15th Oct 2018
Research finds energy price rises hitting pensioners hard
Author: Ben Hocking
Energy prices hit pensioners hard

Householders’ income spent on energy in Australia is surging, according to new research commissioned by the Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) and the Brotherhood of St Laurence.

The analysis, conducted by the Australian National University (ANU), investigated the burden of electricity and gas costs for a range of household types in Australia between 2008 and 2018.

The research found some of the lowest income households in Australia spend more than 10 per cent of their incomes on spiralling energy costs. Meanwhile, more affluent households spend significantly less of their income (1.5 per cent) on energy.

Those households whose main source of income is either pensions (such as Age Pension or Disability Support Pension) or other government benefits (such as Carers Allowance) are also spending more of their income on energy. With one in four households on pensions spending more than six per cent of their income on energy, and one in four on ‘other government benefits’ spending more than eight per cent of their income on energy.

Single person households (many of whom are reliant on pensions) spend a higher proportion of their income on electricity and gas than many other household types.

The research also showed that the gap between low and high-income household spending on energy costs has also widened since 2008.

The ACOSS research mirrors the results of YourLifeChoices’recent Retirement Matters survey, which found energy costs were rated as the biggest drain on the savings of retirees.

ACOSS Chief Executive Officer Dr Cassandra Goldie said: “This analysis confirms once again that people on low incomes are doing it the toughest, spending more of their income on the bare essentials.

“Having to pay more of their income on energy is a slap in the face for households already struggling with increasing costs of living, slow wage growth and unemployment.”

Damian Sullivan from the Brotherhood of St Laurence said the rising cost of energy could be potentially fatal for older Australians as we head towards the summer months.

“On those very hot summer days, we know some older people in poor health who need cooling will go without it, just so they can afford to pay their bills,” Mr Sullivan said.

ACOSS and the Brotherhood of St Laurence say policy solutions need to focus not only on reducing energy prices, but also on reducing the size of energy bills and improving capacity to pay for vulnerable households.

Read the full report.

Are you finding it hard to meet the rising cost of energy? Should the Government do more to help pensioners and those on fixed incomes to pay their energy bills?

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    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    10:17am
    This is the problem when people stop working, when they are denied a pension and when bills rise fast. Their limited resources to pay fail.
    This is not just about electricity prices. There's fast rising council rates, fuel costs, the general cost of everyday necessities and a host of others. Of course the 'official' inflation figures are manipulated and not to be believed, having been massaged so that people cannot see that the temperature in the lobster pot is rising. We all nevertheless feel the results: unaffordability.
    jackie
    16th Oct 2018
    11:03am
    MICK...Regulate the utility companies instead of allowing them to rip Australians off.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    11:23am
    The daily access rate is rising and that has nothing to do with energy use, it's just the retailers ripping us off to get rich. Same as Water resources. The cost of hundreds of dollars for infrastructure and just a few tens of dollars for the actual water.

    I'm beginning to object to paying for the infrastructure needed for this rapid population growth. The Government wanted it and should be paying for it not us.

    Might be helping the immigrants to lead better lives but it's certainly making my life less enjoyable.

    Don't see why I should be forced to pay for other people's better lives and businesses better profits.

    We even lost part pensions to help all these other people. Bah Humbug!
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    11:30am
    Some electricity retailers are now not letting your bills go below those daily access charges with your feed in too.
    LUVCO2
    16th Oct 2018
    12:42pm
    Rae wrote "Same as Water resources. The cost of hundreds of dollars for infrastructure and just a few tens of dollars for the actual water."

    You can thank WannbeClimateScientistFlannery & his insane predictions of "permanent drought" in Australia, causing gullible virtue-signalling politicians to lumber Australia with the "infrastructure" of hugely expensive WHITE ELEPHANT desalination plants which chew up vast amounts of money even when they're sitting idle and not producing any water!

    I remember that during the construction of Victoria's white elephant, they had to stop construction due to FLOODING RAINS!!

