Government pledges one-off $75 energy payment

The Coalition will offer one-off payments to nearly four million welfare recipients.

Government’s $75 energy handout

The Coalition announced on Sunday that it will offer one-off payments to nearly four million welfare recipients in Tuesday’s budget.

The payments – purportedly to cover energy bills – of $75 for singles and $125 for couples, will go to 2.4 million age pensioners, 744,000 disability pensioners, 280,000 carers, 242,000 single parents and 225,000 veterans and their dependents. The payments will cost $285 million.

The Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) has blasted the Coalition for excluding people on the unemployment benefit, Newstart, from the one-off payment while Labor leader Bill Shorten labelled it an “election con”.

The Treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, announced the one-off “energy assistance payment” on Sunday.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann told Sky News the energy payment “will give cost-of-living pressure relief to pensioners and eligible welfare recipients and it will help them meet the cost of their power bills”.

Mr Shorten told reporters in Melbourne that the payment – worth $1.45 a week – was “better than nothing, but it’s not an energy policy … it’s an election con”.

The Coalition announcement is in stark contrast to its bid to cut the energy supplement – a move it eventually had to abandon when it could not get the legislation passed through the Senate.

ACOSS chief executive Cassandra Goldie said: “This one-off payment excludes people on the lowest incomes and pales in comparison to the ongoing benefits to be reaped by those on high incomes from the Morrison government’s existing high-end tax cuts worth billions.”

Read more at The Guardian

What do you think of the Coalition’s one-off energy payment? Why is it for only one year?

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    Dotty
    1st Apr 2019
    10:32am
    Instead of this one off payment! Why has the Liberals not done the right thing and raise the Benefits by at least $10 a week over all the payments and put the Tax up on the big end of Town to cover these rises !
    Dotty
    MICK
    1st Apr 2019
    10:49am
    Its a blatant electioneering bribe Dotty. Shows the pits of this government's behaviour as it tries anything and everything to avoid being thrown out.
    I'm waiting for the smear against Shorten from the mainstream right wing media. It happened, as usual, in the NSW State election and I'd be surprised if the same propaganda media did not trot out something about Shorten. This is how they work and why they need to be out of government for a significant period of time.
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    11:11am
    Certainly a bribe Mick. But do not tell me the other mob would not do exactly the same. It has always been so - either you bribe them or you scare them. Remember Labor's Medicare scare? Almost worked.
    MICK
    1st Apr 2019
    11:14am
    I do Jim. It came on the heels of GetUp being hacked 2 weeks before the election. Of course nobody ever found out about that one but we all know where it came from.
    My take is there's a bit of pork barrelling and there's outright bribes. Frydenburg has stepped over this line but expect the real dirt to surface shortly before the election as it did with the NSW state election.
    thommo
    1st Apr 2019
    12:26pm
    Yes Dotty, what you say/describe actually sums up the LNP's philosophy and ideology very succinctly. All of their policies clearly lean to the higher earners and the big end of town...
    Australia is a rich country, where (it was reported last weekend) that 69 of Australia's millionaires paid no tax in 2017 (not even the medicare levy) and the majority of the big companies also pay no tax...
    And when we ask the govt to increase the age pension and the dole payments, our cigar smoking leaning politicians say they can't afford it....Well, we know why..It's because they give all the money to the rich and the big end of town, and bugger the rest of us...
    But we can teach these mongrels a lesson at the coming election...kick them out.
    Not a Bludger
    1st Apr 2019
    12:43pm
    Getup deserve to be hacked as they certainly do not come clean with the sources of their funding - no transparency with Getup.
    Except, of course, for the big kicker that Shorten gave Getup by thieving his union members’ funds.
    MICK
    1st Apr 2019
    12:53pm
    You would have be absolutely joking Bludger. The LNP is being funded by BACK DOOR money. It gets leaked now and then but the right wing media NEVER discusses or seeks out the criminals.
    I find it amusing when trolls call out GetUp and demand it is put out of action. The same calls NEVER come for right wing propaganda outlets like much of the media.

    Tell your BS to those who do not have the mental capacity to understand or the time to find out. Your post is the same deal as what happens before EVERY election from your side of politics. Have a look at the recent NSW state election. There for all to be seen!
    Seadove
    1st Apr 2019
    2:22pm
    And the IPA is a very good example of the agenda being pushed by LNP. They want to close everything in government hands and privatise it for their rich mates to buy and their backers are Murdoch and Gina Rinehart. The rubbish they trot out on the drum and Q&A make it very evident this is the LNP pig pen.
    Karl Marx
    1st Apr 2019
    3:15pm
    Not a Bludger, what absolute codswallop. Hacking any site is a federal criminal offence.
    Getup have full transparency of all the donations made
    GetUp!, which says it relies on small individual donations for its campaigns, has released figures on large donors since legal requirements from 2007.

    GetUp! ... GetUp is an independent, "issue-based" organisation. It advocates for progressive public policy change in Australia in the areas of the environment, economy, human rights and democracy. GetUp does not make financial donations to, or receive donations from, registered Australian political parties.
    Not a Bludger
    1st Apr 2019
    3:47pm
    SFR - Fact Check - Getup, by their own admission, is funded predominately from overseas sources (some from USA) and which they refuse to detail.
    No transparency at all at Getup, particularly when they are funding political candidates and parties.
    Karl Marx
    1st Apr 2019
    6:12pm
    Notabludger, fact check Getup complies with all laws on foreign donations since changes to the foreign donations bill came into play on 1 January.
    Wonder how much in foreign donations the LNP & the ALP have accepted over the years & never declared until legislation made it mandatory.

    David Crosbie, CEO of the Community Council Australia, said in comparison to the Liberal Party, GetUp was “incredibly transparent” about its funding sources and how it would be used.

    “They are saying exactly how much was given and how it will be used. The Liberal Party do not provide this level of disclosure even though they seek to govern Australia,” Crosbie told Pro Bono News.

    “That is why CCA supports stronger disclosure requirements on all political parties and associated entities.”

    He also said Senator Abetz and others were selective over who they criticised, which remained an issue in Australia.

    “One of the most influential figures in Australian politics is an American citizen based in the US who stands to make significant amounts of money if policies supportive of his business interests are pursued in Australia,” he said.

    “I do not see Senator Abetz and others complaining about foreign influence when it involves Rupert Murdoch.”

    Oosting added that in the 2017-18 financial year, less than 1.6 per cent of GetUp’s donations came from overseas.

    “Less than 1.1 per cent of donations to GetUp have come from overseas across GetUp’s entire 13 year history,” Oosting said.
    Misty
    2nd Apr 2019
    10:57am
    WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, Not a Bludger, I contacted Get Up and they said you are wrong, they have never received large donations from overseas.
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    1:34pm
    Mick says, correctly, that the handout is showing "the pits of this government's behaviour as it tries anything and everything to avoid being thrown out."

    What, then, were the pink batts construction of school halls at outrageous cost sagas if not exactly the same thing?

    Unless Scomo wakes up, Mick is backing a winner, Shorten will win the next election, his climate polices will lose him the one that follows when they turn into the greatest disaster for the Australian economy that has ever happened. And what will be the outcome for the climate? In the words of the Chief Scientist, "virtually nothing."

    As for the hacking of Getup, please change the record.

    Finally a fact check for Seadove who accuses the I.P.A.of wanting to close everything in government hands and privatise it for their rich mates to buy and their backers are Murdoch and Gina Rinehart."

    Please provide details of what that is in government hands does the I.P.A. want to privatise, other than the A.B.C.?
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    1:34pm
    Mick says, correctly, that the handout is showing "the pits of this government's behaviour as it tries anything and everything to avoid being thrown out."

    What, then, were the pink batts construction of school halls at outrageous cost sagas if not exactly the same thing?

    Unless Scomo wakes up, Mick is backing a winner, Shorten will win the next election, his climate polices will lose him the one that follows when they turn into the greatest disaster for the Australian economy that has ever happened. And what will be the outcome for the climate? In the words of the Chief Scientist, "virtually nothing."

    As for the hacking of Getup, please change the record.

    Finally a fact check for Seadove who accuses the I.P.A.of wanting to close everything in government hands and privatise it for their rich mates to buy and their backers are Murdoch and Gina Rinehart."

