promises -- EXCEPT STOP THE BOATS -- but at what cost was that -- we were never told -- did those people die? Maybe. Turnbull is continuing in Abbott's footsteps -- they are for the BIG end of town and have NFI how the average bloke lives
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    11:07am
    The boats were never stopped - they were ambushed on the high seas in an act of piracy and diverted by force to concentration camps. What an amazing piece of violation of law and of human rights.

    On top of that Tony's government hid the facts from the Australian people.

    Nope - Abbott stopped no boats - just fed us criminality and lies.
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    11:10am
    Comparison:- I decide to move to South Australia.. traveling down the highway I am ambushed in NSW by South Australian police, and forcibly moved to a camp in the Western Australian Desert and told I will never be permitted into South Australia, but might be forcibly moved to New Zealand.

    How do you reckon that would go over?
    particolor
    24th Jun 2016
    11:15am
    Ask if they can send you a little further North to a Tropical Paradise !! Manus Island !! :-) :-)
    maxchugg
    24th Jun 2016
    1:54pm
    Once again we see politicians demonstrating what a treacherous, deceitful bunch they really are, why in their professions they are deemed to have less integrity than used car salesmen.

    I don't doubt that the current PM intended to drastically review Medicare to the disadvantage of everyone, but lost his nerve when he could see that unless he killed the story he would probably lose the election.

    To save his neck, the PM promised that Medicare won't be touched, just as John Howard promised tax cuts before an election and delivering tax increases upon winning, earning himself the nickname of "Honest John." He turned his mind to invention, and came up with the "non-core promise." He also promised that he would not introduce a GST.

    As for Labor, they have been a little more subtle, the most memorable of their deceits was the promise of no carbon tax.

    We all enjoyed the wit and perceived wisdom of Gough Whitlam, which deflected us from looking too closely at the troupe of clowns he had as ministers, one of whom gave a great impersonation of a galah, not to mention the unusual relationship between Jim Cairns and Juni Morosi. A well deserved end to this administration was brought about by apparently unsavoury tactics of a ruthless leader of the opposition and a Governor General of doubtful sobriety.

    The only answer is to trust neither side, vote so that the government does not control the senate to ensure that it is a genuine house of review, not a rubber stamp.
    Cautious
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:36am
    I should add that I am a Labor voter and I don't believe half the stuff they are saying.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:23am
    Choice between 2 evils and best of a bad lot? Of course you could vote Independent. A good choice for the senate especially where bad policy can be stopped in its tracks.
    HarrysOpinion
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:14pm
    It's not what they say, because what they say is mostly BS. It's how they vote in parliament for the laws that affect your life and living that matters. Shorten voted against age pension increase.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:35pm
    And Abbott/Turnbull voted for most Australians? The company tax rate changes were brought in for one group only: the wealthy.
    Let's not cherry pick HS.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:55pm
    A fall in company tax rate is good for all Australians except for self funded retirees who may have to take a small cut in their franking credits in the years to come. Most Australian companies will have enough excess franking credits to pay same rate for many years.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:00pm
    Ha, ha ha, ha.....
    A fall in company tax rate means that those who are already doing well get to keep even more and that average Australians will get TAX INCREASES to fund this.
    What a decrepit comment devoid of fairness and feeling. Shame on you Frank!
    JOHN T
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:04pm
    Anyone that believes the liberals will not change medicare will also believe Abbott will not contest the leadership if the Coalition is returned with a reduced margin. Kevin Rudd did not reduce the solar rebate in fact it is still going but at a reduced discount thanks to the LNB
    As the member of the Labor Party in England said on Lateline Australia has got a few things right eg controlled immigration but neither parties have Leaders that you could make decisions in their own right
    They talk of having a plebiscite on Gay Marriages but how about one on refugees and then the will of the people will be told
    Rae
    24th Jun 2016
    8:21am
    Savers are being asked to cop all the pain from the GFC fiasco as it unfolds still. Eight years of falling incomes and returns.

    I can't see how a corporate tax cut will help.

    Then again if the LNP do get back into power we will at least see the results of their policies.

    If they mess up then they may spend decades out of power into the future.

    The biggest problem any have is to be able to empathise with the ordinary struggler and to step out of their own biases and belief systems and really see the truth in front of them.

    If we had just one who could do that we would have a real leader again. That is what we desperately need. A real leader with the People as a priority.
    particolor
    24th Jun 2016
    11:22am
    And as the Sun Sets slowly in the West! We drift happily back into Slumberland !!! ZZzzz ! SNORE !! ZZZzzzzzzzz.....
    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    9:05am
    Well I haven't as yet been asked to cop up any pain from the GFC and still have the $900 they gave me. They haven't even asked for that back. Meanwhile is earns me a few pennies.

    I'll admit though that my franking credits may be a bit less with lower company tax rate but that will be more than balanced out by bugger dividends.

    People only struggle because they spend more than they earn. It is as simple as that but people fail with this simple concept. Who cares about cracked plates? Only those people try to impress who don't really give a rats. I was thinking about having some work done on one of my kitchens until someone told me how nice it looked.

    From the country's perspective a LNP government is far superior but personally it will make little difference to me who ever rules. But being the unselfish person I am I think the country and future generations are more important that what's good for me.
    Idontforget
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:49am
    I have been a conservative voter and I don't believe anything that any of the candidates have to say. Its laughable that politicians wring their hands and express wonderment as to why Members of Parliament have lost the respect of the Australian population when they have brought it all upon themselves by their dishonesty.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:24am
    I am voting Independent as I have had enough. If they want to lie to me then I will reward dishonesty with what it deserves, political annihilation.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    As I have said before Mick waste of time one of the big parties are going to win you perhaps might do some good in the Senate but need to vote for someone who is known like Hanson or Hinch.
    I notice there is a party called the Pirate party don"t know what there about but like the name.
    HarrysOpinion
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:20pm
    The vote build up against the major 3 parties has to begin, even though we know that at this election the alternative minor parties can not win unless the minor parties and the independents form a United Coalition. Nevertheless, it's your right to vote in a discontented way and eventually, maybe next time or the time after that enough votes are build up nationally to thwart the current 3 big bastards into oblivion.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:39pm
    Of course one of the big parties is going to win sceptic. But they may need to government with a coalition of sorts. That is what the LNP is all about anyway and this could work for Labor too: Independents will do this!
    If people are peed off, then rather than have a donkey vote go for Independents. Now that sends a powerful message and puts BOTH sides on notice. Then the bastards change how they operate lest they are shown the door. Win/win.
    Julian
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:42pm
    True. When you lie so much you believe yourself, but wonder why the general population feels skepticism.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:13pm
    Correct Julian - it's like 'fake tradie' - the people who created that ad actually thought it would resonate with 'middle Australia' - they had convinced themselves it was a work of brilliance.

    Same thing happens with all those who work in the realm of ideas and not facts... Labor assumes that forcing 50% women just has to be a winner - I doubt that very much on performance.... Liberal thinks that giving companies a free ride means the economy will prosper.. again - no doubt whatsoever that is a false assumption... but the planning looks good....

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    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:13pm
    Correct Julian - it's like 'fake tradie' - the people who created that ad actually thought it would resonate with 'middle Australia' - they had convinced themselves it was a work of brilliance.

    Same thing happens with all those who work in the realm of ideas and not facts... Labor assumes that forcing 50% women just has to be a winner - I doubt that very much on performance.... Liberal thinks that giving companies a free ride means the economy will prosper.. again - no doubt whatsoever that is a false assumption... but the planning looks good....

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    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    9:07am
    I hate to say but voting for independents is a vote fo the LNP. So keep voting independent.
    Radish
    27th Jun 2016
    4:17pm
    The "fake Tradie" was in fact a tradesman...it was just a lie by the Labor Party.
    maxchugg
    29th Jun 2016
    11:15am
    Bonny, I think that you could be right, but hope not.

    I believe that in a close election, such as the one we are facing, voting for independents will allow them to determine which of the two parties will govern, giving enormous power to a few individuals. In this situation it might be hoped that this power would be used for the benefit of the nation, realistically there is a real danger that it would be used for personal advantage.

    Unfortunately voters who, like myself, want a Senate that is a genuine house of review and not a rubber stamp have to cross vote, in my case Liberal in the Reps and independents for the Senate. The hope is that the Senate will then act responsibly and vote in the best interests of the nation, which would be an unrealistic expectation for obvious reasons with Labor in control of the Senate.
    Interested lady
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:03am
    I believe that most people are over both political parties. Neither can be trusted. Most of the things that the political parties believe are issues are not really issues. Then there are issues that many people see as issues because they don't want to make the hard decisions.

    For example housing affordability. We owned our own unit in the Eastern suburbs many years ago. No mortgage and we had money which was a lot for that time. However we had to make decision. We couldn't get the finance to stay in eastern suburbs. Did we move to out west where we could afford or rent and stay in our comfortable position. We made the hard decision to move out west to a less desirable suburb. Away from family and friends, beaches and lifestyle that we knew. These days people are not willing to make the hard decisions. My husband needed to travel 1 1/2 hours instead of half an hour. They would rather whinge and say things are unachievable and too expensive rather than making unpopular decisions.

