3rd Nov 2014
Are you a dole bludger?
Are you a dole Bludger?

Well, if you’re over 55 and claiming Newstart Allowance then the chances are that you are perceived to be taking advantage of welfare payments, but do you agree?

Unemployment is rising five times faster for those in their 50s than their 20s, according to The Australian, but rather than trying to find work, the over-55s seem happy enough to remain on the dole, or at least this is what the Employment Department would have you believe. There has been a nine per cent increase over the last year in this demographic, but perhaps this is due to the lack of employment opportunities available to older Australians, rather than them being happy not to work and claim the dole.

Jobseekers over 55 only have to complete 15 hours of voluntary work per week to be eligible for Newstart Allowance and have no requirement to look for employment. However, a proposal by the Employment Department would see those unemployed under 60 required to search for full time work. In a submission to a Senate inquiry on proposed changes to Newstart eligibility, the Employment Department stated, “Given the ageing workforce and the fact that most people aged 55 have many potentially productive years ahead of them, it is no longer acceptable for 55-59 year old job seekers to effectively retire on Newstart while undertaking a bit of voluntary or part-time work.” However, it’s worth noting that of the 45,000 jobseekers aged between 55-59, only 6000 are actually receiving Newstart Allowance by volunteering.

The recently introduced Restart program, which sees employers given incentives of up to $10,000 for employing someone over 50, who has been unemployed for six months or more, has seen only 384 Australians find work through the scheme.

Newstart Allowance is currently paid at $258 per week, $130 less than the Age Pension.

Read more at News.com.au

Has the Employment Department been misguided in its use of language? Should more be done to help older Australians find work? Or do you think that more older Australians than before are happy not to work and claim Newstart Allowance?





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    retroy
    4th Nov 2014
    7:37am
    If a 55+ person can not get work and does not have the assets to tide him over then why should he be called a dole bludger. I presume this payment is means tested so it is not available to any one that does not need it.
    I would have thought that it is far more difficult for a 55+ person to get a job compared with the surfie brigade who have more potential, but prefer surfing at our (the tax payer) expense.
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    11:22am
    Surfs Up !!
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    10:40pm
    Tecoma Bay.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:29pm
    Hawaii on the Dole !!
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:50pm
    Beats Iran on the Disability Support Pension ?
    margie
    4th Nov 2014
    8:23am
    Exactly who perceives the over 55's are dole bludgers? I would venture to say that you would not find anyone who thinks in such a small minded way. Most people of this age have worked and paid taxes all their life, (probably worked since they were 16 ) and as far as I'm concerned should not be getting hassled to find work that is not available to them. What about getting the young 'sleep in until 11am' and 'everybody owes me a living' layabout, out working and leave the older person alone. God knows these productive people are possibly trying desperately to find work and would not have just thrown in their previous job to 'live in the lap of luxury on the dole'.
    Cheezil61
    4th Nov 2014
    6:39pm
    Couldn't have said it better!
    geomac
    5th Nov 2014
    5:37pm
    The young and the over fifty brigade have high unemployment figures but hardly their fault. One is considered too old and the other is considered too inexperienced and both face a situation where there are more job seekers than jobs available. Using derogatory labels does not provide jobs nor acknowledge the lack of jobs in comparison to the volume looking for work.
    Rob
    4th Nov 2014
    9:24am
    From my perspective the rules should be the same for whoever seeks to access Newstart or any other similar government allowance. It should be means tested and should have a mutual obligation obligation built in.
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    9:34am
    55 ?? A mere child !! 15 Years Heavy Lifting left in them !..
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    10:39pm
    Me thinks you are to kind or soft Parti at least twenty.
    Im beginning to think you may be one of those Gov't troll thingies I keep on reading about on this site.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:34pm
    Yeah !! That's Me !! I have a soft spot for them all ! I think they are worth their weight in Cocky Manure !!
    niemakawa
    5th Nov 2014
    8:23pm
    Increase the weights on the bar by a KG a month.
    particolor
    8th Nov 2014
    4:14pm
    News.com.au
    Health.
    Global Age Watch Index.
    Australia ranks outside Top Ten Countries to Grow Old In.
    Adrianus
    8th Nov 2014
    5:19pm
    Why do organisations like this continue to use a mix of old data and new data where it suits their argument?
    It does very little, to persuade those of us who like facts.
    Here's more rubbery logic.....
    “It’s astounding that at first glance Australia ranks so poorly in the retirement income space (but) Afghanistan, which ranks last in overall wellbeing, is actually around 20 points ahead of Australia in income security,” Mr O’Neill said.

