Labor pledges to increase Centrelink and pension payments

Formula shows how the Government can afford to increase Centrelink payments.

Centrelink payments may increase

Newstart payments would need to increase by up to $300 a fortnight and the Age Pension by $11 a fortnight in order to close the poverty gap, says new research.

The Australian National University’s Centre for Social Research and Methods has examined welfare payments to see how poverty in Australia could be reduced.

Currently, the five welfare payments analysed by the research group costs around $100 billion each year, but the proposed formula could reduce poverty by as much as 11 per cent.

According to the research, in order to close the gap, unemployment benefits should increase by $270 per fortnight, the Age Pension by $11 and rent assistance by about $10.

To pay for these increases, Family Tax benefits (FTB) would need to be reduced by around $60 or more, and single parent payments by more than $30, reports The Australian.

“The reductions for family payments suggests that these payments are currently paid to many households and income units that are either not in poverty or have low poverty gaps,” says the paper.

“FTB can go to families, admittedly at a tapered rate, with incomes over $100,000. From a poverty perspective, it is perhaps not as well targeted with respect to income as allowances and pensions.”

The report comes on the heels of Labor’s pledge to increase the “shamefully low” dole level for hundreds of thousands of payment recipients by $75 if it wins the next federal election.

“Not a single soul in the Labor Party or the trade union movement thinks the rate of Newstart is fair or adequate,” said Inner-western Sydney mayor Darcy Byrne.

“After years of derogatory rhetoric towards Australians who are out of work, Labor has an opportunity this weekend to recast the national debate.”

Recently, YourLifeChoices asked its 230,000 members which of the Age Pension or Newstart should be given a priority if an increase was on the cards.

Around 78 per cent of those surveyed said that the Newstart base rate should be increased, but only 42 per cent said that should be prioritised over raising the Age Pension base rate.

It seems this formula may be the answer to both payments receiving a boost.

Read more at www.news.com.au

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    tisme
    13th Dec 2018
    10:07am
    something needs to improve, I get 1000.00 per fortnight , 700.00 of that is rent
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:19am
    Pretty hard.... now you know why the Red Guards in China went after rich landlords... one group they went after anyway... the Chinese equivalent of The Arab Spring, with popular discontent rearing up and biting exploiters and seeking a purer revolutionary spirit and action more in keeping with traditional values....

    Funny how the world turns... and kinda rings a bell here and now.... hmmmmm....
    HarrysOpinion
    13th Dec 2018
    10:34am
    You can rent in regional cities a neat 2 bedroom unit from $320 per fortnight.Beats renting at $700. Do your research and move. You will save enough to fly to the city to visit your family once a year and stay for a week in a 4 star hotel
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:49am
    On zer trains, Untermenschen! Zer New Territories await you.... for Re-settlement...
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    10:54am
    Ha ha I get nothing so have nothing for rent.
    Charlie
    13th Dec 2018
    12:15pm
    Well, I live in a regional city and pay $420 a fortnight for smallish 2 bedroom flat with no ceiling insulation and high air conditioning costs.

    The rent rises were frozen for a couple of years when I got to pension age, because I asked the owner for a better deal. Otherwise the agent would have jacked it up more.
    GeorgeM
    13th Dec 2018
    1:49pm
    Maybe all of us should get at least that much! Of course, Universal Age Pension - say 70% of Average Wage would be better to aspire for. No complaints then?

    Of course, OG doesn't get anything and doesn't give anything - because he doesn't exist, it's just a Lib party robo-troll issuing comments under that Id.
    Sundays
    13th Dec 2018
    2:31pm
    Tisme aren’t you the career for 3 others. Presumably they also receive money from Centrelink. Surely, you can pool resources
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:16am
    Unemployment Benefits wouldn't feed the cat you couldn't swing in your shared with ten room ...

    Everything fine in Austral-ia,
    Ten to a room in Austral-ia...

    (a small cut from Worst Side Story, a tale of two star crossed lovers, one Arabic and one Indian, in a burgeoning modern Australian flea-trap vertical slum city - and their parents don't agree with their affair!!)...
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:30am
    Might be a movie in that.... Romeo and Juliet in a vertical slum......