    Please provide details of what that is in government hands does the I.P.A. want to privatise, other than the A.B.C.?
    ozrog
    30th May 2019
    3:37pm
    All those that voted LNP deserve what they get. KPMG has recommended that the LNP look at Franking Credits and Negative gearing as Australia can not afford them. Sucked in.
    Misty
    30th May 2019
    11:35pm
    They were probably hoping Labor would win and then if they lost the next election the Coalition would keep both those policies in place, the money has to come from somewhere to run the country and with all the tax cuts everyone eligible will be getting they will be short of revebue.
    Concerned
    1st Apr 2019
    10:33am
    Obviously people on Newstart don't have power bills
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:17am
    Well observed. They are dining well on cake, I hear...
    libsareliars
    1st Apr 2019
    1:09pm
    Spot on Concerned - it's disgusting how they are treated isn't it?
    musicveg
    2nd Apr 2019
    2:24am
    Many of those on Newstart must have got cut off and are living without electricity, thats if they are lucky enough to have someone to live. There was something on TV the other night that cut offs because of unpaid bills have risen dramatically.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    1st Apr 2019
    10:40am
    Why is the government spending taxpayers' hard earned taxes to make up for:

    1. the failure of its encouragement to the state to reap massive benefits selling off of OUR resources, e.g., NSW Polls & Wires,
    2. the failure of the federal government to prevent/intervene in the massive gouging of power users since privatisation, and
    3. the fed's continuing failure to provide stability in the market with a future energy policy?

    Why?

    Because they are ONLY interested in their own pockets. There was the time when representing the people was a calling, now it's a career.

    Where's Madame Defarge when you need her. It's time for her to reconvene the 'knitting circle'!

    Guess the upcoming election will just have to be a suitable Guillotine!
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:22am
    Cash now - budget emergency the moment they get back in power. Watch Labor carry on about the unfunded promises and initiatives that this government has keep quiet about.

    Mind you - this 'government' is busy putting its mates into contracted positions on boards and commissions, from which they can influence and slow down changes if Labor takes the helm, and from which it would be punitive to oust them due to the nature of the contract drawn up. Like all these 'contracts' drawn up these days, with roads and such - they appoint some mate on a contract that says they'll get paid 2-3 years pay just to be booted out.

    Then when the incumbent party boots a contract (for a road or a commissioner or a public servant gig or whatever), the now Opposition screeches about fiscal irresponsiblity and throwing money away.

    Should be totally banned, and these clowns need to get on with managing the nation for its people, not for themselves.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:22am
    We're gonna need a bigger guillotine.
    Ahjay
    1st Apr 2019
    11:37am
    It's a bit like the investment market. If you invest using an investment advisor and are directed into a managed fund, if you get 50% of the total return after paying them and their "Helpers" their commissions, consider yourself lucky. The cream has been skimmed off the milk.
    When public utilities are sold off, the prices must rise to feed corporate greed, Probably account for up to 50% of what we pay.
    Don't expect any relief either as corporate donations to the major parties will take care of that. I can still remember when these payments would have been considered to be bribes.
    Karl Marx
    1st Apr 2019
    3:23pm
    Yes Trebor. It was successfully used on the rich, politicians & their supporters for keeping the poor poorer & the rich richer.

    1st Apr 2019
    10:59am
    This payment is almost an insult to SFR on just a little more than the pension. The other low income people and those on unemployment benifits are worse of than some pensioners. Why arnt you targeting the power companies they are making millions profit The government is to blame for selling of our power resources. Power and essential services should stay government owned instead of making the polies look good while their in power
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    11:07am
    Why don't marginal SFRs spend some of their money and get at least a pensioner's card? If you are not better off than a pensioner and you want to keep bragging rights about being an SFR you should not really complain about your situation. Work it out! The unemployed mostly cannot; they should certainly get more help as there are no jobs a lot of them can do.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:35am
    If you just miss out on part pension, you aren't that badly off.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    11:44am
    Problem is that power today is limited and that's the way the private power companies want it as they can then charge more. Need a few nuclear power stations to balance the load.
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    12:08pm
    Nuclear power is probably the cleanest power we can produce. The only problem we have is the disposal of spent fuel rods. Nobody seems to want them in their neighborhood. In my youth we sent ours to East Germany (Communist GDR then) paid them hard currency to bury them in deep disused mines. They are still down there.
    Lark Force
    1st Apr 2019
    12:54pm
    Nuclear power stations would handle the base load and provide power for Pumped Hydro.
    The Australian Conservatives advocate Nuclear Power stations. No problems with the 44 French Stations. Should be able to send spent rods to the sun to destroy them.
    Just don't let Private Companies own the Power Stations!
    Aussiefrog
    1st Apr 2019
    10:53pm
    Fair dinkum this payment is an insult for EVERYONE. $1.45/week!!!
    I'll take it to the local member and throw it at his feet week after week, we're not bloody beggars!
    Farside
    2nd Apr 2019
    1:10am
    Geezer, surely you jest - nobody is going to finance construction of one nuclear power station in Oz let alone a few. It might have been an option once but that ship sailed long ago and is no longer competitive. France is closing down 14 of its 58 stations in the next two decades and wants to reduce reliance to less than 50% of its needs. Proposed nuclear investments in the UK and US have been abandoned. Germany, Belgium, Spain and others have said they are phasing out nuclear power.

    The quick solution is to introduce a gas reservation policy so that more Australian gas is available to the local market. This would reduce the marginal cost to operate as well as the ability for gas generators to hold AEMO to ransom.
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    11:01am
    Obviously you cannot please everyone. Had a few drinks with SFRs yesterday just after the announcement was made about the give-aways. They were not pleased about missing out totally. I take what comes to me now. When Labor's Rudd handing the stuff out I missed out, was still in work, not a pensioner. Was not complaining then and now I am happy getting something.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    11:42am
    SFRs get nothing and get fleeced as well.
    Mindy
    1st Apr 2019
    11:10am
    Your lead-in e-mail states: 'Ben explains who will get a one-off energy payment...' The article does not do that. It is just a series of rambling quotes.

    Do DFRDB as veteran pensioners get this??
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:30am
    Veteran pensioners do.. if you are exclusively on super.. hmmm...
    Mindy
    1st Apr 2019
    11:48am
    Did some research - it is only veterans on DVA pensions who will get it. Those on COMSUPER pensions will not.

    Some veterans are more equal than others.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    12:41pm
    Veterans of ACTIVE service, Mindy - not Service pure. There is a difference, and rightly so.

    However - if and when I take up advocacy, I will be looking at installing a second/secondary syndrome - Post Service Separation Disorder - the result of the sudden change from an ordered lifestyle to a chaotic one, and often with little back-up. Suddenly thrust from being a rooster one minute into being a feather duster, and in a high unemployment regime as well.

    Takes quite a lot of adjustment, and needs to be addressed, not least by ensuring that there is ample support in finding work etc. I've known ex-Service people who've ended up in jail for attempting robberies etc - too proud to take the dole and unable to get a start, often for reasons of prejudice wrought by silly movies like Rambo about their
    'mental state'.
    Mindy
    1st Apr 2019
    1:30pm
    Some of us veterans of active service are not recognised and therefore just got COMSUPER and not DVA.

    All ex-Defence are now recognised as veterans by definition.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    3:56pm
    Hmm - yes - but there are still distinctions. You need to serve in a combat zone to be a Veteran, otherwise you are a veteran of service.

    I'm interested in your case, Mindy - I've noted 170-odd Viet Vets with no recognition - and only three wished to be excluded from the Nominal Roll. I'm certain that similar things could happen given the sometimes strange record-keeping. A number of medical records have gone missing.
    Anonymous
    3rd Apr 2019
    3:35pm
    I never expect any handouts and am never disappointed!
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:16am
    Posted elsewhere* on this yesterday. The failure of 'privatisation' to produce the purported lower prices is the root cause. Since GuvCo is responsible for that travesty, they can carry the can for it.

    $75 a fortnight to cover the increases, thanks...