    Here's an interesting article from 2017 ... Victorians will be paying $8 MILLION annually for desalinated water EVEN IF THE DAMS ARE FULL!!!
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http:%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Fsecret-desal-deal-8m-bill-for-annual-minimum-water-order%2Fnews-story%2F001a98adb6e79358185ccfc06f9329de&memtype=anonymous

    Greenie/leftie/warmists are totally insane!
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    1:38pm
    Labor plans to raise GST to 15%
    Just imagine the burden on pensioners and self funded retirees
    Add to that removal of franking credits - double whammy
    Cowboy Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    1:50pm
    A help would be exempting the GST from power bills for full time pensioners (I am not one of them). Quite happy with my bills so far, 2 of us and we look after power consumption and pay about $3 a day without air con; of that is $1.50 service fee.
    Petrol is another matter and that is where the real hurt comes from for people living further out. I live in the middle of things and do no longer really need a car apart from a major shopping trip. The GST going to 15% is probably waiting for us, has done that in New Zealand and other places. Ireland has gone to 23% for unnecessary items and 18% for the stuff one needs.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:27pm
    Yes Olbaid and the LNP want that as well. Just tax the easy targets while giving business tax cuts. This tax on consumers is just another form of Corporate welfare.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    3:32pm
    Agree Rae they both want to raise it as it is such an easy tax to collect.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    4:46pm
    Yes Rae. Not too long ago raising the GST was up for 'discussion' by the LNP. Just like selling off the ABC was against brought up as a 'discussion' point a week ago.
    The current government WILL increase the GST and WILL sell the ABC off (Rupert???) if is re-elected. Bet on it. Not sure how Labor will go but hopefully it will claw back the tax cuts for wealthy Australians. The mates club.
    OlderandWiser
    20th Oct 2018
    7:48am
    Cowboy Jim, why should pensioners get all the benefits funded by taxpayers and self-funded retirees who are struggling to preserve savings genuinely needed for anticipated future expenses are just left to drain their savings for no benefit to them, and worse off than if they hadn't saved. It's a stupid notion to suggest we should make pensions so attractive that only the filthy rich want to be self-funded. We will end up with hundreds of thousands more aged pensioners and a massive taxpayer burden that is intolerable.

    If there are to be exemptions, they should be for ALL retirees, or income-tested. Likewise, there should be no assets test but ONLY income and fair deeming tests, with concessions in certain circumstances. If people go without to save, they should be able to benefit from those savings. If they are able to generate a healthy income, fine, but if they are not able to, they should be treated accordingly - not denied all benefit from having sacrificed to save in the first place.
    OlderandWiser
    20th Oct 2018
    8:06am
    I despise the LNP, but this is my problem with Labor. They want to make self-funded retirees so poor that nobody but the very rich would ever want to retire with more than the minimum. They have declared that even the wealthiest pensioners (and there are many who ARE wealthy but manipulate to qualify) should keep franking credits, but the even poorest self-funded retirees - regardless of circumstances and potential change in their circumstances - should NEVER get franking credits ever again.

    In other words, the punishment for doing what past governments said we should all do because it was good for the nation and good for us is that you lose thousands of dollars of annual income for the rest of your life. But if you were just a little more of a spendthrift, or plunged your wealth into a huge home, or lied about being separated from your partner (living in a $2 million house with bedroom wings at either end), you are rewarded very generously from the taxpayer purse - with TRIPLE benefits (pension + concessions + franking credits).

    Oh, sorry, I forgot! The taxpayer can't afford to subsidize the retirement of self-funded retirees. They can ONLY afford to give five or ten times as much to everyone who manipulated to get a pension before a random date, because paying $40K+ a year to keep a pensioner (when concessions and admin costs are counted) is WAY cheaper than giving an SFR a miserable $5,000 a year tax break, isn't it?

    How could anyone with even one tiny brain cell vote for a moron who claims paying $40K+ a year to a retired couple is more affordable than giving the $5000 a year in tax breaks to help them continue to be self-funded? But then, that lying moron claimed people were getting ''millions'' in credits and paying no tax because their money was in pension-phase super. Again, can't do basic math. You can't have more than $1.6 million in tax-free pension phase, so it's simply not possible to get more than about $30,000 in franking credits and that would be an astonishing amount.

    We are left to choose between lying mongrel schemers who want the poor to subsidize the wealthy and foreign powers and lying mongrel idiots who want to make work and saving pointless and create a nation of leaners. Both lots are hopelessly inept, self-serving, and bad for the country. And then there's a bunch of deluded fools in minor parties or as independents who are equally brainless and couldn't achieve anything even if they had a bright idea because the two-party system thwarts them.
    maxchugg
    21st Oct 2018
    8:31am
    Mick, you appear to be are always ready to speak for the poor, even though your correspondence indicates that you yourself are quite unfamiliar with poverty, to say the least.

