NSW election win good for PM

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Mike Baird won a second term of government in NSW on Saturday, and immediately launched a campaign to deliver 150,000 jobs and has claimed a mandate to privatise energy supply to the state. He has also expressed a desire that the major parties should “put politics out the door” and work together on some issues.

The Coalition won comfortably, even though their majority was reduced from 69 seats to around 53 in a 93-seat parliament. Labor should hold at least 32 seats, after winnning back 10–14 seats on a swing of nearly 9 per cent.

It was also a strong showing from the Greens, who won the new electorate of Newtown, beat out Labor for the seat of Balmain and took control of Lismore and Ballina – both traditional National Party seats.

How the rest of the upper house will be shaped won’t be known until next week. According to the latest figures, the Coalition suffered a swing against it of 4.5 per cent. Once the final votes are tallied, and given the National party’s poor performance, Mike Baird may still need to navigate carefully in order to push his party’s policies through the upper house, particularly that of the proposed privatisation of energy supply.

And while the results of the NSW election may be reassuring for Mr Abbott and the Federal Government, a correction to the one-sided result of the last election was expected. Labor gaining a 9 per cent swing means that it would then only need to win 14 seats to put them back in a position to win government at the next election.

According to federal party members, Mike Baird won this election not only because he was popular, but because his campaign was transparent, and he sold the benefits of change, not just change itself. The Abbott government may do well to take note of such an example.

Opinion: Time for answers, not blame

While many Australians may have been focused on the Aussie’s World Cup Cricket win yesterday, the big ‘game-changer’ for the country may end up being the results of the NSW State Election. Mike Baird – the ‘popular’ politician, if indeed there is such a thing – won the NSW Election by a clear margin. But what does this mean for all Australians?

Tony Abbott must be swelling in his shoes at his party’s victory in the NSW Election – one of so few its enjoyed in recent times. Baird’s win gives Abbott a bit of breathing room and some time to recoup from the losses suffered from his failed first budget. And while Abbott may be marinating in self-satisfaction for a day or two, it’s Opposition Leader Bill Shorten who may now be in the hot seat.

Labor’s campaign in NSW relied heavily on anti-Abbott sentiment, finger pointing and name-calling, much the same as the federal Labor Party’s political tactics. What Shorten needs now is to show that he actually has some answers to our country’s most pressing needs. No longer can he sit in the corner, relying on the upopularity of the PM. Say what you will about Abbott, but he has weathered some pretty serious storms over the past six months. And yet he, and his party, are slowly climbing out of the hole created by the mismanagement of its first budget.

In fact, ever since the threat of a leadership spill, which Abbott barely survived – it’s almost fair to say that he has thrived. And the success he has been enjoying can be put down to the fact that his party is, at the very least, proposing policies that aim to correct Australia’s economic woes. His success could also be attributed to the lack of what may be deemed as a viable alternative in Shorten.

Be it Labor’s legacy, or the failed first budget, either way, Australia finds itself in a slump – and the only way out seems to be through economic reform, via means that may include a reduction in government spending and/or an increase in taxes. What we really need is an end to the blame game. What we need now are answers.

But before the answers come more questions. Will Abbott’s second budget actually be fairer for Australians? Does the Labor Party have any effective policy suggestions at all? What needs to be done in order to get Australia out of its funk?

Mike Baird has stated that he hopes that the major parties can “put politics out the door on some issues” – which would be a refreshing change to the current national political climate. Maybe the federal party leaders could learn a few things from this type of approach. Maybe then, we’ll get the answers we so sorely need.

What do you think? Do you think Tony Abbott is a strong, albeit unpopular leader? Do you have an opinion on Bill Shorten’s lack of policy direction? Would you like to see a more bi-partisan approach to government?

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    if Abbott thinks he had nuch tomdo with the win by Lieberal party in NSW he has another think coming. It is more a atter of electoral boundaries, Plenty of people voted for the Greens simpky because they are agIainst col seam gas & have had to put up with dIrty water etc.,from the fracking!

