Climate change and ageing population creating ‘a perfect storm’

Climate change and ageing populations are interacting to create 'a perfect storm'.

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Heatwaves are killing more Australians than any other natural disaster and are expected to become more frequent and last for longer. And particularly at risk are over-65s.

An Actuaries Institute paper says that deaths from heatwaves could rise by 12 per cent among over 65-year-olds, with heatwaves expected to triple in some regions.

“More frequent, longer and hotter days will drive a significant increase in mortality, with Australia’s ageing population amplifying the number of people who will die as a result of climate change,” the paper says.

It also canvases the financial implications of climate change for investors, warning of long-term negative returns.

The paper, The Impact of Climate Change on Mortality and Retirement Incomes in Australia, was written by Ramona Meyricke, a senior actuary and associate investigator, and Rafal Chomik, a senior fellow at the Centre for Excellence in Population Ageing Research at the University of NSW.

“Understanding the potentially significant implications of climate change is crucial to Australians’ wellbeing,” said Actuaries Institute president Nicolette Rubinsztein. “Many Australians understand the physical risks posed by climate change, but few appreciate the impacts it could have on their mortality risks and their retirement savings.”

The paper examines how climate change will affect Australians in broad ways, including the impact on economic growth, health and mortality, government spending and investment returns. It explores the consequences for individuals and businesses, including health, general and life insurers, pension providers, investors and emergency services and governments.

It states that climate change and ageing populations are interacting to create “a perfect storm”.

“Without proper risk management, these megatrends have the potential to overwhelm individuals, private companies and government balance sheets over the course of this century,” the authors state.

“In terms of public policy, the wide-ranging consequences of climate change on mortality, public health and the economy mean that system-wide policy responses are necessary to mitigate the risks posed.”

Heatwaves have killed more Australians than bushfires, cyclones, earthquakes, floods and severe storms combined, and are the main threat to Australians’ mortality from climate change, the authors say, warning that population ageing is a major contributor to the numbers.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) projects that by 2050, the population of over-65s and over-85s will nearly double and triple respectively.

“Population ageing will amplify the burden of heat related mortality and health risks in a warming climate – an interaction that policymakers and insurers have not yet fully taken into account,” the report states.

It says that the potential impact of climate change could also extend to lower superannuation contributions and investment returns due to negative long-term returns for investors whose portfolios are not diversified. This, in turn, could lead to lower superannuation balances.

“Illustrative scenario modelling suggests that an individual earning around $75,000 per annum could retire with 11 per cent to 18 per cent less, or a superannuation balance of $40,000 to $70,000 less, because of lower contributions and/or lower investment returns. The impact would be greater for those who experience both reduced contributions and investment returns,” according to the study.

The predictions also have major implications for pension providers, including the Federal Government. The authors say there may be a greater reliance on the Age Pension if climate change seriously diminishes superannuation balances, and a higher cost of provisioning for future Age Pension liabilities if investment returns are lower.

Have you considered the implications of climate change on your income?

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    Ted Wards
    27th Sep 2019
    10:05am
    What a load of codswallop. We have always had heatwaves, so the media has now picked up on them and want to make something out of them. Grow some you know what and report on some real news.
    Paddington
    27th Sep 2019
    10:50am
    You are wrong! The science is certain and we have now entered the emergency phase.
    If you still are a sceptic, consider the possibility you are wrong and the price for that is inconceivable. Just do it because the alternative is unthinkable especially if you have grandchildren.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    27th Sep 2019
    11:03am
    Way too many people are believe the hysteria being drummed up by the media. I do feel for those kids today that are being brain washed by our education system and media and not forgetting to mention that child with mental issues turning up everywhere now.
    Karl Marx
    27th Sep 2019
    11:12am
    VCBB or Old Geezer, our kids are far from being brainwashed by our education system. Kids these days can see more clearly what is happening and the education system is giving them the education to make up their own minds & are able to see what the governments of the world are doing, which is absolutely NOTHING apart from inaction & denial al because of the greedy rich who can't see past the dollar sign.
    We all know you are an LNP paid stooge Old Geezer, different name but same old same old from the LNP troll.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    27th Sep 2019
    11:22am
    Oh dear some people are certainly brain washed today.
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    11:59am
    VCBB, Greta does not have a mental problem, she has Aspergers Syndrome and people with this condition are usually very intelligent. Today Prince William and Prince Harry have both said Climate Change is real so are you going to say they have a mental problem too? and all the farmers who havea petition going to send to the govt about their climate change worries, do they all have a mental problem too?. Better to be safe then sorry don't you think VCBB?.
    GeorgeM
    27th Sep 2019
    12:28pm
    I never thought I will see a day when I would agree with VCBB! But, here it is! He didn't say Greta has mental issues, however these fear-mongering tactics will do that to young people with limited knowledge of the world who are being brain-washed on a mass scale. This brain-washing MUST be reversed by the stupid Govt instructing Education Depts to issue out calming advice to schools with real facts. Notice most such articles talk about effects by the end of the century - which can't be verified till most of the current people are dead and long gone!

    Ted, you are correct. In fact, this article does not show any link between the claimed climate change outcomes to investment contributions and returns. Clearly the Actuaries Institute has also been infiltrated by these crazies. My bigger concern is that these people are latching onto every such issue to justify poor investment returns i.e. poor performance by Funds.

    Also, I remember seeing a Chart recently which showed Deaths due to Climate Change have reduced drastically in the last few decades, NOT increased. Also, lower temperatures cause more deaths due to lack of heating caused by high energy prices, and increased temperatures (we are talking of 1-2 degrees) may actually have positive effects.
    Extreme isolated weather events are simply cyclical changes, not due to climate change - too much brain-washing is rampant. Yes, climate is always changing, just get used to it, nature does that and nature is much stronger than the puny humans. All we can and must do is to reduce pollution in our environment by people & industries for the sake of the health of the people which is of more direct relevance.
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    1:21pm
    Ted, yes we have had heatwaves BUT, as the article says, "Heatwaves.............. are expected to become more frequent and last for longer".

