Woolworths Metro cashless trial to expand in coming weeks

Stores are seeing fewer cash transactions and want to see even less.

The terminal for cashless payment

More Woolworths stores across Melbourne and Sydney will no longer be accepting cash as the supermarket giant expands its trial of cashless Metro stores.

Nine Metro stores, including those on Bourke and Elizabeth Streets in Melbourne, and North Sydney, Manly and York Street in Sydney will no longer accept notes or coins.

From today, the same goes for stores in Yarraville and Caulfield North in Melbourne and Roseberry in Sydney.

The trial aims to limit staff and customer interaction and will help CBD customers shop more efficiently.

While Woolworths is happy with the initial trial, its sentiments aren’t shared across the board, with some shoppers calling for a boycott of the chain.

Some Sydney shoppers who were unaware of the change had to travel to three different stores before finding one that would accept cash.

Some say it is discriminatory towards those who still use cash, such as older Australians, while others feel it’s an invasion of privacy, fearing the store will track and sell purchase data.

According to a Smart Company report, a Woolworths spokeswoman said the stores were already seeing far fewer cash transactions, but that customer feedback would be “closely monitored” during the trial.

“As more and more customers choose to pay with cards, we’re trialling all electronic payments in a small selection of Metro stores which currently see very few cash transactions,” she said, adding that the majority of customers welcomed the change.

“We understand cash remains an important payment option for many of our customers and it continues to be offered in all Woolworths supermarkets and the majority of our Metro stores.

“We will closely monitor the feedback from our customers during this trial.”

During the COVID-19 crisis, there has been an increased take-up of contactless payments, with many small businesses switching to card-only practices very early in the pandemic.

Coles and Woolworths and their subsidiaries have increased their upper limit for contactless payment to $200, to encourage shoppers to convert to more hygienic payment methods.

The limits was initially meant to last three months, but the Australian Payments Network (APN) is seeing industry support for an increased limit of $200 for all contactless payments.

“The increased limit is a pragmatic and important response to a changing environment,” said APN chief Andy White.

“Consumers are tending to buy more, less often.

“The new $200 contactless limit will mean fewer consumers need to touch the payment terminal.”

According to the Reserve Bank of Australia’s 2019 Consumer Payments Survey, cash payments fell to 27 per cent of payments in 2019, and from around 70 per cent in 2007.

Worldpay global e-commerce general manager Phil Pomford says cash was on its way out even before the pandemic and he estimates that by 2023, only five per cent of point of sale transactions will involve cash.

“With concerns around safety and hygiene in regard to the handling of cash, there’s no doubt that this trend has been accelerated,” said Mr Pomford.

“It’s no surprise to see major retailers like Woolworths making a concerted effort towards digital-first or entirely digital payment solutions. It’s simply a non-negotiable for retailers if they wish to remain competitive and continue to attract an increasingly digital-savvy customer.”

Until then, all Woolworths stores apart from the nine cashless Metro stores will accept cash payments; however, some stores will have fewer machines that accept cash.

How will you fare with cashless supermarkets? What are your biggest concerns with a cashless society?

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    BillW41
    12th Oct 2020
    10:42am
    Not that these stores are anywhere near me but, if the trend moves to Adelaide, I will be boycotting any stores involved. Viva Foodland!
    Joy Anne
    12th Oct 2020
    3:12pm
    Yes if this expands to Qld stores then I will boycott as well. Especially a lot of older people who have a budget to stick to. Take out cash and pay for groceries in cash.
    Designated Driver
    12th Oct 2020
    7:35pm
    One of the reasons they are doing this, is because cash machines are bigger & take up more room.
    They can process more customers by only having cashless machines in the check-out area.
    Tanker
    12th Oct 2020
    10:50am
    This makes a lot of sense especially given the new findings on how long the Covid virus "lives" on banknotes.
    diamond
    12th Oct 2020
    11:54am
    Do you have a link for the research on this Tanker?
    Franky
    12th Oct 2020
    12:10pm
    dirty money, ehh! Yuk, you've been brainwashed, that was fake news!
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    12:12pm
    Here you go diamond - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-28-days-australian-scientists/12752108

    It lasts longer on paper money than plastic money, so there's another reason to not go to the USA.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:11pm
    the report about the viris living for 28 days...you need to know that the test was done in the dark. the virus does not like sunlight....all you need to do is put your cash out in the sun and hope the magpies dont pinch it
    diamond
    12th Oct 2020
    2:46pm
    Thanks Tanker,
    but the CSIRO should know that our banknotes are made from polymer not paper and have been since 1996.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:09pm
    The Australian Mint and another organisation found that Bank notes were safe.

    As the SARS-Cov-2 virus cannot live on surfaces for more than about 2 weeks - except in very, very, special conditions.


    Funny how the articles says ATM's (assuming that includes eftpos - and not paywave), glass surfaces, etc, but only states it can survive on plastic for > 3days. While it specifies PAPER bank note for > 7 days.

    Is Mr Tanker a Banker/`1% or LNP bot?

    From that study it appears that glass, mobile phones and door handles are you most likely sources of contraction.
    54-11
    12th Oct 2020
    11:00am
    This is social engineering by big business, forcing their customers to fall into line with what gives the business the most profit. I'll resist as hard as I can.
    Sen.Cit.90
    12th Oct 2020
    11:07am
    54-11. Yes, well put, add your comment to mine
    ray @ Bondi
    12th Oct 2020
    11:23am
    yes there are many people who feel threatened by this move including my own Princess of Procrastination :)
    Franky
    12th Oct 2020
    12:11pm
    yes, agree! This is another reason, maximising profits.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:12pm
    Well if you dont agree write to your local Member of parliament...if you dont bother to follow through other than write in here your voice will not be heard.
    Aussiefrog
    12th Oct 2020
    2:49pm
    Yeah agree 100%
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:19pm
    Lets us also not forget the additional costs electronic transfers incur - I know my banking fee's and charges add up to hundreds per year. Which also includes the cost of being forced to have a bank account.

    People should also be aware that it is cheaper for banks to deal in electronic money than purchasing cash from the treasury. In other words there is greater profits for banks and large corporations if they force you to use electronic payments. Oh OI hear you say - the business usually pays for those fees - while the business may pay the banks those fees - but the cost of those fees is added to the goods and services you are procuring.

    People also need to be VERY AWARE, that banks have regularly closed peoples accounts down and refused to allow them to use or open bank accounts. We have also seen how Mastercard and Visa stopped payments from going to Wikileaks and number of small businesses in Australia. If this was to happen to an individual in a cashless society it is effectively a death sentence. If the bank(s) or government decide you do not have enough "social credit" - not a compliant citizen - they can then cut you from money, society and hence they can remove your ability to live. as there is no way to survive in our modern societies without money.
    Sen.Cit.90
    12th Oct 2020
    11:05am
    I am totally opposed to a cashless society. I normally use a debit card however I do want the option to use cash.
    Ted Wards
    12th Oct 2020
    11:06am
    Cash is still legal tender so whilst they can state their preference is for cashless payments, they cannot refuse to accept cash. Perhaps a legal person may need to remind them of this little inconvenient fact? At our community centre we prefer now cashless options due to COVID but legally we cannot refuse cash as it is still legal tender. We still have members who save their change up to attend classes, we never refuse. We even have several who claim they have no debit or credit cards, whilst we have no way of knowing how true this is or is not, we have no right to refuse cash.
    ray @ Bondi
    12th Oct 2020
    11:25am
    I believe big business will be telling the government to fix this inconvenient truth and do it quickly.
    Hillbillypete
    12th Oct 2020
    11:35am
    100% True, they cannot refuse cash!
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    12:15pm
    Sorry folks. They can refuse cash.

    For many decades now businesses have had the right to set rules on how they will accept payment. For example, you can't buy car with 5 cent pieces.

    You, of course, can refuse to shop there.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    1:35pm
    I think they are able to refuse cash so long as there is a notice visible to the shopper before point of sale.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:10pm
    I went to a cafe and they had a sign out front cards only. I did not go inside
    Rae
    12th Oct 2020
    2:13pm
    Puts Aldi our and my local bakery as both charge transaction taxes on the use of cards.
    Aussiefrog
    12th Oct 2020
    2:59pm
    It's quite easy to protest this move, fill up your trolley go to the cashier and if they refuse your cash just walk out and leave your full trolley there!
    Ted Wards
    12th Oct 2020
    3:53pm
    @ Winston, there are legal limits to how many coins you can present and each coin is different. Whilst coins and notes are legal tender we are able to use them. We all know this is about control though but if we dont support those stores then I guess they will have to change their attitudes.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:20pm
    Unfortunately Winston is correct.
    The LNP changed the laws so that businesses can refuse certain forms of "legal" tender like cash.

    The law needs to be changed back!
    Theo1943
    12th Oct 2020
    4:57pm
    coins are legal tender for payment of amounts which are limited as follows:

    not exceeding 20c if 1c and/or 2c coins are offered (these coins have been withdrawn from circulation, but are still legal tender);
    not exceeding $5 if any combination of 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c coins are offered;
    not exceeding 10 times the face value of the coin if $1 or $2 coins are offered.

    Certainly looks like the seller can refuse cash as well proving they have notified you in advance, e.g. a sign on the door.

