Premier gets down and dirty

Premier O’Farrell uses the rude finger to silence the Opposition.

Premier gets down and dirty

Yesterday the NSW Premier, Barry O’Farrell, was accused by State Opposition Leader John Robertson of being one of Tony Abbott’s lap dogs. Mr. O’Farrell’s reply was to stick up his middle finger at his accuser. But he wasn’t about to admit to flipping the bird at his political rival, allowing his office to declare that he was indicating Mr. Robertson had not stuck to his one allotted question, instead asking two.

It was a lively session of the NSW State Parliament with another member sent out for taking photos and the Deputy Premier Andrew Stoner asking of the speaker, "Why don't you grow some, pal?" And they say Federal Parliament has lost its way?

Mr. Robertson accused the Premier of arrogance, commenting rather mildly, "What you see is a Premier who doesn't behave the way you'd expect a premier of NSW to behave.

Read more on the ABC

Opinion: Time for action

So how should a Premier behave?

Is ‘flipping the bird’ really that bad?

We have had a lot of commentary on the slipping of standards in the Federal Parliament, in particular during the minority government led (mostly) by ex-PM Julia Gillard. In fact Mr. Abbott has suggested that Ms. Gillard was responsible in some way for the decline in the members’ behaviour, an accusation vigorously denied by members of the government who believe Mr. Abbott and his followers are to blame.

And now we have riotous scenes in the NSW Parliament and a lack of respect shown by no less a person than the Premier himself.

Are these the politicians we deserve?

Or are they a pale imitation of the leaders we desperately need?

Does using the rude finger really matter that much?

Or is it further evidence that we are all going to hell in a hand basket?

Clearly there are no right or wrong answers to the above questions. It’s a matter of opinion, and your opinion is probably heavily influenced by your age and upbringing. We have always had strong emotions and forceful debate in our parliaments. But there does need to be a line and that line seems to have shifted dramatically, with personal insults now the order of the day in Question Time.

What to do?

Well we actually don’t have to put up with this circus. If you are unhappy with your local representative – be they a state, federal or local government member – then why not phone them or write to them and tell them so? And while you are at it, ask them if they are planning on lifting their standard of behaviour? I’m serious. If we all did it, we could have a huge impact on our politicians and their behaviour far more effectively than the speakers of the house seem to.

What about you? Do you think our pollies have gone too far? Or has Kaye simply lost her sense of humour and tolerance for a good old Aussie dustup?