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      What, dirty water in Newtown from fracking? I think that your extreme bias is showing
      Pate. Perhaps you should look at where the Greens votes actually were, and they certainly were not where CSG work is being carried out. In the actual locations of CSG work the greens vote was low. Please deal in facts not fiction.

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      Both Ballina and Lismore had strong campaigns by the Greens based on anti CSG. Are you saying Sceptic that there was no CSG planned for those electorates???
      If you are that would be a totally different view to any of the political commentators I have heard. You only have to look at Green polling in those electorates to see it affected the outcomes. Perhaps you should Google Bentley CSG and Ballina CSG if you don’t believe CSG was a factor in those electorates. The Northern Rivers want their aquifers left alone.

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      The Greens can now rest easy. There will be no fracking in Balmain or Newtown. Labor campaigned heavily for the Greens so they should be now joined at the hip. Again, scaremongering can only get you so far until people wake up and use independent thought. FEAR = False Examples Appearing Real.

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      Agree Sceptic. But since when has this site dealt in facts when they favour anyone other than Labor?

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      Where the Greens were returned there is no active CSG. Where there is active CSG the Greens vote was low.

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      The Greens campaigned heavily against the WestConnex Motorway as well. Not needed when you can get a ferry from the East End of Balmain into the City.

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      I think what the Greens were saying is that the money planned to be spent on the westconnex would be better spent on better public transport infrastructure. Freeways don’t reduce congestion. Removing vehicles from the roads by having a modern public transport system improves the livability of cities ,the air quality ,noise pollution and residents quality of life. is that argument so bad???

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      mango you need to do both. Industry is more efficient with better roads.

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      I would have thought the roads were already there Frank. All they have to do is get a lot of the private vehicles off them, and that means better more reliable public transport system and bikeways. Heading down that way next week. Is Parramatta Road still the varicose vein of Sydney?

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    yes I think Abbott is very unpopular but arrogance doesn’t equal strength. You only have to look at many of his Ministers to see both he and Joe Hockey are regarded as dead man walking. Yes sure Mike Baird won in NSW but he can thank his lucky stars that Abbott was nowhere to be seen during his campaign and that wasn’t just through coincidence either.
    Shorten isn’t cutting the Mustard as a Leader. He needs to get up and start putting forward policies and fresh ideas not just seen to be whining every time he is in front of the camera. Must say that Julie Bishop is stating to get a lot of peoples admiration and is looking to have her nose in front as a Liberal replacement for Abbott. Still like to see a Turnbull/Bishop move for the top spot. I think Malcolm Turnbull was giving a hidden message when he said something along the lines of Abbott having Liberal Party protection.

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    Retirement policy is a huge problem for any government.
    As every successive government has introduced changes to superannuation & the pension, the rules have become more and more complex and we are now at a stage where, it is so complex, hardly anyone fully understands it.
    Consequentially, it is impossible, for the government, to sell any changes because so many people are confused by all the tampering.
    After recent changes we now have a situation where some grandfathers can be “grandfathered” & some grandfathers can’t be “grandfathered”.
    It would be funny, if only it wasn’t causing so much concern.

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    I think it was as good a result as we could have hoped for, especially the emergence of the Greens, who I believe, are our only hope of breaking the hold on the dreaded two party system. Let’s hope they continue to make their mark. Although they have a long way to go, I believe they are the only party for the future.

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      It’s unfortunate to see that the Greens may not get their third upper house candidate over the line. . Although the greens may end up with 4 lower house seats their overall support remained virtually unchanged. They probably need to get more vocal and diverse with their policies. Some of their policies particularly in regard to maintaining strategic reserves of resources have merit . Not that much different to Twiggy Forrests plan on having a cartel to control a fair price for Iron .

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      Jen heaven help us if that prophecy comes to fruition

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      Jen
      Well said…. I have recently started looking at the Greens and their policies and IF they got ANY positive media coverage about their policies, most thinking people would be rather impressed with them…. I was.