    If a provider of goods or services specifies other means of payment prior to the contract, then there is usually no obligation for legal tender to be accepted as payment.
    Garyand
    12th Oct 2020
    5:02pm
    Cash may be legal tender, but according to the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA), notes and coins don’t have to be used in transactions. If a provider of goods or services specifies other means of payment prior to the contract, then there is usually no obligation for legal tender to be accepted as payment. (Road tolls and some parking come to mind).
    https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/legal/legal-tender/
    Greg
    12th Oct 2020
    7:51pm
    People saying cash MUST be accepted by businesses really need to read the legislation and learn .

    Cash does not have to be accepted by a business, they have every right to NOT accept cash payments as long as a sign is prominently displayed stating this fact. If you don't like it you don't shop there.

    Yes cash is legal tender, all that means is the Australian Dollar is the currency accepted in Australia, that is the "legal tender" but that does not mean it must be accepted.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    3:57pm
    Aussiefrog - if you leave your trolley make sure it's mostly frozen goods, more of an impact.
    diamond
    13th Oct 2020
    4:04pm
    Aussiefrog. Heard of someone this morning who wanted to pay for their shopping by cheque which they had done for years. They were refused so they left their trolley and walked out.
    Milly
    12th Oct 2020
    11:07am
    It will only work if they have a proper back-up plan that works, last week Coles system went down, they had no back-up system, and customers could not shop there it must have cost them big time. It seems the IT people today only work from one server, you need an A Server and a B server so that your system can stay working if your A Server goes down switch to B till your A Servers problem are sorted.
    Veritas
    12th Oct 2020
    11:15am
    A good back-up plan would be one where, if the system goes down while waiting with a trolley load of 'essential' items, you get to take them free of charge.
    ozjames70
    12th Oct 2020
    11:57am
    Coles couldn't even take cash.
    LornaH
    12th Oct 2020
    12:05pm
    Well, a lot of IT people are coming from overseas....
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    12:16pm
    LornaH - what does that have to do with anything?
    Ted Wards
    12th Oct 2020
    3:54pm
    Yes to say sorry they had triple flybuys...I took advantage of that little glitch. I was going to shop on Sunday but made it Saturday instead.
    Greg
    12th Oct 2020
    7:53pm
    Milly there is a backup system, businesses can allow a certain amount of goods to be sold "offline", been able to that for decades now. Coles had NO SYSTEM at all, it wasn't an EFTPOS issue, hence they couldn't take cash either.
    Tarlo
    12th Oct 2020
    11:12am
    Cash is still legal tender in Australia. I will avoid or walk out of any shop that tries to force me to pay with a card. Although sometimes I choose to use a credit card. I want that to be my choice.
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    12:17pm
    Sorry Tarlo. They can refuse cash.

    For many decades now businesses have had the right to set rules on how they will accept payment. For example, you can't buy car with 5 cent pieces.

    You, of course, can refuse to shop there.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:13pm
    I asked in my bank if they can refuse cash and was told Yes!
    Greg
    12th Oct 2020
    7:53pm
    WRONG, look up the laws regarding cash.
    johninmelb
    12th Oct 2020
    11:21am
    We discussed this in great detail just a few weeks ago. There is little point in just regurgitating what you said then. We know you don't want it. What is left to say? You are only preaching to the converted.

    Doesn't anyone have anything NEW to say??

    I don't care either way. Cashless makes my life easier, but then I know how to use it to my advantage. I guess that's the difference. I drew out $60 back in May, and it is still in my wallet. I have had no use for it.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:29pm
    Lets us also not forget the additional costs electronic transfers incur - I know my banking fee's and charges add up to hundreds per year. Which also includes the cost of being forced to have a bank account.

    People should also be aware that it is cheaper for banks to deal in electronic money than purchasing cash from the treasury. In other words there is greater profits for banks and large corporations if they force you to use electronic payments. Oh OI hear you say - the business usually pays for those fees - while the business may pay the banks those fees - but the cost of those fees is added to the goods and services you are procuring.

    People also need to be VERY AWARE, that banks have regularly closed peoples accounts down and refused to allow them to use or open bank accounts. We have also seen how Mastercard and Visa stopped payments from going to Wikileaks and number of small businesses in Australia. If this was to happen to an individual in a cashless society it is effectively a death sentence. If the bank(s) or government decide you do not have enough "social credit" - not a compliant citizen - they can then cut you from money, society and hence they can remove your ability to live. as there is no way to survive in our modern societies without money.

    This is not about your convenience or your particular habits. Its not about how it doesn't affect you (which is a typical statement from most selfish LNP voters).
    It is much bigger and more important. A cashless society is about much more than limiting cash.

    Every electronic transaction is recorded.
    These large corporations make millions and billions from selling off peoples transaction and purchase data. The advertising companies using psychological techniques then use such data to make their advertising even more effective. Causing many people to buy more shit that they do not need.

    Your apathy just allows these psychopathic corporations to gain even more profit, power and control.
    johninmelb
    12th Oct 2020
    4:55pm
    Four points.

    I am not, never was and never will be a LNP voter. Can't stand the mongrels. But I am no die hard ALP supporter either. Basically I hate all politicians no matter what colour tie they wear.

    Secondly, I couldn't care less about banks selling my purchase data. I have a limited income with the pension. I only buy what I need to buy. Marketers can waste money trying to sell me stuff till the cows come home. Won't make one scrap of difference. They are welcome to salivate over my purchases of potatoes, carrots, frozen peas, lamb chops, jocks and socks as needed, etc etc Sadly I am not in the demographic that interests them.

    Thirdly, we have discussed bank fees ad nauseum here. Anyone with one jot of common sense knows that they can be mostly avoided by NOT using paywave, but inserting or swiping your card and using the EFTPOS system, NOT Visa or MC. So get off that hobby horse once and for all.

    Fourthly, since most of any discretionary income I have goes to my hobby of family history research, I seriously doubt anyone will have cause to limit my ability to use my bank account. I have managed my life successfully for nearly 71 years by keeping out of trouble and keeping my nose clean. If that makes me a "compliant citizen" then so be it. I will wear the insult. No skin of my nose. I gave up tiliting at windmills a long long time ago. Much easier on the blood pressure.
    Greg
    12th Oct 2020
    7:56pm
    The Lorax - One comment for you.......HAHAHAHAHAHA
    Pixie
    12th Oct 2020
    11:26am
    I am in another state altogether but I feel that is going to impact on the elderly. I generally pay with card and I don’t think I’ve had more than $5 in my purse since COVID. Most of the elderly don’t have cards and do everything by cash that is going to be so hard for them. How are they supposed to pay for their groceries etc. up here we have a few places that are still cashless from the start of COVID.

    They need to rethink this as a lot of people, me included, would prefer to pay with cash.
    ozjames70
    12th Oct 2020
    11:55am
    The businesses are just supporting the government drive to get rid of older people. Of course there is a drive to kill the cash society so government can track all spending.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    2:09pm
    Yes, Pixie, people refused to accept ID cards but a cashless society means everyone and their movements can be tracked. Our credit cards will be the same as being microchipped.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:16pm
    LOL...if they want to track me they can. Go to supermarket, op shops, chemist, dan murphys, restaurants and home. I am sure I am under threat!!
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    2:46pm
    If the government decides that booze is bad for people over a certain age and the health service is being overburdened then Dan Murphy will not be able to serve you, hyperbole.
    Jacka
    12th Oct 2020
    11:28am
    These stores are already cutting staff with their self service systems whereby the customer does all the work himself and has no contact with staff regarding payment, so there is no reason whatsoever do away with cash payments. These big supermarkets are an absolute disgrace, they Rob and financially rape our farmers and treat their customers like dirt. With all the Royal Commissions going on, one more into the conduct of supermarkets would not go astray. A disgusted Jacka.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:31pm
    My suggestion is that anyone who uses the self-service machines should have an accident while using the machines. Enough people trying to litigate and claim compensation for damages may actually get these fetid corporations to do the right thing.
    Horace Cope
    12th Oct 2020
    11:41am
    It's fair to say that the majority of the respondents in this forum grew up with cash, generally paid to us in a little brown envelope, and there were no credit cards. Budgeting was fairly simple in that when one's hand went into the pocket or purse and there was no cash then spending ceased. We still prefer to use cash for everyday items and can budget relatively easily because of that so we would use a store where cash was accepted.

    My thoughts about shops where only cards are accepted is that I would fill a trolley with a weekly shop, proceed to the checkout, load up the race, offer cash and then demand that they empty my bags and keep the groceries if they refuse to take cash. Apologies for those behind me. The RBA website covers the acceptance of cash and businesses can insist on payment without cash but the conditions must be made clear to the purchaser before entering into a contract, so if a store has a sign at a checkout that only cash can be accepted they have not made that a condition of entry to the store and therefore must accept cash.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:32pm
    Love it.
    mel
    12th Oct 2020
    11:53am
    No cash payment, that is BS. Cash is legal tender in Australia.
    A suggestion, all of us who oppose this no cash BS and are within the 5km limit, let's go to the cashless Woolies and fill the trolleys to the top. As we are not able to pay with cash leave it at the checkout and walk out.
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    12:18pm
    Sorry mel. They can refuse cash.

    For many decades now businesses have had the right to set rules on how they will accept payment. For example, you can't buy car with 5 cent pieces.