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    Foxy
    28th Aug 2013
    10:50am
    ...."flipping the bird" - totally unprofessional for a politician - but then O'Farrell's a bit of a bogan anyway - not much class!!!! Our politicians need to enrol in "The Obama Seminar of Etiquette and Public Relations" ....might learn something!
    Pommy
    28th Aug 2013
    11:13am
    "flipping the bird" is unprofessional. However, I wonder if this act would have become newsworthy if Premier O'Farrell hadn't, quite rightly, embarrassed PM Rudd regarding moving the Navy from Garden Island to Queensland? It seems to me that this is just a means of attacking the credibility of the Premier in order to deflect the highhanded statement by the PM, which had not even been discussed with the NSW Premier. It's all political flim flam.
    surfer
    28th Aug 2013
    11:49am
    I agree Pommy. O'Farrell put the garden gnome in his place over the shifting of the navy to Brisbane and rightly so. What a repugnant little man Krudd has become as his defeat looms. Like a fart in a bottle. Zipping here and zipping there. Telling lies and squandering more billions.
    Golfer
    28th Aug 2013
    11:27am
    If you inherited a bankrupt economy and a corruption tainted party from Robertson's cohorts you'd probably do more than flip the bird!
    heyyybob
    28th Aug 2013
    11:28am
    C;mon Ozzie !! We have to get over this weird 'thing' we have about politicians :( They are NOT a special breed of humanity they are ONLY elected politicians. Unfortunately for us and our (Australian) image only a small number are worthy of admiration and this applies to all parties. Maybe we simply get what we deserve/vote for ;) Occasionally there is an outstanding one but, generally, I think they are pretty 'Hohum' and Humdrum :( How can we attract more men and women of integrity, honesty and worthy of our admiration, to represent us in our Government ?
    surfer
    28th Aug 2013
    11:44am
    My suggestion is to cut the numbers dramatically, then any future pollie has to pass a suitable test to show if he has enough grey matter for the job. With the salary and entitlements, surely we are entitled this minimum requirement. This country is top heavy with Chiefs (running around chatting on mobiles) and not nearly enough indians. Get rid of a lot of this dead wood.
    heyyybob
    28th Aug 2013
    1:13pm
    Could work, cutting the numbers would make it a little more competitive in the nomination fields. However, I do think we (or the different Partys) will have to come up with a more stringent screening of applicants and tests (or whatever) to prove their worth. It would be a start. We Australians have to become more passionate about our politics and engage more with the various factions. I like to look of the newer and younger generation movements that are starting.
    Oldie87
    28th Aug 2013
    11:51am
    Why pick an politicians ?
    I bemoan the general lack of civilities these days, like when I hear the F word on the ABC, politeness ? what is that? and so much more . It's all in the spirit of the times we live in.
    Just look at tube comments made on this website relating to "what older Australians want" or "Team Tony's positive mantra" and you will see what I mean.
    surfer
    28th Aug 2013
    12:03pm
    I pick on them because they are supposed to be looking after our money and efficiency has gone out the window as has appreciation of the value of money. They can only think in billions now days. If OZ businesses were run like parliament they would all go broke. What a bloody useless lot. Record earnings from mining and a debt of close to 400 billion. Do you need to know any more. That disaster only took six years from a credit of 20 billion. Wake up Australians and stop listening to the lies of an unstable dickhead that has caused all this to happen.
    Oldie87
    28th Aug 2013
    1:17pm
    surfer I could not agree more with you.
    Cheer up, this lot will gone shortly. But I do feel sorry for Abbot's crew having to fix this bloody mess.
    Foxy
    28th Aug 2013
    2:01pm
    ...what about Clive Palmer on "Lateline" ABC last night???? Whilst being interviewed regarding his policies etc. he dropped the words "bullshit" and "crap" - he got quite needled actually - maybe he should have walked off "flippin' the bird" - lol lol ......
    Oldie87
    28th Aug 2013
    2:13pm
    A pity I didn't stay up for this. I would have liked to listen to Palmer. Most times I have no idea what he is on about. But you get what I mean about civility. Even the ABC lets this garbage through. Cheers Foxy
    MITZY
    28th Aug 2013
    4:27pm
    Oldie80: I don't feel one bit sorry for Abbott or his crew. It's only them lambasting all the time putting the fear of God into everyone. If you hear the same stories often enough, you'll start to believe them. The world wishes they were us and we have an Opposition in complete contrast. Anyhow, I like Barry O'Farrell and as I said a couple of weeks ago its nice to have a Premier and Party getting on with the job and not being "in our face" every single hour or every single day. NSW is starting to steam ahead under Barry O'F.
