Could fairytales soon become a thing of the past in Australian schools?

The Respectful Relationships program aims to address gender stereotypes.

Could fairytales soon become a thing of the past in Australian schools?

Could treasured fairytales be at risk of censorship in schools or, perhaps worse, be eliminated from the curriculum altogether? Is this going a step too far?

A Victorian Government plan to address family violence could see beloved fairytales ‘watered down’ to help educate children about issues such as sexism and family violence.

Not only is Baa Baa Black Sheep already being referred to as Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep in schools, but soon we may also see Snow White holding the sword.

The Respectful Relationships program will mean that traditional fairytales, such as Cinderella, Rapunzel and Sleeping Beauty, as well as children’s toys, go under the microscope, to see whether they promote gender stereotypes learned as young as four years old.

The program argues that some fairytales may reinforce gender norms which, in turn, create ‘a sense of entitlement in boys and lower self-esteem in girls’.

The learning aid states: ‘Analyses of popular books have found that central characters are more likely to be male, female characters are more often in nurturing roles, and occupations are gender-stereotyped’.

At first glance, one may say that this is yet another example of a Nanny State running rampant. But upon closer inspection, it’s not all that bad.

The program, recommended by the family violence royal commission, simply aims to teach students how to read critically, giving them the ability to question the stories they read and the videos they watch and encouraging them to be more inclusive.

Although there is much speculation that Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews is attempting to ban fairytales in classrooms, Mr Andrews says that’s simply not the case.

“We are very much in favour of kids reading stories and then sitting down and talking about them,” said Mr Andrews.

“It is called learning.

“Learning is about reading books and talking about them, it is a proper thing to do, it is not new.”

He added that children’s stereotypical attitudes towards women should be challenged at a young age.

“I think there are lots of attitudes formed in many different ways over a long period of time,” said Mr Andrews.

“Those attitudes are, in aggregate, leading to some really bad outcomes for women.

“We have to challenge that and do everything we possibly can. But the notion the Government is banning fairytales is just a fairytale itself.”

One Melbourne teacher disagrees with the program, saying that students were too young to understand the message anyway.

“I would rather be teaching them how to read, write and count. We really don’t need to crowd out the curriculum with this social engineering.”

Read more about the Respectful Relationships program

Is this going a step too far? Is the program forcing children to learn about gender stereotypes and violence too early, or does it have merit? Should the learning aid also query why we have a male dwarf named Dopey?

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    Jezemeg8
    7th Apr 2017
    10:13am
    Instead of banning anything, which after all only increases the attractiveness of the banned object, why not use the opportunity presented when reading such fairy tales etc to a child to discuss with the child what he/she thinks of the way the character behaved and what he/she would have done differently..