      The only media coverage they get from corporate (foreign) owned lamestream media is derogatory and as it is difficult to deride the Greens these days, they simply do not get any coverage. If they got the continual positive coverage, that the Libs get (Libs = MegaCorps party), their votes would have risen dramatically.

      The concept that the Libs are being strong and presenting policies that are for the people of Australia, is a TOTAL JOKE. The Libs ARE the MegaCorps Party and their (so called) policies are merely ‘wish lists’ of those MegaCorps. They have not been examined for their effect on our economy or especially our future economy.. that is why these so called policies are changing daily…as they get shot down by the Senate…. thank goodness for the Senate…. they simply pull more of the ‘wish list’ items from the bag and see what they can get away with.

      This disgusting ad hoc mish mash of ridiculous policies would be funny EXCEPT that they will destroy Australia.

      You only have to look at the absolute RUBBISH NBN that the Liberals are laying – destroying Australia’s technological future so that a billionaire megacorp leashholder (Murdoch) can put even more money in his pockets:

      – out of date before it is laid and canNOT be upgraded, just ripped out so that we can start again [total waste of money] (Labor NBN – state of the art and could be upgraded, handle huge volumes of higher speed when technology advanced to be able to provide it and would last at least 60 years)

      – unreliable due to 100 year old copper wire as well as being affected by the weather (Labor NBN – NO copper – Fibre to the premises – no need to pay TELSTRA BILLIONS for their copper EVERY YEAR)

      – commercial use, even IF they pay for fibre from the node to the premises, is STILL too slow for high end business usage (Labor NBN – could handle anything businesses wanted to upload and download, with overseas internet being the problem of slowness and not Australia)

      – not even considered as Broadband in the USA because it is so slow (Labor NBN – fastest in the world and able to provide mechanisms for increasing speed 1000 fold as technology advanced)

      – due to the slowness Australian will NEVER earn money to pay back the cost of it (Labor NBN would have been completely paid back by 2036 and then would earn money for the govt)

      – nodes on every block which needs to be provided with POWER to keep them cool – the equivalent of two power stations worth of power will be needed (Labor NBN – no need for these nodes as the fibre went straight from source to premises)

      – last but not least…… Liberals NBN will cost Australia $160 BILLION (includes 5yrs of Telstra copper costs but does NOT include the equivalent of the extra two power stations) whilst Labor’s NBN was costed AND AUDITED as $37 BILLION

      The next thing they will bring in is a HIKE in GST % PLUS include FOOD in the package….. this means that the average Australian will be footing the bill for the Libs total mismanagement of Australia and its economy. Especially if they reduce the Coy tax. The wealthy, yet again receiving all the benefits Australia has to offer with the ORDINARY PEOPLE paying for their pleasure whilst striving to put food on the table.

      The ONLY policy that is good is one that Labor was thinking of introducing and that was taxing the BANKS for every deposit. The bank posturing on passing on some of those costs, doesn’t matter because it will give the govt a big influx with the average ORDINARY AUSTRALIAN paying very little of it. The only good policy and Hockey STOLE it from Labor. IF and only IF, the policy is not altered or changed from what was originally proposed.

      So SOMEONE please tell me of ANY POLICY which is innovative, positive for Australia now or in the future, spreads the wealth out (egalitarian), protects our environment, improves the education levels and hence intellectual property of Australia and future capacity to provide for Australia’s economy, technological advances to keep up with the rest of the world (their NBN as effectively killed Labor’s NBN plans to actually LEAD the REST of the WORLD, provide adequately for our disadvantaged, improve infrastructure…. etc.

      PLEASE…… can someone tell me ONE Liberal policy that does any of the above….. ANYONE!!???!!!

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      Couldn’t agree more Mussitate. I can’t tell you one good thing this government has done for this country or will do, in future, because there isn’t one. The disasters being visited upon this country will be felt for a long time to come. We desperately need a decent, truthful, investigative media to get the truth out there, but in the meantime so many are sucked into the propagada, the lies, the half truths and the hidden truths that are a feature of this miserable, dim-witted mob.