    *elsewhere is not a Spanish curse, any more than innuendo is an Italian curse. Elsewhere is, however, a possible Spanish Brexit...
    mogo51
    1st Apr 2019
    11:19am
    Another disgraceful attempt to 'con' the lower end of town. What do they think $75 will do or $125 for couples? It will do nothing. Great decision to sell off electricity to the vultures years ago - another disgrace, now we reap the 'benefits'.
    Just a reason to get rid of both majors. Is there any politicians out there we can trust, or are they all blood sucking vampires?
    Theo1943
    1st Apr 2019
    11:24am
    Over the term of Parliament it is 48 cents a week for singles and 40 cents each for couples. That does not buy one unit of peak power in WA.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:31am
    Buys a bottle of gas for the heater..... two singles or one couple...
    Sceptic
    1st Apr 2019
    12:22pm
    Of course if it does nothing they can always refuse to take it.
    Anonymous
    3rd Apr 2019
    3:36pm
    if you think prices are bad now wait until bill gets in...you will need $500 a year in handouts to help with utility bills.
    Ahjay
    1st Apr 2019
    11:21am
    Not enough to make me forget about all the meddling with my Superannuation over the years and the lack of a living wage pension.
    It will not buy my vote and I will toss a coin to see which of the two major parties goes last on my ballot paper.

    Universal pension is the only fair solution and that is not even on the table.

    1st Apr 2019
    11:25am
    Sure we will take it and so we should but this is just political BS, won't win the bastards any votes, they need to fix the price of utilities PERMANENTLY
    Arjan
    1st Apr 2019
    11:28am
    Well, I guess every little bit helps but surely the government needs to get to the root of the problem - the power companies and their big profits. Whoever said privatising government utilities would make things cheaper is living in fairyland - same old story - privatising is lining the pockets of these companies. This government will do anything to trick gullible voters into keeping them in office. Really, it's hard to know who to vote for - all parties are tarred with the same brush these days - all talk, no action. And gone are the days when the Labor party looked after the workers.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    11:34am
    The media trotted out some big guns from the power companies yesterday, to tell us why they needed all that money.

    I know - to feed unnecessary shareholders and pay for duplicated boards, management and sales staff at exorbitant prices, particularly exorbitant for board members and for higher management these days. All overpaid to buggary, dedicated to the greed is good motive, and not worth their salt in terms of real management of operations, just good at reaping in the dollars.
    Captain
    1st Apr 2019
    1:53pm
    I campaigned for keeping the State Energy companies as assets owned by the people and not to be sold to private enterprise, unfortunately too many people saw it as a way to gain tax cuts and lower energy prices.

    Now thirty years later they are finding out that private means profits for the few at the expense of the many and want to moan about it. Get over it and devise a way to return the assets to those who still rightly own them - US.

    Your grand-parents, your parents and you paid for those utilities through our taxes and they have been sold by uncaring, unthinking politicans. The profits now being reaped are mainly going to European and Asian countries and they can hold us to ransom at any time, not only in power generation but also though the farm lands sold off to the foreign interests.

    Our politicans surely are the most forward thinking group in the world - ha ha.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    3:57pm
    Four reverse gears and one forward, as the old joke goes.
    Paddington
    1st Apr 2019
    11:32am
    It would be better that they addressed the real issue of climate change. People are now convinced that we have a real problem and the government is responding to this with a limited response to climate change. We don’t need more coal we need more solar and wind etc that will impact on reducing our damage to th environment.
    If some people are still sceptical they only need to look at the effect on the diversity of species. Bees and insects are crucial to our survival and when they go so do we.
    People are ready to vote on climate at long last.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    11:40am
    Only thing is about climate change is why we are here. Without it then the universe would not be as we know it.
    Sceptic
    1st Apr 2019
    12:27pm
    When will it get through to people that two-fifths of three-eighths is bugger all, and that is the effect of anything that Australia does to alleviate climate change? It is not a matter of believing in it or not. It is what it is, and there is nothing that Australian action can do anything about reducing it, except to damage our economy. It is far better to spend on adjustments to the way we live instead of virtue signalling by any party.
    BERRYUPSET
    1st Apr 2019
    2:09pm
    Nice comment PADDINGTON..Totally agree TOP PRIORITY FOR AGENDA AT SUMMITS..
    NO BUTS...Check out young GRETA THUNBERG (SWEDEN)google...I hate to think we have to have CATASTROPHIC - CATASTROPHES before its too late!:-((((((((((((
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    3:08pm
    Population increase is the culprit. Look at Africa: every year a few million more. Game reserves invaded, trees uprooted, every female means at least one pregnancy a year. And then we see photos of malnourished children with their faces full of flies with the caption "Send more money". So - our destruction of power plants and thereafter industry does not help one iota. As long as other countries keep increasing their populations to such a degree there is no hope for a realistic solution to climate change. And yes - I did live for 9 years in Africa, early 70s. Went back recently and it has gotten worse.
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    3:52pm
    Oh so we just sit back and do nothing Sceptic?, a nice attitude I must say, well children from over 50 countries don't believe in your thinking, that is why they marched for action against Climate Change a few weeks ago, someone has to make a stance so why shouldn't it be us? politicians and Big Business should take note, as the youth of today will be voting tomorrow.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    4:15pm
    China and India are the biggest population increasers annually - and are the biggest polluters.
    Triss
    1st Apr 2019
    6:34pm
    “Every female means at least one pregnancy a year” Cowboy Jim, how many pregnancies can one male sire?
    Controlling population is a good way to go if it’s done sensibly. China introduced a one child policy but so many females were aborted or killed because everyone wanted a boy that now they’re suffering from a severe lack of females.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    11:39am
    It would not matter how much those on welfare got it would never be enough.

    I just can't believe all the whinging going one here.
    Paddington
    1st Apr 2019
    11:57am
    Not fair OG!
    Unkind and patronising!
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    12:02pm
    OG - I am not whinging, and I just say thank you, even though I know it is a bribe. Sure, if you give some people twice as much they would still want more. Happy to get $125, makes up halfway what the health insurance premium has gone up by.
    Tom Tank
    1st Apr 2019
    12:07pm
    It is not so much whinging for whinging's sake but about the duplicity of our politicians. The LNP are particularly adept at election time hip pocket nerves attacks. The ALP are also guilty but given we are still bearing the brunt of the Howard Costello largesse to the upper middle class voters from the mining boom the LNP have to be first in line for suspect action.
    Tom Tank
    1st Apr 2019
    12:07pm
    It is not so much whinging for whinging's sake but about the duplicity of our politicians. The LNP are particularly adept at election time hip pocket nerves attacks. The ALP are also guilty but given we are still bearing the brunt of the Howard Costello largesse to the upper middle class voters from the mining boom the LNP have to be first in line for suspect action.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    12:07pm
    My health insurance didn't go up.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    12:07pm
    My health insurance didn't go up.
    older&wiser
    1st Apr 2019
    12:33pm
    Old Geezer - If your premium didn't go up - means you are getting less cover. If you say yours didn't go up (for exactly the same cover) - prove it. I have just spent weeks helping out seniors at a local Seniors Club - and not one single person has not had an increase. Many have increases as well as less items being dropped from their cover. The only way to get no increase was to go to a lower level of cover.
    And please don't insult me by saying I must have limited knowledge of this field. I do admit that I am not like you - an expert in all fields. But I have helped over the past few weeks as this is one area I have years of experience with.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    12:44pm
    *dusts off hands* I'll accept a second pension income for being full-time carer - might actually cover the costs.
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    3:53pm
    You probably haven't got any OG, that is why.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:25pm
    Nope my premium didn't go up and I am now paid up until August 2020.
    grumpyoldwoman
    2nd Apr 2019
    6:59pm
    OG you obviously don't have much to worry about accept getting responses from you posts that you do not read in the name of relevance before you send them. I for one will look out for your posts and avoid reading them for as long as I am subscribing to this website...........bye bye. P.S. YourLifeChoices management...is anyone out there keeping an eye out for inappropriate posts.....?????
    grumpyoldwoman
    2nd Apr 2019
    7:08pm
    Sorry people, my last post was meant to be posted in another conversation below......my mistake.....
    grumpyoldwoman
    1st Apr 2019
    11:50am
    I will be donating ours to the Smith Family to sponsor an australian child of school age. It will help him/her more than a one off payment to husband and I. We need LONG TERM solutions, not these election grabbing candy canes.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    12:03pm
    So you must be getting more welfare than you need then.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    12:45pm
    *shakes head in disbelief*

    Go back to your tax dodges, OG.
    Paddington
    1st Apr 2019
    12:47pm
    OG, people cannot win with you. She is donating hers and you still find fault.
    Of course firstly you need to vote LNP to even get it. It does not convince me lol.
    Triss
    1st Apr 2019
    6:44pm
    Hang on, O G, you must include yourself in your Uriah Heep comment as we’ve had plenty of postings from you saying how many folk you’ve given help to along the way.
    grumpyoldwoman
    2nd Apr 2019
    6:50pm
    Less than an hour to go..........will I be able to donate OG? Or perhaps you need it more?
    grumpyoldwoman
    2nd Apr 2019
    7:02pm
    OG you obviously don't have much to worry about accept getting responses from you posts that you do not read in the name of relevance before you send them. I for one will look out for your posts and avoid reading them for as long as I am subscribing to this website...........bye bye. P.S. YourLifeChoices management...is anyone out there keeping an eye out for inappropriate posts.....?????

