Government announces pension rise

From 20 March 2014 3.6 million pensioners should see a rise in their payments.

From 20 March 2014 3.6 million pensioners should see a rise in their Age Pension, Disability Support Pension and Carer Payments as announced by the Government.

The rise is in line with the Consumer Price Index (CPI) which increased by 1.9 per cent in the last six months. Pensions are measured against the CPI or the Pensioner and Beneficiary Living Cost Index (PBLCI), whichever is higher. “The rate is also benchmarked to Male Total Average Weekly Earnings to help the pension keep pace with community living standards,” said Federal Minister for Social Services Kevin Andrews in his media release. “The Coalition Government is pleased to deliver increases to those on the Age Pension, Disability Support Pension, Carer Payment and veterans’ income support,” Mr Andrews said.

Single Age Pensions will increase by $15.70 a fortnight and those on a couples Age Pension will receive an extra $23.80 per fortnight.

“In addition, around one million allowance recipients will also benefit from increases to income support payments such as Newstart and Parenting Payment on 20 March,” said Mr Andrews.

Read the full media release.

Find out more about increases to rates, limits and allowances.

Opinion: When a rise isn’t a rise

Those living on a pension will, of course, welcome any increase in their payments, but this announcement by the Government claiming credit for these paltry CPI adjustments is seriously misleading.

As long as the economy is doing reasonably well and this is reflected in the CPI and the PBLCI, then pension payments and allowances will rise every six months. For the Government to claim the glory for this meagre increase is a bit rich. Those on a full single Age Pension will see their rate rise to $842.80 per fortnight, hardly a windfall.

For those in rental accommodation, many will see their payments all but gone with indexing of rent payments. And it gets worse. With the increase in CPI comes the increase in grocery bills, utility bills, fuel prices and transport costs. All of a sudden, an extra $15.70 per fortnight, or $7.80 per week, doesn’t seem so much.

For the last 24 years the Age Pension has increased by 160 per cent, much of that increase due to indexation, however, not since the 2009 pension reforms have pensioners seen any real rise in what they are paid. Living costs continue to spiral out of control for many families earning a wage, so for those managing on an Age Pension, one can only try to imagine the sacrifices which must be made.

Of course, the Age Pension isn’t an entitlement and only intercedes as to be a safety net for those who have been unable to save sufficiently for retirement. But, given that employer compulsory superannuation wasn’t introduced until 1992, those who left the workforce in the last 20 years really haven’t had much of a chance to build up a nest egg and therefore have little option but to live on this pitiful payment.

If Mr Andrews and the Government really want to do something for pensioners, they should take a look at the reforms of 2009 and replicate the increase. Then and only then can they claim credit for helping those who need it most.

Do you think a major overhaul of the Age Pension and Disability Support Pension is overdue? Or do you think that the public purse simply can’t afford any more than it gives already?





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    Jacks
    10th Mar 2014
    8:50am
    The Coalition hasn't delivered the increase. It is due to the indexation arrangements that Labor introduced when it delivered the biggest pension increase in a century- indexing the pension twice a year at a higher rate than before. So Kevin Andrews and the Coalition can stop taking credit for it.
    beemay
    10th Mar 2014
    9:15am
    I think we would be better off as aged Penshioners if there was some way we did not pay GST on essential services like phone, gas, Elec, rates, Etc. every time anybody gets a price rise the price of everything else goes up
    Bofor
    10th Mar 2014
    9:35am
    Good point Beemay.
    The current system is the old "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"
    PlanB
    10th Mar 2014
    10:22am
    Yes beemay, I agree and we should have had a 10% rise when John Howard introduced the 10% GST instead of the lousy $1000 we were given
    Anonymous
    10th Mar 2014
    5:30pm
    Actually you did get that 10% in 2000 to cover the GST.
    Anonymous
    10th Mar 2014
    7:19pm
    BigVal…… NO you did NOT get 10% in 2000 to cover the GST. Those on HIGH incomes had minor reductions in their tax rates but the promised full adjustment to ordinary/average Australian workers, did not come. The pensioner's expenses went up over $1200 (very conservative) per annum and no way did pensioner's incomes go up this much.

    GST is a disgusting inequitable tax that taxes those without an income. It ensures the poor and average Australian are effectively funding the wealthy….. what a wonderful tax, I hear you say BigVal!??
    qbeebill
    10th Mar 2014
    9:56am
    Still not enough.. The rents go up.the transport going up and the cost of prescriptions have gone up.. Our pension increase has already been used up.. not to mention the cost of Petrol, Gas, and Electricity and water. Come on Government if you really want to help Our Pensioners do better than that and give them at lease another $15.00 per pension on top of what you propose
    Boof
    10th Mar 2014
    10:18am
    Jacks is of course right. The labor Government liocked these rises inoto place. It's a wonder Abbott and his cronies haven't tried to abolish them. Don't worry. They will be looking at ways to accomplish this. I am back from radiation in Briosbane and have a new notebook and haven,t thrown it out of the window as yet. In January I was "Boof" but now, changes have occurred, so am now "Yerias" If it ain't broke, why fix it. Life goes on, though!
    Anonymous
    10th Mar 2014
    7:23pm
    Boof…. they have already mentioned that the Pensioners are too well off and that prior legislation was too generous… so yes, it will definitely be on the chopping board BUT it will be done surreptitiously, of course!
    Boof
    10th Mar 2014
    10:20am
    Oh. I see that I'm still "Boof". I will eventually get used to this contraption, if I don't kill it first.
    Jurassicgeek
    10th Mar 2014
    10:25am
    ooooooohhhh! what shall I do with all this money????
    Mamacrystal
    10th Mar 2014
    10:55am
    buy a coffee if it's enough.....then sit back and pretend you're rich!
    LENYJAC
    10th Mar 2014
    6:25pm
    MAYBE WE COULD ALL DONATE THIS FANTASTIC RISE? BACK TO THE PO(LIES) TO HELP THEM OUT OF THIER POOR MISERABLE OVERPAID LIVES???????
    Foxy
    10th Mar 2014
    11:15am
    Have thought for yearssss that the Age Pension should equate to Australia's Basic Wage! Also the rent allowance for pensioners in private rental is not enough to compensate for the exhorbitant rentals charged in the past few years! Rental allowance for private renters should be brought into line with the current market!
    Anonymous
    10th Mar 2014
    7:32pm
    The amount the government gets from GST is well and truly enough to pay for this HOWEVER, they chose to GIVE most of the GST revenue to PRIVATE SCHOOLS and PRIVATE HEALTH. Locking in governments that followed.

