The carbon tax is here to stay

The Senate yesterday voted to reject the carbon tax repeal.

The carbon tax is here to stay

…for now. The Senate yesterday voted to reject the carbon tax repeal, meaning it will remain as it is for the foreseeable future.

First thing yesterday morning it looked as though the legislation would be repealed, as the Palmer United Party (PUP) and Ricky Muir voted to bring the debate to a close and instead go directly to a vote. But at some point during the morning PUP leader Clive Palmer discovered that PUP amendments, submitted to the Government, had not been passed on to the Senate.

"All our amendment did really was to guarantee, make it mandatory, that the savings from the carbon tax repeal by energy producers, gas producers, electricity producers would be passed on down the line to consumers,” explained Mr Palmer.

Not passing this amendment on to the Senate for scrutiny meant that the amendment could not be voted on. If PUP had voted to repeal the carbon tax yesterday, this amendment would not have been in place to ensure savings are passed on to the consumer.

So instead PUP and Ricky Muir joined the Greens and Labor in voting against the repeal at lunchtime yesterday.

Clive Palmer claims he and his party have been “double-crossed” by the Coalition.

Earlier, Prime Minister Tony Abbott was heralding yesterday as "the day when the carbon tax is finally scrapped".

No matter what the real story is, it seems Mr Abbott spoke too soon.

What do you think? Is Clive Palmer playing games? Or did the Coalition really double cross him? And do you think he should have voted the carbon tax out, regardless of the amendments?





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    Ted
    11th Jul 2014
    9:36am
    I think probably both occurred. He really showed his true arrogant colours yesterday! We now see him for what he is a arrogant toad who believes he can say and do whatever he wants!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    11:54am
    You Don't Own Me ..
    Don't try and Rule Me in any Way..
    60's Song !!........
    MICK
    11th Jul 2014
    3:29pm
    I'm not sure yet what Palmer actually wants for himself. That is yet to come out but at this stage the man seems to be battling for average Australians. You cannot run him down for that.
    The media with its liberal party bias has been running the 'vandalism' story with Palmer but this is likely so that Australians will abandon those who are there to help them and return to the (corrupt) foal.
    THE CARBON TAX: Having nor read all of the post s yet I await the normal misinformed regurgitated rhetoric stating that electricity prices are high because of the Carbon Tax. Indeed Greg Hunt was given free reign on the ABC 7:30 Report last night saying exactly that. THIS IS A LIE and Hunt knew it. So did the presenter. But it was let through (several times) as 'comment'. Here are the sobering facts:
    1. The Carbon Tax makes up a very small part of your electricity bill. Have a look at the 'donkey' pie chart half way down the link:
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/7/10/policy-politics/palmer-joins-hewson-ret-love?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=819639&utm_campaign=cs_daily&modapt=
    2. The major reason why power prices have risen is that state governments (liberal!!!!) have invested huge amounts of our money in the poles and wires. The irony is that renewables already account for 10% of power produced, people have cut back and there was no reason for this investment.
    Scapegoating the Carbon Tax is the next lie from this government which is simply trying to repeal the Carbon Tax for one and only one reason: for the financial benefit for the coal and electricity generation industries.
    Sorry about the essay.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    4:05pm
    Read it !! And My Pole just arrived !! Nice Bloke !!
    Sceptic
    12th Jul 2014
    11:07am
    Mick you are a living example of it is better that people think that you are an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2014
    5:03pm
    I certainly am not a liberal party toolie Sceptic, nor will I support any side of politics which refuses to dothe job in the interests of the nation.
    I notice that you do not argue any facts but rather make a statement. That is the manner in which "idiots" operate.
    Adrianus
    14th Jul 2014
    7:35am
    mick, you say "That (what he wants) is yet to come out but at this stage the man seems to be battling for average Australians. You cannot run him down for that." Palmer is taking people like you for a ride! His "cleverness" will be his undoing in the end. He will be out of politics before the next election.
    Patriot
    11th Jul 2014
    9:48am
    THE SNEAKY "ROTTERS" CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED AS IT WOULD SEEM THEY TRY TO GET THIS PASSED VIA DEVIOUS MEANS!!!
    Or were they just - once again - proven to be totally incompetent????