    Foxy
    28th Aug 2013
    5:09pm
    Egyptian - yeahhhhhh - full steam ahead to Qld. or NT - we need our ships/navy up on the top end - if "shit happens" we there!!! Never mind having x number of hours from NSW to get to NT - we give Indonesia mega bucks in Foreign Aid - they have a military budget that makes ours here in Australia - a laughing stock! ....and we give them aid??????? JOKE !!! Freakin' JOKE !!! Arrgghhhhh.......
    MITZY
    29th Aug 2013
    4:08pm
    Foxy why did you rant at me? I never mentioned anything of what you are saying above. Are you another one of those empty vessels making the most noise?
    Andy
    28th Aug 2013
    12:13pm
    the old time, lets abuse each other(look like we do something) then go to pub drink up.laugh at coments made to each other, time is over, Australian workers are now very heavy taxed, thanks to politicans who think of them self (I need more money) I know where and how to get it ,they (the people of Australia)carent stop it ha ha ha. Let them try,I make new tax law.Panokico nose Gillard.What about the pensioners, stuff them, carent get much more out of them. Better off with boat people.
    sensible senior
    2nd Sep 2013
    9:25am
    andy mr. rudd is going to let the boat people in and send pensioners to naru
    Pass the Ductape
    28th Aug 2013
    12:45pm
    O'Farrell acted quite appropriately considering the circumstances and Rudd deserved nothing better. This man Rudd just keeps getting worse and worse. Talk about a self appointed messiah! All this from a man who said, ' There are no circumstances under which I will ever return to the leadership of the Labour party." Then tries to make people believe that what he meant was - "I believe there are no circumstances under ....etc., etc. People need to realise that Rudd is a man highly adept at speaking with a forked tongue.
    surfer
    28th Aug 2013
    12:56pm
    The more Rudd appears on TV the more I realize what a frustrated little chap he has become. Being a bloody liar is his main forte and trying to rubbish a man that leaves him for dead. Just a rat, ignorant and ill bred with a bad temper and I cannot understand for the life of me how he has managed to get back as far as he has with his disgusting record. Just amazes me how a weed like that can fool so many people. Have not heard any more about his terrible twin Peter Beattie, has he collapsed completely. He was gong to rearrange Queensland. What a mob of incompetant fools.
    Pass the Ductape
    28th Aug 2013
    1:11pm
    Yes surfer...fancy trying to couple it all with Beatty. Just after the Labour party got thrashed and almost pushed into oblivion in Qld, they bring this tired old hack for a resurgence of party exuberance. How did they ever figure this could ever work? Qlder's are still raw from the nonsense they had to put up with from Bligh and haven't forgotten that Beatty did a smart thing on his own behalf by slipping Bligh in through the net before he himself got turfed. It's all so pathetic, it doesn't even rate a laugh any more.
    yippie
    28th Aug 2013
    1:40pm
    I think a lot ofpeople forget that they voted these fools in.These politicians work for us not we work for them,to this day I have not seen a requisite that these politicians should produce a CV (if I present my self for a position I am asked for a CV)so we the people can say if they are fit for the office or how about presenting a K.P.I.on a regular basis so the people can assess their progress.This was something I read sometime back in a letter to the editor(can't claim the idea)While you have preselection you will never stop stacking of parliament with yes people(nodding idiots in the back ground on tv) & members who need someone else to answer the question & power brokers(good example NSW).Get rid of their advisors especially the non Australians as they do not understand our way of life.Typical example GJ's scots man.
    heyyybob
    28th Aug 2013
    1:49pm
    Maybe if more (in numbers) worthy Independents were to step up. Possessing good backgrounds in economics/health/education and/or other relevant fields. THEN we might be excited/passionate enough to join them at the barricades and make this a great country (again) for it's citizens and become more relevant and worthwhile in the world. I ain't saying it's no good at the moment but it could be better again ;)
    Oldie87
    28th Aug 2013
    2:15pm
    heyyybob, don't get started with Independents, we are in a big enough mess now without pandering to every crackpot scheme under the sun.
    heyyybob
    28th Aug 2013
    2:23pm
    Aha ! I said WORTHY Independents and don't think that there aren't good Australians out there who could do the job if we could make it more attractive to that type AND back them. Much more value than the 'nodding heads' attached to ALL the major partys. Anything to keep their jobs/perks. Waste of space most of them :(
    Paddles
    28th Aug 2013
    9:23pm
    heyyybob