    There are gender stereotypes everywhere, but children aren't taught to recognize them by stopping their exposure to them. Give the children the tools to think through individual situations and make sound decisions for themselves.
    MICK
    8th Apr 2017
    4:55am
    First the politically correct crown ban Noddy and Big Ears and now they are after fairytales.
    It would be more pertinent if the do gooders who are unelected concentrated on pulling the porn and stereotyping of our youth off the TV broadcasts. These do a heck of a lot more damage than any fairytale ever did.........but of course they have no interest is this garbage which puts a whole pile of unbelievable nonsense into the minds of the last few generations.
    GoldenOldie
    7th Apr 2017
    10:34am
    Precisely what I used to do as a high school English teacher, without an 'official' program. If you deconstruct this article as is commonly done with fairy tales and nursery rhymes, this is revealed as a typical beat up of a non-story by the media!
    Mimi
    7th Apr 2017
    11:01am
    Children are more likely to be exposed to the saccharine Disney versions of fairy tales from animated movies rather than story books. Also in Victorian times, traditional fairy tales, which were often quite brutal, were sanitised. Eg the evil characters were often mothers, and the Victorians changed them to step-mothers, as it was thought that mothers would not treat children badly, eg in Cinderella. As a child I read some of the Arabic fairy tales, and the Norse legends, which often portray strong women, as well as the concepts of good versus evil, and can quite gory, but exciting to a child's imagination. Personally I think we should leave political correctness out of stories, and allow children some fantasy in their lives.
    jackie
    7th Apr 2017
    11:02am
    The ban will enforce gender stereotypes to suit a Government. Fairy tales have been around since the dawn of time and have hurt no one. Next children will be enforced to be micro-chipped for their good.
    Sen.Cit.90
    7th Apr 2017
    12:29pm
    I agree with you jackie. Just a load of codswallop created by underworked salaried bludgers.
    Gwen46
    7th Apr 2017
    6:24pm
    I agree jackie. Such Politically Correct rubbish. It is NOT the influence of Fairy Tales. I brought my son up on a "Diet" of Fairy Tales and Enid Blyton. He is a wonderful Husband, and loving father of two happy children. Let our children experience the fantasy of fairy tales.
    jackie
    8th Apr 2017
    10:50am
    Gwen45...I loved all the Enid Blyton books as a child and brought my children up on them too. Blyton was a marvellous author. I feel sorry for the children of today. They are raised on junk food and made to sit on their backsides all day long until their parents drive them to school or some organised activity.
    inextratime
    7th Apr 2017
    11:06am
    It makes you wonder how any of us survived our upbringings ! Woman are nurturers by nature and have physical capabilities that men do not have and vice versa. To try and pretend that we are all the same is a bit like stopping the tide from coming in. When we the experts acknowledge that we all have brains and can make our own minds up without the interference of people telling us how we should think. Fairy tales are just that and if explained that's what they are, changing the characters appears futile. As for changing the name of baba black sheep to baba rainbow sheep, its another indication the world is going mad.
    Pushkin2
    7th Apr 2017
    11:12am
    A rather pointless exercise. Kids will see far worse on TV, internet or movies, or even the playground. They quickly realise that so-called fairy tales are just that, imaginative stories developed over time as folk tales to teach a lesson or illustrate a parable e.g. Hansel and Gretel, Pied Piper of Hamlein etc. Nevertheless Disney has a lot to answer for ... but try to keeping the kids away from it!
    jackie
    7th Apr 2017
    2:59pm
    I agree ....Little girls are encouraged to wear provocative clothing by the fashion and music industry. Children are being exposed to explicit violence, death, sex and music from very early ages through the media. Yet fairy tales confuse gender identity? It all sounds like another tax payer funded wrought to prepare child protection legislations to become more relaxed for child exploitation...
    KSS
    7th Apr 2017
    8:31pm
    I disagree jackie. Little girls are not encouraged to wear provocative clothing by the fashion industry or music industry at all. Its their mothers who buy it for their 'mini-me'. That's the real problem, the mothers think it is cute - why do they put babies in bikinis? Why but kiddie high-heels for three year olds? If mothers didn't buy it, manufacturers wouldn't make it. Simple!
    jackie
    8th Apr 2017
    10:55am
    KSS Yes there are some mothers that want their little girl to be a mini-me but there are many spoiled little girls who are babysat by the television and influenced by the commercials and programs they watch.
    KSS
    8th Apr 2017
    5:35pm
    Some kids are no doubt babysat by TV, Ipads and the like BUT it is STILL the Mothers buying the mini-me goods. A simple NO! and mean it is all that is needed. Until such times as these children have their own money they are beholden to parents to clothe them. Enough said.
    Oldie84
    7th Apr 2017
    11:16am
    This is just more idiocy coming from the so-called 'Progressives".
    Looking at all this tosh going on I can't stop wondering how we grew up unscathed and managed to rear well adjusted children of our own. I despair sometimes when I read what passes for educated debate and ideas, God help us.
    Julian
    7th Apr 2017
    12:33pm
    Spot on.
    Gwen46
    7th Apr 2017
    6:25pm
    Exactly !
    Adrianus
    7th Apr 2017
    11:17am
    Albert Einstein is quoted as saying, "if you want your children to be intelligent than read them fairy tales." It appears that some people will stop at nothing to push their own agenda. Even if it means shaping the views of other people's children.
    Joy Anne
    7th Apr 2017
    11:19am
    Yes I agree with Jezemega8. Let children think through the process themselves. The more you take things from them the more they want to know about Why.
    I know of 2 little girls who love fairy tales and probably more children do also. If you take this away then children eventually will want to find out WHY. This is wrong, very wrong, let children be children, their lives have changed so much with political correctness and this is plain stupid.
    John1945
    7th Apr 2017
    11:22am
    Banning books, or any variation of it, is just another leftist political correctness idea.
    Same idea as banning Christmas because it might offend somebody !
    I agree with teaching children to be critical readers.

    7th Apr 2017
    11:24am
    When things are going bad for a government they use the "Oh look over there, a koala!" tactic. This is just another side issue to take away from the disaster that is the current Victorian government. Keating was a master of the tactic, every time the was asked a difficult question, he raised the possibility of changing our flag. The opposition had to rush to protect our flag and so the subject was changed to one of Keating's choice.
    Old Geezer
    7th Apr 2017
    11:25am
    Begs the question what are the teachers going to teach our kids now. It's all fairy tales from what I see.
    ianjs
    7th Apr 2017
    11:41am
    Citation needed.

    The whole black sheep thing is an urban myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baa,_Baa,_Black_Sheep#Modern_controversies

    Unsurprisingly this article has no actual references to the "Victorian Government plan" any more than the tabloid idiots that started the whole thing.
    ianjs
    7th Apr 2017
    11:41am
    Citation needed.