    You complain about rising costs for all manner of items, ignoring the fact that most are CPI linked, energy being the main exception where the price has been rapidly rising and reliability going in the opposite direction.

    Electricity has increased by at least 50% in the last decade, the pension has risen by around 25% - there’s most of the problem! Add to this the increases in the other costs of which you complain, all obviously related to increased energy costs.

    Yet another problem that you fail to take into account is the increase in unemployment, an outcome of our manufacturing industries moving to Asia where energy is much cheaper because it is made by burning coal from Australia. By some perverted process of logic, it is accepted fact that Australian coal, burned in Australia, will add to atmospheric carbon dioxide, but will have no effect if burned in Asia.

    You continue to assert that renewable energy is cheaper than that obtained from coal, the facts tell a different story. With renewable energy has come massive price increases and South Australia leading the charge as the first of the states to experience a total power blackout. Other states will follow and better excuses than blaming a storm will be needed. Multi billion power batteries won't provide long term, affordable protection either.

    Finally, the question which rises is what is all the suffering for? The Chief Scientist was asked what climatic effect would be achieved if Australia went to zero carbon dioxide emissions and his reply was practically nothing. Try to find that interview on the internet – it’s not there for obvious reasons!
    Not a Bludger
    16th Oct 2018
    10:30am
    Where o’ where is my Giddy Aunt - do we really have to give my taxpayers money to rent seeking groups like this to fund so- called research to tell us the “ bleeding obvious”?
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    11:26am
    Obviously we do. All those groups asking loaded questions and writing reports costing millions to pretend they have found the answer the government wants.

    I'm pretty much over it as well. They never do state the obvious reason for all this extra cost.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    4:49pm
    A bit like Industry Superannuation Funds. The current government wants to stack the Boards with their rich top end of town folk to bleed them dry under the guise of accountability. The fact that they are doing so well seems to be of no consequence.
    We need less 'research' and much fewer bureaucrats. Most simply bleed average workers of money and services.
    Travellersjoy
    16th Oct 2018
    10:37am
    Gas prices in particular, are a killer, but, as Mick says, pensions do NOT keep pace with cost of living increases, because we have a government that thinks its corporate mates don't owe a duty to contribute to Australia anything proportionate to the profits they take out.

    The whole country could be put up for sale by the current mob, and all those people with a slave mentality will vote for them anyway.
    jackie
    16th Oct 2018
    11:05am
    Travellersjoy...What does it tell you when people in Asian countries pay less for Australian gas than Australians? The Government must be making big money from this rip off to be turning a blind eye to it all.
    Misty
    16th Oct 2018
    11:20am
    I cannot see anything different happening under this COALition Govt.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    12:18pm
    If you think gas prices will get cheaper under a Labor government think again.
    Troubadour
    16th Oct 2018
    3:58pm
    Can't see how you have managed that - your electricity bills being
    less than 10 years ago!! When you were probably working 10 years ago and not home as much therefore not using as much electricity.
    That's the killer for us pensioners we are home more and have to keep warm or cool - thereby using our electricity more.
    At least over East you have choices for you provider - in the West we only have the one for electricity - but 3/4 for gas.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    4:53pm
    Correct Travellersjoy. Gas prices are however predominantly the fault of the Howard coalition government. Howard rubber stamped the sale of the third biggest LNG deposit to offshore investors for a (pitiful) handful of silver. That was supposed to be my retirement nest egg.
    If we had our own gas we could pick and choose who we sold it to whilst supplying Australians with cheap energy for a century to come. Howard sold us out. The current batch of Howard left overs are continuing to sell out the country with no end in sight.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    4:55pm
    Sold at market price Mick
    The proceeds of which paid down labnor debt and rest invested in future fund
    Returning us 8% p.a. compounded for future fund and billions in corporate tax, income tax and payroll tax
    not to mention thousands of jobs
    DUH !!!
    Wstaton
    16th Oct 2018
    5:27pm
    yes sold t a low market price olbaid.

    The other thing amazes me. The future fund was set up for as follows.

    The Future Fund is an independently managed sovereign wealth fund into which the Australian Government deposits funds to meet the its future liabilities for the payment of superannuation to retired civil servants of the Australian Public Service.

    returning 8% you say.

    Well it is a pity that the current Super scheme were weren't set up the same way.

