‘It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them’

‘It won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them,’ says Peter Dutton.

Government going after hoarders

The government has set its sights on people suspected of hoarding and profiteering from supermarket goods.

The Australian Border Force and police have launched a joint operation to catch anyone suspected of hoarding and selling essential items on the black market during the coronavirus crisis, reports The Sydney Morning Herald .

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton believes initial panic buying of toilet paper and other essential items in Australia was sparked by profiteers.

“We do have some people who are profiteering, they are hoarding not for their own consumption,” he told 2GB.

“I think they are either selling some of the product overseas or they are selling it in a black-market arrangement in Australia. I’m going to come after those people, and I’ll give them a fair warning now: it won’t be a pretty experience when we deal with them.

“If people are profiteering out of a national crisis, then they are going to be dealt with.”

Mr Dutton said he thinks a “highly organised criminal element” is behind the panic buying and profiteering.

“And [we] will come down like a tonne of bricks on these individuals because I think they’re the ones who have created this pattern of behaviour of hoarding and clearing out shelves.”

Mr Dutton said the combined efforts of the Australian Federal Police, Border Force and state police forces would hone in on hoarders selling products on the black market and has asked Australians to dob in hoarders to Crime Stoppers.

The announcement comes on the heels of 24-pack rolls of toilet paper selling for over $100 online, hand sanitiser being sold at five times its normal price, and floor cleaner for six times its recommended price.

Online marketplaces such as eBay and Amazon have joined the government in cracking down on people stockpiling essential products and selling them at grossly inflated prices.

Listings for toilet paper, face masks and hand sanitiser on eBay at exorbitant prices would be taken down from Thursday, says eBay Australia.

"Our teams in Australia and globally are working around the clock to manually pull down hundreds of thousands of inflated listings, but are struggling to keep up," said an eBay spokeswoman.

"We urge buyers not to overpay for their essentials during this time."

Amazon Australia has already removed hundreds of thousands of similar listings globally, said an Amazon spokesperson.

"There is no place for price gouging on Amazon. We are disappointed that bad actors are attempting to artificially raise prices on basic need products during a global health crisis," said the spokesperson.

Consumer advocate CHOICE has urged Australian retailers not to take advantage of the COVID-19 crisis with pushy sales tactics that prey on consumer anxiety. 

Consumer anxiety is being fuelled by ads and email direct marketing calling for consumers to “stock up now before it’s gone” on face masks and hand sanitiser.  

“Australians expect more from major retailers at this time. Using pushy sales tactics to exploit anxiety about COVID-19 to encourage panic buying is not on. These are disgraceful marketing tactics”, said CHOICE consumer advocate Jonathan Brown. 

CHOICE cited multiple examples including a well-known Australian brand - Mosaic brands – using terms such as:

  • “Stock up now before it’s gone”
  • “Limited stock - shop now”
  • “Order now! Limited stock”
  • “Stock up and stay safe”

“The Prime Minister has called for calm. We think this advice should apply to the business community too. We need all brands to be responsible and support the community to navigate these challenges, rather than cash in on fear,” said Mr Brown. 

“We're actively looking out for businesses that see this as an opportunity to take advantage of people who are worried – through misleading advertising, price gouging or shonky health claims.”

“This ‘panic marketing’ from Mosaic brands was identified by CHOICE members – they are our eyes and ears. We’re asking anyone who sees panic marketing, misleading claims or dodgy practices to report it to choice.community .”

Mr Dutton would like to see a return to sanity and dealing with opportunists taking advantage of the pandemic may be the fastest way to restoring sanity in the wider community.

“We’re trying to deal with this issue and make sure that common sense is restored because some irrational behaviour at the moment, as the Prime Minister has pointed out, is unacceptable,” said Mr Dutton.

“People who are assaulting somebody or involved in some of the footage that we have seen … are going to be dealt with by the police.

“There is certainly a bigger police effort now across a number of sites where we do have concern.”

The minister, who contracted the disease last week and says he has recovered from the symptoms, elaborated on his experience and highlighted the importance of being tested even if you only have mild symptoms.

“I have had nothing more than Panadol, [I] haven’t had a fever since I left hospital and ... it’s a heavy flu. And I think that’s going to be the experience for the vast majority of people who catch it,” he said.

Have you overpaid for essential items? What do you think of mass hoarders? How much do you think is an acceptable amount to ‘hoard’?

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    notrov
    23rd Mar 2020
    10:19am
    "Home in" for goodness sake Dutton/journo quoting/typist, "home in".
    Wordsmiths unite against the ignorant.
    Horace Cope
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:14am
    From the Merriam Webster dictionary: "Home in is the more common phrase for figuratively or literally "finding and moving directly towards something." Home can be verb, referring to "finding one's way to a destination" such as "homing pigeons" and "homing missiles" do. In the same sense one can "home in on the answer" for example. Hone in is also acceptable but far less common, and comes from the meaning of "hone" referring to sharpening or making more acute. "

    From the McMillan dictionary: "(hone in on something) to give all your attention to something"
    Spartan
    23rd Mar 2020
    5:38pm
    notrov. Seriously? People are fighting in the super-markets, thousands are wandering the streets with dirty bums with no thought of social distancing, people are dying from pasta and rice deprivation (because no-one told them about potatoes) while others are sick from hand sanitizer sniffing withdrawal syndrome; Dutton is threatening to smash our doors down before dawn to raid our pantries and you are worried about the use of the legitimate term 'home in.' What does a homing pigeon do? It 'homes in' on its target, its home! People of common sense unite against the pedants!
    bluezbandit
    23rd Mar 2020
    10:46am
    As much as I think hoarding is selfish and unfair, what law have these people broken to make the authorities able to go after them.
    Karen
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:14am
    I was wondering that myself.
    Horace Cope
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:17am
    Yes, bluezbandit, that's my thinking too. The laws around buying and selling are quite simple, a trader offers something for sale and a buyer accepts the offer and pays for the item. Trade complete, all legal. The buyer then becomes a trader and offers the same goods with a higher price, a buyer accepts the offer..................
    Nose Hair Bob
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:51am
    During a national crisis maybe the laws on this type of trading become different, still like to see it though in writing.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:09pm
    Hoarding is a mental illness and is not illegal.

