Age pensioners to receive a budget boost, minister confirms

There was no pension increase on 20 September, but a boost is expected in October.

Anne Ruston

Pensioners looking for a 20 September Age Pension increase, although forewarned, may have been disappointed yesterday. But news of a budget boost for pensioners should lift their spirits. 

The Minister for Social Services, Anne Ruston, said on the weekend that age pensioners can expect a cash boost in the October budget.

“Further support around our pensions is something that is contained in the budget,” Ms Ruston told The Sydney Morning Herald.

However, the minister declined to say what form the increase would take, but it will reportedly land in bank accounts within weeks.

There is speculation that it could come as a one-off payment or ongoing increase, although neither has been confirmed at this stage.

Those relying on unemployment benefits won’t be so lucky and will likely have to wait months to find out if the government will apply the coronavirus supplement to next year.

The base $550 fortnightly supplement applied in conjunction with the $560 per fortnight payment is due to end on 24 September, after which time a reduced supplement of $250 per fortnight will be paid until December.

Those awaiting the October Budget for news of a permanent increase to the base rate of the unemployment benefits look like they’ll have to wait until next year, if it happens at all.

Ms Ruston has indicated it was “highly likely” the supplement would be extended, but a decision would not be made until closer to Christmas.

While the Prime Minster and federal treasurer have assured pensioners of further support during the COVID-19 crisis, the Council on the Ageing (COTA) Australia has urged them to provide an extra $750 stimulus payment to prop up pensioners prior to the next indexation.

Pensioners have received two $750 stimulus payments this year.

“We urge the government to provide an additional $750 stimulus payment as part of your economic stimulus measures, for the benefit of both pensioners and the economy,” said COTA chief Ian Yates.

He said that despite inflation going backwards, pensioners were still facing a changed spending and pricing environment and, as a result, reduced purchasing power.

“During the COVID-19 pandemic period prices affecting pensioners have fluctuated for a variety of reasons,” Mr Yates wrote in a letter to Ms Ruston in August.

“The impact of increased costs has been compounded by a reduced number of ‘specials’ or ‘discounts’ to the ticket price for many food items, and reduced access to ‘specials’ by cost-conscious pensioners when they are following government advice to stay at home and shop from home.

“In doing so, they have also incurred the additional costs of home delivery. While the CPI has gone down because of the impact of items like childcare this does not help age pensioners.”

Mr Yates said the advice against using public transport was also pushing up the cost of living.

“There are range of other pressures on low income people in this pandemic, such as transport costs when it’s not safe to travel on public transport. Pensioners live very close to the poverty line, and in private rental, below it,” he added.

“While the two previous $750 payments have been very welcome, pensioners have ended up with less income in this period than people on the increased level of Jobseeker.”

Anglicare has also joined the chorus calling for more support for pensioners, quoting its own research on housing affordability as a case for permanent increases to pensions and unemployment payments, according to a Yahoo Finance report.

It found that of nearly 77,000 rental listings across the country, only a small portion were affordable for pensioners.

“Older people and people with disability are at greater risk during this pandemic. But instead of getting more support, they’ve been left behind,” said Anglicare Australia executive director Kasy Chambers.

“Our Rental Affordability Update shows that an age pensioner can afford 0.8 per cent of rental listings across Australia. That’s even fewer than our last snapshot in March. Disability Support Pensioners face an even tougher situation. They can afford just 0.3 per cent.”

What form would you prefer the pension boost to take? In which areas would you like to see the government invest as part of a COVID recovery plan? Healthcare? Aged care? Public housing? Why not share your thoughts in the comments?

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    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    9:41am
    These payments need to be targeted, not available to all people receiving a Pension.
    jaycee1
    21st Sep 2020
    10:55am
    While I agree with you that everyone should get an increase, with this government [or any government] I wouldn't think it will be more than the price of one coffee a fortnight.
    Paddington
    21st Sep 2020
    10:57am
    Yes, it needs to go to the ones who will spend it and some are already well off. Maybe prioritise renting pensioners and those with no other income or super. I know some of both type. It would be hard to judge though.
    leek
    21st Sep 2020
    10:58am
    The pension covers various payments. The Aged pension is by far the largest group, I think followed by Disability Support pension, then the Carers Payment, and I think there is a Single parents payment which is the same rate as the "pension", but not sure. All "pensioners" are doing it tough. Not sure you can target one group.
    Horace Cope
    21st Sep 2020
    11:37am
    I think you will find that payments are already targetted, McDaddy, it's called a means test. I don't understand which group of pensioners you would choose to exclude nor the criteria you think would make such an exclusion fair.
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    11:48am
    Horace Cope I would start by giving it to max rate Pensioners paying rent and taper down to nil if you receive more than say 50% of the max rate.
    Sundays
    21st Sep 2020
    1:04pm
    McDaddy, your proposal only makes sense if the money is paid as a lump sum. Because, yes Part Pensioner couples with incomes over $60k have already received $3,000. Most unfair if it is a pension increase however, as there is already a formula in place for part Pensioners. Rent assistance needs to be looked at though.
    aussie
    21st Sep 2020
    10:55am
    This information states that "inflation is going backwards", I have not noticed this;in fact what I have noticed prices on basic groceries have risen as have fruit and veg and meat .
    Greg
    21st Sep 2020
    11:36am
    I haven't really noticed much, if any, increases, in fact there's so many half price specials that come around ever few weeks between Coles and Woollies that I've been spending less on food this year generally (apart from at the Covid high). Together with the reduction in fuel prices, cheaper insurance by shopping around, same with electricity it's been a good year money wise.
    Arvo
    21st Sep 2020
    1:37pm
    "half price" for junk, rubbish, out of date or lesser quantity in a pack....or the opposite, less in the pack at a higher price. There's always a marketing of food quality, price and quantity deception.
    Cost of food has risen, same groceries you use to buy collectively for $30 now cost $50. Aldi, Coles...Woollies and IGA are the most expensive.
    Mariner
    21st Sep 2020
    2:34pm
    Do not think it's junk or rubbish - however there is a great emphasis on sugary treats, chocolates and salted chips on special. I wont buy that but I still like meat and fish, the first one has gone up and the latter is stable and I suppose better for my health.
    My bills have gone up in insurance premiums (renters do not worry about that apart from personal insurance like contents and health).
    But whatever comes our way I shall take, not complaining if it does come to nothing. Maybe part pensioners should not get anything but do you want them to upgrade their homes and cars just to qualify?
    DanielTech
    21st Sep 2020
    2:51pm
    I agree. We have strongly noticed that we have been spending much more than usual on essential items like food, transport, medication and other essential items. The $3,000 that we received in the covid booster payments went quickly, but did save the day for us. Another payment will go almost as quickly as it comes in. My main beef is with the CPI, which doesn't cover everything that is essential for us to get by, because we have health issues, which cost us more than usual to ensure our continued well being. I dare say that there are a lot of people who are in a much more worse position than we are, so how are they going to survive?
    john
    21st Sep 2020
    5:12pm
    Well costs of groceries , yes they still cost around the same, as for Petrol that went down ,BUT!!! In a Puma service station the other day, on last Monday 14/09 we got fuel for 97.9 cents PL.
    driving home past the servo, the next day the Tues 15/09 that 97.9 had become 137.9 cents PL.
    If you buy 50 litres Monday you'd pay $48.95, If you buy your fuel the next day, you pay for the same fuel, $68.95! Overnight, this is absolute truth , it happened in WA this last week to my wife and myself , driving in our suburb. FACT.
    Now if thats not gouging what is? Who ever is doing the gouging, whether fuel co's or the Federal government , isn't it time that something was done to explain why, this is not the first experience.
    I 've seen petrol prices change overnight from anywhere between 10 cents and 50 cents, yes OVERNIGHT!
    And we are talking about inflation? Then we talk about shopping for groceries?
    No one knows how ripped of or how lucky they are , and that is a problem in itself .
    But if you are at the end of the cash leash each week in a country like Australia, something is dreadfully wrong! And $20 bucks is nothing to some , everything to others.

    And this is nothinjg to do with COVID19 these kinds of rip offs and meagre pensions and fifty million hoops to jump through to just survive, well this is not the lucky country, but we're luckier than others, I guess thats why we still allow drongos into state parliaments to become Premiers too.
    Pass the Ductape
    22nd Sep 2020
    6:39am
    Got it in one Arvo - despite what the other posters have written.
    Youngagain
    21st Sep 2020
    10:59am
    Won't help me get by as a self-funded retiree on way less income than a pensioner, with no concessions or benefits. If it is an increase, it might help me down the line when my savings are gone and I qualify for a pension. Stupid of me to save for retirement. Should have given it all to my kids before turning 60. Now only the taxpayer gains from all my hard work and frugal living.
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    11:18am
    Maybe you should get some advice if you are having trouble getting a rate of return that seems poorer than Pensioner. Or do you want to live life and leave all your capital intact for the kids?
    Lescol
    21st Sep 2020
    11:19am
    Yes & I'm in the same situation as you youngagain BUT I would note, the gov cant control me & for that reason alone, its pain I gladly bear.
    Greg
    21st Sep 2020
    11:32am
    No it won't help you because you don't need the help - if you're self funded you must have ample assets to live off through interest/dividends/rent or whatever.