    Just then all those super contributions going into a government run scheme with a compounded return of 8% without all the financial ripoffs currently going on.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    6:04pm
    olbaid - flogged off for almost nix and no royalties collected for years. That equals sold out! By Howard and the current lot of disreputable misfits masquerading as servants of the state.............which they are not.
    Debt? Labor rules during the GFC and left a debt of $158 billion. THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT has run up a debt of $600 billion with NO GFC IN SIGHT. The only thing Australia has to show for your government is huge debt, Royal Commissions to destabilise Labor and unions, tax cuts for rich electoral donors and a destroyed NBN. What a legacy.

    You have a real hide posting your dishonest crap olbaid/OG. YLC needs to disconnect you!
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    11:06am
    My electricity bills are a lot cheaper today than they were 10 years ago.
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Oct 2018
    11:16am
    Then you are the exception.
    sunnyOz
    16th Oct 2018
    2:47pm
    OG - then you must be off gallivanting around the world too much...
    I have kept a detailed spreadsheet over the years of all power bills and charges. Usage has been consistent, but as well as unit rates rising like a Tsunami, it is the service fees that are the killers. My service charge has increased (over the past 9 years) - from $21.82 to latest bill - $163.43. That is an increase of around 750%.
    Even with discounts I can scrounge, the charges for both meter's has gone up exponentially. Meter A - from total per quarter average 9 years ago of $76.45 to $249.81. Meter B - from $22.46 to $243.51.
    Having worked for a large company where I was in charge of staff housing costs, I know of no-one where electricity bills have got cheaper - unless they are not in the house for long periods.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:30pm
    That is the hundreds of retailers all running expensive offices and bonuses for salespeople etc plus whatever lurks and perks the CEOs get. Just one retailer should have been sufficient and in fact if it had been publicly owned some control could have been held over the generators.
    Misty
    16th Oct 2018
    4:43pm
    OG makes no sense, either he has enough solar to go off grid or he is never home, perhaps touring the country in a caravan.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    4:54pm
    Blatant liar OG. I still have electricity bills from 10 years ago and the cost has gone up in multiples, not percentages. Good try.
    Old Geezer
    20th Oct 2018
    6:04pm
    Mick I have my power bills from 10 years ago to and pay less today than I did 10 years ago. I use a lot less than I did 10 years ago now with LED lights and low power appliances.
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Oct 2018
    11:14am
    What else can we expect under the Lieberal bastards currently governing us? Those mongrels are more interested in looking after their mates in the energy sector. typical of them that the poor and those on fixed incomes suffer more than the wealthy (their constituency).
    OlderandWiser
    20th Oct 2018
    7:39am
    I agree, Knows-a-lot. Unfortunately, Labor intend to make things much worse. You should be very afraid of the consequences of their idiotic policy ideas. And minors and independents are either clueless or powerless or both! There's not much hope while we have this ridiculous two-party system and a bunch of greedy morons in control.
    Misty
    16th Oct 2018
    11:18am
    Do you live in a tent OG?.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    11:26am
    No I couldn't afford the heating and cooling living in a tent.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    4:54pm
    North Shore of Sydney Misty.
    Old Geezer
    20th Oct 2018
    5:58pm
    North Shore of Sydney is miles away from where I live. I live where everyone else goes for holidays that's how good I is here.
    Cheezil61
    16th Oct 2018
    11:43am
    Current govt wants to look after big business & push wages down & neglect rises in pension or newstart payments so people are falling behind in living standards & thus not being able to cope with rising costs. No surprises -just a shame they don't even care about these stats!about people going hungry ! Put those greedy ooli's in pensioner shoes for a year or so & see if there's change!
    Cheezil61
    16th Oct 2018
    11:46am
    Correction;
    *Shame they dont care about these stats about people going hungry! Put these greedy poli's in pensioner shoes for a year or so & see if there's change!
    KB
    16th Oct 2018
    12:00pm
    Mick and Jackie and Mick People should not have to make choices between paying for bilsl or going hungry. Not eating properly causes people to become unwell and then end up needing medical care. Never ending cycle
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    4:56pm
    Hunger is what brought on the French Revolution. We need one of those here for despotic governments working for industry interests rather than the nation.
    LUVCO2
    16th Oct 2018
    12:29pm
    Interesting that this "research" doesn't list the primary cause of skyrocketing electricity rates ....being INTERMITTENT, UNRELIABLE, EXPENSIVE, MASSIVELY SUBSIDISED RENEWABLES!

