12th Dec 2017
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Water bills are set to double
Author: Ben Hocking
Water bills are set to double

Water bills could more than double by 2040 unless steps are taken to reform Australia’s urban water, Infrastructure Australia Chief Executive Philip Davies has warned.

Mr Davies said fundamental changes must be made to the governance and regulation of Australia’s urban water markets.

"Unless we act now, we will soon start to experience rising water bills, high taxes or a decline in service quality," Mr Davies said.

Modelling commissioned by Infrastructure Australia shows that without action a typical residential water and sewerage bill could be higher than $2500 in today’s money by 2040.

The urban water sector has a strong track record of providing clean and safe water to more than 20 million people. But the ageing infrastructure which it relies on is costly to maintain and is being put under further strain by climate change and our growing and changing cities.

"If Australians want continued access to safe, reliable and affordable water in the future, we need to begin a staged approach to reforming the sector now – starting with a new national urban water reform plan," Mr Davies said.

Mr Davies said that while reforms of this scale will take time to be rolled out, it is important that our governments get on with the task of initiating reforms now.

"Across Australia many of our dams are relatively full, which gives us a rare window of opportunity for clear thinking and long-term planning to meet our future needs,” he said.

"Now is the time for governments to get on with the job of bringing urban water policy, regulation and governance up to speed so that it can meet the changing needs of Australians in the 21st century," Mr Davies said.

Infrastructure Australia has recommended improvements to long-term planning and pricing frameworks, and enhanced collaboration between regulators.

Read Infrastructure Australia’s full report on urban water services.

Are you worried about the rising cost of utilities? Could you afford to pay an annual water bill of $2500? What would that mean for your retirement budget?

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    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    10:05am
    Propaganda to prepare us for rises they've got planned from another political appointee in the pocket of the government bent on raping us of every spare cent.

    We already pay two thirds of our water bill here (having come off tank water) for 'connection' - meaning that two thirds is supposed to go to infrastructure maintenance and upgrading.... at least in part... they already get enough.

    Instead it goes to padding the super fund for the shiny-arsed office boys and girls they employ, new cars, fine income packages, and so forth, rather than solid work on behalf of the people.

    You could also add that the flow-on (sic) effect from raped power costs plays a part in maintaining pressure in the system.... when power goes up it costs more to move water.... funny how that works.... same with everything else that goes through the roof. When the trucks have to use 'private roads' and pay tolls, that adds to the cost as well... many other things apply such as rising costs of earning a living/forced to use toll roads etc/rising costs for train fares = upward pressure on incomes..... you may say that each of this is relatively small in itself, but the cumulative effect in every way is relentless, since each has a 'flow-on effect'.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2017
    11:43am
    Blame labor
    Rudd should have spent our billions on upgrading infrastructure instead of pissing it in the wind
    MICK
    13th Dec 2017
    11:56am
    Typical government sponsored response Raphael. You sound just like the PM and his nasty nasty attacks on Labor...whilst the crooked behaviour of his side is acceptable.

    I pretty well agree Trebor. Of course infrastructure needs to be updated and I can acknowledge that the pipes in SYdney have been on the brink of failure for decades. This is a genuine issue.
    The issue I have with government, any government, involvement in providing services is that they seem to have become commercial enterprises where CEO are on the same merry go round as their commercial cousins. Pegging salaries seems to have gone by the way and consumers are the sacrificial lambs whether they can pay or otherwise.
    If water gets too pricy I'll disconnect and use my own water. Electricity is already heading that way and only thing stopping me is the current price of batteries. When these fall the coal industry can p*ss off as I will put at least one nail in that coffin and hope that my fellow Australians will follow suit if they can afford the investment.
    It is a sign of our society that big business is taking over. The want it all, including slaves as employees, Its an interesting new world. We'll survive the holocaust before people wake up to who they vote for but I suspect average people will need more pain before they abandon both sides of politics and do what sections of Europe does: vote for Independents who are not puppets for the top end of town.
    We live in a world in a state of flux so hang onto your seats.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    13th Dec 2017
    4:20pm
    For heavens sake, Raphael, stop sounding like a stupid LNP politician - capable of NOTHING other than blaming Labor for everything. The LNP has wasted far more than Rudd could possibly waste in 50 lifetimes!
    Knows-a-lot
    13th Dec 2017
    4:59pm
    Blame the Lieberals. They spend little on infrastructure at the best of times.
    George
    13th Dec 2017
    11:36pm
    Liberals would rather spend Billions on replacing perfectly good stadiums such as their recently proposed plan in Sydney - wonder if the construction companies are giving back (to the Liberals)?

