Should pensioners demonstrate?

Jimmy thinks it’s time to take to the streets and let the Government know what you think.

Should pensioners demonstrate?

Disgruntled pensioner Jimmy thinks it’s time to take to the streets and let the Government know what the budget changes will mean to those struggling financially. Do you agree?

Jimmy, Melbourne
How can we organise a demonstration against this Government about treatment of pensioners? I see all the university students demonstrating so can we do something about this? My wife and I feel very strongly about sending a message to this Government.

Is Jimmy on the right track? Should pensioners take their lead from the protests of university students?





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    peterseaford
    27th May 2014
    9:49am
    YES - why not let the government know that we do not support the changes - they are permanent but the tax on the rich and wage restraint is temporary.

    How can a research fund save Medicare ?? Other research funds have been cancelled in fact most things scientific are cancelled.
    Anonymous
    27th May 2014
    10:03am
    Give me a break pensioners already get everything for nothing Jimmy and his wife are what is known as whingers
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    1:24pm
    Robo you obviously don't know many pensioners or you live on another planet, not all pensioners are living comfortable lives through no fault of their own, a lot depends on where you live, if there is Public Transport, if you are sick, if you live alone and through other circumstances beyond their control, GET THE PICTURE ROBO?. Think twice and maybe put yourself in their shoes before you make sweeping statements like the one posted above.
    Nightshade
    28th May 2014
    7:27am
    ROBO:-
    WHINGERS
    Your attitude inspires a disgust that does not understand limits for your attitude.
    BLAME THE VICTIM - are you sure you are not one of "THEM"
    It is like those who kick the unemployed because they do not have a job
    BECAUSE THE POLITICAL ARENA & BANKING ? FINANCIAL SECTORS HAVE DESTROYED BUSINESS THAT CREATES EMPLOYMENT
    Nightshade
    28th May 2014
    7:33am
    AUSTRALIA IS CONSIDERED THE CLOWN / THE VILLAGE IDIOT / IMBECILE / OF THE WORLD
    WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK
    SO ASSET & RESOURCES RICH - guess what we gave it away - we didn't have the sense to sell at price - we gave it all away - & now we are about stealing from the Australian people - one day they will come & they will bring pliers just in case you have gold teeth ROBO
    INSTEAD OF BEING A WEALTHY NATION THAT WANTS FOR NOTHING WE ARE HEADED FOR THIRD WORLD STATUS........
    Nightshade
    28th May 2014
    7:40am
    WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS AGAINST THE LAW
    AUSTRALIA IS IN THE GRIP OF LAWLESSNESS
    WE NEED LAWYERS TO SET THE LAW OF THE LAND BACK UP ON IT'S FEET
    WHERE ARE OUR RETIRED LEGAL EAGLES
    WHERE ARE OUR RETIRED BRAINS OF BUSINESS
    I would give $1.00 a week to pay legal expenses / court costs / F.O.I. /etc
    If one million of us gave $1.00 a week
    That equals $1.000.000 a week to cover costs
    which comes to $52.000.000 a year TO COVER COSTS.
    WE ARE LAUGHING MATE.
    Nightshade
    28th May 2014
    7:45am
    Just while I'm here -
    I'd like to send a big Cheerio to Mark -
    I spoke to him on the phone late yesterday afternoon.
    Nightshade
    28th May 2014
    7:52am
    What I would like to know is this -
    THE ABC LEARNING CENTERS WENT BUST - a viable & thriving business coaxed by the bank to out stretch their margins to unrealistic proportions - tricked.
    Q:-
    WHO TOOK OVER THE CHILD CARE CENTERS THAT WERE ONCE THE ABC LEARNING CENTERS ?
    CHILD CARE IS VERY BIG & PROFITABLE BUSINESS
    - & ALONG CAME THE BIG BAD WOLF - HEY
    Mez
    27th May 2014
    9:53am
    Yes.... of course pensioners should demonstrate but who is going to organise this? Senior citizens groups may be too blase or too comfortable in their paid positions to do anything about it.....that maybe the first broblem.....too much to lose in comparison to the uni students!
    sexeebear
    27th May 2014
    9:54am
    yes we should protest not just about the change to indexing our pension but the cuts to the discounts we get and the cuts to housing hospitals and other services we rely on more than the rest of the population.. stop foreign aid and super tax benefits negative gearing too would have wiped out the so called deficit... not voting tony again or here newman whos more stealthy than tony.
    Mez
    27th May 2014
    9:56am
    No wonder that there was only ONE comment so far after I had posted my comment! PROVES MY POINT!
    ph
    27th May 2014
    8:59pm
    3 minutes Mez, what were you expecting?
    Mez
    27th May 2014
    10:04am
    WHAT ABOUT A PETITION? THEY ARE VERY EFFECTIVE IN PRODUCING CHANGES!
    THERE IS ONE ON
    Change.org.au
    ( I hope that's the correct website.)
    Dotty
    27th May 2014
    8:21pm
    Well maybe we should all go into this website and either add to or get a Petition
    going ourselves ! Dotty
    Mez
    27th May 2014
    10:15am
    Just checked for the correct website address to start a petition in order to effect a change for the better for aged pensioners. I am not a pensioner but am 64 and still nursing after returning to nursing after 25 yrs of sec. school art teaching!
    The instant website to start a petition is:
    Change.org
    Ginty 01
    27th May 2014
    11:35am
    Petitions aren't effective you need a mandate. See " clrg.info" and search for petitions. This is why politicians always say they have a "mandate" and then proceed to do as they like.
    Oldtecho
    27th May 2014
    10:25am
    Of course we should!! I started paying tax in 1955 and only my super clearing all debts plus the lower cost for medical, pharmaceautical, & dental due to the pension card allow us to live normally. We live in a small rural town so housing is relatively cheap but I am not sure how pensioners in the capital cities could survive. The alledged debt is "crap" according to Koshy on Sunrise and just an excuse to bash workers & pensioners to increase the profit margin of companies!!
    FrankC
    30th May 2014
    11:51am
    See Clive Palmer's response to the budget on You tube, what an eye opener. That Hockey stick is no better than Tony.
    tisme
    27th May 2014
    11:07am
    yes , its way past time the people got out of their chairs, got out en masse and told the govt what they think , ( on going protests, one offs wont work) like the Egyptians. unless we do this we cant blame the politicians they do what they do because they know they can
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:17pm
    I Sphinx You Might be Right ??
    chertl
    27th May 2014
    11:09am
    Agree why not. to all the able bodied and wheelies in Australia why can't we get up and protest the same as others. Surely there should be a voice to speak for us in Government. The only other option is to vote with your hearts not your heads.
    Ginty 01
    27th May 2014
    11:13am
    I'm not a pensioner yet and my husband won't be retiring next month when he turns 65, can't afford to! Of course pensioners should protest, it's the squeaky wheel that gets all the grease after all! Don't complain then you don't get. Not everybody has had the good fortune of having a well paid,long term, secure job, superannuation, and no illness. Plus decades ago our taxes were raised with that extra supposedly to be there to pay for our pensions. Where did that money go? Squandered by the government of course!
    tams
    27th May 2014
    4:25pm
    Hi Ginty - Where did that money go. It went to increase the assets and income tests, so that seniors with additional incomes still get a pension. It went to middle class families whose tax payments were exceeded by the transfer payments they received
    postage stamp
    27th May 2014
    11:36am
    Have a look at AUSTRALIAN FUTURE FUND,$100 BILLION+ taken from budget surplus over the years,The Building Australia Fund,Health and Hospital Fund,Education investment Fund there is money in the PIGGY bank,read how Labor intended to raid the future fund for there own needs,we have been led up or down the garden path
    douwe26
    27th May 2014
    12:40pm
    to post organised by Howardage stamp I would like to let him know that the future fund is zero at present it paid for Rudds many blunders
    ray from Bondi
    27th May 2014
    12:47pm
    yes it all spin, do you really think this medical fund will do anything other than give the top jobs as a political reward and then when it has built something to raid. I have always said the main problem is that Australia has been sold off, the government used to have billions from the commonwealth bank and telstra just to mention two, it now has to pay what was essentially free, the left hand giving to the right, I would lile to know what the government's telecommunications bill is.
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    1:35pm
    douwe26, what a ridiculous statement, go to www. future fund.gov.au and you will see how stupid this statement is, there is over $97 Billion in the Future Fund and Billions in the Health, Education Funds as well, so do the research before you post.
    postage stamp
    27th May 2014
    1:53pm
    douwe26 there is NATION BUILDING FUND and FUTURE FUND the assets are growing according to .gov.au I know there would be nothing left if the could get hold $
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    2:02pm
    postage stamp what word is absent from your post above?.
    postage stamp
    27th May 2014
    6:55pm
    Misty I don't what word is absent so please tell me
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    9:30pm
    I don't know postage stamp but the bottom line doesn't make sense, if the could, shouldn't here be another word between the could?, that doesn't make sense.
    Anonymous
    28th May 2014
    3:24pm
    postage stamp got a link to that statement re Labor raiding FF as I understood Costello had made sure they couldnt do it as supposed to be there to pay their pensions for all public servants, you know those very generous indexed pensions.
    Kathleen
    27th May 2014
    11:39am
    Pensioners with the support of their relatives and friends should protest loudly. You do not need to be really old to march. Have some able bodied relatives represent you. Push granny in her chair. Plenty of relatives are worried for their elderly family members. Sign a petition but do not do nothing otherwise Australia will go down the tube!
    niemakawa
    27th May 2014
    12:03pm
    Well the "plenty of relatives" should be doing more to support their oldies. The pension and other benefits are more than reasonable. The Government is right with the budget measures.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    4:40pm
    And here He is again Gran Telling US to Bludge Off Our Rellies !!.. I haven't got any ??
    So who will I Bludge off !!.. And even by making that statement You are Admitting that there is some sort of Shortfall for some of us !! So get off Your Big Fat Wallet and start sending Hundred Buck Notes to Pensioners that are not Quiet as Fortunate as You seem to make out You are !!.. I personally think that You are a Paid Employee of the Liberal Party from all the things I've read from You and a Couple of others !! I liked the one, Pensioners are Bludgers !!.. Yeah Right !!..
    And before You.. Get Smart..,I'm NO PARTY just an Observer, with a Comment !!
    niemakawa
    27th May 2014
    5:26pm
    Particolor, You have some issues that need attention. An anger management course may be helpful. Yes I am a Liberal voter but not on their payroll. I am an independent worker on a low income. I am only getting out my wallet for myself and family, anyone else has to do that for themselves. As for telling "US to bludge off our rellies" that is an over exaggeration on your part. Nonetheless those that do have relatives could at least use some of their resources. Hope that clears everything up for you.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:39pm