    They fail to mention that so very few people actually grow old in Afghanistan.
    particolor
    8th Nov 2014
    5:38pm
    Sorry I thought You needed something to cheer You up ? And that's the Best I could find !!
    Adrianus
    8th Nov 2014
    5:58pm
    Thanks anyway parti, but what would have cheered me up is to know that Australia ranks ahead of Afghanistan as a place to grow old in.
    particolor
    8th Nov 2014
    7:23pm
    Bugger !!! I'll get a story from Your Newspaper next time! That will be a Lot More Cheerful I think !!
    particolor
    8th Nov 2014
    7:37pm
    Here's one !! Budget backdown.The Dailly Telegraph..(Google it)..
    I just like reading the Comments ! The Popularity Meter I call it !!
    thommo
    4th Nov 2014
    10:33am
    i quit full time work to go on to part time after 2 heart attacks and heart failure.Centrelink pay me on average $190 a fortnight,so am i a dole bludger?I intend to keep working,and attend an employment service provider once a month-to make sure i haven't gone around australia .I consider myself lucky that i still have health,or should i have applied for a disability pension?No other employer would employ me as i can't do physical work,so i AM lucky!!!!
    Blossom
    4th Nov 2014
    11:19am
    Like you say, you have your health and I like your positive attitude. Most people will not employ a person who has had a serious illness such as you have/have had. You have to undergo a medical so they would possibly fail you anyway. Many places also have other ridiculous tests that don't relate to the job you are applying for either.
    Blossom
    4th Nov 2014
    11:06am
    It is hard enough to get a job at that age, let alone if you fail the medical. The issue often isn't severe enough to apply for a disablility support pension but employers don't see it that way.
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    11:41am
    I was loading Lead Ingots onto Pallets at that Age with a Broken Leg !
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    10:35pm
    Well I was on the other side of the wharf loading Pullets. with a broken heart.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:27pm
    I hope Your in the Pullet Loading Union ??.. Or You'll be Plucked from the Wharf !!
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    11:28am
    At fifty five or older the lemon cannot be squeezed as much as a twenty to thirty year old.
    Think about the bottom line hear it is called PROFITS.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:38pm
    We want the Very Last Drop out of them Old Lemons !!.. Pancake Anyone ??
    Kato
    5th Nov 2014
    6:42pm
    There be a few pancakes at the breakfast bar in Canberra and they are free.
    Gra
    4th Nov 2014
    12:28pm
    IF the government wants to target someone, how about they have a closer look at those between school leaving age and the age of 25. Have for one moment the drips under pressure in the Employment Department considered the fact that once a person reaches the age of 55 the vast majority of employers just aren't willing to give you a start. Granted, there are some, but they are few and far between and they can't employ all us baby boomers. The government can hang all the carrots they want out there but not all employers are donkeys. It's time people faced reality, not everyone has worked behind a desk all their working life and a lot of people who have done hard manual type work are burnt out by the time they get to 55. Even if the heart and mind are willing to work, sometimes the body just isn't up to it.
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    2:03pm
    They Don't Care !!
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    10:21pm
    except about themselves.
    Make a Difference
    4th Nov 2014
    12:30pm
    I despair - I am 57 years, a lawyer and a public servant who has now been laid off for the second time in six years. For the month prior to leaving and the subsequent 2 months I have made upwards of 15 job applications per week. I never even got one single interview! -

    I am fairly certain that the recruitment consultants now just automatically consign my applications and calls to "can't help". Certainly, within my own profession and expertise, I have now long ago run out of jobs to apply for. I have revamped my cv to take out earlier experience so that I appear to be younger than I am and have applied for all sorts of differents jobs outside of my own profession and expertise. I have even applied for call centre, driver and retail positions. I don't get interviews for these either. In the responses I have had, I often read that I am just over qualified and lack the specific skills and experience they are looking for!

    So long as there is a Government in office which promulgates a strategy based on fear monering and on "cuts", "cuts" and more "cuts" - which the private sector then adopts and emulates, I do not think there is any realistic chance of my finding work.

    I have worked extremely hard for the last 36 years, rarely taking holidays or a day off. Due to personal misfortunes, including family illness, I have been left with literally nothing to show for this, so ultimately I will have no choice but to apply for Centerlink Assistance / Newstart.