    This is the beginning of a push for Privatisation of the only public utility which actually works efficiently and increases prices within CPI - how can the politicians & greedy companies let this continue?
    Agree with MICK - vote for Independents and vote last in preferences all current sitting Liberal, Labor & Greens seat-warmers - they need a real shake-up to start thinking about the people.
    Rae
    13th Dec 2017
    10:15am
    The hiving off of our water resources into Water Corporations instead of under the old Council umbrella has paved the way for privatisation of the water resources.

    Foreign Corporations have a track record of selling water from third world countries to the highest bidders, in this case probably China.

    Once privatised and in foreign hands the costs will escalate higher than $2400 a year.

    No different than roads, electricity, fuel, medical, education etc. Once in private hands only the wealthy will be able to afford water.

    The UK was a perfect example of how selling water can become a nightmare for the poor and those on fixed incomes.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    10:40am
    Short of People Power, how do we stop this rot, Rae?
    Rae
    13th Dec 2017
    3:33pm
    This one we may have to fight TREBOR.

    I know most Australians are apathetic and often don't complain until the fat lady is singing but as with electricity we will be told. I still see one of those union signs warning about electricity prices at the netball high on a pole.

    People power really is the only way. It's tiring them into action that is the hard part.

    If the water is sold then tanks will be the only solution for those who can afford them.
    AutumnOz
    13th Dec 2017
    6:56pm
    Once upon a time every house in the suburbs had a water tank which was very useful in keeping most the storm water out of the water pipes and keeping the gardens growing even when there was no rain for weeks on end.
    These days it is only those in rural areas who have tanks as it is their only water supply for the family.
    The comments about the dangers of using water from tanks for household use are already circulating, describing in grim detail all the nasties that lurk in the water tanks just waiting to make everyone sick who uses the water.
    I've lived on tank water all my life without any problems, the only time water has caused problems for me was in the city with all the chlorine and other rubbish used to"purify" the drinking water.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    13th Dec 2017
    9:22pm
    Likewise, AutumnOz. And my kids never had fluoride in their water but have perfect teeth. Our council banned tanks and made everyone take them out and dump them, but then they ruled that everyone had to have one and we all had to put them in again, but only for gardens, toilets and laundry. It's not permitted to use tank water in the kitchen or for bathing or teeth cleaning. And there is connection fee just to have the water on, so even if you use very little you still pay a lot. Might have to move back to a rural property where they aren't constantly telling you how to run your life and charging an arm and a leg for your compliance.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2017
    5:42pm
    My thoughts exaccery, Rainey.... might move back bush....
    Cruzisuzi
    13th Dec 2017
    10:19am
    Water is Australia's most precious commodity. I think we all know that. Already the government is charging farmers for rainwater they collect in their dams built at their own expense. The Queensland government is talking about gifting billions of litres of water to adani for a mine the majority Australian population does not want! The government is also pursuing the so called benefits of fracking by holding "enquiries" into the risks of such activities that threaten our water reservoirs. Overseas experience of fracking has proved the risks are real and they are dicing with clean water supplies into the future. The protective casing they use through which chemicals are forced will gradually deteriorate with time and release the chemicals into our water reservoirs permanently!! Our government is relentless in its attempts to force us into accepting this diabolical risk, what they see in the short term is financial gain and the empty promise to bring our budget into surplus during the term of this government is just another furphy. We need a government who has the wisdom to look into our long term future, stop selling us out, increase production and manufacturing, stop turning us into a third world country and keep our precious water safe for future generations!
    PlanB
    13th Dec 2017
    10:27am
    I ask HOW the hell can these mongrel Governments PROMISE the likes of the Adani mine UNLIMTED water for 60 to 70 years -- when they are wanting to charge us a fortune AND Aust'has never had unlimited water -- NO ONE can live without WATER
    There is also Talk of charging for water collected in Dams AND Tank in fac.t they are doing that in some areas
    Virginia
    13th Dec 2017
    10:39am
    Lets STOP CEO and upper management taking all the golden eggs and Faberge eggs get them on a realistic salary ESPECIALLY as they don't manage the infrastructure properly ....
    Look at all the burst water pipes.
    And heard SA Water blokes complaining about not enough staff......
    One day a bloke worked 14 hrs went home for 2 hours and was ordered back for an emergency!!!!!!!!!
    Most of our water bill is a hidden government tax on property
    Think about it. Look at your bill ; it is nit your usage but the tax which is exorbitant....
    Virginia
    13th Dec 2017
    10:40am
    Got nothing to do with water its government hidden tax!!!!!!
    Sen.Cit.89
    13th Dec 2017
    11:03am
    By 2040! I expect to be dead by then; to double my water bill would really hurt. At present it is over $300.00 per quarter I'm single, live in a retirement village without water meters on our units i.e. we share a common bill. There are those among us that waste water. My bill shows that my single person usage is three times higher than others in the district. Nothing I can do about it; voting at meetings vote for no meters. There is a majority of couples here.
    Poppa Bear
    13th Dec 2017
    11:11am
    Monsanto has had it's dirty beady eyes on Australia's water for about 15 years. There plan is to use supertankers to ship our water to the highest bidder. Bet very few of the pollies would even squeak in protest.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    1:17pm
    Squeak? They'd stand back and applaud while waiting for their 'retirement' job with Monsanto...