    No anger troubles Here Pal !! Write when You are on the (NEW) Pension !!..
    Now....Granma! Gimme half yer Sandwich will Ya ??
    Travellersjoy
    27th May 2014
    11:41am
    Already one protest in Melbourne but not well advertised or I would have gone.
    Clearly, pensioners should take nothing for granted. Democracy does not stop with voting. We must keep the government accountable, take responsibility for ourselves instead of expecting others to speak for us.
    Too many seniors are ready to believe any smooth talker who comes along - Abbott and there will be no changes to pensions. They have sold us down the river with this lot.
    Resist. In our homes, on the streets, in the media, on line, in petitions, in shops, clubs, schools and the floor of Parliament. Don't let them get away on their toes with billions from the pockets of the poor.
    ray from Bondi
    27th May 2014
    2:04pm
    what is the old saying, hmm something like it only takes good people to do nothing to let evil flourish.
    Ginty 01
    28th May 2014
    12:36pm
    I agree Ray
    Dot
    27th May 2014
    12:16pm
    Absolutely we should. instead of screwing the pensioners once again,get the young ones to work.
    Who will run this country in 20yrs time, we have a whole generation of young people who have never had a job in their lives and who keeps them? we do. I have been working over 60yrs and just retired...give me a break i earned by pension with all the taxes I have paid in that time.
    interesting only one comment against, wonder how old ' Robo' is ? not a pension I bet.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:03pm
    Dot..Yep !! And I will bet a couple More on here aren't Pensioners either !! Or shouldn't be !! They have Heaps of Wampum ??.. And We are Spongers and Should Bludge off our Rellies !! Liberal Party Plants and Stooges !!..say anything nice about the Labor Party and watch them go into a Feeding Frenzy !!..
    GregB
    27th May 2014
    12:17pm
    We pensioners have it pretty good so I cannot see what all the whinging and protest is about. There are more important priorities in the country (like education of the young) than further lining the pockets of already well cared for pensioners. Protest by all means, but for more important issues than self interest.
    ray from Bondi
    27th May 2014
    12:50pm
    the protest is not for thos that have managed to insure thye are at least comfortable to the disadvantaged that never had a chance, you have seen those highlights on current affairs about people who can not afford food or heating, that is not everybody but there are many out there like that, they are going to be crushed, they may as well rob a bank and go to jail, at least they will be feed and have good medical treatment.
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    1:38pm
    Another person out of touch with the way pensioners struggle, maybe the ones GregB knows are the wealthy ones who use their accountants to hide their wealth to claim a pension.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:09pm
    Yes!! Another One Misty !!..
    Put Your Hands in the Air and Don't Move !!.. LIB Motto !!
    Dotty
    27th May 2014
    8:38pm
    Well I am 76 years old now and worked up untill approx 6 yrs ago and Supper only came in not long enough for me to get a nest egg together!
    I paid my taxes and more and yes I am on the aged pension and will have a whinge if I must as I am paying out now per fortnight approx 35 dollars on medicines which I was paying out long before I retired !
    And all We get is the miserable pittance of about $6 or $7 dollars a fortnight towards this outage !
    I rent A Human service unit and I pay my bills on time and owe nothing to anyone , I also do not smoke,drink or can afford to go out apart from running a 27 year old Car !
    So my pension "does not" keep me on easy street and I feel that for all the years I worked that I am entitled to my pittance ! But would perhaps like a little more just so I can go buy something new occasionally ! "Like once or twice a year "!
    So for anyone to say that we are on a good wicket then let them that yell the loudest try and live on this alone ! as I was never lucky enough to be on a high wage to be able to save for a rainy day!
    Dotty
    Dotty
    27th May 2014
    8:45pm
    Also as an after thought it is usually those that have had the luck to have been able to save something towards retirement !
    But when you have worked in low income jobs due to the fact that I never had much of an education so never had skill,s to anything else !
    So for those that are saying they are quite happy with their lot then I say that you must have had the luck of the Irish and been able to save as you were on a good inncome "before " retirement! Dotty
    Bones
    27th May 2014
    12:20pm
    Yes I feel that we should let the Government know that they have been very cruel to people that are struggling already, in this once beautiful country.
    The cuts that are proposed, if passed by the Senate, will be permanent, however, the extra tax on "high income earners, is only for 3 years
    I have been a Liberal voter all my working life, but never again. This is also the feeling of many in my community.
    I think the biggest disappointment is the deliberate lies that Mr. Abbott told to the Australian people, prior to the election.
    I sincerely hope that this is a "one term Prime Minister" I have a feeling this is going to be the end result.
    Dotty
    27th May 2014
    8:50pm
    And This all points to Mr Abbott being a one term PM as with this Budget he has become very unpopular to a huge degree !
    And I think every one agree,s on this !
    Did anyone notice how just prior to the Budget being released that they gave themselves a hugs income raise !
    And yes I can guess where that is coming from. Dotty
    Anonymous
    28th May 2014
    3:51pm
    I have not voted Labor since Hawke got into bed with big business and cant serve the working man and the boss as we saw from The Accord which let them make higher profits with productivity being the buzz and what happened, unions in bed too, so then they loved that extra and buggered off overseas with our jobs. Liberals are not true conservative, One Nation was closer, and they will tell you how our age pension was being funded by ourselves via income tax and how both majors Libs/Labs agreed to close the Pension Fund transfer contents to Consolidated Revenue to cover all expenditures along with the levy to continue on putting our money into the now Consolidated to this very day.
    Lately voted Liberal as Howard was good like they usually are at not wasting our money and paying off the debts always left by Labor who never did excel at accounting or budgeting did they always leave debts and this last version well even the stalwarts were embarrassed.
    But now Abbott and/or Hockey (whom I had suspicions about) have let themselves, their party and their most supporters down, who are average income people, to pander to the rich who are not paying anything like a fair percentage of income as most does not get declared as legally off in trusts and other ways of minimizing income tax as we saw with Kerry Packer paying $10 a year for 3 legally investigated by Senate. Howard did a h=bit of tweaking but then 6 years of Labor who should have been there making sure to close those loop holes and nada did nothing as still taking fat donations from those with intentions not to pay a cent more than they can legally get away with or illegally for all we know or hear about as media all paid above that 180K for deficit tax just the majority of us peons get caught with PAYE and very Little legal deductions. So AFAI am concerned both Libs/Labs are are bad,just one better at money management. I had hopes they wouldn't be mean.
    By that meant they would be fair to those with the least money and no ways to even work these days as neither have policed the 2004 Age Discrimination Act well enough and only recently got a Commissioner. PUP maybe the one that supports us but Clive is a bit unsteady in his views IMO too but seems to have his heart in the right place on pensions. Lets hope so as we need support for the elderly and the Greens who took 1.6 million largest single donation have lost the plot anyway have some good ideas then let themselves down wanting to let in even more dole recipients to start with anyway, whom no -one mentions as 18C says may offend them so clang mind your fingers. But cost billions over last 5 or so years. And still ongoing with over 30,000 left to process and meanwhile keep housed fed clothed and healthy. More so than many Aussies today with our homeless and poor.
    Rosscoe
    27th May 2014
    12:22pm
    Of course we should! This government has no idea! All they want to do is look after their mates.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:13pm
    Are You all right for Socks and Undies Tony ?? YODEL AY DEE HOO !!
    Mike Omment
    27th May 2014
    12:22pm
    I support the government changes that will come into effect in three years time.
    Greed is the cause of the problems we face now . Why shouldn"t pensioners contribute
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:20pm
    Yeah!! Give it Back !!
    niemakawa
    27th May 2014
    5:30pm
    They should of course. A small sacrifice to see the Country back on its feet again. A unified approach will bring results much more quickly. Just remember that once the Nation is back in the black with a thriving economy not to throw it all away again. Stick with the LNP they care about ALL Australians.
    Ginty 01
    28th May 2014
    12:43pm
    Yes, greed is the cause of the country's problems. The greed of the banks, the politicians, investors and the rest of the rich who all want more than their fair share.
    Huskie
    27th May 2014
    12:26pm
    Federal Budget 2014 (apologies to William Shakespeare)
    ACT I - SCENE I. Sydney. A Street.
    Enter A Pensioner, solo
    PENSIONER
    Now is the winter of our Nation’s debt
    Made glorious summer by the cuts of Hockey;
    And all the clouds that lour'd upon our future
    In the deep bosom of the Budget buried.
    Now are our Pensioned brows bound with victorious wreaths;
    Our bruised bodies hung up for monuments;
    Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
    Our dreadful health to delightful Budget measures.
    Grim-visaged war has smooth'd Cormann’s wrinkled front;
    And now, instead of mounting barded steeds
    To fright the souls of Labor adversaries,
    Hockey capered nimbly in his Parliament chamber
    To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:24pm
    But Hark !!!! What light through Yonder Window Shine ?? AHH !! Stuff !! Tis only the Glow of Joes Cigar !!!
    postage stamp
    27th May 2014
    12:28pm
    Whilst Abbott Government takes budgetary razor to Australia's most vulnerable,its revealed FUTURE FUND BOARD "guardians!" spend $12,000 on Christmas parties,and they tell us we must live within our nations means.ITS YOUR MONEY RALF.
    douwe26
    27th May 2014
    12:34pm
    I will help I am in Brisbane but I think any senior who is able to have ago and stand up to the ignorist politions who only think of one thing when they get into power
    Kathleen
    27th May 2014
    12:37pm
    The whole budget should be rejected by all thinking Australians. Look at Palmer's reply to the budget and his graphs that prove there is no budget emergency. Of course we need to care about our youth, our Uni students, our low income workers, etc. Anyone deluded into thinking that the measures of the budget are necessary need to do their own research. Do not be complacent about any of the unjust measures regardless of what party you support.
    HappySoul
    27th May 2014
    4:21pm
    Is this the same Clive Palmer who was recalcient when it paid to paying the Carbon Tax?
    Plus he has a HUGE credibility problem and was not only a member of the Liberal party but also a large donor till he had a dummy spit.