    I believe that failure to address issues on the ageing eg employment, taxation reform, injustice to self funded retirees. The inequities between the NDIS and My aged care are another policy that has not even been mentioned. These are issues that are affecting older people and are of paramount concern.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:26am
    Complain about the issues yes but do something about it rather than keep voting in the bastards who cause the problems. Time to make a switch and vote back in some of the Independents who did us all proud during the past 3 years.
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    10:26pm
    All politicians see us, the cash providers, as being are just the avenues for them to push their Ideology and their agenda and their personal self-interest and that of their mates.. NOT OF YOU!

    We are just there to provide them with the wherewithal to pursue their own things, and if we get harmed along the way - well - tough titties... ya gotta break some eggs to make yer omelette....

    My problem is that those eggs are mine.. not theirs....
    kinkakuji
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:19am
    A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN
    To the citizens of the Australia from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
    In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent goverment and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)
    Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Tasmania, which she does not fancy).
    Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for Australia without the need for further elections.
    The lower house and the Senate will be disbanded.
    MITZY
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:57pm
    I wonder why you wrote this? Our constitution has not revoked Queen Victoria's signature yet?
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:19am
    The Labor lie about Medicare is enough for me not to trust Labor any more.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:27am
    And of course you trust Tony Abbott and the party machine now run by a different liar but the same group? Rusted on!
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:45am
    You are right they all tell lies but this Medicare lie has really got up my nose. So I'm definitely not voting Labor.
    Tom Tank
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:59am
    It is interesting "Old Geezer" that your entire focus is on one item when lies are being told by both sides.
    The LNP have shown by their policies over the years that just because they now say they won't privatise Medicare that doesn't mean they won't destroy it.
    Their approach to Private health Cover is such as to undermine Medicare and drive us into an American style health care system.
    A study of what has gone on, and is still going on will, if it is looked at objectively, confirm this.
    Given the enmity that exists between the Liberal Right Wing and Turnbull gives rise to serious concern. If Turnbull wins the election, which will be by a narrow margin, will he have the political clout to resist Abbott, Barnardi, Dutton, Abetz etc?
    We could possibly see a change in P.M. again. Only conjecture I know but this is possible and can Australia afford this sort of dissension in Government.
    Personally the only sensible option I see is to vote Independent for the Senate as this is the only way a ruling party in the House of Reps can be kept even half way honest.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:05pm
    I think we have had enough of governments constrained by minority parties in the senate. The Senate should just do what it supposed to do. Be a house of review not govern the country. I'm certainly not voting for independents in the Senate as I want to see the government run the country not the Senate.

    Nothing stopping Shorten resigning if he loses either.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:41pm
    Spot on Tom. I find it interesting that some on this website are happy to focus on one lie and ignore the many from their own party. I guess that's how LNP trolls and the rusted on operate. No perspective, fairness or soul.
    MITZY
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:50pm
    I agree with you Tom Tank: I also think the Libs have never ever been a friend of Medicare. There is a good article in the SMH today re Medicare's history since inception.
    Old Geezer: The Senate, although a house of review, reviews each Bill and determines its outcome. As it contains so many different elements of political beliefs, I would prefer it remained the status quo. The end result of the review is a consensus and more bills were passed with the Gillard era of government than ever before. She managed a Hung Parliament very well against the most hostile Libs I've ever witnessed in my years of voting from the mid-1950's.
    What I am NOT looking forward to after the 2nd July election is the two current Labor/Coalition leaders voices for the ensuing three years. We will have "Waffling on Turnbull", more of the same long drawn out sentences when he could have said what he meant in one sentence. Or we will have "Fast talking Bill Shorten" where we have so many quick grabs from one side of the country to the other.
    Which voice can we tolerate for the next three years?
    KSS
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:58pm
    Mick you really need to get over your distaste for Mr Abbott. Mr Abbott is not the leader of the party, he holds no ministry (not is he likely to get one) and in all likelihood is not in your electorate. Therefore you have no ability to vote for or against him. Do give it a rest.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:32pm
    KSS: my distaste as you call it is for betrayal, dishonesty and corruption. Always.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:38pm
    Medicare is already not for the wealthy. I for one value my health enough not to have some newbie surgeon operate on me in a public hospital.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:57pm
    Your choice. So you take out Private Health Insurance. Just leave everybody else's health cover alone please.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:07pm
    Some things are just more valuable then money Mick.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:10pm
    And some are highly overrated.
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    10:29pm
    Massively over-rated in consideration of private health insurance. Get back to me, OG, when you get away with an operation and not have to cough up a few lazy thou anyway, despite your 'choice of doctors'.

    What a load of cods - I have never had one operation on Medicare, and have never paid one cent, and have always had the best surgeons.... the ones I chose....

    You are being robbed blind if you believe in private health care... and so is the taxpayer who subsidises it for you.....
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    10:33pm
    Sorry - that was "never had one operation on Medicare, for which I have not paid a cent, unless it has been with the best doctors and those of my choice."

    Now part of that is a DVA card - but that does not cover me for most things... only a very few, the rest are on the public health....

    I've had two shoulder ops, a nose job (couldn't breathe through it), heart operations, and gastro-intestinal stuff - all for free and with the first choice doctors... I also get free hearing aids and eyeglasses...
    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    9:09am
    I had one emergencpy operation under medicare. Never again.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    9:03pm
    I had surgery under Medicare after paying thousands for CRAP private treatment, and I was so impressed by the superior quality of care that I immediately cancelled my private health cover. Never again will I fall for the BS! Private cover means ''give me your credit card and I'll charge you triple what public patients pay, for poor quality treatment''. In the public hospital, my health and comfort mattered more than how much they could rip out of me for every last pain killer.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:22am
    Check out the following for up to date information on how the parties really feel about the issues important to the nation:

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    Must see reading.
    Happy cyclist
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:25am
    I think the notion that everyone wants their house prices to rise and rise is rubbish. I am sick of hearing it this election. I couldn't care less if my house lost half its value -- as long as all real estate was proportionately devalued. That would mean many people could enter the market and I also would be able to upgrade as the difference I would have to pay would be much less. But it seems to me that due to the greed of some who want a fast way to make (not earn) money, houses have become an investment vehicle rather than serve their original purpose of providing a home. It won't happen in my lifetime but I would love to see us return to a view that houses are for living in and everybody deserves to have one, rather than seeing them as a way to make a quick buck while excluding a large proportion of the population from having the security of owning one.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:31am
    Agree. Sure many of us have investment properties but do we get these to avoid having to take a pension or do we get these to make a capital gain.
    Labor has it right. Whilst Shorten has stated that Labor will grandfather existing arrangements he has CORRECTLY said that negative gearing will only be available to NEW HOUSES. That is the correct policy to create new houses and take the pressure of rent increases which are at breaking point.
    The only people wanting to support the Turnbull lie about negative gearing are those who benefit and most of those people are well to do folk wanting a free kick.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:43am
    Less people will invest in property so demand for rents will cause rents to rise significantly.

    Also negative gearing new properties favours high income earners as they can write off more tax than low income earners. I really don't think that is fair at all.

    However the biggest problem investors will have by investing in new properties is that their market to sell them has got a lot smaller and the big question is whether they will invest in property at all any more. If this happens the building industry will collapse and the supply of houses will dry up causing further house price increases.

    I really don't think Labor has thought their policy through.
    Tom Tank
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:04pm
    Old Geezer studies have been done on this very issue re negative gearing and all their views are that prices will stabilise in the short term but will then continue to rise albeit slower than of late.
    They also conclude it won't make any difference to the rental market.
    I guess the Murdoch Press doesn't print such studies as it goes against their political ambitions.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:17pm
    Simple economics says less houses to rent and more people wanting to rent them then only variable that can change is price. Rents will increase as less properties become available to rent.

    Looking at the increase in CGT. Because houses are lumpy assets people will invest elsewhere so that they don't get big CGT bills when they sell. It is easier to sell a few shares then sell a bedroom in a house.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:43pm
    What a lot of crap you write Geezer. Property investors will buy property, new or existing.
    Happy cyclist
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    Old Geezer, you miss the point that if housing becomes affordable then there won't be nearly so many people renting because they will be able to get into home ownership themselves. There will be fewer people wanting to rent.
    The Librarian
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    That removing negative gearing on existing properties in future will destroy the real estate market and lead to massive drops in house prices etc is just a scare campaign, an LNP one this time. However as a certain person keeps claiming we are in a time of change and need to adapt our economy. Putting large amounts of money into existing property is not going to help as this money is basically inert. Economic activity is only generated when money is exchanged and products /services created and the more often it changes hands the higher the economic activity. Negative gearing to encourage new houses and providing additional money to the less well off members of our society (as they spend it immediately)will in fact increase economic activity and overall wealth.
    KSS
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:14pm
    Just over 4 years ago when I was looking to buy my residential property, it was quite clear that even moving to a less desirable area and much further away from work, I simply could not afford the cost of a new property in the same less desirable area. The difference was about 50% more for the new build.