    The whole black sheep thing is an urban myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baa,_Baa,_Black_Sheep#Modern_controversies

    Unsurprisingly this article has no actual references to the "Victorian Government plan" any more than the tabloid idiots that started the whole thing.
    Jess M
    7th Apr 2017
    11:50am
    Why are people saying fairy tales are to be banned. Nobody has said that. In fact they are just talking about getting the children to THINK about what they mean. We should all be taught to think about things we read and not just except them no matter what age. I agree with Golden Oldie he/she says it all.
    Ming
    7th Apr 2017
    11:54am
    What rubbish! the government would be a joke if it was not so serious. Daniel Andrews and his government should get a life and address the crime in the state.
    Barbara Mathieson
    7th Apr 2017
    11:57am
    Media having a slowwww day!
    Bowsa
    7th Apr 2017
    12:12pm
    How can any Government want to ban Fairy Tales when they want us to live them, by accepting all their tales and promises.More than ever there are people wanting to get the government involved in how our children are brought up by pushing their own agendas.No matter how sincere ,or controlling,they are it is the governments job to protect kids who are vulnerable to all types of mistreatment ,to provide education facilities to guide them to the employment they want to pursue so they will make a contribution to their life style and ,hopefully, a better world.Please stay out of how we want our children to grow otherwise.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    12:48am
    ..because they themselves do not realise that they are living a fairy tale, and assume that the entire world runs according to their limited experience and contacts and is run according to whatever discussion and vote they take in their navel-gazing party room ....

    That's why we need to get rid of politicians in this nation, and replace them with men and women of good will and experience and ability.

    Hope that helps to clear that question up....
    fedup
    7th Apr 2017
    12:12pm
    No wonder that parents are sending their children to private schools in droves. Indoctrination of young minds is what is being pushed these days let children be children for as long as they can plenty of time before they have to cope with reality. Even today I love going to children's movies no language in them & are more entertaining than some so called adult ones.
    Brissiegirl
    7th Apr 2017
    12:27pm
    Indoctrination of young minds is rampant. My family has left wing teachers who often hint how they influence their students to think along "progressive" lines. Our country is heading in a very confused direction with change for the sake of change making a stable future highly doubtful. Some older people are saying they are glad they won't have to see Australia modelling Europe and the UK - what a terrible indictment on our politicians and educators of recent decades. I hope there's enough of us left to make our self-congratulating, virtue-signalling politicians listen and revert to policies that protect our freedom of speech, a natural family environment for our kids, and preseerve the western culture that our ancestors fought and died for. Because our prospects ain't looking too good right now!
    rover
    7th Apr 2017
    12:23pm
    Get real. A black sheep is a black sheep, seen plenty of them. I guess a rainbow sheep is something to behold but haven't come across one yet.
    geofftuke
    7th Apr 2017
    3:38pm
    They are probably referring to unicorns farting rainbows!
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    12:10am
    From memory: E&OE. This should get the PC brigade frothing at the mouth.

    Baa Baa Black Sheep have you any wool? . Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full. One for the master, one for the dame and one for the little boy who lives down the lane.
    Eddy
    8th Apr 2017
    8:27pm
    Interesting what is the real meaning of this rhyme. One version is that 'the master' was the king, 'the dame' was the church and the 'little boy' is the poor farmer taxed at 66%.
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    8:46pm
    Origins of nursery rhymes have in many cases are unknown. This fro Wikipedia is a logical one . Notice that the PC fraternity hi-jacked the meaning and had to find a way (excuse) to relate it to black people (slaves).

    Origins and meaning[edit]

    As with many nursery rhymes, attempts have been made to find origins and meanings for the rhyme, most which have no corroborating evidence.[1] Katherine Elwes Thomas in The Real Personages of Mother Goose (1930) suggested that the rhyme referred to resentment at the heavy taxation on wool.[5] This has particularly been taken to refer to the medieval English "Great" or "Old Custom" wool tax of 1275, which survived until the fifteenth century.[1] More recently the rhyme has been connected to the slave trade, particularly in the southern United States.[6] This explanation was advanced during debates over political correctness and the use and reform of nursery rhymes in the 1980s, but has no supporting historical evidence.[7] Rather than being negative, the wool of black sheep may have been prized as it could be made into dark cloth without dyeing
    Julian
    7th Apr 2017
    12:31pm
    Idiots.
    Priscilla
    7th Apr 2017
    12:38pm
    What a lot of rubbish. To think that these people are actually paid to do this is mind boggling! We have all grown up with fairy tales and have had no ill affects from this exposure.
    Mum
    7th Apr 2017
    12:44pm
    Yes, it's going too far. That said, the new Beauty and the Beast film was way too graphic.
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    9:19pm
    The latest version, with gays. Should be boycotted.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    1:57am
    Oh, you Beast - you BEAST!
    sunny
    7th Apr 2017
    12:46pm
    Modern Context of Baa baa Black Sheep: Racist? Unemployed White people, Gay interpretation of the boy who knits his own socks.

    Fairytale context: It rhymes, its fun, its sing-songey, its INNOCENT and for children.
    Draganotz
    7th Apr 2017
    12:47pm
    The whole progressive liberal agenda is the freakin' fairytale that should be banned. As soon as this generation's obsession with PC is over there will be a return to good 'ol common sense and values.
    KB
    7th Apr 2017
    12:49pm
    Let children be children and allow them to have their fairy stories.Young children do not understand what they mean.Political correctness gone too far. Soon Ftaher Christmas will be banned as Santa Claus is male orientated.Children need some enjoyment while they are young.
    Rosret
    7th Apr 2017
    12:54pm
    Mythical beings banned. - Mmmm. Now I wonder where the line would be drawn on that one.
    People go to war over their mythical beings.
    KSS
    7th Apr 2017
    8:38pm
    KB you are way behind the times. Christmas and all the things that go with it have already been banned in many areas. No carols, no Merry Christmas greetings, no Santa... All replaced with seasonal songs, Happy Holidays greetings and extra presents from Mum and Dad!
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:00am
    Send the kitchen scraps for the orphans to the rubbish tip... no more merciful beheadings... and Cancel Christmas! and while you're at it - fling a few orphans into a snow drift to make a statement.... and you should thank me for not cutting your heart out with a spoon!

