Friday Flash Poll: Forecasting the federal election

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The Liberal Party is battered and bruised. Labor is smirking in anticipation of a possible federal election victory. The Greens are gaining ground and the independents are hot on their heels.

These are the main players in what will quite possibly be the biggest event on the 2019 national calendar – the federal election.

During 2018, throughout various Friday Flash Polls, we asked about topics that would sway your vote. For instance, we wondered whether climate policy would influence your vote – you said yes. You also told us that the Liberal Party’s sinking reputation would probably affect your decision come election time, and that reducing the pension poverty gap, creating a decent aged care system and solving Australia’s energy cost crisis will all factor into how you’ll vote.

Today, we’re asking you for your 2019 federal election predictions. It may be a while away but letting your party know now how you’ll vote may influence policymaking in the leadup to the election.

Let’s send a message to our politicians now and see how they respond!

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    How amazing there are still people who will vote for a party and government that has destroyed a country, has demonised and punished people for no reason other then they can, who have watched people die on waiting lists, who have devastating the aged care system, who has. The list is amazing. Not only this they have corrupted themselves and their party and people would still consider it worth voting for them!

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      Yes, it’s amazing – but what choice is there? LNP is terrible. Labor is worse. Greens are an unmitigated disaster. Independents and other minors don’t seem to be able to garner enough support to do much to challenge the mongrels who are destroying society. I think Labor will win, but heaven help us! We will see far worse than anything the LNP has done. It will just be masked and misrepresented more effectively and way too many will not realise what is happening until it is too late.

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      Labor is not worse nor is it ‘dangerous’ and the Greens are certainly not an ‘unmitigated disaster.’ Exaggerations abound! At least you did not support PH and only one person has, so far. Words like ‘mongrels’ are inappropriate and have no meaning except to highlight exaggeration and bias. There are actually good people in all the parties and amongst the independents as well. I know many politicians are sincere and genuinely care and try to do the right thing. Unfortunately, a few like Abbott and some others have caused havoc and there is the issue of climate change being ignored by some and also the haves not caring about fairness or having compassion or empathy.
      There are actually some very poor people who are not pensioners or SFRs and are doing it very tough. We discovered this recently when we gave away a few old mattresses that people needed for sleeping on. They were past their use by date. Not homeless people just desperate!

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      You see many realise when they actually read analysis that it is the LNP who cause the issues and the debt. And many realise labor has policies and ideas and consider the whole country. So I still feel there are many who only read and listen to the mainstream media and comments implying LNP are better. LNP have honest and good politicians. I am still reeling from their expenditure. Their short sightness. Their inability to actually see the future. Their complete destruction of the Labor proposed NBN and their cost blow out. I still try to find one thing in the last twenty years that LNP accomplished. Labor got us through the financial crisis. Labor allowed many of us to get education otherwise unobtainable Labor got us Fairwork and along come the LNP and place their members and friends on it and destroy it. Once again the path of destruction always leads back to LNP

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      vote Green or independant. DO NOT vote for the LNP or ALP, send a clear message that the Australian people want the 2 party system gone

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      Was suprised by the results i saw as well like you Concerned. I have voted Liberal all my voting life. i was in the young libs when I was in my mid 20’s(during Costellos time there). But as a care worker and a mother of 2 young people- one who has tried really really really hard to get a job. My eyes are open to the injustices of the current government. no way I will be voting Liberal next time. I am ashamed to have been a Liberal.

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      Until Labor gets rid of its silly addiction to insubstantial ‘women’s rights’ nonsense, that cannot be supported by facts and figures – and ceases the consequent war on men and boys – it will never be worth anything, regardless of any other things it may do.

      Same with immigration policy – we need quality and not quantity to prop up an artificial market based on house flipping and building high-rise that cracks in a thunderstorm, let alone an earthquake.

      Similarly, until Labor divests itself of its globalist/internationalist ‘equality for all’ nonsense and its addiction just like the LNP to globalism as the economic future, this nation will never prosper under a Labor government, but will continue its freefall into Third World status, and will go down with the rest of the shite-holes of Planet Earth when Der Tag arrives.

      Lock The Gates! Get rid of all the sellout globalists!

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      Spot on Concerned….agree 100%.
      This LNP govt has corrupted and damaged our society, and we must get rid of them….

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      Under Labor waiting lists will be longer as more people rely on the public health system because they can’t afford to pay for Private Health Insurance because of all the extra taxes they will have to pay under a Labor Government. Things will be so much worse under a Labor government with many more people dying waiting to be treated.