    I think that if you dig deep enough and go far enough back in time, you will find that all parties, coalitions etc started with "independents".

    The collectivisation begins with off-the-record arrangements of "you support me on this and I will support you on that". Have that go far enough and, voila!, a new political party. Just how do you think decisions would be made if everyone in Parliament voted their own agenda?
    Di
    28th Aug 2013
    2:15pm
    For decades, we have become a less dignified and respectful people with each generation. But we should not be content to leave it there. Let's take the responsibility ourselves and break the cycle. Let's become more dignified and respectful (often by holding our tongues and thinking about our response rather than reacting) and definitely ask our politicians to raise the bar. But it is hypocritical to expect our politicians to do so if we aren't prepared to take responsibility for our own actions and words. Let's do it! :)
    Nightshade
    28th Aug 2013
    10:31pm
    When I was a kid.
    Does anyone remember 6 o'clock closing.
    Everyone would get as much in to them as they could before they were ushered out the door.
    Then there was the inevitable slanging match & a breakout of fights outside, with a chorus of profane support by the ladies, inspired with intoxication .
    Character & colour was them days, I reckon
    surfer
    29th Aug 2013
    9:35am
    I remember that well Nightshade. I was in NZ in those days. We would fill as many jugs as we could about 5.55pm and had to be out of the pub by 6.15pm. Phew, talk about a pigs trough. Always had a job to get it all down.. Then home for tea, and back to the pub about 7.30pm for the sly grog session. Then after many hours, off to the pie cart and that was where all the fisticuffs began. Kiwis versus the Pommie seamen. A great time was had by all.
    surfer
    29th Aug 2013
    9:37am
    Most ladies kept well out of the way, even the intoxicated ones.
    surfer
    2nd Sep 2013
    9:54am
    We never stabbed anyone, or kicked them when they were on the ground. If anyone did, they would have been torn apart on the spot.

    28th Aug 2013
    3:53pm
    Wadya expect from NSW. Lost State of Origin 8 years running, now they're crying because we want to move the ships to Brizzy where they belong.
    Hello - if anyone attacks, its gonna be from the North. There's no Eskimo's in the South Pole in case you haven't noticed.
    Meanwhile the Sydney harbour is chockablok, tourists have to switch to dinghies to get on shore !
    Man up cockroaches, and yes learn some respect!
    How amateurish and rude was O'Farell gatecrashing Rudd's press conference. Bogan alright, absolutely no class.
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2013
    8:21am
    This is just another back of the envelope thought bubble by Rudd to save seats in Queensland . Have you any idea of the cost involved . The infrastructure built up in Sydney over many years cannot be duplicated and where is the deep water port in Brisbane .put this in the basket of fast trains .
    Of course it wasn't even worth a phone call from Rudd to o Farrell to say he was. Going to announce this massive undertaking. O Farrell should have flipped him the bird as well as the corrupt nSW mob on their way to Jail .
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2013
    8:24am
    To follow your reasoning we should put our whole fleet in Darwin not Perth or Sydney . In range of enemy attack .
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2013
    8:26am
    This site has hit a new low in its anti coalition attack
    aquatrek
    29th Aug 2013
    10:54am
    our whole fleet ? common Pete we do not have a 'navy'. Direct from the 'horses mouth' > my ex serving son and nephew fresh from our McHale's Navy. What we need is a whopping great air force and lotsa long range missile launchers. Seen any lately ?

    As for parliamentary behaviour - I wanna see more 'shoe throwing'.
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2013
    11:19am
    We are a maritime nation and need to protect our trade routes . Yes Rudd Gillard destroyed our defence budget see below . He even claimed the glory for the ships ordered by Howard .
    Foxy
    28th Aug 2013
    5:27pm
    ......just posted a reply to Egyptian (without reading this one of yours....) couple of posts above this one - we on the same page or what? Maybe you and I need to start a Party?? - Still nothing substantial regarding - homeless - affordable housing - hospitals - and more importantly - AGE PENSIONERS !!!!!!! Clive Palmer is the only person who has mentioned these most important things ..........they tried to "burn him" on Lateline last night - he held his ground - just ......wonder why media does not want affable Clive in the mix - mmmmmmmm - interesting ! People treat him as a buffoon but hey - he is smarter than a lot of us!
    MITZY
    29th Aug 2013
    4:20pm
    Foxy: I see you have mentioned replying to me here. I've replied back, I just can't understand what you were ranting about. It certainly wasn't ships etc. I was saying that I like Barry O'Farrell and I think he is doing a good job. He is not in your face every 5 minutes and that NSW is starting to steam ahead under Barry O'Farrell. The only other thing I mentioned was to OLDIE feeling sorry for Abbott to which I replied to him I didn't feel sorry for him ..... etc. I note somebody else said why would Abbott want to be PM and clean up the mess. Well, maybe he wants to be PM because the mess is not really anywhere near as bad as he lambasts with his fear campaign and also vice versa for Rudd. One is as bad as the other.
    Foxy
    29th Aug 2013
    5:09pm
    .....it was a "play on words" - did not mean to upset you :(
    Nightshade
    28th Aug 2013
    10:20pm
    Is that what it is called "flipping the bird"
    It wasn't just a publicity stunt was it .../?
    They love the camera - veritable performing monkeys, they are !
    The Illuminati finger sign is interesting - it is extending the index & the little finger.
    In Italian the sign of the horns / cuckold, hand gesture refers to a husband with an adulterous wife.
    Also to a male who unwittingly invests parental effort in offsprings that are not his.
    One sees the Illuminati finger sign being made as a sign of being the chosen, belonging to the ultimate club of the ultimate Satanic power.
    In a crowd of Italians it is so much more meaningful.