    Draw down the SMALL amount required to offset any loss you have had from reduced returns.
    Karl Marx
    21st Sep 2020
    1:20pm
    Youngagain, you must be asset rich not to receive at least a part pension of a $1 if you don't even qualify for concessions or benefits yet you cry poor with less income than a pensioner. About time you stopped crying poor & be thankful & happy you are a self funded retiree, otherwise draw down on your assets to the point that you are under the maximum asset allowable which is currently $583,000 for a single or just over $1 million for a couple.
    Wish I had over $583,000 in assets
    Sundays
    21st Sep 2020
    1:36pm
    Are you suggesting that self funded retirees should receive help from the Government? If you don’t even get the health care card, then you are doing OK, or need to rearrange your finances. Complaining won’t help.
    dabi56
    21st Sep 2020
    2:45pm
    I am in the same boat as you Youngagain. Get nothing saved to much. I just wish the Government would send me a nice ThankYou card or maybe a bottle of wine at Christmas.
    Dancer
    21st Sep 2020
    4:18pm
    I, as you say, you are getting less than age pension (as a self-funded retiree) you should be able to get a pension top-up - have you enquired? Then you will probably be considerably better off than age pensioners because as far as I am aware you can have approx. $2,000 income/fortnight and still get a part pension!
    Skiing
    21st Sep 2020
    5:40pm
    The good thing about being self funded Is you have choices. You can draw down on capital, rearrange assets, take more or less risk etc. I feel for the full Age Pensioners in private rental with next to no assets. I bet they wouldn’t mind swapping positions.
    Sundays
    21st Sep 2020
    5:47pm
    Dancer, you are tested on either Assets worth less than $876,500 for a home owning couple, or income,of $3,163 per fortnight whichever is greater. If you have assets you can’t easily sell it could be a problem but good financial advice is key
    Youngagain
    22nd Sep 2020
    4:27pm
    I have sought financial advice, and from Centrelink also - whose FIO confirmed that the average rate of return on investment is now well below 5%. On $900,000, that translates to less than $45,000 pa. Pensioner couples receive around $40,000 pa when concessions and benefits are counted. It doesn't take much loss for an SFR couple to fall well below that income level.

    Of course I can spend up big and claim a part pension, and in fact I'm doing that. But I consider it absurd that the government encourages and rewards that behaviour instead of rewarding saving.

    Dancer, if I had enough income to be exempted from the pension on the basis of income (over $3000 per fortnight!!!) I'd be dancing in the streets. I consider it patently unfair that someone with that much income can get a part pension, but someone with an income of less than the OAP has to drain their hard-won savings until they can get a part pension. The system stinks. But if I play it, I'll eventually end up with $60,000 a year from a part pension and return on investments combined. How stupid is a government that allows that situation to develop?
    Stone the Crows
    21st Sep 2020
    11:03am
    Yes Aussie where is the backward trend to inflation .Is it all in their minds ,Most of this meaningless talk coming out of Canberra does not affect nor is relevant to us normal citizens.
    And when has it stopped prices going up .I have stopped shopping in certain stores because they have become to expensive
    Horace Cope
    21st Sep 2020
    11:22am
    "What form would you prefer the pension boost to take? In which areas would you like to see the government invest as part of a COVID recovery plan? Healthcare? Aged care? Public housing? Why not share your thoughts in the comments?"

    I'd prefer an increase of an average CPI over the past 5 years as this will allow future increase to be on the September half year not the March 2020 figure.

    To me the glaring problem is public housing and this is the area that needs more support. We read in this forum, on a regular basis, about the plight of age pension recipients who are renters and are being forced to commit a high percentage of their pension on rent. Traditionally, public housing is a state matter but the federal government can increase funding to the states with the proviso that all of the increase is to go to public housing. It should also be a condition that no administration costs can be deducted from the additional funding.
    mitch
    22nd Sep 2020
    1:03am
    public housing in S.A not only get cheap rent but the govt here has installed free solar power with battery back up for housing trust tennants and the majority of people who live in them are single parents.They also got the extra fortnighly stimulous payments and the $700 cost of living concession yet they are supposed to be regulated by the C.P.I.like all pensioners .Why are they treated different than the rest of the pensioners Does it cost more for a mother and child than a married couple.I doubt it.IFthe cost of living has gone down %3 then why do they get 3 times as much as the disabled pensioners and carers{$215}
    Nan Norma
    21st Sep 2020
    11:27am
    I think it would be a good idea to increase the carers allowance. The government wants people to age at home but that often means more help needed. The amount paid to a carer is very small. If the carer is a partner they are just grateful for the extra income but for a some one else is a dismal amount for the service they give.
    Marigold
    21st Sep 2020
    12:54pm
    I agree. Carer's are very overlooked yet what they do is 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. Some have good support systems in place eg extended family who are willing and able to help or accessible volunteer services, but not all. Carers are amazing.
    Angie
    21st Sep 2020
    11:29am
    I am 62 and on disability we did not get a rise but apparently are not getting extra money in the next couple of weeks..
    SuziJ
    21st Sep 2020
    11:30am
    Give us an increase in the Rent Assistance - $139.60 per fortnight may be OK for those paying $360 a fortnight, but the higher the rent, the bigger chunk out of our meagre pension we have to pay. It's not OK for us to have to pay $400 per fortnight just to live in decent accommodation.

    The Federal and NSW governments 'should' have money to be able to build enough public housing for those with a disability, especially those of us 55+, and more than 2 bedrooms so that if you have a carer, they can 'live in', too. I've yet to see much where I live, and there's not much where I want to move to, just to be closer to family.
    Wendy HK
    21st Sep 2020
    5:40pm
    Yes, you can't rent much at $360 p/f.
    Rent is the biggest killer for us - it isn't going down any time soon either.
    Pass the Ductape
    22nd Sep 2020
    6:44am
    Quite right Wendy! And if there's a way to get away with it - you'll find the rent going up if the owner of the establishment think's you might be getting a little extra.
    patti
    21st Sep 2020
    11:32am
    I get that renting pensioners are in need of assistance. But so are those who rely solely on the age pension, and are still paying a mortgage. There is no help for them, unlike renters who are entitled to a rent assistance payment, although small, it's better than no help at all. Another lump sum would be useful also as we are more likely to spend it within the economy.
    Greg
    21st Sep 2020
    11:38am
    It's sad that you still have a mortgage when retired - no chance of downsizing and/or moving elsewhere and being mortgage free?
    Cassius
    21st Sep 2020
    11:45am
    Never understood why you can rent assistance to pay off someone elses mortgage but not your own
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    12:34pm
    ITis the same as always the govt looks after the rich,Look how the govt looked after companies who are now bragging how much profit they are making.One company boast $16 million dollars profit of which $12million of the profit was given by the govt,Come election time any one who votes for this govt needs there head read .THISgovt is buying votes by paying everyone except pensioners.What other reason would they jack up there wages again.By the way in the last 12 years politicians have increased there pay by %50 pensioners %18 and newstart %100
    ozjames70
    21st Sep 2020
    3:59pm
    Totally agree Patti. There are those that suggest we sell up move away and live cut-off from the connections we've made during our lives, but they are not realistic. To downsize where we are is just not realistic and would entail moving into places with poorer access than we currently have to everything. We've looked. As homeowners with a mortgage, we'd have to downsize to a hovel and that won't be happening.
    I've always found it difficult to understood why the government will pay my neighbor rent assistance to pay off someone else's mortgage but not help owners who want to live in their own homes. We don't even get support for changes to make changes to make our homes more aged-friendly. Oh that's right, the government only gives money to wealthy property owners (and I'm not talking about normal mom and pop investors striving to be self-funded retirees), but large portfolio property owners who get payments hand over fist.
    We can't do anything with our mortgages as banks won't lend when your income is the OAP. Maintenance and insurance costs are escalating, as is almost every cost we have. Yes, childcare, school fees and other costs went down, but few of us pensioners use these. Yes, travel costs went down, but not for most pensioners, who already use their vehicles little, so did not experience considerably reduced fuel bills and other vehicle expenses. Most of us are not big users of restaurants, clubs or pubs and our food bills have certainly increased.
    If we moved to cheaper housing areas as the government has suggested we should, we won't have easy access to services (so our costs will increase), we won't be close to friends (so we'll suffer mental health issues due to loneliness) and we'll have less contact with our children and grandchildren who work (and would struggle to visit as often (more loneliness and health issues).
    Having lived in our area for nearly 70 years, moving away would be a death penalty: oh yes, this government who want death taxes from the aged would like that. They can create a new tax source so they can give their business colleagues more tax cuts.
    Doesn't matter who we vote for. They are all crooks living out of the government bucket at the expense of the real people. In the mean time, to break up the pensioner vote, the play self-funded retirees off against those who believed the rhetoric of an OAP for all pegged to the adult male wage.
    All retirees should get the OAP. We should all do a tax return and those who have income above the OAP would pay tax. The system works a treat. Just ask any Kiwi. But of course we'd also need to look at the very generous politician's pension.
    Looking at what our politicians are doing to the country, I wouldn't blame everyone for saying live to the max, don't save and don't worry about your retirement (if you ever can). The government will keep selling the country to anyone with money for their endeavors and will continue to pillage the pockets of average Australians. These same people invest in the companies and countries they're supporting through their family trusts, and keep supporting the big end of town so they get cushy jobs in their retirement. They have retirement programs that allow them to earn without impacting their pensions and other perks, some of which they use to earn even more.
    This is the start of chaos. Maybe the pollies should look at some of the revolutions that happened in the past when the wealthy and 'in-the-know' lost touch with real people. There are some serious lessons.
    Cassius
    21st Sep 2020
    11:43am
    Cost of living actually decreased during COVID restrictions:
    Far less travel resulting in considerably reduced petrol bill and less wear and tear on vehicles.
    No restaurants, clubs or pubs (cheaper to eat and drink at home)
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    12:23pm
    how much has your shopping bill increased or are you 2 stupid to notice,How much has your power and gas bill increased or do you live at home with mummy under a cloud.shopping has gone up %17 electricity and gas %20 petrol at peak has gone down 20 cents /litre and due to the virus you are driving less.name 3 other essential items that has gone down.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    1:48pm
    I agree with Cassius and my grocery bill actually decreased during COVID allowing me to 'spluge' once in a while. My electricity bill increased because I am working from home but that will be offset by tax relief. Yes I still work full time. Pensioners are at home all year round so no changes there for them right?