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      I notice OGR that on the over 60s website where you have to use your own name via Facebook that your posts are measured and well argued ( same old diatribe, so very easy to spot). However, here you feel free to hide behind your pseudonym and use words like mongrel. Why aren’t we afforded the same courtesy?

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      Nonsense, OG – the number of people going through the system will not change, since currently the ‘private’ system takes up far too much bed and operating space while the doctors pursue Filthy Lucre…

      All that will happen if the private subsidy is dropped is that more people who currently enjoy the fast lane will get to know what it’s like to be in severe pain and wait over and over while the doctor makes a few more bucks… did-ums…. welcome to real life.

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      Oh – and FTR – I’m not one of those who wait and suffer – I am simply carer for someone who has been through that… and I get as close to immediate attention as possible without paying a cent extra.

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      @OGR. “Labor is worse.”

      Crap. The ALP is vastly better than the Rightard LNP vermin.

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      Dream on, Knows-a-lot. The day of reckoning will come if the ALP gains power, and heaven help us all. The needy will suffer most, sa.ly

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      Liberal, Labor and Greens are all disgusting, and all here need to understand that these 3 have joined together to bring this country down into a mess. Also, be very clear that all 3 of these crap parties have and will destroy Retirees incomes.

      So, vote OUT all 3 of these (select whoever else you prefer) by putting the current MP from these parties LAST in preferences. It is TIME to send a message and get rid of these self-centred leeches.

      And, Retirees, don’t waste your time attacking each other – these 3 parties just love that – while they reap the benefits of disunity.

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      Some of the above posts demonstrate how thick some people are.
      At the risk of repeating myself, “Vote Independent, make your vote count by sending the message to the Major Parties that the PARTY IS OVER.
      Voting for the Major parties will only continue the mess this country is in.
      I believe you may have heard the expression “If you keep doing what you are doing, you will keep getting what you have got”.

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      Whilst you are spot on Knowall the number one priority should be to get rid of the current cancer before it entrenched its developing dictatorship. If voters have not been taking note of legislative changes which the media barely mentions at all then they will have to wear a police state where it is illegal to speak against a political party with the 20 year mandated jail sentence waiting to be implement.
      I hate voting for either of the majors but no choice this time around. Following election I’ll be doing the same as you.

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      The priority should be to ensure neither major party has sufficient numbers to do serious harm, and I honestly believe the ALP is the more dangerous of the two, despite recognizing that the LNP is toxic and has done enormous harm. I believe both parties share the same agenda. Labor just goes about it differently, and I believe in a much more harmful and deceptive manner.

      What matters most is that we send a strong message to career politicians that the day of reckoning has come and we will no longer tolerate their abuse of power. They must be told that they are there to serve us and to act in the interests of the majority and society as a whole – NOT to peddle their own self-serving agenda or to feather the nests of their buddies. To do that, we MUST elect as many independents and minor party members as possible, taking great care to choose our own preferences and NOT follow how to vote cards. And most importantly, NOT vote Green.

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    Doesn’t say much for the alternative choice.

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      That’s thee problem, Old ft. There IS no choice. Both major parties have the same agenda. They just go about achieving it in slightly different ways. Labor is far more devious, but also far more dangerous.

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      Why is Labor more dangerous. Because they actually have a plan to get us back on track. Because they want to remove tax dodges such as negative gearing, trust funds, becasue they want to spend money on education and hospitals. Wow save us from progressive agenda. Let’s stay in the Victorian ages with the LNP. Let’s watch or disabled be told to get out of their sick beds and do a good days labour, let’s tell people to work until they are seventy and let’s not forget to tell those caring for these people they are just bludgers living off the Newstart allowance. Stop the rhetoric spewed from the likes of Howard, Costello and Morrison. Let’s embrace the cruelty of Dutton. Let’s lock up anyone who disagrees so we can keep Australia the pure country without multiculturalismm. Let’s beleive the lies LNP tell because God forbid don’t vote Labor and have a fair go for everyone. Just put on blinkers and believe It is all Labor,s fault!