    Which ever way, it just proves that WE THE PEOPLE MUST be very careful & Guarded to ever trust them!!!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    3:43pm
    Yes !! Put the Rotten Sneakers in the Garbage Skip !!
    Patriot
    11th Jul 2014
    9:55am
    Thanks Clive
    Although the Billions of Dollars in the bank make it very hard to trust that you'll truly be able to perceive issues from our level, this time you've certainly protected the Aust tax payer.
    heyyou
    11th Jul 2014
    12:10pm
    Patriot, spot on, can only wait and see.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2014
    5:04pm
    You have to watch the bastards.
    Ny19
    11th Jul 2014
    10:16am
    There is no way this Abbott government can be trusted in any which way. Clive and his PUPS did the right thing. I wish we were retaining the carbon tax but since there is no hope of that I think at least Clive is looking out for our interests in the repealing process. Good on him!
    tia-maria
    11th Jul 2014
    11:57am
    Robiconda, yes I aslo agree with your comment.............PM Abbott is saying its an inexperience Senate????? what makes our PM Tony Abbott more experience??? especialy with his FOOT AND MOUTH dISEASE.
    Ny19
    11th Jul 2014
    1:38pm
    Abbott doesn't like anyone to stand in his way and he has shown yet again that he has no negotiation skills and diplomacy. His aggressive style of opposition to anyone countering his will is well known.
    Ny19
    11th Jul 2014
    1:43pm
    And yes, if TA is the model for political experience then give us more newbies!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    1:47pm
    I'm waiting for Him and the Treasurer to Chuck a Temper Tantrum in Parliament !!
    Aloysius
    11th Jul 2014
    11:25am
    The Senate is obstructing the elected government. It's about time that we amended the Constitution to abolish the Senate. It is supposed to represent the States but it has not done that in memory. We could get rid of the duplication between States and Federal governments at the same time by sharing the States' powers between the Federal Government and City Councils.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    12:06pm
    What a Great Idea !! Get rid of the Senate !!
    And get Ridden Roughshod over by the Speedo Bandit Gang !! Bring it On !!
    heyyou
    11th Jul 2014
    12:20pm
    The Senate is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, examine all legislation proposed by the government and requiring changes or protection on behalf of the people. Great to see democracy in action, it has been sorely missed over the last 2 decades.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2014
    3:36pm
    Aloysius: have you ever wondered WHY the senate has a different term to the lower house? You clearly do not understand that the senate is a SAFEGUARD to stop dangerous decisions. For instance, if AUstralia decided to start a war with China then having only one house would mean that it could inflict self destruction on the nation. Clearly even you would then be calling for a senate to prevent this.
    Believe me when I say that smart people than us have thought this through. There is indeed a very good reason for having the senate. I for one would be thinking about emmigrating the day it was removed.
    Aloysius
    11th Jul 2014
    3:48pm
    Boy, have we been hoodwinked . House of Review my foot. It's a legacy of the British House of Lords, populated by the aristocracy to prevent the peoples' elected house having its way. Most politicians are ruled by their parties and our crazy electoral system allows ridiculous Senate results where people with no real interest in following their conscience can hold the government of the day to ransom. This applies whoever is in power in the lower house. NZ has no upper house and it is no worse off for its absence.
    MITZY
    11th Jul 2014
    3:50pm
    I agree Mick, I would find solace elsewhere too. The Senate is a House of Review. Even if a government is elected carte blanche and thinks it an get away with anything it proposes, because it won so many seats, it needs a Senate to keep it in check. Give them an inch, and they take a mile.
    Mick: I am enjoying the changes this new blood of senators brings its nice to know that the government has to be on its toes and cross its T's and dot its I's.
    More of this, you've just about convinced me to "find" a good Independent.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    3:55pm
    Mick.. Sri Lanka would be a Great Tropical Destination now for You to Emigrate to !!
    Being nearly Empty now with all the Refugees out at sea heading for Easy Street Down Under !!.. You will easily get a job picking Tea Tips in the Abandoned Plantations !!
    MICK
    11th Jul 2014
    4:55pm
    Aloysius: You sound like a lost cause mate. Read some of th eother (informed) posts and learn a bit about the WHY.
    So do you also believe that high electricity prices are the result of the Carbon Tax????