    Politics was always a dirty business here - but it is much worse these days than I recall.. at least once they had the decency to hide their daylight robbery.
    Hairy
    13th Dec 2017
    11:27am
    Never ever believe the goverment when it says privatisation will make competition and make it cheaper. Just blatant lies and they know it.kowtowingto business that’s all it isselling the peoples utility’s .im sorry but al party’s are guilty of this theft and deceit of the people’s utilitys that should be affordable for all.
    LENYJAC
    13th Dec 2017
    11:29am
    STOP these clowns that think they are important from paying thenselves over the top wages then the price of water ((MIGHT)) go down,until this happens WE the australian public are screwed..RANT OVER..
    KB
    13th Dec 2017
    12:17pm
    Definitely not on a pension Water is an essential product like electricity. State government need to act now. People on low incomes should not have to pay water. Governments should encourage every house hold to install water tanks Encourage water efficiency. Thankfully as a renter my l landlord pays the water bills. Have paid elsewhere.Something must be done.
    Dee
    13th Dec 2017
    12:23pm
    Jeez, just got the solar which is working very well, now have to get the bore fixed!
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    1:18pm
    Moved from a property that had a bore - then later moved to a property with tanks only - now I feel the pain every quarter with dirty tasting town water.
    Rosret
    13th Dec 2017
    12:45pm
    I just got my water bill - there is a huge portion that won't go away even if I switch it off at the mains. Electricity is the same. Australia used to look after the low socio-economic people in society....until we sold it and put GST on the top.
    mr.auspicious
    13th Dec 2017
    1:19pm
    ....in addition, the introduction of a renewable energy target.
    In terms of generation cost ( S/kwh ) this is most expensive
    method of electricity generation currently available to the
    consumer...............
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    1:21pm
    For the cost of two years water supplied I can fit two 5000 gal tanks out the back and I have a pump sitting idle in the shed.

    Prepared to bet that if I said "Right - I'm going on tanks, and yez can get stuffed!.. there's be whining about 'water quality', 'regulations', rules, and somehow a demand that I continue to pay the connection fees even if I cut the pipes. Whatever bullshit comes out, you can guarantee that the ordinary user can't use water tanks in town.