    You, of course, can refuse to shop there.
    Greg
    12th Oct 2020
    7:57pm
    mel - Another one....CASH CAN BE REFUSED AS PAYMENT. Look up the law, geeezzz.
    fearlessfly
    12th Oct 2020
    11:53am
    No worries at all. Pre Covid I used to go through $100 cash almost every week. Now, that $100 lasts about 6 weeks, the only thing it is used for is the weekly Lotto ticket. Since the Covid circus started I've only used Tap&Go on the mobile phone to pay for everything. Good riddance to cash I say. So, I'm a 71 year old pensioner that loves technology, anyone can embrace it.
    diamond
    12th Oct 2020
    12:01pm
    DO you have grandkids or other young children that you give cash gifts to go and buy something or sponsor in fundraising for readathons for example? I won't be giving my bank details instead of a cash donation for that.

    The other aspect is the rip-off bank fees for using your card which more businesses are now passing on to customers.
    Franky
    12th Oct 2020
    12:12pm
    Naive!
    fearlessfly
    12th Oct 2020
    12:40pm
    That's a no, diamond. I have 10 grandkids but we have never done that. Don't get involved in these endless this-athons and that-athons.
    GrannyH
    12th Oct 2020
    12:58pm
    I agree. Only use cash for Lotto because newsagent only wants cash so he can pay any winners. I’m 76 and love technology and all it offers in the way of easy transactions. Get with it other oldies. It will change your life and make things much easier. Plus learning how to use it is good for the old grey matter!
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:15pm
    Agree with all you have said GrannyH....all the seniors I know have embraced modern technology..they dont want to be left behind like so many of their peers!
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    2:55pm
    I’m not against technology, GrannyH, but I do think choice is necessary. I don’t think learning to wave a card over a machine is better for the grey matter than knowing how much cash I’m handing over and being able to check the change I’m given.
    MacGyver
    12th Oct 2020
    11:56am
    I wounder if all the people who are concerned about the possibility of contracting Covid-19 from handling bank notes are aware that the Coronavirus can survive up to 4 weeks on many, many surfaces. I wounder how many people have touched a item on the shelf you are about to pick up and put in your trolley. The producer of the item, the truck driver, the person stacking the shelves, the check out operator and possible even more before you get your item home. So I believe banning the use of our country's legal tender should not be forced on us.
    Circum
    12th Oct 2020
    2:20pm
    People often forget that money has often been laundered so it is clean to handle.Who washes credit cards?
    Elizzy
    12th Oct 2020
    2:43pm
    True. I wipe down every grocery item I purchase and quarantine them for 48 hours. I disinfect my credit card after using a payment terminal. Disinfect hands before and after entering the supermarket, using the gas pump, tyre guage at the garage, etc, etc. Gel and wipes in the car and handbag. Gets tiring. Roll on the vaccine...
    cupoftea
    12th Oct 2020
    11:58am
    I can not comment on this as I have been using my card for the last 5yrs as I retire next year and I want to know how much I will need per Annam
    Franky
    12th Oct 2020
    12:08pm
    With cashless payment we're trusting technology which is processing payments 100% - technology can malfunction, data can be compromised and payment stopped. I would boycott stores that exclusively accept cards only. I use cash for smaller payments and resulting small change at weekly markets. I'm not ready for cashless, with cash the bearer has the funds. With cards we have nothing, only trust that it will be honoured, and that trust I don't have yet for the above reasons.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:36pm
    There are so many ways that electronic systems can fail.

    Just wait until we get a decent solar flare from the sun that hits the earth.
    Every power system, satellite and electronic/computer system will be fried.

    It won't be a few days or even a few weeks before these systems can be restored. It would be years and years. Plus with the current lack of resources it may never be restored.
    Curious
    12th Oct 2020
    12:08pm
    Australian dollar notes and coins are legal tenders. Refusal to accept them is breaking the law. Federal Government should be taking action immediately. Just because Woolworths is a supermarket with a big capitalization, it doesn't mean it is above the law.
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    12:19pm
    Sorry Curious. They can refuse cash.

    For many decades now businesses have had the right to set rules on how they will accept payment. For example, you can't buy car with 5 cent pieces.

    You, of course, can refuse to shop there.
    Curious
    12th Oct 2020
    12:52pm
    Winston Smith. Please be informed of the following: -

    "According to the Currency Act 1965 (section 16) Australian coins are legal tender for payment as long as they do not: - exceed $5 of any combination of 5 cents, 10 cent, 20 cent, and 50 cent coins are offered. That means, for example, you can only use 100 single 5 cent pieces in a transaction".

    Our currency consists of dollar notes and coins (except that of section 16 of the Currency Act 1965) are legal tender and have a sovereignty right for exchange with other foreign currency.
    sunnyOz
    12th Oct 2020
    12:55pm
    Correct Winston. I am surprised at the number of people who do not know this. Good info on this page -
    https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/legal/legal-tender/
    Curious
    12th Oct 2020
    1:08pm
    sunnyOz. Thank you for that.

    However, the ARB's website states as follows: -

    " refusal to accept legal tender in payment of an existing debt, where no other means of payment/settlement has been specified in advance, conceivably could have consequences in legal proceedings; for example, the creditor may be unable to enforce payment in any other form".

    Woolworths must have a way to make a contract for payment when a customer enters its premises.
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    1:12pm
    Woolworths can simply say "We choose to not do business with you" for (almost) any reason.
    Curious
    12th Oct 2020
    2:43pm
    Refusal of services by any corporation can be challenged under human rights law. If the refusal of services and goods is based on anti-racial, anti-sexual, anti-sexual orientation, anti-age, or anti-social class, there are many legal precedents for them. This country does have consumer protection laws, particularly in commerce. I don't think Woolworths can be so cocky about this. I am sure, sooner or later, there is a test case for it.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:41pm
    Unfortunately Curious, our current government has no problems breaching and breaking international and human rights laws.

    In over 100 years of federation we still do not have a bill of rights.
    All of the UN treaties we have signed have never been enacted into Australian law. For a brief period we had enacted laws for racial discrimination - until Howard and Co. removed that so they could enforce the Apartheid "Intervention" in the NT.
    Curious
    12th Oct 2020
    7:05pm
    The Lorax. As far as I know, the racial discrimination act 1975 is still in force. It has not been repealed by the Federal Parliament. The effect of uncommenced amendments is not shown in the text of the compiled law. There needs to be a test case for these uncommenced amendments.
    old fart
    12th Oct 2020
    12:10pm
    What is wrong with using a card? Why should I go to an ATM, Bank or even obtain Cash from the Supermarket, then give it back to them. What a complete waste of time and inconvenience. Start living in 2020 you old farts and I'm a 70 yr old. Advantages are: Convenience, A record of all your purchases for your benefit. If they want to know what I spend who gives a toss. Disadvantages: None for me
    fearlessfly
    12th Oct 2020
    1:00pm
    Good on ya old fart, I'm with you on this one !
    GrannyH
    12th Oct 2020
    1:01pm
    Absolutely! Agree with every word.
    mogo51
    12th Oct 2020
    1:56pm
    Get in line 'old fart' and get your yellow star, then follow the rest
    Rae
    12th Oct 2020
    2:17pm
    It will make the Indue card roll out so much easier too.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:18pm
    best laugh I have had today. maybe some are worried that their stash of money they have hidden may have to see the light of day before it is worthless ??
    cupoftea
    12th Oct 2020
    2:50pm
    Oldfart sorry I said before that I wont comment but you only spend at the company store ask them f,ckers that run the country what is the card that you will have to use its run by a LNP members oh sorry they are members of the IPA
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    3:04pm
    Ever heard the saying “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket”, old fart? There will always be disadvantages to a lack of options.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:45pm
    Mr I alright Jack, so fuck the rest of you.

    Lets us also not forget the additional costs electronic transfers incur - I know my banking fee's and charges add up to hundreds per year. Which also includes the cost of being forced to have a bank account.

    People should also be aware that it is cheaper for banks to deal in electronic money than purchasing cash from the treasury. In other words there is greater profits for banks and large corporations if they force you to use electronic payments. Oh OI hear you say - the business usually pays for those fees - while the business may pay the banks those fees - but the cost of those fees is added to the goods and services you are procuring.

    People also need to be VERY AWARE, that banks have regularly closed peoples accounts down and refused to allow them to use or open bank accounts. We have also seen how Mastercard and Visa stopped payments from going to Wikileaks and number of small businesses in Australia. If this was to happen to an individual in a cashless society it is effectively a death sentence. If the bank(s) or government decide you do not have enough "social credit" - not a compliant citizen - they can then cut you from money, society and hence they can remove your ability to live. as there is no way to survive in our modern societies without money.

    Cashless - so you can continue being completely beholden to the banks and government for you existence...

    Maybe you will start to think about all the possible ramifications one day?
    Unfortunately I highly doubt you will until it affects you directly.

    Way to much selfish, egocentric, NIMBY-ism in Australia.
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    12:20pm
    Paying by card suits me. All my income goes directly into bank accounts, so to pay by cash involves an extra step of withdrawing cash first. Don't need that.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:48pm
    Funny how you forgot that it was the LNP government that forced you to have a bank account. While at the same time ensuring you would have to pay the banks to keep your money in their accounts.

