Can Joan provide for son and block a controlling father?

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Joan* has a son with Asperger’s who lives with his father. She wants to leave the son a legacy in her will but does not want the father to be able to control it. She asks estate planning lawyer Rod Cunich how best to make this happen.

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Q. Joan*

Can you put certain caveats on a person who is a beneficiary to my will?

My son is 30, has Asperger’s and lives with his father. His mental age is 18 and he doesn’t have any say in how his pension is spent, let alone get any spending money.

I want to leave him a legacy, but I don’t want his father to get his ‘grubby hands’ on it, as I know that my son won’t see any benefit. It will go into ‘consolidated funds’ and won’t be my son’s to do with what he wishes. His father controls all the money going into the household.

I would like to insert a caveat into my will ‘that while my son’s father shall live, my legacy will be held in trust for my son until his father is deceased’. Then the legacy will be transferred to my son. Can this be done? Is it legal?

A. This can be done, but it may deprive your son of necessary benefits until his father dies. It is also likely that your son (prompted by his father) would challenge the will to gain immediate access. It may be better for your will to set up a trust for your son when you pass away. That way, the trust can provide benefits directly to your son on a needs basis without his father controlling the money. 

The big challenge is to find a reliable and trustworthy person to act as trustee to manage the fund for your son. I recommend you see a local estate planning specialist (ask your local law society for a recommendation) and they will be able to assist you.

*Not her real name

 

Rod Cunich is a lawyer with more than 30 years’ experience who specialises in estate planning. If you have a question for Rod, simply email it to: [email protected]

Disclaimer: This information has been provided by Rod Cunich and should be considered general in nature – legal advice should be sought.

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    Think about a Testamentary Trust. It costs a bit to set up and likely some lawyer costs to operate and audit but it keeps those who had their own self interests at heart at bay.
    It probably comes down to the size of your estate. Maybe just put all of your assets in your child’s name late in life and nominate a legal carer if that is possible.

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    Good advice Mick well said she should follow up on this. She doesn’t seem to have much of an opinion of her ex-husband who has obviously been looking after her son for many years and doing the very hard yards. I find it somewhat unusual the father of a child of divorce be granted custody of the said child, unless both parties agreed at the time or the mother was considered irresponsible by the courts. Perhaps a little sour grapes. However both parties should always be working together in the best interest of the child especially in the case of mental health. What do you think ? Cheers Jacka.

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      Jacka

      You live through the experience and tell me that it’s not hard!

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      What SuziJ. ‘Not hard’ for 98% of divorced and separated from their children, who are fathers, not mothers.

      If you really knew fathers, you would know that no value in life even comes close to their children.

      This article is a retrograde in its gender convenience selection.

      And for those a bit slow in the head, a medically and physically disadvantaged child should not be the basis of such an article.

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      I agree gilliam. We don’t know the issues the father may have trying to protect his son from impulsive and dangerous behaviours. There could be very good reasons for keeping funds limited that only the father would know as it appears these two parents are not working together for their son.

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      Gillam, this lady was the primary carer of her son until he left school, so for the first 16 years of his life, the mother was ‘on the scene’. It was the son’s choice to move to far away very small towns to live with his father, not hers.

      The son is now well into his 30s, so he has a say as to where he lives.

      As to the father, he’s very controlling. I knew the couple whilst they were married, so have seen the behaviours first-hand.

      If the father goes first, then the son will have to move to ‘supported’ accommodation in the city where his mother lives. He cannot move in with her, as she has a small unit which would not be big enough for the two of them.

      The article is in no way retrograde in its gender convenience selection, nor is the medically & physically disadvantaged child the basis for the article.

      The article is based on experience of knowing the father very well. They were married for 14 years, and it would have been 40 years late last month that they married.

      When the father stops all contact with the mother, then it’s the father’s fault that the son hasn’t a relationship with the mother, not because of the mother’s choice not to contact the child!

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      Well SuziJ, thanks for the very biased outlook. That outlook is consistent with the overall view of fathers by our Society. Who has been looking after the child. And who after years cannot get over that her son’s preference is looking after the son.

      The largest financial question is what portion of financial contribution has the mother madein the many leading years up to now. I know that via a court it would be less than any any father via any Australian Court system.