    particolor: don't like the climate mate. But give me Colorado and I'll go. Maybe a few folk who have copped a bit of lip on this site might even buy my tickets......oh where are those darned smilies Yourlifechoices staff? I mean how can you run a serious blog without a bit of humour?
    Aloysius
    11th Jul 2014
    5:06pm
    Mick, there are none so blind as those who will not see reason. The Senate is and has been a travesty for many years. It is not a house of review despite your rhetoric. It is a house whose parents never married.
    dippity
    11th Jul 2014
    5:13pm
    Aloysius, the NZ parliament may have no upper house but it does have dedicated time for citizens to appear before parliament to express their concerns...far superior to our system where we are told what we want by the government. It would be detrimental to us all if the senate were to be removed.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    5:37pm
    Mick.. I've always said that !! Where are the Emoticons to Cheer Up some Sad Sacks !!..
    But like some other sites they are sometimes abused and Over Used !! But not by us Down to Earth Serious People !!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    5:43pm
    That's a bit Rough up there !! I think they were all Married on fact finding Excursion to Memphis at the Tax Payers Expence by a Fake Elvis Preacher !!
    Ny19
    11th Jul 2014
    8:01pm
    Aloysius,
    Qld has no Senate either so Campbell Newman has had carte blanche to do whatever he wants since his massive win, with no checks in place. Not good for Qld.
    Patriot
    12th Jul 2014
    6:58am
    Aloysius
    Don't forget that the Senate was also elected by us!
    Patriot
    12th Jul 2014
    7:00am
    Robiconda
    Indeed, CAN DO man is a TRUE DICTATOR!!!!
    Not good for Queensland and Democracy in general.
    Aloysius
    12th Jul 2014
    9:37am
    The Senate is not good value for money. It does not perform its constitutional role of representing the States. 74 senators are paid excessive salaries and even more excessive allowances. They get excessively generous pensions. They have excessive travel and employ massive numbers of staff. I haven't done the sums but the annual cost is in the tens of millions. It would be spent more fruitfully on health care, education, etc. Australia is over-governed.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2014
    9:44am
    Yes ..Would be better wasted on Asylum seekers than those Scruffy Lot !!
    Sceptic
    12th Jul 2014
    11:16am
    The Senate is an anachronism. House of review does not mean a house of blocking. The lower house is always more representative than the Senate. The UK House of Lords, on which the upper house system is based got rid of the ability for the upper house to block legislation many years ago, we should catch up. The Senate was set up as a State's house to protect the interests of individual States, but with party political alignments that purpose has long since disappeared as the interests of individuals, in the case of the independents and political and interests in the case of particularly the Greens and the ALP are the only things that matter to them.
    FrankC
    16th Jul 2014
    4:12pm
    I guess the Senate approves or disapproves a bill (!) So can somebody please explain: what is the Upper House, the lower House, the House of Legislature, and the House of Assembly. Surely. there are toooooo many.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    2:46pm
    Frank yes - just like the Pollies in them far to many of them in Canberra. I asked for a caretakers job there, but still waiting for a response. I thought it would get me off the Pension Im just three months shy of seventy.
    Hawkeye
    11th Jul 2014
    11:32am
    Well, at last we have the makings of a democracy again. Thanks Clive.

    This is the senate working as it should, a HOUSE OF REVIEW.
    We haven't had this since Don Chip's attempts to KEEP THE BASTARDS HONEST.

    Tony's criminals have been caught out once again trying to govern by deciept.
    I am really ashamed to be Australian with this criminal at the helm.

    And please don't think I am a Labor stalwart from these comments. I am a swinging voter, and I believe rusted on one-eyed Liberal or Labor voters should not have the right to vote in a democracy. We need to think carefully about the cosequences of our actions before casting our vote.
    tiger
    11th Jul 2014
    12:06pm
    I agree democracy at its best. But don't forget this is only the Carbon Tax issue- wait till the Budget items appear. I hope Clive and his party stick to their word and toss most of that out as well. Interesting times ahead.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    12:20pm
    "There will be NO cuts to.... Swung Most of them !!..
    All I thought at the time was "(What Crap)"...
    heyyou
    11th Jul 2014
    12:25pm
    Absolute agreement true democracy over dictatorship any day.
    KSS
    11th Jul 2014
    5:13pm
    Well No Hawkeye. Clive Palmer did not draft his own amendments in line with the constitution and was trying to force action on the Senate that the Senate cannot enact. It was Mr Palmer's fault that his own amendments could not be circulated thereby causing the Senate to vote down the bill to abolish the carbon tax. This has nothing to do with Mr Palmer being the saviour of democracy OR of Mr Abbott trying to deceive anyone. It is Mr Palmer not knowing what he is doing and causing chaos.