    Hoarders require psychological help, instead of punishment.
    Eddy
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:19pm
    If my memory serves me correctly I believe the High Court ruled many years ago that price control is a function of state governments not the the Federal Government. However import and export of goods are definitely Federal matters and the Commonwealth Government can put a stop to that. I suspect that most, if not all, states have emergency management laws which may include price control measures.
    I remember an incident a mate of mine witnessed during the Brisbane floods of 1974 (we were driving military truck with loads of supplies into the flood areas) when one enterprising individual with a load of bread and was attempting to sell it at grossly inflated prices, the police had to save him from being lynched. Maybe a little 'rough justice' is warranted now, though I do not advocate lynching.
    KSS
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:31pm
    Hoarding per se is not a crime BUT 'profitering' and 'unconscionable' conduct are punishable by fines and/or jail time.
    older&wiser
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:40pm
    Agree with you KSS - I have no problems with people buying in bulk and hoarding. It is the selling and profiteering that is abhorrent and should be stopped. Like a shop on northern beaches of Sydney selling hand sanitizer for $50 a bottle - THEY are the ones to be targeted. Some shops deliberately withdrew these sought after items until you couldn't buy them anywhere - then suddenly brought them out to sell at ludicrous high prices.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:23pm
    KSS, price control was eliminated years ago. It is now up to the consumer to shop around and find the right price.

    Hence for what's happened.
    hyperbole
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:02pm
    hoarding and selling it at exhorbitant prices during a pandemic (in my mind) is nothing but pure GREED and SELFISHNESS in the extreme!
    ozirules
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:06pm
    Horace cope the laws on buying and selling must have wriggle room else buying and selling grand final tickets wouldn't be subject to scalping regs or am I missing something.
    Viking
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:56pm
    KSS, The sale of goods is governed by two Acts. If you look at your State's Sale of Goods Act it is unlikely you will find anything defining buying and selling at a high mark-up as 'unconscionable conduct.' The Federal Competition and Consumer Act of 2010 does deal with unconscionable conduct but generally only in respect of contracts. As no contract has been entered into until a buyer has accepted an offer to sell, a court would usually expect the buyer to demonstrate duress to either enter into the contract or to buy. The ACCC does say that any trade that may generally be regarded as unfair is unconscionable but I don't recall any court cases when bananas were selling at $15 a kilo in the supermarkets during past cyclones when my neighbours and I were being offered $3.00 a kilo by the traders.
    Spartan
    23rd Mar 2020
    5:13pm
    Viking Its a while since I was involved in legal practise which was in the time of the Trade Practices Act of 1974, the forerunner of the Competition and Consumer Act of 2010 but I would generally agree with your interpretation. There have been several more contemporary examples since bananas. For example no action appears to have been taken by the ACCC against water bottlers who were taking bore water (under licence) from water deprived areas, putting it into little plastic bottles and selling it for more than the prices of either milk or petrol. Hoarding has been a noble practice since before biblical times to prepare for and carry communities through periods of shortage or famines. In fact it is practiced in numerous rural communities today and it is most probably a natural survival instinct. Today we call it cold storage. Squirrels do it and probably so do many other animals as did many of our parents and grandparents. The idea of instant, constant availability of all our needs at a local 24/7 supermarket is a very recent phenomenon and is probably still counter-instinctive to many.
    Karen
    23rd Mar 2020
    9:13pm
    I'm putting together a submission on the lack of an over-arching disaster management body.... deep concern of mine is how much funding for such a thing would be side-tracked into fat salaries etc for seat warmers.
    ex PS
    23rd Mar 2020
    10:06pm
    There is a huge difference between what legal and what is right. if people can't tell the difference, they can't pretend to be civilized.
    This government has perpetrated many atrocities against harmless, innocent people on the grounds that what is is doing has been made legal.
    It is up to us to demand that our government learns what is right and what is wrong so that it can legislate for the good of the citizens.
    There should be a raft of laws that automatically come in once the government declares a State of Emergency, these should involve profiteering and hoarding. If you have stocks put aside prior to the declaration fair enough, but once the declaration has been made charges should be laid for these activities.
    This country has lost its moral compass, to look at an immoral action and simply declare Oh well its not illegal is just lazy.
    Hoohoo
    26th Mar 2020
    3:00pm
    I imagine the majority of hoarders (in this pandemic) are very frightened people. It is the tiny minority who are profiteering who started the stampede and are now cashing in. They are parasites, the leeches of society.
    Similar to the two corporations who own 2/3 of the water rights in the Murray/Darling Plan, selling it at a profit to family farmers who grow our food. It's EXACTLY the same thing, but no-one bats an eyelid at corporations, who are not expected to have a conscience. In fact, their only legal obligation is to their shareholders.
    Our society has lost its moral compass indeed, ex PS. It started long before this pandemic, which will be over before we know it IF ONLY PEOPLE WILL STAY CALM AND FOLLOW THE RULES. NO EXCEPTIONS!
    Hoohoo
    27th Mar 2020
    3:20pm
    I am not by nature, one to be a rule-follower. That is mainly because I think there are some stupid rules. I only disobey rules if I'm not hurting or cheating somebody else, including businesses.

    But this is really different. For once I won't question directives, despite politicians exhibiting gross incompetence and stupidity.

    The border into QLD is shut (only from NSW side but not for returning Queensland day-trippers, after enjoying a surf at Byron or Lennox!) and the QLD idiots are having local elections tomorrow. Talk about mixed messages! There are many more COVID-19 sufferers in SE QLD than in Far Norh NSW. There's no doubt these QLD buggers are spreading it because they're obviously still in denial about COVID affecting them or their families! Selfish bastards.

    Sometimes I think all levels of government should have a sensible, normal citizen VOICE TO PARLIAMENT to help them get real - they are bloody hopeless! State & Federal. Bite the bullet! Close it down!
    jayzaa
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:11am
    Starting with that massive amount of baby formula at the airport waiting to be sent to China. 3 ton on each pallet and there is heaps of them. WHY can't the government confiscate the goods. The airport worker said his wife had to go to 17 supermarkets to get a tin for his baby. RIDICULOUS
    Karen
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:16am
    Free market enterprise in a global market, innit? All the joys of living in a country with commercial open borders.

    Anyone else cottoned on to that one yet, and what it means for Australia long-term?
    Rae
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:32am
    When the Government allowed the sales of dairy processing businesses to China it was obvious that this would happen. These companies pay cheap prices for the milk and ship out the value added produce such as dried milk, baby formula, cheeses, butter etc.

    Allowing the sale of agriculture ad food production to foreign corporations and governments was pretty stupid.
    Tanker
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:54am
    The reality of living in an unrestrained Capitalist society. Certain things can be done to restrain profiteering but not under the political ideology current in Australia at the moment. However in Victoria there are Laws that prohibit "scalping" of concert and footy tickets so why not essentials of life?
    Tanker
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:54am
    The reality of living in an unrestrained Capitalist society. Certain things can be done to restrain profiteering but not under the political ideology current in Australia at the moment. However in Victoria there are Laws that prohibit "scalping" of concert and footy tickets so why not essentials of life?
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:16pm
    Karen, Coronavirus is the downside result of all the joys of living in a country with commercial open borders.