    I am not deluded at all and know steps have to be taken to rein in the debt this country has. Yes there could have been more cuts to some things, but tnis government has to start somewhere.
    ray from Bondi
    27th May 2014
    12:43pm
    yes, though it would not make any difference as our master do with that ants as they please, and have no idea how it living at the bottom.
    lindy
    27th May 2014
    12:51pm
    Yes Yes Yes we should also join n support the uni students as well; all together gives us a much stronger voice; and where are the parents of prospective uni students? They should be with us as well. One big noisy march up ( Macquarie St in Sydney) we have to show big numbers; visible big numbers. The only thing pollies understand is numbers!
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:29pm
    Yep!! Big Numbers 70,000 Big Numbers !!...OOOOW !!!!
    Sceptic
    27th May 2014
    1:23pm
    What a good idea. Double the pension, free university education for all. Just got to work out who will pay for it. Oh, could it be the children and grandchildren of all of the complainers that comment on this site. By that time the interest bill will be $12 billion a day instead of the current $12 billion a month. Cannot you see that all of the things that you want are being paid for out of borrowings?
    Anonymous
    27th May 2014
    1:44pm
    I agree with your comments Sceptic...just one error it is not $12 billion a month ;) it is one billion but if the interest rates rise (which they will eventually) we could be up for a darn sight more than a billion a month.
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    1:58pm
    Yes we need to change Sceptic but how about taxing those that can afford it for a change and not always hit those that can least afford it or don't have accountants to juggle their finances and hide the balance. The way wealthy people do this is a legalised form of cheating in my opinion.
    Sceptic
    27th May 2014
    2:30pm
    Thanks Radish, a slip of the pen, meant to say 12 billion a year. However, the point is the same. If the country has to borrow to pay interest, the borrowings and the interest bill increase. Plus, if, as you say, interest rates rise we have the same effect. I would just add, when, rather than if, interest rates rise. We need to pay down the borrowings before that happens, which is something most posters on this site do not seem to understand.
    Anonymous
    28th May 2014
    4:17pm
    Lots of room for bringing down expenditure like Tax A those middle class welfare but scared to lose their votes I reckon so hit B who are low income or single parents. and Pensioners who are so busy arguing (see meeting place) re Labor being better when neither are in touch with those who are not deep in the trough up to ankles only sticking out which may well be why out of touch with us. Then there is super concessions for all - they have had government dollar for dollar low incomes and rich have huge conessions too worth a few million even maybe billions in savings - but did they hit them or lets face it - some who wangle theirs so gt it out early spend it then go on the pension when meant for life and again those SFR who paid enough to be able to arrange things to get a whole $1 of age pension which entitles them to a concession card - why because they cant bear not to have on whilst the poorer do as think deserve any concessions. They have cut the Seniors Card which I knew would be changed but not cut altogether as too generous at the top end for my liking - but now gone this July I think. $876. But those on single top $50K or couple $80K top end didnt need the hand out. But also these are the ones whose money allows them to roam or sail around the world that perception to many means pensioners are well able to manage.
    Mez
    27th May 2014
    1:25pm
    Save Medicare demonstration is starting at 5.30pm this Fri. at the State Library in Melb.. Organised by ANMF, the nurses's union but all kinds of people come to these sort of things. Pensions will be eroded if Medicare goes and the $7 copayment is the start!
    Mez
    27th May 2014
    1:30pm
    GINTY - This website allows one to start up a petition IMMEDIATELY ONLINE! One just has to fill out some details.....TRY IT! You just have to type the below!