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    To SCEPTIC the Greens may have got in in Newtown I missed the voe there but it most certainly did go to places like Lismore & Gloucester where fracking diid occur.

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      And I wonder who signed off on those fracking agreements pate? It would be interesting to know.

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      There’s a Fraction too much Fracking ! C:-)

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      Pate there has been no fracking in the Lismore area yet. The previous Labor government signed over 7 licenses (which incidentally had no protections for water, land or environment). The people of the area have been fighting to prevent the execution of those licenses ever since. The Baird Government has already begun a buy back program of such fracking licenses and it still remains to be seen what happens in the Northern Rivers areas.

      So no Pate, fracking has not yet occurred in any of the areas that the Greens won on the grounds of opposing fracking. In Newtown and Balmain there was no such license.

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      KSS it’s not true that the Baird government has begun a buy back program of CSG licences in the Northern Rivers. They in fact RENEWED licenses last December.

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      More of Greens propaganda and LIES

      According to ABC news

      “The New South Wales Government has begun cancelling and buying back coal seam gas licences, known as PELs.

      It says it is fixing up Labor’s legacy which saw around half the state open for CSG exploration. “

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    Tony Abbott is a strong leader and has shown his flexibility when needed. On the other hand, Bill Shorten is beholding to Unions and Greens which makes him a policy wimp. Welcome to the new ALP, the GULP.
    Meanwhile in QLD Billy Gordon is doing a Craig Thompson. Craig has announced that he has not had full control of his faculties (mentally unstable). I’m not sure Billy will go that far? The Soap Opera continues.

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      Frank,
      Don’t blame Billy Gordon for this problem, the blame for that lies with the preselection committee and their lack of due diligence in their selection process. The Queensland Government can not now accept his vote in parliament and nor should the LNP. That being the case I feel that their is a real need to go back to the people for further decisions. Mr Gordon cannot be forced to resign or offered an inducement to do so as it is illegal, so Mr Gordon can sit in parliament for the period and receive his payments and benefits and do nothing. Sounds like a good deal to me.

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      I’m not blaming Billy. He only went off the boil with Labor when journos exposed the hidden truth. It has taken 11 days of angst and hand wringing from Labor to see if it couldn’t be swept under the carpet before finally making a stand in an effort to make themselves look good. QLD is a disaster.

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      Frank
      You say don’t blame Billy Gordon, but somewhere along the line there must have been a AEC form 60 signed stating that he had no previous convictions.

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      Mangomick,
      The onus still remains on the selection committee to fully investigate. One would say that in an electorate like Cook someone would have been aware of the background of the nominee.

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      mango, he obviously didn’t lie on that form, otherwise a charge of fraud would have been added to his growing list of convictions. Either way Labor is in a no win situation on this one. They have jumped off Billy into the fire!

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      Well Frank think about it for a minute. If he put on AEC form 60 that he had a previous conviction wouldn’t it be up to the Australian Electoral Commission to pick it up. They are the ones after all who process the applications just as they process your application for a postal vote.

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      Who can nominate as a candidate?
      The Act, s.163 and s.164, the Constitution s.43
      The qualifications for nominating as a candidate for the House of Representatives or the Senate are the same. To nominate for election to either the House of Representatives or the Senate, you must be:
      •tat least 18 years old,
      •tan Australian citizen, and
      •teither enrolled or eligible to be enrolled on the Commonwealth electoral roll.
      A member of the House of Representatives or Senate cannot be chosen or sit as a member of the other House of Parliament.
      You cannot nominate for the House of Representatives or Senate if you:
      •tare currently a member of a state parliament or a territory legislative assembly and have not resigned before the hour of nomination (i.e. 12 noon on the day nominations close). As state and territory laws govern the manner of resignation, intending candidates should make sure their resignations are effective before the hour of nomination.
      •tare disqualified by section 44 of the Constitution.