    I find it extremely hurtful that anyone might consider me to be a "dole bludger". Until the populace in this country finds the wisdom to vote in a Government that really cares about the people it governs rather than filling the coffers of the already over privileged, nothing is going to change.

    For God's sake, just look at history. Liberal Governments lead to retrenchment, not just in the public service, but of Australia's industry and whole economy. It was Labour Governments that worked and international economic miracle envied worldwide which brought Australia almost comopletely unscathed through the GFC and which allowed for the regeneration of massively damaged areas during the year of floods and natural disasters. New Orleans was not so lucky and is still largely in wreckage. Really, what does it take to make people see sense? Of course these events took their financial tole and hence yes there was some Government borrowing needed to help get over these events - but nothing like the economic disaster (which Hockey has now publicly admitted does not in fact exist) which Liberals claim exists. Ironically, it is their own economic "fear" propoganda which has and will propel Australia into economic disaster. NBN Broadband via "nodes", "fax" machines being the technology of tomorrow and attempting to make coal mining the keystone focus of the Australia Economy, when China and the rest of the world has committed to radically reducing their coal consumption - is making Australia the laughing stock of the world - a real banana republic. Oh and just for good measure, as if our populace is not dumb enough already, we are now going to create $100,000 degrees just to discourage people from educating themselves! Oh boy what a recipe.
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    12:40pm
    I fully Sympathize with You ! Really !! And only 23 Months now till a Protest vote, I can Imagine the amount of Disillusioned Older People they will have by then !!..
    KSS
    4th Nov 2014
    1:03pm
    Make a difference I sympathise. I have walked in your shoes three times and each time it took longer to get a job than the last time. The last time it took me 14 months and well over 600 job applications to score something. In that time I also only had about 5 interviews - most of which 4 years later I still haven't been informed of the outcome!!!! Yes it is disheartening to be told you 'answered the questions at too high a level for the job role" or "you are over/under qualified/experienced". I get it. I do. BUT if you are applying for retail jobs, call centres or driving jobs etc you need to have a different CV and cover letter. Of course no-one will employ a lawyer to do what some may perceive to be a lower grade job. You also cannot rely on recruitment agencies. To my disgust I discovered that a) cvs are 'read' by a computer - don't use the correct buzz word and you get consigned to the bin, b) many of the jobs advertised by agencies do not exist. They are made up so they can go 'fishing' and collect CVs in case they get caught short. You know that when you cannot get to talk to anyone or they deign to send you a letter saying you don't match the client's wishes even though you meet everything in the ad!

    Note the time frame here. This was all happening to me under the last Labour Government. Unfortunately it is a sign if the times and not attributable to Federal Government of any hue. All I or anyone can do is wish you all the best. Encourage you to keep on looking but you do need to apply appropriately for the specific position. That's why looking for work is a full time job! All the best.
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    10:31pm
    Job Agencies are hopeless you say' what about Rehab providers. I had recovered from a fractured neck went through the rehab and wanted a job. The Rehab provider through frustration of not being able to get me employment made up a resume of lies about what I had done and my qualifications. And being the good and honest Christian I was raised to be threw it in the bin. Got on line and found a job through seek .com.au Cost Nothing.
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    10:49pm
    And by the way I was fifty five when I fell off a ladder at home painting the gutters.
    I managed to stay in that job for 12 years and could still outsell the younger one's.
    I was asked to leave because of my age reason They felt it the age was a liability.
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    2:09pm
    Make, your problem appears to be not the government but your inability to get an interview.
    If ever you do get an interview try to keep your focus. If you are only applying for 1 job per week then you have time to do some reading. Read a book called 'looking out for number one' Robert Ringer.