    Commercial open borders are a financial failure.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:27pm
    jayzaa, we have been having business supply China for some time now. The powdered milk is stuck at the docks because of Coronavirus. We have the dairy industry exporting to China, wine industry, crayfish, seafood and etc.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:31pm
    Rae, the Government was very short-sighted. All they could see were taxes and ignored all possible risks and downfalls of dairy exports.

    China has always had the upper hand with Australian business dealings.
    cupoftea
    23rd Mar 2020
    6:50pm
    JZ This government will not do any thing for the people of this country unless they make on it they will bankrupt this country and then attack our super not theirs but there is to many idiots out they think they get some money and they are great where do you think this is coming from they did not give a sh t about a freshstart person where there is hundreds of people going for the one job starve you will work for nothing
    Farside
    23rd Mar 2020
    8:23pm
    ok the Chinese are investing through Mengniu in Bellamy's, Lion Dairy, Masters, Burra etc but they are in no way dominant in the aussie dairy business. Lion's dairy business has been owned by foreigners (Phillipine, Japanese) for more than a decade and is fourth behind Saputo (Canadian), Fonterra (NZ) and Lactalis (French, previously Parmalat which was Italian). It would be simply to work out which bit is Aussie owned.
    ex PS
    24th Mar 2020
    7:45am
    Rae, exporters pay cheap and sell high because Australians have driven prices down by demanding low prices for Supermarket milk.
    Consumer demand has set the price and provided the conditions for this to happen. A good part of the fault is with us.
    We can't criticise foreign ownership when our own companies refuse to invest in local farms and businesses. What do we say to our own farmers and businesses, " Bad luck, you can't find a local buyer who will give you a fair price so youbwill just have to go broke" ?
    If we want to have a free market system, we have to accept the good with the bad.
    We trade at a disadvantage when we trade with the US or China, scale of economy will allways give them tha advantage. If we don't trade with either our economy goes back to the Iron Age. We are not smart enough or big enough to fend for ourselves.
    We can't even work out toilet papercshortages for heavens sake.
    Farside
    24th Mar 2020
    10:36pm
    PS, supermarket milk pricing has little to do with it. Indeed, arguably the supermarkets have provided some stability to the industry. Our biggest processors export about half of their product overseas as cheese, butter, whey and powders and so compete with the EU, the world's biggest dairy exporter.

    The foreign owned processors set the farmgate price, which in turn is influenced by these world trade. The collapse in the world dairy price had more to do with Russia banning ag imports from the EU in 2016, collapsing world prices. This was same time as EU increased its production quotas so the surplus milk flooded onto the global market, creating a massive oversupply.
    johninmelb
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:17am
    If I ever get a chance to deal with Dutton for all the stupidities he has inflicted on Australia since he got into Government, that too won't be a pretty sight.
    Horace Cope
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:19am
    Nice strong words from a keyboard warrior or is that a keyboard coward? Australia is a free country, johninmelb, and you can travel to Canberra to carry out your idle threats or you can stay hidden behind your keyboard.
    Mariner
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:51am
    Well put Horace!
    KSS
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:38pm
    johninmelb, you do know that using a carriage service to menace, harass or offend is a crime, right?


    A carriage service is defined in the Telecommunications Act 1997 (Cth) as ‘a service for carrying communications by means for guided and/or unguided electromagnetic energy’, pursuant to s7 of the Act. In simple terms, this could be taken to refer to social media communications, emails, text messages and calls, and it is important to note that this is given quite a broad definition.

    Examples of such behaviour: a harassing phone call could extend from a bombardment of incessant calls or messages, or offensive or threatening content domestic violence, THREATS OF HARM or incessant messaging.
    Sceptic
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:49pm
    Yes, KSS. There s too much of that on this forum from the keyboard cowards.
    geordie
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:29pm
    You lot need to grow up.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:39pm
    johninmelb, Karma is dealing with Dutton right now.

    You don't have to deal with him at all. The positive thing about Coronavirus is that it does NOT discriminate and it's NOT selective.

    It is a lesson for all people to change their values. Don't be surprised if it destroys Capitalism.
    johninmelb
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:29pm
    I guess I should have known all the ratbags here would pile on.

    First of all it is tongue-in-cheek. I'm not likely to be in that position.

    Secondly, I am not threatening him with violence, that would be too good for him. He needs to suffer slowly so he finally gets the message.

    The only way I can do anything is to be in a position of power over him. He'd be given a job on Manus Island or Christmas Island, cleaning the toilets, and serving the incarcerated inmates so he could get an understanding of what they are going through. After that I would put him on the front line in a Border Force uniform and let the general public do their worst, just so he understands what his troops have had to suffer due to undermanning, and endless red tape.

    So get back in your boxes, as the more enlightened people know, violence solves nothing.
    Farside
    23rd Mar 2020
    8:12pm
    I am not convinced there are many actual keyboard cowards on this site. For sure there are frustrated, deluded warriors far too easily triggered and quick to tap out the words before thinking through their hollow threats. Does anyone besides them really think there is any chance these attention seekers are even capable to carry out their threats? As KSS notes the Telecommunications Act would promptly be all over this if anyone felt the threats to be genuine.
    ex PS
    24th Mar 2020
    7:55am
    Let's not get all hot and bothered, the best way to deal with deceit and corruption is in the Ballot Box.
    But it is not likely to happen, the sheepnwill choose to believe what ever lies that make them feel safe, no matter how unlikely or stupid they might be.
    Thank god we will have the Surplus to sustain us.
    Some of us have been telling people itcwas never going to happen for years, but the sheep will always believe what makes them feel better.
    Hoohoo
    27th Mar 2020
    3:27pm
    Johninmelb has not threatened violence, so what are you others on about?

    The mess or not "a pretty sight" he's referring to might only be a verbal shouting match, hurling abuse. I have seen SO MUCH worse on this very site, even by some of you who have jumped on John.
    Alan
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:24am
    I think this was just a typo as the N and M are beside each other on the keyboard. I am a bit of a stickler for spelling and grammar but I can usually tell the difference between a simple typo and a mistake made through ignorance.
    East of Toowoomba
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:25am
    I live in a small rural community of around 3,000 people and we've had no loo paper on the shelves at IGA for a couple of weeks now. This morning while out walking around 7am I saw shoppers carrying loo paper out of the store, so thought I'll pop back to the store when I get home, but sadly an hour later the shelves were bare again. I asked the assistant when we'll be getting another delivery and she said the truck comes 3 times a week to restock so i just have to wait until the next delivery.

    When I hear on the radio, on TV and read the papers they message is don't panic, we have plenty of everything and there is no need to hoard. Well if there is PLENTY of everything, why can I still not buy loo paper, meat, dog food and milk?
    Rae
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:35am
    Why don't you go to the store at opening time if going later means you keep missing out?
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:47am
    We stopped using toilet paper ages ago now. We use washable wipes instead as it's so much cheaper and better for our septic system.
    East of Toowoomba
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:15pm
    Rae, I didn't have any money on me when I was walking earlier. I had to go home and grab my purse before I could return.