      Disqualification under the Constitution
      Section 44 of the Constitution disqualifies certain people from being elected to the Commonwealth Parliament. Section 44 of the Constitution is reproduced below.
      44. Any person who –
      i.tis under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power; or
      ii.tis attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer; or
      iii.tis an undischarged bankrupt or insolvent; or
      iv.tholds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth; or
      v.thas any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any agreement with the Public Service of the Commonwealth otherwise than as a member and in common with the other members of an incorporated company consisting of more than twenty-five persons;
      shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.
      But subsection (iv) does not apply to the office of any of the Queen’s Ministers of State for the Commonwealth, or of any of the Queen’s Ministers for a State, or to the receipt of pay, half-pay, or a pension, by any person as an officer or member of the Queen’s navy or army, or to the receipt of pay as an officer or member of the naval or military forces of the Commonwealth by any person whose services are not wholly employed by the Commonwealth.

      mango, where does it state above that Billy Gordon cannot be an elected member. Sure he has some convictions, but has he been gaoled for more than 12 months?
      Let’s not forget the reason Annastacia Palaszczuk asked him to resign from the Labor Party was because he was the subject of allegations of domestic violence, not for any other reason.

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      Well Frank
      I can’t see anywhere where he actually did time so I guess that means that he didn’t have to declare anything. Now does that mean because he served whatever sentence that was handed to him ,that (1) Labor shouldn’t have sacked him and (2) the LNP have no cause to try and make a big deal of it ?

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      Abbott is a strong leader? He does nothing but lie, put his foot in his mouth, abuse the system for personal gain, and attack the less advantaged. He’s the Sheriff of Nottingham reincarnated! Nothing he does is in the interests of the nation. It’s all driven by self-interest, but sure, he’s strong in his protests that he should be allowed absolute power to do as he pleases and in his boring blaming of Labor for everything that’s wrong in the nation.

      I despise Shorten and I’m disappointed in his performance as Labor leader. I actually think it’s time the whole filthy system was overhauled and politician’s retirement benefits abolished, so that people don’t go into it to guarantee themselves a lifetime of comfort, but to actually SERVE THE NATION. We need stronger penalties for dishonesty. And we need more effective methods of cleaning out the corruption and criminality that infects BOTH parties equally. But we’ll never get anywhere while people blindly follow one party or the other and make every argument a two-party preferred contest.

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      mango, the Clerk of Parliament reckons Billy Gordon could continue on as an MP.
      The clerk advised the failure to lodge tax returns or pay child support in a timely manner did not disqualify him from being an MP.
      His previous convictions also did not disqualify him as they did not occur within two years of his candidacy and also require a prison sentence of more than one year.
      Apparently there was no lawful obligation for Billy Gordon to disclose matters relating to his criminal history.
      There will be many with criminal records finding it difficult to get a job who may be buoyed by this news. Now they know they can get a well paying job with Labor.

      Gordon’s problem is that there are 2 cases of domestic violence pending which would fall within the 2 year time frame. Its possible he did not serve any time at all for those convictions. I wonder why?
      Either way it is a poor reflection on Labor because they have left questions unanswered.
      Who knew about Gordon’s history of convictions and domestic violence allegations?
      When did they know?

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      I guess we should just throw Labor and the LNP into a room with the $3000 bottle of Grange, The kids scholarship to design school, the AVO,the colour TV ,the paddington bear, the $1195 Montblanc pen and Australian Water Holdings etc,etc and see who comes out smelling of roses.

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      Are you saying Annastasia Palaschuk should resign??
      Receiving a gift is often innocent but the inclination to reciprocate with an expression of gratitude is not. Lesson, ‘do not show gratitude.’
      One does not necessarily mean the other. I have been in positions where I could tell the difference. Oddly the value is of no consequence. I have refused a $80 bottle of wine but accepted a $1,000 gift. Who would know what thought was in the mind of a recipient but we should hang him just the same?

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      Guess what I’m saying is “Let who is without sin cast the first stone” And that’s not bad for an atheist.