    Forgetting that the new bail-in laws mean the money in the account with your name on it is actually the banks - if the bank goes bust, the money in "your" account is considered an asset of the banks!
    FrankC
    12th Oct 2020
    12:30pm
    There's mention of stores having a record of what you have boughht if this goes ahead. Well, Woolworths have a record of what you have bought through their Everyday rewards programme. Their system can tell what you bought, where you bougfht it and the time, which is why they are able to send you ads for certain items each fortnight or less.
    jakobo
    12th Oct 2020
    12:44pm
    They say cash is dirty,point taken,but how many hands have handled products have been handled by human hands
    Lookfar
    12th Oct 2020
    12:47pm
    It's not just the gradual erosion of our freedoms and narrowing of choices, but the dependance on a very complicated electronic interconnection that can be hacked into destruction, not so much by the smart young teenager but as an act of war.
    These systems can be brought to inoperability in seconds, and take weeks or even months if it gets into all the computers and trashes their hard drives, as they would have to be rebuilt from the bottom up.
    So no cash, the supermarkets full of food and the banks full of our money and we have nothing to eat?
    Australians are not a rioting people, but that situation..

    And who would attack us? when Morrison declares war on the Chinese simply because Trump told him ? -well they have already punished our farmers and retail economy, they have the world's biggest economy, - trashed Trump in the trade war, real clever Morrison, - then he says we have to start making our own stuff so he gives all this development money to American owned Gas companies so they can mine more of our decreasing gas, leaving us fracked mines that can't make anything.
    So our glorious leader is a gutless fool and the Supermarkets have to "look after the interests of their Shareholders", but where does that leave us?
    Cashless and starving unless we wake up to ourselves.
    fearlessfly
    12th Oct 2020
    1:02pm
    Unfortunately, Lookfar, the risk you refer to is only too real. The escalating cyber attacks on our commercial and government interestsover the past couple of years is getting beyond comprehension.
    Tood
    12th Oct 2020
    1:08pm
    YES, look what happened to Coles last week, suddenly out of business when you rely solely on technology.
    kimba
    12th Oct 2020
    12:51pm
    Wouldn't work for me. I need cash as I have to get my carer to shop. I don't want to be giving my pin out.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:19pm
    you dont have to give your pin...they can just swipe the card
    Fedup
    12th Oct 2020
    2:58pm
    “.... they can just swipe the card”
    That’s worse! They could put anything on it.
    panos
    12th Oct 2020
    12:54pm
    This has to take the cake as the biggest social engineering task the govt via businesses have partaken in.

    The ATO (govt) & big business want to obliterate cash....using covid 19 as the go getter.

    How many times at the supermarket do you see people pick up items have a look and then place them back on the shelf... fruit & veg as well..... all the damn time.....and they are worried that cash is dirty... I say bull sheet
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:20pm
    No problem to me. I just wash my hands as soon as I get home and I always wash them before I eat.
    diamond
    13th Oct 2020
    4:10pm
    Panos I have seen people open bottles in the medicinal aisle in Coles and sniff the contents. They then replace the bottle on the shelf and walk off.
    sunnyOz
    12th Oct 2020
    1:01pm
    The CASH society of Facebook sales, Gumtree, garage sales, markets, etc. - would dry up and be a disaster. I love doing up items - many found freely on side of kerbs - pop it on a sale site and get a few extra dollars. I recently picked up a set of 4 free dining chairs outside a house. Cleaned them up - and sold them for $240, cash. They would have laughed had I said 'card please'. Without cash, these sales would be impossible.
    Then works in reverse - go to my local farmer's market, and buy items in cash. Besides, many stores have signs saying they do not accept card purchases under $10. A sotre I recently went into had $20 limit. I'm not going to increase my purchase amount just for them.
    The Bronze Anzac
    12th Oct 2020
    1:18pm
    They are only talking about MAJOR Supermarkets, not garage sales.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    1:47pm
    It’s a foot in the door, TBA.
    diamond
    12th Oct 2020
    2:57pm
    They are talking about a cashless society. This trial is at Woolworths Supermarkets but a cashless society would affect markets and garage sales
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    3:14pm
    A cashless society would affect the majority of the charities as well, Diamond.
    Oldpom63
    12th Oct 2020
    1:02pm
    How would we fare if we got to the checkout and a power cut occurred or even an internet outage??? They would have to accept cash or give us our shopping trolley full of goods for free
    And it says on bank notes “legal tender in Australia” so surely they cannot refuse cash!
    fearlessfly
    12th Oct 2020
    1:04pm
    So, what would happen is exactly what DID happen with the Coles outage, they just shut the stores, no choice, they could not accept ANY form of payment.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    3:23pm
    I was in a cafe a couple of months ago when their credit card machines went down. All the folk with cash bypassed the folk carrying full trays and useless credit cards. We tortoises do win sometimes.
    Jilly B
    12th Oct 2020
    1:07pm
    Cashless will suit me fine. At the moment the only time I take cash out is to put someone who specifically states they would like cash. I have always been of the opinion it is one of the dirtiest items to carry in a wallet. One never know who handled it before we get it unless it looks totally new out of a ATM and even then I do not want the hassle of having to look after it and wondering if someone will take it out of my wallet or handbag. One gets nearly all paymentse these days direct into our bank accounts so we need at least a debit card to transact whereever or get money out so why not make it more hygenic at supermarkets. It also stops shops having cash on the premises and having to balance it at night and take it to the bank. It also stops those who rob and steal garages, small shops etc less opportunities. =A GREAT IDEA. WE ALL MUST ADAPT TO CHANGE.
    Lookfar
    12th Oct 2020
    1:20pm
    Jilly if they take your handbag they will have your cards, you would usually have a lot more money in the bank than carrying cash, not only could they steal your pension but maybe get a lot more.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:22pm
    You can get rings and watches that act as credit cards. Memorise your credit card number..that is what I have done and if the worst happens I can ring up the bank quick smart and get it deactivated very quickly.
    The Bronze Anzac
    12th Oct 2020
    1:15pm
    Whilst I personally refuse to use self check-outs, I think it would be worthwhile changing the policy for these check-outs to CASH ONLY fully, or CASH & CARDS in part.
    shaper
    12th Oct 2020
    1:20pm
    I never use my credit card unless its really necessary, I use cash all the time and if any shop at all refuse cash I will boycott them and tell all my friends to do the same. We are pensioners and try not to use credit if we can.
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    1:35pm
    Why not use a debit card?
    The Bronze Anzac
    12th Oct 2020
    1:37pm
    Put your CASH & PENSION money in a DEBIT Card account, not a credit card.
    shaper
    12th Oct 2020
    1:42pm
    I already have both a credit and a debit card but DO NOT wish to use either. Why should I have to do what others do!!!! I will still use cash its still LEGAL TENDER and until its not then maybe I will use a card. But only then. Don't be such a bully,
    diamond
    12th Oct 2020
    3:00pm
    If you use tap and go on your debit card instead of a pin you are getting charged fees by a lot of businesses these days.
    The Bronze Anzac
    12th Oct 2020
    1:23pm
    It would be interesting to know what CASH OUT figures are as a percentage to sales by value against payment by CASH currently at 27%.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    1:59pm
    Yes, that’s a point, TBA, their cash tills should be empty if they’re a cashless store.
    old fart
    12th Oct 2020
    1:27pm
    as per the Editor's comments, by 2023 it is estimated that only 5% of people will be using cash. Unfortunately, with anything in life, rules are always made for the minority NOT the majority, so its about time these selfish minorities got with the program and don't tell me it's to do with having choices, if its good for 95% ..............................
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    3:34pm
    I don’t care if I’m only 1%, old fart, I’m an individual and I don’t have to agree with something I don’t agree with.
    Jacka
    12th Oct 2020
    1:32pm
    Once again, he said this, she said that, that's not right, that is right. Who cares. Last time I looked we live in a democracy, it should be your choice to use legal tender or a card, without company's, government or idiots suggesting you can't. Yes embrace technology, however it should not be overriding a person's rights. Jacka.
    Winston Smith
    12th Oct 2020
    1:34pm
    Ok, but companies have the choice of whether they will do business with you. And if they have the cornflakes you want....
    mogo51
    12th Oct 2020
    2:01pm
    Most definitelt Jacko.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    3:39pm
    And Jacka also has the choice of deciding which company s/he will do business with, Winston.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    1:43pm
    1984...I can feel the knee pressing into my neck.
    mogo51
    12th Oct 2020
    1:52pm
    I too will boycott all stores that refuse cash. But not before I get a trolley full of stuff I would never use, let them go thru the process, then offer cash, then walk away. If everyone does that just once they will change their minds.
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    2:01pm
    Could this be a sneaky way for the government to bring in welfare cards?
    Rae
    12th Oct 2020
    2:21pm
    Indeed. It's big money for the Liberal Party and they need it.