    Yes, they STOLE (in the form of GST) from PENSIONER's POCKETS to put in the pockets of the wealthy, so that THEY and THEIR children can have BETTER HEALTH and BETTER EDUCATION.

    It is a way of transferring public money into private pockets AND then looking at the cost of this and saying "we need to have a surplus" so will CUT BACK benefits to the poor and average Australians AND also small and medium businesses.

    Taking from the average Australian and giving to the wealthy and the elite is in fact neo conservative dogma. This is what the Liberals are all about, that is why they NEED control over the MEDIA, in the form of Corporate (mostly foreign) Owned Media…… to continually feed us PROPAGANDA, so that we agree with and allow this SICK mentality.
    Paddles
    10th Mar 2014
    11:21am
    The whole social security system has become a mess.
    The well intentioned allowances and subsidies have, to a large part, been hijacked by the less principled in society, aided and abetted in many cases by those charged with administering the schemes. It is an open secret that the bureaucracy, at the behest of the politicians, when confronted by an unpalatable level of unemployment, declared many to be eligible for the disability support allowance and thus fiddled the statistics.
    As a consequence, we now have almost a million people on the DSP and the bona fides of those must surely be called into question.
    On the broader issue of the quantum and methods of calculation of the pensions, I think that it is fair enough but the whole system is in dire need of a critical review with the object of getting rid of the rorters. We now have three generations in some families with not one of those generations ever having earned an income. In this country, that is ridiculous and there is faintly encouraging signs that Joe Hockey has such people in his sights.
    Personally, I maintain a comfortable lifestyle on the aged pension as a sole source of income but that is due, in part, to some sound decisions that I made in accommodation etc.
    Anonymous
    10th Mar 2014
    7:43pm
    Yes, I agree we can NO LONGER AFFORD the wealthy elite. THEY are PARASITES upon society and the average Australian is not able to sustain this disgusting practice of feeding the wealthy, from the public purse.

    The RORTS and STEALING of taxpayers money is creating such a hole in our 'surplus' that it really needs to be looked at.

    As for your pointing the finger at those on benefits and saying there are rorters…. yes, of course there are BUT it is less than 5% and the amount is insignificant when compared to the rorting and stealing that is undertaken by the wealthy elite.

    Why don't we have enquiry after enquiry about their rorts, they take so VERY MUCH MORE than those that don't want to work (give the jobs to those that do want to work and have a reasonable life, first and those that are left can stay in pauper conditions, BECAUSE there are NO JOBS for them anyway!!!!).

    Why are you focusing upon those MOST disadvantaged in our society and not even considering investigating the VERY EXPENSIVE RORTS perpetuated by the Wealthy ELITE.

    You only have to look at the $882,000,000 (that's $882million) in REBATES that went to Ruperty MURDOCH, to see how expensive these PARASITES are!!!!
    justme
    10th Mar 2014
    11:22am
    I am on the A/P, unfortunately this is one of many issues where there is no right answer. All increases add to the tax bill. I wonder what the Age Pension would be at 7.5% of income tax revenue compared to todays figures. I have read that this was the original costing when the A/P was introduced.
    moorlands
    10th Mar 2014
    11:31am
    Debbie I disagree that the Age Pension " is not an entitlement " perhaps someone with a better memory than mine, can name the year that the separate payment that was taken from our pay packet to provide us with an Age Pension was transferred to General Revenue, we have still paid it ever since but now it doesn't belong to the Aged. Perhaps we Self Funded Retirees are entitled to our money back for the years prior to the transfer.
    Hasbeen
    10th Mar 2014
    11:36am
    I went for a great drive on Saturday, top down, down through the border ranges, it was really grate. I went down the Lions Road. What an experience that is. Narrow road, little one lane bridges, through some lovely country. Just like country back roads were when I was a kid, except they were all dirt, & this one's bitumen.

    Had a nice cup of coffee & picnic in a park at Kyogle. I'd taken that from home, bought lunches are a bit expensive.

    I'd just like to thank the tax payers for paying for my little trip, particularly those who could not afford such a trip, after paying the tax to pay my pension.