    29th Aug 2013
    8:38am
    Rudd has the astonishing chutzpah to claim that the forward estimates period will see a big surge in the defence industry. Yet at 24,000, the industry employs 1000 fewer people than it did a year ago.

    It's in serious decline and facing catastrophic decline because of the "valley of death" produced by Labor's inability to make decisions about new ships and other capabilities. This is the central operating principle of the six years of Labor government: big talk, huge ambition and a total failure of delivery.

    Rudd's supporters blame Gillard for savaging the defence budget, and consequently the industry, but Rudd himself has a big share of the blame.

    The 2009 Defence White Paper talked tough about China. It posited a credible force structure - 12 new subs, 100 Joint Strike Fighters, AWDs and much else. And it proposed a mostly credible budget path to achieve this. But the ink was not dry on the white paper before the government began its epic procrastination, cuts and refusal to deliver anything it spoke of.

    The 2009 budget began a huge deferral of funds, so by the time Rudd was dumped we had rolling, deep, deep cuts that made a complete nonsense of the proposed force structure, even though it remained official policy.

    Now Rudd proposes evacuating the navy from Sydney and relocating it to Brisbane, Perth, Darwin, Townsville, and Cairns, with - yet again - new opportunities for industry - and all the usual bells and whistles.

    Like most of Rudd's promises in this election, the time line is ridiculous. It's not meant to happen fully until 2030.

    But the key problem is that the move especially from Garden Island to Brisbane would cost in itself a vast amount of money.

    This is an irresponsible new commitment because Labor's defence budget cuts means there is an urgent need right now to remediate our capabilities.

    We do not have enough money to run our existing kit. Our patrol boats are breaking up through over use. There is no chance we will have any new subs before the mid-2030s. We need new supply ships. But just making what we have now work properly requires a lot of spending.

    So into this environment of declining capability and funding shortfalls, Rudd injects a grand new proposal without any costings and without the slightest attention to all the urgent tasks that confront defence.

    If Rudd is right that the security environment we face is more challenging, and he surely is right, then the most urgent task is to have the most capable defence force possible. Plans to relocate the navy, and talking a lot at the UN do not add up to a coherent defence and national security policy.
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2013
    8:40am
    Cut. And paste from Greg Sheridan in the Australian
    MiningMagnet
    2nd Sep 2013
    3:56pm
    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/military-expenditure-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html (figures at 2010)
    Shows the fall of defence spending as a %age of GDP under Libs (to 1.87) and growth under Labs (to 2.03)
    Figures from FY2010 to FY2012 incomplete as far as I can tell - but await attributed figures vs GDP
    The actual numbers may not reflect what we want to see, but expenditure 'value' is best discussed in terms of how big the bickie tin is, and who's getting the available bickies.
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/5/economy/whos-responsible-australias-debt-crisis
    Some more third-party info
    Data is more important than journo waffle - at least you can make your own mistakes in analysis then.
    Better that, than having to wear how silly you look by mindlessly repeating other people's opinion
    http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/an-aussie-hero-accuses-murdoch-media-of-bias/
    Some comment on the nature of content likely to be seen in media currently - not too sure that I would tag Dick Smith as an aussie hero but .....