    If investors are only allowed to buy (and negatively gear) new properties, at a much higher price and with very little incentive to do so if capital gains tax is also halved, and couple that with the increased taxes on foreign buyers (land tax and stamp duty at least in NSW and Vic) it would seem to me that there will quickly be a housing oversupply and prices will fall. That will affect everyone including home owners not just investors or would be home owners. And I am not convinced that prices will fall low enough to be of interest to first time home buyers. So to me it looks more like a lose-lose-lose situation.

    Limiting the number of investment properties anyone could hold to say just one, and having people invest elsewhere might be a better option that could see a more controlled price shift, allow people to still have their (single) investment property, free up more older housing stock for buying whilst still having a firm platform for rental properties. More of a win-win-win don't you think?
    Ny19
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:17pm
    Well said Happy cyclist, I feel the same way.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:54pm
    KSS: you reek of self interest. The flaw in your argument is:

    1. for a home owner selling in a market and then buying into it again results in no real loss.
    2. for an investor getting in there is no real downside other than losing a taxpayer bonus via negative gearing. You STILL earn the rent and you STILL get the deductions.

    In the end a market which levels out (it will not fall much if anything) makes it easier for first time buyers to get in. That is a good thing as young people need to be able to get a foot in the door.
    Your gripe appears to be that you cannot get more from the taxpayer.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:23pm
    I don't care how many investment properties people buy as long as they are not negatively geared. the rent should cover loan repayment and repairs, in time (and it should be considerable time, not like now) the property will increase in value and there is your profit. I don't know why the tax payer should pay for any part of your investment.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:49pm
    Problem is that Labor has a double whammy with their negative gearing policy. They are going to increase the CGT as well. So you will pay a lot more tax on those profits.

    Personally I don't think it will be worth investing in property under a Labor government. Those tax havens are starting to look very attractive.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:56pm
    I agree with negative gearing but disagree with CGT. But you fail to mention that the current lot will be grandfathered. Funny how you avoid mention of that Geezer.
    By all means put your money into Tax Havens like Malcolm does. The rats always run together. Did you say you were an Australian?
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:33pm
    I don't believe in grandfathering as it just looks after the incomes of accountants.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:12pm
    And lets people know that their financial decisions cannot be attacked by backdated rule changes which advantage the government of the day...and possibly their backers.
    Alexii
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:11pm
    We'd also find our insurance premiums and rates would be less. So win, win, win!
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    11:19am
    You either get Negative Gearing and then pay full Capital Gains Tax on death or transfer, or you get reduced Capital Gains Tax and don't get Negative Gearing.

    What needs to be looked at here is trusts and companies that engage in housing investment, since they MIGHT, if allowed to, get around the obligation to pay CGT when a property is transferred, simply by changing the owners of the company from Dad to kids for example.

    All that is required in that case is for a full disclosure of transfer of ownership of the owning body... failure or refusal cops a fine of $2m.

    I'd say both parties have it wrong here - and my best option is to gradually reduce NG while slowly increasing CGT to match, thus little suffering will come to investors , who will have plenty of time to adjust.

    All this pussy-footing around the issue reminds me of superannuation and pension retirees and they way that has become a jungle.
    Old Man
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:31am
    I live in a very safe seat so it matters little how I vote. I get annoyed about the lies being told in advertising but I am powerless to stop them. I find it odd that if I have a business I can't falsely advertise but the people who passed that law are exempt.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:33am
    A very safe Liberal seat of course!
    I do agree with your statement above advertising. There should be laws to stop intentional dishonest advertising complete with huge fines and even jail terms.
    Old Man
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:05pm
    Actually, bullying, Labor voting, personal abusing MICK, you're wrong once again. My electorates, both State and Federal have been in Labor hands since formation. Why you would choose to toss in a comment about my post regarding choosing a side is typical of your puerile responses; nothing to do with what was posted.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:46pm
    Your favourite word is always "bully" Old Man. If that is the best you can do then go down to the RSL and play bowls.
    The reason I tossed in the comment is because you are clearly at the very least a rusted on Liberal. Tell me your electorate and I'll know for sure. I thought so!
    Please.....no personal abuse you bully.
    Ayin
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:03pm
    Old Man so very correct about advertising and business. What is an election? Is it not two or more organisations placing before the electorate a prospectus of what they will do if they win the contract to Govern our enterprise, they are richly remunerated for this. So let us put to all of those who seek power to influence the lives of everyone in this Country , if you do not fill your promises then we will take you to court.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:56pm
    They have made sure that they cannot be prosecuted Ayin. The best one can do is to incorporate into the Constitution a requirement to resign. I am thinking that a rugby league 'changeover' style rule might be a good thing as long as oppositions were not allowed to abuse it.
    scouserdog
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:47am
    I am totally disillusioned with the Coalition who have driven us further and further into debt and I do not believe that the ALP is wrong about the Coalition's plans for Medicare. I think they have every intention to privatise it. They broke so many of their so called promises last time I don't know how anyone can trust them this time.

    I think climate change is a major issue which needs to be addressed - I trust the ALP to do something about it far more than the Coalition who have just made things worse over the last three years.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:51am
    How can something that makes no money be privatised? It simply does not make any sense.
    B5YCK
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:57am
    So now the coalition have caused the climate change/
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    Climate change has happened ever since the earth was created and I don't think the coalition has been around that long.
    wouldbe retiree apprentice
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:21pm
    The coalition inherited an economy on a trajectory based on 6 previous years of Labor budgets, including huge ramp up in spending based on income never received.. What would you have them do ?? Back out that increased welfare spending immediately ?? Surely the shock to the economy would have been used had that tact been taken.. The economy is larger than a huge ship when it comes to turning it around, and it's mainly the result of the past errors of judgements, such as we have seen over the past decade.. As for climate change and correction thereof, Australia CANNOT do it alone but must tie in with the global initiatives as we are only 1% of the issue.. Labor's efforts to fix carbon emissions on it's own just resulted in a huge tax on electricity and really hurting the people they claim to protect. And Lying ?? cannot forget Julia's classic re the carbon tax... Most honest Politian award must go to Peter Garrett who was caught stating that "It doesn't matter what you tell them, as we'll change it all after the election". Truer words have never been spoken !!!
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:50pm
    Don't you just love the comments from dubious posters with a right wing bias on steroids.
    Have a look at the following to see how the parties are on climate change:

    https://d68ej2dhhub09.cloudfront.net/image_12313_full.png

    Tells a story. The coal industry owned LNP does not support ANYTHING which is anti coal. Well I guess that is what happens when your election is funded by the coal industry. And that the reason why we need a federal ICAC for scrutiny and accountability as to WHO this nation is being run for. It sure isn't the population.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:32pm
    I pulled in at a rest stop on a busy highway a week or so ago. While sitting there I thought I would see if any electric cars went by. Didn't see one.

    I think that says it all. We are still a very long way away from relying upon anything but coal, oil and gas.

    OK we have roof top solar that is about to get a kick in the teeth in NSW when they replace the 60c feed in with next to nothing on December 31.

    I think it is simpler than the LNP not supporting anything that is anti-coal. There are still no viable alternatives for base load power.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:54pm
    Not sure what planet you live on Geezer. By 2020 Tesla will be producing 500,000 a year. If the current government were not coal owned Australia would be in the new industry businesses rather than coal. But then there is a reason why this nation is a follower and not a leader. So much for "jobs and growth" and a "technology nation". These are just words from Turnbull and I expect after the election they would be shredded....just like the Abbott era.

    You are correct that the 60c feed in tariff is ending at the end of the year. There AGAIN is where a clever nation would be investing producing storage batteries. Not Australia under a LNP government though. We'll have none of that. Tesla is currently constructing the world's largest battery factory in Nevada. Australia loses AGAIN.
    And here again we have it Frank: base load. I am sorry to tell you this but that argument is dead. STORAGE is the holy grail. Once factories start ramping up this will kill coal. You'll know this is happening when any good lithium mines in this country are being bought by American investors. Already started. Some things never change.....and you ask why Australia is not doing too well?
    Old Man
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:41pm
    I agree wouldbe retiree apprentice, and not only has Labor run up billions in debt and has not delivered a surplus budget since 1989, they have hypocritically announced, in their election promises, to pass billions of dollars of savings that they have continually blocked in the Senate.

    Labor did nothing to stop the coal industry in their 6 years but now Turnbull is being blamed for coal polluting the world. There is only one cheaper way to provide electricity than coal and that is nuclear.

    It is noted that there is mention of something happening by 2020 and it reminds me of Hawke promising that "no child will live in poverty by 1990" or "Labor will plant 1 billion trees by 2000". This is the "honest" politician who now tells us that Medicare will be privatised.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:42pm
    Did you know Mick that Tesla has so many orders that there is not enough lithium in the whole world to make those cars? That is why lithium is so hot. Problem with lithium batteries is that they are made for cars not storage and lose most of their storage capacity within 10 years. Currently for the $11,000 plus cost it is uneconomic to install the batteries in a house. Costs will have to reduce significantly or electricity prices rise significantly. Neither of which will happen anytime soon. There is also some doubt over how safe lithium batteries are too. Remember the exploding laptops?