    Change.org
    Ginty 01
    28th May 2014
    12:56pm
    A petition is just a request and there is no obligation to do what it requests. That is why those in government always say they have a mandate as a mandate is an order that must be followed.

    27th May 2014
    1:41pm
    waste of time.

    27th May 2014
    2:06pm
    Demonstrate what? the charleston,the black bottom...lol
    Aquarian
    27th May 2014
    2:12pm
    I have been an aged pensioner for 14 months. My wife and I live on one government pension because she is not yet 65 and cannot work due to her health. So far we have NOT struggled as some seem to claim. However all our debts were cleared yers ago so we do not owe anything to anyone. We have had to make some adjustments to the way we spend, but other than that I cannot really see a problem. I have also NOT seen anything in this budget that is of great concern to me. But I have heard a lot of negative rumours. Should I be worried ?
    Aurora60
    27th May 2014
    2:20pm
    there's a huge amount of pensioners just sitting and accepting what this mean government is dishing out. Flood them with emails, get on their Facebook pages. Mark McGowan has a petition about the co-payment, sign it and put down your comments. Do whatever it takes to stop them from taking money from us. I've done my bit.
    Aquarian
    27th May 2014
    2:27pm
    I have NO problem paying $7 to go to my doctor. And after 10 visits in each year you pay nothing. So if you had 10 visits in a year it would cost you $1.34 per week. Why do so many people seem to want so much for nothing.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    4:50pm
    Aq.. I leeeerve Your Mathematics and who pays Your Gap between the Doc and the Medicare Return !! !! Did You go to the same University as Joe ??
    Rosie Girl
    27th May 2014
    5:21pm
    so you had $7.00 a visit for 10 visits is $70.00
    then divide $70.00 by 52 weeks in a year works out at $1.3461538 per week or $1.35 a week is what you pay...
    I understand what you are saying though will they change that is the future as a lot of people would use this up in 2 or 3 weeks with their visits ti the Drs...
    then you have the extra charges everytime you have an xray or blood tests etc
    it all mounts up..
    Anonymous
    28th May 2014
    4:39pm
    Aquarian I have heard many like you fresh out of work on the age pension say can manage but if you own your own home. will come a day when repairs etc and worn out appliances etc will start to loom large and not enough in the kitty with rising prices on food, power, water and rates as well as insurance and other needs like medicines and a married pair live on $45.25 a day each which is $90 so one and a half times the $60 a single gets. I do budgeting and help for people in strife and pensioners are backward unlike the youngsters at coming forward for help they 'manage badly' and suffer. Many go without food or stay in bed as cant afford to heat in winter or medicines needed.
    You I suspect being good at budgeting, have a stash of money saved ready for those crisis rainy days that not many have. And not after several years either.