    (arrgh)
    Rosret
    7th Apr 2017
    12:50pm
    Hahahaha! Next they will want female 'GO' signs. Oh yes - they are doing that already.
    Have you watched Bewitched? Its a very interesting reflection of the time. I never noticed it as a child but I do now. Its OK and it should still be viewed - its history.
    bobbalinda
    7th Apr 2017
    12:57pm
    What utter garbage! Probably the same mob who had Noddy banned!
    bobbalinda
    7th Apr 2017
    12:57pm
    What utter garbage! Probably the same mob who had Noddy banned!
    Blossom
    7th Apr 2017
    1:00pm
    Let's change the "title" and call them "animated stories"
    Thomas the Tank Engine - they all have male names
    Bob the Builder - a male's name
    Jack and the Beanstalk
    Chuggington - all male names
    Some of the Nursery Rhymes have only males in them..LIttle Boy Blue...There was a crooked man..."Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall" mentions the king's men in a line further down
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:08am
    Little Boy Blue,
    Come blow up your horn

    (jayzuz).... the mind truly boggles.... let not the gay population get hold of that one.... phew - don't let your son go down on me.... as Elton John said....

    Aye - there were a cruiked person,
    hse walked a cruiked mile
    hse had a cruiked stick,
    and hse wore a cruiked smile.... (leer, leer - aye - ye'll be laughing out t' other side o' yer face if I slap yer one.... errr huk, huk, huk)..

    Georgie Porgie puddin' (censor in abeyance) an' pie,
    Kissed the non-genders and made them cry....
    Ella
    7th Apr 2017
    1:06pm
    Fairytales are exactly that .....fairytales
    I adored them as a young child but was still a feminist from young adulthood and considered myself to have a healthy self image. I wish the govt would focus on improving the literacy rates in our children and improve the quality of the curiculum rather than the current pressure filled testing regimes
    Suzuki 1950
    7th Apr 2017
    1:19pm
    I totally agree with the majority of previous comments. What I would like to know is if the vast majority of the population disagree how the hell do the proponents of these non sensical proposals get the governments to even consider these issues.
    I thought the government was supposed to be representative of the general population but as with many issues they apparently are not. Finally let children be children let them use their imagination and most importantly decipher good from evil right from wrong.
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    9:21pm
    Governments only respect majorities at election time, after which, if they are successful, revert to focusing on minorities.
    jackyd
    7th Apr 2017
    1:36pm
    This on top of the safe schools gender illusion, what else would be expected from the Andrews government!
    KSS
    7th Apr 2017
    8:42pm
    Ah yes the Safe Schools program, acknowledged to be social engineering aimed at destroying family and social structure as we know it by the developer and proponent Roz Ward! And all achieved under the trojan horse of bullying.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:14am
    Aye - but when gu'ment itsel' be t' bully - where d' ye go fer a just solut'n?

    This specific issue is one I raised many times - how do you stop bullying by imposing on bullies a regimen of bullying? How do you stop 'family violence' by singling out one side of the family, and then inflicting violence on that one side while allowing the other side free rein to inflict further violence in many ways?

    Violence begets violence, and I often quote the Dalai Lama:-

    “The use of force is a last resort. One aspect of violence is that it is unpredictable. Although your initial intention may be to use limited force, once you have engaged in violence the consequences are unpredictable. Violence always brings about unexpected results and almost always provokes retaliation.”
    Terry Arki
    7th Apr 2017
    1:46pm
    It is a shame you start the article on Respectful Relationships by promoting the urban myth about Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep, which then causes raises the ire of some readers & causes them to dismiss the programme as some kind of PC plot to derail children's entertainment.

    The programme which you rightly point out came about from the Royal Commission into family violence & is in place to teach young people how to navigate difficult relationships during their lives.