    Electricity rates in Australia were low and falling until about 2005 when gullible, virtue signalling politicians fell for the UN's "globalwarming®"fraud and began forcing renewables down Australian throats, causing electricity rates to begin their steeply increasing trajectory.

    Of course the politicians & leftie/greenie/warmist hangers-on LIED & blamed this on "gold plating the network", ignoring the fact that electricity rates ALWAYS skyrocket whenever renewables are introduced.

    The same thing happened in "globalwarming®-renewables"-obsessed California where electricity prices rose three times more in 2017 than they did in the rest of the United States!
    They also LIED about the cause .... https://junkscience.com/2009/07/electricity-projected-to-skyrocket-in-georgia-under-carbon-law/

    They also lied about the cause in the UK as well .... https://twitter.com/ILuvCO2/status/545384495625428992/photo/1

    The unavoidable fact is that there is no country on Earth with lots of solar & wind power together with cheap electricity!! It's an impossibility!

    Of course leftie/greenie activists continue to LIE that renewables are "cheap" such as in this case whrere they were forced to retract a LIE of a renewables "50% discount" in the UK recently.

    And of course our misanthropic leftie/warmist friends regard the millions of premature deaths worldwide due to a lack of access to cheap energy as "collateral damage" in their insane "war against coal" http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/05/lack-of-access-to-fossil-fuels-causing.html?m=1
    It's likely part of their hidden agenda to cull global population to "sustainable" levels!

    And of course the leftie/warmists ignore the massive pollution caused by the maufacture of renewables components ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350811/In-China-true-cost-Britains-clean-green-wind-power-experiment-Pollution-disastrous-scale.html

    This push for renewables has a well hidden agenda, because the quickest way to kill off large numbers of people is through ENERGY POVERTY, and they're succeeding!

    Europe Lets Its Citizens Freeze To Death …40,000 Dead In Winter 2014 As “Energy Poverty” Explodes!
    http://notrickszone.com/2016/03/29/europe-lets-its-citizens-to-freeze-to-death-40000-dead-in-winter-2014-as-energy-poverty-explodes/

    Their high priest Paul Erhlich summed up their strategy very well ....
    "Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be equivalent to giving an idiot child a machine gun"

    Which also neatly explains why leftie/greenies are dead set against “zero emissions” nuclear power because it would provide cheap, abundant power without “evil” trace gas, plant food CO2 emissions!
    GeorgeM
    16th Oct 2018
    1:11pm
    Lots of good points, time the pendulum swung back the other way and we get cheap, reliable energy! Australia has the largest energy resources in the world, yet our politicians have stuffed us up in this as in many other matters.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    1:44pm
    Correct luvco2
    No one wants to admit the real reason
    Hopefully Scott Morrison last government will fix the problem
    Misty
    16th Oct 2018
    4:46pm
    George and olbaid would you both be happy to have a Nuclear Power Station in your town?.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    4:48pm
    Misty - I definitely would have no problems with it,
    Clean and cheap energy . I'd sign up in a heartbeat with any company selling power from a nuclear plant
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    4:57pm
    More propaganda crap from the coal industry. No surprise to see olbaid running the government propaganda. Worthless!
    Wstaton
    16th Oct 2018
    5:43pm
    LUVCO2. Heck not another Climate Change Denier.

    Tell that to the polar bears, The pacific islanders and more.
    KSS
    16th Oct 2018
    12:49pm
    So how much did this piece of research cost to tell us what we already know and have known for the last decade? The University of the Bleeding Obvious!
    GeorgeM
    16th Oct 2018
    1:12pm
    Yes, ACOSS needs to be de-funded!

    16th Oct 2018
    1:41pm
    Labor has plans to raise the GST to 15% and broaden the range of goods and services to include food and banking
    Add that to their idiotic franking credit removal and you have complete disaster for pensioners and self funded retirees
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:36pm
    Can't include banking as that would be like the transaction tax everyone says is so very very bad because rich people might have to finally pay a bit of tax.

    A 15% broad based tax will throw us into recession, crucify the tax base and kill off a pile of businesses.

    It'll be more than just a disaster for pensioners and the self funded.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    3:44pm
    Common sense has never stopped labor before. Shorten is worse than previous labor leaders
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:01pm
    Rae - I always find the right interesting. I noticed recently they were ranting "Class warfare' to Labor when the government is running a blatant class war. First shot over the bow TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY. Next shot over the bow COMPANY TAX CUTS for the same people. If re-elected this will be a done deal.