    Hold the presses!!!
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    10:33am
    Who will want to work with that sort of money available for not working?
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:50am
    What the falcon hell are you talking about?
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    10:54am
    That it more than enough to live on already so why work when you get more than enough.
    HarrysOpinion
    13th Dec 2018
    10:55am
    It's a rare event that I agree with OG on his comment. It's true, young people and even those unemployed at 50 will have no inclination and motivation to find work. I know that many on Newstart are simply abusing the system and creating every imaginary excuse why they don't land work. Some, even do physical self-harm to themselves so they can get a doctor's certificate for C/link. One person, willfully cut into their knee so that he could get a medical certificate and now he will limp for the rest of his life on welfare.
    Therefore, the notion that Newstart needs to increase by $300 a fortnight is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe $75 a fortnight for those that genuinely seek work but not for those who make themselves chronically unemployable on purpose.
    As for old age pensioners $11 per fortnight increase is not enough. They, also should get a $75 per fortnight increase. Many old age pensioner do voluntary community work.
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    11:03am
    HS that's a bit like what the miners used to do to get a house. They would chopped off a finger and get just enough in compensation to buy a house.

    I know of many people young and not so young that are very happy on Newstart and Youth Allowance too. I know one young fellow that abuses his boss within a hour of starting a job so he gets sacked.

    These people would be clapping their hands with an extra $300 a fortnight to spend on weed.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2018
    12:29pm
    Spot on HS, Centrelink would have to sort the wheat from the chaff before just handing over another $300 to the no hoping bludgers and unfortunately I don't think they do a good job of it now.
    Ardnaher
    13th Dec 2018
    2:04pm
    Too much welfare payment takes away "any" incentive to work...it is a juggling act as to how much you pay people on the dole.
    East of Toowoomba
    13th Dec 2018
    2:52pm
    OG and the rest, you are generalizing and drawing a long bow with your patronizing comments.

    Many "dole bludgers" as you call them worked and paid taxes before finding themselves between jobs. Many if not the majority of those over 55 years old will have worked for 30 or 40 years before finding themselves out of work, perhaps for the first time in their adult life.

    It is quite offensive to lump every person who needs to claim the Newstart allowance as bludgers. It is most likely that they already feel humiliated at having to apply for a handout to tide them and their family over until they find work again without you and others like you heaping insults and hostility on them. You can't possibly know what "most" unemployed people are like, what they've been through and what financial struggles they face as a result.

    On the up-side, I am sure Joe Hockey would applaud you and your bigoted attitudes.
    bob menzies
    13th Dec 2018
    10:34am
    welfare payments are unsustainable and take up too much of annual budget - more efforts should be made to encourage all those that can to sustain themselves - we have cases of 3rd generation welfare dependent people - and I don't care if it only one family which it isn't -one is one too many.
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    10:37am
    It just vote buying nothing more.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:51am
    Oh, well - Cambra will just have to isolate the Social Security funds as they were previously and put the whole deal out of its own hands... so they don't continually pillage it for some pet idea of their own...

    Cambra stuffed it - let them fix it NOW!
    ozrog
    13th Dec 2018
    11:32am
    Get rid if 1 tier of government and collect proper taxes on our resources like the rest of the world do and we will be able to up the pensions to the average wage.
    Ardnaher
    13th Dec 2018
    2:11pm
    There needs to be very "intense" mentoring of those who look like being on the dole for life. They must get them into employment. The country will not be able to afford these welfare payments if we have more and more on benefits. Where are the workers going to come from to pay the taxes!!??

    Figures from 2015 said around 50% of people here are receiving benefit of some sort.
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2018
    8:59am
    Try finding mentors who actually understand the issues the long-term unemployed face and have empathy. Try looking for GENUINE opportunities that give them hope, instead of trying to force them into jobs that amount to worse than a lifetime prison sentence.