    Even a plan such as tanking up and using the pipes only for urgent fills will cost $1200 a year..... cheaper to buy tanks and go alone.
    AutumnOz
    13th Dec 2017
    7:02pm
    Trebor the whining about "water quality" etc. is already happening.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    7:16pm
    We had tanks on a rural property for years, Autumn - never got sick with nasties... I filter town water since I can't stand its smell or taste.
    Rosret
    13th Dec 2017
    9:55pm
    Trebor in the city you still have to pay for sewerage and connection fees whether you have tanks or not.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2017
    5:44pm
    Yes - at the moment it would still cost us $1200 a year or so just to have it on... sharks....
    mr.auspicious
    13th Dec 2017
    1:08pm
    If confirmation was necessary that the silly season has arrived here it is - a poorly
    disguised scaremongering campaign based on generalisations that may or may not
    come to fruition in the next couple of decades.
    Of course modelling has been commissioned to support certain claims - however these
    results merely reflect the reliability of assumptions upon which the model has been based.
    In other words if unreliable / unrealistic / unsound assumptions form the basis for
    predictions derived from the modelling process, the results will be a continuation of
    poor public policy initiatives and more white elephant infrastructure. Sound familiar ??
    Currently this has become an art form within sections of the bureaucracy and is likely to
    persist as long as taxpayers are willing to meet the expense.......
    johnp
    13th Dec 2017
    1:10pm
    I strongly suspect that water charges have gone a similar direction to electricity charges. Basically as outlined below.
    I recall one bullet we dodged when they tried to set up yet another separate water corporation for the gold coast, redlands and logan areas. Local community minded activists managed to put a stop to that.
    In the case of electricity the necessary and actual generation, control and distribution to the door now only forms part of the bill to the consumer.
    A significant reality these days is that a substantial proportion of the electricity bill goes on all the multitudes of CEOs, CEXs, upper managements, boards of directors, call centres, marketing, sales, advertising, support administrations, I.T. depts, plush city offices, etc etc.
    So I dont know what can be done about that !!
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    1:22pm
    Hang ten a day until the rest get the message....
    johnp
    13th Dec 2017
    2:17pm
    Got me on that term Trebor. what does hang ten a day mean ?
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    7:17pm
    Argh - bring out ye olde rope and gallows and hang ten a day until the rest get the message and change their ways...
    johnp
    14th Dec 2017
    11:58am
    Ha Ha; I see. I was thinking about hanging 10 on the surfboard which is much more attractive proposition ;-)
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2017
    5:45pm
    The White Pointer I met off Bar Beach in Newcastle begged to differ.... cheeky buggar... at least he ddn't bite my board....
    johnp
    16th Dec 2017
    8:54am
    Yep, seen quite a few white pointers actually. And a few bronze whalers ;-) ;-)
    Chrissy L
    13th Dec 2017
    1:40pm
    I have to ask the question why is it when our utilities are privatised the costs go up dramatically. To protect people on fixed incomes, they should only rise with inflation. These utilities are now businesses and are only interested in their bottom line. Essential Services should be managed by the Governments, that way at least we have a chance to keep them honest at election time.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    13th Dec 2017
    4:25pm
    Privatization means a profit motive rather than a service motive, Chrissy L, plus mostly it means two dozen or more suppliers running expensive headquarters and paying a tribe of executives and directors who claim huge wage cheques and mind-boggling benefits, where there used to be just one office to run and one group of senior managers (albeit probably useless overpaid morons!)
    Trish
    13th Dec 2017
    3:10pm
    Never mind waiting until 2040 - my regional council has already almost doubled water charges recently.

    On 24.8.17 I was invoiced for $1.70 per KL. Two months later on 26.10.17 another invoice arrived charging $3.00 per KL, which is almost double, in the space of two months.

    Our regional council is the result of merging three councils into one - would this have anything to do with such an exorbitant rise???
    AutumnOz
    13th Dec 2017
    7:08pm
    That is a huge increase in a short time.
    I am not familiar with the costs of water rates as we are on tank water but it seems to be quite unnecessary to charge so much for a basic necessity.
    Fortunately there are no water pipes passing our property, if there were we would probably be charged for water as "we could connect if we wanted to".
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2017
    7:19pm
    Typical - here we live in Greater ***** Council now - the locals call it Greater Cost Council....
    Tib
    13th Dec 2017
    3:19pm
    All these increased costs are important. It's important to keep government costs down ,how else is the government going to give big tax cuts to the wealthy and Mulinationals.
    Dot
    13th Dec 2017
    4:15pm
    Plenty of water for developers, lets not forget the thousand of Chinese tourist that the WA Government wants here. Energy and water crisis so lets screw the TRUE BLUE AUSSIE.
    Knows-a-lot
    13th Dec 2017
    4:58pm
    Oh great... Build a pipeline from northern Australia to the urban centres in the south. Use the wasted water from the northern wet season.
    whichbank
    13th Dec 2017
    5:24pm
    OVER THEIR DEAD POLITICAL BODIES
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2017
    7:47pm
    Just wait until they start charging for the water in your water tanks too.
    Rosret
    13th Dec 2017
    9:56pm
    Yep - any storage over 10 000 L was the rumor.
    PlanB
    15th Dec 2017
    6:44am
    See my post above -- they are already doing this in many places I think SA is one -- it is all part of the Agenda 21/30

    13th Dec 2017
    8:51pm
    We live in a first world country.

