Centrelink overhaul lauded as payments cop fierce criticism

As the government extols the virtues of its Centrelink IT overhaul, a new report slams the adequacy of welfare payments.

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As the government extols the virtues of its Centrelink IT overhaul – with no reference to its flawed and damaged robo-debt scheme – a new report slams the adequacy of welfare payments.

But first the ‘good’ news.

Indian digital services company Infosys has fought off IBM and Accenture to secure a lucrative contract with Services Australia to transform the complex 30-year-old payments calculation engine used to work out the eligibility of Centrelink recipients.

Infosys senior vice-president Andrew Groth says that the deal will help to create a “flexible welfare service delivery system for the future”.

“A robust, responsive and agile welfare entitlements system is crucial for all Australians, particularly those in need,” he says. “Infosys is tremendously proud to support Services Australia on such a transformational project that underpins the Australian community and broader economy.”

Meanwhile, a new research report says that Centrelink is driving people into homelessness.

Dangerously low payments are driving people into poverty, and putting them at risk of homelessness, according to the Homeward Bound report, authored by solicitor Sophie Trevitt and undertaken by the National Society Security Rights Network and Canberra Community Law.

“Homeward Bound examines the experiences of hundreds of people struggling to survive on dangerously low Centrelink payments and facing the threat of homelessness,” says Ms Trevitt.

“People on the Newstart Allowance are struggling to live on less than $40 a day. They are entirely cut off from the private rental market, and with extremely long wait times for public housing, many were forced to sleep in their cars, in the living rooms of friends and families, in parks, caravans and refuges.”

She has called on the government to increase Newstart payments by $75 a week, index future increases to inflation and review payments every six months. Perhaps surprisingly, one quarter of Newstart recipients are aged over 55.

Kasy Chambers, chief executive of Anglicare Australia, told The New Daily that Australians who relied on Newstart had been effectively locked out of the private rental market.

Anglicare’s recent rental affordability snapshot found that of 69,000 rental listings in Australia, only two would be affordable to Newstart recipients. “That would have included a room in a share house too,” Ms Chambers said.

Homeward Bound found:

  • People relying on Centrelink are struggling to put food on the table and a roof over their heads.
  • The commonwealth government should immediately raise the Newstart Allowance, Family Tax Benefit and Rental Assistance.
  • There is insufficient affordable, social housing … across the country to ensure all members of our community have somewhere safe, secure and decent to live.

Ms Trevitt said the robo-debt scheme was only one part of a system of often punitive, difficult to navigate and inadequate social security measures that drive vulnerable people further into poverty, put their tenancies at risk, and contribute to rising rates of homelessness.

The report is the first stage of a national research initiative mapping the experiences of people on Centrelink.

Should Rental Assistance be reviewed urgently? Has it kept pace with the realities of rental costs?

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    Chris B T
    4th Dec 2019
    9:57am
    Don't we Have Enough Indian Call Centres, soon we would need to learn Punjab or similar.
    Not a good out come, as these new telecommunication devices play havoc with my hearing.
    The devices are already outdated as they go on sale and same with there Operation.
    There are a service Provider, which would have you dealing with there System and People.
    {;-(
    leek
    4th Dec 2019
    10:10am
    Ype I lost my job to India. I was made "redundant", and found out 6 months later that my
    little department area was outsourced to India. A hard pill to swallow
    Farside
    4th Dec 2019
    2:47pm
    in Australia price is king, most prefer to buy cheap
    Arvo
    4th Dec 2019
    2:58pm
    Many people from India are very nice people but, why do Australians lose work to outsourced Indian call centres? Because, Indian call centres pay their workers with peanuts not with water melons !!!
    It's a great Australian shame that our government supports underpaid labour.
    Incognito
    4th Dec 2019
    4:26pm
    Just had an Indian knock on my door offering free LED lights (Energy saving initiative by the Vic Government), rang the company, was answered by an Indian, they get the contracts because everything is privatized.
    Play Fairly
    4th Dec 2019
    5:56pm
    Why do we continue to pay politicians to farm out the responsibilities and functions of government?    Shouldn't they be working at retaining Australian jobs and Privacy within the Public Service,  instead of contracting out functions to overseas labour providers. 

    What a mess we are in already as a direct result of privatisation;  e.g selling off Telstra and Australia Post.  Allowing functions within Centrelink to be contracted out,  as well as the privatisation of Detention Centres and the leasing of our Australian Ports to overseas entities.

    Not too many Australians are happy with the service they receive from their communications provider,  and it is not uncommon for Australia Post "snail mail" to take longer than a week to reach you if it comes from another state.  Articles coming from overseas can often arrive in less time than it takes domestic mail to move from one Australian State into another.   Privatisation of our communications has been a backward step, particularly for those endeavouring to run a business.

    Now it seems "Infosys" is going to have access to the personal information and banking details of all Welfare and Pension Recipients.

    I don't feel confident that this government has any idea as to how badly they have performed by selling out Australians through the privatisation of former government functions and responsibilities.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    12:24am
    I am afraid I can see several confused comments above, other than from Play Fairly whose comments are quite correct. The article is about Software outsourcing, NOT Call Centres, please get your bearings right.

    Going from IBM / Accenture to Infosys is going from bad to worse! While IBM is very bureaucratic it still follows rules and can be trusted, whereas one must have major concerns with Infosys about it's quality as well as security of personal data going to India. Instead of robo-debt type of failures, we may end up with a variety of failed systems and lots of excuses. BAD move.

    Also, note that Robo-debt is NOT the fault of outsourced software companies, rather it is the utter failure of Centrelink staff who devised the business rules based on which software was written. So, if clowns decide the rules in Centrelink, their heads should roll.
    Chris B T
    5th Dec 2019
    9:46am
    GM
    Who do you Think You Be Talking To, when a Problem Arises.
    You quickly Passed Over To The System's People.
    From my Knowledge Indian Companies use there Own People and Australian Call Centre will not be one of Them.
    Their System and Their People.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    11:55am
    Chris, this article is about replacing IBM with Infosys for IT systems. Call Centres are only a small part and usually separately outsourced - more likely you may talk to Serco, that British company, who is one of the Outsourcers who also look after Detention Centres!!! Big concerns there too regarding where personal data goes!