    15% GST? This has been leaked from this lot several times. THEY want it but the trolls like olbaid claim that Labor is intending to bring this policy in. Yeah right.
    Rae
    17th Oct 2018
    8:23am
    Wouldn't surprise me MICK if Labor did bring it in. Labor has no sympathy for self funded retirees or savers of any type. They see them as "wealthy" and fair game. Remember it was Labor who slammed single mothers and who voted with the LNP to get a lot of nasty legislation away in the past few years.

    I don't think you can trust either party now.
    floss
    16th Oct 2018
    2:15pm
    What a blunder to ever sell Transgrid and the price paid by these overseas countries was roughly half its true worth.There is much more about this sale the public will never know.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    2:54pm
    Stop spreading falsehoods floss
    Prove it or retract your statement as a blatant labor lie
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:39pm
    NSW spent $16 billion to get a $13 billion sale over the line and the Chinese Government owners are subsidising Chinese factory electricity through our high prices. This is the sort of stuff Trump is furious about.

    The Privatisation fiasco deserves a Royal Commission so heads can roll.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    3:42pm
    Rubbish Rae . Absolujte rubbish
    Misty
    16th Oct 2018
    4:50pm
    Poor olbaid, can't bear to think his beloved Coaliton could be responsible for any stuff ups and can't bear to be proved wrong.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    4:52pm
    Rae and floss havent proved anything. They just post b/s . Typical labor b/s
    no facts just propaganda

    And you wonder why most Aussies think you lefties cant be trusted
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:03pm
    Correct floss. This government will sell almost anything to offshore investors. Have a look at who bought much of our prized real estate and farming land. The Chinese?
    This is not propaganda. Its intent and behaviour from this crooked government....the reason it has to go.
    Rae
    17th Oct 2018
    8:26am
    It appears Telstra is in trouble as well from using too much of the profit base to pay out dividends. Seeing you can't even ring them easily and their shops have hours long queues I'm not surprised people are walking away in droves. Wonder how much was saved by moving the call centre to Manila. Was it worth destroying the Corporation I wonder?
    Rae
    17th Oct 2018
    8:31am
    You can look it up Olbaid it's well documented. Don't forget the sales of our Ports to the Chinese Government either and how the port fees have gone up and up since adding to the cost of imports. The LNP deliberately destroyed Australian Maritime because it was unionised. They'll destroy the Country in their hatred of the unions. Rampant ideology causing madness.

    Cutting off your nose to spite your face crap. Neither the LNP or ALP give a rat's about the ordinary people.
    musicveg
    16th Oct 2018
    3:20pm
    Looks like there is a new right wing troll on YLC with the comments from LUVCO2, his/her names says it all.
    The only thing keeping electricity prices up is GREED, simply that.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    3:30pm
    No musicveg - its labor and greens obsession with renewables
    Prices are high becaUse producing energy with renewables is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:41pm
    Overseas shareholders and Governments are pretty greedy as well and the Government has lost control. This was a dumb policy Olbaid. Your LNP hasn't done everything right neither. This electricity sell off was wrong and even they know it.
    musicveg
    16th Oct 2018
    3:48pm
    NO quite the opposite it is cheaper to build renewables than new coal powered power stations. And by 2020 renewables will be cheaper.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/01/13/renewable-energy-cost-effective-fossil-fuels-2020/#75306ea34ff2
    LUVCO2
    16th Oct 2018
    4:35pm
    music wrote"NO quite the opposite it is cheaper to build renewables"

    HUH?
    INCONVENIENT FACT!!
    So why is there no country on Earth with lots of renewables and cheap electricity??????????