    11th Jul 2014
    11:41am
    what a load of rubbish..... it's not here to stay.....it will be repealed in time..HOW ABOUT STOPPING THE PANIC HEADLINES.....hee, hee
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    12:13pm
    STOP PRESS...DEPOSITS ON BOTTLES AND CANS TO BE ABOLISHED IN VICTORIA ....
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    11:57am
    What Next ??? Next thing You lot will be wanting FREE AIR !!!
    tia-maria
    11th Jul 2014
    12:03pm
    particolor, you have enough free wind for all of us.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    12:10pm
    Just Got Back From The Windy City..
    Canberra ..YAY !!
    tia-maria
    11th Jul 2014
    12:12pm
    Yes understand Canberra is very windy at this present moment?
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    12:15pm
    Parliament Door was left Open !!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    12:27pm
    "Friends Romans and Countrymen ..Lend Me Your Ears !!"
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    2:55pm
    whose Tony's ears, that's enough for the countrymen.
    Jenny
    11th Jul 2014
    12:47pm
    I'm not a great admirer of Clive, but must say he has done the right thing with this. How else were we to be guaranteed that the reduction in power costs would be reflected in our bills? I can easily foresee that without legislation being drafted for it, that we would be left with no advantage after all
    tiger
    11th Jul 2014
    12:58pm
    Take a closer look at Clive read between the lines what he has to say. You will benefit from what he is about. Wait till the pension issue comes up and he blocks that. Everyone will come out of the woodwork to Thank him immensely.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    1:02pm
    Thank You Clive !!
    Willy Woodworm ....
    MITZY
    11th Jul 2014
    3:59pm
    Agree with you Jenny: With all the lies we got about no cuts to this and no cuts to that, who could guarantee if the Carbon Tax was passed without the insertion of the clauses guaranteeing the costs the energy companies are supposed to pass on to us, that it would have really happened. Tony Truthlessness would somehow take the side of the coal/electricity/gas companies and we would be down the gurgler once again.
    The best thing that happened in the last election was to get a lot more independent senators from various walks of life, it will keep both Labor and Libs very toey. Don Chipp will be looking down from above with a great smile on his face.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2014
    4:49pm
    MITZY: read my comment at the top. The carbon component in your electricity bill is very small. This is a part of the Abbott scare campaign which won over voters. Another lie which many pundits have already shown for what it is. But you wouldn't have thought so given Greg Hunt's attempts on the 7:30 Report last night where he again tried to sell the carbon tax/high electricity bills lie.
    The electricity generators have already applied for increases. Now that tells a story.
    Misty
    15th Jul 2014
    11:15am
    Jenny anyone who thinks their power bills will come down has rocks in their head, Gas and Electricity companies have already said they want to increase their prices, and who is an average family anyway?, everyone has a different bill, some large some small, the most you may save over a year with the Carbon Tax gone is $70.00 maybe not even that as Woollies and Coles say they will not decrease their prices as they absorbed the costs and didn't pass them onto consumers. Is this small amount of savings worth the cost of doing nothing about Climate Change and the environment, and will our children look back in the years to come and wonder how we could be so stupid?.
    Kathleen
    11th Jul 2014
    12:50pm
    Just watched the interview on ABC with Palmer. He described bullying by LNP who visited the rooms of new Senators to harass them. The changes need to go through the lower house first and Palmer would not agree until that occurs. Whether you like this man or not, he straight talks in words that the ordinary person can understand. He is ensuring that the $550 is passed onto households. The government is tricky and would seek to keep the public in the dark as much as possible.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    12:52pm
    Tricky Dicky Was Impeached !!
    tiger
    11th Jul 2014
    1:02pm
    I watched the ABC interview as well and good on Clive for walking out should be more of it with some of those standover interviewers.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    1:04pm
    Hot Light and Rolled up Newspaper don't work on Clive !!
    KSS
    11th Jul 2014
    1:47pm
    Be very careful GrandmaKathleen22. No-one will get $550.The $550 will NOT go to all households so don't hold your breath waiting for a cheque. The only people who may not have to PAY $550 are those whose bills do not attract that much extra due to the carbon tax. In my own case I don't use that much power so my bills will not reduce by much. It is also my understanding that most power companies have stopped charging the carbon tax since 1 July 2014 in anticipation that it would be repealed. Any who haven't would only need to return the amount charged between 1 July and the date the law is repealed. I doubt anyone will have accrued $550 in carbon tax in that timefame.

    If Clive Palmer were 'fair-dinkum' he would be after all companies (not just power companies) who have already said their prices will not fall even if the carbon tax is repealed such as Qantas, Virgin Australia, Woolworths and Coles!
    Misty
    15th Jul 2014
    11:21am
    Grandma there will be no $550.00, that modelling was done in 2011 and even Tony Abbott himself won't commit to that amount now, he just says the average family will be better off, well we will just have to wait and see won't we.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    11:04am
    Particolor - it depends what is in the rolled up newspaper. besides it would have to be a bloody big newspaper.
    Reeper
    11th Jul 2014
    1:17pm
    This event showed how UN-knowledgeable Palmer and his PUPs are in parliamentary procedures. It is an embarassment to both sides of parliament that such a man and Senators with such limited knowledge can hold a nation to ransom. Whether you believe in the Carbon Tax or not, what is important is that Clive Palmer is unable to accept his own limitations and as soon as he is exposed, he starts lashing out at anyone within range. The government didn't double-cross him, he double-crossed himself. I am not a religious person, but I am praying his financial dealings with the Chinese uncovers a deceitful man who believes he controls parliament with his Senators and has been playing with the ledgers to his advantage. Would be nice to see him facing fraud charges allowing parliament to move ahead.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    1:25pm
    Yes and while Yer at it put Your Hero up on a LYING CHARGE !!
    Hawkeye
    11th Jul 2014
    2:12pm
    Reeper - What a load of garbage.

    You are obviously one of the one-eyed Liberal voters I refer to above (and Labor types are just the same) who should not be allowed to vote.

    You have no idea of how a democracy works. Four senators cannot hold a government to ransom. After all, they only have four votes.

    What they can do however (and what they were elected and are paid to do) is to vote for or against legislation put to the Senate. In this case they voted against unjust legislation with their four votes. Other senators also voted against this unjust legislation, resulting in a majority of votes against.