    What are washable wipes? Are they chux cloths or something? Assume you'd need to disinfect before putting through the washing machine. I am open to alternative options.
    clancambo
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:32am
    Two points to make:
    1. Dutton is as gutless as a cooked trout.
    2. Since when has there been restrictions on purchasing goods? What laws have been broken?
    I certainly think it is un Australian and selfish to hoard in times of crisis but this discussion wouldn't have come up if a sensible rationing program had been instigated at the beginning of March!
    HKW
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:42am
    This latest Australian ( ? ) government action reminds me of past times and similar crisis in another country, when the communist government tried to suppress peoples conspiring and criticism. They created a problem to get peoples desperate reaction and requests for solutions. It is the government's punishment of us objecting to ban on cash, mandatory vaccines and the awareness to the establishment of their New Word Order, which in accordance with their agenda 2021 will take place next year. We have only one year left of the rest of freedom that is being taken away from us. Mark my words.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:45am
    I agree none of this makes any sense at all to me.
    ollie
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:28pm
    Dutton is big noting himself there is nothing they can do about people hoarding it is not a crime unless they change the law and this mob are slowly taking away peoples rights and freedom of speech
    ex PS
    25th Mar 2020
    10:59am
    If hoarding to the extent that it puts people at risk is a right maybe it is a freedom that we can do without.
    No rights without responsibilities I say.
    HKW
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:33am
    I would like to see the government members personal bank accounts, garages and cellars and how much money and stuff are they hoarding there ......
    HKW
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:46am
    COVID-19 is Much Less Deadly than the Common Flu

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/dr-brownstein-covid-19-is-much-less-deadly-than-the-common-flu/

    Flu shots - TARGETING THE ELDERLY to save on paying pensions.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:48am
    No it is just a mild flu with over 80% with mild or no symptoms. I have no fear of it at all.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:18pm
    I am going for my over 65 flu shot today. We have to turn into pincushions thanks to globalization.
    Sundays
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:27pm
    I have fear of people who take this Pandemic lightly. The attitude of it’s a mild flu and I will be OK is selfish in the extreme, it is highly contagious, you might be fine. Your friends, family and others you pass it onto may die. Look at Italy, Iran and China
    Sceptic
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:52pm
    HKW, Retiring Well and The Thinker, all I can say is that you are all idiots, and completely wrong.
    HKW
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:15pm
    @ Sceptic, 23rd Mar 2020, 12:52pm

    You are either a paid troll and a brainwashed zombie ...
    ollie
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:38pm
    Because of whats happening in Italy, Spain and other countries i think that we all should be concerned. But lets not forged the normal flu kills over 400,000 world wide every year. And i agree i would like to see these politicians swiss bank accounts anyone that says that these guys dont get hand outs from billionairs are kidding themselves
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:45pm
    Sceptic well time will tell but I know who I'm backing. The flu itself is far more dangerous especially for the elderly etc.

    Did you know measles was 18 times more contagious than Covid-19? No I have never had a measles vaccine but we used to have parties so we could all get the measles when I was a kid.
    inextratime
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:19pm
    All the would be armchair medico's astound me. All the information I have gathered
    from expert medics are saying that CV 19 is ten times stronger than the flu. Frankly
    I am more inclined to listen to someone who has studied and practiced medicine for thirty years than some gung ho armchair analyst who believes they are immortal and know more than the experts. Good luck with that line of thought.
    Misty
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:58pm
    I cannot believe what I am reading here, every day the PM and health authorities are telling us how contagious this desease is, especially to older people and how much deadlier it is then the annual flu, I hope those who think it is nothing to be worried about are sticking to the social distancing laws now and staying home as much as they can. I am also fed up with people coming from the cities and coast to our small towns, in buses, and cleaning the shelves out, and as for what Peter Dutton said over a week ago , well nothing has changed has it, the toilet paper, rice, pasta and vegetable shelves in our Coles and Woolwoth's stores are continually empty because of these people coming from away.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:44am
    When is this utter madness going to end?

    It's a mild flu for goodness sake. Over 80% of us will get it with no or mild symptoms and many wont even know they have it. I have no fear at all of contracting this mild flu.
    HKW
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:48am
    It is going to get worse before it gets better, if ...... it'll ever get better .
    They have something more sinister up their sleeves for us .
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:50am
    Yes I am waiting for it too.

    Heard yesterday that the had called off the toilet paper hoarding but haven't found out what they are up to next yet.
    KSS
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:55pm
    Retiring Well, if you are young, and have no underlying health conditions (such as diabetes, high blood pressure, cardiovascular issues, kidney disease, lung or respiratory tract conditions, imunodepressive disorders, asthma, and so on), then you are quite right with over 80% of those diagnosed having mild symptoms. You can also add that in Australia just 0.7% of those tested returned a positive result and more than 80% of those brought is to Australia either by visiting or returning home or being in close contact with someone who had.

    However, even young people with any or these (or other health conditions) the COVID-19 illness is more than a flu or a cold. And don't forget that should you catch it, you can easily transmit it to someone else who does have underlying health conditions, with potemntiallt disterous outcomes.

    The reason China and Italy were/are so badly hit is because of the huge numbers of older, male smokers (China) and a higher proportion of older people (Italy).
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:30pm
    Yes it is a mild flu so none of what is happening makes any sense to people like me. If you have all those diseases they have more chance of killing you than Covid-19 but the problem is that the stats are being updated if anyone dies with a positive COvid-19 result as a Covid-19 death. That's right people die with Covid-19 not of Covid-19. Why this is being done has been concerned about what is the real agenda here? I no longer believe the media etc and I am truly sick of seeing the same video over and over again of people on respirators. Will Covid-19 kill me? I have no idea but I also know that something else has a far better chance of getting me first.

    My only concern is the mental illness will kill a lot more than Covid-19. So chill out and don't take this so seriously.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:00pm
    Retiring well, I hope that you are isolating. I am aware that there are people that love to spread contagious diseases too.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:16pm
    O don't want to spread it but want to get it now if I have to get it at all.
    Triss
    23rd Mar 2020
    6:07pm
    We hear of deaths from the virus with underlying conditions but I wonder if the victims are on medication and that is reacting against the virus. Blood thinners, blockers and diuretics for hbp. Chemo, statins, half a dozen pills every day to combat kidney disease, liver disease, cancer and the list goes on. Some of those maybe act as an immune suppressant leaving people at risk.
    Karen
    23rd Mar 2020
    9:14pm
    Nor do I, RW - and I'm 70 with cardiac issues.
    notrov
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:56am
    OK Horace Cope, so that use of the the word enterd the English language as the result of Amercans pronouncing the "m" indistinctly. Ignorant journalists took it up and it's been used ever since. You look at and listen to the Orange Monster leading the US at the moment and you want to be associated with the 1500-word vocabulary, if that, which he possesses, then go ahead, be your own guest.
    Horace Cope
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:44pm
    "The Oxford English Dictionary, for example, has an entry that defines “to hone in” this way: “To head directly for something; to turn one's attention intently towards something. Usu. with on.”"