    Raising the Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep myth was a tacky way to introduce this story!
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:18am
    Baa, baa Black sheep,
    Have you any woolly ideas?
    Yes, Sir, Yes, Ma'am
    Three bags full!
    One for the Master that we self-appoint,
    One for the Knave in Govern-farken-ment,
    And one to slap the little boy or girl that lives down the lane over the head with........
    Culgoa
    7th Apr 2017
    2:05pm
    It does not have merit, just more political correctness crap. The world has gone bloody mad.
    Bluegum
    7th Apr 2017
    2:14pm
    Jezemag8 That is exactly what the Respectful Relationships program aims to do - give children the opportunity to read and discuss... to become critical readers, not just accepting of everything that is written and put before them.
    Note that it is the media that is hyping up the idea that fairy tales are going to be "banned" in Victorian schools NOT the program and NOT the Education Department.
    In this information rich world where facts and fiction come from so many sources - books, radio, TV, the Internet, the people around them - children need to learn to tell the difference between fact, fiction and opinion.
    After all you only need to look at the USA for examples of people accepting blindly what a president says with absolutely no evidence and where research and facts are being ignored or criticised in favour of his "alternative truths"
    Bluegum
    7th Apr 2017
    2:22pm
    In fact you only need to look at this forum to find so many people who have not even looked at the program in question to see that it does NOT ban fairy tales and who have blindly accepted what they have read in a biased media article that aims to stir up emotions not give facts.

    Wake up people and stop assuming everything the education department does is wrong!

    Think about the messages that ARE inherent in most fairy tales and in gendered toys and whether we want our children and grandchildren to have those same beliefs. I sure don't! I want my grandsons to grow up and relate to other people (especially, but not only women) very differently to how my parents and my brothers grew up.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:23am
    Aye - but better to be safe than sorry......

    HOW do you want your grandsons to grow up to relate differently?

    I've watched my children grow and develop relationships, and it all seems and sounds so familiar.... my son, for instance, need only say that he is having 'woman troubles' at the moment, and he knows I understand.

    My daughter also need only say the 'men are liars' etc, and I know full well what she is saying.

    I happen to believe that well brought up children,given their own autonomy at an early age and allowed (as much as possible) to make their own decisions, can make up their own minds about 'gender roles'.

    Sorry 'bout that - but my son is a man and my daughter a woman..... and both relate very well to other people of all kinds.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:25am
    My daughter's best friend for many years was a gay transvestite - still is - he used to watch her back at parties etc... and he KNEW what guys were like...
    Sundays
    7th Apr 2017
    2:21pm
    Is this the same state that wanted the Go walk sign at traffic lights changed from a man to a woman? I had never taken much notice, but had a good look and it was just a stick figure. This proposal is the same, nothing of any substance here.
    jackie
    7th Apr 2017
    3:02pm
    Women don't look like that. Please give them some curves. No wonder people are having gender identities.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:27am
    Yes - the semi-collapsed towards the ground dumpy woman figurine is .. well .. not flattering....

    But then - fat IS the new thin..... and collapsing towards the posterior is the new sexy, neh?

    Wow - how will those 'fat is thin' ladies turn out at sixty?
    Ho Hum
    7th Apr 2017
    3:29pm
    Another load of rubbish, the powers that b are trying to foster a generation of robots!
    Ho Hum
    7th Apr 2017
    3:29pm
    Another load of rubbish, the powers that b are trying to foster a generation of robots!
    geofftuke
    7th Apr 2017
    3:36pm
    I read and listen to this rubbish every time journos run out of news and I always wonder exactly WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE USING INSTEAD OF THEIR INTELLIGENCE? Most fairy stories have been around a very long time and illustrate the general approach to everything as it was then, but always with a happy ending which is what children focus on and remember!
    Leave them alone and children will soon work it out for themselves! They are a lot smarter than we give them credit for!
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    3:41pm
    Once upon a time there was a young prince and a young princess, and they lived in the wonderful land of Fairtytales (not far from Farfaraway, mind), and their lives were filled with adventures and stories that told stories that could either just be entertainment of could be little indicators of the dangers and moralities of living in society.

    Then, while looking darkly in her mirror, their Wicked Step-mother, Feminista, came up with a brilliant idea....

    Quoth she:-

    "Mirror Mirror On The Wall,
    How to make Fairy Tales pall?
    When boys and girl so clearly are,
    Different and different by far?"

    The mirror - on reflection - replied,

    "Simply ban those Fairy Tales,
    And gender slips off from the scales!"

    Feminista was delighted, and set about poisoning millions of apples for consumption of school children all across Victoria... and some special ones with double dosage for any teacher who would not comply....
    jackyd
    7th Apr 2017
    7:05pm
    Great work Trebor...if there is no copyright on that I'm going to read it to my grandkids, if their schooly teacher mother doesn't mind! .....
    jackyd
    7th Apr 2017
    7:05pm
    Great work Trebor...if there is no copyright on that I'm going to read it to my grandkids, if their schooly teacher mother doesn't mind! .....
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    8:51pm
    No copyright.... everything I post online is free for all - and adds to the free-for-all, I trust.

    Only my published writings and writings-in-embryo are protected by copyright....
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    9:11pm
    And so Feminista passed around the poisoned apples, and all the children in the schools fell asleep, and their teachers too.... even the King and Queen of Fairytale fell asleep.... and Feminista wondered what she had wrought...

    "Damn - there's no good company around here! In fact NO company at all!"

    Meanwhile the young prince and princess, who had been playing in the fertile fields of Fairytale, and who had not eaten the apples, came back and found everyone asleep (some at the wheel)....

    "Damn!", they said to one another, "there's no good company around here!"

    So they sat down with their social chemistry sets, which are part and parcel of every well brought up child's retinue, and worked out what had caused all the people to go to sleep.... then they sought an antidote.....