    Have you ever talked to IBM, leading you to conclude you may have to talk to Infosys? Infosys is a major NASDAQ listed company (with bigger fish to fry) and I am not sure they are even interested in call centres.
    Chris B T
    5th Dec 2019
    1:12pm
    GM
    Any Problems and there will be, as the Nature of there Business is to under Score there competitors at any unrealistic level.
    Once in Place, old System Replaced they control the Usefulness of the System and Updates are at a Cost. "Old System Redundant."
    The Centerlink Staff will be Reliant on Their Release of Useful Information.
    These Conglomerates have many Identities, to which they control how well the other Operations Run.
    You say they this "Infosys" not interested in Call Centres, I bet they Control them under another Name.
    Sad part is this is allowed to Happen by this Gov.
    The more confusion, frustration to both the Client and Staff the Better.
    Then the claim is Not Us "Infosys", Just Like the Government.
    I'm having this Problem with AGL at the moment.
    Arvo
    7th Dec 2019
    6:36am
    Chris B T -You are spot on.
    GM- I'm talking about jobs for Australian citizens in Australia. Not in India, Not in Philippines, Not in Britain. Speaking of Britain, it is well known they employ underpaid slave labour.
    It is also well known that Coles and Woolworths in capitol state cities employ workers on temporary work visas for low salary contracts from overseas in Australia and segregate them to ethnic suburban store locations. eg, Ashfield, Hurstville, Rockdale, Bankstown on a ratio of 5 to 1 Caucasian etc,etc.In regional areas, the ratio is opposite.
    Telcos engage foreign call centre operatives. Energy suppliers do the same.
    Telephone conversation on issues with service and billing with the foreign operatives is absolutely frustrating , 1) one can hardly understand them because of their strong accents 2) it's like talking to a brick wall because they have no empathy with Australian customer's issues.Fortunately, some have online messaging resource where you state your problem in writing and they write back to you even though one may have to wait 10 minutes for them to write back and obtain a resolution.
    With 670,000 unemployed people on Newstart why is the government outsourcing employment to foreign countries?
    Incognito
    7th Dec 2019
    1:20pm
    They outsource because it is cheaper, it is all about being 'back in the black'.
    Horace Cope
    4th Dec 2019
    10:59am
    Who is Sophie Trevitt and what are her qualifications to conduct a survey to arrive at her conclusion? What were her questions and to whom were those questions put? You see, what we have is somebody who has an opinion just as those who respond in this forum also have an opinion. I'm certain that some people cannot live off Newstart just as there are some who can. This difference is also similar to rental subsidies in that Australia is a vast country with totally different cost depending on which state one resides or whether it's city as opposed to country. It's nigh impossible to formulate a policy that will be acceptable to everybody.
    Kaz
    4th Dec 2019
    11:20am
    It says where she’s from so how about we accept her suggestion, have some compassion and lift Newstart. There is so much wealthfare that I cannot understand why people have an issue with giving those who are the lowest paid a helping hand. Employers screwing low paid workers, banks screwing customers but paying millions to its CEO, govt implementing what was essentially an illegal system, using remaining NDIS funds as part of the surplus, subsidising mining industries, etc. and what DON’T we know?
    libsareliars
    4th Dec 2019
    4:36pm
    Well said Kaz, agree entirely with you. Why is it that some people love to shoot the messenger when they don't agree with their ideas. It's not just Sophie Trevitt saying the government needs to lift the Newstart payment - it's John Howard, it's business people, it's economists and anybody who has any sense of compassion to those doing it extremely tough.
    Horace Cope
    4th Dec 2019
    4:59pm
    Gee libsareliars, She's not the messenger, she wrote the message and by the way if all libsareliars then how can John Howard be believed?
    inextratime
    4th Dec 2019
    10:32pm
    Hi Horace, here's a little puzzle for you to work out.
    1. Check out the new start money for a 65 year old person.
    2. Check out the rental market
    3. Take out the rent
    4, take out the electricity
    5. take out food
    6. take health cover (joke)
    7. Work out what's left and then you may understand the reason for the article above.
    tisme
    4th Dec 2019
    11:00am
    im not a worker im a carer on welfare, the govt pays me 3.00 an hour to care for ( in my case ) 4 adults 24/7 now age 60 im damaged i rent a house i cant afford, i cant work because of all the damage no super no nothing. so many like me face life on the streets when our caring days are over, if they ever are. talk about economic slavery ( supposed to be against U.N rules but they dont do anything cept put tents up in arab and african countries
    Jezemeg8
    4th Dec 2019
    11:20am
    I can empathise tisme, I was forced into retirement deemed 'too disabled to be safely employed' in the very year Universal Superannuation applied to the industry in which I'd been working 18 hour days, 7 days a week. My 'golden handshake' after over 20 years working was a whopping $1,000!!! Retirement plans before Universal Super didn't include single women, women, it was deemed, would live off of the proceeds of their husband's super! However, I am one of the more fortunate in that I live off of a single DSP Centrelink payment and do live in public housing, but it's still hard to make ends meet.
    I also spend my time out on the streets and can confirm there is an increase in the numbers of people, particularly women and those who are retired, 'sleeping rough' on the streets! I wish that I could offer some people a safe place to sleep but to do so would contravene the Tenancy Agreement I signed when entering public housing. The entire system is screwed, the only ones seemingly getting ahead are our politicians on their lucrative retirement schemes.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    2:31pm
    I get $130 a fortnight, hours not specified... but on call hours I worked out I'd get about $1 an hour, not including the excess costs for petrol etc.
    Rae
    5th Dec 2019
    6:05am
    Why don't the 4 adults you care for pay the rent tisme? It seems you are being taken advantage of because 4 lots of disability pension should cover rent, water and electricity.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    9:41am
    I was wondering if there are extra payments for each additional 'cared-for' person, Rae... but I agree that tisme should be checking on this... something is not right.