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      Why is Labor more dangerous. Because they actually have a plan to get us back on track. Because they want to remove tax dodges such as negative gearing, trust funds, becasue they want to spend money on education and hospitals. Wow save us from progressive agenda. Let’s stay in the Victorian ages with the LNP. Let’s watch or disabled be told to get out of their sick beds and do a good days labour, let’s tell people to work until they are seventy and let’s not forget to tell those caring for these people they are just bludgers living off the Newstart allowance. Stop the rhetoric spewed from the likes of Howard, Costello and Morrison. Let’s embrace the cruelty of Dutton. Let’s lock up anyone who disagrees so we can keep Australia the pure country without multiculturalismm. Let’s beleive the lies LNP tell because God forbid don’t vote Labor and have a fair go for everyone. Just put on blinkers and believe It is all Labor,s fault!

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      vote Green or independant. DO NOT vote for the LNP or ALP, send a clear message that the Australian people want the 2 party system gone

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      For one thing, Labor is more dangerous because they are inept. They release policy based on completely outdated figures claiming to fix a problem that no longer exists, and in the process they threaten demolition of the economy. They are far too locked to stupid ‘equality’ theories that will demolish the value of work and responsible living and put everyone on welfare. We NEED people to work and save and invest. It’s NOT a crime. The folk who do it are supporting pensioners and paying for schools and hospitals. Labor isn’t doing ANYTHING to take more tax from the rich – only from the middle and upper working class who already pay more than their share. And when they give up because it’s too hard, there will be nobody paying. Labor wants to demolish the income of 660,000 retirees and make those who retire with modest assets worse off than pensioners. When there are millions more on pensions because there is no benefit in self-funding, who pays the extra cost of pensions? Negative gearing changes will drive rents through the roof.

      Tell me why the ALP isn’t proposing to fix the unfairness of super? A very high income earner gets 30% tax reduction on his super contributions and income and a low income earner gets NOTHING. Why isn’t Labor fixing that? Oh, that’s right. Because they wouldn’t want to hurt their rich buddies. Just attack struggling low income retirees and battlers buying an investment property to try to get ahead and give their kids a good chance in life. That’s Labor’s way, sadly. And promote immorality and ‘women’s rights’ nonsense, and insane nonsense about gender.

      Labor DOES NOT have a plan to get us back on track. They have a plan to destroy the economy.

      Independents, 1984 – NOT GREENS. They are a disaster with their idiotic social re-engineering ideas.

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      I rather thought that Labor was enslaved to the idea of destroying our society as we know it, and then rebuilding a Brave New World of Everyone Equal on the ashes… trouble is… there will be nothing with which to rebuild, just endless packs of wild dogs roaming the devastated landscape searching for some equity in food supply.

      a’s an allegory… think about it….

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      OGR Labor aren’t more dangerous. We at least know their policies up front. Unlike the Liberals who have made changes to people’s retirment with no warning. Abolishing negative gearing for properties in the future which aren’t a new build will not increase rents. Last time this was introduced only Sydney and Melbourne were affected, and then there was no incentive to increase the housing stock. Lack of housing drives up rent. I strongly doubt that there will be millions more on pensions because they’ve given up self funding. I’m self funded, the money is in super and eventually it may run out, but the reason I would never just spend it all and go on the OAP right now is because I would never choose to live on the paltry sum that is the OAP. It’s a minimum standard of living at best. The large sums in super balances shows many others feel the same. The ALP aren’t that stupid, they need people to invest in super, and fund their own retirement. High income earners won’t invest without tax concessions be it super, negative gearing or Franking Credits

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      Some of the above posts demonstrate how thick some people are.
      At the risk of repeating myself, “Vote Independent, make your vote count by sending the message to the Major Parties that the PARTY IS OVER.
      Voting for the Major parties will only continue the mess this country is in.
      I believe you may have heard the expression “If you keep doing what you are doing, you will keep getting what you have got”.

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      Sundays, the ALP obviously IS stupid – or has a sinister agenda that they aren’t revealing. I have not suggested removing the incentive to invest in super – but rather INCREASING IT. The rich get their tax benefit if the system is reformed – albeit slightly less – but everyone else ALSO gets a benefit, so there is far more incentive to invest and far more people investing. A fair super tax benefit would INCREASE investment in super dramatically – not reduce it.

      As for the OAP being ‘paltry” – for hundreds of thousands halving their assets would mean an income of $60,000 a year (for a couple) with full concessions – way, way more than the OAP and probably close to double what many are enjoying now. They are NEVER going to be on the OAP with no other income. But they ARE going to see that their extra savings are of ZERO benefit to them and only being drained away steadily to benefit the taxpayer, so they might as well spend it quickly and have a good time as let the government steal it slowly.