    To get water all we need to do is turn a little tap, then like magic we instantly have myriads of safe, clean water.

    To get electricity we merely flick a tiny little switch, and we magically and instantly get immediate easy heating, cooling, cooking, lighting etc.

    If we had to pay ten times what we currently pay for such things, then we'd still be well of and privileged people with an easy life compared to the 3rd world.

    Try living in Syria over the past years with bombs and bullets dropping around you everywhere on a near daily basis. Try being a woman in some rural areas of India where you are raped, assaulted and traded as a normal part of local culture. Try being a little kid in many African countries where you spend 15 hours a day working in order to earn a dollar a week to help with basic, unhygienic food and services for your family. Etc, etc, etc ....... the list is near endless.

    We have nothing to complain about. Our miseries are close to non existent compared to much of the world.

    Enjoy life. Don't whinge. Recognise how incredibly lucky you are.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    13th Dec 2017
    9:26pm
    I doubt anyone is unappreciative, Jim B. But we are concerned to retain the benefits we currently enjoy. The big worry is that things are deteriorating. We don't want to end up like Syria or India, do we? Constructive complaint and lobbying for improvement isn't being unappreciative. It's protecting what we value for future generations.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2017
    10:08pm
    My point is that even if we had to pay much, much, much more than we currently pay for services, we are still WAY better off than 3rd world regions. So even if the prediction of doubled water bills in today's money by 2040 comes to pass, we would still be living the high life compared to the 3rd world.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    14th Dec 2017
    7:47am
    No doubt that's true, but a lot of folk would be hurting badly. Frankly, I can't see anything wrong with lobbying to retain the lifestyle we and past generations worked for and earned. And I consider it disgraceful that our politicians are happy to see that lifestyle destroyed by theirs and their buddies' unmitigated greed. It think we all stand together to demand better government. Privatization has failed. We should be demanding that the government acknowledge that and address the failure. Sadly, Australians are generally a rather apathetic lot, and apathy is steadily destroying a great country.
    Rae
    14th Dec 2017
    7:58am
    But we don't have to pay much more unless someone gets greedy.

    Yes we should be grateful but that is no reason to be complacent either.

    I'm not worried about my life it's the great grandkids I want to ensure are able to have water.

    This report is about privatising the water. At that point it will be shipped and sold to the wealthiest people.

    The excuse that we are lucky , look at those poor people simply let's the carpetbaggers get in a free kick. It's apathy.

    That sort of apathy existed here a few decades ago when Coca Cola arrived to mine our aquifer. Coca cola has made a killing but pay next to nothing for the water they are bottling and shipping all over. Come a drought we will not have that aquifer now.

    Okay because we are not a war torn hell hole? I don't think so.
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2017
    12:52pm
    The fact that we are infinitesimally better off than 3rd world regions does "not" mean that the Australians who recognise this are apathetic, nor does it mean that our privileged circumstances "cause" 3rd word conditions. It means that "some" people in Australia falsely "think" they are suffering badly because their water bill has risen. We have it EASY here compared to 3rd world regions, INCREDIBLY easy.

    Suffering is when your little child has her head blown off due to an American/ISIS/Russian/ bomb or bullet, and a mere increased water bill is like life in Heaven in comparison.
    TREBOR
    14th Dec 2017
    5:49pm
    We don't live in those areas, Jim - we live here, and I want my grand-children to be able to enjoy a good life without unwarranted toil and struggle... they're cute enough to deserve that...

    That, BTW, is what grand-fathers and grand-mothers are for - to pass down the better life we all struggled to give our descendants.. I see no reason for only the well-off to be able to do that.

    Time for the revolution, I think...
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    14th Dec 2017
    8:45pm
    I couldn't agree more, Rae and Trebor. Sure, we are luckier than people in many other countries - maybe because we are more intelligent and more diligent. Maybe because we have a more peace-loving culture. Or maybe it is just luck (though I doubt it!). But my father and father-in-law gave their lives so future generations could live in peace. What are we prepared to give so that our grandchildren can enjoy the good life we enjoy? Are we going to just stand back and let things deteriorate, just because others are worse off than us? Who cares if we pay more for water? I do, because that's not where it stops. When the water is gone, and the electricity is too expensive and the food prices have skyrocketed because farmers can't afford to water their crops, then the violence starts. And do we stand back and watch that and say ''Well, it's okay really, because it's not as bad as Syria - yet?'' I don't think so. I'd rather speak out now - long before violence becomes the order of the day. And it will. Of that you can be very certain.