    I know people who do in-house visiting and assistance - and they are paid well, thank you ... still wouldn't do it - the ex's daughter deals mainly with the mentally disabled.. too much work for me, I'm afraid.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    9:44am
    tisme would benefit from a reliable Retirement Payment scheme, one in which there was no avenue for government(s) to treat it as a political or ideological football, and in which a guaranteed minimum payment would apply according to the Menzies principle of 'regardless of contribution'. tisme's situation does not provide super etc.... sounds a cruel way to live - I am carer for one and it';s a serious burden in many ways.
    johnp
    4th Dec 2019
    12:10pm
    Now there's a red flag if ever I have seen one - dangerous !!
    Where it says
    "Indian digital services company Infosys has secured a lucrative contract with Services Australia to transform the payments calculation engine used to work out the eligibility of Centrelink recipients."
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    2:32pm
    Good God!! How much are they being paid to do that? Money lost again to the Australian economy and never to be seen again... do these political spenders think we're made of money out here?
    Aussie
    4th Dec 2019
    3:19pm
    Mate ... just wait and see after the preparation of the final project plan and definition of all the requirements in a document including the real costing you will see a very big increase from the original quote..... I wonder if the original quotation from Infosys is public for AU citizens to view and then compare with the real development prices and I am sure that a hardware replacement will be part of the project.

    During my time in IT I have never seen a project that gets closer or better that the original quotation it is always something else not included or not analysed properly that create a massive overhead in cost ..... SO wait and see the results more money and more money
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    9:50am
    Isn't India a 'socialist' nation sweating under the weight of the Chinese just over the border - the same Chinese who invaded Tibet in 1956? Isn't India a 'socialist' nation right next door to deeply disturbed Pakistan with its serious issues of Islamism?

    What is going on here?
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    12:05pm
    Trebor, ever since Keating's recession, Outsourcing has become the standard and jobs / IT have been outsourced as a so-called attempt to have lower costs. However, as Aussie has correctly noted, all these foreign companies (IBM, Infosys, etc, etc, etc) all ensure the prices build up by charging for "Extras" or "Changes to Original Requirements" and we the taxpayers are no better in the end, with our own people having lost their jobs, some on the dole forever, and with less Income Tax take for the Govt. A lose-lose situation for the Govt and Australian people. Trump is trying to change a few things in USA, we need such a radical leader here, the sooner the better.

    BTW - I am completely confused by your comments about India being physically close to China & Pakistan - no relevance I think.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:17am
    China and Pakistan are both national security concerns - do you want your information/life data handed to a Taliban derivative or a 'socialist' Chinese government?

    Not only physically close, but joined at the hip - India being a socialist nation and having Islamic issues as well, and whre there is a will, there is a way.
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    4:16pm
    Trebor, I agree with your comments about China & Pakistan, however that has no relevance to any work done in India who will have no dealings with those two (practically enemies). Nothing to do with being "socialist" too - why is that a bad word anyway? We are drifting...
    Priscilla
    4th Dec 2019
    12:14pm
    This is a typical example of why there are no jobs in Australia. Government penny pinching is costing people their livelihoods, jobs, tax revenue and suicides.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    2:37pm
    Putting Australian money back into the Australian economy reduces the drainage to offshore entities... if you pay Australian workers, they pay tax here, then those they spend money with (should) pay tax here, and so it goes, with the only Black Holes being where someone has the opportunity to offshore profit or spend it offshore or hoard it in a non-taxpaying bolt-hole that the government approves for them ...

    For example -$50Bn start-up money, and now climbing, for submarines built Offshore, with no reciprocal contract anywhere on the horizon (or below it?). What kind of $50Bn deal are the French going to offer us? Making wine bottles for them or cheese to export to them? Do we have some desperate 'international security' need to boost the ailing French economy?

    Now what kind of damned fool would sign up to such an agreement?

    Stoopid is as stoopid does, as they allus say down in Green Bow...
    Triss
    4th Dec 2019
    12:48pm
    Did I read that Infosy was being paid $1 billion? Tighten your belts, pensioners.
    Snowflake
    4th Dec 2019
    12:55pm
    I wouldn't be surprised that in implementing a new system all sorts of letters will be sent out in error. We've paid you too much, you aren't eligible, you don't come within the criteria. It will not be smooth sailing. As for Newstart, it's just short of criminal whay they pay unemployed people, but then our prime miister does belong to the Pentacostal church of Hillsong and I think most of us know what they are about. One of their edicts is only help those that help themselves, sound familiar. Of course, if you are on the dole you aren't helping yourself, are you? By the way Blowlo how's that praying for rain going for you? It's funny how not many people say they voted for the Liberals, I wonder why that is?
    Horace Cope
    4th Dec 2019
    3:27pm
    It's interesting how people think depending on their bias. Here we have a person ridiculed for praying for rain because his belief in his God makes him accept that a prayer for rain is worthwhile yet in the Mid North Coast, just last week, a group of Aboriginal people did a rain dance to the squeals of delight of others. Those Aboriginal people have a belief in their Spirits which makes them accept that a rain dance in honour of their Spirits is worthwhile. The sad part about this is I will be accused of racism, an accusation that will be false, by those who see any comment about any race for any reason to be racist.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    9:53am
    I propose a national rain dance... my mother claimed some far western Lakota blood, and I once did a rain dance Indian style on the top of a pair of water tanks in drought - it rained solid for two days..... the neighbours thought I was crazy...
    Bundabergian
    4th Dec 2019
    1:00pm
    We all (most of us anyway) complete a tax return each year yeah? ATO is linked through the system. So why the hell can't they just look at your details and your income off your tax return and decide if you need some help? Why do we have to jump through all the bloody paint in the ar$e centrelink hoops which include being demeaned and told you are a liar (yes it has happened) by the rude centrelink staff? Keep the system simple and you wont have stuff ups like robodebt and the "punitive, difficult to navigate and inadequate" system.
    Paddington
    4th Dec 2019
    8:50pm
    Who completes a tax return? No one I know does, not the retired ones anyway!
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    9:55am
    Those with any 'earned income' are obliged to submit an annual return... that is why the argument about franked credits is a nonsense - unless some are cheating.... and that's usually the 'big boys' who have the opportunity to hide income in many bolt-holes, courtesy of governments respective.

    Footnote:- You don't seriously think our well-heeled 'socialist' Laborites really want to close down all the loop-holes and bolt-holes, do you? They'd be in line to cough up, too - and the 'betters' shouldn't be paying taxes!!
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    9:56am
    Oh - and only a percentage of returns are thoroughly checked.... chances are you could go through life and never be checked...
    JoJozep
    4th Dec 2019
    1:27pm
    Why are we expecting welfare payments to increase? Can't people on welfare understand the present government is going through a crisis, with lower tax revenues (stagnant wages = lower taxes). The present government couldn't care less about recipients, as long as they meet their objectives, like spending billions to house refugees offshore, (to keep us safe from marauding men women and children who may one day brandish a kitchen knife while cooking) and this translates to shortage of funds. Remember too, that increasing revenue through increase in taxes would be the LNP's or any other parties death knell, so let's not rock the boat, I mean who voted these leeches in at the last election?