    I will not debate those who say the science is wrong on climate change, the shape of the earth, the solar system or anything else. Facts are facts.
    Sceptic
    27th Sep 2019
    2:15pm
    Anyone who knows anything about science would never say, "the science is settled." Anyone who anything about history would never say, "the science is settled."
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    2:25pm
    GeorgM please reread VCBB'S comment, he does say,"that child with mental issues turning up everywhere".
    GeorgeM
    27th Sep 2019
    4:51pm
    Misty, you are right about that, I read that in a hurry. People with Aspergers syndrome have a tendency for anxiety and depression issues, and I would be more concerned about such a child suffering such mental health issues, and people around her are clearly responsible for child abuse if they don't get her out of this situation (exposure to scaremongering by adults with their own interests) and back to a normal happy childhood.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:25am
    Aye, me auld Paddo - but what if he's Right?
    Greg
    28th Sep 2019
    4:41pm
    "We have always had heatwaves"

    Haha, yes except each year they are getting longer, hotter and the extremes are more pronounced.

    Instead of sticking your head in the sand and just "remembering" what happened years ago (because your mind tricks you into thinking these were worse or the same) look at some charts through history. Look at the TREND in the weather, not just one year here and there to suit your purposes, look at the trend - like the stock market over time the overall trend is UP.
    The Care Bear.
    1st Oct 2019
    5:39pm
    Perhaps you climate change deniers can explain:
    - Why are the Glaciers disappearing? Greenland held a funeral for one of theirs that is now completely gone. First time in recorded history all Glaciers are retreating at a rate never before recorded.
    - Why are the Nordic Nations now being able to catch temperate fish in their waters, first time ever.
    - Why are the Nordic Nations now being able to grow temperate climate crops.
    - Why are mineral companies now moving in to Greenland and Iceland due to the ice shelves and tundra disappearing.
    I always thought Ice melted faster as it got hotter, that's what I was taught during my Thermodynamics class. Perhaps you geniuses can set me straight.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    6:13pm
    Good points, The Care Bear. But you really don't expect a logical explanation from these egomaniacs who believe they know better than 99% of experts in the field of Climate Science?

    Another big chunk of ice just fell off Antarctica. And it's only the beginning of Spring.
    greenie
    27th Sep 2019
    11:02am
    So Paddo, what are you doing about it?
    VeryCaringBigBear
    27th Sep 2019
    11:06am
    I bet they still drive a car and consume electricity and all those other items so called bad for the climate. Maybe they are even killing themselves with radiation form their mobile as well.
    Mondo
    27th Sep 2019
    5:11pm
    So living shorter lives, won't need so much super anyway and will help population control. Buying big in equities; air conditioning, solar panels and funeral directors' shares!
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:28am
    .. and meanwhile China and India charge on unabated, and their air grows thicker by the day ..... but convention and international law dictates that, short of a declaration of war, we cannot involve ourselves with internal issues of a sovereign nation......
    pdm
    27th Sep 2019
    11:58am
    The signs are here: http://www.bom.gov.au/water/dashboards/#/water-storages/summary/state
    They aren't improving. I think we would be better off to be safe than sorry, if not for next year, then for the ones after that. "A stitch in time..." and all that.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    11:50am
    Get cracking then.... that space on the table is for the money, not the mouth....
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    6:44pm
    People have and ARE already investing in change by installing rooftop solar, TREBOR, at quite a large expense to themselves. This is the reason why our electricity generation emissions are dropping, which our coal-loving PM ironically has recently taken credit for.

    Unfortunately, electricity generation emissions are only 1/3 of our total emissions. They know they have to put a price on carbon emissions, but the LNP can't bring themselves to do it because not only have they wedged Labor on this issue, they've snookered themselves in the process. THEY NEED TO INVEST IN OUR ECONOMY!!! Trickle-down economics has trickled dry like the Murray/Darling and our precious fresh water reserves.

    You people living in the cities have no idea how horrible it is to live in drought. Or how depressing it is! And there's our useless LNP Govt handing out drought relief to places that have plenty of water, while they do NOTHING to improve the future. "We'll build dams" they say but that's like building a hospital in a town where everyone has either left or died. If they were serious about drought-proofing the future, they would invest in renewable energy, ban non-food crops for irrigation and stop land-clearing! There are very practical places to start for a solution. But the LNP are USELESS, HEARTLESS, UNINTELLIGENT, GREEDY BASTARDS!!

    And while Rome is literally burning around us, we still have people crying out that Australia only emits 1.3% of global emission, but they don't count Australia's contribution to global emissions with all the coal & gas we produce that is sold overseas & burned there.

    Yet Australia is still the world's highest emitter per capita, without even counting all the emissions that we export. We are a big part of the world's problem. Our government is not only letting Australia down, it's letting the whole globe down.
    pedro the swift
    27th Sep 2019
    12:31pm
    Global warming is designed to get rid of the older generation so they dont have to pay pensions or provide expense medical help. Its a plot!
    All you older folks!, turn up your aircon. Keep cool and foil their dastardly plans!
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    1:24pm
    Global warming is not "designed". It is happening largely due to our use of fossil fuels.
    KSS
    27th Sep 2019
    6:08pm
    I thought global warming was last century. It's climate change now since the warming bit never eventuated.
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2019
    8:17pm
    Rod63 Not that smart
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    10:54pm
    Global warming is causing climate change. The warming of the earth is causing climates to change and also causing more severe and prolonged weather events.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:32am
    With summer a-coomin' in (Lod sing cuckoo) - MY air con will run off the 6.6KwH solar system on the roof....... the leftover will go into the 'grid' and be paid for.,...

    Laarvley! Cool as a cucumber - actually it's necessary since the ex (I'm her carer) has trouble with temperature control in her body..... but I don't mind it being cooler... Tasmania sounds good....

    Now for Powerball Big and a decent holiday for a change....
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    6:56pm
    Unthinking older people like Pedro are hellbent on stealing the future of new generations. Selfish and greedy, Pedro.
    The sooner people like you are gone, the better off will be the rest of us.