    California is a stark example, their renewables obsession has givne them by far the most expensive electricty in the US!!
    And they lie about the cause of course ...
    California electricity prices rose three times more in 2017 than they did in the rest of the United States!
    They also LIED about the cause .... https://junkscience.com/2009/07/electricity-projected-to-skyrocket-in-georgia-under-carbon-law/
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:05pm
    Yes musicveg but likely one of the other right wing posters under another name. OG and olbaid appear to be one in the same and not sure who LUVCO2 belongs to. What I do know is he is cutting and pasting long spiels of propaganda. Lies on steroids. He needs to be cut. Where are you YLC????????
    Rae
    17th Oct 2018
    8:34am
    Lot's of BHP shareholders and similar out there with $$$$ to lose if emission taxes etc get up. Lots of backers of Adani going to lose out as well if it doesn't go ahead. Big money tends to motivate some people to ignore all sorts of inconvenient truths.
    musicveg
    18th Oct 2018
    2:34am
    http://econews.com.au/58755/power-prices-driven-down-by-record-renewable-energy-surge/

    This article talks about renewables lowering prices and will continue to push prices down.
    Noodles
    19th Oct 2018
    12:39pm
    Just get used to high prices while we go down the path of renewables and also be prepared for power outages.
    Old Geezer
    20th Oct 2018
    5:59pm
    Outages are already happening.
    Maxyboy
    16th Oct 2018
    3:28pm
    I notice that many are blaming selling off of power lines and poles the problem. Qld retained them but have the dearest power in Australia.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    3:30pm
    Renewables re the problem and there is no profit in having excess power generated.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    3:31pm
    Proof that the private sector provides cheaper goods and services . Government owned corporations are bloated and inefficient .
    You will pay more in the long run as infrastructure turns obsolete or past used by date
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:43pm
    Not those Chinese ones we keep selling all our assets to obviously Olbaid. Maybe Communists just do it better or something.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:07pm
    The purchasers of the poles and wires may yet get a very nasty surprise. If batteries go up in storage capacity and down in prices guess what many Australians will do? Put in a large battery bank connected to a 15 kW solar array and disconnect from the grid. I'm waiting for the day. Give it 10 years. Then nobody needs the poles and wires any more as we'll be able to store a week worth of energy.
    DINGOPOO
    16th Oct 2018
    3:47pm
    OLD GEEZER, IF YOUR POWER COSTS ARE LESS THAN TEN YEARS AGO, YOU ARE LIVING IN A TENT, OR YOU ARE AN EX POLITITION WHO PENSION OUT PERFORMS RISING COSTS. OTHERWISE YOUR JUST A FUCKWIT GOVERNMENT STOOGE.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    3:55pm
    Totally unnecessary comment. Language typical of a leftie greenie leaner
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    3:59pm
    No I can assure you I still live in the same house but I did change all the lights to LEDs.

    By the way it would cost too much in heating and air conditioning to live in a tent.

    Me a pollie hah ha not for what it pays.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:09pm
    The language needs a tweak DINGOPOO but you are correct. I called OG out on his lie above and have the bills from 10 years ago to prove it. OG is a liar and as I keep saying......is one of several posters running government propaganda.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    9:20pm
    My power bills are less than half what they were 10 years ago as I just looked them up. I have replaced all my lights with LEDs and all my appliances are now ones with good energy ratings as the old ones have worn out and I needed new ones. Not too sure about my new inverter microwave though as it drives me nuts with its cool down cycle.
    Rae
    17th Oct 2018
    8:39am
    The son's bills went down over a third on buying solar panels. He's about to add another array which will take off another third of the cost.

    Other son works on the land and they are slowly replacing all pumps with solar and adding arrays to farm sheds for power off grid.

    Changing over from old appliances and lights can lower bills as can being very careful to always turn everything off at the point and not to run lights etc when not being used.
    Noodles
    19th Oct 2018
    12:41pm
    our electricity bills for the last twelve months total just under $600...but we do not pay service charges where we live.
    Misty
    19th Oct 2018
    1:07pm
    Mine was $1200.00 for 3 months but we live in the Snowy Mntns and need a lot of heating in the winter, we do have 24 solar panels but the credit we get for that is minimal, around $90.00 average per quarter.
    OlderandWiser
    20th Oct 2018
    7:37am
    OG tells big whoppers. Ignore him. Nothing he says is believable. In this thread, he claims he wouldn't be a politician for what they are paid, but in another he claimed he was 'not well off''. Well if a politician's pay isn't enough for him, he's more than ''well off''. Of course, elsewhere he's boasted endlessly about his wealth. Then there was the crap about his private medical insurance. Naturally he won't name the mythical fund that pays for everything.

    His dishonesty even extends to stealing Christmas hampers intended for needy people. How low can you go? But then, he denies that real need exists. According to him, anyone who is doing it tough is automatically a gambler, spendthrift, and totally irresponsible.