    That said there are other batteries made with different technologies already in the market or coming online soon. But as with lithium batteries their cost and life span makes it uneconomic to use them in one's house.

    We still have along way to go unless the government decides to subsidise battery storage costs.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:53pm
    Old Man this makes good reading regarding nuclear power in Australia.

    http://www.foe.org.au/anti-nuclear/issues/oz/np
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:15pm
    Old Man: the normal dishonest spiel. The CURRETN GOVERNMENT
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:19pm
    Old Man: the normal spiel with zero credibility. The current government has tripled the deficit and run up an additional $100 billion in debt in 3 years. Not even Rudd and Gillard managed that one. Oh yeah.....'not my fault'. The normal out for this deceitful bunch of liars.

    Geezer: Crap! Only a total imbecile would even contemplate nuclear because the waste is toxic for 20,000 years+. You know that! Why would anybody with double digit intelligence even contemplate nuclear over renewables? Ok, I may have answered my own question. Give me strength!
    Old Man
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:50pm
    Here we go again! As usual MICK, you have dodged the facts presented and have chosen to cloud the issue with irrelevant facts. What I have said is not "spiel" which is defined as trying to persuade somebody, I have presented unvarnished truths which are self evident. As regards countries using nuclear power, there are over 30 including USA, UK, France, Russia and Canada. Not countries known for imbecility.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:24pm
    Old Geezer - are you suggesting that every now-privatised public utility was designed originally to make a profit? Actually they did, for the people through their governments - now, as privatised entities, they make profits for their shareholder and a nice living for their board members etc... all free of charge.

    As I said on another forum - if my mechanic, off his own bat, fitted a motor to my car that cost three times as much to run but returned the same performance - I'd sue him or shoot him, whichever comes first.

    That is what has happened with every privatised public utility - the costs have gone through the roof for the exact same performance.

    THAT is what would happen with Medicare - it would be designed to generate a profit for its 'board members' and private shareholders - and that means that you may get your same rebate, but you will find you are stung for 'administrative costs' as well - either directly or through such costs being slugged on your doctor, who will be forced to pas them on.

    That's how it works, old son...... or rather ..... doesn't work.
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    11:34am
    wouldbe - the Carbon Tax that Never Was had nothing to do with rising costs of electricity - sorry - that was the direct result of adding further layers of fat mouths to feed in the way of ceos board members and investors, all due to privatisation.

    The 'carbon tax' never bit.... are you now suggesting that the mere whiff of such a tax caused the doubling and near trebling of power costs?

    Dream on......
    biddi
    23rd Jun 2016
    11:52am
    If you really care for animals, who don't have a voice, go on to the Animal Justice Party
    website. There you will see how to vote for the ones at the bottom of the heap.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:21pm
    Yes popped them in as one of my twelve in the senate
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:51pm
    agghhh - my new son-in-law is a candidate for the AJP... hope he gets in. He has principles (otherwise my daughter would not even consider him)... now maybe The Godfather can offer a little guidance....

    In my vote down here in New South Australia...
    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    8:50am
    Ned my cattle dog seems know exactly how to deal with people from the Animal Injustice Party so I don't get to talk to them these days.
    bartpcb
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:03pm
    Fact: The Labor Party saw us successfully through a Global Financial Crisis.
    Fact: The Labor Party absolutely minimised job losses in that same period.
    Fact: The rest of the worlds financial advisors admired the Labor Parties strategies to protect the country through a crisis which the rest of the world floundered in.
    Fact: The Liberal Party lied about the significance of our national debt.
    Fact: The Liberal Party lied when it said it could bring budget to surplus.
    Fact: Unemployment significantly rose after the Liberal Party got to power.
    Fact: The Liberal Party will at the first chance get rid of Penalty rates and impoverish the working man.
    Fact: The Liberal Party will make pensioner pay more for Medical treatment.
    Fact: The Liberal Party has attacked the Disabled pensions.
    Fact: The Liberal Party has made Student education a privilege of the rich.
    Why would anyone support the Liberal Party????
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:06pm
    That all sounds like Labor party propaganda to me.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:52pm
    And it sounds like you are a troll (Frank?) Geezer. Hard to argue the facts isn't it? All of the above are FACTS. If you want propaganda have a listen to Morrison, Turnbull and Corman. You'll hear plenty of that from these three.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:59pm
    I don't agree Mick.

    Global Financial Crisis for a start was very badly managed. One has only to look at the mess we are in today with that big debt. So much money was wasted when Labor panicked. I wonder who made all that money out of school halls and pink batts?

    I need not go on as you really know the truth.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:45pm
    Labor panicked? So were YOUR children thrown out of a job? I thought not.
    I find it mildly amusing that pink batts and schools are still the bogey man of choice. About time you moved on and maybe started on the Carbon Tax Frank......which most other countries in the world now want, blocked only by their own coal industries.
    You comments are not factual but why does that not surprise me.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:53pm
    I thought carbon was one of the building blocks of nature. So you want to tax nature for what it does best Mick. Makes no sense to me at all.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:21pm
    Defies logic????? Don't know what planet you are from.
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:02pm
    My Trees are dying :-( Lack of Carbon I think ? :-(
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:30pm
    "I wonder who made all that money out of school halls and pink batts?"

    a. Businesses in construction.
    b. The Government of Farkistania.
    c. The Labor government.
    d. Fake Tradie.

    Umm.. ahhhh...... (ten seconds....... five).. lock in a. Eddie.. yes a.!

    BUSINESSES.

    You're sure? You'll stake a million dollars on that answer?

    Yes, Eddie.

    OK......... here's the answer....................... I'll give you a chance to change your mind..... you want to do that?

    No, Eddie.. I'll stick with a.

    Well, it's your million........ the answer is... for ONE MILL-YUN DULLAHS ............. you ready for this? The answer IS...........

    a.! You've just won a Mill-Yun DULLAHS!!!
    MICK
    24th Jun 2016
    8:51am
    The whole argument from the trolls is just deceit anyway because THE BOSS is responsible for ensuring the safety of his employees. The government was not the boss.
    Anonymous
    25th Jun 2016
    3:42pm
    So, Old Geezer, given that apparently Labor couldn't control the misdeeds of greedy businesses who exploited the school halls and pink batts programs, why should we trust the LNP to control what greedy businesses do with their tax cuts? For my part, I don't trust any company to use a tax cut to benefit society - any more than I trust a business to pay tax honestly. So giving them more is just going to mean more stashed in the Caymans and Panama and less circulating in society. At least the money spent on school halls and pink batts was spent in Australia. It might not have delivered good value, but it wasn't hoarded in foreign tax havens. And I don't think the LNP has any greater capacity to control the bad behaviour of business than Labor.
    Old Geezer
    25th Jun 2016
    10:17pm
    Really Rainey. You obviously have some misguided faith in Labor. It is just laughable having the unions control big business. But that's not even worth a thought because quite simply Labor has already lost this election. Good thing too as I don't think Bill is ready to be PM.

    So let's cut the taxes for big business and just see how much more tax we collect.
    ex PS
    29th Jun 2016
    3:56am
    Old Geezer, name one major industrial nation that went with the LNP austerity plan that did better than Australia during the financial crises. Better the Unions control big business than big business control the government as it is doing with the LNP. The idea that a tax cut of $6.00 a week which is about the average for a small business is going to help employ anyone is laughable. Even larger business will probably pocket the extra profit rather than use it for the good of others.
    In regards to pink batts and school halls, think about the money the government saved by not having to pay out huge unemployment benefits to those thrown out of work when their employers businesses failed. And the knock on effect of having businesses closing and never starting up again. It has been proven that in most cases the school building projects were a big success with only a few cases where the money was misspent.
    The Librarian
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:22pm
    Part of the problem is that to win government in Australia your policies need to be somewhere in the middle. That is why LNP every time they work out a policy will lose them votes they change it and move their policy to the left. They often have adopted Labor's policies on a particular issue. Labor has had to back a similar approach to the LNP to try to push them out of the centre on quite a few policies. Fairly obviously they are all just trying to get votes and get in power. So the big question is who can we trust to actually implement what they claim they will and retain the spirit of their policies while in government. LNP has recently been more prone to reversing major policies and doing the opposite hardly surprising given they have been in government. Not sure that Labor won't change some of their policies also if they get in. The only possible way of dealing with this problem is to minimise any majority in the House of Reps and vote a lot of Independents and minor parties into the Senate to make sure any legislation is looked at properly
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:53pm
    The number one policy of the LNP is the LIE policy. That one always runs.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:33pm
    "LNP has recently been more prone to reversing major policies"

    You forgot to add they fed a few old mates handsomely to come up with a rubber stamp at a Commission of Idiots....... just to make it look kosher...

    Anyone else sick of this kind of handout after handout for live for old party mates and just mates?

    Public purse must be endless...... plenty more where that came from! FFS!!!