    1st Apr 2019
    12:03pm
    What joke $75?????? .. wont' do shit.. At least Kevin Rudd have us $1000.00 to help us and it did really help me out a lot.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    12:04pm
    Enough is never enough for some people.
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    12:12pm
    Kevin's gift has been forgotten by today's complainers. From memory even dead people managed to get that $1000.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    12:14pm
    I thought you only got it if you paid tax.
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    3:56pm
    Don't tell me you didn't know that OG and I thought you knew everything.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:25pm
    I do and you didn't get that $1000 unless you had a taxable income.
    Misty
    2nd Apr 2019
    10:47am
    Then how come dead people got cheques?y they didn't pay any tax, another stuff up from Centrelink was it?.
    Farside
    2nd Apr 2019
    12:57pm
    some of us didn't get the $1000 because of late submission of tax returns ... such is life. The dead people who got cheques were lucky.
    KSS
    1st Apr 2019
    12:07pm
    Yet again many of you are in line for a cash benefit and still you whinge. Why can't you just say thank you and put the money towards the next quarterly bill? Yes its a one off payment, yes it would be nice if bills were reduced permanently (and don't think for a minute Mr Shorten will do it) but that is not going to happen in your lifetime. If you don't want the little bit of help (I thought every dollar counted) then either send it back or give it someone who will appreciate it more.

    Taking the money is not a commitment to vote so what exactly is your problem?
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    12:14pm
    Amen to that, KSS
    Mad as Hell
    1st Apr 2019
    12:23pm
    The LNP and Greens stole 330,000 part pensioners their assets with the 2017 changes to the Pensioner Assets Test under the guise of a budget emergency, what a pathetic excuse we have we have for a government.
    Pensioners deserve better, Australia deserves better.
    Captain
    1st Apr 2019
    2:01pm
    MAH, remember the other 93,000 who lost their pension altogether.
    Triss
    1st Apr 2019
    6:48pm
    And the $75 is returning a bit of the stolen cash so it’s not costing government or taxpayers anything.
    Captain
    2nd Apr 2019
    10:25am
    Trish, SFR's are not getting the $75.
    Thankful
    1st Apr 2019
    12:45pm
    In my 87 years I have made it a practice to live by a Bible quote ' In everything give thanks' and in spite of some pretty horrible situations I have found that life has been wonderful and I have always had enough.
    So come on I dare you to join me and view life this way, you'll be surprised the difference it makes.
    Paddington
    1st Apr 2019
    12:49pm
    Yep, agree!
    Celebrate what you have and not what you are missing!
    Franky
    1st Apr 2019
    12:54pm
    This is simply a cheap vote buying exercise from a government without vision and leadership. I think most people will see through this and won't be swayed in their voting intentions.
    gerry
    2nd Apr 2019
    11:18am
    only Trump has leadership,he,s got 130 million behind him a lot more than Alp and LNP
    gerry
    2nd Apr 2019
    11:18am
    only Trump has leadership,he,s got 130 million behind him a lot more than Alp and LNP
    Arvo
    1st Apr 2019
    1:02pm
    A piddly one-off crumb of $75 for single pensioners, this is an April Fools joke from a bunch of clowns. How on earth do they calculate that a single pensioner uses $50 less electricity/gas or both than a couple who will get $125? A couple,in one room and or in bed together during winter can generate more of their own body heat together than a single person can. So a couple doesn't use more heat energy than a single person. In fact a single person needs to use more heat energy to stay warm. It doesn't cost more in energy consumption to cook a dinner for two than for one.So, ironing for two and showers for two uses a bit more energy than a single person BUT it doesn't represent a $50 difference in consumption. The $75 for single pensioners is an insult. The whole notion that you might be able to buy votes with piddly crumb offers is an outrage.
    Why haven't these clowns gone to the energy providers and forced them provide essential energy power to pensioners, other welfare recipients and low income families at a constant low 5-year fixed standard rate per Kw and service charges?
    Now, that would be a 'london to a brick' vote winner.
    One more thing, stamp out the false, misleading and fraudulent 'on-time payment discounts'. Example, user was on 0.26 cents per Kw with a 16% on time payment discount, he asked for a better deal, he was offered a 12-month contract with a 25% discount. what he wasn't told was that his rate would be increased to 0.2996 cents per Kw. At the end of the day this 'better-deal' with 25% discount was costing the user 2.88% more! than his original deal.
    Analysis Charge$ Discount% Discount$ Actual cost$ Difference$
    Previous Deal 0.26 16.00% 0.0416 0.2184
    “New Better Deal” 0.2996 25.00% 0.0749 0.2247 0.0063
    = 2.88%= Higher cost for on-time payment!
    Worst still, at the end of the 12-month contract the user was left with a 0.2996 per Kw charge and his on-time payment discount slid down to 14%. Effectively costing 15.09% than the 25% deal and 17.97% than the original deal!!!
    Absolutely scandalous!!!
    libsareliars
    1st Apr 2019
    1:08pm
    Yes i agree with you Dotty and Mick - it's just another cynical election bribe. Please don't fall for it people.
    Anonymous
    3rd Apr 2019
    11:10am
    Don't fall for it. Vote Labor and watch the energy prices go through the roof completely due to their idiotic emissions policy. 40% rise in the short term is the prediction.

    Vote Labor and watch rents rise 20%

    Vote Labor and push another 400,000 self-funded retirees onto the age pension, and see 1 million opt out of private health because they can no longer afford it. And 1.1. million people reduce their annual spending by an average of $5000 a year - taking billions out of the economy and driving profits and tax revenue down and unemployment UP.

    Vote Labor and increase the percentage of retirees going onto the age pension annually by 15% because it's no longer viable to try to be self-funded unless you are rich.

    Yes, Libs are liars. But Labor are bigger liars, and much more dangerous. Problem is, they are much better at formulating lies that appeal to voters and that vast numbers don't have the smarts to see through.
    Karl Marx
    3rd Apr 2019
    11:21am
    Doom & gloom again O&W. the ALP aren't in government yet. I believe your crystal ball is broken because you never ever post anything with a positive note.
    I know you have posted that you're not but one would believe you're actually an employee of the LNP with your posts.
    Take a break for the next 3 months then you'll be able to post fact about the ALP.
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2019
    12:20pm
    Good comment SFR.
    Farside
    4th Apr 2019
    2:47pm
    O&W, brave calls there; perhaps if you use the break suggested by SFR to put in place some metrics and baselines so you can come back and smugly tell all you told us so, you will deserve it.