    Hard to admit you are wrong notrov? Your proof that I look at and listen to the Orange Monster leading the US at the moment? Small word "sorry" but very hard to say.
    Snowflake
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:02pm
    I suppose if everyone gets it, the medical system will collapse under the people that will need care, and for many of those that don't get it, they will die. Nicely thought out Retiring Well, maybe the name says it all.
    As for hoarders, I feel sorry for their poor, ignorant souls.
    It's funny how when the bush fires were going everyone was so gracious and generous but now something happens that could affect people personally they become selfish and flat out stupid.
    As for the New World Order, I heard it from the garbo that the Aliens, yes you read it here first, are postponing their invasion for a couple of years in case the Covid-19 they have unleashed on us, infects them. My, my, lucky a few of us know what's going on.
    Bow Maker
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:06pm
    Have a look on ebay, plenty of toilet paper for sale.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:04pm
    Bow Maker, I have heard the Centrelink website has broken down from being overloaded.

    People arriving from overseas are not isolating themselves.

    The major banks are in trouble too. Things are looking bleak thanks to this virus. China should be compensating.
    Misty
    23rd Mar 2020
    11:04pm
    Yes but who is going to buy it at the exorbitant prices that the sellers are asking for?., I wouldn't and postage on top is ridiculous.
    KB
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:17pm
    About time too. Have seen ads on Gumtree on toilet paper for the twice amount that you would pay in a supermarket .People are making illegal profits for a product that customers desperately need.
    KB
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:17pm
    About time too. Have seen ads on Gumtree on toilet paper for the twice amount that you would pay in a supermarket .People are making illegal profits for a product that customers desperately need.
    Dianne
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:31pm
    I received a post this week about a warehouse where containers were being filled with toilet paper and other essentials Destination China. Should be charged with treason.
    KSS
    23rd Mar 2020
    12:43pm
    If you have evidence of this then take it to the police. Otherwise, stop promoting fake news.
    Spartan
    25th Mar 2020
    4:15pm
    Its not illegal to export toilet paper it is not a controlled substance or product. Unless it was stolen the police will have no interest.
    neil
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:06pm
    Our local supermarket has now increased the price of Lavatory paper from a dollar a roll to $1.90 a roll. Good eh?
    Neil.
    neil
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:06pm
    Our local supermarket has now increased the price of Lavatory paper from a dollar a roll to $1.90 a roll. Good eh?
    Neil.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:19pm
    Good thing I no longer use it.
    Doodlebug44
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:13pm
    I received a message on Facebook yesterday from a courier who says he was despatched to a warehouse for a pickup in Footscray. When he arrived there were pallets full of food. baby formula., toilet paper, tissues, feminine hygiene products etc. Also cleaning products, pasta, rce, tinned goods and pet food. Even medicine and boxes of paracetamol/panadol.
    When he asked, he was told they have been packing 2 shipping containers full every day and sending it all to China.
    He has named the Factory and the company responsible for the shipping plus the address. I have sent a copy of the message to Neil Mitchell hoping he will pick up on it. Otherwise, I don't know who else to contact about this outrage.
    Viking
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:40pm
    Our politicians keep telling us we are a proud global trading nation with open borders so that's what we do! Maybe not so proudly exporting loo rolls now. Until export licensing is reintroduced there is little that can be done however. Anyhow, who would want to deprive Potato-Pete of his soap box to send the populace into a quaking dread when it keeps him from turning his mind to more dastardly thoughts. Its Border Force now but Pantry Police, Cellar Sleuths and Larder Patrol are all possible under the Ministry of the Interior.
    HKW
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:13pm
    Good excuse for the corporations to increase prices...
    Just follow the money trail and see ( if one can see it at all ...) who benefits the most from this situation.
    However, from my observations, sadly, not many people use this logic ...
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:20pm
    I agree.
    Andy
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:14pm
    China is buying out our supermarket supplies and shipping them to China, this includes toilet paper, so when is the government going to stop that, please do not tell me the gov. does not know about this, they are sending container after container
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:07pm
    Andy, isn't that where most of our supermarket supplies came from?
    Teacher
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:21pm
    I haven't been able to buy toilet rolls, tissues, long life milk, pasta, or any type of hand germ desensitizer product for 3 weeks now. The 7 am to 8 am bracket for us seniors is a laugh - Woolies have not had any toilet paper on the shelves the two times I went at this time despite not having a proper breakfast and not taking my medication beforehand. On one occasion I saw a big Woolies truck pull into the back of the store when I was parking and heard unloading noises before the door was opened at 7 am but nothing new on shelves. It has been clear to me right from the start of the 'panic' buying of toilet paper that a lot of people will make a lot of money out of that and the words 'black market' came into my head straight away.
    I would recommend to the Prime Minister that they try to get a message about body distance etc. onto everyone's mobile phone because some of our community do not listen to radio or watch TV and don't even personally verbally communicate with each other as they are lost in another world of texting and probably they were the ones on Bondi Beach last Saturday and don't even know what's going on around them until they fall ill.
    Thank God for my Anglican Church who have provided me with a few toilet rolls, but even they don't have a big supply.
    Retiring Well
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:40pm
    I haven't used any of those products for years now. I just can't stand long life milk at all. Aldi's full cream powdered milk tastes heap better. If you have some face washes use them and wash them instead of toilet paper. Tear up and old sheets and use that for tissues. Give them a wash and re use. I can't remember the last time I use hand sanitiser. I use gloves instead. Mix flour and eggs and make your own pasta.

    One only had to look at the Centrelink queues this morning to see that the social distancing were thrown out the window with people lined up within inches of each other.