    29th Aug 2013
    9:42am
    Here we are two weeks before an election and this site has run out of attack material on the opposition . What's it discussing as editorial a State premier flipping the bird .
    surfer
    29th Aug 2013
    10:03am
    Yeah Pete, Krudd has run out of spin and lies, now the policies have been costed by the coalition. He is still however going on about 70 billion black holes. What a sneaky liar. He should be stopped from going to any more overseas summits as that appears to be going to happen. As if that weed is of any benefit to OZ. Just another expensive junket trip at our expense. Does he have no shame. Would'nt you think after bankrupting our country he would show some decency instead of pandering to his ego.
    wally
    29th Aug 2013
    1:41pm
    Is it true that there is a video clip of Premier 0'Farrell committing this act? is there more to see than just this isolated incident, or are we basing our judgement on (a) a still photograph, or (b) an intentionally shortened video clip? Manipulation of film and video images are nothing new. The newsreel film showing Hitler dancing some sort of Jig in Paris after that city fell to the Germans in 1940 was created by British Intelligence by re-winding the film. running it backward and splicing it all together to get the desired result.
    So let's see the whole thing in its entirety before we rush to judgement.
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2013
    2:03pm
    I hope he did it for real
    student
    29th Aug 2013
    2:11pm
    besides being down right rude, it is unprofessional. I'm a lady and don't do such crass things as that. Neither do real gentlemen.
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2013
    5:23pm
    Being a gentleman I can assure you they do .
    surfer
    30th Aug 2013
    6:40am
    Well I have had a gutsful of Rudd and his pathetic little band. Telling complete lies and with no policy of his own. Well he certainly had egg on his face yesterday and has been made to look a bloody fool. Idiotic scare adds that are all lies against Abbott are just not working any more and show Rudd up for the sneaky rat he is. I cannot believe a type like that is a PM of our country. How could anyone vote for such a disgusting little man. I wish he would take his wig off so I could see what he really looks like. Perhaps there are several of him like Julia Gillard. Hope this riff raff does not expect to go off to the G2 summit at our expense. What an embarrassment for Australia. Has'nt he wasted enough billions. It would be a last hurrah for him to pander to his oversized ego. I hate liars.

    30th Aug 2013
    8:50am
    Assuming Rudd gets re elected in his own electorate, which is looking doubtful, where to Rudd . My guess is he will resign from Parliment before the end of the year. Then where y guess is London. To head up the family business.
    Anonymous
    30th Aug 2013
    8:55am
    Maybe the Australian subsidiary could find a lucrative business I finding work for ex Labor MPs . Well those that are not in jail.
    Anonymous
    30th Aug 2013
    8:57am
    I see Julia is back in her old business of house renovations . Hope she is using union labour.
    surfer
    30th Aug 2013
    10:05am
    Julia was a lot more acceptable than Rudd, as was shown by the number of ministers that flew the coop when he stabbed her. They just won't work with a self opinionated dickhead. I hope his wig blows off.
    professori_au
    30th Aug 2013
    3:54pm
    The behaviour in any parliament venue is totally unacceptable. Good manners also goes with intelligence. These people do not need to use bad manners to hide their poor performance or inadequate ability. The treat the people of the Commonwealth with disrespect, believing they are the masters. They are not Parliament is the servant of the people of the Commonwealth of Australia; not of the UN; not of the USA; not of great Britain. what has been happening over the past decades is a gradual taking over of the government by factional interests and also overseas countries. We should blame ourselves for it happening but I understand how it was accomplished. Teaching about the constitution in a school curriculum was stopped in 1974, hence we have young people who do not know we have a constitution. add to that migrants who have fled dictatorships, military dictatorships and corrupt governments taking away the rights of the people. When are the people going to understand our Commonwealth constitution 1901 is unique in the world. Where other Parliaments are the government, in Australia the real government is the people; the sovereign people and parliament is our servants. there is no provision for political parties in the Constitution. The original parliamentarians were independents accountable to those who elected them. That is how it should be now, e.g. the electorate chooses its own candidates, not the political factions, and they should report back to the constituents on a regular basis and be accountable to them for they have or have not done. At present, we have factions pre-selecting their candates or moving a preferred candidates to another electorate; branch stacking and many other corrupt activities. You then have only the choice of voting for their selection, not yours. Accountability? Forget it. You have put our person in power and we will not need you until the next election. In the meantime we can impolitely screw you in anyway we choose to raise money for overseas interests and cut funding "because we do not have enough in our budget to provide the service)
    I see at a recent council where the public were wanting answers that council did not want to give, the council called the police in to charge people under the Summary Offences Act section 17 which has been amended so that an invalid corporation called council can use the police as a private army/ Check the Act for yourself. You do not have to be doing anything except be there at the time.
    Alastair
    30th Aug 2013
    4:30pm
    Eat 5/6 small meals including snacks,
    avoid soda, diet soda and flavored juices......