    Not being nasty just saying heard it before but after a while all who were complacent change as get worn down with the continual rises that are not matched in their pensions.

    So please think of others and don't be complacence. Many with medical problems even chronic diseases like one of the 100 types of Arthritis have to pay out close to hundred a month just to be able to not go mad with pain - something I can relate too. Just the basic natural meds alone are around $80 a month then need on top others that the body lacks due to aging like D3 B12 on top of any drugs they have to get from the doctor then co-payment of $6 already and a levy if they want to have the original drug that works as some generics dont as well as original etc.

    No its a nasty mean budget and I hope we get the medical co payment stopped as well as indexation from 2017 being lowered to CPI as they discount it and pensions are already behind price rises before they get adjusted.
    Nickylou
    27th May 2014
    2:54pm
    This budget doesn't just affect the age pension, what about all the disabled, people in nursing homes whose pensions pay for their keep in hospital or in care,it's only he tip of the iceberg. If the Abbott/Hockey alliance get away with this budget the next step....well I'm afraid to think about it. Write, ring, or email your local Liberal member and let him know just how this budget impacts you and your family.Tell Tony, shape up or ship out!
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    5:53pm
    Only had one choice ! He Shipped Out !!..
    NEXT !!
    auzie3136
    27th May 2014
    2:55pm
    Ginty 01 is right I think it was in the Menzies period of government that taxes were raised to pay for our pensions. It was noted on all payslips. I have seen one shown to me years ago. Then mysteriously the mention of this tax disappeared.Maybe they thought people would forget this tax.SO WHERE DID THIS MONEY GO??????????
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    7:49pm
    Dunno ?? Ask Malcolm !
    Ginty 01
    28th May 2014
    1:02pm
    Yes, I believe it was in the Menzies era. Then the govt saw all that money sitting there "doing nothing" so thought they would "boost the economy" with it and make themselves look good. Can't recall which govt did it though.
    kosmo88
    27th May 2014
    3:18pm
    YES, the Victorian pensioners protest last year. I think they went naked or something like that. Go for it.! I'll be there.!!!!
    niemakawa
    27th May 2014
    5:41pm
    With clothes on I hope!
    particolor
    28th May 2014
    5:23am
    Lady Godiva looked Great !!
    Mar
    27th May 2014
    3:47pm
    YES, because there are so many sneaky ways the pensioners will get stung. They will be permanent conditions and we need to let the government know we are not idiots and it's unacceptable. Protest in whatever way is possible for you. It is the aged who fought for a good medical system, better education and treatment for pensioners. We cannot see it destroyed. I contacted my member of parliament and have already received a reply. We need to stand up for what the majority of us paid taxes for. Most pensioners have already paid their dues. Let the stronger, wealthier members of our society pay theirs, not penalize the pensioners.
    unicorn
    27th May 2014
    3:47pm
    I for one am all for it the trouble is as I see it is to get people to really listen to you. Most half listen and answer you about what they think you said and ignore what is actually being spoken about.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    6:06pm
    Yep !!..Most of us here get what You said all Mangled Twisted and Bent, and by the time we sort it out into some kind of Apprehension or is that Literary Appreciation and Understanding ,we have written all sorts of Tripe Or Nodded Off !!
    lucky
    27th May 2014
    3:56pm
    Can't believe some of you support the Government on its so called debt reducing methods impacting on pensioners, youth and even middle income Australians. These budget measures would cause many problems if introduced.
    Yes pensioners should be making a noise but how to do this ? Are there pensioner clubs out there.

    The lady telling Tony how she manages to live tells how it is for many. She does not own a house so paying rent is a problem now let alone any reductions in the future would cause her appalling problems. ( all Tony did was was grin and wink disgusting!)

    LETS MAKE A NOISE.
    Sceptic
    27th May 2014
    4:05pm
    Come on lucky, it has been well and truly revealed that she was a labour stooge and a well known activist planted by the ABC.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    7:28pm
    Protesting is Useless !! You will only Get trodden on By a Police Horse or Squirted by one of the Giant Water Pistols !!..I'm going to take a job as a Sex Worker to supplement My Pension ....
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    7:34pm
    Come on Sceptic you don't really believe that do you?, if you do then I think you are one of those people who believe that "Pigs might Fly", and Elephants are Pink.
    Dancer
    27th May 2014
    3:58pm
    Apart from marching in the streets - a good option but needs organisation - write letters to the Prime Minister, the Treasurer and your local MP if he/she supports the budget. Write also to the Senator for your area. A flood - and I mean flood! - of letters from pensioners will let them know that we are outraged at the inequality this budget holds - as Jimmy says, the cuts for the rich are temporary, the cuts for pensioners are permanent! Write now.. if every pensioner wrote a letter the Federal Parliament would get the message.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    7:35pm
    Can they Read ???