    Wasn't it those who had a self interest to preserve their standard of living and bugger the rest of the Australians who are slowly drowning in poverty? Yes the Labour party wasn't perfect by any means, but their basic philosophy was sound, and the scare campaign by the LNP and that non electable Palmer spending $50 million on false advertising did have an effect on the election outcome . The press worked overtime to put the LNP and supporters as the party who could do no wrong, maybe because they could generate controversy and gullible people would believe their trail of deception. Where were the commentators and editorial staff that presented a balanced view and see through the smoke screen? What happens to the 49% of people who didn't vote for the LNP? are they to be discarded as "welfare trash"? We were once prosperous, but don't be fooled what have the LNP achieved in the past 6 years? You guessed it bugger all.

    It was Whitlam who I remember dragged Australia out of the 60's doldrums,, and we began a new journey of wealth and prosperity, especially after opening up trade relations whit China. Yes, prosperity brought with it severe inflation and yes, the Labour party should have taken steps to fight it, even if it meant stepping on the toes of the 4 pillars of Australian robbery plus the reedy and voracious building societies (Clients of building society Pyramid were paying out 18%-20% but charging home buyers 27%). In all, welfare recipients were enjoying a decent life.

    Then came the scare mongering and the LNP could see that Whitlam was too liberal and too generous towards the poorer people and starting to bite into big business and big profits. So who did Fraser employ to do his dirty work, none other than that drunken buffoon the governor general, who sacked Whitlam. It worked! The LNP got voted back in.

    Those people on welfare (and I agree there are some cheating the system) are always the scapegoats, and as Australia's population ages, there will be more of us in old age. The simple principles of economics have been ignored. What could we have done in the past 6 years?

    1. Increase our migration intake of younger people.
    2. Make it more attractive for young couples to have more children to maintain a small population increase not decrease.
    3 Make affordable loans available for family housing especially in regional areas
    4. Encourage new industries like renewable energy
    5. Stop union bashing and set minimum living wages
    6. Get Super funds to invest in Australian companies (mandatory if necessary)
    7. Help the consumer stand up to big business
    8. Stop Australia's resources being plundered by a few rich billionaires (like iron ore, rarer metals, natural gas etc.) that belong to Australians and therefore get a much better return for the public
    9. Stop lying about controlling energy prices when in fact the big companies (many overseas owned) can charge what they like in a loosely controlled market.
    10. Tell the Americans (Trump & Co), we also have Australia's interests at heart and believe in free trade.

    These are a few suggestions, and there are many more, but unless we do something and tell the LNP to get off their well polished leather parliamentary seats and actually do something novel and positive for the whole of Australia, then it ain't going to happen in our lifetime.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    2:47pm
    8. Stop Australia's resources being plundered by a few rich billionaires (like iron ore, rarer metals, natural gas etc.) that belong to Australians and therefore get a much better return for the public.

    Amazing that with all the kerfuffle about Aboriginal rights (right and wrongs, depending on your view), that there is no equivalent movement from the average Australian who does not identify with some group, as Aboriginals clearly can and do.

    I, being of Irish/Scottish/German ancestry, do not really identify with any one of those groups - I lack some clear identifying marker such as features and skin colour etc - so am part of the silenced Majority - they who have no voice but have a desperate need to scream loudly (Harlan Ellison - thank you)...

    Millions of dollars are poured into ensuring that Aboriginal groups get a fair return on 'the lend' usage, from resource extraction to cattle running etc (Ammaroo Station in the NT has just entered an agreement with local tribes) - yet there is no such 'agreement' with the Australian people as a whole - apart from the very limited 'royalties' that are sucked into State revenue and become just a pittance after admin costs etc... and are thrown at any pet project without an over-arching plan in place for the State, and the Nation. Most likely to fund a raise for the politicians and their good mates...
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    2:57pm
    6. Get Super funds to invest in Australian companies (mandatory if necessary)

    The Trebor Scheme - the National Retirement Packaging Group separate and far removed from government and business - would invest in approved Australian infrastructure and business, at a fair rate of interest...

    Small business loans here are currently at 5-6% here.. Singapore will give a business loan with an effective rate between 6.5-13%......

    With the trillions of super invested and social security etc under one roof, the pool is huge... and a fair rate of interest would return enough to sustain the fund and the loans would get the nation on track for ITSELF and keep it there!
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    2:59pm
    Then there are shares investments, lie a super fund, though I hesitate to suggest business ventures directly by and on behalf of the Fund ... for reasons of possible conflict. Like a Union, once you get into business ventures to provide your running cash flow, you become part of the problem and not of the solution... and you generate conflicts of interest.
    libsareliars
    4th Dec 2019
    4:40pm
    Well said JojoZep and Trebor

    4th Dec 2019
    2:28pm
    Wow - talk about making a golden cow out of base metal, the government is EXTOLLING its changes to RobberDebt as a great and magnanimous action on their part?

    THAT gives a whole new meaning to the term 'Spin'™. Hush, but their kindness and innate sense of decency and morality know no bounds..... *ROFL emoticon implied*

    All those years ago I looked at Australia First askance, and considered them a 'bit radical' for me.... now, like the angry protestors at the inception of the 'global economy concept', I see that they were totally right and a long way ahead of the game...

    Bring the global economy to heel - make it serve YOU and not itself - that's my advice to nations being robbed blind by it. NOBODY in his/her right mind would sign up to such a deal as those offered by 'globalists'...NOBODY!!
    floss
    4th Dec 2019
    2:46pm
    Why does the Liberal Party hate pensioners and working people after all they did vote them back into power.How stupid can some people be so now pay the price for your blunder.
    Rae
    5th Dec 2019
    6:15am
    They don't hate them floss. They just don't care about them. The Liberal Party was formed to stop Labor and the unions. Simple and very effective. They work for wealthy Australians and foreign multi nationals investing here. Hopefully picking up donations and lucrative jobs for mates and after their political stint is finished. It's not personal.