    The problem for a lot of folk is that there is no future. Work is nothing more than hours of hell to get a pay cheque that's really no fatter than a dole cheque after all the costs of holding a job are deducted, and all they have to look forward to is more of the same - stretching out decade after decade after decade. And then they hear all this ill-informed BS about taking any job to build self-respect and get experience and working their way into better. THERE ISN'T ANY BETTER FOR THESE FOLK. When people stop trying to force them into crap unsuitable jobs just for the sake of saving a dole payment and recognize that skilled and intelligent people need HOPE and OPPORTUNITY and RESPECT, we might make some progress.

    I've worked with some of who are exceptionally intelligent, skilled and capable, but have never had the opportunity of education or skills training and have been downtrodden and shunned all their lives due to early disadvantage. They hate the society that did that to them - justifiably. And then that society says ''You need to work in this shit job because you...'' and what they hear isn't ''can work your way into better'', because they know they can't. It's ''you are dirty lazy scum and don't deserve better'', because that's what they've heard all their lives. They hear ''you don't have the right to opportunity'' and ''you don't have the right to fair treatment. Illegal exploitation and unsafe conditions are okay for the likes of you''. Have any of you ever been on some of the worksites these people are pushed to and seen the shocking abuse they suffer? And they live in fear of the hideous consequences of complaint. Most of you have never lived in their world, so it's really easy to focus on THEORY, but the reality is very different.

    Maybe the first step is to make the ''mentor'' go to that crap ''any'' job in the unemployed guy's place. Be him/her for a few weeks and witness first hand what it's like. And then try to imagine KNOWING that this is the rest of your life. There's nothing better to hope for. And then when they understand, they might start to see a way through the fog and know how to mentor properly. Because ''just take any job and then you can work your way into something better'' is the biggest load of BS ever spoken. What you are really saying is ''you are lowlife scum because you were born to difficult circumstances and you need to be punished harshly forever, not given a hand up''. I know you don't MEAN to say that, but you do. Because you just don't get what life is like for them.

    On the other hand, there are those who HAVE had opportunity, but just use their brains to work the system. I'm related to one of them. Never worked, but learned how to manipulate the system to be VERY well off on disability. And way too smart to ever be caught out by the idiots at Centrelink - even though it's patently obvious what she's doing and there's a ton of evidence.

    The country can't afford welfare, but the system is geared to having as many on welfare as possible. Why is that? And now Labor wants to push even more onto welfare, and make work and saving even less beneficial for battlers. And more than half the nation are in favour. Is the population really that stupid, is it just that as long it's not THEIR hip pocket hurting, they don't give a damn, or is it - as I suspect - a case of the lesser of two horrendous evils and nobody knows either which is worst or how to find better?
    Old Man
    13th Dec 2018
    10:35am
    Really? We're being asked if we want more money? This was surely a lay down misère as soon as it became known that Labor are sure to win the next election. Labor looks after the downtrodden and hang the expense. So far about $200B of promises have been made with another $40B if Newstart is increased as much as the CFMMEU wants. There has been no information given out as to where the money will come from to pay for these promises. We are retired and no longer pay any tax so when Labor increases tax on the workers we won't be affected. But should Labor start increasing tax on business then we will be affected as prices will surely rise to cover the added expense on business.

    I note that "Chinese Sam" Dastyari has written that he can make the multinationals pay more tax with a plan hatched up by himself, Xenophon and Ludlam in the Senate. It is noted that none of those Senators is still there. What no government, present or past, has successfully done is to change the tax laws to force multinationals to pay more. They have set up their companies to avoid tax in accordance with ATO tax regulations. Will Labor have the guts or ability to change the tax laws for multinationals, we'll wait with bated breath.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    10:52am
    Election Year... Election Year....
    Old Man
    13th Dec 2018
    11:25am
    Ha, ha, Bob. Silly me. You'd think that at my age I'd remember that.
    Rae
    13th Dec 2018
    2:00pm
    It'll never happen. The Country is in debt up to the eyeballs and with revenue flowing out in billions to foreign owners.

    I won't be surprised if welfare payments are cut like Gillard cut single mum's pensions.

    Time to buckle up and try to be a bit less of a dependent on the taxpayers as there are less of them paying bugger all now.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:24pm
    Whoa there, Rae - get off that Rightie Juice - it has some hallucinogenic properties...