    27th May 2014
    4:00pm
    Far too much scaremongering...people need to look past the politics of all this and look at the bigger picture; do you want to leave all this debt to your children and grand children. We must bring down the debt and the huge interest we pay out. Do you think that pensions will be sustainable if we don't??
    HappySoul
    27th May 2014
    4:13pm
    Obviously there are some people who do not care about leaving a massive debt for their children and grandchildren to pay.
    Aquarian
    27th May 2014
    4:40pm
    I am with you Radish & HappySoul. I am an aged pensioner & I cannot understand what all the whinging is about. Looks like a lot of pensioners have never prepared for retirement, now it's up to someone else to bail them out !
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    7:47pm
    Yes that's Right ! I amassed a Fortune while raising My Grandchildren !! I should have put them in an Orphanage and Banked the money for My Retirement !!..To late now !!... Please Post Bail !!....
    Ginty 01
    28th May 2014
    1:07pm
    Knew I should have saved all that money that went to feeding the kids, getting them an education and giving them a start in life!
    HappySoul
    27th May 2014
    4:09pm
    So some of you paid taxes, just as I did but that is what we have to do regardless of where we live.
    Over all those years did you use the roads, did/do your children and grandchildren go to school, did you visit a library, did you visit a hospital for medical treatment, did you receive any form of family benefit, did you get insulation installed, did you accept the money handed out by KRudd and many other things?
    If you answered yes to any of those, well I have news for you - the taxes we pay are not solely for pensions as all these things listed actually came out of the taxes which the government collects.
    If anyone says they will not pay a maximum of $70 for 10 Doctors visit a year then they obviously do not value their life. To say their children and grandchildren cannot afford it is even more deplorable.

    I also note that those who are whinging and whining here, and on other forums, claiming they cannot survive etc, that the majority are doing ZILCH to help themself cope when these necessary changes come into effect.

    Stop being so selfish and start thinking of future generations, i.e. possibly your own children and grandchildren who will be paying this massive debt.

    27th May 2014
    4:10pm
    Misty you have a lot to say no doubt you are a pensioner and I would be too only I chose to work 7 days a week in as many jobs as I could so as I would not be a burden on society and now I can hold my head up High.
    Robo
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    7:30pm
    ROBO I worked until I was 63, I am 77 now, older and wiser then you apparently, my husband worked until he was 71 as a Fitter/ Turner/ Mechanic in the Snowy Mountains, out in all weathers and all hours and converted what Super we had into Allocated Pensions and also get a small part pension from the Govt which I don't feel guilty about after paying tax all those years. I only worked part time while my 4 children were young so I didn't have a big pension to retire on so don't lecture me ROBO ABOUT BEING A BURDEN ON SOCIETY. NOT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO WORK 7 DAYS, SOME PEOPLE PREFER TO HAVE SOME DECENT FAMILY TIME TOGETHER.
    Polly Esther
    27th May 2014
    4:10pm
    Me thinks Jimmy either has no conscience, is a shit stirrer, an opposition stooge or all of the above. Before he mentions this sort of nonsense why doesn't he offer to hand back the extras he was given, along with all of us, by the Rudd and Gillard 'good fairies'. The extra handouts that helped get the country into this financial predicament.
    Anonymous
    27th May 2014
    4:18pm
    Spot On.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    4:26pm
    Please Copy & Paste Your receipt for Handing Yours Back !! We want to see it !! ..
    You both live on Planet LIBERATO !! Where the Air is Nitrous Oxide !!..
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    4:19pm
    I think they should put Leads ON some of them Students !! they are only making a Big Noise here because they can !!..
    Kato
    27th May 2014
    4:31pm
    Being a democracy, then they have every right to don't they.
    Robo' making a generalised statement for pensioners, let's hope you don't need one some day, a pension or a pensioner. you see there are a lot of pensioners who give of there time in all sort's of charitable organisations so they are already doing there bit. fair enough there are some who don't. but we don't see your kind in any of those volunteer groups.
    Rosie Girl
    27th May 2014
    5:06pm
    Well said. I drop everything to help others that are in need, and often go without myself to help out. I also do alot of volunteer work have done for years even before I ended up on a Disability Pension.
    Kato
    27th May 2014
    4:35pm
    As usual they are targeting the wrong group. check there records and see how many FIFO'S are screwing the taxpayer, by saying they don't live at home, the same for a lot of shift workers who work day's and nights, some of them are away for over ten day's at a time, hence they qualify. leave the old alone you ROTTEN CORRUPT BASTARDS.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    7:14pm
    OOOW !!! That's Strong !! I thought OVERPAID STUFF SHIRTS !! Would have been Sufficient !!
    Retired Knowall
    27th May 2014
    4:42pm
    I am a self funded retiree, I worked 6 -7 days every week, didn't have holidays until my 2 boys were in their teens when we went camping.
    Because we were careful with our money and cleared all our debts and built a financial nest egg, Centrelink has advised us we are not entitled to a pension, nothing, not even a concession card. You people that whinge and moan about not having enough to live on and none of it your fault. Whos fault is it? We've all had it hard, some worked through it, most just sit back and hold their hand out.
    Give me a break.
    Aquarian
    27th May 2014
    4:48pm
    Well spoken. I agree entirely !
    niemakawa
    27th May 2014
    5:39pm
    Yes I agree. You should be entitled to a concession/health card at least. The reason many pensioners who complain they have nothing, can probably be attributed to the fact they did nothing to prepare for their retirement years. I admire you and people like you, who should be acknowledged and receive better treatment.
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    7:14pm
    Give me a break from people like you Retired Knowall, I worked until I was 63 and my husband 71, we get a part pension for which we are grateful, but not everyone is able to work in good paying jobs because of various reasons so the nest egg they are able to build may not be large enough to fully fund their retirement. People like you, Aquarian and niemakawa make me sick, show a bit of compassion for goodness sake for people who have not all had the breaks in life that you lot obviously have, and don't lump all pensioners together, none of you know the circumstances of the people you are riling against, not everyone was able to get a good education in the days these pensioners lived through, so don't tar everyone with the same brush. If I had a decent income coming in there is no way I would be applying for a govt pension.
    Anonymous
    1st Jun 2014
    7:14am
    "the media has been telling us for years that our population is ageing and it will get to the point in coming years that the Govt. will not be able to afford to keep paying the pension. " as you said Knowall