    Come on you lot, it is our kids, struggling to buy a home & raise a family paying that pension, governments don't have money of their own. For you to get it, the kids have to pay it. Stop the winging, & offer some thanks.
    Suzie'Q
    10th Mar 2014
    12:06pm
    I wonder what the Government think Pensioners are going to do with
    $6.?? A couple don't even get that much! I wonder how many of the
    Government employers actually shop at the Supermarket?
    But then, where are the Government suppose to get the money from to pay more to Pensioners?
    It doesn't matter what people want, be it -- new roads, new hospitals, money for fire victims, flood victims, money for overseas victims of all sorts of causes, not just hundreds but millions. And it is always " The Government should Pay for it "
    They say charity begins at home, well apparently not. The Millions that Australian people send overseas! when so many Australian People, not just Pensioners, live in poverty.
    After paying taxes for so long, Pensioners SHOULD get a better deal.
    Surely the Aged Pensioners should come first now and again, after years of paying for everybody else?
    AlbertC
    10th Mar 2014
    12:14pm
    well has been your name says it all a has been come out of the shadows and see the light i worked 2 jobs most of my working life and double the taxes which means close to 40% of my money helped pay pensioners then i did not complain then. and aren,t you lucky to have money to go on buss trips i cant afford to do that. have a nice day.
    Curmudgeon
    10th Mar 2014
    1:19pm
    As a pensioner trying to survive on one half of a married pension I can assure you that the poverty line is so far above me that I would need a space shuttle to even get close.The government is a give and take government. We give,they take.If they need to save money so badly why not reduce the abundant perks enjoyed by our past and present politicians.I would also like to know where half a billion dollars came from to stage the G20 forums.
    LENYJAC
    10th Mar 2014
    6:27pm
    HERE HERE...
    seniorsid
    10th Mar 2014
    1:21pm
    I would be interested to know what our so called planners of this great country of ours retire on. If a the rabble that we hear in parliament, with the man-in-charge, otherwise known as the speaker, yelling "Order please" all through the session, could secure a position in the real world, I very much doubt it! I would love to run a company where you could make million dollar, mistakes and just get more from the original source.
    According to them, there is no age discrimination when applying for a job, REALLY. I am 71 years old, still in good nick, having worked and owned businesses, not only in Australia, bur overseas. Why don't the government utilize my knowledge to train the youth of today, pay me a reasonable wage which they can tax, I don't want their hand outs, this would not only help our youth, but save them money that could be used to improve the living conditions of those who are not able to work!
    Wouldn't that be killing two birds with one stone, surely there a a lot of people out there, men and women that can still contribute, and would jump at the chance to, not only be self supporting, but keep them active, both mentally and physically.
    It all makes sense to me, you may argue that setting it all up is costly, but surely it would reduce the load on Centrelink!
    KSS
    10th Mar 2014
    2:23pm
    I agree with you seniorsid. There must be many people like you with skills to share. It used to be mainly through apprenticeships. Today though there are no apprentices because they won't accept that as an apprentice they won't earn the 'big money'. We are losing skills such as yours and it is so short-sighted.

    Have you talked to TAFE?? Just a thought.
    seniorsid
    10th Mar 2014
    1:34pm
    Come on Hasbeen, reads like you are better known as Notbeen, to school that is.
    I am really not interested in your "great drive that was really grate", if you have been listening to the grown ups talk, please pay more attention!
    This comment column, is for people who can contribute, not what you did on the weekend!
    KSS
    10th Mar 2014
    1:53pm
    Mention pensions... cue Coalition bashing. It is so predictable. Out come the 'entitlement' debaters, the 'its not enough' campaigners and the 'I'm doing alright' minority.

    Yes pensions are low, yes, pensioners should have enough to meet the needs of daily life but NO I do not believe it is a straightforward entitlement.

    The questions posed:
    Do you think a major overhaul of the Age Pension and Disability Support Pension is overdue? Or do you think that the public purse simply can’t afford any more than it gives already?

    Yes I do think the Age Pension and DSP is long overdue for a complete overhaul. The public purse simply cannot keep increasing both the number and amount of pensions (or other welfare) indefinitely.

    So here are some suggestions to debate:
    * Review all those on the DSP. It is no surprise that DSP recipients have been increasing disproportionately because of the higher payment and fewer demands imposed than Newstart. Either that or Australia is in the grip of some unknown disease rendering all who contract it unable to ever work again.Those who have clear and obvious need should receive it - no question. Those on less obvious need should be reassessed regularly. Consider the number of 'back-pain' recipients. I suggest that whilst many may be genuine, there would also be many who are not. After all it is not hard to fake back pain especially in something that is as hard to prove as disprove. Many of these people could do some kind of work if not their original occupation. Similarly with mental illness. Being productive has been shown to raise self esteem and lift depression. So lets get as many of those people back to work as we can as well.

    * DSP should be a temporary safety net for most. There needs to be an investment in Back-to-Work services to help repatriate people on DSP to the workplace.

    * All state funded pensions for those born after 1964 (i.e. after Baby Boomers) should be abolished. Those born later will have had time in their working life to save for their own retirement through superannuation - or other investments over at least 30 years (more if the retirement age rises to 70). Why should the Government be responsible for their pensions? They weren't prior to 1992. We have to remove the expectation that the aged pension is an entitlement for all. Over time it will mean fewer State funded age pensions until eventually there will be none.

    * There should be a viable safety net for those who genuinely were not able to save, i.e. those on DSP who really couldn't look after themselves or those on low incomes for example. However, strict assessment of each case would be required. The pension, if granted should be equal to a reasonable percentage of the average wage (say 80).

    * Forced (if necessary) sale of the large family home and purchase of more modest accommodation to fund living expenses if necessary. We need to stop the retaining of large assets simply to bequeath to heirs whilst those living in them cannot afford the upkeep or even to heat it. Downsizing should become the expected norm, not the exception. Who really needs to live in a 3+ bedroom house in their old age? And there go the 'I have my grandchildren to stay' brigade...... After all as you all keep saying you/we worked hard for what we've got so we deserve to use it as and when we need. The home is the major/sole investment for most people. Liquidate and use it.