    Hope all these people don't mind using an Indue card.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    4:08pm
    Bring in the Welfare Card, I do not really care, most payments are going to necessary items on the card anyway that why people have cash to buy stuff they want - like a box of Scotch whisky, eh??
    jan
    12th Oct 2020
    2:07pm
    Looks like the under the mattress money or the shoe box money will have to be spent soon. No more cashish for tradies.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:23pm
    those who are hiding money from Centrelink will be worried!
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    4:18pm
    Might have to make it illegal for people to have cash in the house like it is in many overseas countries - we might join the non-democratic countries. Hiding money is only a sport in this place because of the stupid asset test. Tax everyone on their income/assets and no one would want to hide any assets as long as they get their pensions like they do in other countries.
    hyperbole
    12th Oct 2020
    2:10pm
    It is inevitable it is going to happen. Just like the tide you cannot control it. Not as easy to hide money from the taxman either.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    4:22pm
    The big boys and the bikies will manage alright, no problems at all. We people on this site are just little people of not much consequence.
    Lookfar
    15th Oct 2020
    3:48pm
    Hyperbole, we would never get anywhere with such a defeatist attitude, it is not God's law that we don't have cash, and the Taxman doesn't seem to get any money from the super rich,- they don't even hide it.
    The only difference between us and them is lawyers, - remember the old joke about 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the Marianas Trench? (the Marianas Trench was supposed to be the deepest ocean in the world) (Hint to answer, - a good start)
    Suddha
    12th Oct 2020
    2:16pm
    Cash is still legal tender and no one can refuse to accept it. I will visit one of these Woolworths stores and fill my trolley to the top and if they refuse to accept cash, leave the trolley at checkout and they can put it all back including heaps of frozen items. Instead of boycotting Woolworths, let's all do the above and see how long they will refuse cash.
    jan
    12th Oct 2020
    2:27pm
    Yes good idea Suddha, but hard work if you have to do the shop again. But a fight for your rights is worth fighting for.
    45er
    12th Oct 2020
    2:27pm
    I always thought as cash was legal tender in Australia that anyone who refused legal tender for payment would be guilty of breach of contract.
    Greg
    12th Oct 2020
    7:57pm
    Hahahaha
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:17pm
    Yet to meet someone refusing cash when the service has been done. He would have to sue me for payments. Hahahaha Greg
    old fart
    12th Oct 2020
    2:43pm
    Why don't the Nayah's build a bridge and get over it. There are more important things in life that worrying about a method of payment one way or the other
    Triss
    12th Oct 2020
    4:03pm
    If there are more important things than a method of payment why are you insisting cash is wrong. I don’t mind you using a card exclusively but when you give in to big business you allow the puppet master to add another string to your back.
    diamond
    13th Oct 2020
    4:14pm
    Old Fart why don't you allow others to have a different opinion to yours? They are as entitled to their views as you are.
    Elizzy
    12th Oct 2020
    2:49pm
    I haven't used cash since February due to Covid19. I do draw the line at using my phone to pay - not secure enough for me.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:53pm
    Nothing that uses electronics is safe.
    Nothing online is safe.

    Either you are an LNP bot or you are not a thinker.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:13pm
    Nothing to do with the NLP or ALP - you think modern or you prefer the proven system. I use both but would never do with electronic money only. Greg here seems to have embraced it and good for him if he's comfortable with it.
    evemack
    12th Oct 2020
    2:55pm
    People with children. In a cashless society, how could they give the kids pocket money. Will little children have to have debit cards.
    diamond
    12th Oct 2020
    3:03pm
    They already think money comes out of a hole in the wall.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:10pm
    Yep - give them a tap card but only a small deposit account, eh?
    Fedup
    12th Oct 2020
    3:03pm
    I use a card for petrol, but otherwise spend in small amounts and prefer to use cash.

    I was using my debit card more frequently during COVID, but it’s really annoying having numerous ‘pending’ deductions for days showing on my account, because I can’t see at a glance what my balance is. So I’ve gone back to using cash, and will avoid any shops that don’t take it.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:09pm
    The 'pending notice' should not worry you Fedup, unless you really use the tap system at every opportunity like buying a beer, a sandwich etc. Normally you remember the purchases you have done and make a mental note.
    diamond
    13th Oct 2020
    4:17pm
    Mariner why should we have to?
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:10pm
    Fedup - the "pending transactions" are reflected in your balance already.
    Cheezil61
    12th Oct 2020
    3:55pm
    Smarter people will shop elsewhere, stuff them!
    Cheezil61
    12th Oct 2020
    3:57pm
    People have to stop & think shout the implications of allowing this to happen. Once it starts it's too late!
    Cheezil61
    12th Oct 2020
    3:57pm
    People have to stop & think shout the implications of allowing this to happen. Once it starts it's too late!
    almost midnight
    12th Oct 2020
    4:01pm
    won't be going to any of those stores
    patti
    12th Oct 2020
    4:04pm
    Money is the root of all evil! To use cashless payments you must be able to trust your bank. I'm afraid I don't.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:57pm
    I am not sure why so many of the numpties on here think electronic transactions are fine.
    Did they miss the bail-n laws.
    Did they miss what happened to Wikileaks and a large number of other businesses?

    Do they not know corporate law?
    Corporations must make a profit for their shareholders over and before they consider human life, before any environmental or societal concerns.

    How anyone can continue to trust banks and corporations defies intelligence!
    patti
    12th Oct 2020
    4:10pm
    I've had an experience where a card took the amount five times, which would leave me in trouble now I'm on the Age Pension. Yes, it was reimbursed following the error but took a bit of sorting out. Not good for a low income earners. Cash is King
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:05pm
    Similar experience for me, patti. It took 5 weeks to get rectified but I got it all back. But I was still working then and did not have the same impact.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:14pm
    Have you cash lost or stolen and the bank won't be paying you back patti. It's gone for good.

    I've had fraudulent transaction on a credit card a few years ago, the Bank called me about them minutes after they happened, the money was refunded tow days later, new cards in the mail another day later. Fast, efficient systems exist now.
    Youngagain
    18th Oct 2020
    3:29pm
    Not all banks are that efficient, Greg. I had to find the fraud and report it. Then was told I had to fill in a form and wait 2 weeks for investigation, then my card would be cancelled and I'd be without one for up to 2 weeks before a new one was issued. Now, that means you have to have multiple cards, or use cash, or go for weeks without paying for anything. Not at all convenient.
    The Lorax
    12th Oct 2020
    4:51pm
    Nothing online is safe.
    Everything online can be hacked with enough time and resources.

    I have noticed no one is talking about the bail-in laws?
    Turnbull passed the Bail-in laws. Which means that the money in your named account IS NOT ACTUALLY YOURS. If the bank goes bust, all the money in personal accounts is considered an asset of the banks!



    Lets us also not forget the additional costs electronic transfers incur - I know my banking fee's and charges add up to hundreds per year. Which also includes the cost of being forced to have a bank account.

    People should also be aware that it is cheaper for banks to deal in electronic money than purchasing cash from the treasury. In other words there is greater profits for banks and large corporations if they force you to use electronic payments. Oh OI hear you say - the business usually pays for those fees - while the business may pay the banks those fees - but the cost of those fees is added to the goods and services you are procuring.

    People also need to be VERY AWARE, that banks have regularly closed peoples accounts down and refused to allow them to use or open bank accounts. We have also seen how Mastercard and Visa stopped payments from going to Wikileaks and number of small businesses in Australia. If this was to happen to an individual in a cashless society it is effectively a death sentence. If the bank(s) or government decide you do not have enough "social credit" - not a compliant citizen - they can then cut you from money, society and hence they can remove your ability to live. as there is no way to survive in our modern societies without money.
    Curious
    12th Oct 2020
    7:33pm
    The Lorax. Where did you get this information, which you posted here? Have you read the Australia Reserve Bank Act, specifying the parameters by which banks in Australia can operate, the Banking Act, 1959, and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority Act 1998? What you said here seems to contrary to the purposes of these Acts. Especially, the purpose of establishing APRA is stated as follows in Clause 8, section 2: -

    "In performing and exercising its functions and powers, APRA is to balance the objectives of financial safety and efficiency, competition, contestability, and competitive neutrality and, in balancing these objectives, is to promote financial system stability in Australia".

    Are you suggesting that our financial system is unstable, lacks trust, and has no accountable and transparent?
    Fedup
    12th Oct 2020
    8:11pm
    The money in your account is yours. Under the Financial Claims Scheme, the government protects $250,000 per depositor per institution. So if a bank goes bust you don’t lose deposits to that amount.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:20pm
    The Lorax - What a lot of rot.

    Nothing online is? Yeah and having cash is? If cash is stolen/lost it's gone for good.

    Give me some examples of banks closing people's accounts down, refused to use them or not open new ones.

    It may happen but for very good reasons when the police have been involved, fraudulent activity on an account, a person without suitable identification to open an account. There are requirements that need to be met to open an account and to allow the ongoing use of that account.

    Don't come on here talking crap without backing up your false claims.
    Youngagain
    18th Oct 2020
    3:41pm
    The Lorax is right about the bail in laws, Greg. So far, nothing has happened as a result of those laws being passed, but if a bank fails - and it's entirely possible now with the rising debt resulting from the pandemic - the bank CAN claim all the money deposited in it and the account holder loses everything.

    The government is lying about guaranteeing up to $250,000 of your deposit in each bank, Fedup. If you read the fine print, the guarantee lapses if the bank is forced to liquidate. You DO lose your deposit. The bail-in laws allow APRA to order a failing bank to claim depositors' funds to prop it up.