    My father and father-in-law could have said ''It's all good. The war hasn't really reached Australia yet. We are lucky. There's no need for us to fight.'' I sometimes wish they had. Then my partner and I wouldn't have been orphans. But who knows what Australia might have become if our forefathers had sat back and said ''It's all fine. We have it easy compared to other regions''? Maybe we'd be living like Syrians today.
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2017
    11:33pm
    Rainey, you're not understanding what I wrote about this.

    Being able to comprehend that we are way better off than 3rd world nations, and saying that "some" Aussies whinge about higher prices and "think" they are suffering in life when in reality they are getting it massively easy compared to the 3rd world is not, I repeat "NOT", the same as saying that we should do nothing about higher water prices in Australia.

    It's merely saying "we should comprehend our "actual" level of suffering (which is VERY low) regarding higher water costs compared to the ENORMOUS level of suffering taking place in 3rd world regions. Then we'd be less inclined to merely whinge, whinge, whinge about higher water costs and instead actually do something about it.

    I hope you understand what I'm saying now.
    TREBOR
    15th Dec 2017
    6:21am
    Not condemning you, Jim - just saying differently... we also have no desire to immerse ourselves in the merde of being an actual part of The Third World, and enjoy all their values and conditions. We WERE a better place, as evidenced by the hordes trying get in the door daily ... but again we don't want to descend to their levels of real income and social values etc.

    Reducing our silent majority to poverty and penury while creating massive differences in income levels,thus establishing a permanent ruling class of the rich is not acceptable here, any more than it was is, say, The Philippines (not that some things actually got any better for the majority there).

    Privatisation and out-sourcing are both lies... and both cost more than a public service body doing the same job, regardless of 'efficiency' - something nowhere evident in any privatised arena to date. These 'policies' of giving cronies a shot at a lucrative captive audience with no option but to use and pay are, and always were, failures and social/economic disasters for the many.
    ex PS
    16th Dec 2017
    9:06am
    Unless the profits made on excessive water charges are going to third world countries, and I am sure they are not, I can see no reason why we are allowed to be shorn by profiteers. What we pay for water has no correlation to what happens in third world countries.
    Originally the idea of charging for water was to place a value on a vital resource so that it would not be wasted. It did not take long for it to degenerate to a purely profit making exercise. Water boards in Queensland are seeking an increase in prices, not because we are using too much water, but because we are not using enough, and they are not sustaining high profits.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    16th Dec 2017
    10:03am
    Jim B, nothing in your posts acknowledges a right - let alone an obligation - to fight the wrongs that threaten our lifestyle. If I am not understanding, it's because you are not saying what you now claim to mean. You are saying we should be grateful. Well, I, for one, am. But I reserve the right to object when the lifestyle I am grateful for is threatened, risking that my grandchildren will not enjoy the same benefits. It's nothing to do with not recognizing how lucky we are or not being painfully aware how bad things are in some other places. It's to do with protecting our way of life against the greedy, selfish, and grossly incompetent power brokers who abuse their positions.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2017
    12:39pm
    Rainey, and who here is saying you have "no right" to object to higher water prices? Answer ... nobody. Not 1 person, zero, nil, naught. Nice try, ha ha ha. Now calm down, have a cup of tea and take up yoga.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    16th Dec 2017
    3:41pm
    You are lecturing on our good fortune, and saying ''Don't whinge''. Sorry if it distresses you that I choose to respond to the Jim B. Thank you for assuring me nobody is saying I have no right. It wouldn't matter to me if you were saying that. I'd respond that I have every right and I don't need your permission - or anyone else's. Just as you need nobody's permission to rant about how we should be grateful and object to whinging. Like I said, I am grateful. I am well aware of our relative good fortune. But I don't think the fact that life's not as good in Syria is grounds for silence when we see risks of it deteriorating here.

    BTW. I am allergic to tea and I have no interest in yoga. I am quite calm. I have developed the skill of being constructively angry without feeling any negative emotion at all.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2017
    10:34pm
    Rainey you wrote, "But I don't think the fact that life's not as good in Syria is grounds for silence".

    Rainey, not 1 person here .....zero, zilch, zippo, naught .... has said that people must be "silenced". Calling folks out for whinging and not comprehending how well off they are is NOT "silencing" them. If you say "don't whinge" to someone, that person has every right to whinge, whinge, whinge forever more if he wants to.