    After years of searching, they finally found the solution - and they pressed new apples into the mouths of every person asleep, and woke them up.... and their Wicked Step-Mother was mighty fell and wrath.... and sent a few PS monkeys out to assassinate them...

    But a noble woodsman with a chainsaw approach to bad politics came along, and saw Feminista and the Trained Monkeys at their evil work, and felled them all....

    And they all lived happily ever after - until next time...
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    3:42pm
    Gender stereotypes are the result of the two genders being different... sorry 'bout that...

    As Les Francais say - Vive Le Difference!
    KSS
    7th Apr 2017
    8:48pm
    TREBOR aren't you aware that these days there is a veritable laundry list of genders and more 'discovered' everyday and not just the two you mention. Forms will soon be extended by several pages in order not to discriminate against anyone by asking the usual male/female question.
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    8:51pm
    I'm aware of that - but consider it utter rubbish.
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    8:54pm
    You're either male or female or an abnomaly... sorry 'bout that. No 'safe spaces' here in Realityland.... if you are some oddball deviant strain on the genetic pattern - your problem... get over it.

    We'll still love you for it if you are our very own.

    (Just staying with a couple - the lady's entire sibling group has muscular dystrophy - she evaded that bullet... none of her kids have it or her grand-kids.... genetics can be savage at times)...
    niemakawa
    7th Apr 2017
    9:14pm
    I am sure there are more that can be added to the list. Funny heterosexuals don't get a mention. Do they exist??? Seems not.

    1. GSM
    Gender and Sexual Minorities, a term that some favor over "LGBT" — Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender — because of its relative inclusiveness. In other words, anyone who does not identify as cisgender and/or heterosexual could consider themselves part of the GSM community.
    2. GNC
    Gender Non-Conforming, where one's gender norms or gender expression do not match the male/female traits expected by society. ("Trans*" or "transgender" is sometimes used interchangeably with GNC, but more often refers to one's gender expression or identity being inconsistent with the one assigned at one's birth.)
    3. MSM
    Men who have sex with men, a term used in the medical and social sciences to describe males who have sex with other males. This term is especially useful because it does not specify one's sexual identity (e.g. gay).
    4. CD
    Cross-dressing, where one wears clothing and other items contrary to one's societal gender norms. A person who cross-dresses does not necessarily identify as trans*, since cross-dressing alone does not signify one's gender identity.
    5. MAAB/FAAB/UAAB
    Male-assigned at birth/female-assigned at birth/unassigned at birth, when one is sexed as female, male, or unassigned. All three are generally assigned by the physician present at birth based on the person's genitalia. For example, the term "FAAB" could be used by a transgender man to denote that he was assigned the female sex at birth.
    6. CAMAB/CAFAB
    Coercively assigned male/female at birth, used by GSM/GNC individuals as well as intersex people to describe how they were sexed at birth. In the case of intersexindividuals — those with incompatible outer and inner genitalia — these acronyms could refer to the fact that the person did not have a choice in their sexing, or that they had surgery to "correct" the discrepancy (removing the "male" or "female" set of genitalia).
    7. TERF
    Trans-exclusionary radical feminists, a group of feminists claiming that trans women aren't really women and thus exclude them from their cause. One TERF in particular, Victoria Brownworth, has gone so far as to say that "the role of male-to-female transsexuals in the women's movement as a whole and the lesbian movement in particular ... [is] the ultimate in male power-tripping."
    8. QUILTBAG
    Queer/Questioning, Undecided, Intersex, Lesbian, Transgender/Transsexual, Bisexual, Allied/Asexual, Gay/Genderqueer, considered to be a more exclusive acronym than LGBT — plus, it's easy to remember and fun to say.
    And, to tie this in with popular current events...
    9. SSM
    Same-sex marriage, not to be confused with the popular-but-less-inclusive "gay marriage." Same-sex marriage means that anyone — whether they be gay, lesbian, bisexual, pansexual, etc. — can marry someone of the same sex. Gay marriage, on the other hand, has always been legal (in one way). All it involves is someone who identifies as gay getting married, which could mean a gay man marrying a woman.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    12:51am
    How does a man go about having sex with a man? Oh... sorry......... I guess any old port in a storm is good.......
    Bill
    7th Apr 2017
    3:43pm
    Andrews needs a psychiatrist.
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    3:51pm
    All these fringe element out of the tree socialists do... same as the fringe element out of the tree rabid 'capitalists' do in this dying nation...

    We, as a nation overall, are going from rack to ruin, and this is all they can think is important?