    23rd Jun 2016
    12:26pm
    I voted this morning and didn't put a number in ANY of the major party's (disaster's) boxes, as not ONE of them is worth their salt!
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:54pm
    Good on you Eddie. Thought you might have put Labor down the list but given the party a run to hold out the Turnbull monstrosity. Nevertheless, well done.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:34pm
    Spot on, Eddie - not one you would put your hand in the fire for.... I'm with you 100%....
    Christine
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:29pm
    My problem is that I cannot align with any party. Both lie and both a lying about medicare. I always make up my own mind and so am always failed by whichever party I vote for. I simply cannot toe a party line. And all major parties are based on win/lose. Non can rise above their parochialism to identify win/win solutions. However, there is a new development for this election that I find intriguing and would ask anyone who does care to investigate. I will put links to two different parties and another link to an explanation of the system here for anyone who is interested in investigating direct democracy and what it means.
    Christine
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:30pm
    The Flux Party
    https://voteflux.org/
    Christine
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:31pm
    Online Direct Democracy
    http://www.onlinedirectdemocracy.org/
    Christine
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    The theory behind liquid democracy. Run a search to find out more.
    https://medium.com/@DomSchiener/liquid-democracy-true-democracy-for-the-21st-century-7c66f5e53b6f#.30uowiooe
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    So vote for an INdependent. Preferably one who has a track record. Only thing about some of the new parties is that some are fronts for the LNP. Need to be careful.
    Kaye Fallick
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:01pm
    Would it be fair to summarise that most people posting here are so disenchanted they are inclined to vote Independent?
    KSS
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:22pm
    No!

    Mick possibly. But as for the rest? Disenchanted yes, but ultimately change their vote? We'll find out on the days after the election.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:30pm
    I have made my position clear on that one Kaye. Readers need to have a look at the following to see who they can vote for in their electorates:

    https://www.getup.org.au/community/election-2016-what-s-the-plan

    Then click your electorate on the right and bingo!

    Just a word of warning. There are a number of so called Independents who are little more than ring ins funnelling votes to the Liberal Party. People need to google some of these parties/people if they are unsure to make sure they are not being scammed.
    In case anybody is unclear my suggestion is to go for Independents whose name we are all familiar with as these people have already done us proud.
    Sorry to sound like electioneering. I do hold democracy close to my heart ans want to see some semblance of real government return to our country before it is totally ruined.
    MITZY
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:54pm
    HI Kaye:
    My electorate in the past 14 years has been Eden-Monaro (bellwether)
    redistribution to Gilmore, redistribution back to Eden-Monaro and now the current redistribution to Gilmore again.
    There are four candidates in Gilmore and not one of them is Independent ( what a shame). I can't remember the fourth party at this moment but the other three are Coalition, Labor and Christian Democrats. What a dilemma I am in.
    However, my old Eden-Monaro has a record number of candidates, namely 9, and there are three Independents among the three main event parties of Coalition, Labor and Greens.
    Oh I would love to be voting in Eden-Monaro instead of Gilmore. I feel I've been done an injustice. I will be looking at the results on 2nd July with great interest.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:24pm
    I am certainly not voting independent we have a fool independent in my seat of Indi she is a nohoper cost the local hospital heaps that would have received in Grants we are aiming to get her out.
    DC
    23rd Jun 2016
    2:26pm
    NO to independents as a first choice! We surely have had enough of one issue representatives. Disenchanted yes.
    Can somebody please have a Doctor on standby for 'Mick', just in case HIS most hated, current Government, does get over the line on July 2. I fear he is likely to have a stroke or heart attack.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:01pm
    No to Independents? So Lambie, Lazarus, etc. have not done us all proud by blocking the Abbott government attacks on the working class? Even Ricky Muir shaped up well.
    I can always pick the trolls when they avoid the truth and go for the propaganda and BS.
    robbo and DC....congratulations.
    Star Trekker
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:05pm
    robbo, I hope Sophie doesn't get back in. I can't stand the woman.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:49pm
    I'm with you Star Trekker but the independent is as bad at least with Sophie we may get something for the area Mc Gowan has done nothing.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:51pm
    If you vote for anyone other than the Coalition it will be a wasted vote as they will be back in come July 2.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:05pm
    I think your right Old Geezer I expect Shorten will lose a lot of seats in Victoria the incompetent Labour State Government is trying to unionise the CFA which appears to be a disaster we have almost vigilante situation crime is out of control you now need a weapon in your car as Andrews won't let the Coppers chase anyone or even work on the beat and there are many many other problems all brought about by incompetent Labour fools.

    Any one who votes Labour in Victoria is a dickhead because remember where Billy boy resides in bloody Victoria.
    Star Trekker
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:18pm
    True robbo but with Sophie it was all ME, ME, ME.
    All she wanted was a bigger cut of the govt. pie. She took credit for things she had no involvement in and she looks down on all the ordinary people.

    I have no choice in who gets in as long it is not Sophie or McGowan.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:21pm
    Another message from your sponsor Geezer?
    Kaye Fallick
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:23pm
    Wow - this is a robust debate - I agree - we won't know anything until the polls close - and then maybe not for a few days or a week if it is as close as is being predicted.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:55pm
    We will know within a couple of hours that the coalition has been returned. You only have to look at the betting odds to work that out.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:27pm
    You sound like your side of politics has already counted the votes Geezer. Hope that I am wrong. Last time I heard the election was still over a week away.
    I often say one has to be careful one does not get what one wishes for. Don't forget to duck Kaye......and welcome to the firefight.

    Drew: we need the smilie icons mate!
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:55pm
    My position has long been clear - I will not vote for Liberal/Nationals, Labor or Greens - for different reasons each one. My main gripe is that each is bound by an ideology and dedication to outcomes with which I cannot, in all conscience, agree.

    I will be voting independent, and in the Senate for my son-in-law's Animal Justice Party will be one of my choices at the top.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:57pm
    **Smileys required**

    ?
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:11pm
    :-) :-) :-) :-)
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:42pm
    Big choice here ?? :-( Barnaby Rubble or Windsor Knot ??? :-(
    MICK
    24th Jun 2016
    8:54am
    It's already clear that many people will be registering a protest vote parti. I hope that Joyce is shown the door, especially given that he has stood by whilst rural and continues to be sold off to the Chinese government. 11% is now gone. Are we in Australia or what?
    particolor
    25th Jun 2016
    3:00pm
    *&^$#^% #$()@!& *^%$# #*&^%@!) ^%$*&# < Translation... Shut Up & Eat Your Rice !! :-) :-)
    Old Geezer
    25th Jun 2016
    3:26pm
    Thanks to Brexit the Coalition now has a better chance of winning the election.
    ex PS
    29th Jun 2016
    4:02am
    YES, I am in England currently but made sure that I voted below the line and put LNP and ALP last and second last before I left.
    Old Geezer, most of the English people I have met including some who voted to leave are in shock now that they have what they wanted they are realising that they have been conned, much like the Australian voters will feel if one of the so called's gets into power.
    jamesmn
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:32pm
    the nbn is a complete shambles and who was in charge of the nbn turnball and he wants you to trust him running the country joke Joyce he could not run a kids cookie stall then he and his idiot treasurer blantley lie straight to everyone about the black hole another joke Joyce all these 2 idiots care about are their mates in high places so as they can look after them with what tax they pay any wonder they don't want a royal commission into banks also because it will affect these 2 clowns.

    23rd Jun 2016
    2:41pm
    Q: "How do you brain-wash a politician?"



    A: "Give him/her an enema".
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:02pm
    Funny.
    jeffr
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:19pm
    Impossible....yet to find a politician with a brain to wash.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:22pm
    Yeah...but Eddie has discovered where they hide them.
    Franky
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:02pm
    I plan to vote informal at this election, the only way I can show my dissatisfaction with Australian politics. Neither party has real vision nor the power to change what really matters, as they are both beholden to the donours - the big companies, and the world banking cartel. Ever wondered when they talk about our involvement in America's wars there is always bi-partisan support, the same on the refugee question and defence spending. Very little will change whoever wins this election and I am bored....
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:26pm
    So how does that help anyone in the country. Consider voting for an Independent. That changes the power arrangements and both sides are working overtime to try and stop that from happening. If nothing else you send a message.
    An informal vote just says you are either illiterate or apathetic and that does nothing to change a bad system.
    If you need any suggestions I'd say vote 1 for the Xenophon Party if it shows in your state's senate paper and thereafter all Independents. That'll work.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:51pm
    Hey Franky a lot of Labour voters vote informal anyway as they can"t fill out the form properly because there numbnuts
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:34pm
    Good idea Mick vote for an independent and cross everyone else off your ballot paper.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:29pm
    robbo: fix your spelling or else apply your slag to yourself.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:33pm
    You crack me up.
    I expect only the rusted ons will have trouble filling out the ballot paper correctly Geezer But fear not. The electoral Commission is going to accept a whole pile of informals this election. Probably mostly LNP voters who sign their names at the end of the ballot paper......but they will have to spell their names correctly. That'll be interesting.
    Actually if any voters took your advice the ballot would still count. Go work.
    Old Man
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:01pm
    How rude you are MICK, not content with name calling you have now stooped so low that you are challenging people with legitimate comments but are not as well read as some others. BTW here is your post of 8.15 on this blog.

