A response to pension cuts

Richard shares his strong opinion on why a pension cut would be a mistake.

A response to pension cuts

After Treasurer Joe Hockey indicated that the Age Pension would not necessarily be safe from cuts in the upcoming Federal Budget, Richard shared his views on why the Age Pension should be increased, not cut back.


Richard
RE. Pension Cuts

1) Pensioners payments are ‘peanuts’ compared to our overpaid politicians and bureaucrats.

2) Pensioners are the biggest block of voters in Australia, so we must vote against the people implementing these cuts and/or stand candidates against them at all elections.

3) Political parties must go and be replaced by the Swiss governmental system, where ‘Voters Veto’ and ‘Citizens Initiated Referendum’ can reverse bad/unjust government decisions.

4) Provision should be made to increase ‘old age’ pensions for recipients who are also disabled, as they have additional expenses to bear.

5) Start by cuts to those who are claiming disabilities, but are clearly quite able to engage in some form of employment.

6) Age pensioners paid taxes all of their working lives and have an unalienable right to their Age Pension. Some nations set a minimum for these payments based on taxes paid during a citizen's working life.

What do you think? Has Richard got the right of it? Can you add to his suggestions? 





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    PlanB
    23rd Apr 2014
    10:28am
    Amen to that !
    Hillbillypete
    23rd Apr 2014
    5:28pm
    I will Second that!
    noddy45
    23rd Apr 2014
    10:53am
    Richard I fully agree with all you have said, and as for point No2 the majority of voters in this country must be the working class & they know that the Liberals will attack them as soon as they can but they still vote them in.
    MarLin
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:16am
    There may be hope for us all yet, if Bill Shorten can do what he says and "loosen" Labor's ties to Unions (and domination of union-led factions). May God forbid the Mad Monk and his band of fascist mates from ever getting voted in again in this country!!!
    Young
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:32am
    Read Jeff Kennets article in today's Herald Sun.Perhaps working longer may help some of us.We certainly are healthier and will live longer than our forebears.We are becoming a mob of whingers.
    Aurora60
    23rd Apr 2014
    12:42pm
    You try living on $250 a week paying off insurances, gas, electricity, rates etc. and if you're lucky there's some left over for food. According to Centrelink I don't qualify for disability. I'm 60 and didn't ask for these back problems which have stopped me from working. I don't have money for specialist fees. It took 3 months to get an appointment with the hospital for physio. Look at the other side of the coin before you call people whingers.
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:08pm
    yES JD I'M SURE MR.j.kennets has never worked a hard day in his life/was a politican mostly, wouldn't have a clue how the working family has to exist sometimes. HE for one should have been hung from the rafters unside down, in public, so as the passers by could throw anything rotten at him, cause he would deserve it!! The way the ppl were obused by him. HE probably obused his wife-mentally, NO wonder she was a mess!!So don't talk rubbish until you have lifed the life!!!
    Aurora, your problem is you haven't found the right GP yet, if you back is not GOOD you need to find a doctor whose speciality is Backs, ask, doctors won't tell you what their speciality is, you have to enquire, and then you life might emprove hopefully. Yeh cause Centrelink don't give a squat!! NOR do the government. and if physio isn't helping, then you need to change doctors until you find the right one. gl
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:18pm
    all GPs are different, and finding the right one is hard. Even finding somebody that is a specialist in this area(backs) can't always help depending on what is wrong. gl
    btony
    25th Apr 2014
    12:02pm
    Yes,jd, we are living longer, but we are getting sicker earlier.Medical technology is keeping us alive longer
    Suzie'Q
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:43am
    The real problem comes from the fact, that ALL Australians in ANY situation say, " The Government should pay for it. ) It doesn't matter what it is, "The Government should pay for it. " Nobody stops to wonder where the Government is suppose to get the money, for whatever it is.
    If the Government of the day increases taxes, it is dammed, if the Government doesn't pay for whatever it is they are still dammed.
    Julkay
    23rd Apr 2014
    5:19pm
    The Government would have plenty of money if they stopped lining their own pockets, stopped selling off all of Australia's assets and stopped illegal immigrants and looked after their own Australians first.
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:09pm
    HERE HERE JUlkay
    masori
    24th Apr 2014
    11:48pm
    Agree with you. Govt expenditure is about 25.6% of GDP but revenue is about 23.6% of GDP (down 2% on Howard years). We simply need to stop pretending that we can fix all problems without increasing revenue(taxes). If something like the National Disability Scheme is to be supported it needs to be funded - politicians and voters need to stop pretending they can do it without increasing taxes.
    professori_au
    26th Apr 2014
    8:52am
    Suzie'Q
    Hi, What do you think taxes and other charges are for? From the day you commence work part of your taxes are for pensions, medical, hospital and dental services as well as educations roads and so on. You do not expect the government to pay. You expect to receive the benefits you pay for in your taxes. Unfortunately your taxes are paid into a consolidated revenue fund and is distributed where government priorities are. People seem to lose sight of the fact that we the sovereign people are the lawful government and parliament is our servant. Instead we allow them to spend our taxes in funding wars on behalf of foreign powers and to contribute moneys to other countries, before looking after our own people.
    Geminiwoman
    26th Apr 2014
    11:23am
    You are right professori_au, the government and all politicians are effectively our employees and should be looking after our country and our people.
    Sen.Cit.90
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:50am
    Richard; referring to your comment
    3) Political parties must go and be replaced by the Swiss governmental system, where ‘Voters Veto’ and ‘Citizens Initiated Referendum’ can reverse bad/unjust government decisions.
    Check this out it is such a party: www.national-renewal.org.au
    Patriot
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:21pm
    This website just times out!!!