    – energy prices up 40%
    - rents to rise 20%
    - net movement of 400,000 SFRs onto pension
    - number of pensioners to increase additional 15%
    - 1 million drop in private health membership

    Of course if you are wrong ...
    libsareliars
    1st Apr 2019
    1:08pm
    Yes i agree with you Dotty and Mick - it's just another cynical election bribe. Please don't fall for it people.
    libsareliars
    1st Apr 2019
    1:08pm
    Yes i agree with you Dotty and Mick - it's just another cynical election bribe. Please don't fall for it people.
    DaveL
    1st Apr 2019
    1:22pm
    Again we are raiding the welfare of our grandchildren. Stop thinking about yourselves, and do something for Australia. Pay off the $365 billion debt. Don’t vote for LNP, Labor or the Greens. Remember none of these politicians believe in community standards when it comes to themselves.
    billy boy
    1st Apr 2019
    1:31pm
    I usually vote libs, but I believe a change in govt, is good, to filter out, any nasties, like corruption and promises, it should be a change af guard, everytime elections come around, promises need to be done, whilst in governments, not an elected, future promise, less words, more action is needed ;)
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:31pm
    ROFL
    BERRYUPSET
    1st Apr 2019
    2:01pm
    MMMMMMMMMMM!..I`LL TAKE IT (FOR WHAT IT IS)A DOWNRIGHT `OFFERING` PRE ELECTION...I` THINK/HOPE IT BACKFIRES ON EM!!
    GO ONE NATION....n-o-t!!!
    london
    1st Apr 2019
    2:04pm
    We think a discount of 50% on all Rates, Electricity,Gas Water would be a better alternative
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    3:18pm
    Why not 75 or 100%. Stay a little bit realistic in this discussion. There are a lot of employees in this industry.
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    4:00pm
    In your dreams maybe london, definitely not with this government.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    4:22pm
    I'll go for all services free for pensioners, part pensioners....
    floss
    1st Apr 2019
    2:06pm
    Beware of Geeks bearing gifts.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    4:22pm
    Beware of freaks bearing grift...
    Dave R
    1st Apr 2019
    2:19pm
    It's almost insulting, at least they could make the bribe worthwhile.
    But the real problem is high power costs which this government has done nothing to address.
    My baseball bat is ready for them this election.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:31pm
    Whinge, whinge, whinge......

    1st Apr 2019
    2:22pm
    Of course it's a bribe, this sort of thing invariably happens just before an election is called regardless of who is in government. On the other hand, the promises of an opposition are also bribes. How many times have we seen that the promises when an opposition becomes government cannot be met because the "budget is worse than we were led to believe". Then there are Howard's core promises and non-core promises. This current promise is also conditional on it passing the Senate. I usually ignore any promises and gratefully accept any handouts that get through.
    Karl Marx
    1st Apr 2019
    2:57pm
    LNP scam for votes
    Sundays
    1st Apr 2019
    2:59pm
    If Malcolm Turnbull hadn’t been deposed and was able to introduce the National Energy Guarantee, everyone’s power bill was meant to reduce, no need for cash handouts
    Cowboy Jim
    1st Apr 2019
    3:16pm
    And if you believe that you will go to Heaven. But before you go, take the cash!
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:30pm
    Ha ha
    Sundays
    1st Apr 2019
    6:44pm
    It won’t change my vote though. Time for a change
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    3:38pm
    Wouldn't matter what organisation it was SFR, Not a Bludger would be against anyone who doesn't support the Coalition not just Get Up, he doesn't have a go at News Corp or SKY NEWS does he, they can peddle whatever rubbish they like about the Opposition but no one takes them to task over that.
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    4:50pm
    Do you still watch that rubbish??
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    4:50pm
    Do you still watch that rubbish??
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    8:48pm
    Yes I just can't believe how biased that chanel is, Paul Murray, Chris Kenny , Bronwyn Bishop, Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones and Peta Credlin, just to name a few, never watch the Rowan Dean show Outsiders though, Coalition BS from start to finish. I only watch Sky if they have a balanced panel on their shows otherwise it get turned off. Do not get the News Corp papers any more, biased rubbish in the lot of them.
    Bruce
    1st Apr 2019
    3:49pm
    Anybody want to revert Abbott's kick in the guts. Increasing the 25 years to 35 years? Or is this just too much to hope for? Cos nobody cares about anyone else. Which is why govt. Gets away with crap.
    Bruce
    1st Apr 2019
    3:49pm
    Anybody want to revert Abbott's kick in the guts. Increasing the 25 years to 35 years? Or is this just too much to hope for? Cos nobody cares about anyone else. Which is why govt. Gets away with crap.
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    4:37pm
    I havnt got time for any party but::::
    Hitler bombed the hell out of me yet I managed to get a banana and choc bar every week but when Labour took over I never saw them again for 7 years
    They walked out on India and millions of Muslim and Hindus slaughtered each other
    They walked out on Africa and there is not one stable state
    remember the ground nut scheme ,it sent West Africa and UK broke
    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
    Give a man a rod and he will eat for a lifetime
    Give a man someone else's fish and he will vote Labor for ever

    I.m voting Labour cos I want to see the greens and anarchists crawl on their bellies,sweat in the summer and freeze in the winter,and to see the dole queues stretching for miles
    I,m hardy so will love the observation
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    8:50pm
    I think you mean Labor gerry, unless you are voting in the UK.
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    4:37pm
    I havnt got time for any party but::::
    Hitler bombed the hell out of me yet I managed to get a banana and choc bar every week but when Labour took over I never saw them again for 7 years
    They walked out on India and millions of Muslim and Hindus slaughtered each other
    They walked out on Africa and there is not one stable state
    remember the ground nut scheme ,it sent West Africa and UK broke
    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day
    Give a man a rod and he will eat for a lifetime
    Give a man someone else's fish and he will vote Labor for ever

    I.m voting Labour cos I want to see the greens and anarchists crawl on their bellies,sweat in the summer and freeze in the winter,and to see the dole queues stretching for miles
    I,m hardy so will love the observation
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:29pm
    I hope you will not be part of that queue.
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    4:48pm
    What we need is PUTIN THE GREAT or the DON to sort things out and that's what we will get
    What is Get up trying to achieve ? What are the Anarchists from the universities who contribute to the ""Conversation "trying to achieve ,they are so simple,

    CFMEU is waiting for you
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    4:48pm
    What we need is PUTIN THE GREAT or the DON to sort things out and that's what we will get
    What is Get up trying to achieve ? What are the Anarchists from the universities who contribute to the ""Conversation "trying to achieve ,they are so simple,

    CFMEU is waiting for you

    1st Apr 2019
    5:14pm
    What a joke! It's a pittance. These Lieberal-Hillbilly morons should never have privatized the sector, and need to re-regulate it to stop them gouging the public. Hopefully, the soon-to-be Labor government will do just that.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:28pm
    Whinge, whinge, whinge......
    JoJozep
    1st Apr 2019
    5:14pm
    Wow! here we go again.

    A one-off Payment of $75? Wouldn't pay for a bag of dog food. That aside, this ill-conceived plan is designed to catch the old pensioner that are out of the picture, the returned service veterans, the recipients on welfare, etc, but not the really poor, out of a job, first starters and otherwise trapped people in this ever-tightening noose of corporate greed by the big three power companies.

    People on this post fall into two camps, those making good money plus welfare and those struggling to survive as they have little income and are denied welfare payments.

    Anyone, stating the government is handing out a cash bonus to most recipients without stating in full all the restrictions is hiding some of the truth. This makes you, Josh Frydenberg a liar. To then to get the same spiel from Mathias Korman, adds insult to injury.
    Are we, like the Roman audiences of old at a lion kill of Christians, greedily expecting Nero to announce another cash splash, just before the election, to convince those dumb voter elements to vote LNP? I'm afraid, that's the world we live in.

    Those that are least affected and those with most to gain will argue anything is better than nothing- just look at some of these disgusting posts. The point is, where is the defender of basic rights. No, No, No as Amy would sing, The government is lubricated by big business and that's where their loyalties lie, bugger the non-influential poor.

    Have the LNP grossly misjudged the public voter? I bet they have. Soon you will see the private press fall into full repair damage mode and attack Bill Shorten personally and leave ScoMo free to spread his propaganda. Why, because the Australian Government is well oiled and funded by Murdoch and his cronies.

    It's time to wake up Australia! Make your vote count for your own good. No major party is perfect, and each has its pro's and cons, but honesty plays a big, big part in my mind, and the most honest party will get my vote, not the one that promises silly little cash payments.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:27pm
    It would not matter how much those on welfare got it would never be enough. Whinge, whinge, whinge.
    Old Geezer
    1st Apr 2019
    5:27pm
    Get rid of the dog and then you can pay your power bill instead.
    KSS
    1st Apr 2019
    6:13pm
    Its not meant to pay for dog food. its meant to go towards a power bill.

    Yes Amy sang 'No! No! No!' and look what happened to her.