    When I see the 'captains' tightening their belts I might consider it .....
    Mad as Hell
    13th Dec 2018
    10:42am
    $5.50 a week increase for aged pensioners. Whoop di do.

    Ungrateful me.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2018
    12:07pm
    Yes you are
    GeorgeM
    13th Dec 2018
    1:53pm
    Troll ignored. ANU is clearly a Greenie bunch (the bunch who helped change the Assts test), hence their disgusting suggestion for a pathetic Age Pension increase. Age Pension should be a liveable wage, and should be linked to Average Wage - say 70% and paid as Universal Age Pension.

    On the other hand their idea of $270/fortnight increase for Newstart is excessive - there won't be any incentive to look for work for many of them. Even Labor's idea of increasing it by $75 is more sensible. Just shows ANU is further left, and clearly Greenie-dominated. Maybe they should also suggest Free Marijuana (as per Clive Palmer's comments about Greens) for Newstart recipients!
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2018
    8:31am
    Lucky you, Mad as hell. Labor is planning to take about $8000 a year from me, and my income is LESS than the aged pension. But apparently working hard and saving to NOT be a burden on taxpayers in retirement is a crime.
    Sadie
    13th Dec 2018
    10:48am
    Dear HS, I would like to know which Regional City has rent @$320 per fortnight for a 2 bedroom unit. I will move there. I am presently paying $500 a fortnight with a rise to $560 due in a few months.
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    10:56am
    $500 per week wont even rent you anything around where I live.
    HarrysOpinion
    13th Dec 2018
    11:07am
    Do research on Wodonga-Albury and their regional suburbs. T'his region has an airport Qantas and Virgin. Major central railway link between Sydney and Melbourne. Hospitals. Strong Health Care. All the major supermarket and retail brands. Entertainment venues.
    casey
    13th Dec 2018
    11:37am
    There are a lot places. I know Latrobe Valley, Shepparton Region, to name a couple have a lot of cheap rentals. Good shopping facilities. V-line access to Melbourne. No employment there, but that probably won't worry you. As HS says do your homework, there are lots of country areas where you can live comfortably with all services if you look.
    casey
    13th Dec 2018
    11:37am
    There are a lot places. I know Latrobe Valley, Shepparton Region, to name a couple have a lot of cheap rentals. Good shopping facilities. V-line access to Melbourne. No employment there, but that probably won't worry you. As HS says do your homework, there are lots of country areas where you can live comfortably with all services if you look.
    Star Trekker
    13th Dec 2018
    11:54am
    Cheaper in Albury than Wodonga.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2018
    12:27pm
    And if your friends and family all live in the suburbs why the hell do you think it would be great to move to a regional centre where you know no one just because the rent might be more affordable? Fine if it suits you but not if it doesn't.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2018
    12:29pm
    Trood - because it’s cheaper to rent and you will have more money for other things

    If you want it of course

    If you don’t then stay put but stop asking for more handouts
    casey
    13th Dec 2018
    12:33pm
    Well said Lothario.
    SuziJ
    13th Dec 2018
    12:33pm
    If you still want to live in NSW, then Albury/Lavington is the better place. If you still want to live in Victoria, then Wodonga's the place.

    I pay $170 pw for a nice updated 2 bedroom unit in a quiet suburb of Albury, which is cheap compared to other places I've had a look at. There are some cheaper units, but they're not usually as up to date.

    There's good bus services 5 1/2 days a week to most areas.

    Just remember that even though Albury is located in NSW, the news, both on TV and in the papers is just about ALL Victorian - not a huge fan of Victoria.