    Rod63 is right to say that the threats of climate change have not been DESIGNED. It's just the attitude of "business as usual" that is creating the impending disaster. Oh, and the 3 year electoral cycle.
    Horace Cope
    27th Sep 2019
    12:40pm
    The 16 year old autistic child who was allowed to lecture adults at the UN has done one thing well; she has woken the silent majority who are now speaking out against those who want to use climate change to line their pockets with other people's money. Sure, there is climate change which was called global warming until the temperatures stabilised. In the '60's the alarmists warned us of an impending Ice Age and in the '80's the Earth was about to be destroyed due to the hole in the ozone layer.

    Remember the fairy tale about Chicken Little who ran around claiming that the sky was falling? Today's climate change warriors are the modern day version of Chicken Little. Man has added to the increase of CO² but the addition is about 5%± and Australia produces about 1.6% of this which is too small to be counted. We are now getting more and more scientists standing up and refuting the "settled" science that man has caused all of the problems and for that we can thank the 16 year old autistic child.
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    1:13pm
    So Horace you don't think all this pollution spewing out from our factories, coal fired power stations, airplanes, ships, cars, motorbikes, burning of forests etc is not affecting our climate and environment?.
    Horace Cope
    27th Sep 2019
    2:13pm
    Of course it does, Misty, but the degree that it does is what I disagree with. Listening to the doomsayers would have us believe that the world will end in 2030 unless we stop burning fossil fuels yet the eruption of Eyjafjallajökull in Iceland spewed more noxious gases into the atmosphere than Australia has emitted since settlement.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:38am
    Misty (with all due respect) - what 's this 'our' factories?

    As for forest burning - the ex and I (sounds like a musical) moved from an area where National Parks annually burnt off vast swathes of bush - nearly killed me with heart troubles every goddamned year and I never stop sneezing and coughing .... now the bushfires raging are just as bad...

    At the same time the government of NSW decreed that any household fireplace that smoked for fifteen minutes would draw a hefty fine..... while their henchpersons were lighting off thousands of acres...

    Ask me again why I despise City Hall....

    Anyway - Australia is a tiny contributor to 'global fossil fuel gases' that are claimed to affect things so much... per capita is meaningless given our numbers and our stamping ground ...
    Rae
    29th Sep 2019
    11:26am
    Yes but while we have been killing trees and poisoning everything the population has exploded. It will be water shortages, famine and overpopulation creating dangerous situations. I'll bet within 3 to 5 years living in a city will be risky.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    7:06pm
    Australia is still the world's highest emitter per capita, without even counting all the emissions that we export. We are a big part of the world's problem.

    And the burning of forests is one problem, (though necessary in some cases), but not planting trees to replace them is another, especially because of soil erosion and the lowering of the water table & the salination it produces. Australia treats it's country like a prostitute & a slave, then whinges about it not being productive enough.

    Why don't we measure the government's productivity? Because it's doing absolutely nothing to improve many of our problems.
    Mary
    3rd Oct 2019
    9:25pm
    Hoohoo. your quote "Why don't we measure the government's productivity? Because it's doing absolutely nothing to improve many of our problems." I agree with you. As I said Hoohoo, Scumbag will go down as one of the greatest killers the world has known. Inaction means death. It is a proven scientific fact that the earth has increased in temperature due to the effects of Australia and the USA doing nothing. Scumbag and Trump have caused it and yet both do nothing to get more cheap solar and wind renewables integrated into the grid. We both rely on our expensive, planet destroying gas and coal fired plants that break down often and kill millions of people with their emissions. Why does the government allow that? Because big Business is the republican and liberal's party focus. Do they care about you or me or our planets future? No they Don't!! Its A DISGRACE!!!!
    Mark
    27th Sep 2019
    12:42pm
    Nothing Australia does will effect human induced climate change (and I’m not saying that I that I endorse this view). If people are truly concerned about the effects of heat waves then the only way to improve this situation is by lowering the price of electricity so folks can turn on their air conditioning.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    7:23pm
    Mark, lower electricity prices won't help over 80 towns that either have no water, or are about to have to bring drinking water in via large trucks, if the drought doesn't break very soon. Nor will air conditioners help people who work outside.

    The problems are much bigger and more serious than trying to keep cool during heatwaves.

    As I said earlier, our electricity generation emissions are dropping, which our coal-loving PM has ironically taken credit for, boasting at the UN summit.

    Renewable energy is cheaper than coal & gas. For one, you need huge corporations to dig up or frack fossil fuels and then burn it to create electricity, whereas all that's needed for renewable energy is to make the collecting apparatus then collect the sun, wind or wave power FOR FREE. If only we had further investment in large batteries, we'd have enough baseload power for everyone except aluminium smelters & other gas-guzzling industries.
    Cheezil61
    27th Sep 2019
    2:03pm
    Can someone please enlighten me of the link btwn the 2 as it doesn't appear to be covered in the article; means nothinf without reasons for the suggestion!
    Hasbeen
    27th Sep 2019
    2:06pm
    Cold snaps kill over 10 times as many people as heat waves.

    Give us back our cheap coal fired electricity7 & we will again be able to afford to run the air conditioning to protect ourselves from both heat & more importantly the cold.

    Wouldn't it be nice if journalists had enough math to be able to see when they are being conned.
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    4:59pm
    "enough math"

    You must be from the USA, Hasbeen? Are you living in Australia?

    For you information, here we call it "maths". Cheers.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:44am
    The private enterprise is more efficient lie, that created the private enterprise business model for power distribution is responsible for the massive price hikes....

    Any simpleton could tell you that the sudden 'need' to pay multiple 'ceos', 'board members', and shareholders would cause an instant hike in costs .... a public utility, in contrast has one 'ceo' - you may argue that such beings are vastly overpaid and god knows what their secret is to get there (in the NSWFB and Police it was - believe it - Mason membership!! My father and an uncle were firies, an uncle a senior police officer... another a top NRL referee but he wasn't a Mason).

    Anyway - if you equate 'efficiency' with lower costs for the same service - a public utility comes out country miles ahead...
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    7:33pm
    Yes, when we sold off our state-owned electricity assets, we sold our ability to set the price of electricity. The people lost everything & the CEO's had a field day, & so it continues.