    Mitch your experience may differ from Cassius but there is absolutely no need for your rudeness and insults. And for the record, in my area petrol went down from around $1.60 just before COVID hit to around an average of $1.20 now - a difference of 40c not 20c! Health insurance premiums were put on hold so no increase there, many car insurers offered rebats on car insurance given the car was not being driven, telephone companies offered increased data until the end of August. My council rates increase was placed on hold too. There were many financial benefits for many people during this period that did not come from Government handouts but that did affect the home budget positively for many.
    On the Ball
    21st Sep 2020
    2:25pm
    Not here it hasn't! Power is UP, rates are UP, water and gas is UP (and now, thanks to Scumbag it will get dearer because its going to be the only alternative!).
    Supermarkets have LESS specials at the moment. Most pensioners rely on specials to get by.
    "No restaurants, clubs or pubs (cheaper to eat and drink at home)" This is NORMAL for pensioners. They dont get to go out to eat.

    Now think of others.. The aged who rely on buses. Yes, huge savings there. Dont go out! Dont go shopping. Dont eat - see? easy! Lh, so the yuppies can afford taxis? Lucky them.
    As Mitch said, the reason pensions are so lousy is because the LNP can rely on pensioners' votes, no matter what they do to them.
    Cassius
    21st Sep 2020
    5:21pm
    Hey 'on the ball'
    Your comment regarding pensioners eating out is totally miss informed.
    My Lions club comprises of 3 over 80, 13 between 70 & 80, 5 between 66 & 70 and finally 3 between 55 & 60, and believe me we do eat out. The same with Freemasons with a similar demographic to say nothing of U3A
    ozjames70
    21st Sep 2020
    6:36pm
    Cost of living for aged pensioners has increased and at the same time, those who are self-funded saw their incomes drop, but don't kid yourselves, the cost of living for aged pensioners has increased significantly.

    Of course, the government will try to drive a wedge into the pensioners vote by saying one group of pensioners is better or worse affected than the other group. All lies. Doesn't matter if you were a worker, a self-funded retiree or an aged pensioner, we all needed support, much more than the big businesses who got wage subsidies to keep operating. Just like the government has continually stopped the Superannuation Guarantee from increasing to protect their buddies in the high-end of town, they also gave them extra support.

    Health insurance premiums were only put on hold for a short while at government direction, but few other things went down for aged pensioners. The major insurers of aged pensioners claim the lower vehicle use was already in the premiums paid, telephone costs did not go down even though we had telehealth sessions, but the wonderful data rebates are something few aged pensioners can use. Insurance premiums also went up (apparently due to bush fires and floods when I questioned this), and our council rates increased because of the extra services being provided to the community (most of which are unaccessible to aged pensioners).

    So while some feel there were many financial benefits for many people during this period, I'm afraid I missed them. Delivery charges have all increased. Masks (essential when going out at our age) have trippled in price. Most of the basics in our household shop for two have increased dramatically as has our gas, water and power. I guess if these essential items hadn't been sold off to foreign investors, there could have been some government control.

    While supermarkets may appear to have specials, they are not on the basics we older Australians survive on, or on rolls of toilet paper, frozen goods or bread that are all 30% less than they were pre-Pandemic. Many pensioners count the size of the roll or the number of slices of bread! We look at all of the 'specials', but most are luxuries to we pensioners who eat at home.

    I could never understand why a friend I walk with who was not at aged pension age and on JobSeeker got an increase and was advised he wasn't required to look for work because there wasn't any. So as a pensioner, I am worse off than if I applied to go on JobSeeker. Same guy has also been told he may have to go onto the pension in a week or two, even though he'd like to still work, just because he will be 67. The wonderful CenterLink has worked it out they have to pay him less as an OAP than they do on JobSeeker, so I guess his costs mysteriously go down.

    Just for a joke, I approached Centrelink and asked the question "Could I go back from the OAP into the workforce." The person on the other end of the phone was very blunt.
    "You can't do that and you don't have a choice. Why would you want too?" She then dutifully told me that once I'd met my aged pension eligibility age, I automatically switched to the aged pension, although whether I actually got it or not was subject to an asset test and income test. So even if I'd been asset rich (which I'm not), I'd have probably got no pension. Go figure that one.

    We all need to understand the CPI is a created government bundle of costs, manipulated to achieve what the government wants, not at all for the good of pensioners of any type other than politicians. If the CPI went down, why did JobSeeker people who didn't need to look for work get an increase. It was all about giving more taxpayer money to businesses, particularly insurers, big food providers, electricity and gas suppliers and anyone else who could get their hands in our pockets. Did the government actually legislate to freeze any costs? No!

    While we pensioners have worked all of our lives, paying taxes and funding assets that the government has sold off to foreign investors to increase their own net worth and pensions, we are now an expendable commodity. Those of us who have saved a little are now targets to those looking for an easy source of government tax. Many of us help out in aged care centers where the government is allowing the owners to rob the residents, but we have become casualties of not just the COVID pandemic, but of mismanaged government and particularly mismanaged taxes.

    I spent most of my life working under a tax model that was to provide me with an aged pension. This system was similar to schemes in other countries that were created to ensure we would have an income in retirement (which still work). Most of we currently retired people paid into this scheme through our taxes.

    When it was too late for me to change my vocation, the government of the day stole billions from the OAP Tax bucket to compensate an error that had been made in private pensions and to prop up the government coffers. Then a few years later, equally corrupt or inept politicians said we all needed to contribute more than the 7.5% so the Superannuation Guarantee was added. Now we're told we should never have counted on this. So what should we believe? It's all divisive lies.

    If the 1946 legislation had ever been changed, we might have a reason to believe there should be no OAP, but since it has never been repealed, the government needs to come clean and fix its mess. Stop sending billions to other countries and giving it to non-tax paying companies, while trying to tell retirees they are a charity case. They are not and never have been! They paid into the OAP and should get it to see them through their natural lives. The politicians however with their non-contributory pensions are a charity case and one we can't afford!

    In the same way these politicians signed the Lima agreement to make Australia a poorer country, they are robbing all tax payers, not just we retirees to create their own improved futures. The 7.5% (since 1946) and the added Superannuation Guarantee (tax) mean there should be an OAP for everyone, not just now but into the future. If the government is too incompetent to manage this, they should go.

    Present politicians pretend the original 7.5% tax never existed and that this money was never contributed for retirement pensions. They are either stupid, ignorant or lying (hey, the are politicians). If our politicians ever acknowledge the contributory funding of pensions they'd have to admit they've spent or given away the money. They'd also have to accept that the pension should not be asset and income-tested; that there could be no possible basis for including the family home in any tests; and that the pension is not being paid from the taxes of younger generations (whose own 7.5% also is being misappropriated), but from the 7.5% in the taxes already paid. Anyone getting an OAP would be happy to pay tax on any extra income if their core pension was provided as promised.