    Decades ago the wealthy companies were Australian owned but globalisation means the LNP now work for foreign entities. The aim is always to stop Labor though and keep the workforce in it's place.
    Arvo
    4th Dec 2019
    3:05pm
    Should Rental Assistance be reviewed urgently? Has it kept pace with the realities of rental costs?
    -Of course, it was reviewed recently for the September 2019 Rental Assistance adjustment and, in the wisdom of those experts, they determined that it was a great sacrifice to increase the Rental Assistance by 0.40 cents per week to $138 per fortnight. - The experts then went home to a roast lamb dinner , feeling very proud of themselves that they kept pace with the reality of rental costs.-
    SuziJ
    4th Dec 2019
    6:54pm
    I agree that rent assistance should be reviewed and urgently. It's a pittance if you have to pay your ever-increasing rent with no extra help. 40 cents per week is not even a drop in the ocean if your rent increases by over $10 per week and you're on Newstart (not that I'm on this payment), but it's still a very big difference between the pittance they give us and the harsh reality of renting. Rent Assistance has increased by $7.40 per fortnight since March 2017 - disgusting!

    Yet in the same period, our pensions have gone up $52.50 per fortnight, which is an average increase of $8.75 per fortnight. Most wages have gone up at least $40-50 per week in this time.

    There's no such thing as 'stagnant' wages. Most current awards have a yearly increase in the minimum pay rates. I know that the wages increase every year, as I used to do payroll, and had to keep the pay rates up to date.

    Currently an adult working at Level 3 under the Banking Finance & Insurance Award receives $911 per week, or $23.97 per hour (say a 25-29 year old). This $911 is way under what the base rate of the Age & DSP pension rates are. We receive less than 46.75% of this rate!

    For someone with my experience and qualifications would be receiving at least $995.50 per fortnight, which makes the current rate of pension 44.5% of the rate.
    Incognito
    4th Dec 2019
    7:02pm
    From everything I have heard wages are stagnating and have not risen much at all compared to inflation. Yes rents keep rising, my rent is going up $10 and only could get a six month lease and I have been here for 12 years but have seen rent increase more in the last few years than the whole of the 12 years I have been here. Mind you they wanted to increase it by $15 per week but I had to negotiate. Maybe why I only got a six month lease this time, I usually get 12 months and once I even got 2 year lease.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    7:59pm
    I'd like to take this opportunity to point out the pittance paid to our students, including their pittance of rental assistance... considering that education is supposed to be one of the underp0innings of a Future for this nation (etc - though one wonders given the reports that Australian standards are falling annually) - how is a serious student to exist, without family etc support, on that pittance?

    Again - this leads us inevitably to a Great Divide in this nation - between those with parents (I had none, BTW) who help them and support their studies up to and including paying fees etc - and those forced to do it all alone... the 'haves' v the 'have-nots' .... an a growing Divide it will be in the future.
    Incognito
    4th Dec 2019
    8:19pm
    Trebor the Government just does not care as long as their rich mates kids have education, and they allow paying students from overseas to fill up our Universities, and they take all the low paid hospitality jobs that are below the minimum wage. Kids from low income families have not a hope especially from rural areas where they have to pay for basic low or sub-standard accommodation as well.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    10:58pm
    Whitlam's visionary scheme was that able children from poor backgrounds could get a chance at a good education and the jobs that come with it... a way of evening out some of the very savage social and economic disadvantages of the past.

    We're talking about the difference between the rich man's son going to a boarding school and then on to university v the son of the itinerant seasonal shearer, whose horizons were extremely limited and whose education was limited to maybe 13-14 years of age.

    My father left school at fourteen (I think) - by contrast I FINISHED high school at fifteen and a half... top class... my father was forever behind the eight ball, and he was a senior officer in the fire brigades, because of his relative lack of education.

    Even though I was one of the top three IQs in my school, and finished at that early age - my chances of attending university were nil until the Whitlam scheme came in... and then I was tied to making a living... and times were different - a relatively uneducated but hard-working and practical man could earn better money than some office jerk... so many men, weighed down by responsibilities and being able to earn well as things WERE - did not take up the chance.

    This lead to many women taking that chance, and then with the following changes to our nation economically and socially - men were behind the eight ball forever... you can see the results here and now.... not least in the nonsensical elitism of the feminist brand...

    Now only a fortunate few can make good money without a piece of paper.... and as time goes by, that piece of paper is harder and harder to get for those without total support at home etc.

    My choices, being on my own in life from sixteen, were few... the Army paid better...
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    11:04pm
    Now we are seeing that vision of Whitlam going backwards year by year - with increasing fees and far too much being paid to university administrators and teachers etc...

    By contrast, Indian students pay no fees.... their education is free... ask me again why we are flooded by Indian doctors..... while many of our own will not take on extensive study because of the cost, and no student without support at home can take on long years of study such as medicine. My own two genius children are in that category, and are doing very well without it.... so far...

    (disclaimer:- my doctor is a Sri Lankan lady - I would not swap her for anyone at this time - I do not speak from prejudice or racism - but on facts)...
    Rae
    5th Dec 2019
    6:19am
    Exactly so TREBOR. I believe Whitlam was the last PM we had who cared about Australia and it's people.

    It's a pity his plan to buy the mines, gas fields, build the gas pipeline and set up an uranium industry were stopped by UK and US interests. We would have now been a very wealthy country like Norway.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    10:05am
    Amazingly, Rae (check me on this) current borrowings by governments here, indexed, are higher than the amount required by Whitlam's government under the Khemlani Affair... $300m I think it was... nowadays governments borrow many billions without a bat of an eyelid... and they do it every year.

    Reverting to what I said before - the effective interest rate in Singapore (a good yardstick) is 6.5-13% pa - governments could borrow from the trillions in The Trebor Scheme and the money would remain HERE.... and would contribute to declining future Social security demands on Budgets... while generating work and infrastructure for THIS nation.

    I guess that makes of me a 'national socialist' -just not a National Socialist... but many cannot see the difference... **rolls eyes**
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    12:10pm
    Rae, maybe that's what we need - a new version of Whitlam - to declare a National Emergency and take back ownership of our massive resources to benefit Australians!
    What a shocking bunch of sold-out politicians we have!
    Anonymous
    6th Dec 2019
    2:22am
    Seriously, George, Rae - looking back - $300m at the time was bargain basement for total ownership of resources - not this current government of two parties selling bits off to foreigners who do not pay their way.