    It has happened before in Australia, in 1931. It could happen again. Thus far, it doesn't look likely, but neither did any of us contemplate the current pandemic and resulting economic upheaval as recently as a year ago! How fast things can change!
    Curious
    18th Oct 2020
    7:56pm
    Youngagain. I think you have only provided half of the story here, which may have scared people, who read your response here.

    For the start, the perceived loophole in the current legislation laws is based on one legal opinion of a suburban lawyer in Chatswood. The contention is that the legislation refers to (future) other instruments, which the critics say may include deposits in banks. Currently, there is a Bill is being processed in the Parliament. However, this concern has been dispelled by Federal Treasury, which says there are currently two explicit legislative provisions in the Banking Act specifically directed to protecting deposits. The following is from the horse's mouth: -

    "First, section 13A(3) of the Banking Act provides for priority repayment of 'protected accounts' (including 'deposit accounts' within the meaning of the Bill) in the unlikely event that an ADI (Authorised Deposit-taking Institution) were unable to meet its obligations," it said.

    "Secondly, Part II, Division 2AA of the Banking Act establishes the FCS (Financial Claim Scheme). The FCS guarantees protected accounts (including 'deposit accounts' within the meaning of the Bill) up to a cap of $250,000 per account holder, per ADI."

    Treasury also says the reference to "other instruments" relates to the theoretical possibility of APRA recognizing other classes of capital instruments in the future.

    Answers to written questions on notice from APRA chairman Wayne Byres received by the Senate committee on Wednesday support the Treasury submission.

    "Under current laws and regulations, it is not possible for APRA to require banks to bail-in deposit accounts," Mr Byres said.
    Boof
    12th Oct 2020
    5:07pm
    Cash fazed out. Bull sh.t...
    Boof
    12th Oct 2020
    5:08pm
    We'll start our own store in opposition.
    My choice Adelaide
    12th Oct 2020
    5:13pm
    I reduced my paywave down to $40 long time ago. Much safer if my card is ever misplaced. Also I will avoid Woolworths as this will only increase their marketing promotions and harvesting of my information. Foodland supports South Australia. Remember wash your hands and do not touch your face.
    old fart
    12th Oct 2020
    5:15pm
    The Lorax - You got no idea what your talking about, Firstly, the Federal has a Deposit G/Tee Scheme "A new permanent cap of $250,000 per person per institution on deposits guaranteed under the Financial Claims Scheme took effect from 1 February 2012. This new cap was announced by the Treasurer on 11 September 2011" So effectively the first $250K of your Bank deposit is guaranteed by the Federal Gov should the bank go belly up and Secondly, You have to be dumb as dogshit if you can't operate a Credit Card with a Bank and NOT incur any Fees, Charges or Interest. I have a Mastercard with a Bank with no Annual Fee, Monthly Charges or Interest payable
    Youngagain
    18th Oct 2020
    3:48pm
    Old Fart, clearly you haven't read the fine print! The $250,000 guarantee is entirely conditional on the bank remaining liquid. If the bank's debts exceed it's assets, APRA can - under the 'bail-in' laws - order it to confiscate deposits to pay its debts, and the $250,000 guarantee is worthless.

    In fact, there are people currently lobbying for changes to the bail-in laws to make it clearer that depositors can lose their money and easier for banks to take deposit funds.

    There are also people lobbying for changes to the bail-in laws to specifically exclude bank deposits, and therefore protect depositors, but so far those changes have not been implemented and it doesn't appear they are likely to be any time soon.

    We like to think our money is safe in Australian banks, but if you read the law carefully you will discover that it is not. The Financial Claims Scheme is a fraud.

    I do agree with your last statement. I love my credit card. It pays me! $195 a year in fees gets me extended warranties on everything I buy, fraud protection, purchase insurance, free travel insurance, concierge services, and various other benefits, and the attached Rewards program delivers at least $500 a year in gift cards every Christmas. I never pay interest because I pay the full balance owed before the due date every month.
    Circum
    12th Oct 2020
    5:16pm
    The longest queues in Woolies are those waiting for a Cash only terminal in the self service section.This is a calculated decision by Woolies to try and change public behavior.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:02pm
    Have only got one "card only" terminal at our Woolies, I suppose it depends on the neighborhood you live in. I go to normal check-outs with large purchases. If they are to busy I go to one of the other two supermarkets in the same centre. I know I am lucky having all 3 in one shopping complex.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:24pm
    Really.....so it's not because people are using less and less cash so they don't install as many machines AND the fact that those cash machines are FAR MORE expensive, require ongoing servicing with the cash and more ongoing servicing with breakdowns/cleaning?

    You're just another fool who who doesn't understand the basis of which these machines are used and the cost in keeping them going.
    Circum
    14th Oct 2020
    5:01pm
    I see Greg is xery customer focussed NOT by looking at the affect of the machines on the retailer not the customer.It was the retailer who chose to implement self service machines,The failure of the machines to be as cost effective as the card machines is the responsibility of the retailer,
    Dont blame the customer.
    Lewi
    12th Oct 2020
    6:52pm
    we are 82 yaers old and dont have credit cards or the like so are we going to coles now for our grocerie
    Jilly B
    12th Oct 2020
    7:01pm
    Lewi,

    No one is asking you to use or get a credit card. Most money these days is paid into your accounts electronically. Unless you are still physically going into a bank to get cash then I assume that someone else does this chore for you. A debit card is so easy to use and your bank keeps a record of all transations. They also show balance/s and it is so helpful. I gave up using dirty cash years ago and only use it now when I use my card at the supermarket to obtain cash for a specific person who requests it.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    10:57am
    Good on you Jilly B, some sensible people around still.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    1:57pm
    Lewi - all our oldies are paying cash at Woolies and BWS around here, Coles next door the same and Aldi likes cash that much they charge you 0.5% extra if you pay by card. Cannot for the life of me see the issues some of you people have with this problem. Where we live there is no problem at all.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    1:59pm
    Mariner - I use my card at Aldi and there's NO FEES. Just need the correct card.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:26pm
    I can override my tap card at Aldi as well, Greg, but that would defeat the purpose of no contact payment, just shift the position onto 'savings' but then you have to touch buttons for your PIN. Have done that as well when purchasing larger items.
    Youngagain
    18th Oct 2020
    3:51pm
    I'm puzzled, Greg. Aldi charge fees on BOTH debit and credit cards. Doesn't matter which yo use - you pay. I use my credit card because the reward points offset the fee. What card are you using that has no fee attached?
    SuziJ
    12th Oct 2020
    7:06pm
    I don't use any of these stores, anyway. I won't even use their fuel as it's so much dearer than the local fuel station down & up the street.
    Garyand
    12th Oct 2020
    7:06pm
    A great move! A cleaner way of doing business with (Plastic cards are contactless and are easily disinfected) with and you end up with an itemised balance sheet for budgeting. Since March I’ve used cash once and I’ve even encouraged my 90 yo mother to go cashless as well. Older folks can adapt and read balance sheets. As for bank fees, none for me. Whilst I live in a state without toll roads, I understand that toll roads gave up on cash some time ago...
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    10:56am
    Absolutely Gary - so many old fuddy duddies on here who can't OR won't change their ways.