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    Abbotts survival after recent spill is incomprehensible to me – but they seem to have had a Stylist and Spin Doctor in attendance because they are now appearing in blue check open necked shirts, appearing at child care centres doing rabbit dances, and aspiring to look “like the people. Baird may look like a choir boy, but he is against STEM CELL RESEARCH for goodness sake! Plus same sex marriage, abortion, euthanasia, all issues that research shows a resounding majority of Australians are in favour of. Bottom line is that in spite of his being “popular” the swing against his government was still significant.

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      It’s beyond me how someone like this can be as popular as he is in 2015! But glad to see at least some saw the light. Makes me wonder though.

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      Abbott actually had a bigger majority than Shorten did against Albonese. And nobody was actually opposing Abbott. In fact I think most voters wanted Anthony Albonese. The democratisation of Labor is going to take a while if that little stunt is an example.

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    The usual comments are starting to come in. I wonder what the answer is, America has reduced its emissions by a lot and turned itself from an importer of fossil fuel to self sufficient and may even export, thanks to gas. That was done by extricating supplies previously unavailable. People here fight against it. Even in the desert regions. Go figure.
    On Tony Abbott and his Government just remember the bottom line is this: we don’t have a debt crisis, but we do have a structural deficit problem. Government spending is growing much faster than government revenues. And this isn’t a blip, it’s the product of an ageing population, technological change and old-style taxation arrangements that put too much emphasis on personal and business income taxes that are inefficient and under threat. The problem has not been solved; it has barely been touched. So do you really believe that Labor and the Greens are able to solve that problem. And pigs fly and the cow jumps over the moon.
    It amused me to read in the paper this morning that the Ass. of Social Services said that keeping us in a way we are accustomed to is more important than the deficit. Well sure, they will all be dead before the whole thing blows up.

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    Gee Tony Abbott has so much power – according to the lefties – he is to blame (they say) for everything under the sun. BUT New South Wales has seen through the Labor Party and voted accordingly and properly. Good luck to them – lets hope more of the other States can see more clearly the next time around – just look at what has turned up in Queensland now. And South Australia most definitely needs a change of “leadership” if that’s what you can call what Jay Weatherill thinks he does! Pity help Victoria with its latest result!

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      One-eyed Judy walking around in circles once more.

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      Judy well said – soon we will see QLD implode and the Vics will see in fighting between Andrews CFMEU and his antoagonists the MUA – meanwhile with Kroger back in charge of Libs in Vic things will improve and of course Baird will keep NSW number one economically – so when we get to 2016 election whether Abbottt is still there or not coaltion will win – go Abbott go coalition

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      Well said Judy in the Hills, Mr Baird has and will do a good job, he is busy trying to repair 16 years of Labor rorting and ination. The CSG licences were issued by Labor as were the coal mine licences that have caused the downfall of some in Labor. I now wonder should there be deeper investigation into the issue of the CSG licences?

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      dougie, your dreaming mate?????? only in time Mr Baird will show his true colours………so be very weary he will sell off Electricity………. and his next on his a gender will be our Public Hospitals (this is why our Liberal politicians) had so much to money to spend just by selling off Australian Icon and wont be too long now before we have nothing left to sell………our country belong to overseas buyers…….my grandparents be turning over in their graves…….they fought to give us a better life and a rich country …..to be sold mostly by Liberals………So stop thinking your beloved Liberals are such goodie goodies…..their under handed in more ways than one.

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      Nicely put Judy!!
      In Victoria Andrews is prepared to pay $700m to stop a road from getting built which would have created 7,000 new jobs.

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      Tia Maria,
      Absolute garbage. Wake up and get a life.

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      OH Dougie boy did I hit a raw nerve ??????????…………..

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      No tia-maria, Dougie only feels pity for. That you must lead miserable life. He only wants to help.

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      Oldie81 gee another miserable Liberal………personally I don’t lead a miserable life…….BUT at in a few years time you want a shoulder to cry on ???? ask Dougie.