    The twin towns are growing & jobs are pretty much on par with any other major cities.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    2:59pm
    My ex-boss' husband was a copper in Albury - drug problems up the kazoo....
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:26pm
    On zer trains, Untermenschen! You are for re-settlement in the New Territories... we haff ein Final Solution for your worries over renting!
    80 plus
    13th Dec 2018
    11:04am
    HS, Where are these Regional cities? please give some details.
    ozrog
    13th Dec 2018
    11:28am
    Pensions should be lifted to the average wage.
    ozrog
    13th Dec 2018
    11:28am
    Pensions should be lifted to the average wage.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:27pm
    Oh... Ms Banks can live on $40 a day... she said so..... **rolls eyes**... we have yet to see her actually try to do so, though....
    mogo51
    13th Dec 2018
    11:47am
    I think it is essential that Newstart and Aged Pension be increased. The idea of how it will be paid for, is also a good idea.
    But how about we add some measures that require the 'top branches of the tree' pay more, instead of rorting their obligations. Further, big business and overseas companies such as Apple, Microsoft, Alibaba, Facebook, etc etc should be levied a tax on income they are getting away with.
    This is better than the strategy currently of hounding pensioners and the needy.
    I read today that the current Government is offering 0% tax loans to Muslim refugees. Now I am always cautious of postings on Social Media, but this may well be true - if so, it is a disgrace (off topic but worth spreading). Bring on the next election, I will be back in Oz and will vote, but not for either of the 2 majors, I am fed up with them.
    Old Geezer
    13th Dec 2018
    11:52am
    It is against their religion for Muslims to pay interest so you need to find out how the loan is to be repaid.
    Julian
    13th Dec 2018
    2:44pm
    Oh...how convenient! Zero interest along with all of the other benefits demanded.

    The beginning of the end for economic Australia.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    3:01pm
    Can I get that for the positively geared investment property I'm looking at? 0% would be nice...... and I'd be moving there one day so it's not just a dead money loan.
    Julian
    13th Dec 2018
    5:52pm
    Why not!? Change religion.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:28pm
    Damn - I never thought of that.. Allah is truly merciful!
    HarrysOpinion
    13th Dec 2018
    11:54pm
    Muslims pay Zakat, a form of alms-giving treated in Islam as a religious obligation or tax, which, by Quranic ... Zakat is considered part of the covenant between God and a Muslim.
    How Zakat is calculated?
    It is the value of your wealth / assets at the end of the lunar year that is used to calculate and pay the Zakat, (if it still exceeds the Nisab). ... The amount of Zakat to be paid must be calculated on the value of his wealth/assets at the end of the Hawl / lunar year. Usually a minimum of 2.5%
    How much is nisab?
    The Nisab is the minimum amount of wealth a Muslim must possess before they become eligible to pay Zakat. This amount is often referred to as the Nisab threshold. Gold and silver are the two values used to calculate the Nisab threshold. The Nisab is the value of 87.48 grams of gold or 612.36 grams of silver.
    Because Zakat is a donation to....a Muslim charity, the zakat is not subject to government tax. However, the welfare payments they get from a government is subject to the zakat.
    Mind boggles!
    Rubicon
    13th Dec 2018
    12:01pm
    Pure vote buying, if Newstart set too high no incentive to go and find work buy a house and not need rent assistance. Limit single parents benefits to prevent young women having multiple children by different fathers to support their lifestyles. No comments to miserable $5 increase for pensioners , words fail me.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:28pm
    True but they need enough to live on... somewhere near work...

    13th Dec 2018
    12:04pm
    Labors Pork barreling now adding up to over $1Trillion in debt and rising fast
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2018
    2:47pm
    Debt is bigger than that under your verminous Lieberal mates.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    3:02pm
    Figures please - and I don't mean on the catwalk at a fashion show...
    BOLOGO
    13th Dec 2018
    12:09pm
    Reduce Government charges for Electricity and water in WA and pensioners may get by on an 11 dollar a fortnight rise. Australia speeds the LOWEST in THE OECD on aged care funding f pensions.
    Charlie
    13th Dec 2018
    12:20pm
    We are not going to "Rob Peter to pay Paul"
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:29pm
    Nowadays it's 'Rob Peter to pay Paula'... keep up with the times...
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2018
    9:37pm
    Yes, Charlie, Labor is ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL - stealing the incomes of SFRs by overtaxing their dividend income.
    SuziJ
    13th Dec 2018
    12:24pm
    I'd like to see how they're going to fund this increase - $20 per fortnight (rent assistance + additional) is absolutely NOTHING! We should be receiving at least $100 per fortnight. If they show me where they're going to fund this from, I might think about voting for them.
    Anonymous
    13th Dec 2018
    12:27pm
    Funding will be from increasing our debt
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:21pm
    Properly taxing offshore corporation and taxing offshore cash on entry and exit... no problem...
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2018
    8:29am
    They plan to steal from self-funded retirees, SuziJ. But they haven't considered that doing that will force those self-funded retirees onto pensions and cost more than they are planning to steal.
    Ardnaher
    16th Dec 2018
    3:34pm
    Someone has to pay for Shorten's increases and SFRetirees look a good bet and it will only increase the size of the mattresses as people scramble to hang onto what they have scrimped and saved for and also increasing our debt as Lothario has pointed out.