    Coal is expensive, Hasbeen. You need to do the maths & don't forget to count the cost for the loss of Country (ask the local indigenous People about Adani, but our don't know how you'll calculate the cost of the loss of their Dreaming), the wastage of precious fresh water and the subsidies from governments. Did you know the QLD Govt. gave Adani a 5 year amnesty before they have to start paying any Royalties?
    Sceptic
    27th Sep 2019
    2:12pm
    The best thing to do is to just ignore this stuff that should not be distributed on this site. Shame on you Janelle Ward, Sports Journalist.
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    2:21pm
    Shame on you too Sceptic, not everyone agrees with your opinion, that is what this site is all about, enabling us to air our views and of course not everyone will agree with the topic or people's comments but we are lucky to live in a country where we can do this without consequences.
    Gra
    27th Sep 2019
    5:14pm
    And just for your info Misty, not everyone agrees with your opinion either. Seems only the misguided and simple people are falling for the Climate Change garbage.
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    7:15pm
    Exactly Gra, isn't that what I said in my comment above?, or didn't you read that far?
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    7:24pm
    I mean about not everyone agreeing with everyone's comments.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    11:52am
    Sports journalists breathe, too... and some leave us breathless....
    Mike Omment
    27th Sep 2019
    2:33pm
    Climate change is REAL. A couple of months ago the climate was cold, but ive noticed recently that its started to get warmer . This is the time to panic.
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    5:00pm
    That's weather, Mike, NOT climate!
    Theo1943
    27th Sep 2019
    8:21pm
    Mike, I'm ROTFL!
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    10:58pm
    Roby - don't make discussions about climate change party political. What is happening concerns people of all political persuasions.

    In many countries (UK for example) efforts to combat it are bi-and tri- partisan.

    Climate change is not a party political issue, like, say, level of taxation. etc.
    Chris G
    27th Sep 2019
    2:34pm
    Glacials (Ice Ages) & Inter-Glacials take thousands of years to evolve, and evolution it surely is - from glacial to inter-glacial, back to glacial etc. as the earth heats & cools.
    Humans have been on this planet for such a short period of time, geologically speaking. And recorded history is very limited as a consequence. We need to keep things in perspective. Our current "climate change" is just a "weather event" in the overall scheme of things.
    Mike Omment
    27th Sep 2019
    2:48pm
    The world will end next thursday
    GeorgeM
    27th Sep 2019
    5:05pm
    Better to say confidently that the world will end by the end of the century - that way no one can prove you are wrong who will still be alive then! Maybe such a book will sell!
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    7:37pm
    Yes, Mike. It's time to shove your head even deeper into the sand.
    floss
    27th Sep 2019
    2:50pm
    We are increasing our population for some reason mostly greed .Less water more people a
    disaster for the next generation.
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    5:02pm
    The population is increasing due to greed?

    Can you please explain, Floss?
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:50am
    .. the false paradigm that increasing population exponentially will ensure continued rise in GDP .... when it really creates a dilution of GDP so that it appears to be expanding... as an example - if you took the oxygen in the room of a political meeting, and constantly made it more diaphanous by sucking out the total quantity of air slowly hence creating the illusion of more PROPORTION of oxygen, soon the politicians would be brain dead from lack of oxygen, since there was not really more, but less......

    Oh .. hang on .. wait a minute...... let me find a better example for you .. the Parliamentary Zombies are already upon us in numbers.....
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:52am
    .. anyway - greed dictates that constantly forcing a population growth will cause markets to rise and rise and consumerism will drive the economy rather than genuine productivity, ensuring that the greedy on the inside will prosper mightily while the rest decline into poverty......

    Pretty simple really ....
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    11:57am
    Let's try it this way - we have a sealed room that can support twenty people with enough oxygen ..... we add five more people....... now the room cannot support the people in it.... but what increases is output of carbon dioxide, sweat, and other wastes along with the need for oxygen ... ergo - your gross domestic product and your oxygen market demand has gone up exponentially (it's not a linear graph) ... meantime the 25 people die slowly.... and certainly their standard of living is eroded .......

    GDP can be and sometimes is a great big lie - since it all depends on what your actual product is....

    That, moppets, is the fault with endless discussion of GDP and using population increase without clear thought to promote it...
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    7:49pm
    Rod63, I think floss meant that our economy depends on ever-increasing GPD growth, so that the greedy can continue to feast on the carcass of our economy.

    Australia has avoided Recession by increasing our population through immigration, without having to spend Surplus money by investing into the economy (like into the NDIS, infrastructure or increasing Pensions/Newstart). Investment into the economy will create demand, which creates inflation, which creates wage growth, which creates demand that stimulates the economy.

    But our greedy class don't want to spend money on us - they'd rather have a Surplus to boast about.
    Ginaus
    27th Sep 2019
    2:59pm
    Precisely, nutcases are scare mongering. There is no emergency climate change.. A couple of researchers, politicians, activists have omitted/manipulated reports to their advantage.. many are 'out of context'... No admissible proof has been provided.... stop being narrow minded...
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    5:04pm
    "A couple of researchers, politicians, activists".

    You're kidding, having us on aren't you? Just stirring. I can't think why else you would say that.
    Ginaus
    27th Sep 2019
    3:00pm
    Precisely, nutcases are scare mongering. There is no emergency climate change.. A couple of researchers, politicians, activists have omitted/manipulated reports to their advantage.. many are 'out of context'... No admissible proof has been provided.... stop being narrow minded...
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    5:04pm
    "A couple of researchers, politicians, activists".