    I look forward to reading other contributors' ideas on how to address these issues that will only get worse. Agree or disagree, solutions will need to be found. And quickly.
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    12:04am
    KSS, it is obvious that you are a PAID right wing political voice piece, it is well known on these and other forums that you infiltrate where you are recognized! those forums which try to brainwash us oldies.
    toby
    10th Mar 2014
    2:35pm
    To KSS, I commend and agree with your thoughts. Nearly 1 million on DSP, where are they all? I cannot understand why Disability Support Pensions should be taken away from Centrelink and a whole new Bureaucracy - DSP - be established at huge extra administration costs.
    You ask for ideas or solutions to be found to the spiralling social security costs. Maybe a scheme similar to that for university students, where they log up their course fees (HECS) while they are studying, and pay the cost back to the community (government) at a later date, when they have achieved a qualification, and so a well paying career.
    Many pensioners are Asset rich, and income poor. Community resources are used, by all of us as we age, often at little or no expense. (ie aged care facilities, hospitals, transport etc). Could some of these expenses be accumulated, and paid back to the community from a person's estate after death from the estate, similar to the students HECS fees? This would probably be very unpopular with you all, but something has to be done
    so our government does not go broke, and also, why should all inheritance pass down to families, after the community has often supported aged persons through their latter years?
    KSS
    10th Mar 2014
    2:52pm
    Good idea Toby, a little like the reverse mortgages that are already available.
    moorlands
    10th Mar 2014
    6:38pm
    Talking to yourselves again toby and KSS? do you think us oldies are stupid? recognise the language folks? straight off the Abbott press.
    trickie
    10th Mar 2014
    3:13pm
    I live on a pension or should I say try to live on a pension. I can't afford a car, I live in a WA housing corp. house, my food is basic, and if it wasn't for the Seniors card I would not be able to get anywhere. This increase will give me two packets of medication with a bit of change. How can anyone think that this would help us. O and in the message it stated that "the Age Pension isn’t an entitlement and only intercedes as to be a safety net for those who have been unable to save sufficiently for retirement. I thought that we paid tax to make sure we had a pension at the end of our work life. So when did it become not an entitlement?
    unicorn
    10th Mar 2014
    3:18pm
    Maybe Mr. Andrews could look at the increae in our rates for a start it has gone up by moew than $20 per week since last year & they are looking at putting it up again next year by more than the allowable rate, no reason given except that we are very lucky to live in such a beautiful place that brings in plenty of Tourists. That might mean something to them but not to us we do not get any of the millions of Dollars that they reckon tourists bring with them to spend. Unlike the council whom own & therefore run the Caravan Park.
    Supernan
    10th Mar 2014
    4:07pm
    Now there is talk by Abbott Gov of changing the assets rules for Pensioners. The home is now an exempt asset. But they are saying this may change. It so, hope they take into account the cost of maintaining a home : painting, etc. Repairing our access track after flooding cost us $3,500 & a new power pole was $1,900.
    moorlands
    10th Mar 2014
    4:41pm
    I refer back to a post by Boof, Boof it can't be hard to change your Avatar. Paid right wing politicals who's job it is is to trawl these forums do it all the time to convince or brainwash us oldies that if we do not agree with their extreme views then we must be senile.Do NOT be brainwashed, recognise that their language mirrors Abbotts rhetoric.