    You are using what's called a strawman argument. You are implying that something is being said, when it's NOT being said. Then you argue against what's NOT being said.

    Keep trying Rainey. I'll still love ya. Ha ha.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    19th Dec 2017
    6:38am
    Jim B, I think you are missing a few cogs in your brain! Sorry, but what you say is ridiculous. I'm not making any ''strawman'' argument. I'm responding to WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID. You objected to people whinging. You said we should be grateful for a better lifestyle than women in India and people in Syria enjoy. Of course that's true, but I and others are lobbying for the preservation of our good lifestyle. And your post seems to suggest that is unacceptable. Get off your soapbox and recognize that nobody is 'ungrateful'. We are concerned to ensure the future is bright for our children and grandchildren. And we are not responsible for conditions in Syria or India, but we ARE responsible for ensuring conditions in Australia are not permitted to deteriorate substantially because of power-crazed politicians and unmitigated greed.

    Maybe if you learned to SAY WHAT YOU NOW CLAIM YOU MEANT you wouldn't have to defend your offensive comments.
    Anonymous
    20th Dec 2017
    12:02am
    What a sweet "DEFENSIVE" reply from you my dear Rainey.

    I see you continue your strawman argument ploy, ha ha. How? You say I "objected to whinging" (which I did NOT) and then you argue against what you claim to be my objecting ...... in other words you are arguing against what I did NOT say.

    Calling out people for whinging is NOT "objecting" to the whinging, in fact if you had actually read what I wrote you'd finally comprehend that I DEFEND the right to whinge. Yes, I DEFEND IT. I wrote " If you say "don't whinge" to someone, that person has every right to whinge, whinge, whinge forever more if he wants to.

    Rainey my boy, may you continue forever more with your strawman arguments, and may you whinge, whinge, whinge for all eternity. It's your human right to be like that.

    Love you. xoxox
    Anonymous
    20th Dec 2017
    12:12am
    Rainey my lovely, you also strawmanned with "And we are not responsible for conditions in Syria or India" and then immediately proceed to argue against that statement.

    That's yet another strawman argument from you Rainey.

    You are arguing against what was NOT said by me.

    So you are responding to WHAT WAS ACTUALLY *NOT* SAID BY ME.