    I wanted to go for a walk on the beach this morning but it was closed. I just laughed my head off as that is utter madness.
    The Thinker
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:11pm
    Retiring Well, I will have to try that powdered milk. No thanks for the face washer tip. Investing in a bidet would be better.
    Triss
    23rd Mar 2020
    6:17pm
    We’re having local elections this month, Retiring Well, like CLink I can’t see how social distancing will be possible. It seems that social distancing is compulsory for everyone but government departments.
    VerbalVirtuosity
    23rd Mar 2020
    1:55pm
    Yes come down hard on them. Jail as far as I am concerned. So disgraceful, selfish, un-Australian, actually sociopathic behavior! I also am not happy with one of our largest, if not the largest supermarket chain in Australia. We are a 60's something couple, who live on an island out from Brisbane. Our supermarket delivery is once a week and we have to get on-line early on a Fri morning, for the few spots which are available, for the delivery on the following Thursday. On the 28th Feb BEFORE the run on TP, I placed an order online for the following week delivery. A day or two later the run started, expecting to receive my delivery of TP, as after all I had got in before the rush, was very disappointed to not receive any! I would have thought that a very large business such as this supermarket, would have a system which IMMEDIATELY adjusts it's available stock when on-line orders are placed. My complaints since then have fallen on deaf ears as far as their customer service is concerned, they could not care less. Told me to just watch their site for updates. NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Most of the people living on our islands (4 islands) are retirees, elderly, or on unemployment or disabled benefits and it is scary, we think we may run out of food. We are all loathed to travel to the mainland on our passenger ferry service, for 20 - 30 minutes, with too many people onboard for the personal distancing we are supposed to be adhering to! (remember lots of residents with underlying health problems) Local council assures us this will not happen, but they don't have a large war chest to help keep us safe either! Things will change once this COVID-19 has gone, people will cover their bases more and governments, hopefully, will learn and have larger supplies of medical supplies, ventilators etc. I can also see people not wanting to give up, what they have become used to, and liking, is working from home, that will be interesting and more people shopping on line now for everything due to COVID-19, so it may be the final nail in the coffin for retail
    floss
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:16pm
    We had a bus load of New Aussies pull up in a bus at a Leeton super market but were quickly told to move on by the owner.
    B-mused
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:31pm
    It's all very well to be going after the hoarders, who are reselling toilet paper at exorbitant prices, but how does the average bloke actually buy toilet paper, as the shelves are all ways empty?

    Is there a subscription service, that can be implemented, so that everyone can get a regular supply, without having to fight for a roll in the supermarkets??
    B-mused
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:31pm
    It's all very well to be going after the hoarders, who are reselling toilet paper at exorbitant prices, but how does the average bloke actually buy toilet paper, as the shelves are all ways empty?

    Is there a subscription service, that can be implemented, so that everyone can get a regular supply, without having to fight for a roll in the supermarkets??
    Triss
    23rd Mar 2020
    6:25pm
    My neighbour bought a 2 pack of kitchen rolls and cut each roll in half. She’s hoping that will last until the hysteria is over.
    OJ21
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:44pm
    What about the container loads of goods filled by Chinese groups continuous buying of goods from the supermarkets, being sent to China.
    OJ21
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:47pm
    Supermarkets need to limit customers to local residents only. Proof of residency required.
    Misty
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:08pm
    Maybe everone going into supermarkets need to have their hands stamped to stop them going back in and buying restricted items again from a different checkout, some people were loading their shopping trolleys up and filling their cars up and then going back in and doing the same thing all over again, that is why the shelves are usually empty of resricted items.
    floss
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:48pm
    Pigs will fly.
    notrov
    23rd Mar 2020
    2:55pm
    I'll admit that both phrasal verbs are skunked Horace Cope but you should only look to receive your little 's' word when you can prove you deserve it. Selon votre goût, mon ami . . .
    Horace Cope
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:11pm
    Je doute que je pourrais jamais être l'ami de quelqu'un comme vous semblez l'être.
    Viking
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:03pm
    It's just as well we were In The Black last May at the time of the election otherwise we wouldn't be able to afford all this subsidisation of wages for the people the government has said can no longer work due to their shut down and slack border control. How will cheques to the people stimulate the economy when shops, travel, pubs, restaurants and clubs are shut down and we are told if we buy too much at the only shops that are open, Potato Pete is coming after us?
    I recall Tony Abbott telling us 'interest rates would always be lower under the LNP.' Pity we never asked why!
    DELboy
    23rd Mar 2020
    3:33pm
    Stop talking Dutton and Co. and "DO" something, this has been going on for weeks now.

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    4:07pm
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    notrov
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:51pm
    A petty pedant is obvious in the way he smells his own, Horace Cope.
    BTM
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:56pm
    I suppose they will go after the profiteers with the same vigor that they go after the petrol companies who are charging exorbitant amounts for fuel when crude oil prices have slumped.
    DELboy
    23rd Mar 2020
    5:15pm
    Well said BTM!
    Karen
    23rd Mar 2020
    9:15pm
    Yes - they'll be beaten into submission with some harsh words....
    notrov
    23rd Mar 2020
    4:57pm
    Well bully for you, Alan.
    80 plus
    23rd Mar 2020
    5:18pm
    since when has the ability to corner the market and sell goods at an inflated price been a crime, immoral yes but a crime?, those that have will get more those that have nothing will get less, that is what free enterprise is all about, send the weakest to the wall
    Viking
    23rd Mar 2020
    6:21pm
    If Potato-Pete had spent more time on ensuring his Border Force had implemented a CONSISTENT border policy from the very start instead of threatening shoppers, we may not be in this mess with its human, medical and financial implications right now. Gratuitous waffling lectures by the man who constantly puts himself and family first are equally unwelcome.
    cupoftea
    23rd Mar 2020
    6:26pm
    Am I a hoarder because if I see some thing at 1/2 price I buy 2 or even 4 you call it what you like I call it looking after the pennies the pounds will look after them self's this government are the hoarders of some one else's money
    Viking
    23rd Mar 2020
    8:08pm
    Cup of tea, everyone with any sense does it. Hoarding has occurred since pre biblical times and it is probably one of the practices that separates civil society from nomads and pre-historic man. Farming involved cultivation and storing of produce for leaner times. Today we cal it bulk storage, silos or cold storage. How do people explain how cold climate communities survived from summers to winters? We would be more than disappointed if we couldn't buy bread year round if wheat wasn't stored for out of season use.
    DELboy
    24th Mar 2020
    9:45am
    You do,what I do through out the year, which makes sense, and it keeps my cupboards,freezers etc. stocked, but this panic buying is just taking out of the hands of aged , disabled people, who can't get to supermarkets to handle large trolleys of toilet paper,
    CRACK DOWN on these lowdowns.
    cupoftea
    23rd Mar 2020
    6:32pm
    And as for the people who are buying Paper towels and wipes that flush, do not break down in the sewage system and just block it the plumbers are rubbing there hands
    bobm
    23rd Mar 2020
    7:24pm
    Will this crack down include the DIGOES who also take all the baby milk then send to China???????.
    I hope they do catch them with regards the items as show.
    Try the fresh fruit and vegies just happened to rise in price since last week. Lettuce 2.99ea when .99 last week, Broccoli 99cents Sunday up to 2.99each, Tomatoes last week prepacked at 1.99 Kg today 3.99 for the same item.
    This some of the items you don't have a choice as all the frozen vegies are gone.
    Well done for those who are the ME group. I'm alright up you jack
    Viking
    23rd Mar 2020
    8:48pm
    Think yourself lucky bobm. Today our local Woollies tomatoes $9.90 a kilo, broccoli out of stock but $9.99 a kilo last week, beans $12.00 and bananas from 5km up the road $4.90 per kilo. I can't wait for them to announce their profit at the end of the season but that's the basis of our society, just like in politics the spoils go to the highest bidder.
    cupoftea
    23rd Mar 2020
    8:08pm
    bobm That is just how this government thinks they run this country as a firm (bank) and not as a country they are the board of directors so they must have there bonus every year we have no say
    Karen
    23rd Mar 2020
    9:11pm
    Shonky advertising - eBay had a 48 pack online for $3.99 - when you go to it, a 48 pack costs $84+ - nearly $2 a roll .. it's the 4 (or whatever) pack that costs $3.99 ( might've been a 2 pack or a single roll).
    aussiecarer
    23rd Mar 2020
    9:33pm
    A friend sent me this. I hope the eastern states police are investigating it...
    This is not second hand news or something that was heard from someone else!! This is first hand news straight from myself to u!!