    10th Mar 2014
    5:28pm
    "Of course, the Age Pension isn’t an entitlement and only intercedes as to be a safety net for those who have been unable to save sufficiently for retirement."
    Yeah right then we are all just guilty of a whole of several generations who imagined that when we were told, work, pay your income tax - your pension is being assured in there because of the 7.5% levy being paid by all workers, and The Pension Fund was there - full of at today's currency around $2.5+ billion in 1950 when Menzies got his greedy eye on it and said wow lets use that money, and transferred it over to Consolidated Revenue and used it to pay for lots of other things - and made sure the levy continued on but pain now into same CR - and the 2 major parties all then suffered from a sudden loss of memory and when they sat up and got told aging populations all over were to be a problem in 2040 unless some sort of payment - and Keating started the mandatory super - it was first time ever spoken about.
    John Howard when announcing that he was passing the concessions given to age pensioners onto SFR he said they had paid into the fund and never drawn on it. Later when Nick Minchen was asked about it he denied the levy for the pension ever existed .
    One day someone other than people searching themselves may 'find' it having been repealed as a tax - but to date and with many searchers, it still existed back when I first heard of it from a Tasmanian Ex Treasury Official who has since passed away but he also wrote letters to many editors 1995 because was incensed by the campaign started mid 1990's denigrating all those who had to draw the age pension as hadn't been in any super schemes run by companies or public service.
    I have found this fascinating as heard it when we first arrived here 45 years ago and naturally having been paying into UK's scheme, no different there as taken by Tax Office too and paid into a Pension fund and also started off same way in 1909 when both countries started the fund for working people and by way of a levy on income taxes. Instead the UK kept theirs going but changed its collection method in 1948 with National Health Scheme being established by Labour, by way of employment cards which had to be stamped weekly by employer who paid a sum towards the health of the worker and the worker paid a sum for his/her health and also age pension.
    Can only think it somehow got forgotten that the levy was still ongoing when the then Hawke government started off the manatory super fund for all workers from 1990 with payments from employers and no contribution from worker.
    Also pensioners should really question the ongoing "you didn't save campaign and taking money off the taxpayer of the day. And why? Because for years every government of the day has been giving more money to the fund for every dollar the worker put in himself to encourage saving. So not exactly all saved by those who will be able to retire under it if ever able to as some say will never be enough. And far too many are effectively rorting systems for super today drawing it at 55 and then having run out of it at 65 taking the pension. Seems to me government lacking in pension matters and loopholes as much as in income tax matters and loop holes on top of crying Medicare broke when people are rorting that with net in place of gross incomes etc. Never mind though just blame those who havent got the wherewithal to hit back. (dollars)
    Whatever happened to that "mainly left wing compassion" for boat people who havent got the life back home poor, no money" amazes me that this goes on and then these same people demonize their own peers for dole bludging and now age pensioners for not saving. Always will be people with less. Just make sure that none are rorting it and from the top downwards...............not bottom up
    Anonymous
    10th Mar 2014
    7:49pm
    BigVAl
    That was very long but well worth reading. EXCELLENT comment!
    Debbie McTaggart
    11th Mar 2014
    2:14pm
    Big Val, I refer you to the Australia Law Reform Commission which states that the Age Pension is a 'safety net' and therefore not an 'entitlement' in the true sense of the word - "The Age Pension acts as a ‘safety net’ payment—ensuring that people over Age Pension age have access to an income that provides a reasonable minimum standard of living." http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/7-social-security/age-based-pension-payments
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    9:03pm
    Thanks Val, you obviously have a longer memory than mine, but Debbie cannot go back that far!
    Ny19
    10th Mar 2014
    5:59pm
    Why am I not surprised that this lying, immoral LNP government is attempting to dupe the public? Tony Abbott and his cronies are the pits! March in March folks (next weekend) to express your disgust and disdain with the lot of them. The sooner we get rid of this bunch of deceitful ratbags pretending to govern our country the better. All they really care about is power and their belief that only they have the god given right to govern. Geez, Howard and his bunch of dumb clucks were pussycats compared to Abbott and his mob of dumb clucks.
    particolor
    10th Mar 2014
    8:08pm
    I'll just shut up and Buy a Pair of Thick Wooly Socks for Winter with My 6Bucks I'll have left.. No hang on ?? their 12 Bucks !! I'll Lay Buy them !!! ...
    moorlands
    10th Mar 2014
    8:53pm
    You got it Rob. They got in with a pack of lies, helped of course by the Labour parties infighting, they are governing by lies and slurs, ( No Policies ) . How long before more of our troops are sent to fight and die because of Abbotts support of the US "Tea Party ".
    moke
    10th Mar 2014
    7:11pm
    If Mr Andrews thinks the paltry increase will help pensioners keep up with the cost of living increases I personally think the man is dreaming or he does not ever go to the shops or have to pay bills. If he did he would realise that much more is needed for those that have to live on the Age Pension alone. It seems that it almost takes $100 to purchase what $50 used to cover. They will never wake up to how difficult it is because they are well looked after with all the lurks and perks that pollys get.
    seniorsid
    10th Mar 2014
    7:38pm
    Superannuation, seems to be the topic of the day, I suggest that all our learned colleagues read ABC's Alan Kohler report in The Drum, published Wed 31 Oct 2012.
    moorlands
    10th Mar 2014
    9:23pm
    Before or after?
    seniorsid
    10th Mar 2014
    7:49pm
    GST or Goods and Service Tax, we do get goods, but we pay through the nose, service, well I am yet to see that, maybe it stands for, Government Survival Tax!
    moorlands
    10th Mar 2014
    11:08pm
    I hate movies, my wife loves them. As an old sea dog I agreed to watch "Titanic". The story was it struck an iceberg and sank. Prior to sinking there there were not enough life boats to accommodate all passengers. So as the story unfolded it was that the CEO of the "White Star Line" was one of the first into the lifeboats as he was the owner. Followed by First class passengers as they had paid the most. Then second class as they had paid the second most. Then there was steerage class who perished, those who had not learned to sink or swim were left to fend for themselves . I suspect Abbot must have watched the same movie!
    Nightshade
    11th Mar 2014
    2:27am
    Every thing is going to go up 100 fold
    For the $2.50 that the pension goes up by every other thing will go up by even bigger $$$$$
    seniorsid
    11th Mar 2014
    2:27am
    I am sure we are old enough to remember, Saturday arvo at the pictures, where we watched Abbott and Costello clown around, in "Who's on first", all we need now is Laurel and Hardy to join them, and we can have, "When comedy was king", all over again! When you live in WA, alias, wait awhile, when the Treasurer/ Minister for Transport, goes missing trying to go home without opening the gate, aren't you glad you live somewhere else.
    speakup
    11th Mar 2014
    4:33am
    Why is it that Pensioners don"t receive the same percentage of increases that our Politicians receive ,all Government wages come from the Australian Taxpayers ,and Pensioners pay tax on everything they buy .Queensland has a population of 4.6 million and the U.S.A 315 million and our Premier receives ( from Australian Taxpayers ) an annual salary of $400.000 (plus perks) the same as the President of America.There is one main problem with our Public servants and that is GREED
    geebee
    11th Mar 2014
    7:38am
    Reading through the comments on this topic I can only come to the conclusion there are some very brainwashed and politically biased people out there. NO government (either Lib or Labor) would deliberately set out 'screw' pensioners as is suggested - they have much more to worry about. It used to be we had "Reds under the Bed", now some contributors seem to be of the mentality that we now have "Nasty Libs under the Bed" who only care about people who have saved to support themselves. Wouldn't we all love more and more $$$ in handouts?, but the reality is that the country (we) just can't afford it.
    Paddles
    11th Mar 2014
    10:25am
    geebee