    People are very short sighted and I honestly think many believe in the "money tree" or just never put their thinking caps on and wonder who is going to pay for these increases.

    Labor love spending money they dont have and we all know what happens from past experience...eventually they get tossed out and in come the cleaner uppers to sort out the mess.

    13th Dec 2018
    2:42pm
    Good on you Labor! I'll be voting 1 ALP. The sooner this government of far-Right retarded nincompoops is cast out the better.
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2018
    8:35am
    Yes, let's instead have retarded nincompoops who think work and saving is a crime and who take everything away from working Australians and give it to people who don't work. That will surely make for a good society.

    Your pension increase will be funded by stealing abut $8000 a year from me, and my income is LESS than the current age pension. But I'm sure you think that's perfectly acceptable. After all, why should I be allowed to benefit in any way from having saved? Like all good communists, the Labor Party thinks working and being self-supporting is a crime.
    Sundays
    13th Dec 2018
    2:48pm
    Newstart is too low and forces people into poverty. However, the actual amount of increase needs to not be so high it ceases incentive to find work.
    Jacks
    13th Dec 2018
    3:14pm
    Federal Labor hasn't publicly announced anything other than a review, so the headline is misleading.

    There are however, local politicians both Labor and Liberal in a vast number of local councils who are arguing for an increase in Newstart
    terrib
    13th Dec 2018
    4:48pm
    It's the pensioners that need the extra $3
    00. If you run a car & have hobbies it is not easy living on what we get. I do voluntary work twice a week & do art so I can keep myself as active as possible. I have steel halfway up my spine due to scoliosis & quite a number of complaints like Rthritis etc, so need to be as active as I can. The petrol price though is leaving a gaping hole in my budget. WE deserve the extra after working hard all our life.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:32pm
    Try the cost of 4-5 trips a fortnight for a disabled person for whom you are carer... one such canceled today meant a sigh of relief... each trip is nearly an all day event due to distances, and my calculations don't include wages for a driver...

    This kind of puts the lie to moving out to the New Territories for many - the costs of travel escalate. I recall when buying my first home, and for the difference in petrol burnt weekly, I could have bought in inner Sydney.
    geordie
    13th Dec 2018
    5:23pm
    Cigs, drugs and booze put people on the poverty line. Clean up the bludgers and make sure the right people get the help needed. Problem is that there are so many people who have never put into the pot taking from it. Gumment should be able to see who has contributed and who hasn't. Too much free stuff out there helping the lead swingers have a very nice (and lazy) life thank you.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:35pm
    When Menzies set it up, he said that funding would come from the still operating levy in income ta, plus levies from other taxation strands, and that Pension entitlement is not based on individual contribution to the pot. That the pot exists at all is the sole reason for a person who reaches pension age drawing it, unless they fail the assets and incomes test.

    So it doesn't matter if they spent their money on p1ss, pokies, pussy, ponies, and puppies, let alone smokes.... there are no bludgers receiving Old Age Pension.....
    alinejordan
    13th Dec 2018
    5:23pm
    maybe you could suggest living on the moon, no rent!
    inextratime
    13th Dec 2018
    5:51pm
    Just pay everyone over 65 a set amount regardless of their asset base.
    Then the government can get rid of thousands of Centrelink employees who spend all day making things as difficult as possible to ensure they have ongoing employment. Then sell off or rent out the hundreds of centrelink premises, so there is no more power bills and maintenance bills etc etc. Any one done the sums ? But hang on what would they do with all those centrelink employees - the unemployment rate would go through the roof.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    7:39pm
    Universal Pension? We've been over that....