    Now you know why I don't vote Labor any more than I vote LNP or Greens - which is not at all.
    jackyd
    7th Apr 2017
    6:29pm
    Cummon ( chain saw action) TREBOR.....
    Great news today...ALA Senate Candidate has now joined Cory's Conservatives.
    It's going to happen, the world will change and Halal will be brought under control... plus same the stupid safe schools program. ...just need Your support!
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    8:55pm
    I'm looking at the Trebor Independents Party....
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:29am
    (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) that's an oxymoron....
    downunder
    7th Apr 2017
    3:51pm
    Going too far? This is pure idiocracy of someone (a department) having too much time and not enough work or all of the above
    apache
    7th Apr 2017
    4:13pm
    I agree totally
    apache
    7th Apr 2017
    4:12pm
    What is it with Victorian schools for goodness sake let children be children!! All this rubbish re gender etc Safe Schools will confuse our kids more than ever. Please GET REAL
    Supernan
    7th Apr 2017
    4:14pm
    I dont remember even being told or read fairy stories at school ! From 8 on I was a dedicated fairy story/folk tale, etc reader. Especially Norse, Irish, etc & overseas legends.I grew up to be an avide supporter of womens rights ! So dont think it affected me. Maybe it had the opposite effect.

    That said, I really object to the "Disney -fication " of the fairy stories. Where all the heroines are shown as brainless simpering, over dressed big eyed Barbie dolls ! And often the meaning of the stories are totally lost.
    jackyd
    7th Apr 2017
    6:38pm
    Yeah but the chick with wings in Peter Pan had a few good tricks up her fairy dust, ...never ever ever mess with Tinker Bell!
    KSS
    7th Apr 2017
    8:52pm
    Supernan you are bit behind the times. The more recent Disney princess animations actually show the the princesses as strong, independent girls taking charge, fighting the battles (and winning). They are no longer the simpering air-heads of old although they are still beautiful doe-eyed young women.

    Let it go!! Let it go!!
    TREBOR
    7th Apr 2017
    9:01pm
    Have to agree, supernan - never heard a fairy tale at school... they wus tryin' ter pump us full of readin', rightin', an' rithmetic - and I leanred me lessuns wel!

    Mulan - all those blokes in the army were dopes and stuff and she was soooo smart.... been pumped overfull with this 'women are smart and men are dumb' BS... even as far back as some of those cop shows...

    Even Underbelly has all these female heroines - ooops - sexist - heroes.... Jesus God..... when will it end and people can just be regarded as they are by the usual standards......

    Once a Jolly Unemployed Part-Time Temporary Itinerant Casual Worker,
    Unisexed by a billa(censored),
    And hse snag and hse watched
    And waited while hir billy boiled,
    You'll come a-waltzing Mattie/Matilda/whatever with me....
    emjay
    7th Apr 2017
    4:33pm
    So...will today's children be better off with "reality TV" than we were with fairy tales? I think not. Also, is all the scary ugliness of present day children's games & programs helpful to growing up with balance and equality?
    Not a Bludger
    7th Apr 2017
    4:58pm
    What a load of cr-p.

    So the 21st Century in Victoria is going down as the Can't Do Era.

    Give me the Can Do of the 50's to 90's any day - and for my grand children as well.
    maxchugg
    7th Apr 2017
    5:11pm
    I remember a radio show in which some competitors had to audition before a judge who made no secret that he had already decided on the winner. If they did anything wrong the judge would blow his horn.
    The competitors commenced to sing "Old Man River." As soon as the word "Old"came out, the horn was blown, they were told that the word might offend elderly people in the audience, so they had to use "elderly" instead of "Old."
    the next word "man" brought another objection, the only acceptable word was "person". And so on.
    When we heard that, it was so ridiculous we laughed. Today that kind of nonsense is real.
    The politically correct, humourless, overbearing and vocal minority really are a pathetic bunch.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    12:57am
    Elderly Man river,
    That Elderly Man River
    Hse just keeps rollin' along...

    (censored) all work on the Mississippee,
    (censored) all work while the (censored) non-genders play
    (cesnsored) all work on that Mississippee,
    (censored) all work on 'til Judgement Day....
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    1:00am
    Funny that - we have 'spokeswoman' in the media, or it is 'spokesperson'....

    Anyone else see an agenda here that is currently fueled by one (valid) gender (even though mislead by the 'feminists' lobby) - even when some of those of that 'gender' openly decree that they are not 'women' as such, but are 'something else'?