    This, my poor uninformed Reeper, is called democracy. It is based on the concept of "MAJORITY RULES", a concept which you (and our two major political parties) would get rid of if you could.
    Capn Dan
    11th Jul 2014
    1:34pm
    The major parties are both the dirty sides of the same bent coin. Heads or tails we lose. At least Clive is giving them all 'the business'. And the media hacks are copping it too, and about time. Wow! a businessman who can read a contract a see where the government is fiddling the books. About time!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    1:38pm
    Well Said Capn...
    KSS
    11th Jul 2014
    1:56pm
    Mr Palmer would know about fiddling the books. He has just been ordered to repay a business partner $1.5 million he used for his election campaign. And that does not include the Chinese 'partners' checking what he did with their money either.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    2:12pm
    That's like Plucking a Feather out of a Fat Chook !!
    tiger
    11th Jul 2014
    4:06pm
    Sure I laugh along with Clive at least he talks straight so that the ordinary person understands. Not the usual garble that most Polies try to bluff us with. As far as in -experienced new Senators one has to start somewhere, we are forgetting that. We when young first job had no experience and had to learn as we went ahead we all should remember that. Follow the Senate along with Clive and be thankful
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    3:02pm
    Im trying to fatten my chook up so I can pluck it,
    Polly Esther
    11th Jul 2014
    1:42pm
    He's amusing himself, having a joke at our expense. On matters of importance that affect us all the question he poses is, and asks us to guess the answer to, is will he or wont he, and of course he finds it all so amusing to keep everyone guessing and he finds it all so hilarious each time he changes his mind. Anyway the punch line is, he's laughing at our expense, not to mention of course the millions a day out of your pockets, yes think about it, each time he changes his mind. What a laugh. And really laugh out aloud as you read about the moans of the peasants and how they are worrying about the state of their pensions and the size of their wallets. Come on,lets all have a laugh along with Clive, for the laughs on us.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    1:56pm
    Its about time We got some Entertainment from those Overpaid Stuff Shirts and lets put it this way, it wont make a Scrap of Bloody Difference which way they Swing the Cat !! You wont be any Better or Worse off than You Presently are !!..How much is a Pensioner Concession Ticket in the Back Stalls next Week ?? I LEEERVE Comedys ....
    MICK
    11th Jul 2014
    3:42pm
    I am seldom amazed but am today. Having real all the comments NOT ONE has insisted that the Carbon Tax is the reson why we have high electricity prices.
    Congratulations bloggers. And if you need more details (and proof) then have a read of my comment right at the top (first comment). Sorry about the length. Please try to stay awake.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2014
    4:14pm
    Read it !! No Nodoze Needed !!
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    2:50pm
    Particolor - or which way a Pollie swings.
    Mar
    11th Jul 2014
    5:56pm
    mick, I think the problem is that the majority don't really understand the ins and outs of the carbon tax. We have had a lot of misinformed or no input at all. I believe you are right about the media's liberal party bias. Thanks for your input. I'm sick of the Govt.,scapegoating and blaming others for their own ineptitude.
    KSS
    11th Jul 2014
    8:11pm
    That would be Mr Palmer's ineptitude. He did not draft his own amendments properly and scuppered his own plans. Blaming Mr Abbott and the Government is scapegoating in this case.
    Misty
    15th Jul 2014
    11:27am
    Yes Mar I agree, I read a comment on the SMH news site who said of Tony Abbott, "This bloke couldn't organise a round of beer in the pub", I agree with that statement wholeheartedly, Labor were a disgrace in the last term of Govt ( and I vote Labor ) but this lot are even worse.
    Mar
    11th Jul 2014
    6:04pm
    Well, Clive Palmer has thrown "a spanner in the works" and maybe it's not such a bad thing. Hilarious watching parliament running around like chooks with their heads cut off. It's all such a farce . They say that calm often comes after chaos. Let's hope that's true.
    particolor
    15th Jul 2014
    11:35am
    He wants His Spanner back !!
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    2:57pm
    Ring, or open ender.
    jimjon
    11th Jul 2014
    8:42pm
    I am happy enough to let Clive continue his checks and balances, which have been overpowered in the past by blind Party rules.
    Not Senile Yet!
    12th Jul 2014
    1:36am
    You all missed who it was that found the inappropriately worded Bill that was presented by the Liberal Buffoons for approval.
    It was the Independent Member (Ricky Muir) who noticed that if it was passed there was no guarantee that the Costing for the Carbon Tax that was added to everyone's bill (regardless) would be removed or returned to our pockets.
    In other words....Tony was removing it only from Law.....not from our bills! Now that was not what he told Clive he was doing.......so when Clive found out he was being sneeky....Tony lost Clive's vote!
    AND GOOD ON HIM!
    Tony got caught out telling the Independants Lies to try and pass the Bill how he had rigged it!!!
    Liar Liar Pants on Fire MR.Abbott!!!
    As for no Senate in NZ.....that's why they all want to live in OZ buddy! Besides....in NZ... they lost their penalty rates on Holidays and weekends.....because they have no Senate to reject the Party line! Now they work longer hours for less money because of it!
    Have friends there and they all want to come back to OZ....the NZ dollar is worthless because of inflation!
    Patriot
    12th Jul 2014
    6:16am
    Really shows what our government is all about.
    THEIR OWN AGENDA ONLY - STUFF THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Not Senile Yet!
    12th Jul 2014
    1:48am
    Aloysius......you need to enlarge your research of facts ......NZ people are indeed far worse off without a Senate to check the legislation before it is enacted.
    As for the history lesson with regard the "House of Lords" from England........you also need to know that our Constitution is an ADAPTION of the American, Canadian, French and English Models and therefore is quite UNIQUE in the World.....(ie only one of it's kind)......CHECK YOUR FACTS MATE!...modelled on does not mean THE SAME!
    In fact Read the about our Aussie Constitution and how it came to be formed......before you make untrue assertions!
    You may Find a book by John Smith (former legal advisor on the Constitution to more than one Govenor General)
    Patriot
    12th Jul 2014
    6:24am
    The Aust Constitution is quite good indeed. Senate is a MUST as was again proven.
    Whilst I personally do not care much for the Queen, just imaging these CLOWNS now in power being in charge of writing a new Aust Constitution!!!!!?????
    What we - as a people - MUST DO is to ENFORCE the current constitution which has been circumvented ever since it was introduced and even more so at an accelerating pace in the past 20 years.
    The Queen's Coronation Oath's give us tremendous power if we - as a general - only knew they were there and learned how to use them.
    That is probably why the Constitution is and has not been taught in our education system as a COMPULSORY subject. TO KEEP US FROM USING OUR POWER!!!