    That Sovereign Fund - we find, we exploit, we sell etc and sometimes 'value add' by processing, those natural resources - could have been established and all Australians benefit from it.... now only a major revolution will achieve the same thing - but only in the right hands.... or only when the entire world economy collapses and we are thrown onto our own efforts again, as once built this nation....

    Home On the Sovereign Fund's Back!
    pedro the swift
    4th Dec 2019
    3:31pm
    So its a great thing that Centrelink "services" have been shipped to India instead of the US or elsewhere. Wow, no wonder the country is going down hill at a rapid rate.
    We now pay foreigners to over see our tax dollars and our internal pensioner data. Why can we not pay Australians to do this work? Can you imagine the chinese allowing foreigners to access internal data like this. They bitch just cos others critise their human rights record.
    For goodness sake, if any sensible politicians( I know, hard to find) are reading here, do something sensible and bring these sort of jobs onshore and not allow our private data into foreign hands. Better still start paying a universal pension regardless of assets and do away with centrelink crap. It will save taxpayers even more.
    And remember taxpayers have been paying a portion of their tax as a retirement fund till you decided to put it into consolidated revenue so don't call it "welfare".
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    12:30am
    Spot on comments, pedro! The Canberra asses have got it ALL wrong!

    Universal Age Pension is the answer, with NO Centrelink to worry about, otherwise Age Pensioners are going to suffer more, not less, with even lower quality services from India.
    floss
    4th Dec 2019
    3:51pm
    To bypass Australian workers and give their jobs to a Indian company is just plain crazy, it is so un Australian has our P.M. gone crazy or has he always been that way.For god sake wake up Australia.
    libsareliars
    4th Dec 2019
    4:41pm
    Our PM has always been crazy and dangerous floss!
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    8:02pm
    You beat me to it, libsareliars... I seriously wonder about his utter lack of depth in intellect...
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    10:07am
    Mrs Morrison's Fabulous Dancing Bear - FCS - he supports Cronulla!!
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    10:11am
    Australian workers don't like to do these jobs as they perceive them as too boring so they either import workers or get it done overseas now. This has been happening for over 30 years now.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    11:09am
    Seriously? A friend's cousin was a call centre manager for years, worked for Ansett, and then QANTAS - retrenched after years of loyal service - at her last job she was deemed by the whiz-kid 'management' (the only valid part of the term being man age since they age the 'men' at a huge rate) to 'not be productive enough....

    Now sits on the dole, all that experience etc wasted - and awaits retirement age....

    You reckon she wouldn't be first in line for a job answering queries? You reckon all those people who go through IT courses wouldn't give their mother's false teeth for a shot at a big time job like this?

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/young-and-out-australia-s-hidden-scourge-of-youth-unemployment-20180622-p4zn4k.html

    "Australia's jobless rate among people aged 15 to 24 has been hovering at around 12.5 per cent - more than double the general rate."

    "Indeed, Australia's underemployment rate among people aged 15 to 24 - that is, the proportion of workers who are employed, but are willing and able to work extra hours - is at close to a record high, of about 17 per cent. That's also a bit below a 2014 peak, but well above levels of the last recession at around 10 per cent."
    Incognito
    4th Dec 2019
    4:24pm
    It's a no brainer, rent assistance must rise, Newstart must rise and public housing needs an overhaul, too many people still living in public housing that no longer need it while others who need it miss out. We need more low cost housing solutions and hopefully a private company will do it because our Government could not care less.
    johnp
    4th Dec 2019
    4:50pm
    the messages on here make me feel nauseous in regards to the attitude of the current LNP govt to those on welfare !!
    Both LNP and Labor are like the nazis.
    The LNP got into power thru lying, cheating, bullying and conniving.
    Labor are like the bumbling guards in hogans heroes because they could not clearly explain their policies etc
    Incognito
    4th Dec 2019
    5:43pm
    They are both being swayed by those who make their donations.
    Paddington
    4th Dec 2019
    8:48pm
    I had no problem understanding Labor’s policies.
    On the other hand, all the LNP were missing in action. They were in bed with Palmer and Pauline in Qld in particular. They offered lies and distortions. They appealed to greed and fear like the franking credits that even people who had none would miss out on under Labor. Grandma would not afford xmas or birthday presents. No, I am not exaggerating as I have first hand witness statements.
    I suspect if we were voting this weekend there would be some changes.
    A heartless, brutal government is what we have now.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    10:12am
    Unfortunately, Paddo, with Labor there is always a serious suspicion of underlying policy thrusts, that they (like the LNP etc) do not speak of during an election campaign... if Labor could just divest itself of feminism and all the other minority group -isms, and focus on the real issues for AUSTRALIA and not select groups, i.e divest itself of politics pf division and policies of exclusion.... they might win an election.

    The electorate simply does not trust them and their never-ending focus on 'women, women, women' (just like the ABC - breathlessly awaiting an 'Australian Story' about some wonderful man etc....... sorry 'bout that, but it's the truth.

    Simple realities, kids - not bias or prejudice... and Labor will not form a proper government until they get back to solid realities... so we are stuck with the current loser lot... **weeps**
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    10:18am
    e.g. with an absurd claim for $290Bn by some Aboriginal group out West - who in the electorate - those taxpayers who will pay for any 'settlement' of this demand - trusts Labor in government to not just hand over a few lazy bill to this claim - which not only is an imposition on the taxpayers of this land, but also validates that claim and opens up the way for endless numbers of claims along the same lines?

    Who trusts Labor with that kind of thing? ...and look at the mad rush to insanity following the administrative closure of Ayers Rock (by a 'board' of 12 unelected swill appointed by the state/territory government) for self-repair from worn stone due to climbing - as opposed to the media driven rant that it was because it is a 'sacred site'...(BS). The local Aboriginals get nothing from this - and they remain mired in petrol sniffing and substance abuse, abuse sexual and physical, neglect of children, poor education and outcomes,lack of work, and all the other real problems...

    (Welcome to Around The World With Trebor)...
    SuziJ
    4th Dec 2019
    6:25pm
    I completely agree that in 'most' capital cities that rents are far too high for Newstart recipients to be able to afford, but when you go to the regional rural cities, that's a different story.

    Canberra's always been a very expensive rental market, so much so that my ex & I had to move from there over 9 years ago because of the overpriced rental market for a DSP and Carer. We now live in a rural city where rents are at least affordable, even for Newstart recipients.