    Glad to see you are 'woke'. Voting for the most honest party - hahahahahahahaha!
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    6:49pm
    Vote Labour ,vote Greens ,vote CFMEU 85% are on social security ,,,,Wgaes twice as high as US
    and 75% of the welfare bill is for diabetes
    ….Cut wages by half ,cut welfare by half and then we,d all have a job

    3 generations of dole bludgers now,,,,
    gerry
    1st Apr 2019
    6:49pm
    Vote Labour ,vote Greens ,vote CFMEU 85% are on social security ,,,,Wgaes twice as high as US
    and 75% of the welfare bill is for diabetes
    ….Cut wages by half ,cut welfare by half and then we,d all have a job

    3 generations of dole bludgers now,,,,
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    7:44pm
    I was looking forward to a trip to /Vegas with a bit of ready to spend ..... $75? Insult ....
    nan
    1st Apr 2019
    5:57pm
    I am so disappointed for the unemployed. A family member has not been able to get a job for the past two years after an accident at work. He's only in his 40's. He often sits in the dark. He doesn't eat well. We all help but that doesn't solve the problem. He needs a job. i sometimes wonder when we hear of suicide, how often the reason is caused by despair. I wonder how many turn to drug dealing to pay the rent.
    TREBOR
    1st Apr 2019
    7:46pm
    Yes, nan - if there's one word of warning it's "Don't fall through the cracks in any way." Once you're down and out human nature as personified by our modern society will eat you alive, not offer a helping hand...
    musicveg
    2nd Apr 2019
    2:46am
    Many here do not understand the plight of some unemployed people, they think they are all bludger's, but they are real people who often once had jobs and fulfilling lives. They end up spending all their savings, selling the car and living (sorry existing) from week to week. Newstart has been the same for 25 years, but look at prices rises of everything, especially rent and electricity.
    Chooky
    1st Apr 2019
    6:56pm
    Wow $75! When LNP have worked so hard to end the aged pension energy supplement they insult older people with loose change.
    How about this bunch actually DO SOMETHING about lowering power prices. They walked away from the NEG and have nothing else to offer us.
    Get rid of them.
    musicveg
    2nd Apr 2019
    2:47am
    Yes it certainly is loose change compared to MP's income, asset tested free pensions, and life long perks.
    Jtee
    1st Apr 2019
    8:25pm
    What a joke. Now they have money left over? What juggling of figures brought this about I wonder?

    They had to change the assets test in January 2017 because we (the old people) were running the country broke? How dare any working Australians work and save hard to give themselves a better retirement and then get old and expect a pension. No way - the Government reduces the pension so all of that saving is for nought and having retired, there is no way the loss can be made up.

    Now they give us a small amount and hope that we have forgotten how they affected our retirement plans.
    Misty
    1st Apr 2019
    8:57pm
    Probably taken from the NDIS, I just watched the 7.30 report on the ABC and the amount of cuts to the NDIS is unbelievable, hit the poor and vunerable seems to be this govt's agenda.
    BillF2
    1st Apr 2019
    11:58pm
    My wife and I will not say 'no' to the $125 freebie, as like many pensioners, we need the money. Of course it is 'pork barrelling' on the part of the government, but we are old enough and wise enough not to let it affect how we vote. What this payment shows is that the cost of utilities, indeed the cost of living, is far too high. However, after this payment has been made, the cost of electricity will remain the same, and nothing will change. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.
    The lesson to be learned from all these inducements is that those who profess to know how to govern the country, know absolutely nothing, and are only interested in maintaining their privileged positions by whatever means possible. And this applies to all political parties.
    musicveg
    2nd Apr 2019
    2:50am
    They might as well just given the money direct to the electricity companies, but I guess that would not look so good as giving one off payments which won't hardly make a dent on most people's quarterly bill's. Leaving Newstart recipients out is just plain mean and digging them further into hopelessness, despair and feeling marginalized.
    Snowflake
    2nd Apr 2019
    9:21am
    Another government con. I would have sooner seen the money go to the unemployed. They are really doing it tough and the government doesn't give a damn. This LIberal government is the worst I have seen in 45 years, a total disgrace. Just cast your minds back to the 2014 budget. Trouble is I haven't heard much from the Labour government about improving the lot of pensioners and the unemployed. But then politicians don't have to worry about that with their over the top benefits and pensions.
    ozirules
    2nd Apr 2019
    10:37am
    it's a band aid and a minute one at that to address a problem caused by government privatization in the first place. Get tough on power providers, stop the profits from selling our natural resources going overseas and make power companies accountable. Power bills may then be more affordable without government handouts diverting funds from other projects. It's not just the cost of ongoing power provision which is ridiculously high, the connection costs to a new house are unjustifiable.
    Pork barreling exercise, absolutely. It's a crying shame that whichever party wins the next election nothing will change. We will be governed by muppets or drongoes....what a choice.
    gerry
    2nd Apr 2019
    11:40am
    Russia has 500,000 soldiers ,why? because it solves the unemployment problem,, ,,In Afghanistan I saw them having to grow their own vegetables ,sow their socks and knit jumpers,,What a good solution to handle our unemployed ,,,It cost 1000au aday to keep our prisoners in jail and refugees in ozzie hotels
    In the 60s there were no fat people .The average housewife walked 8 miles aday
    Try walking to the shops ,throw away the phone, turn off the aircon, get rid of the car ,walk to Centrelink
    I live in Cairns and I walk and talk with millionaires out for a stroll, it costs us nothing,go hug a tree

    When Kerry Packer was asked what it was like to be a billionaire ,he replied ""Mate you can only watch one Tv at a time """

    Alexander the Great said to Diogenes who lived in a barrel 'For years you have given me good advice yet you never ask for any reward " Diogenes replied 'Well today I do " Alexander was delighted and asked what can I do for you???" and Diogenes said Please can you move to the right as you are between me and the sun!!!""
    Be a minimalist like me !!!!!
    gerry
    2nd Apr 2019
    11:40am
    Russia has 500,000 soldiers ,why? because it solves the unemployment problem,, ,,In Afghanistan I saw them having to grow their own vegetables ,sow their socks and knit jumpers,,What a good solution to handle our unemployed ,,,It cost 1000au aday to keep our prisoners in jail and refugees in ozzie hotels
    In the 60s there were no fat people .The average housewife walked 8 miles aday
    Try walking to the shops ,throw away the phone, turn off the aircon, get rid of the car ,walk to Centrelink
    I live in Cairns and I walk and talk with millionaires out for a stroll, it costs us nothing,go hug a tree

    When Kerry Packer was asked what it was like to be a billionaire ,he replied ""Mate you can only watch one Tv at a time """

    Alexander the Great said to Diogenes who lived in a barrel 'For years you have given me good advice yet you never ask for any reward " Diogenes replied 'Well today I do " Alexander was delighted and asked what can I do for you???" and Diogenes said Please can you move to the right as you are between me and the sun!!!""
    Be a minimalist like me !!!!!
    Farside
    2nd Apr 2019
    1:42pm
    Ozirules, it is a bandaid and less than 5% of average annual power charges but cannot blame the Feds for privatisation of the electricity generators; those were state government decisions. The Feds are only doing this because power prices is the latest whipping horse and they see it as a cheap vote buying exercise.
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    12:00pm
    To me this is as stupid as the pink batts saga. The government has no need to buy votes, all it needs to do is warn of the certain consequences of Labor's plans to reduce our emissions by 40%. The total cost of this madness is not known, what is known is what it will achieve. Let me quote the Chief Scientist:

    "Senator Ian Macdonald asked if the world was to reduce its carbon emissions by 1.3 per cent, which is approximately Australia’s rate of emissions, what impact would that make on the changing climate of the world. My response was that the impact would be virtually nothing."

    Yet, even though the complete elimination of all greenhouse gases from Australia - a total impossibility - would achieve virtually nothing, this is no excuse for doing nothing, we were told.

    Not only is the current one sided debate about climate change the greatest threat to Australia's economy that has ever been seen, it is also a threat to democracy, as is illustrated by the current legal action taken by Professor Peter Ridd for questioning the so-called science promoted by the university which employed him. In particular it should be noted that Ridd commented that he could afford to challenge the university and lose his job because he was close to retirement anyway. Clearly younger scientists are well aware that to go down the path taken by Peter Ridd and challenge so-called science with facts will only achieve the termination of their employment. So much for the lie that over 90% of scientists believe the current theories.
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    12:00pm
    To me this is as stupid as the pink batts saga. The government has no need to buy votes, all it needs to do is warn of the certain consequences of Labor's plans to reduce our emissions by 40%. The total cost of this madness is not known, what is known is what it will achieve. Let me quote the Chief Scientist:

    "Senator Ian Macdonald asked if the world was to reduce its carbon emissions by 1.3 per cent, which is approximately Australia’s rate of emissions, what impact would that make on the changing climate of the world. My response was that the impact would be virtually nothing."