    There is no happier SLAVE than the one who thinks that he is free.
    That is the situation with us, the Aust people!
    Aloysius
    12th Jul 2014
    9:44am
    I'm glad that you are happy to spend taxpayer dollars on politicians in the world's most over-governed democracy. I'd rather see it spent on services. I didn't get my masters degree in political science from lack of research into the political system.
    Fred
    12th Jul 2014
    8:38am
    Mick you say the power prices have gone up due to state governments (liberal) investing in poles and wires that may be so but to say it was liberal governments is misleading here in Queensland the power prices have been going up for a couple of years now and up until late last year we had a Labor Government that left an $80 Billion hole which we have to somehow find the money to reduce it.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2014
    8:54am
    No doubt Alfred E Newman has a MAD Plan to fix it ?? You Pay !!..
    And a Tad extra for Polly's Crackers !!
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2014
    5:11pm
    In WA the main reason our power prices keep going up is due to lack of maintenance by both state goverments liberal and labor over many many years.
    big 1
    12th Jul 2014
    10:04am
    Palmer is doing what other parties have done in the past , make amendments to bills that he feel would suit the people.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2014
    10:38am
    THE PALMER CALMER.............. do it TONY...... just DO IT man
    particolor
    12th Jul 2014
    4:25pm
    You are all Invited tonight to the Speakers Lounge Parliament House for a Garlic Snails and Frogs Legs Banquet...
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    2:59pm
    Ok' but what is the entrée ?
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    3:01pm
    At least there wont be any labour whalla's there, the speaker has banned them .
    Fred
    13th Jul 2014
    8:16am
    Mick 11th Jul 2014 I think you may be a bit mixed up there when you say "The media with it's liberal party bias" if anything the media is more pro Labor than Liberal.
    Misty
    15th Jul 2014
    11:33am
    What planet are you living on X3Ps?, not this one or obviously you are not reading the Australian, DT and all Rupert's newsprint or watching hIs TV, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BIASED I HAVE GIVEN UP BUYING THEM, now I just read the SMH instead.
    Fred
    15th Jul 2014
    1:55pm
    Misty I live on the planet Earth have you ever heard of it. Do you only buy the SMH because it agrees with your point of view I bet you also say that the ABC is NOT biased against the Liberal Party.
    blessed
    13th Jul 2014
    9:21pm
    its working. the carbon tax. it is proven and it is not costing us much to keep the emission down so that the planet will not be destroyed for our next generation. get real with this carbon tax. Look at your values....what is is really costing and how much does one waste ones money on junk.
    Fred
    14th Jul 2014
    8:23am
    I think that the global warming is like the Y2K bug billions spent and in the end nothing happened to those who never had anything done to their computers. It is a money making machine for some scientists and little by little more and more facts are coming out against the Doom Sayers.
    Mike Omment
    13th Jul 2014
    10:19pm
    particolor .......time to have your medication reviewed urgently
    particolor
    14th Jul 2014
    8:55am
    Most probably unlike You I don't have to take anything ..Goodbye !!