    No, I mean really read it!
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:57pm
    Bob Ringer was true to His Word !! He made a Million Bucks out of that Book !!
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    3:32pm
    Yep he did parti, but he also proved the versatility and usefulness of profiling. It's one of those books that really cannot be judged by it's cover.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    4:09pm
    I always read the last page first !! Saves Time !! And times Important when Your Job Hunting ! Gotta get back to the Couch to watch the Footy Replays and Soapies !!
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    4:14pm
    ok, but stop your whinging.
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    7:40pm
    I'm just saying, make the difference has a choice. He/she can 'make the difference' and do something for him/her self and him/her self's family or complain bitterly about the government. Do you know those 10 two letter words?
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    11:23pm
    So if He is in it He is in it !
    Adrianus
    6th Nov 2014
    8:06am
    Whoa! remind me not to play scrabble with you!
    particolor
    6th Nov 2014
    8:14am
    Yzat ?
    particolor
    6th Nov 2014
    8:17am
    Waddy Ya mean Cheatin ?? That's a word ! Its short for, Why is that !
    KSS
    4th Nov 2014
    12:47pm
    I have no doubt that there are some over 55s on Newstart who ARE dole bludgers just as there would be from ALL age groups. I also have no doubt there are some in the same age bracket trying to get switched to the disability allowance for the few extra dollars and less responsibility (bad back anyone?). Nothing about being over 55 turns you into a paragon of virtue. As someone else said, if you are claiming Newstart then you should be looking for work - any work. And the last time I was in that position (just 4 years ago and yes over 55), 'work' was anything you could physically do not just the field in which you may have worked before or qualified in. If you take the money you play by the rules. At any age!!
    Polly Esther
    4th Nov 2014
    12:47pm
    Well, I could show you a few in my village who have never been employed during their entire life and they are now well into their twilight hours. And are happy to admit to it. In fact according to them you are a mug if you have ever had or still have a job. They have been looked after continually by Centrelink, how? I don't know.
    What does that make them I wonder? Clever little vegemites perhaps.
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    1:13pm
    Not to put any Asperity on Your Comment Doc, but I know the odd Dozen or so ( Bakers Dozen) of that Particular Type !! And happy little Dolemites they are too !!
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    1:34pm
    Make that Unemployable Doc ! I just remembered seeing two of them having no trouble whatsoever loading 4 boxes of XXXX into a Coles Shopping Trolley ! And I said to My friend "Well there goes their Dole for the Fortnight !" and She said "And their Life Savings !! here come the Girls with 3 cartons of Smokes "...
    Kato
    4th Nov 2014
    10:34pm
    Must be a small town. only a bakers dozen.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    8:45am
    I forgot the S !!!
    Bes
    4th Nov 2014
    1:48pm
    The perception of the 'surfie' culture is rather old fashioned these days. The bludger s have moved much further inland and have been nurtured by 'your' welfare system for a long long time. The misguided Howard government 'baby bonus' was a gift to the welfare set! You will see them riding the metro trains during the day. You will spot them at shopping centres sporting mobile phones, tattoos, cigarettes and usually dining on fast food. They are also the most likely to receive a fine for failing to have a ticket. The latest way of earning money over the last couple of years is downright begging in the city. I see the same old faces every day along Murray street (smokers alley) nearly all are smokers and are fit enough to turn up every day and are probably on welfare as well. This culture is passed on to their 'bonuses' (kids). We also have people of certain religious persuasions who have two 'wives' who get around any supposed 'obstacles' as a prevention of gaining welfare eligibility. It is deep seated and will take some tough decisions to cut back welfare to those who are deservedly in need. Also the system itself and it's day to day operations will need to be completely overhauled so as to provide clear guidelines and decision making. It will take an extremely brave political party to accomplish this. As some political party's depend on their 'bleeding hearts' culture to stay afloat!
    Polly Esther
    5th Nov 2014
    12:02pm
    Yes, you also see and are commenting on the things that annoy me, only I condensed my blog a little.
    Please proceed to the top of the class.
    moke
    4th Nov 2014
    1:50pm
    I believe that a 55+ person that is made redundant after many years with the same company may not have the required experience for finding a job especially if the kind of business they worked in is having hard times and that is not unusual since many companies find it cheaper to produce over seas where they pay a pittance to workers. These people are not dole bludgers, it is the over 55's that have in many cases been happy to take sickies and extended vacations and flit from job to job (something available in days long past)that are the dole bludgers. It would seem if the government don't soon do something with the younger generation they will have generations of dole bludgers. Having worked with an institution that endeavoured to train and place people in employment I have heard that there is no such thing as volunteering, if you do something out of home for others you should be paid and they do not consider the dole is payment so they won't volunteer. Being a volunteer my self 75 I find most others are also aged.