    Yes, we were warned about this...some took notice...many did not.
    Rosie Girl
    27th May 2014
    4:56pm
    yes i think it should be done to show them we are not happy
    particolor
    28th May 2014
    5:35am
    :(
    Rosie Girl
    27th May 2014
    5:00pm
    im a pensioner on a disability and i find it hard week to week to live ... so yes we should let the GOVERNMENT know we are not happy with the changes...
    particolor
    28th May 2014
    5:37am
    :(
    Ny19
    27th May 2014
    5:38pm
    The next lot of March Australia marches are in August Australia wide. Those who care to protest can March in them. Just google March Australia for info. Would be great though if we could organise our own protest marches for pensioners and the sooner the better.
    bookwyrm
    28th May 2014
    12:24am
    We should organise our own march as August is too far away.
    toot2000
    27th May 2014
    5:53pm
    I wouldn't dream of marching and making a spectacle of myself and nor would any other self-respecting pensioner I know, I show my disdain at the ballot box.
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    7:03pm
    It may be too late then toot2000.
    particolor
    27th May 2014
    8:07pm
    You were outgunned by the LYERAL PARTY I think ??
    jackeroo
    27th May 2014
    7:20pm
    No, but we should get our act together and field "Pensioner Party" candidates who will listen to the needs of pensioners. We can control the politics of this country IF we organise ourselves.
    jackeroo
    27th May 2014
    7:28pm
    I have found over the years, that "showing your disdain" (presumably AKA donkey vote) plays into the hands of he incumbent Government, except in Labors case when hey were sooo stupid over the years thinking they were invulnerable. If you're not happy with any party, then vote Independent, but Vote!!!!
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    8:22pm
    Jackeroo I too wasn't happy with the behaviour of the Labor Party over the last few years but I didn't just sit back I emailed everyone I wasn't happy with in the then Govt and told them what I thought of them, if enough people did this to the members they are not happy with we might get a different outcome at elections. I wish there were more politicians like Tony Windser and Nick Zenaphon to vote for, who knows Clive is looking pretty good at ther moment.
    Ginty 01
    28th May 2014
    1:12pm
    Here here Misty!
    Kato
    27th May 2014
    8:20pm
    Yes Particolor, you may well be right, but what we have been witnessing coming out of State Politics is enough for disquiet. No party can deny knowing or having had something to do with Obeid etc.
    particolor
    28th May 2014
    5:33am
    Yes the Corruption and Insider Trading is Rife in Both Major Parties !! That's why I vote for Neither Now !! We had Excellent Independents in this Aria Once, but they have now been Replaced by... Toe The Party Line !! OR Sit up the Back !!
    jimjon
    27th May 2014
    8:38pm
    I understand that the Member for Richmond is arranging a public demonstration in Tweed Heads early in June. Also, I believe other Federal Members will be doing a similar thing.
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    9:40pm
    What is the public demonstration about jimjon?.
    baza18
    27th May 2014
    8:59pm
    Moorbid is right - greed got us to where we are, everyone wanted higher wages & wanted more - now they have priced themselves out of a job eg. motor industry.
    Niemakawa is right also about the continual borrowings & interest also Aquarian, everyone wants so much for nothing & radish - why leave debt to grandchildren.Plus some people say - won't vote Liberal again, what & vote Labor in again & make it worse! People are selfish & think of themselves before their country. Thank Labor for this & now we all have to suffer a little pain
    Misty
    27th May 2014
    9:43pm
    A little pain baza18?, you obviously are not affected by this budget, a lot of BIG PAIN is coming under this LIEberal Govt.
    particolor
    28th May 2014
    5:40am
    :(
    jimjon
    27th May 2014
    10:19pm
    Misty, I believe it is to protest about details in the Budget
    Porthos
    27th May 2014
    10:20pm
    There are 9200 self managed super funds that have the potential to pay annual pension payments of a quarter of a million dollars (that's $250,000 a year!) tax free! And the government wonders why the ordinary person in the street resents the latest budget. Of course we should complain. Problem is that uni students organise through social media such as twitter and facebook and pensioners, in general, tend not to be daily users of these media which is why it's harder to organise a pensioner demo.
    Mar
    27th May 2014
    10:33pm
    Here!Here! Misty. I agree with you, and anyone who can't claim any pension or Centrelink card is pretty well off. Certainly wouldn't have any idea how some people have to survive.No matter how hard some people work it's all they can do to make ends meet.Everyones circumstances are different, "Judge not"!!!! Blind Freddy could see this budget is unfair and favours the better off and makes the poor poorer.We need to stand up and challenge it, not act like a "Retired Knowall".
    tuddles
    27th May 2014
    11:09pm
    Yes I have been wondering when Grey Power were going to do something,I believe that every town and city should march, I for one will use my wheelie to march.... there will be plenty of Gophers and wheel chairs as well.
    bookwyrm
    28th May 2014
    12:33am
    I went on March in March but couldnt walk so just waited at the other end for them and then there were speeches. Maybe we could just demonstrate in front of parliament houses and not actually march.
    particolor
    28th May 2014
    5:43am
    Great Idea !! I'll jump up and Down in the Nutty for them !! :)
    abundanced
    27th May 2014
    11:44pm
    I always thought that this country does not demonstrate enough about issues important to them. In the past we have just taken it on the chin but happy to whinge and whine just like we are doing here without taking any concrete action, which is why the govt makes promises and reneges time and time again. That said, Labor's endless spending has forced the Abbott govt to renege on it's promises in an attempt to bring our nation out of debt so that we will not have to struggle eventually. Make no mistake ... if Labor returns it will repeat it's pattern ... as the old saying goes "a leopard doesn't change its spots".
    bookwyrm
    27th May 2014
    11:56pm
    The same day students demonstrated I saw on TV an aged pensioners demonstration in Canberra. March Australia has had two nationwide demonstrations. I would like it if pensioners demonstrated and I would join in. Also lobby politicians of all parties by leaving messages on their Facebook pages, signing petitions, writing letters etc Let‘s protest and lobby this evil budgetp
    unicorn
    28th May 2014
    7:39am
    I will give my share when & if Gina Rinehardt pays her taxes, thaT ALONE WOUlD KEEP THE COUNTRY GOING.
    Retired Knowall
    28th May 2014
    8:48am
    Misty worked until was 63 and hubby worked until he was 67. Looks to me like they squandered their income. I worked till I was 67, most of the time with 2 jobs, neither of which was well paid, my wife worked until she was 65 packing shelves at Woolies. I would get at home at 5.30 and she would already be at work untill 11.00 pm.
    We practiced good economics to save for our retirement because the media has been telling us for years that our population is ageing and it will get to the point in comming years that the Govt. will be able to afford to keep paying the pension. We have all lived through the best of times, free education, full employement, low taxes, if you didn't take the opportunity to put enough aside for your retirement it's not my fault, not the govt's fault or your kids fault, it's yours. And yes I think you should demonstrate, it's probably the only exercise you will get.
    Sen.Cit.90
    28th May 2014
    11:18am
    Retired Knowall;
    I'm with you, I worked from the age of 14. After 6 years military service have worked continually; for many years in construction home and abroad (mostly 6 and 7 day p.w) and saved what I could until retirement at 65. A large proportion of my savings were lost in the 1987/8 downturn with Mr P Keating as Treasurer. On the strength of Keatings threatened attack on age pensions I followed advice and went to a 'Financial Adviser' big mistake. Fortunately I salvaged enough to buy a Unit but still pay rates etc. At present, We are not so badly done by (nor will be) as many subscribers above would have us believe. I regularly listen to ABC One at 2 pm Question time in Parliament; the ALP has not put one alternative proposal to the house and just behave as a bunch of hecklers when a question is being answered.
    Porthos
    28th May 2014
    10:14am
    Next March Australia to protest against government policies is on August 30/31
    Web site is http://www.marchaustralia.com/locations/
    Check in to see where your nearest march will be taking place.
    Note this is a grass roots protest ie set up by ordinary people, not politicians or unionists
    Ruthie
    28th May 2014
    10:42am
    Most certainly - take to the streets. Remember the Howard years when pensioners, especially single age pensioners, were struggling terribly. Over those 12 years Howard dismissed concerns and no increase other than indexation occurred. It took the Labor Government to address this problem. Anyone remember the pensioners who took to the streets and removed clothing so that men and women, all shapes and sizes and appeared in just their underwear. Courage. Let's do it again.
    Ruthie
    28th May 2014
    10:55am
    This is a crazy action by this stupid, wrecking government. None of the co-payment goes to support Medicare. That's right NONE! The co-payment of $7 will be split in the following way; $5 to the gold plated medical research program and $2 to the GP, pathologist, radiologist! Tony Abbott says the co-payment won't hurt much - does he mean himself? Yesterday in Question Time, Abbott refused to answer the questions related to this mean, stupid payment; how many children will miss out on vital vaccinations? How many women will not bother with PAP smears and how many men will not have vital prostate examinations? The accusations thrown at Abbott and Hockey, included that the poor and sick will be expected to fund the medical research program and at the same time the government is slashing funding to scientists and sacking hundreds of them. One of the answers put forward by Abbott was that sacked CSIRO scientists can be employed in medical research! What? Just how stupid is this fool of a PM? These scientist are not medical researchers. Time to hit back! Bring on a double dissolution and let's get rid of this government which supports their rich mates, robbing the poor and unemployed.