    I'll vote for the first party to come clean and fix these terrible errors before they wipe out Australia. We all need to protect our country from these crooks and incompetents.
    Puddles
    21st Sep 2020
    11:47am
    I reckon the same dollar increase as job seeker would be fine by me. Certainly not getting enough at present.
    mitch
    22nd Sep 2020
    7:35am
    Apparently job seeker. newstart, single parents pay increases were based on the CPI. The same as carers, disabled, and retirees however they seem to be given new ways of pay increases which contradict the rules of CPI.If the govt was tellingthe truth about the cost of livind being down by %3 then why did the GOVT give jobseeker,newstartand single parents who are under CPI RULES 3 times as much money more than pensioners,that is over$700 .WHY if the bills are getting lower.and if not why not everyone
    Even if pensioners get another $750 in the budget it is only$250 dollars really as $500 of that is to catch up to the cost of living concession that all the other pensioners received and stillr$6,000 less than newstart and single parents have recieved already.
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    12:15pm
    pensioners are $6,000 worse off than the newstart and single parents .that is because although pensioners received 2 x$750 and that is it,single parents and newstart got 1x$750 and an extra $550 a fortnight.All pay rises are done on the CPI but apparently the govt changed the policy for pensioners carers disabled only.TO catch up to newstart it would take 8 payments of $750 and an extra $500 for cost of living expences as the govt thinks a person on the dole has bigger bills than everyone else.By the way if the CPI has gone down why has my food ,electtricity and gas gone up $90 a fortnight..GOVT LIES
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    12:22pm
    CPI has gone down officially, but it a crap measure anyway. I assume the Gov though the that people who lost their only source of Income needed the extra funds, rather than a group who had already retired.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    1:33pm
    Well then you could always give up the pension Mitch and return to the workforce so you can claim the Jobseeker allowance.
    older&wiser
    21st Sep 2020
    3:39pm
    KSS, can't do that. You don't have a choice. Once you meet your aged pension eligibility age, you automatically change to aged pension. My next door neighbour was on Jobseeker getting $1100 a f/n, turned 66 and a half 2nd week of July, Centrelink changed straight to aged pension rate of $944 a f/n.
    You can't just choose to stay on Jobseeker.
    Bonnie
    21st Sep 2020
    12:19pm
    Pensioners are the people who have worked all their lives and paid their taxes of which the government finds it effortless to use to increase their own monies and pensions. Pensioners have become an expendable commodity, yet we still spend our monies donating to charities, helping other needy people and giving to those in need from little we get. Pensioners are one of the greater casualties in this COVID pandemic as we always hear that the most deaths are older aged people, but so little is being done. We are still human beings with needs no matter how long we live and money is important and we spend it which boosts the economy. The tax office knows those of us who have paid our taxes for over 50 years of work and we are the people being subjugated to poverty. Yes we get some subsidies, and yes there are those who have wisely saved and not touched their super, but that does not include the greater population who were unable to have such advantages.
    Marigold
    21st Sep 2020
    12:29pm
    I always find arguments for 'everyone' regardless of their financial position to be eligible for pensions or any sort of assistance repugnant. Taxpayer funds are collected for a wide range of purposes one of which is to provide a safety net for those whose circumstances are dire. It was never intended to be a source of extra income for those who have what they need to survive. So many of those who do not need a safety net demand it somehow as their 'right'. The result has been that those who do need it to get through tough patches where there ability to regain a footing is compromised or worse, there is a threat they will go under, get less assistance than they need because the cost of providing for both groups is too high. Those within the very generous boundaries of eligibility can already have large amounts of super and savings and own their own homes so how that can be defined as in need of a safety net defies reasoning. I know this will enrage many and I will be attacked, often with a polite and wordy reasoning that will be even more repellant. That money should be going to those unemployed, or on too low incomes, or members of the many racial (and other eg disabled) groups struggling in this country. It should go to all other Australians who are starting from behind and to the groups (mostly volunteer) that try to help them. So many of my friends, kind and intelligent people, are in that, to me, ineligible group and I am at a loss to understand why they and their like cannot seem to get a grip on this.
    Skiing
    21st Sep 2020
    9:09pm
    Well said
    Youngagain
    22nd Sep 2020
    4:43pm
    Sure, Marigold. Make working and saving useless - a punishable crime that delivers no benefit, and keep handing out to those who live irresponsibly. The problem with your theory is that there is simply no way to accurately assess need, much less why a person is needy (whether due to irresponsible living or genuine hardship).

    Yes, I think everyone SHOULD get an aged pension, because working and saving means you paid tax and you deserve a better lifestyle as a reward for contributions to society. But, I think all retirement income should be taxed to balance the scales a little and ensure those who have high incomes pay their way, rather than taking money they don't need. What I do have a major issue with is the assets test, because I don't think anyone should have to sacrifice their hard-won savings to live on while those who didn't save get handouts. The current system encourages and rewards over-spending, and that's silly.

    I'm not unsympathetic to the needy. I was among them for a long time, and I'm deeply grateful for the help I got when I needed it. My problem is the large number of people who are NOT needy, or who created their need - either deliberately, to get benefits, or simply by not thinking about tomorrow. We need to encourage a more honest, responsible and diligent society if we are to improve our economy, and that means we have to end the current situation where people who saved, or who struggle to earn a little, are harshly punished and people are rewarded for simply putting their hand out.
    floss
    21st Sep 2020
    12:52pm
    So the self funded retiree goes further behind, not much we can do about it .As far as public transport we don't have any unless you count a worn out unsafe fifty year old XPT.as such .Perhaps our local Liberal member could have tried a little more on transport before his meeting with the Courts.
    Youngagain
    24th Sep 2020
    12:40am
    Take a look at the government information website detailing help for those hurt financially by COVID-19, Floss. It reports benefits for pensioners, unemployed, workers who have been temporarily stood down or had hours cut, etc. and then, under the heading 'Retirees', it says you are allowed to halve the amount you are drawing from your super fund!!! How generous is that? Others get handouts, but you get a kick in the teeth and told to draw half as much as you were drawing and live on fresh air!
    Sandy
    21st Sep 2020
    12:55pm
    Rich, I agree with you. Our grocery bills have gone up considerably. The half price specials are usually things we don't buy. Even Aldi has put prices up for many items.
    JB
    21st Sep 2020
    1:38pm
    Very true . If you want to buy junk food yes it’s cheap but fruit and vegetables plus meat is so expensive .
    Mariner
    21st Sep 2020
    2:45pm
    Wait till you find yourself without an Aldi store then you know the difference. Currently in Cairns where there is none. Cannot even get a cask wine before 4 pm and then it's mostly warm. Miss my 6 pack of beer for $9 at Aldi, have to go across the border and it is a problem at present.
    older&wiser
    21st Sep 2020
    3:44pm
    Hmmmmmm Mariner...you must have got your Aldi beer interstate, as Qld Aldi's do not sell liquor. Long commute from Cairns.
    Mariner
    21st Sep 2020
    5:01pm
    O&W - sorry neglected to say I normally live on the Goldie, used to hope across the border to Aldi. Hopefully the border will open again shortly, came north before they closed it and stayed a bit longer because of it.
    Wendy HK
    21st Sep 2020
    5:58pm
    Oh Mariner, you are so right about Aldi.
    We came to Tassie in Feb and my groceries went up by at least $50 to $60 fortnight. I loved the Aldi "cheap drops". Fuel here also didn't go down AT ALL during lockdown. We could get a free bus but couldn't actually go anywhere, child care was free but we have no children. I so miss Aldi.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    1:40pm
    With the two lots of extra payments already received by pensionser, they are already far ahead of where they would have been in a non-covid year with or without the 'missed' September increase. And now the liklihood is yet another similar payment. Making spurious comparisons with those who lost their job due to COVID-19 and the extra TEMPORARY assistance they are currently receiving is a foolhardy one. For the vast majority of people on pensions their expenses have in real terms not changed over the last 6 months compared to the same period last year (accountin g for increased costs during winter with heating etc). Frankly this constant demading for more more more is sickening. Or perhaps pensionser would be happy with the normal jobseeker payments after the extra assistance has been removed in furture too?
    tobymyers
    21st Sep 2020
    2:18pm
    Well that's just plain bullshit pal you need to get your head out and smell the roses
    Mariner
    21st Sep 2020
    2:51pm
    The complainers on this site you will never stop, KSS. If I do not have the same as the other bloke I am not happy. Guilty I could have done without the $750 but I accepted it and spent it but then when I miss out on something some other people get I don't bitch either. We bought a place and missed out and something. Now that renters get assistance and I do not. Take on the chin!
    Thoughtful
    21st Sep 2020
    6:37pm
    No I think KSS is right. How can pensioners possibly compare themselves with the many people who have lost their jobs? What about the higher paid like pilots? Probably with young families and likely to lose their houses etc. Really - wake up! These are the people who are the real casualties of the pandemic.
    thommo
    21st Sep 2020
    8:58pm
    Agree with you Tobymyers 100%.
    Skiing
    21st Sep 2020
    9:14pm
    Yep, we’ll said KSS
    Arvo
    21st Sep 2020
    1:59pm
    “While the two previous $750 payments have been very welcome, pensioners have ended up with less income in this period than people on the increased level of Jobseeker.”

    This is not a fair comparison...Jobkeeper people work and pay tax, pensioners don't.

    Single Age Pensioners received a boost with the two $750 stimulus payments which is an equivalent of a $57.69 per fortnight over a period of 12-months. Another boost of $750 is welcome as long as pensioners respect the fact that if this occurs it will be equivalent to $86.54 per fortnight over a 12-month period, since March 2020.

    It beggars belief that pensioners whinge instead of being grateful for the government's generosity during these hard times.
    tobymyers
    21st Sep 2020
    2:17pm
    Seriously mate you obviously have got too much money
    Puddles
    21st Sep 2020
    2:19pm
    Pensions are worked out by totaling up all ones assets. If you are a home owner an extra $200,000 is automatically added.
    Non home owners receive rental assistance, home owners do not receive any ownership assistance like insurance, rates, maintenance, plus plus etc.
    Remember there was once a pension fund worth millions that was stolen by the pollies and added to consolidated revenue some 10 years ago. About the same time compulsory superannuation was introduced. Check the history.
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    2:35pm
    Try 30 years ago Puddles, not 10.
    Hardenough
    21st Sep 2020
    2:45pm
    Arvo, everyone pay taxes in Australia, GST is a tax and is taking from your pocket every time you buy something and let me tell you, every product is been charged many taxes before get to your hand and we paid for that, you need a repair? you paid tax, you need petrol? you paid tax, you need medicines? you paid tax, pensioners paid taxes all the time and for your information they paid taxes all their live, but I bet you that you are very happy that the government keep prisoners' in jail and paid $290 a day for them and hard worker pensioners only get $50.45 a day and they have to paid tax!!!
    Arvo
    21st Sep 2020
    3:10pm
    Puddles and McDaddy===29 years ago, to be exact 1991===

     "older people spent their lifetimes paying for their pensions with an early version of the compulsory superannuation scheme". "In 1945, the Commonwealth split personal income tax into two components. One of them, the social services contribution, was to be used exclusively to finance social security cash payments. The revenue from the contributions was paid into a National Welfare Fund."