      Financial advisers are now telling people if they have less than $1 million for an individual or at least $1.6 mil for a couple, they are better off to be below the asset threshold, and if Labor get their franking credit policy through, millions more will have a powerful incentive to take that advice.

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      And the ALP’s basic premise is dangerous. They want social engineering that the nation can’t afford. They want to destroy the value of work and increase welfare. Their policies on women are unworkable and absurd. They have no respect for religious freedom or freedom to adhere to traditional moral values – but are forcing everyone to accept their ”new world order”, wiping out personal freedom in the name of personal freedom! Their policies feed the rich and destroy the lifestyle of battlers, while pretending to be on the side of the worker. Such hypocrisy!

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      OMG, sinister agenda! Social engineering. Well, if that’s better healthcare, aged care, education and environment policies. Bring it on!

      I believe if you only receive the OAP you are doing it tough and it’s a long way from an income of $60,000. Those on $60k are part pensioners and I agree with financial advisers. It’s the only answer for people where Super was not available until later in life. The pension is their right and they are partly self funding. I doubt many on this site would support a stance against part pensioners. Those same advisers would also be recommending diversification. If you have your total nest egg of $900,000 plus (to lose the $15k in Franking Credits you bandy about) in Australian shares and it’s purely for the Franking Credits you have a lot more to worry about. Ever heard of stock market crash! How many Australians would be that stupid. 50% of Australian shares are owned by super funds. Unless it’s a very small SMSF, individuals are not affected by changes to Franking Credits. I don’t agree with Shortens policy. I’m glad he’s modified it for pensioners, but your posts are just white noise.

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      We won’t have better health care or education, much less age care when there is no money to pay for it, Sundays. And Labor’s economic policies will ensure there is no money to pay for it.

      Few on this site support an attack on part pensioners, but many are supporting an attack on the self-funded, despite the fact that vast numbers of self-funded have incomes way below the OAP unless they draw on savings, and when Shorten works his evil, they will drain their savings quickly. It is NOT only the very small SMSFs and individuals who will suffer from Shorten’s attack. Large super funds are also objecting and noting significant loss to their members. And modifying for pensioners made it much more unfair and much more harmful – because it now creates a social and economic divide that makes part-pensioner status the only sensible objective for retirees. And that’s going to do massive harm to the economy,

      As for a stock market crash – many SFRs will be ambivalent about that risk because they would have much higher incomes with less assets anyway, and if Shorten has his way their assets will be rendered worthless by government policy – if the assets test change didn’t already achieve that end.

      What Australia needs is an end to the social re-engineering and a return to encouraging and rewarding work, saving and investing. We cannot help the poor by making more of them, and that’s Labor’s goal – and appears to now by the goal of the LNP as well.

      Bring on the independents and end this monopoly by two-parties chasing the same evil agenda for ever

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      The Asset change forced 330,000 people off the Pension. Isn’t that what you’re about. More people being self funded, less on Welfare. You can’t have it both ways. No one is ambivalent about a stock market crash unless you’re very wealthy. You just make this stuff up as you go along

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      OGR you seem to be pushing the LNP fear-mongering agenda with your “And Labor’s economic policies will ensure there is no money to pay for it (health, education, aged care & the environment).”
      The LNP always claim to be superior in economic management, but they have actually increased the national debt AND cut social servies, all while bleating about Labor’s debt (the debt that actually saved our country from falling into Recession during the GFC, like most other western democracies did). That’s roof that trickle-down/austerity is a failed concept. Governments need to invest in their economies, with the future in mind, NOT THE NEXT ELECTION!
      You should see our local Nationals candidate with his rampant pork barreling after the sitting National was ousted by a Green last NSW State election!
      So vote Green or Independent & make sure you put the LNP last on preferences.

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      As for the protection of religious freedom & values, don’t forget that if you protect Christian freedom to brainwash young people in religious schools, you also protect Islamic freedom to brainwash their young people in religious schools. You can’t cherry pick your favourite religion for special treatment here.
      Personally, I’d rather see young people protected from brain washers.

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      HooHoo, I would NEVER consider voting for Greens, knowing their social and economic agenda. Nor would I consider voting LNP or Labor. I will vote Independent or for one of the few minor parties that appear to be concerned with the future of society – if only one or more would run a candidate in our electorate.

      I am not pushing any political agenda. I am merely objectively analysing the likely effect of Labor’s seriously flawed policies. Actually, the LNP’s policies are equally bad. The bottom line is that demolishing the value of work and responsible living – which BOTH parties are doing – will ensure there is no money for education or hospitals or aged care or anything else.