    Are you seriously suggesting that the loony left contributors to these columns are slightly underdone when it comes to basic economics?????????
    geebee
    11th Mar 2014
    11:44am
    paddles, I'm just stating the fact that, like all of us, the government of the day needs to live within it's means (although in recent past examples, it should have done so). With the aging population and it's effect on the dependency ratio within the economy, we (Australia) are heading into trouble if nothing is done and unfortunately it may require some belt tightening 'across the board'.
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    12:20pm
    I don't understand your thinking geebee. Salary Sacrificing allows millionaires to pay 15% tax instead of 40%, Negative Gearing allows the cost of buying an Investment Property to be borne by other taxpayers, each state has it's own government, a previous post stated that the Premier of Queensland is paid $400,000 a year the same as the President of America, that same state is hosting the Billion dollar G20. This country is awash with money, and most of the welfare goes to the wealthy, the same wealthy that Abbot intends to give more, at the same time as cutting their Taxs. Yes there are heaps of bludgers rorting the DSP but for every one of them there are two of the wealthy rorting the tax system.
    geebee
    11th Mar 2014
    7:34pm
    moorlands, you are obviously a fanatical 'left winger' and from years of experience with your type, I can see you are so deeply brain -washed that you are unable to see the 'true picture'. You say further down that you are a self-funded retiree (like myself) so surely you can understand that by still paying tax, medi-care levy etc, etc. (or do you claim a 'part pension' and access free medical ?? )you are supporting people who have not made these provisions. In your space I can just imagine those evil Libs sitting in a Cabinet meeting, wringing of hands, evil chuckles discussing how to upset the poor old pensioners further so we can fund the people actually contributing to the economy and providing jobs (for those who want to work) Reality is out there, you just have to find and accept it!! PS are you calling me "wealthy" just because I funded my retirement and now approaching the point where I would have been better of just saying 'the government will look after me so why not just p.... my super contributions up against the wall?.
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    9:24pm
    No geebee, I have friends who have lived the high life and who now receive part or whole pensions, ( latest cars, big screen tvs, holidays etc, etc, )but we were worriers ( fools that we were) and saved for that "Rainy Day'" and thus do not receive one red cent in benefits. But when I see the wealthy people that you obviously support receiving welfare that we could only dream of in our years of struggle and listen to the likes of yourself who defend this, then I can only assume that you are one of them.
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    10:00pm
    geebee, I have just re read your post , IE (Your years of experience with "My Type ") please call off your dogs of war, I have trouble sleeping as it is. Abbotts military involvement is troubling enough!. Of course it may be an innocent comment referring to your years of employment with the Murdoch Press?
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    10:53pm
    geebee, I have again re read your post, how about a glass of red to settle things down, what started as an alternative discussion of views, turned on me as some form of anarchist. My view is that the wealth of Australia should be shared by all not only by those who control it at the moment. Also that we have to compete (living standards ) with Asia and the the world.The world that Australia existed when the UK sent an open cheque no longer exists and the first to acknowledge this should be the Farming Sector. To resort to the practice of the Animal Kingdom that Abbott seems to want to apply whereas the weak and dying are sustenance fodder for the his vote buying agenda of the greedy and healthy is deplorable.
    SA
    11th Mar 2014
    8:26am
    I have a vague memory that I was told by the govt when I was working that taxes were high in order to put away some to provide for my retirement. That I was looking after people on pensions while I was working and the same would happen for me.....If there is any sense of entitlement to a adequate pension, it was given to me by past governments. Now there is a back flip, people who expect a reasonable pension are told they should have provided for their own retirement. Women werent even allowed to sign up for super in some work places.
    Bella
    11th Mar 2014
    8:59am
    They want to give the long term unemployed a bonus of $6000 over two years if they get a job and stick to it...well hello ....the aged pensioners of this country worked, payed tax and
    Never got a hand out for anything, you had children because it was your choice. The pension should be at Least as much as a low income earner...we EARNED it.
    unicorn
    11th Mar 2014
    9:40am
    Excuse this dumb broad but who the hell is this Mr. Andrews please...
    Paddles
    11th Mar 2014
    10:28am
    unicorn

    Go back and read Debbie's intro story and you will be informed that Kevin Andrews is the federal Minister for Social Security.
    Dolphin Haven
    11th Mar 2014
    11:15am
    Taking the GST of essential services for pensioners would be a great help. Electricity