    It went on to say that by 1950 the balance in the fund was £100 million, which would be several trillion dollars in today's money. According to the email, in 1977 Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser transferred the balance to Consolidated Revenue but to this day the contribution is still coming out of everybody's pay packet.
    These "revelations" started me on a journey to find out the truth, which culminated with my finding the seminal book on the subject, The Foundations of the National Welfare State, written by Rob Watts in 1987 and published by Allen and Unwin.
    Watts claims that the idea for a National Welfare Fund started in February 1943, when Treasurer Ben Chifley was trying to find ways to fund Australia's contribution to World War II. The Curtin government had publicly vowed never to tax low income earners, and that vow had been one of the main factors in bringing down the Fadden government. But the Curtin government found itself with a major problem – a shortage of money.
    At that stage the states were raising their own income taxes, but the Curtin government decided it could boost its own coffers and solve its budgetary problems by taking over all taxing rights from the states. Naturally, the states objected strongly, but on July 23, 1942, the High Court upheld the right of the Commonwealth to take over taxation.
    Despite taking over the states' rights to raise income tax, it was clear by the end of 1942 that the Curtin government had to find an additional £40 million in taxation. The question was what kind of spin could it put on it so it could not be described as a tax increase? It talked about introducing a separate social security tax, but decided that such a move would create administrative difficulties and confusion. In the end, it was simpler just to raise taxes across the board.
    And so the National Welfare Fund was born. True, a part of all taxes received were paid into it, and certain pensions were paid out of it. But no taxpayers had a separate balance in their own name, so there was no possibility that monies paid in would be allocated to the contributors.
    The years passed, governments changed, and eventually decisions were taken to end the charade of a separate welfare fund, and transfer any money left in it to Consolidated Revenue, which is where social security benefits were being paid from.
    Now, some minor political parties are agitating for the money that was originally in the National Welfare Fund to be paid to older people, on the grounds that it was their money all the time. The sad reality is that there is nothing there to pay out – it's all gone down the vast black hole called government.
    Reference: Noel Whittaker Updated November 11, 2016 — 11.07am first published at 10.36am SMH
    Arvo
    21st Sep 2020
    3:22pm
    Hardenough--- Full age pension payment (welfare income) is not subject to income tax. Workers on Jobkeeper have to pay income tax
    Puddles
    21st Sep 2020
    4:10pm
    Thank you Arvo, I was told about t by my dad many years ago. I now have a copy of what really happened.
    tobymyers
    21st Sep 2020
    2:15pm
    I have a lot of trouble in watching the illogical pensions become more illogical.
    On One hand the government tells us that the minimum wage is XX dollars minimum cost for living is XXX dollars and then they tell us average rents are XXXX dollars and pension payments are ..well, what are pension payments ? -XX dollars ?

    Seriously pensions and Jobseeker payments along with student payments are no way adequote .
    I would like some one in the government to explain to me why a student at University is paid less than the jobseeker ?
    A lot of these students aren't there by choice.
    They are there because someone in Centrelink sent them back to further their education into another field in order to get a job.

    Centrelink then reduces the payment when in fact it should go up taking into account, the books, the fees and the transport costs .
    Then Centrelink stop the payment completely if the course is not completed in a given time frame .......I mean who thinks this shit up ?
    The same can apply to married couples , it's just plain stupidity the way payments are metered out .

    receive half a married pension add to it your partners Jobseeker benefit if they can't get a job or they can't get a carers pension , then look how much it is ...................It is till less than 2 single pensions .......it is just crazy and it has to stop .
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    2:32pm
    Centrelink isn't doing any of this to you, just delivering Government Policy.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    4:30pm
    "A lot of these students aren't there by choice."

    Seriously? Who is forcing them against their will to be at university? They could be at TAFE or any other college or indeed working. University is not forced education it is ALWAYS a chice.
    Skiing
    21st Sep 2020
    9:21pm
    Sorry tobymyers, you need to get some facts right.
    robmur
    21st Sep 2020
    2:16pm
    If the federal government is proposing a further $750 for pensioners in the forthcoming federal budget in October, there seems to be a question as to how the money would be given. Either as a $750 amount paid directly into bank accounts or distributed as an increase in the fortnightly pension payment. On receiving the one-off $750 many will splash the money on a new TV etc. That seems OK for some, but I would prefer an additional pension supplement of $28.85 per fortnight($750 divided by 26 payments) per pensioner. Paid as a supplement it wouldn't be part of the pension payment affected by the assets test for part pensioners. As a couple, a fortnightly pension increase of $57.70 would be better spent helpimg to pay on-going bills, like groceries, gas, electricity and fuel . The only problem I see is that the government would terminate the supplement payment in September 2021, rather than making it a permanent fortnightly payment. And that would be a to swallow if that was the case.
    Hardenough
    21st Sep 2020
    2:52pm
    I will be happy if the amount of money given to maintain prisoners' in Jail ($290/day) they will at least consider to pay pensioners 1/3 of that every day ($96.67) then pensioners will be much better, they will expend more, more jobs will be created due to the demands and more people will be employed and you will see more happy people.
    older&wiser
    21st Sep 2020
    4:03pm
    Hardenough - I like this old story....

    Let's put the pensioners in jail and the criminals in a nursing home. WHY? Easy!!

    This way the pensioners would have access to showers, hobbies and walks.
    They'd receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they'd receive money instead of paying it out. Joint replacements, even a sex change if they want it!
    They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.
    Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.
    A guard would check on them every 20 minutes and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.
    They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.
    They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counseling, maybe even a pool, and education.
    Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free, on request.
    Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens.
    Each senior could have a PC a TV radio and daily phone calls.
    There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to.

    The criminals would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised.
    Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week. Live in a tiny room and pay $400.00 per week and have no hope of ever getting out.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    4:32pm
    Where is it reported the Government is considering another $750 handout to pensioners?

    No figure has been mentioned so please stop in plying that that amount has been proposed at all.
    tobymyers
    21st Sep 2020
    2:22pm
    Just reading some of these comments makes me realise that many people have too much money and I wonder why they are even commenting in the first place considering they are just nasty people .
    Puddles
    21st Sep 2020
    2:27pm
    Conversely some people have too little money also.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    4:32pm
    And for some poeple it is never enough!
    tobymyers
    21st Sep 2020
    2:26pm
    The other thing that strikes me is that many are self funded retirees who had high paid jobs and for some reason hate the idea of someone being on a pension , they also have some warped reasoning that tells them the pension is adequate.
    I would like to say to those people keep your money in the bank and only draw down what the pension pays, do this for a few years and let me know how you are going .
    Puddles
    21st Sep 2020
    2:30pm
    One wonders how the average polly would survive when they retire.
    Skiing
    21st Sep 2020
    9:26pm
    I agree on this point tobymyers
    Youngagain
    22nd Sep 2020
    4:34pm
    I live on LESS than the pension, tobymyers, and I have never had a high paid job. I find it hard to live on my income, but only because both my partner and I have chronic health problems that result in high costs. I know plenty of folk who live very well on the pension. For most of my life, I lived very well on quite a lot less than pensioners receive.
    Sundays
    23rd Sep 2020
    7:21am
    Youngagain, you still don’t get it. You may choose to live on less than the pension but it’s not the same. You have your capital as back stop. No worrying how to pay if something in your home breaks down, or there are unforeseen expenses. Life is short, draw down what you need to live on and eventually you may qualify for some government assistance. Most people with Superannuation income streams do just that. We know our money may eventually run out. It’s how we support ourselves. Only the truly rich can live well, and fully maintain their capital if we’re honest
    Youngagain
    24th Sep 2020
    12:37am
    I get it, Sundays. But I don't have super and I didn't sacrifice to save so the government could escape its obligation to support me in old age. I don't think it's reasonable that people who spent freely get a pension and those who saved a little don't. Others make the choice to live it up. I made the choice to put money aside in the hope of leaving something to my grandchildren. Why should my choice be invalidated and the choice to spend be endorsed and rewarded? I'm not saying I don't have a choice. I'm saying I shouldn't have to choose. The system is unfair, and it's harmful to the economy because it discourages saving and responsible living which, ultimately, benefits society in many ways.
    Tia
    21st Sep 2020
    2:28pm
    When is the government going to help the 60-65 year olds that aren't eligible for the pension, lost their jobs and probably won't get hired anytime soon and have little to no super??? I am so sick of us singles in this age bracket missing out on help!!
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    2:30pm
    It's called Jobseeker Payment.
    tobymyers
    21st Sep 2020
    2:29pm
    Self funded retirees should receive no benefits what so ever because you have already received government ,employer benefits along with tax cuts....so if you would like to hand back those reduced tax receipts, your employers contribution and the governments contribution you might have something to say worth listening to.
    dabi56
    21st Sep 2020
    4:07pm
    Self funded retirees receive no benefits from the government . That is why we are called Self Funded. In fact if you are a single Self funded retiree you are saving the government and people of Australia over $26,000 a year.
    Self Funded Retirees deserve respect and appreciation.
    Sundays
    21st Sep 2020
    6:27pm
    Come on dabi5, I’m self funded but I don’t deserve appreciation because we had high incomes while working , financial acumen and a lot of luck along the way. My parents were full Pensioners, and my father worked every hour possible to support his large family. People like him deserve respect and appreciation!
    dabi56
    22nd Sep 2020
    11:54am
    So Sundays my parents had nothing to speak of and I inherited nothing. I never had a high paying job like you obviously did, I just saved and saved and lived frugally because I did not want to end up solely reliant on the Old Age Pension like my parents were. Then along came the government and changed the rules. I do believe that I deserve a bit of appreciation and respect . Lots of others in my boat as well , not high fliers like you just ordinary people who worked and saved and begrudged themselves.
    Sundays
    22nd Sep 2020
    12:37pm
    Yes, but now you begrudge others. You don’t start with nothing like I did without working hard to make something of yourself either
    Youngagain
    22nd Sep 2020
    4:18pm
    I agree with dabi56, and I am appalled by tobymyers wrong and nasty assumptions and vicious remarks. I didn't get ANY reduced tax or employer benefits. I started with nothing, worked hard and saved well from a very low income, despite a lot of hardship. I suspect I paid way more tax than most people - certainly more than most on the low income I earned - because a lot of my savings resulted from buying and renovating houses, which meant I paid whopping stamp duty over and over and over again. Plus sales tax/GST on building materials.