    WTF?
    ozrog
    7th Apr 2017
    5:12pm
    Not even worth talking about reminds me of loony tunes cartoons. Lol
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    1:01am
    All well and good until it gains a foothold - then watch out.... I'd rather my grand-children grow up as men and women, as they are in the making.
    niemakawa
    7th Apr 2017
    5:30pm
    There are only 2 genders, male and female. And that is no fairy tale it is fact. They should be promoting the best of both genders through such stories. As for bad outcomes many boys are becoming too effeminate (as men) through the attitude of liberal feminists and the leftist teachers union. Leave well alone.
    jackyd
    7th Apr 2017
    6:52pm
    It's a bit like the downfall of Rome.
    Excessive luxuries, altamont power, sexual bliss.....didn't quite work out in the end but great for those indulged while it lasted!
    srs21
    7th Apr 2017
    5:48pm
    So sick of these idiots. What is wrong with people today? Why are those twaddle- Sayers even given a second in the media? They're just a minority of ratbags. They should be ignored
    niemakawa
    7th Apr 2017
    5:49pm
    Perverted minds more like it.
    FEDUP
    8th Apr 2017
    4:40am
    Andrews reminds me of the Fairy Tale about the Turtle who could not keep his trap shut. And as such, Andrews will also meet a sticky end. He should be cleaning up the corruption in his own party, than depriving kids of the enjoyment of adventure and mysticism. What is next? Burning all the books.
    Shez
    8th Apr 2017
    10:21am
    Much better than Ninja Turtles and Superhero violent TV shows that promote dangerous and violent play in children.
    Shez
    8th Apr 2017
    10:21am
    Much better than Ninja Turtles and Superhero violent TV shows that promote dangerous and violent play in children.
    Tib
    8th Apr 2017
    11:24am
    Femtards are insane.
    Feminism is cancer.
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    9:27pm
    An incurable form. Section them all .
    Nursie
    8th Apr 2017
    11:49am
    Is Tolkien next on the list? Time to go down the Hobbit Holes.
    Fairy Tales and Nursery Rhymes abound in all cultures....allow children the freedom of fantasy and imagination. It passes all too soon.
    I am sure there are quite a few children in Syria who would prefer to hear Fairy Tales instead of warplanes and bombs.
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    2:33am
    The Return of the Regent!

    The Twin.... ummm......Peaks....
    musicveg
    8th Apr 2017
    1:57pm
    Most of the comments here are not relevant. They did not say they will ban fairy tales, just getting kids to think. You are still free to read what you like to your kids and grandkids. Most fairy tales are from the dark ages and there are better things to read. Dr Seuss is fun and quirky and kids love that. Have a laugh with the kids and they will learn faster. Morbid tales are not needed.
    Oldie84
    8th Apr 2017
    2:07pm
    Intellectually you might be right but common sense tells me that teaching 4 year olds gender diversity is daft. As it has been said before : let kids be kids , guidance by parents is paramount, not indoctrination.
    KSS
    8th Apr 2017
    5:39pm
    Musicveg, why can;t they have both Dr Seuss AND fairy stories? Kids have had them both for generations. Lets leave the social commentary at least until high school and let little kids enjoy the stories for what they are - enjoyable escapism. At least they are either reading or being read BOOKS!
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    1:03am
    Just veg out, baby - all will be cool.....

    8th Apr 2017
    8:11pm
    Utter BS!
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    8:25pm
    Absolutely. I would urge all parents/grandparents to rebuke any attempt ( by any authority) to alter words of our traditional nursery rhymes. Teach them the original version if it has been tampered with by the PC lobbyists to appease certain cultures. An example of what is happening in the schools of Britain and I am sure similar corruption of nursery rhymes is already imposed by schools in Australia.

    The original children's poem:
    Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
    Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the King's horses, And all the King's men
    Couldn't put Humpty together again!

    A new sanitised version:
    Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
    Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
    He didn't get bruised,
    He didn't get bumped,
    Humpty Dumpty bungee jumped!
    TREBOR
    9th Apr 2017
    1:08am
    Jaysus - Humpty Dumpty was a popular poem about the inability of King James to conquer the walls of York during the English civil War - and is a metaphor for those who suffer from hubris, or getting above themselves.

    Perhaps there is a very fine point here in what I say - about those who promote and even create this sort of nonsense.

    Perhaps they are suffering from hubris, and need a little Humpty Dumpty-ing....

    Aye - t'would be a fine day when all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again.... and the government fell as a result.....

    Methinks a purge of the Victorian public service is in order to root out all these nut cases....
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    9:30pm
    Boys, man-up, girls look after you man.
    Oldie84
    9th Apr 2017
    11:35am
    And this morning on the ABC your illustrious Premier stated that they had no intention of banning Fairy Tales........
    Fighting Fairy Tales with Fairy Tales perhaps?
    niemakawa
    9th Apr 2017
    3:11pm
    They will. Governments of today appeasers of the worst kind. Boycott any school that encourages perversion indoctrinating children with their false claims that there are more than 2 genders. One is born either male or female. To believe otherwise is pure fantasy and dangerous to boot.
    SuzyA
    9th Apr 2017
    1:03pm
    For goodness sake, leave fairytales alone. We grew up with them and I'm pretty sure most of us are pretty normal, well-adjusted people. Children are a lot smarter than most people realise. They have brains and can figure out what is real and what is fantasy. Certainly have discussions about it all - that is how you learn. But let children have fantasy and imagination. If you are worried about stereotyping, then stop the sexualisation in television and music and advertising.
    niemakawa
    9th Apr 2017
    7:14pm
    Schools are for teaching not social engineering. They should keep to the 3 r's.
    Adrianus
    11th Apr 2017
    8:34am
    I agree SuzyA. I for one am proud to be a man. There should be no shame in being a man or a woman.
    Nerk
    10th Apr 2017
    5:57pm
    They should be banned like everything else.....
    Mrs Hedgehog
    1st May 2017
    8:42am
    What a waste of public money. My small grandchildren seem to spend a huge amount of time watching TV cartoons or playing games on the iPad, some appear very violent, children need to be taught to discriminate and to use the OFF button.


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