    Taking the GST of essential services for pensioners would help. Also that big charge on the electricity bill for service connection is a big killer. You are already paying a large amount before you even start using any power. It started of with about $20 and now has escalated.
    Water rates and usage are another rip off. They charge whatever they like because there is no competition. The water is still coming from above, i';s not like they are importing it but any excuse to increase charges.
    seniorsid
    11th Mar 2014
    1:51pm
    No geebee, it is Libs under the Li-lo, supported by all the hot air they give us. I can see the day when we are all lined up outside Centrelink to receive our "Used by date", stamped on our rear end! Lets face it we are, consumables, or the forgotten race who built the country!
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    5:20pm
    When will people ever learn? Whenever Right Wing Political Parties grab power the first thing they look at is how can they distribute the wealth of the country to themselves and their followers, wealth that they consider belongs to them who "Are born to Rule ". Name me one Dictator who was not Right Wing with a Subservient Military Command ? and who also did not live in opulence. When Left Wing Parties gain power and start using the countries wealth to advance the country for everyone, then the scream goes up as Right Wingers see the money they considered was rightfully theirs being spent on wasteful causes like keeping the ("unwashed pensioners " in their eyes) from starving. Be very afraid Pensioners and read the signs. Before the " Paid Politicals" attack me , I am a Fully Funded Retiree but I am not a Greedy Hypocrite.
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    6:54pm
    Should have said "Fully Self Funded Retiree " .
    geebee
    13th Mar 2014
    5:49pm
    moorlands, from your numerous pontificating comments on this matter you seem to have the opinion that you (alone) are all knowledgeable in matters politic, social, economic and historical. However, your blinkered view of the world and history is somewhat obvious in the above comment - do the names Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mugabe, perhaps ring a bell?
    moorlands
    13th Mar 2014
    11:11pm
    Hi geebee. No I do not have a blinkered view of the world because I do not read the Murdoch Press. I do have some experience of some of the countries who's leaders you name, do you? I was privileged to meet Pilger who because of his truthful reporting found it impossible to find employment in Australia. I am always interested to swap my life experiences with others, so let's make this our "Meeting Place ".
    moorlands
    14th Mar 2014
    8:02pm
    Hi geebee, I am disappointed that we on this forum are being deprived of your worldly experiences, I am sure your worldly experiences are not restricted to your reading of the Australian? so please let's discuss.
    moorlands
    14th Mar 2014
    10:21pm
    Hi geebee, I am bored because of your refusal to disclose your worldly knowledge? I have visited people that still consider Stalin as a Hero, likewise those that still consider Mao as a Hero, (forget Pol Pot!) On a recent Blue Train train trip from Johannesburg to Cape Town we met VERY wealthy WHITE repeat WHITE people ( I am sure that offends you? ) who considered Mugabe as a Hero. I do not remember Hawke as a Hero ( rescued by Keating) or Howard as a Hero courtesy of Costello. I suspect your current HERO Abbott will fail every test of the above apart from your right wing extremists views.
    geebee
    15th Mar 2014
    7:35pm
    Well moorlands, I was going to consider it closed as there is no convincing some people that there are opinions and facts out there that differ from their own. However, you have questioned my background - A couple of comments; I have spend a considerable amount of time working with countries as diverse as Uzbekistan, Timor (both East and West), Micronesia and other developing countries, both 'officially' and as a volunteer at personal expense - so I do have some 'worldly knowledge' as you term it. Also China (both PRC and RoC, as well as HK prior to hand back). Most of this work involved advising these people (with my relevant knowledge) towards developing economic, social and health systems that they had been denied under various previous regimes. The most needy and deprived people I met were those who had known no other system but the 'communist' or other similar regimes. There was no social services - you worked 'for the state' or you starved. Yet while trying to provide medical assistance to some of the most deprived people in the world, I also had to deal with "socialist' bureaucrats and other very wealthy party heavy weights (and the continual request for bribes to allow assisstance to be given). I guess what I'm saying is that I do have considerable first hand experience in these areas, and have also paid the price by developing medical problems associated travel to some of these areas. But no regrets, because I at least tried to help - although saddened by the death of some who could have been saved! PS I do not limit my reading to only one media group, I like to hear both sides. PPS In May I will be in Finland, Estonia and Latvia, I can assure you these people DO NOT consider Stalin a hero!! and it is Sun Yat Sen who is revered more in China than Mao.
    moorlands
    16th Mar 2014
    8:50pm
    Thanks for clearing that up geebee, I am 74 years old, A quick calculation based on your historical experience would put you at 104 years of age. And you are going to Finland, etc in May? Wow, Congratulations! Would you please share with us oldies which Travel Insurance Company insures you? and which prescriptions you take that keep your body and your imagination so active?
    geebee
    16th Mar 2014
    9:57pm
    Moorlands, your deductive processes are about as flawed as your other views of the world - you're a few decades out on my age. I guess my imagination is still active, as is my community service through various charities, support groups and service organisations. What do you do - sit at a computer and spread your long discredited political views of the world? Perhaps others who have actually gotten off their a$%#'s and done a few things in this world would understand.? FINI
    moorlands
    16th Mar 2014
    10:55pm
    Would that be "Not For Profit Charities " that neglect to disclose that their disciples travel First or Business Class, whilst their "Not for Profit " salaries would probably feed an African village for a year?
    moorlands
    16th Mar 2014
    11:10pm
    Forgot to mention that your "Not for Profit Charities " pay no tax, for travel expenses or salaries. Nice work if you can get on the gravy train.
    geebee
    17th Mar 2014
    7:51am
    I think we have both taken more than our fair share in this forum. But a final observation - Moorlands you strike me as a very bigotted and bitter old man. Please understand that I say the following from concern, not insult - have you spoken to your doctor about the possibility of the onset of dementia?.
    I have never, and would never work for the types of 'charities' you mention (nor do I condone charities that have ulterior motives, such as religion, politics etc.) All my time and money is donated by me, as has been my travel, accommodation and living expenses. No one but the intended recipients receive benefits. You therefore ignorantly insult me. Good bye.
    moorlands
    19th Mar 2014
    9:01pm
    geebee, I cannot part company with you without endowing you with a "Sainthood ". Your personally financed sacrifices in your "Crusades " to save the natives against the evils of socialism in third world countries,as opposed to the late Fred Hollows Foundation that could not have EXISTED without charitable donations from we paupers to save those same natives from blindness, I suppose if they cannot see then they have to believe what they are told. I note as you say Good Bye, Surfer resurfaces , Rudolph really thinks we oldies are stupid doesn't he?
    moorlands
    11th Mar 2014
    8:52pm
    Mussi, I as many others do not understand how Murdoch ripped we taxpayers off of $882 million. I am not disbelieving you ( This fine upstanding Abbott supporting fellow?) but some of us need it explained?
    doggone
    12th Mar 2014
    12:05am
    what gets me is that this government got elected.
    they are anti pension, anti disability, ani environment, anti nbn, anti climate change and anit fair go in all directions.
    they only got voted for because they made so much noise over the labor government it drowned out what they stood for.