    Put a sock in it, tobymyers. Show some respect, and be grateful for your pension that is paid for by folk like me. My partner and I save the government some $40,000 a year by self-funding. If all the self-funded spent up big and claimed pensions, you might find pensions would need to be cut due to the extra impost.
    Barbara Mathieson
    21st Sep 2020
    2:42pm
    If pensioner solo females , renting could be assisted a little more , I would jump for joy !

    Just difficult making ends meet lately I’m finding.

    Ever hopeful though RIP !
    Mariner
    21st Sep 2020
    2:57pm
    Barbara - why females only? Don't you know any blokes doing it tough - they're not all pisspots either. Maybe some of them are happy rooming above a pub and pay weekly. And they would not even get rent assistance. The lucky ones here are in Govt housing.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    4:34pm
    Why is this a gender issue Barbara? Do men pay lower amounts for groceries, utilities, rent, and other necessities?
    Buggsie
    21st Sep 2020
    3:12pm
    Surely none of you complaining about the lack of a pension increase begrudge PM Scumbag his almost $50,000 tax cut proposed in legislation already passed and about to be brought forward in the next budget? Surely this is fair and reasonable, given his even handed approach to all of us? No? Well, we all know the cure and the date is fast approaching.
    Buddha
    21st Sep 2020
    3:54pm
    Whilst there was no increase,I actually received notification of a "decrease". Just what I needed.
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    4:35pm
    Then your assets must have increased!
    Youngagain
    22nd Sep 2020
    4:29pm
    Saving is a crime, Buddha. You must have spent too little, and that's an terrible thing to do.
    john
    21st Sep 2020
    4:52pm
    Strange talking about aged pension rises?
    I am on a part pension, my wife can't get a pension until she is 66, I have a government super that comes in fortnightly not real big, and my wife is not working now and we get a small amount from her super annuation per month.
    We're not destitute by any means but we have to budget tightly, Not much social activities these days, but without the part pension we'd not really be in a comfortable situation.
    So reading about a pension rise, supposedly coming, I find that my last two pension payments have been lowered by $11.00 dollars, my wife after much angst and mind debilitating form filling out, managed to scrounge a health care card. No pension , no work. That health care card, Would that have effected my pension by $22 bucks a month, as per usual I am baffled and unable to get through on MyGov, what a weird situation we have in our set ups, and how is eleven above, or eleven less decided on?
    Mariner
    21st Sep 2020
    4:56pm
    Been in the same position a few years ago, wife had to wait for age 65 then, got the health care card and I got a married partner part pension. So obviously things have not changed very much apart from the age creeping up.
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    5:33pm
    She didn't need to go through all that she is on your Pension Card.
    Mariner
    21st Sep 2020
    6:50pm
    She was never on my pension card, but now I had a look I am on hers, funny that. Mine has always had only one name on it. Thanks mate - I look into it next time at C/L.
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    5:42pm
    mr cassious .i bet you do not buy everything you bought before the virus .so tell me how much has bread milk butter cereals soup and a hundred other items gone up .WHY is it as a pensioner that buys the same things every fortnight. My shopping bill has gone from $300 to $350 dollars and you are right about gas and electricity I am HOME all the time so my bills are bigger all the time but i still paid an extra $120 on each. TELL me why pensions for the elderly ,carers ,and disabled cost of living is supposed to be down %3 yet jobseekers jobsearch,and single parents got an extra $500 more for the cost of living concession if the cost of living went down.the elderly pensioners have double standards from the govt read some of the comments and i know and can prove what i say CAN YOU
    ozjames70
    21st Sep 2020
    6:57pm
    Spot on.