    You're kidding, having us on aren't you? Just stirring. I can't think why else you would say that.
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    4:06pm
    I hope the moderator is taking note of some of these comments and takes appropriate action, no one should resort to rude and insulting remarks, name calling etc to get their views across.
    KSS
    27th Sep 2019
    6:13pm
    Why do you think this occasion should be any different Misty? The name calling here today is very light on compared to say when the likes of Mick get going.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    11:58am
    Oh... Mick's pretty straight .... not anywhere near as evil as some we've had pass through here...
    Andy
    27th Sep 2019
    4:18pm
    what bs (political) climate change is a thing of the past now time you people caught up older people have always had to be careful in the heat nothing new there
    Young
    27th Sep 2019
    4:38pm
    More aged people die over winter than summer.
    This article comes from university of NSW.I would not give it much credence.
    Gra
    27th Sep 2019
    5:17pm
    Good point Young, nothing worth taking notice of ever comes from that source (probably because they are on the sauce).
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:53am
    Jeez, Young - one of my alma maters was UNSW .... they're not that bad.... though at times I think the pollution of the Eastern Suburbs has gotten into their brains...
    Young
    27th Sep 2019
    4:41pm
    I like the comment made that the past hundred years or so is just a weather event in the scheme of things.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:54am
    Keep a weather eye on it....
    Gra
    27th Sep 2019
    5:03pm
    Are there any Australians working at the Actuaries Institute? Enough of this Climate Change crap, if these peanuts had been around as long as some of us retirees, they would realise these climate cycles have been occurring forever. Climate Change is simply another version of Global Warming which Al Gore was peddling and which was also found to be nothing more than scare mongering.
    Rod63
    27th Sep 2019
    5:05pm
    Sad.
    Mary
    27th Sep 2019
    6:18pm
    Why is it sad Rob about Gra's comment? We need action Rob. I am glad that you are care about the environment. We all do. I do especially. I respectfully ask what are you personally doing to be carbon neutral in your personal life? What have u done to lower your carbon footprint? I am open to know how you have personally have reduced your carbon emissions to 50% now and 30 % in a few more years time. All of us are responsible for the planet, not just the whacky skeptics. You are personally responsible as well. What are you doing Rob? and if you are doing nothing yourself, and blame others for climate change, and take no ownership of what your emmissions are in your life... then that is what is sad. I hope you are living what we preach. We both believe, but do we both live it. I do.. do you Rob?
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    7:22pm
    Mary I think it is Gra you should be directing your questions too, he is the one it seems who doesn't believe we need to do anything differently, not Rod63, Gra believes it is all scaremongering.
    Mary
    27th Sep 2019
    7:48pm
    Misty you and I can't change Gra's views. Rod you and I believe the same so my questions to Rod was to ask him to demonstrate to Gra that we live what we believe and show Gra that. Maybe that is wrong. But these are important times.. stay well Misty
    ChristineS
    27th Sep 2019
    6:14pm
    Le sigh. Yes, there has always been climate changes, ice ages, heat waves, droughts, etc. But the intensity and the rate is accelerating. That means going faster.

    Read the science:
    https://climate.nasa.gov/
    https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/Areas/Assessing-our-climate

    Read about the financial impact:
    http://www.insurancecouncil.com.au/issues-submissions/issues/climate-change
    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/compound-costs-how-climate-change-damages-australias-economy/

    And just for those who think it is all drama drummed up by young leftie dole bludgers: Try this article from more than 100 years ago. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/215519129

    The more enlightened amongst you might like to sign this petition calling on the Australian Government to declare a climate emergency. Those not so enlightened can call me names. (Sits back with a cup of tea and awaits nasty comments).

    https://www.aph.gov.au/petition_list?id=EN1041 Thank you.
    Mary
    27th Sep 2019
    7:01pm
    Christine, all above is fact so what do we do then? Declaring a climate change emergency changes nothing, It won't happen.. so It is about you and me and the billions of people around the world to do something sensible... All of us can ban fossil fuels from our everyday lives by not buying any product or service derived or delivered from carbon fossil fuels. This is to get our combined carbon footprint as low as possible. that would be a start. I respectfully ask. what are you and your family personally doing to lower your combined carbon footprint to 50%? Christine please post back and let me know. I believe in what you say but too many people preach to others on what they should do without applying anything they preach to their own personal lives. We can make a difference Christine
    ChristineS
    27th Sep 2019
    7:59pm
    Hi Mary, thank you for your thoughtful response. The idea of the petition is to get the current government to face up to what scientists see as the facts. Currently Australia is NOT doing well.

    What am I doing? Getting better all the time, at doing the Refuse, Reduce, Reuse, Repurpose, Repair, Recycle.
    Drive a smaller vehicle, and not a lot. Use public transport when viable.
    Eat vegetarian/vegan meals about 5 days out of 7. I would do it 7/7 but husband insists he needs dead animal flesh. Reducing dairy intake - use soy milk. I do love cheese which is not good for the planet.
    Use my own produce bags I made from an Op Shop curtain for shopping for loose vegies - not the plastic ones on the roll that are too convenient.
    Don't drink coffee in one-use landfill cups.
    Take my own shopping bags.
    Take my own water bottle.
    Have solar panels on my roof.
    Turn off TV and lights when not in use.
    Wash clothing in cold water.
    Take my own cutlery to fast food outlets, avoid plastic containers, refuse straws.
    Pay for carbon credits when I fly to see family in the Eastern States.
    Recycle my washing machine water onto my garden. Don't use reticulation.
    Remove weeds by hand, not by poison.
    Compost kitchen scraps.