    that is the continuation of the policy to support the wealthy and big business at the expense of everybody else.
    moorlands
    12th Mar 2014
    12:52am
    doggone, I agree with you, how could a totally negative bunch of morons such as these get elected? I blame it on the in fighting that has destroyed the Labour party and which still exists.
    unicorn
    12th Mar 2014
    8:40am
    Thanks Paddles for your answer I should have known that he was one of Abbots cronies cause any decent polly would have given us much more, I am sorry I called him Mr., he doesn't deserve it. I usually only call anybody Mr., when they earn it by respect and I sure as hell do not respect anybody concerned with Abbot.
    seniorsid
    13th Mar 2014
    11:33pm
    I feel this column has lost the plot, and unless it can get some readers who can post constructive and meaningful criticism and encourage intelligent comment, and stop this slandering that is taking place, then I, for one, will give it a miss!
    seniorsid
    13th Mar 2014
    11:33pm
    I feel this column has lost the plot, and unless it can get some readers who can post constructive and meaningful criticism and encourage intelligent comment, and stop this slandering that is taking place, then I, for one, will give it a miss!
    moorlands
    14th Mar 2014
    11:01pm
    Hi sid, Your school obviously did not partake in debating competitions with other schools. In debating competitions you discredited the other side by arguments and smart talk and were awarded points as per your smart talk! a mirror image of Australian Parliament.

    The Election side was usually " In school " and points were awarded to whatever student candidate could offer the most " Freebies " after election. Well they did get them ready for " Democracy "?
    Reeper
    15th Mar 2014
    12:59am
    For starters, the current government isn't taking credit anymore than Rudd did just after he took over and there was a CPI increase. So would the authors of these articles keep their politically oriented snouts out these discussions. There is always opportunities for social security to be reviewed, but like every other government spending it has to take it's place in priority. How about a few making an effort to have military pensions indexed in the same way as age pensions for civilians...??
    moorlands
    17th Mar 2014
    12:11am
    Agree completely Reeper, Politicians look toward the future voters to keep their snouts in the trough,they don't have to consider us oldies as we will not be there.
    seniorsid
    15th Mar 2014
    2:28am
    Mr moorlands, I attended the same High school as Julia Gillard, I don't normally say that out loud, but you are right, we didn't debate. The things we did learn though was, that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and that an empty drum makes the most noise. I do not see anything constructive in creating or copying Parliament, the difference between that and a school ground during the recess period, is that the kids are having fun and not at our expense! Remember while your talking you are not listening.
    moorlands
    16th Mar 2014
    8:34pm
    Strange Sid, All the expensive fee paying schools in our area took part, I voiced my concern to my childs headmaster that this was a ploy to reinforce their superiority, but he reckoned that financially disadvantaged kids had to prepare themselves, speak up, and get the confidence to face the world.
    seniorsid
    17th Mar 2014
    3:15am
    Moorlands, I came from the wrong side of the railway line and Unley High catered for students like me, yet I managed ok without debating. I am not against debating as long as it is constructive and not the rabble we witness in Parliament. There are many self made billionaires in this world with very little education, I did some consulting work for a Chinese/Indonesian man who left school when he was 13, he was told he had no learning skills whatsoever. The same man went on to be the second riches man in Indonesia, only Suharto was richer, he was a man of very few words who listened to those who delivered and those who didn't were show the door.
    If you came up with the goods, which I was fortunate enough to do, not only did he continue to use your services, he paid you well for them. I have notice that debating a policy with a politician is like asking a parrot a question.
    geebee
    17th Mar 2014
    8:01pm
    Seniorsid, in various posts on this forum we may have disagreed philosophically on a number of issues, but I fully support the principles of your comment above. The basic 'you can achieve a lot if you get off your backside and work for it' is a tenet available to all.
    moorlands
    19th Mar 2014
    9:55pm
    Hi, Senior totally agree with your "Parrot Comparison " but I think with Abbotts "Bonfire of Red Tape " that Indonesia will discover that they are are novices!
    moorlands
    19th Mar 2014
    10:15pm
    Should have read "Compared with Australians that they are novices ".
    Morticia
    24th Apr 2014
    3:08am
    Do I think a major overhaul is overdue? @&#!! The entire bloody system needs a good kick in the crotch. And the way OTT* is going it'll get it soon. *Over The Top, One Term Tony.
    helleen
    30th Apr 2014
    1:31pm
    I think the government made a huge mistake when they brought in the thousands of dollars they gave as a baby bonus, we now have a large number of unmarried mothers on the pension, I notice in the news etc they never talk about this pension it's always the age or the disability they have a go at. How about stop encouraging young girls to have children, instead try to teach them to have a life, work, travel, have fun, be young, instead of sitting at home being a "mother" .
    Pardelope
    30th Apr 2014
    8:24pm
    I just want all the pollies to live on a pension or allowance for one year - without any help from family, friends, clubs, charities etc and without access to savings, investments, a car, extra allowances, tax-free perks, free trips, fund-raising dinners, donations... Naturally, they would also not be allowed to live in their current home or with friends, family etc. They would have to be on the waiting list for public housing, medical care, food handouts - and have sick or disabled family to look after.

    The 'poor things" would be in dire straits within a couple of weeks.


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