      We need people to pay tax, and we need FEWER people on welfare. The only way to achieve that is to allow people to benefit fairly from their endeavours. We need to encourage and reward work, saving and investment, because it drives growth and jobs and tax revenue. And without that, there is no money for services of any kind.

      The LNP pushed 330,000 off part pensions and made them WORSE OFF for having saved. That is harmful. Now Labor wants to totally demolish the incomes of struggling self-funded retirees by overtaxing them. That will push more people into hardship, slash spending that drives growth, increase the demand on the pension system, and take investment capital out of Australian companies – resulting in reduced growth and therefore fewer jobs and less income tax revenue and less spending – starting a vicious cycle of reduced growth and reduced jobs and reduced tax revenue and more on welfare. The ONLY possible result is that there will not be money for health and education etc.

      LNP slashed pensions, but it didn’t fix anything. It just reduced spending and tax revenue and increased the likelihood that those whose income was cut will rely more heavily on the OAP in years to come, because their savings will run out faster and more yet-to-retire will see the futility of being self-funded and reduce their savings. Labor is threatening to do far worse – and those who will suffer massive income loss will be forced onto pensions. But more disturbing is the overall economic effect. LNP hasn’t highlighted the likely consequences in detail, but financial advisers and economists have, and it ought to scare the living daylights out of all of us. It’s just sad that some take the ”I’m alright Jack stuff you” attitude until they actually feel the pain – and they will.

      As for Christianity – I don’t support any form of brainwashing, but I do support allowing freedom to retain Christian values and beliefs and to adhere to one’s own code of morality. If some want to teach Islam beliefs, fine. There is nothing wrong with Islam, any more than there is with Christianity. It is the practices of certain types of people that cause problems. Christian beliefs do not force anyone to be a paedophile or to condone priests having sex with little boys. It’s the individual priests at fault. Islamic beliefs do not force anyone to be a terrorist. If we have no freedom of belief we have no freedom. What behavioural code or social code would you have taught instead of Christianity or Islam? Communism. Nazi beliefs? Extreme socialism? People NEED to believe in something. We need a moral code of some kind. We need a social structure and laws. Something has to underpin all that or we have chaos. And if you refuse to protect freedom of religion, then you enforce your own alternate moral code – and who are you to assume the right to do that?

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    Time to put the LNP out for a generation to stop them selling off Australia and privatising our assets. Enough is enough.

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      And instead let Labor wreck the economy. I agree with you, Snowwhite, but the alternative is much more dangerous. All I can hope for is enough independents to stop the extremists doing too much harm.

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      Rainey, while everyone thinks within the box, that is thinking there are only two parties to choose from, either LNP or Labor will rule this country.
      There are many smaller political parties who do have the interests of Australia and Australians in mind but very few people who comment on YLC mention these parties.
      We all need to use our vote and make it count the way we want it to, if most of us continue to just tick one of the major parties in elections it will continue to be a two party preferred country.
      That means which ever one of the major parties comes into power they then have the mandate to rip us off as has been happening for the past decade or two and by continuing to thin within the box we are allowing them to do it.

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      The last line above should read……by continuing to think within the box we are allowing them to do it.

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      The LNP has become irrelevant to modern Australia where their 1950’s beliefs are no longer those of the majority of people. Unless they change radically they are finished as a major political party.
      And this present government is the most incompetent and divided in decades, Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison are worse than Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.

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      vote Green or independant. DO NOT vote for the LNP or ALP, send a clear message that the Australian people want the 2 party system gone

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      AutumnOZ, I intend to vote independent. And I encourage everyone else to also. Anyone who thinks Labor will do better than LNP is delusional.

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      I agree, AutumnOz. If you are lucky to have any reasonable alternative to these 3 (Liberal, Labor or Greens) by all means vote for them, however you also have to make sure your preferences do not end up going to one of them in case your candidate loses. Hence, my recommendation – put the current MP from these 3 parties LAST in preferences.

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      And who would those minor parties be Autumn Oz, I am interested to know as when I check them out no one particular party seems any better then the rest

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      Misty there is quite a few, I like Sustainable Australia Party, Animal Justice Party, Health Australia Party, but there is others too, and have a look at the independents in your area, but you have to check who preference votes go to unless you vote under the line and vote your own preferences.