    Plus plenty of others who are worried about their cash which either helps them by paying less tax or gets them more pension.
    diamond
    13th Oct 2020
    4:22pm
    Greg what an arrogant comment. Because someone has a different outlook to you it doesn't mean it is not valid.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:26pm
    diamond - just pointing out the REAL reason all you people don't want to see the end of cash.
    professori_au
    12th Oct 2020
    8:19pm
    I see some arguing that business does not have to accept cash. Well, there is another side to that coin. If they will not accept cash then you don't buy. If enough people do this then I am sure business will become quite happy to accept your cash, after all, anything that affects the bottom line will receive serious consideration. Also, the corner stores I am sure will not reject cash if that is what you have. Perhaps we might see a renewal of the old corner store where you received service and a friendly face. I personally do not like the cash card system as I like to see the face of those behind the counter. When I go into a store and the staff are sour faced and generally not friendly, then I never return. Perhps I am old fashioned but a friendly and respectful approach never hurt anyone.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    10:54am
    If ALL retailers do the same thing where are you going to go to?
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    1:52pm
    Greg - when that happens us old dinosaurs will be long gone but I still think in 500 years there are still tokens for trade like there were in the old days of the Greeks and Romans. I do like cash in my pocket when going about the place.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:27pm
    Mariner - If a push for cash becomes evident you could see it's demise in years, not decades.
    Farside
    13th Oct 2020
    9:48pm
    I agree with Greg, covid has accelerated the relegation of cash toward joining cheques as another quaint historical curiosity.
    Dorliz
    12th Oct 2020
    9:10pm
    It's all BS, be carefup people, No more Garage Sales, No More egg money for the neighbour who sells a few eggs, No more community markets. No more car boot sales. No more cash in hand jobs to get it a bit cheaper. A lot to loose from out way of life to bend to the supermarkets.
    Greg
    12th Oct 2020
    10:48pm
    No more cash economy that costs the country BILLIONS of dollars in tax a year.
    Dorliz
    13th Oct 2020
    2:08am
    The cash economy is what keeps the economy moving around and around, no tax more to spend. We must pay taxes to pay for what govt. provides in the way of infrastructure, welfare etc. No tax on overtime would improve peoples spending power and this can be recovered by gst.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    10:54am
    Haha, so going by your theory we shouldn't have ANY tax at all. Do you live in fantasy land.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    1:48pm
    Dorliz - that is the whole point, no cash economy. It is not Covid-19, that is just another item to nail the cash, govt control is wanted. Every penny counted, no more under the bed money for oldies. I get all my maintenance done with cash payments, saving a bit of money which is still being spent. It's just the way I want to spend it not wasted by govt depts for all these funny initiatives.
    Dorliz
    12th Oct 2020
    9:14pm
    No
    Teacher
    13th Oct 2020
    1:08am
    I forgot one item of grocery from a Woollies recently and didn't have a dollar coin so had to resort to my card. How ridiculous to go through that payment procedure for a dollar. And then I'll probably be charged something for using my card, so it will be a lose lose situation if my Woolies goes cashless. I'll go too! Never to darken their doors again.
    Winston Smith
    13th Oct 2020
    10:45am
    Debit card. Tap and Go. Should be no fees. Easier than cash really.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    10:49am
    I make a regular purchase at my chemist, 0.60 cents, use my credit card paywave, no fees.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    1:42pm
    Possibly mean $6.60 at the chemist - 60 cents sounds like yesterday.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    2:00pm
    Mariner - ZERO DOLLARS and SIXTY CENTS is what I mean.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:23pm
    Thanks Greg - you must have a fantastic deal going. Even the daily paper is $2. Sorry for disbelieving you.
    diamond
    13th Oct 2020
    4:25pm
    Greg there are businesses who won't accept cards for transactions under $10.
    Farside
    13th Oct 2020
    4:44pm
    covid has been very successful in persuading business that used not to accept cards for transactions under $10 to be more flexible and accept lower amounts. Won't be easy to wind back this new flexibility and impose minimum spends.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:30pm
    diamond - Obviously there are, but if cash goes that won't be the case. And as Farside pointed out many of them have removed that limitation.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    10:07am
    If cash was going to be a thing of the past why do reserve banks all over the world including ours print new notes every few years? This fable about the cashless society has gone around for years. What are you going to do with internet failures, power cuts etc? No payments possible then. Just last week Coles was out of business around the country because of a computer glitch. Treasure your cash, folks! Still better than plastic. If you have too much of it, buy gold coins from the Mint.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    10:52am
    Fact is they are printing less due to lower demand AND notes do wear out you know, they need to replaced.

    Coles had no system at all, cash WAS NOT ACCEPTED, nothing to do with EFTPOS.

    Anyway IF it's an online issue with the banks retailers can process transactions manually, that has been enabled for decades now, you just don't see it much because they systems are very reliable.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    1:40pm
    Just come back - paid every thing in cash: Woolies, post office, chemist, butcher shop and newsagent in total $215.50. Absolutely no one told me to use a card. A few months ago I paid my rates for the year $2300 in cash - receipt given, no comment. A boutique bakery in the neighborhood has a sign "no cash accepted, card only". The only place in the whole neighborhood, but then the oldest person in there is 30 years old.
    Winston Smith
    13th Oct 2020
    1:51pm
    Mariner - "I paid my rates for the year $2300 in cash."

    You are clearly a statistical outlier.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    2:02pm
    Wonderful, you carry around $2,300 in cash. Not a smart thing to do.

    That's one of the main advantages of a card, if it gets lost/stolen it's hard to get money out, if they do the bank pays you back. If cash gets lost/stolen it's goodbye forever.
    Mariner
    13th Oct 2020
    2:20pm
    Goes to show I live in a safe neighborhood, eh. Do not carry that all the time but when I have it I will spend it before putting into a bank. You have to pay your bills any way.
    diamond
    13th Oct 2020
    4:33pm
    Greg you just contradicted yourself. The Commonwealth and Westpac,Nab have all had outages of recent times and people were not able to access their money through retailers.
    Greg
    13th Oct 2020
    6:35pm
    diamond - Do you know what "contradicted" means?

    The means to process offline transactions exist, it's up to the retailer if they want to.

    If cash disappeared there would be a requirement to accept offline transactions most likely. Alternatively you wait until later, this IS NOT end of world stuff you know, if you can't but something THAT SECOND it's not going to kill you.

    I have stopped using cash for years now and DO NOT, HAVE NOT had any trouble with paying with cards.....IN YEARS. The systems are far more robust these days.
    Beemee
    14th Oct 2020
    10:53am
    I want to see Woolworths Medical Diploma? Doctors have been saying cash is NOT the problem, it is hard surfaces like credit cards, ATM's, and any hard surface like bench tops etc.
    If cash is a problem, then DON'T send me any bills, DON'T give me any receipts, NO paper at all!

    They are really crippling many of the seniors, I know of quite a few in my street who don't have Internet, don't have credit cards, and a bunch are pissed off about having to lose their passbooks. Nice one spreading lies, all you are doing is discriminating against seniors.
    I will boycott ANY store that has card only. I have only ever once used those stupid cashless machines not long after they came out. I only had $20 in my purse for the item and I can't remember now what it was, but I only got change as if I gave $10. It took ages to resolve and the company was none too pleased about me making a scene. TUFF TITTIES, screw me and everybody is going to know it.
    Besides its a ploy to FORCE everyone to use Credit Card so your actual cash stays in the bank and then they will use it to buy shares and shore up their incompetent financial advisors.
    Spray your money with Glen 20, I have been doing that for ages now. I lay it on the table on a cloth and spray them on one side. With a glove on (nitrile), I turn them over and spray again. Throw the glove away and wait for this lot to dry. With another set of gloves, I grab a plastic bag (freezer 120 bag) and put the whole lot in to the bag and roll it up neat. When its opened in any store, a waft of Glen 20 comes out of the bag, then I warn the cashier that they are covered with Glen 20.
    Mariner
    14th Oct 2020
    11:54am
    One way of doing it Beemee. Just laying the cash out in the sun for a bit does the same without the smell. Banks and other financials want us all to do away with cash and possibly when that is achieved introduce a Financial Institutions Duty (FID) like Victoria had under Cain in the 80s. Every transfer in or out was taxed at some percentage point, even my wages were saddled with that FID before I could take them out and all the bills I paid carried it as well. Not so easy when dealing with cash. I noticed even our newsagent has a sign "payments with cards accepted, costs will be passed on to you Visa and Mastercard only". Scratchies and other gambling like Lotto cannot be paid on credit card. Of course that might only be in our State.
    Beemee
    14th Oct 2020
    12:26pm
    In a nutshell - The Government forces you to use card so you don't have a choice.
    That means ALL your money is in the bank.
    Government can then change the tax and banks can add more fees.
    Banks then can access all or part of your money to buy shares to keep themselves afloat.
    Who do we have to thank for this mess?
    Everyone that uses a card indiscriminately by buying a lousy coffee instead of keeping it just for major things.
    Greg
    14th Oct 2020
    6:30pm
    All your money in the bank? Well where do you keep yours, at home....hope it doesn't get stolen.

    They don't charge tax on deposits and you can get away from fees easily.
    Banks can buy shares with YOUR money??? What the hell are you talking about, absolute rot.
    Beemee
    14th Oct 2020
    12:27pm
    OH btw, more bloody cyber crime with credit cards. No thanks I prefer cash where they can't rip me off of anymore than what's in my account and that's about 5 - 10 dollars at most.
    Greg
    14th Oct 2020
    6:28pm
    Any time you are ripped off with credit cards the bank pays you back. Anytime you have lost or stolen cash you will never see it again.

    Fraud rates of cards is currently 0.034% of electronic transactions, extremely insignificant and like I said the bank pays you back....within days usually.
    Briar
    14th Oct 2020
    11:08pm
    I use cash and shop only in small local businesses and markets, and they welcome cash. I haven't shopped in Coles/Woollies, or indeed any multi national chains for years. Surely this whole thing about only using cards is not about Covid at all, but about our spending being tracked.
    Greg
    14th Oct 2020
    11:35pm
    Yeah mate, they are interested in your grocery shopping, FFS.

    It's about doing away with something that's as old as time. Cash can be lost/stolen and never recovered, electronic transactions that are frauds will be paid back to you.

    The Black Economy is massive, people not paying their fair share of tax means others pay more to make up the difference - I don't think that's reasonable, do you?
    jan
    15th Oct 2020
    12:32am
    Wonder what the drug dealers will use when no cash. Guess they will be traced transferring large transactions. The police found 4 million in cash with drugs this week.
    Lookfar
    15th Oct 2020
    9:24am
    Jan, where there is a will there is a way, they could use gold, bitcoin, barter, pseudo house payments, false lottery/poker machine wins, the sky is the limit, and the criminal class is well funded.

    The idea that willingness to commit crime can be stymied by eliminating cash is pie in the sky, Briar is closer to the mark, the organisations, such as google, that make their money and gain their power from tracking transactions, have everything to gain from eliminating cash.

    Tracking transactions allows them to manipulate every single one of us on a person to person basis, - those who think that very big business is not interested in your grocery choices live in La La land, or hav some other hidden agenda.

    In Today's world, Knowledge is Power, the Power to make more money and get more power.

    The associated comments about "Black Money" not paying Tax, recede into the never never when you consider that these major Multinationals almost never pay Tax, - there is the real black money.