    Colonel c'Link could then concentrate on the Unemployed and keep a close check there, maybe even revert to the CES .. and we could expand them into a Neighbourhood Watch for politician's rorts and Dob-In-A-Cash-Shifter-To-Offshore.... they could do surveys of public views on policies.... help the ABS out ....

    Plenty of work in real rorting for the C'link employee who wants it.... Catch A Wage Thief .... skin a public servant who cheats on entitlements ...
    GeorgeM
    13th Dec 2018
    8:45pm
    Too much common sense in what you say, inextratime, maybe that's why they still haven't proposed it in Canberra! Many of us have said it here umpteen times! Universal Age Pension without any tests except Age (65) and Residency (say 15 yrs).

    Yes, Trebor, so many ways those redundant C'link employees could be used - maybe also help the ATO out to catch the really Big Thieves, using Robo-Debt software which they are experienced in, and rake in Billions....Could lead to a massive increase in the Age Pension. Did I get carried away?
    bandy
    13th Dec 2018
    8:50pm
    After reading some of the comments here concentration camps could make a comeback that Im sure will make most of you happy

    13th Dec 2018
    9:19pm
    So Labor is going to STEAL 30% of the income of SFRs and push their incomes to way below the aged pension level in order to hand out more to pensioners. Yeah, I imagine that would please all the selfish takers in our society.

    I think Newstart needs to increase, but certainly NOT by $300 a fortnight. And until EVERY self-funded retiree is guaranteed an income at least equal to the aged pension including all benefits, we can't afford an aged pension increase. It's time we STOPPED rewarding people for not taking responsibility for their own retirement. Yes, the aged are ENTITLED to their pension. And those who worked harder and saved better are DOUBLY ENTITLED to the benefits they earned. And while ever they are being cheated by unfair means tests and unfair tax on dividends, we CAN'T AFFORD to pay the entitlements of those who are wrongly favoured.

    I stood up for pensioners - but no more. I'm heartily disgusted with their selfishness - all cheering Labor's unfairness to SFRs.
    TREBOR
    13th Dec 2018
    11:09pm
    A stupid policy thought bubble that has not addressed the full facts. Does not augur well for Shorten in government when he comes up with half-baked ideas like this, and doesn't look at all the facts.

    Still waiting for my answer...
    Anonymous
    14th Dec 2018
    9:00am
    They won't answer, Trebor, because they can't justify their treachery. They KNOW they are wrong. They KNOW they are doing evil. The motive is sinister and they don't want it known, so when you uncover their lies, they panic and go silent.
    GregH
    13th Dec 2018
    11:32pm
    Umm what rubbish! Where do these people get their figures? Try raising the Pension (DSP and Age) by $300 a week to get us above the poverty line. Rent Assistance needs to be increased by hundreds of dollars too. When I last paid rent in 2011, I was paying $680 a fortnight in a dingy Melbourne outer suburb - high crime rate - 60% of housing was Housing Commission/Dept of Housing - and I got $86 a FORTNIGHT rent assistance. I had to get meals on wheels - it was all I could afford for food. In winter, I scavenged wood off the side of the road to burn for heat. My health issues got worse because I couldn't afford the medications let alone specialist's appointments. I have to live where I can access medical care so can't move to a country town for cheaper rent even if I would prefer to live there! The last time I shared accommodation, my house mate stole from me and shot through leaving me with huge bills I couldn't pay. There are no easy answers. I worked in a professional job for 23 years until I got sick (bitten by bed bugs and nearly died) and had to go on the DSP. After 14 years on the pension, I have no reserves and no hope. I did put one step son through Uni after his mum died from cancer and had been a foster parent of 18 kids over the years but no more. Increasing the pension by $11 won't even pay for one meal!