    Old Man: the normal dishonest spiel. The CURRETN GOVERNMENT

    I could point out that you have trouble spelling, putting a sentence together and lacking in computer skills but I am above that.
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:09pm
    Up Scope !! :-)
    MICK
    24th Jun 2016
    8:56am
    Crossing everybody else off your voting paper is a legitimate comment Old Nitwit? Keep your political correctness to yourself as I am not playing.
    Franky
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:04pm
    I watched the Keating interviews recently with Kerry O'Brien - now here was a politician who had vision!
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:25pm
    Yeah, TELEvision.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:27pm
    Keating had a brain not found in the wrong place. If Keating were still the leader of Labor this government would have been torn to shreds...as it deserved to be.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:38pm
    Keating also oversaw the introduction of Rights-removing legislation (read my treatise on the difference between legislation, law and Law, and which also includes regulation under the Rule of Law). I hold zero brief for the man. As a guttersnipe in Parliament he could hand it out to them - but as a political LEADER - he fell at the first hurdle...

    We need to go a long way back to set right all the evils that have been set in train through legislation here.
    Bow Maker
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:18pm
    Nine days and it will all be over and then we can get on with other things.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:28pm
    A wonderful point not lost on me. I cannot wait to get back to 'life' after this crap is all over. Sick of it.
    It will be an interesting world after July 2.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:42pm
    Yes, God help us all.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    3:53pm
    I can't wait until July 2 too so we can resume our lives under the Coalition government. It will be awesome to have them in both houses for a change.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:20pm
    Spoken like the troll you are Geezer. That is EXACTLY what Bronny always says.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:23pm
    Where is Bronny? Any sense headed north for the winter in the luxury caravan.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:35pm
    Perhaps we can talk about Mr Trump he could be of interest after the aussie election
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:04pm
    Even his own Party is trying to stop him from running. Post election in Oz will be very very interesting. No matter who wins unlikely Malcolm the Terrible will have open slather....unless the senate becomes his rubber stamp. Don't think that is happening!
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    7:35pm
    Malcolm the Terrible win have open slather and a good thing to as we will get that debt under control without the hindrance of the Senate and get Australia moving again. Been stagnating way far too long.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:38pm
    The LNP ran up another $100 billion in new debt. So that is your take on getting the debt under control? Now I know why the mad monk removed the debt ceiling.
    Go back to school Geezer and get your English checked out. Might qualify for Bulk Billing.
    The only reason AUstralia has been stagnant is THE LIBERAL PARTY: brought the nation to its knees with the Abbott opposition and continued to slash and burn under Turnbull/Morrison. This is what your boss calls sound economic management. And then there is tax cuts for the wealthy..........coming if current government returned.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:39pm
    Bronny's on the Last Chopper Out Of Sydney...
    MICK
    24th Jun 2016
    8:57am
    Not until after the election. Needed at Liberal Party HQ until then.
    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    8:42am
    Got away from all this political nonsense until after July 2. Looking forward to coming back to a now certain LNP re-elected government. Trading chopper in on a motorhome as the Toyboy wanted to drive one instead. Left housekeeper at home to look after the estate and make sure the new handyman does his chores.

    Wasn't the Brexit a great result for Australia. If new handyman works out a trip to Britain is on the cards with that now great exchange rate. Maybe a cruise in high summer.
    Hairy
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:03pm
    They both lie and have in the past the greens are frigin mental ALA or one nation to save this country from going down the drain like uk.if you vote same old way things will never change.they will pensioner bash you into oblivion
    Newman
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:41pm
    We old fogies don't have much scientific knowledge do we? Or much sense. Climate Change is the Most Impotrtant issue facing humanity. The evidence is IN folks. All the other issues don't matter.WHEN the world gets warmer, as it already is, the climatic changes will make every other issue we worry about: pensions , superannuation, health services, transport, education irrelevant!. There will be MASS movements of people from affected areas like Africa, Bangladesh, The Pacific, fights over water access - it will be chaos. The migration we see now as the result of conflicts in the MIDDLE EAST and AFRICA will seem like orderly, planned exits. Get real people. Your belief does not stack up against the facts.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:43pm
    It is heartening reading this from an older Australia.
    You are on the money. In truth the costs involved due to climate change will dwarf all other catastrophes and mismanagement issues which exist in the world. The cost will be in the hundreds of TRILLIONS, not billions.
    At that time the LNP prostitute politicians who took us to this place as well as their coal owners will have crawled back under their rocks lest the public hunt them down for their crimes against humanity.
    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    8:47am
    The world is actually going towairds another ice age so I'm not concerned about climate change at all. If anything what man does will kept our earth warmer as we head towards this next ice age. I just wish people would wake up to the truth no believe the nonsense of the wealthy who just want another way to make money.
    phantom
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:45pm
    People have short memories. We nearly went broke under Labor. We will end up like Greece if we don't stop putting our hands out. We all have to "suck it up". If it was your household would you run it like this. That's All.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:54pm
    Where do you get your weird notions from, Phantom? We didn't ''nearly go broke'' under Labor. We survived the GFC in better shape than any other country. We are going broke fast under the current inept government. The debt has skyrocketed since they came to power, despite them slashing the services Australians need. But the rich are prospering and continuing to stash their billions in Panama and the Caymans. That's what you are voting for, mate! More billions stashed in tax havens while our standard of living collapses.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    7:40pm
    Agree phantom. Unless we reign in that debt and the welfare bill were are headed the way that Greece has gone. Way too many people on welfare and not enough taxpayers to support them.

    Labor panicked during the GFC and thought they could spend their way out of trouble. All it did was make some people very rich as they way over the top for what they got for their borrowed dollars. They then left time bombs for the Coalition to reign but thanks to a hostile Senate they were unable to do so.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:47pm
    Hang on phantom. We never went broke. That was an Abbott/Hockey lie which was shown to be just that.
    I would be happy to suck it up as you say....IF THE BIG END OF TOWN DID LIKEWISE. We'll have none of the that for the beautiful people though will we!

    Labor did what it took Geezer. Please tell me which of your extended family lost their jobs during the GFC? Of course your side of politics would have sacked 'em all. The standard response from the rich man's Party.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:47pm
    My extended family are builders Mick who built school halls during the GFC and install pink batts on the weekends.

    I had to tighten my belt as bit more as a self funded retiree but my nice family helped out.
    MICK
    24th Jun 2016
    9:01am
    My point exactly. Whilst spending money like confetti is never good from a government Labor kept workers off the scrapheap the rest of the world had. This is what the rusted on LNP disciples fail to mention as they try to make the case for irresponsible government. My take is that the LNP, were it in power at that time, would have been happy to throw the nation out of work. Of course the rich would have gotten their money, as usual.
    ex PS
    29th Jun 2016
    4:09am
    Old Geezer were your extended family one of the incompetent builders who didn't do their jobs properly, got people killed or maybe caused their house to burn down and then blamed the government for their ineptitude?
    Happy Jack
    23rd Jun 2016
    7:52pm
    It ain't rocket science- if you don't want to be taken for a ride don't vote for the LIEberal party. Simple as that.
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:35pm
    Correct ! :-(
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:48pm
    I won't be.
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:38pm
    Their Black Hole is that DEEP Now that if you jumped in it, you could sing all verses of the National Anthem before you Hit the Bottom !! :-(
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:49pm
    Sounds like Nostradamus prediction of some sort.
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:55pm
    Didn't he sat there was Truth in Lying ? :-)
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:39pm
    I care for the outcome of the election, and genuinely fear any more rampant government by ideology as we've been forced to suffer now for nearly forty years. NEITHER of the two big parties are exempt from this - Labor is addicted to some mythical proportional representation insanity, and the Liberals are trapped in the backward economic non-theories and inane utterances of Thatcher and Reagan... BOTH see our cash pot through taxation as endless and infinitely open to adjustment at their whim, so they can impose on us their particular ideology.

    What I don't care about one whit is the campaign promises and bulldust laid down thick to try to tell us that the only way is 'their' way of two parties or the highway, and I fervently wish for both the major parties to be reduced to a minority and a decent government come in that will actually work for the common people for a change.
    MICK
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:50pm
    That's why I know you will be voting for Independents. I intend to end the game and if enough people do likewise we will.
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:44pm
    I'm glad my beautiful daughter had the sense to marry a fine man who cares about issues, and who is standing for the Senate in the Animal Justice Party.

    I've already whispered that a broader base is required to cover all the relevant issues of today and tomorrow... a tomorrow in which I hope their children will not be compelled to live under the tyranny of the fear of poverty that I, and their grandmother, sought to reserve them from.

    They are getting my vote here along with a few others. I know Peter Consandine from the Republicans personally and they are getting my Senate vote as well.
    Old Geezer
    24th Jun 2016
    2:25pm
    The farmers can look after their own animals without the likes of the Animal Injustice Party interfering. No wonder people get shot.

    If a farmer doesn't look after his animals how can he expect the animals to look after him. I'm still laughing at the young girl who took on Aldi as she decided hens had feelings and that caged eggs were cruel.