    He lives in la la land and treats the rest of us like complete fools, expecting us to believe the biggest load of BS ever published.
    OlderandWiser
    20th Oct 2018
    7:43am
    Misty, I'm no expert on solar but if your credit from 24 panels is only $90 a quarter average, it seems to me something is very wrong and your system needs inspection. Solar works on light, not heat. It can generate quite successfully in very cold places. And 24 panels should give you a better credit than that. Or maybe it's your supplier not paying a fair rate? Well, none of the rates in NSW are fair, but some suppliers pay a little more than others.
    Misty
    20th Oct 2018
    10:11am
    OGR we don't have that many sunny days here in the winter and the solar panels on our roof could have worked better if the roof design was different but we had to go with the best we could, so they don't get as much light as if the roof design had been different. I have checked all the energy suppliers in our area and got the best deal I could get, having shift workers living with me doesn't help our energy bills when they are up most of the night, cooking, watching TV etc.
    DINGOPOO
    16th Oct 2018
    3:52pm
    TO LOVE CO2 LIKE.
    DINGOPOO
    16th Oct 2018
    4:04pm
    0LBAID YOUR A BIGGER FUCKWIT THAN OLD GEEZER, YOU MUST BE SHARING THE SAME BED.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    4:07pm
    You must be a bogan !

    By the way , Old Geezer and I live thousands of miles from each other.

    Get an education son, might improve your thinking and manners
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:11pm
    Only you olbaid. I agree with DINGOPOO.
    You and OG post the same lies. Stick to facts and make accusations you can prove. That way you get credibility. You have none!
    DINGOPOO
    16th Oct 2018
    4:19pm
    OLBAID YOU AND THE GEEZER MIGHT LIVE THOUSANDS OF MILES FROM EACH OTHER [how did you know that] DOE'S NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE BOTH FUCKWITS, AND SLEEPING TOGETHER, YOU SHOULD TRY A FEMALE.UNLIKE YOU I DON'T NEED A HIGHER EDUCATION TO SPOT A LIBERAL FUCKWIT OR TWO.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    4:21pm
    Becasue I know where I live - youre such a moron. Maybe too hard for your poor little bogan brain
    prolly inbred

    yep knew it - youre a leaner , dont worry centerlink paycheck arrives soon and you can refill your beer fridge
    DINGOPOO
    16th Oct 2018
    4:30pm
    OLBAID I KNEW IT ALL ALONG YOU HAVE NO ANSWER TO A PERSON THAT KNOWS YOUR PROFILE. I CAN'T KEEP CALLING YOU A FUCKWIT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY, BUT HOW DO I FIND ANOTHER NAME FOR A FUCKWIT, IMPOSSIBLE.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:11pm
    Errr....yes.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    5:18pm
    I see Labor HQ has resorted to employing bogans to try and stifle free speech.

    Keep trying boys - you can't stop people from posting true facts to counter your labor propaganda
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    5:58pm
    The main bogans on this website are those who post Liberal Party lies and propaganda olbaid.
    Stick to the truth and you'll do well son. But of course this government does not have the truth in it. Neither do you.
    floss
    16th Oct 2018
    7:35pm
    Allbad I worked for a Government power transmitter for some 35years and I think I may know a little more about the subject than you.I may also add you are just a fool.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    8:41pm
    That explains a lot floss

    1. your left leaning views. most public servants are lefties. They support big government and so they can work for enormous pays with zero accountability for performance

    2. your strange view that public sector can produce anything efficiently and cheaply compared to private sector

    3. you inability to understand basic economics what more the economics, whole of life costs and reinvestment costs in power generation

    4. your name calling and inability to address me by by avatar name - rude and childish
    Rae
    17th Oct 2018
    8:44am
    Boy I do wish the new private owners of the grid would prove they can produce more efficiently and cheaper. They are failing Private enterprise and neo liberalism with this failure to be cheaper or more efficient. Also ports, toll roads, telecoms airports etc. All much more expensive and inefficient. It is not supposed to be like this .
    Charlie
    16th Oct 2018
    10:28pm
    Well the accommodation available to people on low income is usually an older building with no modern insulation. Consequently the building costs more to heat or cool.

    Forty years ago it was acceptable to build these little boxes and put wall air conditioners in them. Sitting in them with heat radiation from the ceiling and cold air from the wall was preferable to extreme heat or cold.

    Then the price of electricity went up making it necessary to pay more attention to building design again, but people on low income still have to rent the air conditioned box.


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