    moke
    4th Nov 2014
    1:52pm
    I also believe if the pension was paid earlier and not later, the Sleep late, surfing, TV gazing youngsters could be forced to work since paying pension would admittedly cost a little more the government could do some budgeting HAHAHAHAH some chance
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    4:14pm
    Well I think the Dole should be Payed from Midnight till 1am only !! On Staggered days !!
    That'll keep them outa bed !! .. They'll be glad to go to work ??
    Kato
    5th Nov 2014
    7:15pm
    Mike you are right and that has been my thoughts and dismay to the future of clubs like lions etc. Like you I volunteer in one and we are all about the same age. And guess who we look after. The young ones who should be working. Send them anywhere to work don't go no dole.
    Adrianus
    6th Nov 2014
    7:35am
    In our club we looked after older people mostly installing water lifts etc.
    particolor
    6th Nov 2014
    7:44am
    I think You will have Your work cut out getting some of them to work in the Piggery ??
    baza18
    4th Nov 2014
    2:12pm
    My wife is 64 & on newstart & does her 15 hours (& more) a week volunteer work but she doesn't receive $258 per week! What annoys me is she has to still attend one of these employment agencies even though she doesn't have to look for work, then they probably bill the government for doing absolutely nothing. Centrelink should handle all employment vacancies like when it was the Commonwealth Employment Service & do away with these other parasites who do absolutely nothing. They have been stringing my daughter along for 24 years who has trouble finding employment because of a slight disability but they love people like her because they keep getting them in, do nothing for them & then send the government the bill.
    KSS
    4th Nov 2014
    2:33pm
    I know what you mean baza18. I had the same issues with the agency I was forced to join. They expected me to do classes that not only did I used to teach but that were designed for 16 year old school leavers with literacy and numeracy problems! There were a list of other such stupid things that were meant to be 'personalised' and 'individual' but actually weren't. Eventually I found the KPIs that were part of their contract and wrote to the Minister in Canberra pointing out where the agency were not performing. That actually produced results, telephone calls from Canberra, the agency Manager and suddenly real career advice from elsewhere. However in the middle of them finally doing something I found work which they of course wanted to take credit for. I wouldn't answer their questions so they didn't get the credit!
    moke
    4th Nov 2014
    3:47pm
    baza18 The group I was with has been long gone, we actually had hands on courses with work experience and Instructed people how to apply for jobs. One thing that shocked me was when a men's wear store Wouldn't employ a young well presented and well spoken person because he did not have his HSC perhaps I am to old and did not realise how difficult it could be to sell shirts and trousers. I guess the world moves on.
    thommo
    4th Nov 2014
    3:52pm
    bazza,know where you are coming from,these job service providers,are not doing anything constructive to aid the unemployed in finding a job.It was said to me 3 years ago that i must attend,even though working,"because we know you older people want to collect the dole and travel australia,so reporting stops you".if these agencies are so good,why are employers not listing vacancies with them?go back to ces!!
    Adrianus
    6th Nov 2014
    8:04am
    baza18, I agree with you, those so called employment agencies are just sucking the money out of the government. That industry has produced more millionaires than lotto.
    particolor
    6th Nov 2014
    8:11am
    And the lower down workers dividends are better than lotto's too !!
    Mar
    4th Nov 2014
    2:45pm
    Job Seekers over 55 who do not have assets to survive without earning an income are in a very difficult position. There is very little done to help them and many end up feeling depressed, inadequate and discriminated against. They are not dole bludgers as they earn their new start allowance. Many over 55s would give anything to be gainfully employed and productive. There will always be a minority of people who will try and rort any situation.
    pom13
    4th Nov 2014
    6:05pm
    Things are only going to get worse when we no longer have any manufacturing industries in Oz and the peripheral industries that rely on these industries also go out of business. Where are the experienced car builders, having been in jobs for many years going to find employment! The flow on effect is going to be horrendous. The Chinese are probably laughing all the way to the bank and coming to Oz to buy property as we wont be able to afford it.
    musicveg
    4th Nov 2014
    6:22pm
    If 'Make a difference' can't get a job with the qualifications that he/she has how is someone who has none of these? An unskilled worker has no hope. Until all younger people are employed why should over 55's have to go through all the efforts to find jobs that they are not going to get, what a waste of time and how demoralizing. Much better to concentrate on training up the young and get them working before they hit the downward spiral. But with funding for tafe and university on the decline this will even be harder.
    Mar
    4th Nov 2014
    8:24pm
    Make a Difference.. I absolutely agree with you on the downward pull of this government. More and more retrenchment and penalizing the poor to support the rich. I cannot see how anyone can think this government is for the people. They are in power to make themselves look good. Pensioners, unemployed, students hoping to get to Uni , all are affected They use the propaganda that Labour caused all this,in order to get away with it.