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      Hey, I am not miserable, as I said here before, I love walking down to my papers in the morning with my little dog, look at the trees, listen to the birds in Park opposite, take in the sun and smell the flowers in my wife’s garden. Life is great. And I am a Liberal. Always thought being a Socialist at teenty because you have a heart and Liberal by forty because you have a brain. An old one but so true. And don’t get me started on the Greens. 🙂

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      Sorry, meant twenty….

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      Oldie81 – your line is one attributed to Churchill – a comment he apparently made in 1920s – one of the truly great statesmen of 20th century. I also Thatcher’s line its a pity that the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money. Finally something labor should remember from JFK – ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country

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      Oldie81 – your line is one attributed to Churchill – a comment he apparently made in 1920s – one of the truly great statesmen of 20th century. I also Thatcher’s line its a pity that the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money. Finally something labor should remember from JFK – ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country

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      Oldie81 lighten up mate…..I will also say again I don’t live a miserable life…….cheers

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      tia-maria, I trust that if you are in NSW you will give back all the concessions Mr Baird has maintained for pensioners and you will of course refuse to accept the gas subsidy he has promised to add to the list.

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      KSS. OMG your back??? first have you given back your entitlements before attacking mine????????? NO I don’t have gas????? But very concern for all Australian voters and especially the ones who voted in Baird,……. as god will only know what its going to cost us all in the long run………And the entitlement us retired pensioners worked hard for well mate well deserved………after we are the were hard workers and battlers of yesterday…….cheers

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      tia-maria, give it up. It’s just not true to say that privatising poles and wires will make power cost more. In fact it may be the opposite is true? When did you last check in with your information head office the ABC? The fact checker has realised the lie is worn out and finally milked it for all it’s worth and told the truth. Problem is we have 2 states which are mostly privatised and we can track their power costs. So it’s time you and mick get up to date with the latest political BS.

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      Frank, you need to also show more manners towards others comments and their opinions………this site is just not for U and KSS with your Liberal way of thinking all the time………..

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      Is that because it doesn’t agree with yours or YLC’s view? OK, I have been pulled into line. I will apologise if you point out where I have been ill-mannered?

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    NSW state election shows the value of hiding Mr Rabbit. I doubt we will see much of Mr Rabbit freelancing comment in the future.

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      He will Pop out of a hat somewhere near You soon !! 🙂

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      Paulodapotter,
      Yes Mr. Abbott was not seen too often in the NSW election, he was busy running the country. Where was Mr Shorten, I did not see too much of him in the election run up. Well he really had no policy or projects to put forward and he did not want to be associated with the second worst defeat for Labor in the NSW history. I really think that it is time we all sat down and let the Government run it’s course. Time for the Opposition and those hacks in the no policy no activity section of the Upper house to pass the matters put forward by the legitimately elected government. The Upper House is a house of review not a house of No. Lets get the country back on the road to recovery not diverted to the back roads by illegitiate argument by mindless opposition.

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      I thought Peta Credlin was busy running the Country and Abbott was busy keeping her out of the way. Or was that Abbott was busy keeping Credlin out of the way while keeping busy keeping out of Mike Bairds way.
      Doesn’t really matter. I thought Julie Bishop expressed exactly what the people of Australia were thinking and she didn’t even have to move her lips. Her eye brow raise spoke a thousand words. Classic

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      Again. Mick you have your thoughts I have mine both of which are legitimate but I will not sink to the point of denigrating your point of view. Please respect others right to have a view.

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      You must be very thin skinned dougie. Where in the statement above have I denigrated your view. Paulo made the initial statement and i am merely agreeing with him. Me being the agreeable kind hearted soul i am.

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      And dougie. The upper house is a house of review not Abbott’s own personal rubber stamp. If he want’s to get legislation through like he needs to negotiate with the minor parties and come to a compromise. Just like Gillard had to do and successfully did. That’s why we have an Upper house to prevent unfair legislation from getting through without a review. Bully Boy tactics don’t work in the Senate. unfortunately it has taken Abbott 18 months to learn that. He’s obviously a slow learner.That’s why Turnbull would have made a better Leader.