    The main difference between Newstart and DSP/Age pension is the amount received. The Newstart is so much of a disgrace that those over 55, who have been made redundant and cannot get another job, are made to live on a pittance.

    Why should those 60+ have to live on this pittance when they have to wait for the Age pension to kick in? They should be paid the same as what the DSP & Age pensioners receive, so that when they do 'retire' and move to the Age pension, it's not so much of a shock.

    I've always advocated that the single pensioner should receive $100 and couples $75 each immediately, then make the March & September increases at least 10%. Then people can afford the increase in daily living expenses.

    I have no pity for those who 'have to' live in major cities just because they prefer to be there. The rural cities are always crying out for skilled trades persons & other qualified people.
    Incognito
    4th Dec 2019
    6:57pm
    I live rural and rent is not cheap, I think you may be talking about remote rural where there is no chance of work or assistance in anyway. And you cannot expect people to move away from family and friends and there is more support in cities from welfare organizations too.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    8:05pm
    Unfortunately, suzi, the reality behind that apparent contradiction is that the price of housing rises where the work is available - and anyone who deliberately makes a move to a quiet zone to escape this trap, is cut off Unemployment Benefits for moving to an area with no work.

    Catch-a 22 - they get-a you coming and they get-a you going! Same both-a way...
    sunnyOz
    5th Dec 2019
    12:35am
    Agree with you musicveg. I don't really get it when people say to move out rural for cheaper rents. lived in a country town 700kms out of Brisbane, and rents were only slightly cheaper. The town I lived in did have an airport, a hospital, and some businesses for job opportunities, but the over all lack of facilities and amenities soon make it not viable. No choice of power suppliers, so power bills extremely high. Something as simple as getting a service for a specific brand stove - guy had to come out 480 kms, wait a few weeks, and pay a small ransome. Even some medical treatments - needed to go to Brisbane. Recall for airbags - nearest was 480 kms away.
    Petrol dearer, one supermarket.. In the end, was cheaper to live in city suburb so was happy to move. Yes you could have found some cheaper towns to live in, but having to drive kms for basics, doesn't work out cheaper.
    shirboy
    4th Dec 2019
    6:37pm
    My late husband had a saying " You get what you vote for."
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    8:09pm
    In my case I get what I will not vote for - I haven't voted for any major party for years - ever since Labor sold out to the 'social science' crowd (look at them now), along with the ACTU doing the same.... and frankly LNP has never held the answers...

    The voting/thinking public does not win... without a new party...

    I'd create one - but I don't agree with the current handling of franked credits - it is absurd... and every retiree with any franked credits seems to think they give a free bonus... WRONG - if handled correctly and lawfully. They only give a free bonus to the parasites who have no need of the income..... and I'm afraid that is one compromise I cannot come at, given that proper handling of franked credits means they should be included wholly as part of shareholder income and treated as such... if anyone is getting benefit out of franked credits - which are advertised as 'tax effective' - they are not being handled properly.
    Captain
    6th Dec 2019
    6:40pm
    Trebor, again with the Franked Credits!!!

    Remember that pension recepients were to keep their credits, workers would keep their credits to offset tax, the rich could keep their credits to offset tax. The Self Funded Retirees with less than approx $1.6m (not really a lot these days), were the only people in Australia who would not keep their credits. Is that not discrimination?

    Either all lose the credits or none lose the credits. Crass stupidity on the behalf of Labor. Wait a minute, if all lose the credits then the pollies and their rich mates are down on their income - better make a change to policy.
    tango18
    4th Dec 2019
    9:47pm
    It says they won the contract for the new computer program, not that they would be running it through a new call centre. Would there be so much angst if IBM had won the bid? I think not.

    The real glaring gap for recipients of Newstart and the Aged Pension, is Rent Assistance (RA). When I moved into my current home in 2005, the rent was $130 pw and RA was approximately $51 pw. I am still in the same home and my rent is now $240 pw and RA is $69 pw. Over 14 years my rent has increased $110 pw, RA $18 pw.

    When I first received RA, I asked the basis for calculating the amount, and was told that the RA was intended to bring payments for private rental (for those eligible/waiting for Public Housing etc) into line with the amount paid by the lucky renters of State or Government Housing. At that time, I was paying roughly $80 pw out of my pension, the rest was RA. Now I pay $171 pw out of my pension.

    To me, this is the area which has not kept up - less public housing being built, private rentals skyrocketing, and RA increasing at a woeful pace.

    If they are serious about targeting homelessness, and won't build more affordable housing, then they have to review RA.
    Anonymous
    4th Dec 2019
    11:08pm
    Hmm - renters of public housing may be lucky in terms of their rental costs - but often there are huge social costs in those areas.

    Who in his/her right mind would want to live in a public housing high rise? Had me a girlfriend in one once - when I went to visit, she made sure I parked my car in a well-lit place and locked it solid.....

    I wouldn't live in one for all the tea in China...
    Incognito
    4th Dec 2019
    11:47pm
    That is exactly what I have been trying to point out too tango18, rent keeps rising heaps, but RA very little.
    Trebor, not all public housing is high rise, there are many people living in houses, units,townhouses, and flats on one level and some in nice areas.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    9:37am
    Equal applies to a large swathe of non high rise, veg...my sister lives in one - she has a manicured lawn etc - across the road is a temporary for rowdies, the grass is long enough to hide dead cars, and the tenants change every few months, often due to being booted or arrested..

    The problem with public housing estates is that the body controlling them can't 'discriminate'....

    My brother of course, with his serious 'issues', moved constantly due to endless arguments and fighting with neighbours - and eventually died of a heart attack while fighting a neighbour..