      And i can assure you that money would be the least of any father’s concern. The son appears concern 1,2 & 3.

      Really, women. your attitudes are deplorable, along with your Socially obtained authorisation to gain preference in any situation.

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    Too much trouble to look after your son because he is not perfect. And all you can do is have a go at his father. Do them both a favour and stay out of their lives.

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      You don’t know that, Watto. You’re putting an opinion as fact based on no knowledge at all.

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      Watto, Triss is correct. The article cannot have Social reverse. That is what our culture depicts habitually ie the protected species.

      Correct. I have had enough of it.

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      Well, here’s another one who ‘has had enough of it’. It overrides every aspect within our present Society.

      The Social labelling of the male at fault is endless and beyond reparation. Women have initiated this Social and definitive direction and apply the benefits on any and every occasion.

      That same mentality is applied by that protected species on every occasion that they can arrange, or that Society can arrange for them.

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    If Joan thinks that her son is being financially abused, she should consider making an application to the appropriate authority for his (son’s) finances to be managed by The Public Trustee including the management of his current pension.

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      What if his father is doing a good job. Is that out of the question.

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      The father is restricting what the adult son is doing. He’s not letting the son explore any options as to getting a job, moving out to be independent. He was very controlling when he was married to the mother and is now displaying the same behaviour with his son.

      There’s no contact with the mother, as the father restricts all contact. Therefore he’s isolating the son and himself.

      This is from someone who knows the situation very well.

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      Well here we go again. A united ‘father is guilty’ conviction by Miss Elizabeth and SuziJ.

      Sick of it.

      Why isn’t the united ladies, the article (and Society) gender balanced in their outlook and presentation.

      If you need a further example try the imbalance in education outcomes between males and female, after the education framework was re framed and re strutted to suit girls more. than boys.

      Off the track though. Just please consider the main topic which is the disadvantaged boy.

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    Well at least Mick is consistent with current legislation. There male (father) has the character fault until he proves he doesn’t. The wife can lodge character assassination on any unproven basis. The male (white) is wrong. The father is wrong. The mother who does not look after the child which has medical difficulties is correct.

    This article epitomises the Social approach to gender based difficulties.

    WHY IS A FEMALE (MOTHER) NOT DEPICTED AS THE PROBLEM AREA. CAN THE GENDERS BE REVERSED.

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      It was the child’s decision to live with his father, after he completed his ‘formal’ schooling. It wasn’t the mother’s choice that the son move to live with his father!

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      Suzie, what? Remember The boy chose to live with the father. May be the boy knows more than you.

      Your attitude and the article intimation is typical’ reflection of the divorced from Society position, that men live within in today’s progressive Australia.

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    I will add another comment. If the father is the legal carer, how can someone else appoint a trustee.

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    What is wrong with a mental age of 18? I am pretty sure a lot of people are no more than that. He could look after himself in his own place and lead his own life.
    People with Aspergers lead normal lives.
    I did not like the word, ‘grubby,’ either as it says more about her than the father.
    Why does he have custody?
    Household expenditure includes the quality of life he shares with his father.
    Insufficient information has led to other possibilities.
    The money could be used setting the boy up as an adult as well. 18 year old level of understanding is pretty good as I stated.

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      The father doesn’t have ‘custody’. The child decided after his formal schooling that he wanted to live with his father!

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      Do you know what that means SuziJ. It means that by law the sone is of adult age and capable, despite his difficulties of choosing his place of residence. The mother should cease using the boy as a tool.

      And thanks again SuziJ for clearly reviewing the attitude towards fathers, and males, by the present day Australian women.

      What attitude do such women have towards their own father. I will let you know SuziJ, no matter what attitude you have towards father, you father will still love you.

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    Well here we go again – “controlling father”. The controlling father at least has the decency and commitment to looking after a disadvantaged son. What is the character analysis of the controlling mother, wishing to character assassinate the father who is honourably executing his parental commitments.

    Well ‘controlling mothers’ appear more vengeful, and will execute that mentality above the care of a son.

    Why do we repeatedly example of these matters with gender bias, and support of overall degradation of fathers (males) by the vengeful, coveted and covert mothers (females).


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