    14th Jul 2014
    2:41pm
    CARBON TAX REPEALED
    particolor
    14th Jul 2014
    4:45pm
    Doesn't worry Me !! Nothing will Change in that Department !!
    Tell Me when something Life Changing Happens !!..
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2014
    9:06am
    DO not know if it has happened just getting in first when it is...hee, hee
    Misty
    15th Jul 2014
    11:29am
    Only half way there PIXAPD.
    Joycey
    14th Jul 2014
    5:44pm
    I agree with Mick. The 'tax' has been working, reducing emissions. Why shouldn't those who produce the large emissions pay to do so? I cannot understand why so many think it is preferable to pay them to make a reduction. Though it is a pity that Clive Palmer is the one to fight. The ALP ought to be fighting to keep the tax. Fran
    Fred
    14th Jul 2014
    7:10pm
    Could you please tell us non believers what emissions have been reduced.
    particolor
    14th Jul 2014
    7:58pm
    The Air still smells The Same to Me as it did in 1960 ??? Only its More Expensive than it was then ??...
    Fred
    15th Jul 2014
    2:00pm
    I heard on the radio today that a person had sent in a comment to a newspaper (unfortunately I missed which newspaper it was) but this person stated that the War in Syria started because of Global Warming because it had caused a drought in the country. Now if that is the case it is a wonder we have not had civil wars every few years in Australia. With comments like this person said just goes to show how idiotic the argument is.

    15th Jul 2014
    9:08am
    Parliament ? the greatest comedy routine of all time, State and Federal.....
    particolor
    15th Jul 2014
    9:31am
    I want ALL the Carbon I've PAID FOR !!..
    I'm Opening a Pencil Factory !!.
    457 Visas Accepted !!
    Learning-Life
    15th Jul 2014
    4:09pm
    This is the God Factor in Life. The right things for the big picture will keep evolving or there will be conflict. So now another conflict has been avoided.
    Suddha
    15th Jul 2014
    4:29pm
    Palmer is an idiot. Those who voted for him & his Pups are bigger idiots.
    We voted for a Govt. be it Labor or Liberal but these independent idiots are wanting to take control. A referendum should be held to abolish the Senate who are well paid and only cause trouble. Mr. Howard should bite the bullet and call a double dissolution immediately and put these idiots back in their proper place. A rich idiot like this need not hold a seat.
    Patriot
    15th Jul 2014
    4:39pm
    Suddha,

    You forgotten to take you pills.
    Howard is "LONG GONE"
    particolor
    15th Jul 2014
    5:50pm
    Yes Johnny is long gone on His Luxurious Well Earned Pension For Life !!..
    Anonymous
    16th Jul 2014
    8:28am
    Howard served 11 years
    Gillard served 3
    Rudd about 2 and a half.


    All ex PM's get a nice cushy life after they exit politics but at least Howard served 11 years unlike the other two.
    Anonymous
    16th Jul 2014
    10:05am
    I know an ex PM and he does not get that..... don't know of many ex Post Masters who do.
    Anonymous
    16th Jul 2014
    10:08am
    Having CLIVE makes things interesting, better than the years of boring PARTIES.... I like to see what hand grenade Clive throws next HA HA
    Anonymous
    16th Jul 2014
    10:14am
    SUDDHA... How did you ever get into Australia?,,,oh that's right you came here when Howard was Prime Minister...and you answered the question ' Who is Prime Minister of Australia?....... you do know that since then we have had a few PM's ? OR did you arrive by boat?
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    11:49am
    The Carbon Tax is gone!! Senators voted 39-32.
    Abby
    17th Jul 2014
    2:47pm
    Sure glad about that it will make Australia more competitive and the more important part is that my electricity bill should be lower.

    Whilst I would not have minded paying it if it was re utilized in Australia to decrease CO2 emission in Australia but 20% was sent off to United Nation to do whatever with??
    Besides Australia produces less than one percent of Co2 in the world - why should we be the only ones to pay.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    11:51am
    Life for Abbott after tax axe falls

    What's next for Tony Abbott?

    The prime minister has delivered on his key election promise to abolish the carbon tax following a fight he has pursued like a zealot since seizing the Liberal leadership from Malcolm Turnbull in December 2009.

    That win was based on his promise to renege on the deal with the then-Rudd Labor government to create an internationally-linked emissions trading scheme (ETS) with generous compensation for affected industries.

    In the aftermath, Turnbull urged the Liberals to adopt a coherent policy to tackle climate change and avoid irrelevance at future elections.

    "The Liberal Party has to be a party of today and tomorrow," the embittered ex-leader said.

    Few voters have any expectation the coalition will offer more than a fig-leaf approach to climate change, which will have its political positives and negatives.