    So doing a fair bit
    Theo1943
    27th Sep 2019
    8:33pm
    Christine S Flying is not quite as bad as people make it out to be. If you want to visit your family in the Eastern States, as you of course should when able, and I'm doing in a few weeks, the most environmentally friendly way to do so is to fly. A modern aircraft uses the equivalent of 2 litres or less of fuel per hundred kms per passenger. Way better than a car with four people in it whom you would also have to feed and accommodate for three days.
    I agree we should make our footprint on the plant as small as practical whilst still having a lifestyle. I wish all the food we buy used much less plastic in their packaging.
    I read this morning that Brownes milk is changing next month to a new type of carton which uses no plastic lining making it far easier to recycle.
    Couldabeen
    27th Sep 2019
    11:08pm
    Mary, 100% of the foods and other services that we consume and rely on for everyday life have been produced and delivered using fossil fuels. It is fossil fuels that give us the freedoms and quality of life that we Australians enjoy everyday.
    Even the idea of reducing fossil fuel dependency by having solar panels on the roof ignores the fact that their entire manufacturing, delivery and installation was 100% dependent on fossil fuels. The petrochemical industry is what has created your computer or tablet or smart phone.
    You cannot unscramble the egg that is modern life.
    Mary
    27th Sep 2019
    7:27pm
    "I am angry that the earth will be dead in 12 years because Co2 will be at 93 % of the atmosphere in 2030 and no plant or animal or human will be able to breathe or live. It is disgusting that our govt does nothing. We have No Planet B!!!!" a quote by my neighbour, 13 year old Jai whom attended the climate march last Friday. So LC, why bother talking about how long OUR finances last! We are in the last few years of life for this planet. As most of us on this site know, the science is settled. We will all be dead in 12 years time. Fools that can't see what is the climate devastation to mother earth that is happening RIGHT now!! are killing us earlier!!!! I hate skeptics!!!!
    Couldabeen
    27th Sep 2019
    11:01pm
    OK Mary, ignore the skeptics and run with some science and honesty.
    I'm not sure who is pulling the chain on the 12 year old with the idiotic claim that the atmosphere will be 93% CO2 by 2030, but they are criminally irresponsible and dangerous.
    The present percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is 0.04%. It is physically and chemically impossible for it to rise to 93%. Plants would thrive on the higher concentrations and the bio-feedback effect would greatly increase the production of Oxygen before the level of CO2 would rise to a level where it could effect animal life.
    To remind you, the atmosphere is nominally 80% Nitrogen and 20% Oxygen, yes, the CO2 has to jostle with dozens of other gases to make up around 1% in varying proportions.
    As has been said by Australia's chief scientist, who has studied the situation, even if Australia shut down all of our CO2 producing activities (including exporting coal to provide power to the millions of poor in India and China), it would make no detectable change to climate change globally and have absolutely no effect on the weather in Australia.
    The biosphere on planet Earth is very resilient and is not in as great a danger as the hysterical mobs protesting in the streets would believe. Notice how few of those waving placards and holding banners have completed Year 12 Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Biology and History, let alone done Science or Engineering at University.
    This planet will continue with the existing life forms for millions of years to come. There is neither an impending mass extinction looming nor a real climate emergency. Do not burn your bridges yet as they will be needed until you reach your normal life expectancy and beyond.
    By the way, no responsible and ethical Scientist ever says "the science is settled", for they all know that for every answer to a question, another hundred questions open up ahead.
    Misty
    27th Sep 2019
    11:42pm
    Not all life that exists on earth at the moment will last for millions of years, look how many plants, animals, birds and other living things have become extinct over the last Century and look like becoming extinct in the near future.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    11:23am
    Oh, well - if it's that bad it's already too late...

    Twelve years, you say? May as well start partying and SKIing then ...
    Mike Omment
    27th Sep 2019
    10:30pm
    mary would that be a Thursday????
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    2:24am
    Good! Then the clowns running the show should have planned better... now it's every man for himself...

    When I were walking to school, it was sometimes 109 deg F - and the hose froze in winter.... and the full moon was enormous (maybe Ed Harris - director in The Truman Show, moved it closer back then... ramped up the heat and cold.....)

    28th Sep 2019
    10:35am
    Well on today's standards i think it is all the fault of white males - old white males.These old white males have done this in an attack on women. - Guilty. At the same time more females enter University than men, women have Government initiated programs not available to men, equal applicants for a job and then women get the appointment. Sexism is the greatest authorised tool against old white men. That is mostly because these white men caused climate change.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    11:29am
    Bloke asked me the other day - in response to a similar comment I put out elsewhere - what 'special privileges girls/women got' - I said - "Look around you."

    Sexism is also against young white men, gillham - they find that out rapidly once they move into the workforce and away from the opportunity to hide behind teacher's skirts - or trousers these days in many cases.. they don't even realise they are seeking to prosper in a weighted school education system that seeks to de-ball them... and many of them think what they are being handed is the Good Oil, and they even line up to take their dose of de-balling medicine.

    I've started work on a book titled "The Handy-Man's Tale".... far more apt for our kind of society than that highly fictional 'Handmaid's Tale" - an absolutely fantasist novel that is becoming a 'bible' for countless women and even young men.

    The Handy-Man's Tale, on the other hand, is designed to state the simple truths in a fictional setting - not be an utter myth like THMT... I suspect many will feel its bite when it is finished....
    Linda
    28th Sep 2019
    11:56am
    Who, of those so proud to spout their denial of pending doom, actually knows anything about the situation except what they read some where, or, spoke to a person who also does not really know anything about the dangerous road ahead? With mass extinctions of insects, including bees, you won't have to worry about the climate because you will likely stave to death first. Water is already scarce and that will be moreso going forward.
    Some of the pundits appear to be correct, the oldies, in general have simply closed their minds on this and it is more than disappointing to see. The I have mine screw you attitudes are also at play here. Wealthy folks, who became wealthy on the industries that continue to make things worse, globally don't give one stuff about your wellbeing, and they certainly don't care as long as they believe their money can buy themselves out of the consequences of their attitudes. Reading the numbers of comments here makes me feel sick and ashamed of those who want to deny the issues. The young folks are correct to be very worried, and anxious. Anyone who understands the future story will be anxious. This is not a debate that is about politics it is a debate about humanity and life on earth.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    12:02pm
    Same general criticism applies to those who wholeheartedly accept it, Linda... your thinking is correct, but it does not encompass all points of view and hand to each equal treatment.....

    It's called partisanship..... and it is not the answer to anything but escalating conflict ....
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    12:10pm
    But isn't it betterto err on the side of caution rather then to be sorry later if there is no going back?
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    1:27pm
    In that case, Misty - what certainty is there that adopting one course will actually be more beneficial than another? It is possible that more harm could be done to humanity and other species via the actions mooted for controlling OUR 'greenhouse gases'... what if that is wrong, and the world is plunged into poverty and disease etc through dismantling all that holds up current societies?
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    1:39pm
    I just launched the suspicion elsewhere that the 85% claimed to be onside with 'climate change' (whatever that means today and tomorrow) may be the ones being duped... since it is frankly impossible, in a society in which the masses are controlled to the extent that the climate acceptors claim the deniers to be, for a majority to NOT be duped....

    It's like the old worn-out feminist arguments about 'male oppression' - without those 'males' and their non-oppression women would not have the vote etc at all... N.B - Universal Male Suffrage became the rule here in 1896 - at the first opportunity in 1900 to vote on it, UMS voted for women to have UFS = US for ALL. Meantime, in Britain, the shenanigans of the suffragettes meant that the British Parliament and people would not approve UFS - for the simple reason that those shenanigans showed that women were not sufficiently responsible to have the vote.... and they didn't get it until 1920..