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      Oh come on now. Julia Gillard’s successful method of negotiation. “what do you want?” “Okay, you’ve got it.”

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      dougie your running off at the mouth again……….and you should also respect others opinions????????? Now for PM Abbott was in Melbourne and not running around running the country…….(personally he has no idea how to run our country) too much foot and mouth disease………..give it time and the Liberal will take a big fall…….and Labor will need to mend things again

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      tia-maria, “labor will need to mend things again.” ???? That’s not the least bit funny. 🙂

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      Tia Maria,
      Has Labor ever mended anything? Please remind me as my involvement with Labor as far up as the top says no.

      As I said last week I admire some of the things that Hawke did , and even some of what Keating did, nothing of what Rudd – Gillard – Rudd did and certainly not the wildfire expenditure they undertook and the time bombs they knowingly left at the last Federal election. They have a lot to men including the way many think of them.

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      Frank and Dougie, gee boys you guys need to wake up……. as the both of you are cracking me to no end………….

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      Oh tia-maria. Doesn’t take much to amuse you. You actually have to laugh at the truth. 🙁

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      Oldie81………… NO it not take much to cracked me up especially when it coming the Liberal voters like yourselves. CHEERS

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      Well i suppose you could say they fixed the Vietnam war mess that Liberals got us into, saving many young Australian lives. Many of the great social changes in the last 50 years have been Labor initiatives. Superannuation, Medicare, National Disability Scheme.Going back further equal pay for women ,40 hour week, pension scheme. I could go on but there are non so deaf as those who don’t want to hear. if it hadn’t been for Whitlam being the first PM to visit China you would still be under your bed hiding from the yellow peril.

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      Oh Mango, I’m so glad that you said “none so deaf”. Whitlam and Labor did NOT withdraw Australian forces from Vietnam. This decision had been made years before by the Liberal Government. The timing of the return just happened whilst Labor was in power. Another myth that you appear to be hanging onto is the servicemen who died in service there. More of our soldiers were killed in non military accidents during training than in service. As is usual.
      Under Whitlam we had a drive for mediocrity in education as they decided that rewards and ranking for excellence in our schools were negative forces on the less able students. But as you say “none so deaf”.

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      Mango, the reason Julia was such a successful “negotiator’ in parliament was that she only did what she was told by bob Brown and the Labor Caucus. She gave plenty of lip service to the independent Andrew Wilkie’s wishes for tighter poker machine regulation. then when Peter Slipper was liure away from the Liberals to be the new House Speaker (after Labor’s Harry Jenkins was unceremoniously shoved aside from the Speaker’s chair), she was no longer dependent on Wilkie’s support any more and Wilkie’s poker machine hopes were thrown on the scrap heap. To keep the NSW renegade ex Liberals (Windsor and Oakschott) sweet, she spent millions in their electorates.
      The trouble with Julia’s negotiating style was it was done from a kneeling position.

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      Couldabeen, 521 died as a result of the war and over 3,000 were wounded. Given that friendly fire casualties account for anything from 2% to 20% friendly fire would account for maybe 50 of those 521 killed and maybe 300 of those 3000 Aussies who were wounded.While there was a slow withdrawal of troops prior to Whitlam gaining power it was Whitlam who finally abolished National Service and it was under his leadership that Australia signed off on the war. Education,There would be many thousands who would say that under Whitlam ,University education was opened up to non elitists who’s parents couldn’t have afforded to send their kids to Uni but who because of Labor had the chance to gain a university education and make something of themselves.

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      Well wally maybe Abbott needs to learn how to kneel if he wants to get any of his policies through.

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      mango, does Gough’s legacy also include the substantial increase in the professional lefty academics who have moved on from basket weaving to latte sipping in Balmain and Newtown.
      I did notice a huge proportion of the Vietnamese community mourning the passing of Malcolm Fraser.

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      Why Frank did you miss out on a position???

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