    So today on my journey around our great city of Melbourne picking up exports and imports delivering them all off to where they need to go. I got sent a job, a pick up for export at a small factory in footscray/yarraville area.

    Company details:
    TT EXPRESS
    Factory 35/131 Hyde Street, Footscray

    When i got there i could not believe my eyes the hole factory is full with our food!! THATS RIGHT PEOPLE!! All the rumours u may have heard about Chinese people buying up all our stock from super markets well its not a rumour!! Its TRUE...... The hole joint was full of repacked boxes of BABY FORMULA, TOILET PAPER, PALLETS OF HAND SANITIZER, TISSUES, FEMININE HYGIENE PRODUCTS and thats just a start!! They had everything from cleaning products to food pasta, rice, tinned goods, pet food even medicine and boxes of paracetamol/panadol!! When i asked the asian guy told me they have been packing 2 shipping containers full everyday and sending it all back to China!! And the company responsible for shipping it all is a company called
    Freight Net
    factory 9c international square
    in tullamarine.
    Share the shit out of this people get the word out there this kind of thing needs to stop!!
    Misty
    24th Mar 2020
    12:32pm
    Get in touch with the Home Affairs Minister and see if he can put a stop to this or maybe put you in touch with the right dept who can.
    johninmelb
    24th Mar 2020
    6:23pm
    I suspect this is fake news.

    I got the facebook post and just dismissed it as I do all other such rubbish.

    If this was true, the newspapers and television would have been all over it by now, given the current climate. A story like this would be absolute gold for them.

    But there has been nothing, not a word. No-one is going to keep this secret, so I think we can safely assume it is is fake news.

    The owner of the ABN for TT Express is Vietnamese, not Chinese, and his registration shows his principal place of business is St Albans, not Footscray.
    Viking
    24th Mar 2020
    8:06pm
    Johninmelb. The reason is because unless the government changes the law and reintroduces export licensing as it does on controlled items such as kangaroo meat, wildlife and defence equipment they are acting completely within the law unless they are sourcing the products illegally which is unlikely in those quantities.
    Our government seems happy enough to allow the sale of our crown jewels to foreign companies, this is one of the side effects combined with our liberal export legislation.
    Misty
    25th Mar 2020
    1:25am
    Well from his own mouth the PM said this is true, people are stocking up to send all these items overseas and now thw police and border force are investigating, the PM also said this is outside of the noemal trading laws and people who are doing this will be prosecuted.
    Viking
    25th Mar 2020
    10:37am
    Misty, the PM said what is true and what specifically is outside normal trading laws? The PM is an over inflated balloon full of hot air, he makes a lot of noise when it comes out and then all goes flat. Don't hold your breath on any prosecutions. Have you heard of or seen any 14 year sentences or any sentences at all for starting bush fires yet even from previous years? Even the Gestapotato has gone quiet on his raids on shoppers. I expect he's got his troops doing metadata checks on Woollies and Coles loyalty cards to see who is betraying their loyalty and cross shopping for loo rolls.