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    Bill Shorten does not appear to have the brains to run the country he is all about more taxes to support as many fringe groups as possible, he will open the borders once again and let in as many scumbags as the labor party did last time all wanting to blow us up, he will increase power costs by another 50 % with his climate warming policies (which will make no difference to the atmosphere) and he may put pensioners on plastic cards to control their spending. There is also talk of imposing capital gains tax on sale of your own house.

    If you look at the talent in his front bench not much there same as Gillard and Rudd had you can name them Burke ,Pilbersak and the likes of Bowen

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      Where do you s amazing statement from Robbo. If you have ever listened or talked to Bill Shorten you would realise he is a very intelligent caring man. And as for opening the borders, I think the LNP have done that with the planeloads of scumbags coming into the country in the last five years. As for power costs Hmm seems the LNP have successfully achieved this – in the last five years! And as for pensioners on plastic cards-hmm seems there are already plastic cards called Indue which have devasted the lives of people for no other reason then to give money to Indue. Have you ever thought about where the internet goes while Indue control the money of people. But I suppose you think anyone who is not earning is a bludger. As for capital gains tax. The proposal is to re instate this on the sale of negatively geared properties. So it looks like all you are concerned about is those that have – not the rest of the country.

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      There is nothing much left to privatise or contract out now. They only have taxes left. You can’t get blood out of a stone unfortunately and most of Australia’s income is now foreign owned.

      Increased GST and land tax won’t surprise me. Revenue must be pretty desperate about now.

      It doesn’t matter which party is elected. At some point we have to start living within a much lower means and that will be a shock to those who lived high on debt for far too long.

      The LNP has been a disaster to local cashflows and I suspect the ALP will finish off the job.

      Both parties cater to fringe groups of one type or another while making foolish legislation that is slowly bleeding the worker’s dry.

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      I think Rae and Rainey and a few others of The Middle Way have got it right!!

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      Robbo your comment is so unfounded, don’t know where you get your facts from. And there are more immigrants coming to Australia legally every year and LNP want to increase it because it is good for business. Check out Sustainable Australia Party and read why they are passionate about curbing the legal immigrants to a much lower number.

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      That intelligent, caring man is unable to realise that women are not short-changed by being paid for the actual hours they work, and their super is applied for the same hours.

      Anyone with a modicum of arithmetic can work out that you get what you work for, and anything else is a free handout for doing nothing. I’ll say it again – will there be a similar outcry in 15-20 years once the handing of women all the fat super jobs etc comes to fruition – and MEN are lagging in super due to being pushed into the low socio-economic positions?

      Will intelligent Bill ever do figures on super and incomes for actual hours worked over a lifetime instead of just wide open figures based on raw incomes and not even relating to hours worked?

      An intelligent person would, FFS, leave super alone until it has run a full ‘lifetime’ – a working life of 50 years or so before jumping up and down about who hasn’t got what and making ever more preferential rules for the whiners. Bill is following the LNP line of Fat Joe, of carrying on like a lunatic about how much pensions are going to cost down the line, without any reference to the need for super to run a full lifetime of fifty years.

      Bill would be better concentrating on getting EVERYONE who wants to work and is capable into a REAL job instead of stuffing about with extra super for non-working women and playing the mindless ‘wage gap’ card over and over regardless of figures.

      Pretty simple, really – and shows clearly what seriously stupid people we vote for, and how they cater for a limited intellect mob who tell them what to say.

      Fat Joe, for example, is ‘intelligent’ – he is just not very cluey about realities.. that’s called sense and sensibility.

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      “Intelligent Bill” can’t even figure out that franking credit refunds have reduced since 2014-5 due to LNP policy changes. Nor can he work out that you’d have to have a hundred million in shares to get $25 million in cash franking credit refunds, and anyone who has that and is getting cash refunds ought to be the subject of a major ATO investigation – not cause to demolish the income of struggling self-funded retirees and push them onto the OAP, upping the cost of welfare and putting share values and company growth and jobs at risk. He’s NOT intelligent.

      And BTW. No intelligent person – let alone politician – declares he will never change his mind no matter what evidence is presented that he might be wrong. That’s a DANGEROUS IDIOT with a sinister agenda.

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      I don’t know how caring Bill Shorten is Concerned I’ll bet the two women he was accused of raping didn’t think he was too caring. Just recently his right hand man from the powerful
      Maritime union was arrested for beating and kicking his wife who was subsequently arrested for drunken driving she blew.28 and had two of her kids in the car, how caring are these labor people ?
      The whole lot are nothing but Bogans .