    By the way, the acknowledged way to destroy a country is to pit its residents against each other, starting with a small group who can't defend themselves.
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    5:42pm
    mr cassious .i bet you do not buy everything you bought before the virus .so tell me how much has bread milk butter cereals soup and a hundred other items gone up .WHY is it as a pensioner that buys the same things every fortnight. My shopping bill has gone from $300 to $350 dollars and you are right about gas and electricity I am HOME all the time so my bills are bigger all the time but i still paid an extra $120 on each. TELL me why pensions for the elderly ,carers ,and disabled cost of living is supposed to be down %3 yet jobseekers jobsearch,and single parents got an extra $500 more for the cost of living concession if the cost of living went down.the elderly pensioners have double standards from the govt read some of the comments and i know and can prove what i say CAN YOU
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    5:42pm
    mr cassious .i bet you do not buy everything you bought before the virus .so tell me how much has bread milk butter cereals soup and a hundred other items gone up .WHY is it as a pensioner that buys the same things every fortnight. My shopping bill has gone from $300 to $350 dollars and you are right about gas and electricity I am HOME all the time so my bills are bigger all the time but i still paid an extra $120 on each. TELL me why pensions for the elderly ,carers ,and disabled cost of living is supposed to be down %3 yet jobseekers jobsearch,and single parents got an extra $500 more for the cost of living concession if the cost of living went down.the elderly pensioners have double standards from the govt read some of the comments and i know and can prove what i say CAN YOU
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    5:42pm
    mr cassious .i bet you do not buy everything you bought before the virus .so tell me how much has bread milk butter cereals soup and a hundred other items gone up .WHY is it as a pensioner that buys the same things every fortnight. My shopping bill has gone from $300 to $350 dollars and you are right about gas and electricity I am HOME all the time so my bills are bigger all the time but i still paid an extra $120 on each. TELL me why pensions for the elderly ,carers ,and disabled cost of living is supposed to be down %3 yet jobseekers jobsearch,and single parents got an extra $500 more for the cost of living concession if the cost of living went down.the elderly pensioners have double standards from the govt read some of the comments and i know and can prove what i say CAN YOU
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    5:56pm
    NAN NORMA YOU ARE RIGHT carers should get more especially since newstart {the dole}are getting between $200 to$400 more than carers per fortnight plus an extra $500 cost of living concession when the govt says the cost of living has gone down%3 CARERS GET $215 AND newstart. job seekers. single parents get over $700 .WHY if the cost of living according to the govt went down This shows either the cost of living did not go down otherwise the concession would have stayed the same" WHO DO YOU THINK IS LYING..IT WOULD NOT BE THE GOVT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIE"
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    5:56pm
    NAN NORMA YOU ARE RIGHT carers should get more especially since newstart {the dole}are getting between $200 to$400 more than carers per fortnight plus an extra $500 cost of living concession when the govt says the cost of living has gone down%3 CARERS GET $215 AND newstart. job seekers. single parents get over $700 .WHY if the cost of living according to the govt went down This shows either the cost of living did not go down otherwise the concession would have stayed the same" WHO DO YOU THINK IS LYING..IT WOULD NOT BE THE GOVT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIE"
    McDaddy
    21st Sep 2020
    6:05pm
    Learn how to remove your doubled post mate, like the rest of us have.
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    6:25pm
    how
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    6:07pm
    itoo KSS.i am a 68 year old carer and had to stop work due to my wifes ill health you sarcastic bastard.I work 24/7 washing .dressing my wife .i do the housework ,washing, ironing ,cleaning vacumingcooking shopping and everything else to take care of her .I have no helpand while people on the dole do nothing yet they get paid $400 per f/n so if you want my responsibilities then get in touch and take over them and i will get a job otherwise do not soruke shit about what you do not know you condecending brat
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    9:24pm
    When you married you promised to stay married in sickness and in health, richer or poorer. Well now you have to honour those promises!
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    6:16pm
    kss yes pensioners recieved 2x $750 but newstart received 1x$750 plus $550 a fortnight .That is a %100 increase .They now get paid an extra $200to $400 more than pensioners a fortnight .Tell me why someone sitting home on the dole gets paid hundreds more than a carer who can work 24/7or disabled who can have staggering medical and transport cost.Obviosly you should do some homework because you do not know what you are talking about
    KSS
    21st Sep 2020
    9:25pm
    They are unemployes NOT pensioners and by the end of the year likely to be on less than the pension. Are you willing to take the same reduction then?
    mitch
    21st Sep 2020
    6:57pm
    to arvo once again some one does not know what they are talking about
    I worked for 54 years and paid my taxes .how many people on the dole can say that i was one of the people who fought for your 38 hour week i fought for penalty rates .i fought for holiday pay amd i fought for loading.Our generation fought for all the benehits you have now and deserve to br treated better than people on the dole The majority of newstart are long timers and i think if anyone deserves a cut it is people who have been on the dole for 12 months or more should be conscripted and earn there money after all i served this country for 9 years and it is jerks like you who has done nothing for this country so you have no right to advise me or any pensioner for that matter because i can gaurantee the majority of pensioners have paid there dues .HAVE YOU
    should .majority
    ozjames70
    21st Sep 2020
    7:06pm
    Well said Mitch. Great to meet a kindred spirit. Sometimes wonder why we fought to protect some people or their way of life. And like you I paid tax for many years (I my case since 1960). I believed the politicians lies about getting an aged pension and was almost out of the workforce before the Superannuation Guarantee.
    Arvo
    1st Oct 2020
    7:30pm
    mitch- For the record, my individual work productivity contribution to Australia's economy in one particular industry was to an amount of $144 million gross sales over a period of 22 years and I paid my due income tax. My contribution to Australian commerce wasn't as much as some but it was much more than others. I also served in the Australian Military Force for 3-years. Studied Commerce at uni. So, it's bogans like you who not only don't know what they are talking about but you don't know who you are slandering. Get a life or curl up.
    Farside
    21st Sep 2020
    7:03pm
    well done YLC ... more than 100 predictable comments within a day
    viva
    21st Sep 2020
    8:24pm
    Increase aged pensions not just $4/$5 per fortnight that covers nothing. Bonus payment as per $750 twice a year is great & an extra $100 per week would take quite a bit of financial stress away.
    mitch
    22nd Sep 2020
    1:40am
    what are newstart people doing now that they did before the virus,NOTHING, So why did they get a %100 increase for doing the same thing. NOTHING IT is against the govt policy that like pensioners is based on the C.P.I.but it is obvious that they are treated differently.some are entitled to the cost of living concession of $700. WHY The govt said the cost of living was down %3 so pensioners did not get a pay rise.If the cost went down then why did the govt give newstart ans single parents 3 times as much as pensioners for the cost of living and i might add that the different states are doing tyhings different Qkld has held back council rates but not here and unless you live in S.A. then you do not know what has gone up
    Koro
    22nd Sep 2020
    7:28am
    There certainly has been an increase in the cost of daily needs across the board (grocery bill on a weekly basis up at least 30% even while shopping the specials) as well as insurances on motor vehicles (even though kilometers on the road are way down), home and contents I guess due to the bush fire cost to insurers, so where on earth has the cost of living gone down?
    Youngagain
    22nd Sep 2020
    4:06pm
    Childcare is a major factor, Koro. And of course aged pensioners use a lot of that, don't they? Also petrol costs have fallen, but that doesn't help aged folk who are confined to their homes.
    Gams
    22nd Sep 2020
    11:45am
    As a single aged Pensioner I receiver $944 per fortnight. Married aged pensioners receive around $720 per fortnight (p/f) each. Which equals over $1400 p/f going into their homes as against $944 for me. Please someone tell me how it costs over $400 p/f for one extra person in the house. Electricity, gas, rates cost the same - there would be a little extra for water, and food and clothing - and as they can afford it, a 2nd car, a caravan and GOOD FOOD as well as plenty of holidays. There are times I am unable to buy the food I like - I have to save up to have a decent steak or to go out for a meal.
    mitch
    22nd Sep 2020
    1:23pm
    For the same reason single parents get extra
    How many people get paid welfare for having children.
    In my day if you could not afford children you did not have any.
    Today it is not . there is the pill ,next day pil,l condoms and the word NO, but apparently none of these work. and at the moment they are in housing trust houses with free solar and battery back up cheap rent and are getting paid more than married couples who might get the pension because both of us worked all our lives.Have you?. Even people single are getting $1100 dollars at the moment on the dole.THIS is in s.a.i do not know if it is the same in other states.Why is it that married couples do not get the same as you each we are seperate people and you have the choice of getting a boarder like most dole people do and split cost.Every person i have met and talked to on the dole share houses and get paid the at the moment $1100 each .what category do you come under?
    Youngagain
    22nd Sep 2020
    4:03pm
    Gams, you have the same opportunity to share a home and reduce costs as anyone else. And no, electricity and gas does NOT cost the same. Two people might use a lot more than just one. Maybe they wish to pursue different activities and therefore be in different rooms, both requiring heating or cooling? Maybe they like different TV shows so each watch their own television? They may need a larger home because of their various activities, or one may need a large shed to pursue hobbies which may mean a larger land lot with higher rates and certainly means higher electricity bills. Certainly they don't use the same hot water, as I don't think most married couples shower together!! And they would use a lot more water, as toilet flushing requires a considerable amount of water. They would have twice the laundry too, requiring more water, hot water and soap and potentially power to run a dryer occasionally depending on the climate where they live. Why shouldn't they have a car each and be able to go where they need or want? Separate interests and hobbies mean twice the group membership and subscription fees and hobby materials.

    I could live on less than half our current income without my partner. I would opt for very different accommodation which would save a fortune, and I'd sell the car and use public transport or taxis. My partner's health costs are high also. And I would eat very differently and more economically if I were not cooking for a partner with very specific food preferences.

    I don't know what makes you think all married pensioners can afford holidays, much less a second car or caravan. Certainly, some married pensioners are very comfortable, due to having planned and saved for retirement and/or worked hard to pay off a home. They deserve their comfort. They earned it. But some married pensioners are doing it very tough - especially if they are renting.

    I think you are being very unfair and making some wild and unsubstantiated assumptions. I think most of us would like to see an increase in the single pension rate, but comments like yours don't win you sympathy or support for your cause. If you can save up for a decent steak or to go out for a meal, you are not doing too badly. Many folk simply couldn't hope to eat steak or eat out, no matter how they saved.
    mitch
    22nd Sep 2020
    5:55pm
    to kss i think you should do some homework and look into how much the cost of living has gone up in the last 2 years.Pensioners have received %.004 in the last rise That does not cover how much toilet paper alone has gone .Pensioners received 2x$750 plus $215 on the cost of living expence which used to be a rebate on council rates,NEWSTART got 1x $750 plus a %100 increase of $550 x13 +$7125plus $750+$7,875plus they got over$700 for the cost of living concession =$8675 .What have newstart done to deserve getting paid more than people who worked all there lives and paid taxes at a higher rate than you do now
    obviosly your parents are not on a pension so you know nothing because if they were you would change your tune however i think the silver spoon in your mouth should be removed as you do not know what you are talking about because you are not in a position to to judge.Wait until you are 70 and the govt shafts you because you are the type of person who either needs to wake up or shut up.until you are in a pensioners shoes I am not being rude i am stating a fact ,Do you know what a fact is.Afact is something that means you know for sure and until you have worked for 60 years you might appreciate what the baby boomers fought for and now you benefit from our efforts,what have you fought for that benefits australians.
    Alone
    30th Sep 2020
    9:04am
    Mitch,
    You sound like a very angry man. And, maybe, rightfully so!!! However, looking up your join date, you have only been on this site since late Aug (before me). Obviously, you have looked up all your stats (am I supposed to say congratulations?), and comment on EVERYONES post. Nothing better to do? IF? you are sooooo informed, articulate and 'brainy' why are you not on the 'podium'. I can't find YOUR name in the 'ministry. Make YOUR point to those who can do action. As much as I dislike the inequity, I still think (under the circumstances) that 'we' are doing 'better' than other countries. YOU, and yes YOU, have made me disappointed that I even went on this site. So much or conversation?!?! PS. I can look up stats as well...just as 'brainy' as you...if not more so.Do you get carers allowance as well? I not, you should.
    tobymyers
    22nd Sep 2020
    7:51pm
    A h, now come on guys wanting too much is what ? too much ? for what ? what is too much give me a figure , throw me a bone and as for Mr whats his name .If you have hurt feelings because I hit a nerve suck it up you child.
    And that reasoning about a married couple versus a single , you have lost me totally.

    Look at it this way .
    If you are married they take money off you
    If you are single living with a mate a complete stranger receiving a single pension also you have more disposable income.
    But wait !!!
    Should centrelink step in and say you are sharing costs so we will reduce your pension , your single pension ?
    Come on .
    let's say the shared costs are $5,000 a year so centrelink says ok we will reduce your pensions by $2,500 a year because you are sharing costs ........makes sense ?
    No of course not.
    Take it a step further .
    There are 4 of you in this house all on a single pension and sharing costs .
    The cost s were $5,000 right ?

    So, let me see , Centrelink does the calculation and decides to reduce each of your pensions by ...........wait for it .............$1,250.00 right ? makes sense ?
    Of course it doesn't but that is what you are saying right ?
    No ?
    Well, what are you saying ?
    hang on I just put solar on my roof I paid $8,0000 .

    But wait that means that the individual cost of electricity has gone down so Centrelink reduce the amount they will take off your pension because ?
    That's right .because I spent $8,0000 ...so are Centrelink going to give me back my $8,000 ?
    Of course they won't.
    You see, why should a bit of paper make any fcuckin difference to the payment. ?
    The answer is it should not because has Centrelink determined what the true cost of living is on behalf of the government ?