    We all know what needs to be done, an almost total shutdown including all ports should have been instigated two weeks ago. Anyone stupid enough to go overseas on holiday since February should either be shut out or put in compulsory isolation at their own cost. Like Singapore and Taiwan we need temperature checks on all people moving around including schools but as always its half hearted measures because we have gutless politicians looking for popularity. We are told masks don't work only because we don't have any but why then is the government wasting money buying 50 million of them from overseas if they are ineffective? Why has our own industrial capacity been so decimated that we can't even make paper masks, that work? Yes as Tony Abbott said, interest rates will always be lower under the LNP but he never said why but now we know!
    Spartan
    25th Mar 2020
    4:07pm
    Misty, from where do you get your inaccurate information? Viking is correct. Here is an example of a South Australian company legally exporting hand sanitizer to China https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/importing-and-exporting/coronavirus-export-boom-sanitiser/ and equally there are no controls on the export of toilet rolls (or baby formula), in fact Australia is a net importer of toilet paper, the main supplier of toilet paper beyond our domestic supply is China.
    We all know that Morrison will say anything for domestic consumption but at present there are no laws or regulation to prevent the legitimate export of hand sanitizer, baby formula or toilet rolls from Australia. Just because there is a shortage in Australia does not prevent legal export. Lamb is in short supply and prices have skyrocketed but we are still exporting thousand of sheep when available and sheep meat to other countries. Please let us know when you hear of the prosecutions and on what grounds but realistically its unlikely that two container loads a day were stolen so are probably quite legal.
    Misty
    25th Mar 2020
    4:29pm
    Mondo I am only repeating what I saw and heard the PM say on Sky News, ring them or Google and see what info you get
    Misty
    25th Mar 2020
    4:31pm
    Thes are not normal trade times Mondo and the PM said different laws will apply now.
    Misty
    24th Mar 2020
    12:40am
    So much for common sense and not hording, there was even a que outside our butcher shop today and apparently you cannot buy a freezer in our town either, people stocking up and feezing stuff I expect.
    Budge
    24th Mar 2020
    9:34am
    This over shopping mentality in greedy hoarders etc in fact greatly increases shopping time and thus potential virus contact time for the normal shoppers, as it forces the rest of us to have to visit many stores to get our essential goods and with rationing, even the four cans of pulse veggies needed to boost two healthy casseroles and soups become an exercise in potentially increased contact with the virus.
    I really do not want to go shopping again as I feel safer at home! But the greedy don’t care about anyone but themselves.
    Viking
    25th Mar 2020
    10:45am
    ABC radio reported there were city buses full of shoppers out as far as the Western NSW town of Parkes raiding supermarkets and police were called. At least we know who are doing the panic buying, city people who buy hand to mouth and don't prepare for emergencies.
    Cat
    24th Mar 2020
    9:49am
    People who are so concerned about having a stockpile in case of an event like this would already have a stockpile, they don't wait for the event to be upon them and then panic buy. That is why I think this hoarding is mostly being done by exploiters or criminals. There needs to be a law against this kind of deliberate hoarding for the purpose of exploitative re-selling at inflated prices because of the civil unrest it causes.
    DELboy
    24th Mar 2020
    10:43am
    Cat your point is interesting.
    Viking
    24th Mar 2020
    8:43pm
    Cat, you are right, it's easy enough for city folk who are used to availability daily 24/7 or meals in cafes to complain about hoarding but those of us who live far from the big cities or those who have experienced supply shortages in the past maintain regular backup supplies of nearly everything including even power and water and don't need to panic buy when the poo hits the fan. The shortages first occurred in the major city 'Express' supermarkets which appeared on TV and then spread to the suburbs. Our nearest regional supermarkets are generally still quite well stocked because of this thrift despite raids from the city hoards. Due to many life experiences we decided to invest in our own self reliance and self sufficiency without panic buying. and if others choose not to they face the consequences but these are not created or exacerbated by people in the bush from where your food comes.
    ex PS
    25th Mar 2020
    11:15am
    Cat, we haven't had to worry about buying toilet paper or grocery essentials because we have a pantry that we stock when items are on special, they are generally on special because there is a special production run or a market glut.
    This is very different to panicking and buying items you probably don't even need. We are now reaching a point where some items are getting low and there may be no opportunity to replenish them, I thought things would have normalized by now.
    I would like to think your theory is right and that most Australians try to do the right thing and it is a low life criminal element that is causing problems.
    disillusioned
    24th Mar 2020
    4:47pm
    They're flogging off toilet paper on ebay! Who's stopping them doing that???
    Misty
    25th Mar 2020
    1:26am
    Ebay is removing overpriced items from their website they said.
    ex PS
    25th Mar 2020
    11:17am
    We can stop them, just refuse to pay their price.
    ex PS
    26th Mar 2020
    10:14am
    As far as morons trying to make a fortune flogging of toilet paper. and essentials at blacmarket prices.
    Someone should be keeping a list, all of us should be keeping a list.
    This will stay with those parasites long after the virus has moved on. Imagine someone going for a job and having their advertisement for over priced essentials presented to the prospective new boss.
    Karma can be a bitch.
    Kancho
    26th Mar 2020
    5:09pm
    There’s a big warehouse in Melbourne full of stuff that’s going overseas for huge profits Kancho
    Kancho
    26th Mar 2020
    6:01pm
    Well it’s closed it’s boarders but not most of its people we had to go for our Flu injections inside the Shopping Center at Runaway Bay Qld, we couldn’t believe how many people there was it was nearly like a normal day,I you can understand why when all the shops are open, who needs to buy Clothes, Shoes,Jewellery right now especially if you flipping dead.Wake Up Queensland and Australia or you might be, the Government and the QLD needs to do more but that won’t happen I suppose until after the so called local Elections where you can get fined if you don’t Vote while all the time you could be getting or giving the Coronavirus to others Jeez look at all the country’s in Europe, China has managed to stop it spreading now they’ve bought all the companies of the stock market at a low low price so they can Own Us,their Prime Mister went around Wuhan the worst effected area with just a small face mask on while everyone who was on the front line wore full suits of White, hooded face masks, gloves and the everything possible he walks around with just his little face mask on, Umm I wonder how he can do that Yep you guessed it they’ve already got a injection for it any time soon well of course a few thousand people don’t matter in the scheme of things and the Virus came out of their own Bioweapon facilities just outside Wuhan province, and how many people in the whole city of Beijing got oh well your getting the picture Kancho
    Willfish
    27th Mar 2020
    9:24am
    Can we expect that the hoarders will get a gentle smack on the back of the hand and a few stern words, or will it be real punishment instead?
    ex PS
    27th Mar 2020
    12:13pm
    Untill you make it illegal, you can't prosecute people for being selfish idiots.
    What should be illegal is profiteering by hoarding essential goods during times of National Emergency.
    Australians are obviously too stupid to run their own lives, they need the Nanny State to make decisions for them.
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    Viking
    27th Mar 2020
    3:24pm
    Ex PS Who is a selfish idiot or stupid?? Have you ever thought about what you are saying? Have you ever thought that the people who in your words are stock-pilers are in fact the people who don't need a Nanny State, can live frugally, have saved over their lives to provide for themselves and have used some of that money and the same philosophy over time to put in reasonable provisions to tide them over an emergency? We don't need to rush to the supermarket or chemist, to panic buy because we have provided for ourselves when everything is plentiful so we are not now queuing at Centrelink or the supermarket so that others who can't think in front of the next meal can? I grow plenty of fresh food which I give to friends and neighbours, I have shared scarce items with neighbours when they need them. If people are short of toilet paper all they need to do is cut up an old towel and use that and wash it in a bucket, it's their sh*t nobody else's. If we had more people in this country who took care of themselves, planned and provided for themselves, their emergencies and their future we wouldn't have people like you whinging because somebody else didn't provide for you.
    Spartan
    27th Mar 2020
    4:41pm
    Viking, three cheers for someone with a backbone who plans and provides for himself to stand up against these whingers!
    ex PS
    28th Mar 2020
    9:11am
    The people like myself who have put aside three or four packs while goods are on special have no need for the help of ofhers yet.
    But we may be in trouble in a fesw weeks time because idiots have panicked and filled there spare rooms with something that they don't really need. The shortage has been created by those who have panicked, not those who have ensured they have a reasonable supply in reserve.
    People who are stockpliing with the idiotic idea that they will corner the market and become rich are morons.
    The shortages have been caused by idiots racing out and buying every thing they can get their hands on without any thought, not by people who have been stocking up over months.
    I think about what I write, unfortunately some people son't consider what they read.
    You can be prepared withojt building a bunkervand filling it up with stuff you probably won't even need and there is no excuse for taking something you don't even need from those who can't afford to buy in bulk or can't get to the shops before the vultures.
    Lack of funds or opportunity does not constitute lack of planning.
    Blinky
    29th Mar 2020
    11:39am
    The only language these crooks understand is: JAIL

    Put them behind bars x a mandatory 6 month term, no parole!
    Blossom
    30th Mar 2020
    3:02pm
    The price of "fresh" fruit and vegetables have gone through the roof. Over $1.00 for one onion for a special (didn't think it would be that expensive). A cauliflower $8.00, tomatoes and lettuce suddenly double price. We don't know how long some the produce has been in coolrooms on growers' properties before going to wholesale or retail locations. Believe me, some growers do store some types of produce in their own coolrooms Frozen food is also hard to get at some supermarkets.
    Misty
    30th Mar 2020
    3:25pm
    Yes and even tinned vegies are limited to 2 per person, even if they are different


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