    Not for me, thanks... I've earned better and plan to keep it that way.
    tango18
    5th Dec 2019
    10:21am
    Yes, sometimes the neighbours are not especially desirable in public housing, but at least people have an affordable roof over their heads, and are not sleeping/living rough with all the problems/danger that can cause, particularly as the largest growing group of people in this situation are single women 55 and over.
    tango18
    5th Dec 2019
    10:21am
    Yes, sometimes the neighbours are not especially desirable in public housing, but at least people have an affordable roof over their heads, and are not sleeping/living rough with all the problems/danger that can cause, particularly as the largest growing group of people in this situation are single women 55 and over.
    Farside
    5th Dec 2019
    7:34pm
    I would like to point out that sometimes the neighbours are not especially desirable in private housing ... just saying.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    8:03pm
    True - I'm an animal lover, but if that f$#%in' dog runs through my garden again and knocks over the solar panels for the Xmas lights and breaks one .... I'll string a garotte where he runs... and put a sniper team on his boss...
    Rae
    5th Dec 2019
    5:57am
    Newstart is far too little now. The CPI needs to be fixed in my opinion as it is a poor index of real inflation for necessities.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    10:14am
    The problem in this country is that our standard of living is too high and it is very expensive to get anything done. If Newstart is increased then everything else will increase even more. Same with wages.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    10:41am
    You could always lead by example and show us how to live like an Asian peasant BB.. as I say about wonderful political ideas - "you first - we'll see how well it works for you, then decide"...

    You are arguing for a freeze on costs of living first to allow wages and unemployment benefits to catch up... you big old Socialist you....

    It isn't pay rises that drive costs of living - they follow cost of living rises - ergo - it is cost of living rises that drive wage demands etc...

    A proper regime of tax for companies etc would change that landscape...
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    12:17pm
    Trebor I already live like an Asian peasant as the two of us live on less than $20,000 a year now.
    Anonymous
    5th Dec 2019
    8:05pm
    Only on paper, BB - your costs are covered by your 'ventures' - otherwise you'd be receiving some part pension as well and wouldn't be behind... or you live Offshore and not here at all...
    JoJozep
    5th Dec 2019
    3:57pm
    Some will call me racist for saying the following, but will remain as impartial as possible.

    Having worked in various "House building" orientated government departments, I made the following observations. Providing housing for indigenous people, be it in Australia or Papua New Guinea showed up a marked difference in how local people cared for the government provided accommodation.

    I don't know which group came first, the New Guineans or Australian Aborigines, both I think descended from an ancient culture, many thousands of years ago. I supervised the building of new townships in PNG, complete with new housing, schools, hospitals, starting with serious jungle land. Everywhere I visited in PNG, from headhunting tribes in the Papua highlands to local fishermen in Buin, Kieta, Kavieng, Namatnai, Kimbe, Manus and others, the existing tribal huts were always in pristine condition, so much so that the total land owned by each tribesman/women was continuously swept every day by the local women, and all land looking like a manicured lawn. All indigenous housing was well maintained like new. This was in the late 60,s early 70's.

    A little later, in Australia, housing was being provided to indigenous Australians along the PNG model to settle outback areas. Within months, the newly erected housing in almost all communities, was not only unkempt but being trashed. Even today, I see pictures of aboriginal villages, where every house has two or three junk cars in the front, rusting away, children playing in the dust, house walls covered in graffiti, dogs running everywhere doing their business, crowds of younger unemployed people, drinking from paper bag covered wine casks (or sniffing petrol). I went into one house where I almost puked on entering. Once my eyes got used to the gloom, (the single globe was caked with flyshit), I noticed a dark colour along the passage way walls approximately 1 metre high above the floor. On closer examination, it was found to be human excrement the younger kids freely ran and squeezed against all walls in the house. Their parents couldn't care less.

    The contrast could not have been more stark. Now before I cast reflections on why this is so, to be fair it's time to examine life style. In PNG (60's-70's), local people owned land or belonged to clans who shared land, a very strong incentive to look after land and huts thereon, being a personal issue.

    In contrast, very little credence is given to Australian Aboriginals being a nomadic crowd, who for thousands of years, roamed the length and breadth of Australia (including Tasmania), hunting and fishing and living in temporary lean to's which they deserted in a week or two, as they only went to land where they could catch animals or fish for their livelihood. What did our "bright" missionaries and politicians do? Well they considered the white man's way was superior to Aboriginal culture, started an education process, demanding Aboriginals stay in one places, locking children up in dormitories, separating them from their parents, who needed to move around to find food, and housing was of little consequence.

    After years of applying the wrong living methods by state, federal and religious groups (till today I might add), let's look at why the Aboriginal populace is so tardy and couldn't care less about the "white man's housing". Firstly, the outlying aboriginal people have no work. Their inbuilt desire to move has never been addressed. Their personal view of living on the land and to roam the country at will wasn't going to hack it with Australian white landowners, so they were physically booted off their land.

    They show their defiance by thrashing anything the government does for them. The government pays lip service and the few political aboriginal elders have become accustomed to an easy lifestyle, totally remote from their ancestral heritage. So they toe the government line. In a way I'm totally behind the Aboriginals right to demand they live their own lifestyle, they should be granted rights under the constitution and be granted a free and non interfering lifestyle. It's a wonder mutton head doesn't consider them as alien to Australia and start sending them to the pacific islands in detention.
    Incognito
    5th Dec 2019
    4:18pm
    Interesting comments, but not all Indigenous people trash their houses, but we do not hear much of the about the ones who are doing well, caring for their houses and working in a lot of conservation and tourism. The success is when they are given the right to care for country. This gives them a purpose in life. Maybe the Government should have asked them what they wanted before giving them what they thought they needed. Also many communities do not have access to fresh wholefoods which does not help their situation.
    Incognito
    5th Dec 2019
    4:18pm
    Whoops meant to say, "we do not hear much about the ones that are doing well".
    Oldchick
    5th Dec 2019
    5:27pm
    So how much personal info is this great company going to on-sell to companies around their own country. We get enough of it happening now. Turn off your phones folks, we’re about to get bombarded
    tango18
    5th Dec 2019
    8:15pm
    Why would you say this? They bid on a contract to write and install an up to date computer program for Centrelink payments. They beat IBM and Accenture - would you be so worried if IBM had won? Nowhere does it say that they will be running the Centrelink payments, or call centres, or all the other things people have been agitated about in this thread.

    So many people here got off topic, which is the needed overhaul of our welfare system, particularly with regard to affordable housing.
    tango18
    5th Dec 2019
    8:15pm
    Why would you say this? They bid on a contract to write and install an up to date computer program for Centrelink payments. They beat IBM and Accenture - would you be so worried if IBM had won? Nowhere does it say that they will be running the Centrelink payments, or call centres, or all the other things people have been agitated about in this thread.

    So many people here got off topic, which is the needed overhaul of our welfare system, particularly with regard to affordable housing.
    JoJozep
    6th Dec 2019
    2:08pm
    Sorry, the response in emails was overwhelming, I will untick the box below.


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