    From what I read about the Animal Injustice Party I have my doubts if they have ever had any experience of running a successful farm.
    particolor
    24th Jun 2016
    2:42pm
    nope !! Just Experts at Whinging !! :-( You cant get an Egg here ?? :-(
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    3:44pm
    At least they have principles....
    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    8:34am
    Agree the farmers have principles and lots of common sense. Same can't be said for the Animal Injustice Party.
    probins01
    23rd Jun 2016
    8:56pm
    Our only hope to change the status quo of 'tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber' on the political roundabout, is to use Turnbull's cynical Senate voting ploy against the 3 major parties. In the Lower House, number all boxes on the paper, but place the LNP, Labor and Greens LAST. In the Senate, number 6 boxes above the line and exclude the LNP, Labor and Greens completely, or better still, number 12 boxes of your choice below the line, excluding the LNP, Labor and Greens completely!
    This may lead to a hung parliament, but it would force a reduced quota of either LNP or Labor, to work with a Lower House cross-bench of diverse representatives, rather than just the Greens, and it would give the Senate some true democratic diversity to facilitate proper debate with very few party lines to be adhered to. Yes, it can work. It's called democracy!
    Seriously folks, have you seen a 'normal' legislative reading / debate session in parliament? You could swing 100 cats in the chamber! There's almost nobody listening to the debates. The Speaker rings the Division Bell, and all pollies come running in and vote along party lines! Then they leave again while the next bill is 'debated'. They take us for complete and utter fools!
    particolor
    23rd Jun 2016
    9:07pm
    Exactly ! :-(
    TREBOR
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:45pm
    Nice work, if you can get it....................... If they are not there for the debate, they should not be allowed to vote on it.
    Blossom
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:47pm
    There is no guarantee that any party is honest with its promises and won't back down when they see the current "balance" of treasury.
    Look at the promises made re GST.
    PlanB
    24th Jun 2016
    6:54am
    Lets also NOT forget that Labor got us out of very deep doo doo in the GFC
    Cautious
    24th Jun 2016
    7:58am
    PlanB it wasn't Labor that got us out of the Doo Doo. I am Labor and I admit it was our resources and our relationship with the Chinese who were buying then. Our (Labor) incentives were merely designed to keep people's belief going that something was being done. Just being honest.
    MICK
    24th Jun 2016
    9:04am
    They are the facts. The lies about school halls and pink batts are from the malicious LNP trying to turn this around into something bad because a (very) few projects did not go right. None ever do no matter which side of politics handles them but in the main both worked well and provided genuine outcomes for the nation, something giving the rich more money never does.
    Nan
    24th Jun 2016
    7:29am
    It would appear that the general consensus of opinion came from people who are selfishly thinking about themselves and only thinking about money. What of our children's and grandchildren's futures,let alone the environment. We have probably been the most advantaged generation that has ever been.
    PlanB
    24th Jun 2016
    7:51am
    What are any of the pollies doing about wrecking the planet and also here is Aussie with the Fracking and the mining -- they are wrecking the water table and also making the water and the air poison, I also note that when these creeps leave politics they then go and work for the mines or the Fracking -- ie John Anderon etc etc etc
    MICK
    24th Jun 2016
    9:08am
    People never change Nan. Always about 'me'. That's why we people often vote one way or another, depending on the handout of the day.
    TREBOR
    24th Jun 2016
    11:05am
    Oh - and I seriously doubt we need any more 'ministers' - even for aging... all they are is mouthpieces for the public servants who actually do the work, and for the added party line, mix with spin and bake whole for an adoring public......

    Not worth the extra money they are handed for being an echo chamber.
    tactful
    24th Jun 2016
    8:35pm
    Has anyone actually heard true policies coming out of a Labor candidates mouth? I haven't only the same old tune being churned out again - hospital, education and Medicare. For those with short memories, it is the same message they had at the last election.
    As much as some hate Turnbull, the alternative Shorten is more frightening, I do not want my country run like a bloody Union, I do not want more unrestrained spending, reintroduction of Carbon Tax and you can back it in they will find another way of taxing us more.
    To me we need stability, restraint and positive leadership, as much as I do not like Turnbull
    he is the far better choice.
    I cannot abide union bosses with track records that are shady to say the least holding the position of PM, they are simply not fit to do so.
    You may not agree, that is your right, remember it is my right to hold this opinion.
    Old Geezer
    25th Jun 2016
    3:35pm
    Agree Shorten is a union man through and through so how else would he run the country?

    After Brexit we need stability and the coalition has the best chance of giving us that stability.

    I am also concerned with the shorten economics. Let's start with the big Medicare lie. Those late night phone calls to frighten older Australians are just below the belt as far as I am concerned. Yes I got one so they do exist. Let face it hospitals are a lucky dip unless you have private insurance as you don't get a choice who operates on you. With both health and education it is not enough to throw money at them to fix them. They are both very inefficient and more money will only make these inefficiencies worse. The last thing you need in hospital is people lining up outside your room in a queue to see you.
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    8:59pm
    Old Geezer, I dropped out of private health because I got FAR FAR FAR better treatment in public hospitals at no cost, while private treatments cost me countless thousands one top of what the fund paid and the treatment quality was worse than appalling.

    As for the Medicare lie, the LNP has a history of dismantling public health. Their opposition to it is well documented and proven. As is their record for lying.

    They said 'no changes to pensions' too, and ''no cuts to health or education''. Remember? Well, today, hundreds of thousands of part pensioners are worried about how long their hard-won savings will last when they have to drain them to top up incomes of HALF what aged pensioners receive. And then there's the coming GST hike. And what's it all for? To give billion dollar companies a tax cut so we can gift $11 billion to the American IRS. Yep. Stability! That's what we want. Stability that our battlers will suffer poverty while the billion dollar corporations and the filthy rich stash their cash in Panama and the Caymans and we hand bucket loads of cash to the IRS.

    Thanks a lot. Old Geezer. I'll opt for chaos. I reckon it couldn't possibly be any worse than the ''stability'' you rave about.
    Gigi
    25th Jun 2016
    10:13am
    There are NO Statesmen amongst our politicians & indeed world wide! One just has to accept the lesser of two evils & just hope that the Greens don't get control of the Senate again. We decide on a political party to run the country for better or for worse let them get on with it & don't put road blocks in the way or make it impossible to govern appropriately. We can always vote them out!!
    Mar
    25th Jun 2016
    12:50pm
    I'm with Gigi. Worst scenario would be a hung parliament. Very little difference between both parties and both men. There are no Statesmen involved.Whoever gets in let them get on with the job or we will end up like the UK. Now the DK (divided kingdom) with a hard road ahead. No-one can please all of the people all of the time. That's a fact of life !
    Old Geezer
    25th Jun 2016
    3:27pm
    There will be no hung parliament. Thanks to Brexit the Coalition will now win comfortably.
    particolor
    25th Jun 2016
    4:54pm
    We need an LNPEXIT !! :-) :-)
    Old Geezer
    25th Jun 2016
    6:13pm
    No LABexit as they are already gone!
    particolor
    25th Jun 2016
    6:54pm
    And a GREXIT :-)
    Bonny
    26th Jun 2016
    8:32am
    Agree all positive news for thr LNP.
    particolor
    26th Jun 2016
    1:10pm
    FLW ! :-)
    VicCherikoff
    26th Jun 2016
    3:08pm
    Let's also note that Politicians have arranged to pay themselves even after they leave office. It costs working Australians tens of millions to keep paying the people who landed us in this economic mess even after they are no longer in Parliament. I know that I'd love to have my past employer paying me a pension plus a few expenses (ex-PMs get staff!!!).
    particolor
    26th Jun 2016
    4:07pm
    You've got the wrong Vowel in staff :-)
    Not Senile Yet!
    26th Jun 2016
    8:34pm
    All you left & Right Whingers and true believers are so brain washed .....and it's hilarious to read your views!!!
    You sound like a Muslim Convert singing the praises of the Holy Gorangi....lol
    True Believer's have switched their brain off in favour of Belief!!!
    What an absolute bunch of wankers ....to believe that any of the Party Puppets will KEEEP ANY of their election promises......especially after the last few elections!!!!
    Why would any Sane Person want a Party Puppet (Yes Sir three bags full Sir!) representing them in Parliament???
    What an absolute Joke all the Parties are!!!! It is all about them not you!!!!
    Wakey ......Wakey......hands off......whatever you have got them on!!!!
    Vote Independent.....at least they have not sold out YET!!!!
    Fill both houses with them......and send the Party Puppets a message at the same time!!!
    Soooooo Siiiicccckk of allll yooouuurrr LIES!!!! Bug.......Offff!!!!
    That is the only thing they all have in common......Party Puppets that is.....they are now scared that the Public will do just that....Vote en masse against them and FOR the Independants!!!!
    Hope all those swingers do not get sucked in and believe either Party!!!!
    Will smile if a whole bunch of Independants get up!!!!
    The Party Puppets do NOT DESERVE your Vote....so do not give it to them!!!
    particolor
    26th Jun 2016
    10:00pm
    Yes you'd think after the last 10 years or so they'd wake up to themselves ! Voting for what Daddy and Mummy voted for doesn't work any more ! :-( Get rid of the lot of them !! Britain sent an Example ! Being ruled by a Foreign Power aint much fun !! :-(
    Nor is being told how many Ratbags is your Quota !! :-( :-(
    Radish
    27th Jun 2016
    4:19pm
    I make up my own mind who I vote for and I dont tell others how to vote either...it is up to them.
    Jurassicgeek
    27th Jun 2016
    10:14am
    they are all liars... the big 3 and xenephon got into bed together...must have been exciting.. so I wont vote for any of these parties...all minors...
    jamesmn
    27th Jun 2016
    4:13pm
    don't blame labor for lying on medicare look at the facts Howard lied about children overboard abbot lied on so many things with his idiot crendlin it was NOT FUNNY TURNBALL LIED ABOUT THE NBN ROLL-OUT AND HAS BEEN LYING EVER SINCE HIS HEALTH MINISTER HAS BEEN TRYING TO CUT EVERYTHING TO PENSIONERS INC HOSPITALS MEDICARE SCHOOLS THEY EVEN WANTED THE GP'S TO COLLECT A TAX IF YOU WENT TO THE DOCTORS PLUS SHE HAS ALREADY CUT REBATES TO MEDICINES ON THE PBS LIST SHE IS ASA SHIFTY AS BARNABY /TURNBALL AND THIS CLOWN OF A TREASURER THEN IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET IT RIGHT THE TURNBALL GOVERNMENT IS IN CARETAKER MODE WHICH MEANS THEY CANNOT MAKE DECISIONS YET THIS IDIOT OF A HEALTH MINISTER PLEDGES MONEY TO NEIL DANA HER FOR THE WATER SLIDE AT THE MCG WHEN THEY WILL NEVER SEE THE MONEY AND SHE WAS NOT LEGALLY ABLE TO PROMISE THE MONEY WHILE THE GOVT IS IN CARETAKER MODE THIS GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN TAKING AWAY AND MAKING CUTS BEFORE THE ELECTION WAS ANNOUNCED THEY TURNBALL WOULD PRIVATIZE MEDICARE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TURNBALLS TREASURER WAS THROWING AROUND WHEN HE BECAME TREASURER DON'T HAVE A SHORT MEMORY TURNBALL ONLY CARES ABOUT HIS MATES AND LOOKING AFTER THEM HE COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT ORDINARY AUSTRALIANS HE WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO BUY OR KNOW WHAT PRICE A LOAF OF BREAD WAS TURNBALL CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED WITH HIS PROMISES THEY ARE ALL BULLSHIT.
    particolor
    27th Jun 2016
    4:25pm
    YEP !!
    SKRAPI
    27th Jun 2016
    9:44pm
    IN 98 I think it was Pauline Hanson favoured a 1% in the $ tax on all transactions . How easy & cheap that would B 4 us ordinary folk . But the big Cos. of course wouldn't cop a bar of that It would mean that they would pay much more tax & rightly so . So she had to B taken off the scene .
    Old Geezer
    29th Jun 2016
    11:15am
    A transaction tax make it very expensive to move money around and this stifles investment.