    Yet, even though the complete elimination of all greenhouse gases from Australia - a total impossibility - would achieve virtually nothing, this is no excuse for doing nothing, we were told.

    Not only is the current one sided debate about climate change the greatest threat to Australia's economy that has ever been seen, it is also a threat to democracy, as is illustrated by the current legal action taken by Professor Peter Ridd for questioning the so-called science promoted by the university which employed him. In particular it should be noted that Ridd commented that he could afford to challenge the university and lose his job because he was close to retirement anyway. Clearly younger scientists are well aware that to go down the path taken by Peter Ridd and challenge so-called science with facts will only achieve the termination of their employment. So much for the lie that over 90% of scientists believe the current theories.
    Misty
    2nd Apr 2019
    3:29pm
    The biggest threat to the planet and our children and their children are the Climarte Change deniers, what point is there in business making profits if there are no people left to enjoy them, someone has to take a stand so why shouldn't it be us? The young people of Australia believe in Climate Change and they will certainly vote out any government who does not have a good Climate Policy so get used to it, that is the future all over the world, wether you like it or not.
    musicveg
    2nd Apr 2019
    4:28pm
    Even if it is not about climate change, not much is being said about the toxic emissions that threaten our health and our children's health. Australia is way behind on controlling emissions, 20 times more toxic than any other country.
    ozirules
    2nd Apr 2019
    5:01pm
    musicveg have you been to China, India and some of the eastern European countries where the air is so thick with pollution that you can see permanent haze? Which part of Australia is as polluted? Where do you get the 20 times more toxic from and is it based on pro rata of population or air quality measurement overall. That's a big claim you are making.
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    6:40pm
    The whole thing is a massive fraud, as time will tell. Simply judge the scientists by their record. Just a small number of the many examples available:

    In 1990 it was predicted that the Maldives would be under water in 10 years, followed by Tuvalu in the Pacific. Yet the Maldives are still well above water, still building infrastructure to lure in tourists and Tuvalu has grown.

    The construction of a dam near Brisbane was opposed because permanent droughts would ensure that it would never fill. It did, overflowed, and flooded Brisbane, more recently history has repeated itself at Townsville.

    The Arctic ice was going to disappear “next summer or the one after” has been modified to “within a few decades.” Current measurements used to demonstrate variations in the ice are based upon the period 1981 - 2010 which is meaningless, excluding periods when the ice was at a considerably lower level than in this period of time.

    The performance of the promoters of the global warming religion has been disgraceful. Professor Peter Ridd's employer, James Cook University attempted to muzzle him when he challenged the University's position in relation to the Barrier Reef, and when this failed, they fired him. Alarmingly, Ridd commented that he could afford to risk his employment because he was approaching retirement anyway, which raises the question of how many other scientists also disagree but remain silent to protect their employment?

    Then there is the matter of adjusting past temperature records downwards to “prove” that warming is real Rutherglen, for example, is a place where measurements have been recorded since 1913. After homogenization of data, a long term trend showing cooling of -35 deg. C became warming of +1.73 deg. C.

    Another avid promoter of the religion is David Suzuki who made an ass of himself on Q&A when he wanted to dispute a claim that global temperatures had remained flat for 15 years and was told that the information came from four datasets which are used by the IPCC. Suzuki said he had never heard of them, but repeated that he wanted politicians jailed for denying the science.

    Methods used to promote the global warming religion's beliefs amount to a serious threat to the democracy we fought two world wars to protect. Also, the method of promoting the theory is not science. Scientific method requires every possible effort to be made to disprove a hypothesis before it is accepted as scientific fact, and then the status is lost if subsequent knowledge disproves it. With global warming, only evidence which supports the theory is accepted, anything which contradicts is disregarded and its proponents silenced by any means possible.

    Musicveg wants to argue that Australia is not doing much about toxic emissions that “threaten our health.” Given that when asked what would be achieved if Australia reduced emissions to zero, the Chief Scientist answered “virtually nothing,” what positive contribution could Australia be reasonably expected to make?
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    6:43pm
    Correction to my previous post before my critics find it and then use it to disprove everything else I have written. The homogenization of the records at Rutherglen changed a long term trend of -0.35 deg C to a warming of +1.73 deg. C.
    musicveg
    2nd Apr 2019
    6:48pm
    https://www.theleader.com.au/story/5983985/power-stations-allowed-to-pollute-expert/?cs=9397

    Please read the article, maybe I did not word it properly but Australia does allow more toxins into the environment, the pollution in China is a condensed version, we do not see in Australia because our industries are more spread out.

    Maxx, I have read all your info many times on YLC, no need for me to read it again. I was merely saying we keep emitting toxic substances into the air, I am not interested in what it will do or not do to climate in this discussion.
    Misty
    2nd Apr 2019
    8:08pm
    And you believe all those reports maxchugg? more fool you, who knows how these tests and studies are carried out and reported on, who is funding these scientists, big business with an agenda of their own?, I would rather believe what I can see and live with every day and make up my own mind. Common sense surely says we cannot put all these toxins into the atmosphere without it affecting our climate, more cars on the road, boats, ships, aircraft, factories belching poisen, of course it must.
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    9:20pm
    Misty, I simply don't know what you are talking about in relation to me believing all those reports.

    Are you able to deny that it was predicted that the Maldives would be under water by 2000? The underwater cabinet meeting stunt to impress us that the drowning of the Maldives was our fault?

    Details of Peter Ridd's current legal action against his former employer are readily available on the internet and other media, so disbelieving is not possible to a reasonable person.

    The interview where the Chief Scientist commented upon the outcome of Australia totally eliminating the creation of greenhouse gases is also available on the internet, as also is the appearance of David Suzuki on Q&A.

    How about Tim Flannery's outlandish predictions, all of which failed?

    Finally you raise the red herring of who funds those who question the so-called science. The answer is virtually nobody. On the other hand, there is massive funding for the other side of the argument. Donald Trump is clamping down after identifying at least $22 billion per year in the United States alone.

    In the end, every point I raised is well documented, I accept them as fact. Common sense dictates that if you listen to one dud prediction after another from someone claiming expertise, at what point do you question their credibility.
    maxchugg
    2nd Apr 2019
    9:20pm
    Misty, I simply don't know what you are talking about in relation to me believing all those reports.

    Are you able to deny that it was predicted that the Maldives would be under water by 2000? The underwater cabinet meeting stunt to impress us that the drowning of the Maldives was our fault?

    Details of Peter Ridd's current legal action against his former employer are readily available on the internet and other media, so disbelieving is not possible to a reasonable person.

    The interview where the Chief Scientist commented upon the outcome of Australia totally eliminating the creation of greenhouse gases is also available on the internet, as also is the appearance of David Suzuki on Q&A.

    How about Tim Flannery's outlandish predictions, all of which failed?

    Finally you raise the red herring of who funds those who question the so-called science. The answer is virtually nobody. On the other hand, there is massive funding for the other side of the argument. Donald Trump is clamping down after identifying at least $22 billion per year in the United States alone.

    In the end, every point I raised is well documented, I accept them as fact. Common sense dictates that if you listen to one dud prediction after another from someone claiming expertise, at what point do you question their credibility.
    Misty
    2nd Apr 2019
    9:33pm
    The Chief Scientist can say what he likes, just like the long range weather predictions they are usually way out, like I said, I would rather believe my own eyes and the climate is certainly changing.
    maxchugg
    3rd Apr 2019
    11:13am
    Misty, when you say the climate is changing you are correct - climate change is an ever present reality. Ages ago there were farms in Greenland when the climate was in a warm phase. In the late 1800s it was so cold that the Thames would freeze solid at London and they held fairs on the ice.

    Russian scientists who have no access to the billions of dollars available to American "climate scientists" believe that we are approaching a period of global cooling, an opinion which is supported by cyclical patterns of climate over a few thousand years but based upon solar activity. No doubt there would be violent objections from the true believers including those who have recently changed their views from a couple of decades back when they too were warning of global cooling.