    Now that Abbott has laid waste to the legacies of Rudd and Julia Gillard - who he says destroyed jobs and left Australians with record debt - he must set a new agenda
    Anonymous
    17th Jul 2014
    1:31pm
    Next will be REJECTION OF any SAME SEX marriage bill, for NO such wickedness should be legal...marriage is between a man and woman. That lesbian Penny Wong has been raving on against anyone who opposes such a thing and calls them homophobic, and attacks citizens that disagree with her lifestyle..... just mean she suffers from GODOPHOBIA..... parliament is no place for sodomites, catamites or lesbians to attack citizens.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    10:49am
    Well Tony should leave, he did say to Tony Windsor when trying to buy his vote, I will do anything to become PM of Australia even bending over and taking it up the rear.
    forget any iota of any pollie having any of there Christian values left whilst serving in politics. I never worry about life, my mantra, IN THE LORD I TRUST.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    12:01pm
    Great just waiting for all the costs associated with the abolishment of it to start hurtling down. do they start tomorrow. power costs down, gas costs down, tradie's costs down, grocery costs down, will the cost of regassing my aircon fall from $720 back to $310 before the carbon tax. Job's to start flooding newspaper adds by the end of the week, Foreign countries to be at our door begging to do trade by next week, yep it's all rosy from now on. we are still the lucky country afterall.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    12:05pm
    Now that the carbon tax that according to Abbott killed off Toyota, Ford and Holden is gone they should be okay now, business as usual.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    12:12pm
    Not to mention the likes of Comalco etc. The tax would have been disastrous in a few years time as it increased. This should make Kevin Rudd happy. He thought he had abolished it when he was PM.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    1:15pm
    Frank- never agreed with it in the first place.
    Just don't like being lied to about what changes it would bring when it was in and now that it is out. but Australia will need an ETS in the future to trade with those countries that do.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    1:21pm
    Could not agree more Kato! That's one good thing Palmer has done. Funny how many business leaders seem to be able to cut through the nonsensical political bs with some good old fashion common sense!! It is definitely a global issue just like tax havens.
    Patriot
    17th Jul 2014
    4:27pm
    Indeed frank,
    Just Like tax havens.
    An ETS will be traded on the stockmarket and the banksters & Multinationals that control the stock market will make zillions paid for from our pockets!
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    9:10am
    Who really cares who is making money?
    Do you care that Al Gore is making big bucks from selling solar panels? Or Murdoch is making dollars selling newspapers? I don't.
    Do I care about a clean environment? Yes, doesn't everyone? And I do care about the way we manage these issues.
    Everyone has their own ideas on what will work. The ALP promised to halve the company tax rate to 15% in the lead up to the last election, but only in NT. I guess they hoped it would attract votes from left, right and center? As well as compete with Ireland for a share of the Multinational's taxes? Did they think about the effect it would have on our economy though?

    17th Jul 2014
    3:43pm
    Carbon Tax Gone - Well Done !!!

    Now for the Mining Tax - get rid of that one too !!
    Not Senile Yet!
    17th Jul 2014
    9:25pm
    The only tax burden I want to get rid of is the amount of money we pay for these idiotic party puppets to make decisions and cut back everything for the aged at a time when inflation has eaten over a THIRD of their pensions!
    Inflation allowed and condoned by these idiots who let every man and his dog put up their prices in excess of the CPI every year!!!!
    They are overpaid with MY TAXES.....and need to be removed!!!
    Call it Taxpayer's Budget....remove all overpaid PUPPETS.....remove them immediately!!!!!
    Sell the New Parliament House to the YANKS....and move back to the old one......save us a fortune.........
    Sell off all our Military bases while we are at it to the YANKS as well!!!
    Lease back all the Planes we bought to the Yanks as well....we won't need them......the Americans will be our protection......no one ever attacks them!!! LOL
    Lease Queensland to China for 99 years ala.... Hong Kong.....let them develop it for us for free!!!LOL
    Patriot
    18th Jul 2014
    5:25am
    NYS
    Settle down young fella !!!!
    As a Queenslander I might not agree with this "Leasing Qld. to the Chinese".
    GIVE them "NO CAN DO MAN" and just to make it attractive for them hang a million dollars around his neck (and a lump of concrete hoping the boat sinks when they transport him) I might agree to though !
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    10:42am
    Chris Pyne, as he often is, was more florid. He promised to hang the tax round Bill Shorten’s neck “like a rotten, stinking carcass”. You wouldn't look good draped around Bill's neck Chris.
    Really the behaviour of grown Men and Women from either side is shameful.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    10:58am
    Trickster Tony Abbott on the seven thirty report last night could not give a straight answer as to how much we will save now the carbon tax has gone, Ill let the people come to there own conclusion on that Sara. total evasion on all questions asked, this guy could audition for the part of the joker in the next batman flick, he is a full blown Psychotic .
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    11:00am
    Hunt on late line was even worse, the guy was off in fairy land, he is auditioning for a role in the next Hobbit movie.


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