    5th Nov 2014
    5:58am
    How honest are you in loping for a job?
    No matter what age.
    It's all a matter of self esteem.
    The dole is only a last reset and anyone on the sole should be darnedest to find a job
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:20pm
    I went for a Job the other day Sol old Mate and the Boss said ..Get outta Here You crinkled up old Prune !!
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    3:49pm
    Solomon, do you think that welfare acts as a disincentive to look for work?
    Anonymous
    5th Nov 2014
    4:16pm
    Just read my post. jeez - didnt realize I had that much wine last night.

    Yes Frank - the dole is a disincentive - just ask Particolor's neighbors.

    Bastards should be made to clean the streets or pick up garbage, clean graffitti ...in exchange for the taxpayer giving them money for booze and ciggies
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    4:45pm
    Yes !!! Seeing that it was those Heathens that Tossed and Scribbled it there in the First Place !! .. And Id make them Clean it with a tube of Tooth Paste and some Ear Buds !!
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    5:56pm
    I cannot see why there isn't a work for the dole scheme in particolor's street. The dole could be handed out on Mondays after the inspection which should include checking the level of fuel in parti's car.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    11:07pm
    They would OWE Not GET !!
    Abby
    5th Nov 2014
    12:09pm
    The Government should relocate the people to where there is work - look at Darwin only 2% unemployment.

    Why is the Government allowing people with Visas into Australia when there Australians on the dole ?
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    2:17pm
    Our Government is so Sweet !! they are Playing Mr Pleasant in the Pantomime this Year !! Well that'll do for now Abby !! till someone gives the real reason (Maybe) anyhow ??
    Anonymous
    5th Nov 2014
    4:11pm
    Be fair -last 6 years of Labor was biggest disaster and worst version of Labor ever since it was formed. Even the old stalwarts are embarrassed by the inept governance. They have spoken out so its not Liberal voters saying it - only rusted on into denial Labor voters still cling like Bill shorten does - to not our fault. And, now after 1 years of this Abbott led Coalition, sadly it too is heading for being worst version itself imo.
    I cannot imagine what is going through Abbott or Hockey's heads these days when trying to make pensioners pay $7 out of a measly pittance of a pension but not taking super concessions from the very wealthy worth a billion or two, or closing loop holes in trusts, offshore accounts and plain not declaring real income due to no actual reporting mechanism and because all of the socialist and conservative around the world have all won elections on lowering income taxes to the point all are broke in reality and if China called in its loans to US of A they would have to declare bankruptcy which would bring down the whole world and end just about this civilization which is on its way out anyway if it doesnt do a U turn.
    End all immigration is the cry from every western country but are they listening no jobs for all these 30 million and rising seekers of a better life 'sharing' the wealth of the first world as they put it. Too often the welfare wealth.
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    4:36pm
    O ! Well done BigVal !!... Clap ! Clap !!
    niemakawa
    5th Nov 2014
    8:16pm
    There are opportunities as "paid" volunteers in Sierra Leone!
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    3:45pm
    I think the idea of paying employers the $10,000 allowance to employ an over 50 applicant who has been unemployed for more than 6 months is a great concept and it does surprise me to see that only 384 people in this category have found a job.
    Perhaps those who get the interview should remind their future employer about this?
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    4:03pm
    Do You know what 10 Grand is now Frank ?? A Deposit on a Hub Cap for one of those You Beaut Limos You will see at the G20 !!
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    4:11pm
    It's the cost of finding a new employee.
    Anonymous
    5th Nov 2014
    4:18pm
    Frank - lets start a company, 2 companies.
    I'll employ you and you employ me.
    That's $20k for the 2 of us.