    28th May 2014
    4:25pm
    I too listen to Question Time and a lot of misinformation is being given out by Labor.
    For instance pensions are NOT going to be cut. There will get be increases in March and September this will continue.
    The supplements for single and couples will continue.
    Kato
    28th May 2014
    4:46pm
    Notice how the Liberal machine is swinging into action to belittle Clive Palmer. They did it to Pauline Hanson, beware when they legislate to weaken the powers of minor parties and Independent senators. You will have no rights then
    Anonymous
    28th May 2014
    5:05pm
    Yep shades of Pauline Hansen and One Nation cant have the punters going off and bringing in other than the 2 who have it made in Government or in Opposition eh,
    Only have to listen to Greens who are demanding same perks as a party that Labor has.
    And it was One Nation who took up the cause of pensioners on Age Pension.
    Because they brought out the real truth on where the pension money everyone paying income tax into for theirs when 65 went.

    Nick Minchin was asked and said never happened But it did. Started off same yer as UK did and their pension fund intact still not half inched and paid over into Consolidated Revenue like ours here a few decades back but the levy went with it and still today anyone working is paying in for their age pension.
    Do some research -Google "Elderly pensioners" or similar lost the link myself.

    Change Org link below for those who want to see petitions not sure if one current.

    http://www.change.org/en-AU/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=age+pension
    Anonymous
    28th May 2014
    5:20pm
    REfinded the link above to Australia only and lots on page 2 too to do things to mkae it fairer like MPs etc wait til 65 and Pensoners pay be set by a Tribunal or same maybe that sets theirs. 3 pay rises for Pollies in last 16 months. And I think its correct that the Tribunal knocked back the rise for July 1 2014 not Abbott. His pay if $550,000 when Obama is on about half and Cameron less again. Meaning they are all well overpaid down to the public servants who man the tribunal I suspect meaning get a fat paycheck.

    Come on sign the lot of these petitions I am as well as email your local member and top bods as well who likely wont read them but when the Parliamentary system goes down under the onslaught well will maybe think again as the backbenchers are worried as wont be back in 2016 now, will they?
    And who wants another round of borrowings like Shortens mob did for last 6 years - although he denies it ever happened - good at that are they not? All of them.
    Like both deny we all paid in for the pension, then got means tested out for many.
    Hockey on Q&A saying 80% of people over 65 are on the age pension. Yep that's why the Age Pension Act started off in 1909 and then got put into limbo when they took the Pension Fund. Now say it didn't happen? When did a government stop providing for the people pensions after starting off in that direction?
    Anonymous
    28th May 2014
    5:24pm
    http://www.change.org/en-AU/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=age+pension%2BAustralia

    Forget me head these days sorry link said was above - check out many petitions re Budget.

    See one for driving testing over 70's already did mine as 75 here. And a medical but they say now last one as only test in future.
    jimjon
    28th May 2014
    9:14pm
    Saw the Health Minister on Meet the Press today. He did NOT directly answer any questions put to him by journalists !
    Precious 1
    28th May 2014
    11:00pm
    Well whatever were you expecting...lolololol.......nothing new...
    Blossom
    28th May 2014
    10:50pm
    Those who may find it hardest are those who own their homes which may have been worth $35,000.00 in 1982 when everything breaks down and needs replacing at the same time. Some things are simply not repairable or would cost more than buying a new one.
    1. Washing machine. 2. Hot water Service. 3. Gas Stove (leaking connection indoors - parts not replacable -it was 35 years old). 4. Short circuit in electrical cables in ceiling(power was lost in part of the house). These all happened within 10 weeks.
    Precious 1
    28th May 2014
    10:58pm
    I read we are getting a rise in Pension 1st July........
    unicorn
    29th May 2014
    9:13am
    Yes Jimjon I too saw the wanker all he could say was that "we" have to charge this & that because of the mess Labor got the country in.
    Barney
    2nd Jun 2014
    10:58am
    Yes pensioners should protest where do we protest just let me know.
    people like Robo forget they will be a pensioner one day, and then he wont think pensioners are wingers.
    Finni
    24th Jul 2014
    10:44am
    Yep I would demonstrate on the the streets, get the uni students involved, it should be fun have a day out, cut lunch, use my free travel trip to melb, sleep on the train
    Just a shame that i have trouble walking
    The best idea would be for all the seniors to vote for the minor parties, next state elections in Victoria and Queensland will be interesting


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