    Hey Rainey my man, do you use a straw every time you have a drink? Probably ..... ha ha ha. Bye bye my little STRAWman.
    Spondonian
    14th Dec 2017
    10:15pm
    Of course the System is aging and falling apart , but whose fault is it . The Government is to blame , remember Bob Carr ? . He started taking a cut from the profits made by the Water Authority and used it to be ef up his spending . The Water Authority was not left with any money to improve the system, only to maintain it. Remember the Drought ? What did the Government do , knee jerk reaction to build Desalination Plant costing $billions and would only supply 10% of Sydneys needs. Of course since then we have been blessed with heaps of rain so this White Elephant has never been used. Still no new Dams have been built despite Sydneys population going through the roof and no money saved to do anything about it. Guess who the Mugs are who are goi g to pay for all the catch up heading our way .
    TREBOR
    15th Dec 2017
    6:23am
    Always despised Carr... still do. An ideologue with not one clue about reality.
    Not Senile Yet!
    14th Dec 2017
    10:17pm
    Absolute Crap!
    However...our Governments need to encourage every house to Install Rainwater Tanks for the Garden & Car Washing etc.
    That will minimise what is perceived as demand when in reality is wastage!
    Schemes like Iyr or 2yrs No GST on Tanks will encourage people and cost the Government less than building New Dams or Treatment Plants.
    PlanB
    15th Dec 2017
    1:38pm
    There is only so much you are allowed to store in rainwater tanks these days -- just it is like the dams -- you have to PAY big time for anything over 10000, many people call BS to this but it IS and has been happening in SA for years now and also in other places too
    ex PS
    15th Dec 2017
    10:09am
    This is not about saving water, it is about making money. Queenslanders were sold a story about the need to conserve water, a lot of us put in tanks, water treatment plants and reduced our consumption. Our reward was the water companies applying to increase the cost of water because their profits were dropping.
    If water supply is such a problem, why have some governments banned the connection of water tanks to bathrooms? It is just another revenue raiser. Some local governments are even talking about restricting the quantity of tanks allowed on your own property, this is a con.
    MD
    15th Dec 2017
    1:04pm
    The devil you do, the devil you don't. It's becoming significantly more than just a mere headache trying to keep up with the ever changing scenario of our essential services, super/tax changes, revolving door - chameleon politicians and across the board price rises.
    Whoever it was that coined the term 'disruption' certainly wasn't kidding. It seems most everything relative to everyday living, ie, those services on which consumers rely are increasingly being controlled (meaning capability to access) by the cost per unit.
    Life and therefore everyday living could almost be likened to a mad dog chasing its tail when compared to the not so distant past. Relatively speaking we were largely oblivious, in some cases ignorant of the why's and wherefore's of institutional control - in it's many and varied guises. Formally when we flicked a switch, turned a tap on or lit the gas stove most of us had a vague idea that our ability to meet respective costs was comfortably within our means.
    We occasionally witnessed workers from the various utilities digging trenches, erecting power poles and wires or laying gas lines and knew that the cost of these labours was partly borne within the charge for supply. Rarely nowadays do we witness a ' working crew' - unless of course in the event of service failure.
    The national electricity grid is failing, water mains bursting, gas blow-outs/blow-ups increasing and our pollies; to exacerbate the problems, would have us believe "she'll be right mate" ! Maybe it is - "In the big rock candy mountains where the money grows on tree's."
    Life WAS so much simpler, we weren't as all knowing and well informed then as (we kid ourselves) nowadays. Savvy know-alls jumped on the solar panel slippery slope early enough, installed rainwater tanks or bought a Toyota Prius and still kid 'emselves they're smarter than the rest of us. Maybe so: ultimately the power brokers will have us yet - and still by the short and curlies - ouch!
    PlanB
    15th Dec 2017
    1:40pm
    There is only so much you are allowed to store in rainwater tanks these days -- just it is like the dams -- you have to PAY big time for anything over 10000, many people call BS to this but it IS and has been happening in SA for years now and also in other places too -- many people have wanted to put very large or more tanks in and have been knocked back.
    ex PS
    15th Dec 2017
    5:10pm
    I thank goodness I am on a large block in a semi rural area, I can put as many tanks of any size that I want on my property.
    We are not connected to a Sewerage system and not one drop of water leaves our property. We would not connect to a sewerage system if it was free, we like the independence and the chance to recycle our own waste water.
    PlanB
    16th Dec 2017
    6:51am
    ex PS read here please -- hope you are fine with your water tanks

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Charged+for+water+in+dams+and+tanks+AUST&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=Dyc0WqCpO_Pc8wfU-Y3IDw
    ex PS
    16th Dec 2017
    8:50am
    Thanks PlanB, I have just read the article, it bemuses me that any government can claim rights over water falling from the heavens. Does this mean they are willing to take responsibility if their rain falls around my house and floods it out?
    I am in Queensland and the only occasion for worry was decades ago when a stupid Mayor decided to ban water tanks in suburban yards because they looked untidy and bought down land values in her opinion. Luckily she was voted out the very next election and the issue has never raised its ugly head again.
    But we are watching, and ready to take action should this stupid, short sighted idea surface again.

    In fact it was not so long ago that all new houses built had to have a water tank installed, it was even subsidized, but we had a brief flirtation with an LNP government and it went y the boards, unhappily the present party is slow to reinstate the regulation.
    ex PS
    16th Dec 2017
    8:55am
    I shall in future employ a strategy of don't ask, don't tell when it comes to the installation of water tanks, if the council wants to know what I have on my property they can come and have a look.
    PlanB
    16th Dec 2017
    10:36am
    Don't ask don't tell -- good idea I thin ex PS --

    I also question the Government willing to GIVE Adani UNLIMTED water for 60 to 70 years !!!!! How the hell can they ever do that Aust'has never had UNLIMITED water -- and then they want to charge people for their dams!!??
    ex PS
    17th Dec 2017
    8:45am
    Adani should not be given access to out money to start operations whether it be a loan or subsidies of any kind. If it is allowed to operate, it should have to pay the same rate for water as we do or may have to for the water we collect and store ourselves. This will help us one way or another.
    Any government that tries to tell me how to manage water that I have collected myself and am storing on my property in my own tanks will not get my vote until it rescinds the rules they will try to apply. I don't have a dam as I worked out they are not efficient on a small property, but if I did the same would apply.
    PlanB
    17th Dec 2017
    10:42am
    What gets me PS is we do not and never have had unlimed water --


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