    Naperville Health Club
    surfer
    2nd Sep 2013
    10:00am
    Drink lots of fresh coconut water. Makes my day.
    Lee
    30th Aug 2013
    5:26pm
    The cherry on top of the cake on the 7th will be if the Dudd loses his seat. The bad news is we'll be forking out for 5 ex Labor PM's.
    surfer
    30th Aug 2013
    7:58pm
    Beattie and Krudd can celebrate when they both miss out. Both has beens.
    professori_au
    31st Aug 2013
    10:17am
    A thought that has occurred to me while studying our Constitutional laws is the question of paying for the invalid PM's and other politicians pensions. If we are governed by foreign power, i.e. Corporations registered in USA or other countries and if we did not sign through a referendum to accept them then why do we have to support those treacherous politicians.
    let them receive their pensions etc. from the corporation, not from we the sovereign people of the Commonwealth.
    surfer
    2nd Sep 2013
    10:07am
    Beware of the milky bar kid making a come back. What a crack pot. I have never seen anything so pathetic as silly old Bob Hawke and shrivilled up Paul Keating sitting there nodding away while that incompetant lunitic Rudd tried to rally his troops. They all looked like they were ready for the old peoples home. No disrespect to seniors!!!! It should not have been called a labor launch, but a no hopers launch. Please please let us get this over and done with so these lunitics don't waste any more millions supplied by hard working Australians.
    surfer
    2nd Sep 2013
    10:13am
    Rudd had it rough, he slept in a car, and woke up feeling in danger. Was he in the middle of a war zone or something?????? What about the many poor Australians that live in their cars, while he swoons about the country living in the lap of luxury and squandering billions of Tax payers money, that could have been used for the unfortunate Aussies in financial trouble. I am sick of the whole bloody holly wood performance. Rudd is a disgrace.
    MiningMagnet
    2nd Sep 2013
    3:10pm
    On topic briefly - giving someone the finger is not acceptable in a professional environment. ......it's a very basic symbol of being 'outpointed'
    It reveals a couple of things....
    (one) - a lack of capacity to respond with wit and
    (two) - lack of judgement to show your tormentors that you are out of your depth.
    If it occurred in a mine crib room the giver would lose face in front of his workmates...or colloquially .."stepping on your d#@k"
    It is the equivalent to name-calling and other childish, schoolyard responses
    It has no place if you want to play with the grown-ups
    Looks like I'll have to persist with the long-ish posts to thin out the responders a bit
    Good to see the same tired rhetoric trotted out esp. when off topic ...hahahahah
    We all understand we have poor quality politicians and yet we continue to elect them
    Anyone with a problem with that should have a quick look in the mirror and evaluate what they have done to promote a more complete understanding of the criticality of your own particular view and how we might prevent it continuing to happen
    Otherwise, quit whining about it, park up the bleating about the evils of left-wing, right-wing, greens etc and discuss something with serious information and intent....and then feed it back the parties as expectations of performance....and the media...
    Stooges or party resources should give themselves a little pat on the back here for encouraging us to vote one way or another, as if there is a real difference, when the options available are the electoral equivalent of a choice between dying of snake bite or in a car accident
    Unfortunately that does mean something more than just parroting party slogans and stuff but for heaven's sake, can't we replace the doctrine with some information - even for a little while.....
    The various party 'resources' in place to keep the public 'on message' have their 'collective' agenda exposed when an article on poorly behaved state govt Reps becomes a fed govt conversation about an un-related topic.
    It does actually expose your agenda chaps and leaves you looking a bit silly doesn't it - I mean really !??
    Given the deep interest in this state event and its relationship to the Labs fed govt activity, is it unseemly to assess another state event and to draw the obvious parallels between Newman and Abbot in their pursuit of power ?.
    LNP said ..."trust us no jobs will go".....hahahaha....sound familiar....oh dear...