    Particolor can dress up and be secretary
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    4:31pm
    No !! You would say ."Do you always wear a Tutu to the Office ??
    Adrianus
    6th Nov 2014
    8:32am
    Are you suggesting our mission statement would be to grow a $2 company into a $20k company and retrain parti into not saying, 'I m 1 r u 1 2 ....2?
    particolor
    6th Nov 2014
    9:31am
    O410E !!
    niemakawa
    5th Nov 2014
    8:22pm
    Despite the incentives offered by the Government, employers just do not want to employ people over 40, let alone 55. There are many jobs available for older Australians in what one could call the "low end" but many professionals will not accept such jobs. ( which is reasonable, to some extent). Provided that they make a contribution through some form of voluntary work, I see no problem with them receiving a newstart allowance. That will at least keep many motivated and improve chances of finding paid work.
    gerberry1
    5th Nov 2014
    9:29pm
    God! What work for the over 50's. If you do not have skills like doing repairs properly around the house, lawn mowing, whipper snipping. BUT - IF they go and do an AIN (Assistant in Nursing course) then employment is there for those who seek it. Have an affinity for those with Disabilities and prepared to learn and do, then this is a good area to get in to. Older people have empathy which majority of younger people don't have and your empathy and life skills are important in working this those with Disabilities. One can work through an agency part time (if you still want that round of golf) and you can majority of times select your shifts. If you can guarantee to be on the road at 6am (that means being up, showered and dressed ready to go) then you will be the first called each time. Some work is there, but you now have to seek it.
    Adrianus
    5th Nov 2014
    10:15pm
    gerberry1, you are right about older people having empathy. There is also a big difference in the workplace attitude between young women and older women who have had children. I would much prefer to work alongside a mother any day!!
    particolor
    5th Nov 2014
    11:13pm
    They are good at that around here !! Seek and Destroy !!
    geomac
    7th Nov 2014
    4:43pm
    I think it would be hard to be a bludger on Newstart any way you look at it. It would be hard work to keep the body nourished and sheltered on such a small income. One slip up and your sleeping on a bench or a car if you manage to retain one from your working days. If some pensioners are complaining about the cost of living imagine doing it on 200 bucks less.
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2014
    7:28am
    I agree. Pensioners have been saving all their lives, but someone caught out between jobs is more likely to have less savings. This is why I think it is thoughtless of Labor and the Greens to introduce 'anti businesses policies' without first introducing alternative options for workers.
    Snow
    9th Nov 2014
    7:25pm
    I am 55 and have been looking for full time work for 5 years or more, without success. No-one wants to hire older workers, even though I have another 15 years of working life still ahead of me. There needs to be more incentive for employers to hire older workers. No absolutely NOT dole bludgers, very hard to pay rent and bills on $258 a week.!!
    Adrianus
    9th Nov 2014
    7:43pm
    Snow, why doesn't anyone want to hire older people?
    particolor
    9th Nov 2014
    8:59pm
    Because they hit the customers on the head with their walking stick !!
    geomac
    9th Nov 2014
    11:18pm
    Frank
    You should ask the employers not the job applicants. They are lucky if they even get a reply to their applications.
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2014
    7:52am
    I'm just saying, if we knew the answer to that question we would all have a job.
    I have spoken to hundreds of employers over the years and not one of them has indicated that it is age which diminishes an applicant's chances.
    Because of the growing costs involved employers are adopting more formal selection processes than was the case years ago.
    Businesses have become more sophisticated in their practises but us job seekers may still have the same approach which worked ok 30 years ago, last time we were looking.
    Snow you would have learned a few tricks over 5 years? Care to share any of them?
    geomac
    10th Nov 2014
    12:42pm
    Frank
    The are many more job applicants than jobs available.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2014
    2:53pm
    They have sold more tickets than there are seats in the Picture Theatre !!
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2014
    3:37pm
    I get it! Like Gough's Memorial. They took 6,000 bookings but only had 1,000 seats.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2014
    3:45pm
    He's over doing a free trade deal ?? I wonder if they are on the list ?? You've got their Jobs ! Do You want the Workers ??
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2014
    3:52pm
    Well, it's obvious the workers here are too old! And they've just had the stuffing kicked out of them with the goal posts moving forward another 5 years! The Chinese were great in the mid 1800's for Australia. I like Chinese, they are always willing to please! Unlike old worn out Aussies who have stuck with the lazy leftists ideals in their British DNA.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2014
    4:04pm
    Yes I like the Chinese too !! And at least they don't try to Mouse E Toong our Food !!
    geomac
    10th Nov 2014
    4:38pm
    The Abbott govt organised the memorial Frank. Which may explain Gillard nearly being seated next to Rudd.
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-plays-musical-chairs,7080
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2014
    4:59pm
    Is that right geomac? I wondered why all those people sitting on the footpath were blaming Tony Abbott.
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2014
    7:21pm
    Years ago I had a night of heavy drinking with some members of the PM's Dept. It's good to see the cultural sense of humour remains.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2014
    7:57pm
    Ghouls !!


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