    My grandmother - being the older - had the vote before my grandfather.... just a footnote.....

    We should stick to reality ....
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    1:40pm
    Similarly - without the tacit approval of City Hall - the climate change acceptors would have no forum at all........ think it through.....
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    1:53pm
    What is your beef with women TREBOR?, it comes across loud and clear in your comments.
    Anonymous
    28th Sep 2019
    2:24pm
    The beef with women is that they are selfish and detest men. It is ingrained and habitual, and one of the primary ideologies such as the subject climate change, immigration, and the prime one of them all with total immunity - singular promotion of that portion of 52% of the population over the remaining 48%, intentionally and with immunity and impunity.

    Please read again if you do not understand. I am optimistic.

    And the treatment of men, white men in particular, comes across 'loud and clear'. I might add men have 'HAD ENOUGH', with sanctioned sexism.
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    2:56pm
    My 54 year old son just read your comment gillham and his opinion is that you have a beef against women too
    Anonymous
    28th Sep 2019
    3:02pm
    He's correct. It is a mirror image reaction.
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    5:46pm
    My son does not have a beef against women or anyone else for that matter.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    7:34pm
    He's young yet... maybe his luck will run out...

    As a gentle soul filled with the milk of human kindness, as anyone who knows me will testify - there was not one reason on earth for the things done.... and emotion of the moment simply does not cut it in reality, when real harm can be done to innocents.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    7:46pm
    ..and of course, you're wrong, Misty - most of my comments do not involve my placing of the ideology called feminism lower than a skunk's belly ... it is the ideology and the support every whim it has is handed by government, often through unwarranted abuse of the right to legal proceedings, that must be overthrown if the West is to return to sanity.

    Giving in to the first demands was the worst thing government did - and then they compounded the fatal error for society by installing preferential treatment in order to somehow attain 'equality'... now that preferential treatment has become the order of the day - not a short-term policy with a clear and defined objective...

    This, in turn, has created a climate in which most people despise government, and in which the violence of the feminist revolution and from the state acting on its behalf is being met with violence from far too many ... violence begets violence, and any move towards a ceasefire between women and men (not the other way around) must start with the first ports of call for the exercise of violence....

    "You steal my life when you steal my means of making a life...." paraphrasing Shakespeare... Merchant of Venice..
    inextratime
    28th Sep 2019
    12:23pm
    I will believe in Climate Emergency when all the existing believers stop using their cars, computers, phones, aircraft and everything else that contributes to carbon emissions because when they do I know that they stand by their rhetoric. However until then talk is cheap and gives some people a nice fuzzy glow without contributing to the cause which basically means they don't think taking action is worth it.
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    1:10pm
    Off topic I know but this Federal Govt has announced an inquiry into pensioners and rerirement income, on their list is Super, Assets Test and Wealth handed down through generations and goodness only knows what else, maybe even Franking Credits if they think it won't lose them any votes.
    Anonymous
    28th Sep 2019
    2:01pm
    Well Misty, already men have no one for whom they can vote. White men in particular. But you can be assured the Government enquiry will only be to see where they can reduce thresholds to lessen entitlements. As a self funded retiree and a white male i already recieve not one concession despite working all my life providing for my family. No female choice of whether to work or not. My family simply relied on my income no matter what the career options.That was through the 'bad one income per family' era' when women were discriminated against for not being the one who had to work.

    White men are alienated from our, sorry, your Society so do not whinge. You've got nothing to whinge about. But then again, your numerical input suggests, your female habitual whinge is prevalent. Must be because you are discriminated against
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    3:55pm
    Biggest load of rubbish I have ever read gillham.
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    3:57pm
    What's this white men's nonsense, do you have a thing about coloured men too?
    Anonymous
    28th Sep 2019
    3:59pm
    Yes Misty, a woman's point of view. See nothing in anything but what suits yourself. Yes the climate, between men and women, dictated by women, is uncomfortable and this climate change needs to be applied.
    Misty
    28th Sep 2019
    5:49pm
    I think you will find you views are in the minority here gillham, about women and coloured people.
    Anonymous
    28th Sep 2019
    6:14pm
    Wrong again Misty. I respect the Indigenous. I do not respect 'identity' politics.
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    7:36pm
    I respect everyone I meet - ask them - I also do not respect ideologies and injustice...

    It's a long, hard, road back to reality for the West - that time is coming... and not from within, but from without on account of the political failings of the West, not least to its own people.
    Misty
    29th Sep 2019
    10:19pm
    Gillham and TREBOR have you ever thought of moving to Saudi Arabia to live?, women there have little control over their lives, can't hardly do a thing without a man's permission.
    Anonymous
    30th Sep 2019
    4:54pm
    Well Misty you have just demonstrated the present day female lack of willingness to hear both sides of the story. Thank you. Voluntary demonstration of the female lack of balance in operation of our Society. A fine example of why our education system is heavily lopsided by intentional changes to benefit one gender over the other. And then lack of integrity to address intentionally initiated imbalance. Thanks again Misty.

    And I will add that here men have little control over their lives, just like women in Saudi Arabia because women dominate applicable initiatives. Initiatives that lack balance. Then again you would also be an expert on Saudi Arabia because of your experience there no doubt. We are talking of AUSTRALIA. Not some other misgiving. Fix this house before using the convenience of other unrelated diversion.
    Anonymous
    30th Sep 2019
    5:10pm
    And hey Misty, here's another comment. We have two men who have a different opinion to women in Australia so they should move to Saudi Arabia. Brilliant.