    My objection to the worshippers at the shrine of Al Gore and all of the pseudo scientists is that every prediction they have made with the help of their computer models has been so wrong they would have been better off guessing, that way, statistically, they would have been right about 50% of the time.

    My other objection is their viciousness with which they defend their positions such as what we see right now with Peter Ridd fighting James Cook University because he dared to present evidence which contradicts the university's beliefs about the effects of global warming on the Barrier Reef. As I mentioned, Ridd spoke out because he was approaching retirement and could afford to lose his job, raising the question of how many others of the same opinion are silenced to protect their employment.

    So much for the lie that over 90% of scientists believe the dogma, add to this the number of scientists who signed the Petition Project which the true believers have attempted to debunk by questioning the qualifications of those who signed the document. Yet in Australia nobody seems to have questioned the qualifications of mammologist Tim Flannery, or of zoologist David Suzuki, for example. The problem for everyone is that to be a climate scientist now, it is essential to be a true believer who clings doggedly to the faith even when there is a mass of evidence which is contradictory.

    Finally, with regard to weather forecasts which you deem to be unreliable, if it is not possible to accurately forecast the weather for a few days, how is it possible for computer models to forecast the weather for the next few decades?
    maxchugg
    3rd Apr 2019
    11:13am
    Misty, when you say the climate is changing you are correct - climate change is an ever present reality. Ages ago there were farms in Greenland when the climate was in a warm phase. In the late 1800s it was so cold that the Thames would freeze solid at London and they held fairs on the ice.

    Russian scientists who have no access to the billions of dollars available to American "climate scientists" believe that we are approaching a period of global cooling, an opinion which is supported by cyclical patterns of climate over a few thousand years but based upon solar activity. No doubt there would be violent objections from the true believers including those who have recently changed their views from a couple of decades back when they too were warning of global cooling.

    My objection to the worshippers at the shrine of Al Gore and all of the pseudo scientists is that every prediction they have made with the help of their computer models has been so wrong they would have been better off guessing, that way, statistically, they would have been right about 50% of the time.

    My other objection is their viciousness with which they defend their positions such as what we see right now with Peter Ridd fighting James Cook University because he dared to present evidence which contradicts the university's beliefs about the effects of global warming on the Barrier Reef. As I mentioned, Ridd spoke out because he was approaching retirement and could afford to lose his job, raising the question of how many others of the same opinion are silenced to protect their employment.

    So much for the lie that over 90% of scientists believe the dogma, add to this the number of scientists who signed the Petition Project which the true believers have attempted to debunk by questioning the qualifications of those who signed the document. Yet in Australia nobody seems to have questioned the qualifications of mammologist Tim Flannery, or of zoologist David Suzuki, for example. The problem for everyone is that to be a climate scientist now, it is essential to be a true believer who clings doggedly to the faith even when there is a mass of evidence which is contradictory.

    Finally, with regard to weather forecasts which you deem to be unreliable, if it is not possible to accurately forecast the weather for a few days, how is it possible for computer models to forecast the weather for the next few decades?
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2019
    12:27pm
    Exactly maxchugg that is why I say you also cannot believe what the Chief Scientist says, no tests are reliable are they, just lived experience. Everyday new reports come out debunking previus ones, just look at all the cancer scares, too much coffee will cause cancer, coffee is benificial for your health, Aspro is good forf heart health, no do not take Aspro for heart health and so it goes on.
    maxchugg
    3rd Apr 2019
    1:22pm
    Misty, do you see the problem with your statement of distrust in the Chief Scientist? It seems to me that he committed a momentary faux pas and spoke the truth, then quickly realized that he had committed an offence sufficiently serious to have his colleagues throw him under a bus, so came up with the story of how Andrew Bolt had put words in his mouth and waffled on about how just because there is nothing we can do to affect the climate, this is no excuse for doing nothing. So what do you do when there is nothing effective you can do?

    If there was anything that could be done to control the climate, the Chief Scientist of all people might reasonably be expected to know of it and its promotion would not only proceed apace, it would probably make him eligible to join the millionaires club along with Al Gore and others.

    If you check, you will find that currently Earth is not the only planet in our solar system to experience warming, even NASA admits that the polar icecaps on Mars are melting. This only leaves us with one conclusion, the Russian scientists are correct, global temperatures are controlled by solar activity.
    maxchugg
    3rd Apr 2019
    1:22pm
    Misty, do you see the problem with your statement of distrust in the Chief Scientist? It seems to me that he committed a momentary faux pas and spoke the truth, then quickly realized that he had committed an offence sufficiently serious to have his colleagues throw him under a bus, so came up with the story of how Andrew Bolt had put words in his mouth and waffled on about how just because there is nothing we can do to affect the climate, this is no excuse for doing nothing. So what do you do when there is nothing effective you can do?

    If there was anything that could be done to control the climate, the Chief Scientist of all people might reasonably be expected to know of it and its promotion would not only proceed apace, it would probably make him eligible to join the millionaires club along with Al Gore and others.

    If you check, you will find that currently Earth is not the only planet in our solar system to experience warming, even NASA admits that the polar icecaps on Mars are melting. This only leaves us with one conclusion, the Russian scientists are correct, global temperatures are controlled by solar activity.
    Dermot
    3rd Apr 2019
    12:45am
    Do Scummo and Frodo expect to buy the election with such a paltry amount? Judging by some of the comments, there may be enough idiots to vote for them !
    gerry
    3rd Apr 2019
    7:56am
    you will get your wish soon
    There are more bludgers than sensible voters now because they just fornicate more bludgers
    28,000 have been on newstart for more than 10 years

    The CFMEU will see that LIBs will get in in a few years time ...Socialism does not work eg Greece ,Italy, France and Venezuela
    gerry
    3rd Apr 2019
    7:56am
    you will get your wish soon
    There are more bludgers than sensible voters now because they just fornicate more bludgers
    28,000 have been on newstart for more than 10 years

    The CFMEU will see that LIBs will get in in a few years time ...Socialism does not work eg Greece ,Italy, France and Venezuela
    Anonymous
    3rd Apr 2019
    11:04am
    Sadly, when the Libs get back in, there will have been horrendous further damage to the economy. We are just seeing light, but watch Shorten blow it up.
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2019
    12:31pm
    What rubbish, do you not think Labor has learnt anything from past mistakes?, they know their future is on the line so I am sure they will not make the same mistakes as previous Labor govts, anyway time will tell won't it.
    Adrianus
    3rd Apr 2019
    1:41pm
    Misty, you're the only one I know who thinks Labor have learned anything which may be of value to us all. I'm just happy for them, off waging their war on plastic bags and doing deals with foreign car makers, buying batteries, playing with windmills etc. They could be doing more harmful things if we're stupid enough to give them any more power. Gosh, do you think they will re-introduce the cash for clunkers program or the set top box installation policy?
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2019
    5:18pm
    Then you haven't read many of the comments on this topic and other YOURLIFECHOICES topics Adrianus, because if you had you would see I am not the only one to think that.
    Adrianus
    3rd Apr 2019
    1:34pm
    I think the one off energy payment is a great idea. It may not sound like much but it shows the Government has an understanding of the hardships people may be facing.
    I would not be surprised if this government, when re-elected, will find a way to bring down electricity prices, allowing us oldies who swelter in summer heat to afford airconditioning without spending all day at the shopping centre.
    Adrianus
    3rd Apr 2019
    1:43pm
    Just heard Frydenberg say they are now including NewStart recipients for a gift of the one off energy supplement.
    Misty
    3rd Apr 2019
    5:11pm
    Yes Adrianus but only decided late last night to include them as they feared a backlash.
    EarthsConflict
    17th May 2019
    8:41am
    Well done to the Morrison government for this..will help with the electricity bill.
    Stupid get Up needs to be brought into line,talk about illegal things they have done,and who can trust the fools that run it...
    Least there is a rival in Advance AUSTRALIA...
    I would never support the stupid getup and Labor ever again..
    Karl Marx
    17th May 2019
    10:10am
    What illegal things have Get Up done, just another newbie troll for the LNP.
    musicveg
    18th May 2019
    12:49am
    Great another LNP troll, enjoy your measly $75 while your LNP are putting away millions into their own pockets.
    ozrog
    30th May 2019
    3:33pm
    And if you happen to be out of the country on the 1st of July you don't get it. Yes pensioners are allowed to go on holidays before anyone starts.


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