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      Concerned, I am not sure where you get your information from regarding Bill Shorten, the only person he has ever cared about is himself, yes he might be an intelligent man, which makes him even more dangerous, he knows exactly what he’s doing, so now you will want some sort of proof, well here it is, I was a member of the AMWU when he was the national secretary, I was part of a group trying to save the jobs of ten people at BHP ( Bluescope ) we had an iron clad enterprise agreement, management applied to the commission to vary our award which stipulated how many employees we needed at the 5 and 6 blast furnaces, after almost 2 years of fighting the company with no legal support, we were told by commissioner Connors that we were not putting our argument in a legal acceptable way, we had pleaded with Shorten to give us some legal support, he responded saying we didn’t have the funds, a short while later he interrupted one of our meetings, which I was attending after a 12 hour night shift, he was travelling around the country with his entourage telling us to vote against an upcoming vote on the salaries of the board, whilst admitting that it would make no difference as the vote was controlled by 75% of business leaders, when I pulled him up on it and asked why he was wasting money on something we had no control over instead of trying to save the jobs of 10 of our colleagues, apart from a racial slur against me, he told me to look at the big picture, this was his run up to getting elected. The men lost their jobs, and also opened the flood gates for many more employees to lose their jobs. Now you want proof that it happened, you have intimated that you know Shorten, just ask him, I am sure he will be as truthful as all politicians, NOT

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      Bill has been intelligent enough to bring about the downfall of 2 Prime Ministers, and has manipulated the situation to put himself into the box seat to become the next PM – by default, with a hopeless Liberal Govt on the way out! But concern for anyone else? What a joke! He hasn’t got a clue what to do! He also has a disguising dumb bunch in his team – Tanya (the Greenie with radical gender agendas), dumb Bowen (the driver of multiple election losses – remember he had a 5-for-1 Malaysia solution to solve the refugee crisis, then refused to reverse the Assts test, etc), other Greenie & Globalist types, and so on. The country seriously looks to be in trouble with all of these clueless, self-centred leeches licking their lips in anticipation of getting into power.

      If Retirees want Change, vote OUT all 3 of these major parties (select whoever else you prefer) by putting the current MP from these parties LAST in preferences.

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      TREBOR you seem to be suggesting that unpaid work is not work & therefore doesn’t deserve any of the rewards other (paid) work gets.
      Things need to change & males need to step up when it comes to caring. I won’t be holding my breath waiting for men to be considered second class citizens.

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    The coalition have been a rabble but have still been more effective than previous labor government – I have no doubt labor will win the next election but I also think it will be tighter than some pundits are predicting – labor by 4 or 5 seats with further support from 4 or 5 independents. senate is a lottery and may well be controlled by one nation, lib dems and Aust conservatives.
    I expect greens to lose 2 or 3 seats and if so good riddance.
    The problem if labor wins is that the those who will be ministers have failed previously namely Bourke, Dreyfuss, Plibersk, Wong and Bowen to just name the main players.

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      How have they been more effective, we have a health blow out, an aged care blow out, our debt has doubled and we have little to show for this, we have an increase in homelessness, unemployment, causalation of work, insecure work and underemployment. We have politicians involved in scandal -Joyce, Christiansen, Price, And now apparently Aboott. We have had deaths on waiting lists, over 100,000 people waiting for aged care packages…..and this is better how? And don’t. Say pink batts. We have an NBN that doesn’t work and is already old technology because Turnball tried it with copper wiring. We have the destruction of the Murray Darling. And we have 1/2 a billion given to a corporation to administer the reef with no due process and no explaination. And of course we have Dutton who believes himself above the law

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      Concerned, you have a strange memory of the LNP’s sabotage of the NBN.
      Turnbull, as minister, wanted to continue with Labor’s FTP system.
      But Abbot, as Captain, forced him to sabotage it by implementing the FTN version, using the already rotting in the ground copper cables.
      So I am stuck with the fake Abbot NBN as I call it.

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      My copper cable is around fifty years old – there are several phone connections in the house — only one works, and carries the lot – meaning I can’t even use the the set top box for movies I pay for, since it doesn’t do wi-fi to the modem. And don’t talk to me about drop-outs and slow service…

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      You’re kidding Bob, right. You can’t believe that Michaelia Cash, Kelly O’Dwyer, Peter Dutton,Mathias Cormann, Scott Morrison and all those who assist him and who we never hear from eg, Scullion, Irons are doing a great job. I’d like to know their achievements and real ones, not the rubbish jobs and growth mantra where permanent employment is shrinking

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      Oh, really bob menzies? and this current lot have not failed miserably in some of their positions?, give me a break.