    14th Dec 2018
    12:57am
    Pigs will fly before these increases happen!
    Alexia
    15th Dec 2018
    4:14pm
    NO I don't think it is a fair plan at all!
    I think the age pension should be increased by $300 a fortnight as well and the concessions for utilities be also increased by 50%, as they do not exist for most utilities as gas and others.
    But, of course, that is only an impossible wish as we all know with our deficient and halfas---d government.
    The necessities of the aged are not covered or even considered by the law makers and the deciders and only the overpaid government officials, the rich and the opportunistic foreigners from China and other places are able to live well in our system.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    8:51pm
    Well of course, Alexia! Self-funded retirees who are already on incomes LESS than the OAP, with ZERO concessions are to be robbed of up to 30% of their income if Shorten wins, but their children should DEFINITELY fund a pay rise of $150 a week+++++++ for you. After all, you are only already enjoying a total income package of at least 1/3rd more than many who are living off their own savings. Add franking credit losses and a $150 a week pay rise and pensioners will be on way more than double the income of many of those whose hard work and sacrifice is boosting the national budget. But let's keep attacking SFRs.

    I'm copping all sorts of nasty abuse for saying some pensioners are selfish. Sorry. But it appears maybe the accusation is justified in some cases.
    Adrianus
    16th Dec 2018
    5:08pm
    This appears to be Labor's policy on increasing Newstart payments, straight from the Labor Leader.
    "Labor will urgently complete a review into the inadequacy of Newstart payments and make recommendations within the first 18 months of government, on how best to address this. The review should include broad consultation and surveying of unemployed Australians about how the low rate of Newstart impacts on their health, ability to re-enter employment and to afford basic necessities, with the responses to be publicly reported."
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    5:10pm
    HAHAHAHA

    You CANNOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP

    Sounds like a Monty Python skit
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    8:44pm
    In other words, they will do SWEET NOTHING, but stage a nice pretence and spend a lot of money on academics asking questions anyone with an ounce of common sense already knows the answer to. And MAYBE, two years down the track, they MIGHT consider actually increasing Newstart.

    And Labor voters actually think this is ''caring for the average Australian''?

    What's the bet they increase their own salaries in the first year in office?
    KB
    17th Dec 2018
    12:46pm
    I have friends who are finding it hard o find accommodation even in rural and regional areas such as Murray Bridge and the Riverland because they are cheap and snapped up, They are friend in their sixties. They cannot afford anything above 250. Rent needs to be capped by the government
    Anonymous
    17th Dec 2018
    7:14pm
    Good Communist policy. Stop people making money and just prop up the lazy and the useless. NO, rent SHOULD NOT be capped. People who buy property should be able to make fair return for their investment. Nobody owes your friends anything.

    Why can't they afford anything above $250? Because they didn't work and save? Because they ran up debts for things they couldn't afford?

    The pension is over $650 a week for a couple. Workers live on less than that and pay off mortgages. Self-funded retirees live on less than that. It costs some SFRs more than that to live in the home they spent 40 years paying off.

    If your friends can't afford a house, live in a caravan. Plenty of folk do. Or share accommodation. House sit and get a roof for free. Find a farmer who needs a caretaker and can offer a cottage. Move to an area where there is more accommodation available.

    This gimme gimme gimme attitude is stuffing the country. We simply can't afford to keep taking away from those who contribute to give to those who don't. Ultimately, there will nothing left for anyone if it continues. Communism failed everywhere it was tried.

    I believe in a strong social security system and a generous retirement scheme. I want to see adequate provision for the genuinely needy, and older folk living their winter years in safety and comfort. But people have to accept that the nobody owes them anything. You want.... get up and have a go. If you can't or won't, then you have to reduce your expectations. Your friends have an income higher than many workers and savers enjoy and they can likely get rent assistance and they get very generous concessions and freebies that workers and the self-funded don't enjoy. They neither need nor deserve more.
    Blinky
    3rd Feb 2019
    10:38am
    R u serious. Increase the pension by $11 a fn? That's 5.5 pw? How's that going to help? U gotta be joking your life choices!! Once again, retirees r the losing third world class citizens of Australia Fair!


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