    There is a certain section of the Bureaucracy that is totally anal about gathering every penny for the taxman, - a good example being the energy expended to in some cases kill by anxiety older folk with the illegal robo debt scam, which would never have paid for itself anyway.

    One has to look behind these acts to find the philosophy that such idiocy is engendered by, and it is usually just a hatred of the poor by the rich that at some deep level are guilty about their ill gotten gains.

    If only they could be honest with themselves they might not be so rich but decent human beings after all.

    However that philosophy has been exposed as Neo Liberalism, the belief that the rich are clever because they are rich, so even though you and I might regard them as corrupt criminals, they believe their cleverness, not their immorality, has made them rich, therefore it is clever to not pay tax if you are a multibillionaire owning such organisations as Google, and clever to manipulate everyday people to buy what makes them money, not what we actually need.

    This insatiable greed to have more money and more power has a direct conclusion, Power Corrupts, -
    so whilst many posting on this forum are simply older folk pleased that they have mastered the current technology and wanting everything to be easy, - to which I have no criticism, but the deeper reasons are what is really driving it and removing Cash, particularly as it will also remove back yard vege growers selling their organic products at community markets, garage sales and the like, - such freedoms only engendering hatred by the super rich, are the ones we need to be aware of, and resist as best we can as there is no benefit in the long term for us to be controlled by these insanely greedy psychopaths.
    Greg
    15th Oct 2020
    4:28pm
    lookfar - Yeah the drug dealers are going to barter, haha, or use Bitcoin (electronic transaction so traceable, false lottery wins? What the hell.

    Obviously without cash fraudulent/criminal activity using cash will be greatly diminished, maybe it could still happen but will be far more difficult and not something the backyard boys will do.

    I don't understand why you don't want everyone to pay their fair share of tax, by allowing cash transactions for services these people pay far less tax which means the honest people have to pay more to make up the difference. The tax avoiders still use hospitals, roads, schools, numerous government service but don't pay tax (or pay less tax) why others make up the difference.

    The only explanation is that YOU are one of the tax avoiders - gee thanks for your help in funding the services of this country.
    jan
    15th Oct 2020
    10:49am
    Yes you hit the nail on the head Lookfar. Where there's a will there's a way. My grandmother was full of all these little phrases. Only the strong will survive, so never give up or die fighting.
    Beemee
    15th Oct 2020
    6:57pm
    This is for those who seem to live in a tiny world where everything is innocent.

    I shop once every 2 weeks as I live right away from any shops. When I get home I check all that is spent. Fuel docket. Aldi docket. Coles docket. Vegie shop Docket. Butcher docket. Plus anything in the line for doing any jobs here.
    Sounds innocuous on the surface, but take a real hard look with your glasses on.
    Bought dog food? You have a dog. Based on how many could tell how many dogs you have.
    Fuel docket - you use that fuel - hence thats either newer model or older one. Diesel or Petrol? Diesel amount means a truck or something like the newer 4WD, because of the volume you added. I don't see chicken or fish on the list, guess you are a meat eater. A lot of cans and packets? must work long hours and no time to cook or you are inherently lazy or a crappy cook. Study your dockets, it says volumes about you - then if you use your card, oh well that happens to connect to a name and address. C'mon wake up, big brother IS watching and they are already doing dosiers on all of us. That is why you can buy certain products any more. Got a choice? BS you have. You get may be 6 items that do a certain job whereas it used to be 12. You are being controlled and you don't know it or don't want to.
    Lookfar
    15th Oct 2020
    9:13pm
    Beemee, I have read several reports and analysees suggesting that because google etc. know so much about most of us they can determine which political party wins each election, - with just several nudges and cues to the particular persons' ideas and prejudices, unknown to the person, they can change the whole course of any elcetion, and they have admitted it, - with of course disclaimers that they never would..
    Greg
    15th Oct 2020
    11:41pm
    You two are off your heads.

    Beemee - They are doing dossiers on us? HAHAHAHA, mate, you're nuts. Yeah I'm sure ScoMo is interested in the fact you buy dog food. What a fool.

    Lookfar - Just more ridiculous ramblings from a stupid old fool. "I have read several reports and analyses".....yeah go on believe everything you read. So how would Google know what my political intentions are? And more to the point how does Google change the course of the election?

    Come on, explain how that works?
    Lookfar
    16th Oct 2020
    12:29pm
    Greg, I gather you have run out of truth and stooped to insults and baseless derogatory remarks.
    You could well benefit by realising that if your are calling someone a fool but they are not, then probably it is you who are the fool, - also it is the act of trolls.
    In regards to the google influence, (also facebook, etc.) here is an article that has been around a while and never refuted.
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/could-google-influence-presidential-election
    There has been quite a lot of discussion around the world, and pressure put on Goolgle, also search, ' search engine manipulation effect '
    Google has just announced it is cancelling it's "prod" trick, due to public pressure.

    It is interesting just how much information is available on this subject, I wonder where you have been hiding while fomenting your disagreeable comments?
    Certainly not in the real world.

    Perhaps if you actually do the research as indicated above, you may realise you too are being manipulated, whatever you say.
    Greg
    16th Oct 2020
    4:01pm
    Did you read the crap you linked?

    "Is there any evidence to suggest that internet gatekeepers are taking advantage of this power?"
    Answer: "No. But this question gets at the real crux of the problem because, for now anyway, there’s really no way to find out."

    "there's really no way to find out" So where's is the proof?

    Quote from article:

    "Although he doesn’t have evidence that search results are biased, Epstein has discovered some strange discrepancies that seem to favor Clinton in a different facet of Google’s search engine: its search suggestions."

    No evidence, "that seem to favour". Wow, I believe it.....

    "According to Epstein’s unpublished research"
    Unpublished mate.

    That article proves nothing, it's some person who has NO EVIDENCE and SEEMS TO THINK something is going on.

    Very scientific, hahaha.
    Greg
    16th Oct 2020
    4:07pm
    You're just another one from the Tin Foil Hat wearing brigade; I've read your other posts over the months.......looney bin stuff.

    Stop reading articles which have no proof, use some common sense and THINK about how things work. Try to use LOGIC.
    Lookfar
    16th Oct 2020
    8:31pm
    Poor Greg, found out he was wrong, more and more insults just because you are too lazy and slack to read the research.

    Nothing is built on nothing, blind asseverations that claim they have LOGIC have no logic because they are blind asseverations, not worth reading.
    Time to go to school kiddo.
    Greg
    16th Oct 2020
    11:59pm
    I wasn't wrong at all, your article is worthless, I quoted you some parts which proves it was just opinions by a person.

    Obviously you like that type of "research" based on one persons opinion, I guess you watch You Tube Videos too to get your "facts".

    You've been called out on here before from others, everyone knows you're a nutter.

    Be careful, that hat is not Tin Foil, the 5G might get you, hahaha.
    Lookfar
    17th Oct 2020
    5:32am
    You were wrong Greg, the first article you have cherry picked bits and quoted them out of context, - typical trick of the far right, but that article set the scene, the second, the more up to date,
    ' search engine manipulation effect '
    you did not read, - again lazy I suppose.

    I find it amusing that you set yourself up as knowledgeable about everyone else on this site
    "You've been called out on here before from others, everyone knows you're a nutter."
    In reality, what that means is you have found someone to disagree with me, - whoop de doo, how can you assume everybody else thinks the same as you?

    Wrong again, there are many opinions and points of view on this site, thank goodness, but you stand out for your continuous reliance on insults, put downs, unproveable assertions and the like.
    That you can't respect anyone who has a different point of view only shows that you don't respect yourself.
    Constant mention of words such as Logic, Common sense, Thinking, may fool some into believing you have those qualities, but in fact you are just trying to claim credibility. Unearned.

    Again, as I mentioned before, it seems to me you have a hidden agenda, deny it if you will, unless you are just childishly insisting on your point of view and have not the maturity to acknowledge your one sided ignorance.
    Mariner
    17th Oct 2020
    12:02pm
    Don't worry about Greg, he called me an old fool above. Old I certainly am, no doubt, fool maybe. But the cash economy has helped me quite a bit over the years in house repairs sine the unwanted GST came in. I deal mostly in cash and the only criticism I ever got was on this site.
    ex PS
    17th Oct 2020
    10:31am
    Looks like Coles will be getting our business. I have no problems with cards, I use them all the time, but I will not have my freedom of choice taken away.
    We'll pay with cards as we normally do, but it will be because we choose to, not because we are told to.
    Mariner
    17th Oct 2020
    11:56am
    Just been to Coles and Liquorland, paid with cash in both places, absolutely no problems. People paying with a card in front asked for cash out. If they only accept cards in future how could they hand out cash? Just leave a working system be and fix stuff that is broken.
    Joyful56
    17th Oct 2020
    2:50pm
    Not for this little black duck as the staying goes. In fact, after reading about this, I specifically now leave my card at home and have taken to paying for everything in cash. So far I have not been refused BUT if I was I will gladly leave the goods and then never shop there (or any other branches of the shop) again.
    Mariner
    17th Oct 2020
    5:01pm
    Yes black duck, keep on quacking with cash in the wallet, it has always worked and will in the future. Let people use their card it they are happy but leave us be!


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