    A simple transaction like a company putting money into super for their employees could have as many as 5 to 10 lots of transaction tax levied before it is invested. Another 10% off the value of super just to get it invested is just stupid.

    That is why a transaction tax will never work.
    Genuine response
    28th Jun 2016
    12:12pm
    You all sound just like both parties. Whichever way you vote it won't matter. Only those who are well off will reel in the wealth. Australia's under siege of going under because insight was lost in how the economy of this country will be reproduced, and now all those baby boomers who worked hard to provide for the future years of their offspring and their retirement, just wasted time accumulating their wealth. This was a proud country once with a stable economy but now it has no resources that can provide its people monetary values.
    Bartcb, Facts so right, but then in the end what happened.
    Rainey, so right about all the offshore assets, what's done about that. Nothing.
    Bonney, yes someone who is realistic about what's happening to Climate change. So much wasted time and money trying to change the inevitable.
    Kinkakuji, the Queen does nothing for this country but holidays on our expense. Wake up, we don't need the Queen, weak aren't even ruled by her.
    As I said, whoever you vote for its your decision. The end result is what we get.
    particolor
    28th Jun 2016
    3:07pm
    I'll add to that.... How Low can Lib Stooges Go !! :-(
    4 In a row on talk Back Radio this Morning . Apart from the 2 tarts Gossiping with Garbage on The TV ! Saying Windsor was Unfaithful !
    The first Stooge came in with Windsor was a Bully at School ! WHAT ?
    and then a Clown with, the Liberal Government gives Pensioners $60 off their Cab Fare ! CRAP ? If I get Cab Tickets I get about a Fiver off the fare :-( And they are still Phoning in telling everyone where the Sun REALLY SHINES FROM !! I've heard enough !! How much is that Costing ?? :-( They must think People are Stupid Dopes and will Swallow anything :-( :-( The Announcer knew they were Fakes, but was too polite to Cut Them Off !! :-)

    28th Jun 2016
    9:08pm
    I've been studying the policies of the Pirate Party. Never thought I'd give a party with a name like that a second glance, but they've actually got it right in terms of policy. Now if one or the other of the majors took a leaf out of their book, I'd support them. We might actually have a hope of returning the nation to health. A very good chance, actually!
    Old Geezer
    29th Jun 2016
    11:10am
    Private party listed under Rrrrrrrrrrrrr.
    PIXAPD
    29th Jun 2016
    1:08pm
    I do NOT vote...no Christian should
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    11:35pm
    What kind of christian are you ??? let us know please
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    9:12pm
    We still need a lot to learn about elections and political issues ...we still putting an "X" on a piece of paper what a waste and a manual count is a joke and open to fraud

    Take a sample of the just concluded elections in Peru an undeveloped country and poor in comparison to Australia read about it here not perfect but E-Vote

    http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-electronic-voting-used-for-first-time-in-peruvian-elections-100323

    Are a modern country ???? or still in the 1800's

    Look our internet ... the slowest in the world including the new NBN ... the Lucky country ???? Our kids will never own a home they will rent for ever
    particolor
    29th Jun 2016
    10:29pm
    Its that slow here it took me an Hour and a Half to answer you !!:-(
    Aussie
    29th Jun 2016
    11:45pm
    The average speed in any Asian country is as follows:
    Ping = 20MBPS (Megabytes per Second) - (Megabyte = 1 Mill characters)
    Download = About 10 to 12 MBPS
    Upload = 2 and 2.5 MBPS

    That is fast
    Try your speed with This http://www.speedtest.net/

    Also TV the average number of channels is about 80 and some countries 100+
    Where I am you only pay for the Box = about $25 and you get over 90 channels and no monthly pay at all (All free Digital)

    But with us we feed Telstra, Optus, Vodafone and all the wholesalers.

    Total rip off in Australia and now with the new NBN will be even more money
    particolor
    30th Jun 2016
    8:02pm
    I've checked them ALL out ! :-( And you cant win in this country !!
    ALL A Rip Off ! :-( :-(
    I don't know how a Pensioner is going to stay on Line now ?? Without going without some Food or something ?? :-( :-(
    I don't know about others here, but I'm nearly at the End of My Tether !! :-( This is NOT A WHINGE BUT FACT !!
    Poling day coming up but no INTERNET PARTY ?? :-) :-)
    Aussie
    1st Jul 2016
    12:20am
    Hey particolor I just found a free hosting site if interested I will send you the site in USA and a branch in UK is free unless you upgrade to the $5 x month to get some extras.

    Not sure your level of computer knowledge but a hosting site is fun you can make up your own website and sell things I am rebuilding my old site and I will start selling stuff again to make some extra bits of money over the internet again

    I still have my work bonus active so I can earn some and my pension is not affected.

    Let me know if interested
    Aussie
    1st Jul 2016
    12:24am
    Yes mate we are getting rip off one answer is to go to a free site cafe or area near where you live and check as you go until you find a free access internet.
    I found a cafe near where I use to live with free internet and I stay there for hours on 1 cup and maybe some toasts they do not mind at all as long as they have someone on the shop at all times looks good for business even if you only have 1 cup no worries for them.
    particolor
    1st Jul 2016
    12:32am
    Its 12.30 am here I'll look at this again in the Morning. YAWN ZZzzz SNORE !! ZZzzz :-)
    john
    5th Jul 2016
    11:39am
    Most people want to and are prepared to pay a bit more tax for better services, a generalisation yes but over all pretty true. Labors leader also was not voted in by his ALP membership , Albanese was! The factions put Bill in. Bill has made deals for money with business , and worsened a situation for his union members in that business. Bill is not fit to be leader in my humble opinion. The Medicare scare campaign no one can be sure if Labor was being deceitful or not, but gut instinct tells me , especially with bulldust Bill, that Labor was lying through its teeth on that, It is a hoodwinking of the public, and who ever sent out texts about it all over Australia need to be jailed for a long time! I am glad some moderates are in the Senate thats our house of review and the last nine years shows we need someone to protect us from dills all round, in the lower house!
    particolor
    5th Jul 2016
    1:24pm
    Time will tell whether that was a Lie or not ! You cant just jail someone for something that may in "the Fullness of time" turn out to be the Truth !! :-)


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