    Despite the press-release managed 'economic crisis' PeteCostello detected after his independent (raucous and uncouth laughter from all sides) review being completely at odds with the national banking sector assessments - the LNP entered into a slash & burn of the state govt services.
    The only thing that put the brakes on was the publicity of the privatisation moves unfolding behind the scenes.....that left-wing ABC again...hahahaha
    Campbell has form in this area with his time in council being dogged by persistent but unproven collusion concerns where his family and friends' businesses where seen to be the recipients of council largesse beyond the usual.
    Suffice it to say that his 'sacrifices' in the name of community service included a reasonable growth in the net worth of himself and his known associates
    Given the deep lack of trust in him by the electorate and his capacity for Freudian slips revealing his true intent - Abbot has been wise indeed to give him a wide berth where at all possible. Campbell has also been a good friend to the Federal Libs by not making any of his usual unpleasant pronouncements during the election period.
    Queenslanders are sweating on the next round of LNP strategy to deny them basic services and then have the services provided by 'new release' contracts to cover the shortfall created by the cuts....guess who gets the service contracts....hahahahaha
    This technique has been used successfully by both sides of politics but most memorably (IMHO) during the Thatcher period that destroyed Britain's economic stability, when she had to provide ROI to the backers that supported her transition to power.(google see Atlas group, Sir Antony Fisher etc)...there is a case in some discussions that the de-regulation and govt protection of Corporation legislation of this era ushered in the conditions for GBR to get a towelling in the GFC
    The idea of using hindsight to forearm us with knowledge of the conditions under which similar abuses could occur in the future is not new - it is apparently to govt though. I'm not concerned - necessarily - with jailing people with hindsight but would like to see the conditions that gave rise to the problem logged and tagged so that we can get the alarm bells goings before it happens again & again & again......
    professori_au
    2nd Sep 2013
    8:27pm
    MiningMagnet
    Hi,
    You commented that we still elect those incompetents.
    I agree. This will not change until the political factions and their power brokers no longer choose the candidates.
    The power brokers bring in people outside of the electorates, stack branches, etc. to ensure the choice is theirs; not the people. The choice of candidates is not the people's choice then it is further interfered with by the factions demanding that preferences are given to their choices. No wonder the lawful governments were able to be high jacked. We need candidates that are independent and accountable to those who elect them.
    Australia does not need preferential voting as we have a large enough population to allow a one vote system. In Geelong we saw a good example of a corrupt system when the government decided Geelong should have a Geelong people's directly elected Mayor.It was corrupt and flawed from day one. the model was not chosen by the people of Geelong. I was chosen by Spring Street with a bias to business and industry. It was then further interfered with by the political factions selecting their candidate and also demanding the next choices should be to the particular choice of that party. Preferential voting also allowed vested interests from outside of Geelong to set the agenda. The person who was elected soon found out that he, although a very nice person and committed to his community, did not understand that he was jumping into a pool of sharks, whose only interest was to exploit the region and generate revenue without a great deal of concern for the long term benefit or for the services required by the community. It is grab what you can and get out and leave any mess for future people to clean up. The amount of money given by the council to interests outside of Geelong is astounding. Enough that we could have the best of services, roads, etc. that would make it a pleasure to live here.
    We had the Mayor resigning but it was a big developer who published the information. Why didn't the CEO advise council and then publish to the public. This is the sort of interference we suffer from in the very top of governments right down to the invalid local government.


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