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    Omg
    LNP have to sell everything off to pay for labour’s debt.
    Australia can not afford a labour govt.

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      It’s shown over the last 6 years that Australia can’t afford the LNP. Pensioners suffer, workers suffer, families suffer but prosperity to the top end of town.

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      Absolute BS Labour got us out of the GFC
      Also the Libs always sell off everything and still get into debt — I am over the bloody lot of them.
      This lot have done NOTHING except bitch and fight and rob us blind!

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      English Labour Australian Labor!

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      Both Lab/or/ours mean bogans

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      Bullshit, Robbo. Was Whitlam, Keating, or Rudd a bogan?

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      Yes all of them Knows nothing and so are you .

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      Knows-a-lot, the problem with 2 out of the three you mentioned is that Whitlam almost sent the country broke with the wage increases he gave workers over a 2 year period, had he have used his head and spread the increases over 4/5 years it might have been sustainable, but instead wages almost doubled in 2 years, then he tried to get the country out of the mire by using Khemlani as a broker to borrow money from the Arabs, helping himself to a few million along the way, fortunately the deal didn’t go ahead, if it had we would probably still be paying it off, as for Rudd he was unfortunate due to the GFC, but then the circus that followed between him and Gillard which was somewhat orchestrated by Shorten seen them out of government, Hawke/Keating was probably the best government we had since the 60’s and Howard/Costello government brought stability to the country, then sold us out especially pensioners, Shorten will also sell out pensioners, he can’t pay for all of his bribes/promises that he’s making without increasing revenue, so we will have to see who bears the brunt of it all.

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    It’s amazing you older people cannot break a habit of a lifetime and still vote LNP…. even though the LNP screw your pension which is not bloody WELFARE stuff you over and savings, try to eke out a few extra dollars and your penalised..

    Give everyone the pension and get rid of centrelink which most likely costs more…

    Vote Labour and the LNP when they do get back in wont stuff us around

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      Scrapping Centrelink will put countless part-timers out of a job, and will cut out many women currently part-time there and there via AA who are copping the sweet super… imagine the mileage the ‘feminists’ will make out of that one…

      Every way you go is fraught with pitfalls and dangers, and somebody will leap on whatever it is and point out the negatives of what would normally be an overall positive move.

      It’s like Yes Prime Minister when the PM decides to get rid of tobbaco as a health problem…

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      Vote Labor and there will be no OAP. We won’t be able to afford it because they are demolishing the value of work and saving and killing off the middle and upper working class. There will be nobody left to pay tax.

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    I see those deciding not to vote LNP this time are shifting to Independents and others and not Labor or One Nation.

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    I feel it is time we started getting real answers from anybody we vote for. Being a furniture manufacturer back in the 70’s and seeing what Keating, and Shorten done to out manufacturing back then was a disaster. We lost our Holden cars and all Auto manufacturing then, we lost all manufacturing including furniture then too. And the reason was the Unions wanting such high wages and import duties being reduced. We got back to having a surplus under Howard and then back to bad economic decisions after that and now have a large debt. When are people going to start thinking and voting for good business decisions and also think of the land, not the cities. Water will be scarce in years to come, people don’t want to work for their pay anymore, and every time there is a disaster like fires and floods it is you and I who have to donate to help and NOT the politicians or their policies. Whether it is the LNP or Labor who wins, nothing will be fixed! I must support ONE NATION and INDEPENTANTS so there will be something in life for my grand children to live in this country for. I will put LABOR AND GREENS last

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      A surplus under Howard, I seem to remember, was created by Howard selling off multi billions of our assets…and we rewarded him with a huge pension and perks for the rest of his life.

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      Voting One Nation is a joke, Pauline Hanson cannot even speak properly, she muddles herself up all the time and her policies are a joke, going back to the dark ages. Stick with the Independants that care about your local community if you must.

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      But she knows how to make great Fish & Chips.

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    Don’t think Liberal party will ever get back in as schools are brainwashing students
    Many poorly trained low achievers are getting in to teaching and pushing their views down the throats of students with no debate on issues.
    Most of what is taught is biased towards left.
    Years ago you would not know the religion or political views of the teacher.

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