    Attack the carriers. Not the message.
    Misty
    30th Sep 2019
    6:26pm
    Don't know what planet you are from gillam but all the men I know and have come in contact with have complete control over their lives and if they didn't have you ever thought that maybe that is because the choose to live that way?
    Anonymous
    30th Sep 2019
    7:22pm
    I have control over my life Misty. what women wish to implant will never effect me However I do not accept that 52% of the population receive preferential status and treatment under the banner of 'protected species'. Also I have a grandson who should not be subject to absolute endorsed gender bias. Implemented at the behest of women of all ages against little boys who face education, workplace appointments and gender based recruitment programs for girls and nil for boys, and a prospective later in life Family Court bias. the outcomes for boys is BULLYING. I only worry about people who deserve worrying about or help. Not myself. Not based on gender like our present ill driven biased Social doctrine. I am the old kind of male. Yes kind, but with the backbone to front anything without head on without distraction. You know the type of male that made the Country, only to now subsequently be subjected tpreceive derision from the ruling 52% inferiority complex obsessed based gender.Those in denial are as bad as those in misdirected ideology. ie 'hatred of the complementary component of our population.
    Misty
    1st Oct 2019
    12:23am
    You and I will never agree on this subject gilham.
    Anonymous
    1st Oct 2019
    7:53am
    Well Misty what you say is pleasing for me. You have not addressed one of the aspects that i have raised. All you have reverted to is character assassination. The subject of the article was climate change. Well the climate change between men and women, at the obsessional behest of women, has been dismantled. And can now never be revitalised, because to achieve such would require balance.
    Misty
    1st Oct 2019
    11:26am
    It may surprise you gillham but this topic is about weather climate changes, nothing to do with a persons personal thoughts on the relationship between men and women, in society and politics.
    Anonymous
    1st Oct 2019
    3:51pm
    Gee you are attentive Misty. A witheringly clever female. You have made a foo, of yourself by not grasping the satirical use of 'climate change'. There is climate change and then there is climate between men and women. Have a think on it. But don't dwell on it and waste your time. Bit out of your league.
    Misty
    1st Oct 2019
    6:40pm
    A foo? gillham?, you are the fool, of course there is climate between men and women, that is if you want to use those words to describe the relationship but I have never heard it used before in that way. However, as I said above, the topic being discussed here is not about that.
    Anonymous
    1st Oct 2019
    6:55pm
    Well Misty, 'now about that', why are you discussing it. Your whole range of comments to this article only make comment, corrective comment, on other people's input. No original input from yourself. And you do not like people with dark coloured skin because you rampantly draw them into a discussion. ie using racism as a weapon. Just like women using sexism as a weapon. Consistent. I'll give you that.
    Anonymous
    1st Oct 2019
    7:01pm
    Women are also consistent at failing Mathematics that's why we need a STEM program. Science, technology and Engineering included. And now we call it STEMM to include Medicine. All so we can have programs for females to do better in those subjects. Nil. Repeat nil similar programs for males. Consistent again. Yet females already make up 60% of University entrants.
    Misty
    1st Oct 2019
    7:42pm
    What rot gillham, you are the one who introduced colour into these comments, going on about white men, not men in general.

    28th Sep 2019
    2:53pm
    And to think I used to recommend YourLifeChoices to friends.....no, not any more I cannot believe the conversations that supposedly educated, life experienced, ADULTS(?) are conducting on this site. I got mad at you lot once and unsubscribe from the update emails, but now I just think I will leave YourLifeChoice altogether as My Life Choice not to read such c--p coming out of Seniors, Retirees, and trolls with nothing better to do than fight amongst themselves instead of talking about the REAL issues! Your should be ashamed of yourselves, if not....get a Facebook page or a counsellor!
    TREBOR
    28th Sep 2019
    7:37pm
    Which side are you on in the discussion? Just so we understand the ground rules here....
    Mikko
    29th Sep 2019
    8:44am
    What a load of BS - climate change is real but there are more natural factors at play (including solar orbits, movement of the magnetic poles, ocean currents) over which we have no control. And if heatwaves will kill more older people, blame the push for unreliable expensive renewable energy which can't supply baseload power. Also cold kills more than heat. Go for a swim, turn on the air con and don't fret about what governments can't control anymore than King Canute could stop the tide from rising.
    jaycee1
    1st Oct 2019
    11:38am
    I can remember being told in the 1960's that an Ice age was way overdue and we should expect it to start within 20 years.
    Well lookee here, 40 odd years later they have changed it to climate warming.
    The planet has heated up or gone into ice ages for millions of years and will continue to do so when man has either perished or gone on to destroy another world.
    fishy
    1st Oct 2019
    12:33pm
    this climate change is rubbish its called the weather and here is a news flash 2019 20 will be a bad drought we have schools brain washing our grand kids the world is ending with them protesting about what ? In years to come how many might take their own life because they fear the end is near they are that screwed up now kids a committing suicide because they don't get enough likes on Facebook So grand parents and Parents wake up and teach them real facts and history before you read about another youth suicide that might be your family
    Nose Hair Bob
    2nd Oct 2019
    1:22pm
    A heated debate on here.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Oct 2019
    6:07pm
    Greta Thunberg is one of the future's leaders.
    The World will have to choose between Capitalism-as-we-know-it and the future.
    Capitalism or future?
    Greed or life?

    Eventually our leaders will be forced to choose life, but in the meantime, Capitalism is feeding the fears of little people who can only think of the next 20 years and having enough money for their own comfortable retirement. These same frightened people voted for the LNP in our last election because they were duped into believing 1,200 jobs at Adani Coal were more important than the whole north QLD tourism trade that employs over 60,000 jobs.
    Change will inevitably come, but the greedy people who can only think of themselves are hindering the progress necessary to make future generation's lives bearable.
    Mary
    3rd Oct 2019
    7:55pm
    Hoohoo, Well said! We need all of us to keep bashing our country and Govt. Because if we as a nation do nothing and if the Australian Govt does nothing "we will all die in 12 years" (Quote from US Senator Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) . Other posters have attacked China and India as being in the top 4 of carbon emitters yet they ignore that Australia has one of the highest per capita greenhouse emissions. These ignorant people don't know that the United nations classify both China and India as countries that are developing nations that are not accountable under the Paris agreement. Both countries are rightly trying to reduce their emissions whilst trying to drag their people out of abject poverty. They need our help to do that, and If that is compensation then we need to pay it to them. The US and Australia need to be accountable for causing this climate crises. The US and Australia need to pay reparations for both of our countries 200 years of environmental vandalism and Indifference. If you define a serial killer in 2030. Their names will be The United states of America and the Capitalist Republic of Australia.
    Nose Hair Bob
    4th Oct 2019
    12:28am
    I like Mary.


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