    Next I will hear you all arguing that trickle down economics is the answer .....yes I would expect that from a lot of you.....pay the rich more and they will give it to the poor .in your dreams !!!
    Charchy78
    22nd Sep 2020
    7:53pm
    I think it's not right to just give this to the ELDERLY. how about the single parents out there who would ACTUALLY BUY THINGS AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE ECONOMY NOT HIDE IT UNDER A MATTRESS. SERIOUSLY make it fair.
    mitch
    25th Sep 2020
    5:23pm
    single parents are already getting more than pensioners .What increase have they been getting for the last 26 weeks plus 3 time more for the cost of living expences.Having children is your responsibility and if you cannot afford them then you should not have them. the elderly generation did not have children if they could not afford them and had no govt assistence.They worked all there lives to bring up there children but nowadays people have children because the majority do not care as they are covered by the govt if the shit hits the fan. What about the steps you should take to ensure you do not get pregnant.
    NO is the first step unless you deliberately want to conceive.
    I I am not on any contraceptive
    DO you have a condom
    i will be taking %18 of your pay before tax if i conceive whithout informing you of my not caring and taking precautions
    Marie
    23rd Sep 2020
    5:26pm
    Never ceases to amaze me. Pensioners who own their home have to pay council.and water rates, all.maintenance, building insurance etc. Renters don't. So lets treat us all the same. A pensioner whatever.
    mitch
    23rd Sep 2020
    5:34pm
    pensioners can still have a mortgage due to divorce or financial problems and get no aid from govt but people who rent get there mortgage paid for by the renter who claims it from the govt for rent relief.Just another way the govt looks after the rich.
    mitch
    24th Sep 2020
    1:50am
    jobseekers,newstart, single parents are getting over$700 for the cost of living concession compared to carers ,disabled and pensioners who get $215.
    Since the govt says pensioners ,carers and the disabled are not entitled to a pay increase due to the fact that the cost of living has gone to minus %3 why do the jobseekers ,jobsearch and single parents get $500 more than the rest for the cost of living increases that are in the minus
    If pensioners get another$750 in the budget in reality they will only get $250 if you make cost of living expences the same for every one.That means that jobseekers jobsearch and single parents will get $750 as well if you add the $500 extra they received for CLE plus the extra $250 per fortnight. In one fortnight alone they would get the same increase as pensioners and a further $250 till it changes and once again the elderly and the disabled and carers will once again be shafted.It would take at least 8 x$750 just to catch up to what newstart jobseekerd and single parents received so far.
    Farside
    24th Sep 2020
    1:24pm
    exactly, all welfare recipients should receive similar benefits and the aged pension should be brought into line with jobseeker.
    Fair Dinkum
    25th Sep 2020
    1:19pm
    What about a boost for the self funded retires that are receiving less than the pension because of small share returns and almost zero interest on there investments . We should get the same discounts that pensioners get on there rates rego and services we are saving the governments millions by looking after our selves and get very little in return
    Barbara Mathieson
    25th Sep 2020
    6:45pm
    The " pensioners" really in need of a boost are those in private rentals - especially single females, there are many of us.
    We live from pension day to pension day, so used to eking out our $$$.
    Most of us are in this situation through no fault of our own and super funds were never " invented" in our working lives.
    Curious
    28th Sep 2020
    7:20am
    I'm not sure what amount of pension I'd be entitled to receive at end of November, when I'm pensionable age. I have checked and well within all thresholds. My husband qualifies in June next year. Am I considered a single or couple pensioner? Asking as husband still doesn't qualify.
    mitch
    28th Sep 2020
    11:10am
    ndas such you would be better off on newsstart at the moment.they get paid more rhan pensioners.my wife is on disability and gets $712/fn.Ithink newsart is on $800/fn
    Alone
    29th Sep 2020
    8:45am
    I know that there are many differing reasons as to why we are all on a pension of one sort or another. However, mine 'complaint' is this. (And I have written to both the State and Federal Govts). Why do 'married' couples get twice the pension compared to a single person? It takes just as much electricity to light a room, whether there is one person or two in the room. It takes just as much gas to boil one egg instead of two. It takes the same amount of petrol to drive two persons to the shops compared to one. etc etc. Water o course is a different matter. The other 'thing' is Strata levies (State Govt). A lot of 'us' live in Strata, and have to pay levies. That's OK. However, why can an investor claim those Strata Levies on their investment? I can't. I can claim a reduction on council rates. Why not strata levies? Mine in particular are $3000 per annum, but do know that that varies from each complex.
    mitch
    29th Sep 2020
    11:32am
    there is a reason that married couples get a married couple rate and that you would know if you were married.Mwife is disabled so i have extra medical food clothing and as we sleep at different times a huge power and gas bills.I have to take her to doctors and buy special food for her.You should take in a border who works night shift or opposite to your sleeping times.Do not charge them for board or utilities or food clothing transport cost so they live for free and see if your expenses change .
    Alone
    29th Sep 2020
    5:22pm
    As I said.There are differing reasons why we are on pensions. I was just putting my (and many others) point of view across. I bet you don't have to pay strata levies? Sorry for your 'situation'.
    mitch
    29th Sep 2020
    6:40pm
    by the way we get $1412 /fn and i believe you should be on more than half of what we get paid .I do not know if you get rent relief but i do not .iI would also point out that the govt gets back $2500 back on council rates and due to financial problems due to ill health we had to take a second mortgage and i do not think i am alone. married couples got shafted in the stimulous receiving over 47000 less than newstart and they recieved $215 for the cost of living concession while newstart ,jobseekers and single parents got over$700 for the cost of living concession.Do you think they incurred bills 3 times more than married couples who are home practically 24 /7.I am only saying this to let you know that all is not easy for married couples either
    mitch
    29th Sep 2020
    6:41pm
    sorry i meant$7000 not 47000
    mitch
    1st Oct 2020
    6:08pm
    IN reality if pensioners get a third $750 that will mean $2250over a 12month period .
    If you work out what newstart get for the same period of time 12 months it equals13 payments payment of $800 if you add the 6 months of $550 and 6 months of $250 =$10410 plus an extra 500 more than pensioners for the cost of living expence.What are dole people doing now for the huge increase compared to the aged and the carers who look after them NOTHING and why should they when the govt rewards the unemployed with no policing the time someone is on newstart and what have they done to deserve rewarding them for doing nothing more today,than they did prior to the virus
    Jilly B
    1st Oct 2020
    9:52pm
    What really upsets me if when I get a few days work and earn over the $300 in a fortnight they then take 50 cents in the dollar out of my earnings. Say for example I earn $1,000 over the fortnight they subtract the $300 leaving $700 and then take 50 cents in the dollar out of the balance leaving me with $350 pension for the fortnight. Out of my earning I still pay TAX and HECS so when you add the 2 together it makes working very hard to swallow. Mine is all up front and taxed where the next person who collects cash pays my tax and gets the full pension. Surely if you have paid tax for 50 years like I have I can earn a little to get my house paid off without it being taxed so fiercely.
    Arvo
    2nd Oct 2020
    11:26am
    "Equilibrium"--a state in which opposing forces or influences are balanced.
    "the task is the maintenance of social welfare equilibrium when people on welfare earn money over the allowed threshold"
    crazy one
    5th Oct 2020
    11:34pm
    The government does not care about the pensioners they never have. Over the years the government thinks that they work hard and the little pension that they get they deserve but they do not because they get money from other income, they go for holidays on the tax payers as they say it is business a lot of laugh there.

    For the pensioners they need to run their car , pay for registration, buy groceries which are going up because of fires not enough rain and can not sell over seas, that also includes meat.
    What does our great leaders say, The pensioners have it easy because I can live on that amount of money that they get and that is a laugh, so if they think this then cut what they get down by 70% because that may help everyone but they are all the same promise one thing but the funny thing is they develop dementia all of a sudden.
    Feather
    6th Oct 2020
    1:44pm
    pensioners shld get assistance. Espec those on base pensiin still renting or buying a home. No room for holidays or treats on this allowance, nitably when one find themselves relegated to a single pension on death of partner. A single pension is almost unliveable and it is no wonder some are sleeping
    rough with lack of community housing. Getting old shld not be a punishment
    Pensioner 007
    6th Oct 2020
    4:49pm
    It really annoys me when the Bean Counters say the "Poverty Line" is $44,000 p/a and pensioners are lucky to get $14,000 p/a. So they are happy for every pensioner to live (struggle) way below the poverty line. Then they make a big song and dance because pensioners get an extra $10, but forget to see that if your in Public Housing your rent will go up $9. I have a 18yr old nephew who is on Youth Payement. By December he would have recieved an extra $6,000 this year (convirus supplments) but I get just $1,500 How is that fair..
    mitch
    6th Oct 2020
    6:28pm
    i have a stepson who will get over, $8000 more than pensioners over the 12 month period and he gets it for doing what he did prior to the virus.NOTHING I ALSO think if they cannot get a job when on $550 then why would they look for one when the govt rewards them another $550 for 13 f/n and now an extra $250 plus $715 cost of living concession pensioners got @215 and the govt in its wisdom in the budget have now matched pensioners to get the same ammount to catch up .P
    Barbara Mathieson
    23rd Oct 2020
    11:55am
    Try being a full aged pensioner in private rental .
    Bl***y hard!


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