    Did you mean: http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/
    Fred
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:57pm
    We should have a referendum on abolishing state governments they are a huge waste of money. In Queensland they are conducting a survey at great expense on how to reduce debt. Are we to believe they will take any notice of the results, its a typical con trick they are only asking us to say which of their options we prefer.
    Wish they would ask us if we could dump them to save money.
    Sen.Cit.90
    23rd Apr 2014
    6:04pm
    Hi Patriot;
    Looks like your right! the address I wrote, was copied from the cover of their 'Draft Constitution' . I checked your address and yes it is the one.
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:11pm
    Thats it Fred I don't do surveys, Yeh its all a trick indeed.
    dancinelbenito
    23rd Apr 2014
    12:47pm
    Agreed , we must remember the ' promises ' Abbott made , Im so angry . Today we spend 12 Billion on F35 fighter planes which from all reports are no where near as good as the Russian PAK-FA . Write to the Prime minister or Andrews let them know how you feel , tell them its their last term in office . I also fully understand we need a reality check ..
    Nickylou
    25th Apr 2014
    8:08pm
    dancinelbenito, couldn't agree more. For a start we don't have a big enough armed force to protect our country without outside help! So why are we buying fighter planes. The Abbott government got into office by bad mouthing Labor, now Abbott breaks more promises than the whole Labor gov.combined. Why isn't anyone standing up and shouting 'No Confidencer' and calling for a new election.
    Geminiwoman
    26th Apr 2014
    1:02am
    Agree totally Nickylou.
    dancinelbenito
    23rd Apr 2014
    12:52pm
    I also think that people who have $1m properties may need to downsize
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:16pm
    Well perhaps, but also don't forget if they won't get a pension that is their super. i wouldn't worry bout them they do have to pay good money to council for their land all the same, so the taxes are working...lol its the POLLIEs that line their pockets. yes they are quick to say OH yeh we have to cut this cut that, then they tell us they will spend 12 billion on fighter planes......OH GET a grip. If i suffer from your cuts MR> liberals. YOU gone next time i vote I can Tell ya. and YEH we do have to get rid of ALL you money grubbing pollies YOU's spend too much and waste too much you have NO clue about what you doing. SWiss system sounds good to me!!
    PlanB
    6th Jun 2014
    7:18am
    What about those who bought their properties decades ago for a LOT less and they have appreciated ? 1 mill' is not that much for a home in a nice area or position, why should an aged person be forced to sell and have that upheaval plus move away from friends and Drs
    Kevie
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:25pm
    Pensioners... what do they contribute to this nation?
    Why do they deserve our respect and support?
    They built the foundations and infrastructure that this great nation now builds on.
    They gave birth to the present generation and paid for this generations health and education.
    Are we now just going to say "tough!... we now live in different times and we can't afford to support you now that the boot is on the other foot". "What you old Codgers achieved is now history and, while you may have paid for us as we grew up, we now want it all for ourselves..."
    Yes... us old Codgers certainly made some mistakes... we mollycoddled a complete generation and never taught them to show respect. Now they are running the government and are determined to feather their own nests at our expense. Well, they too will be old some day and I hope they will be treated with the same respect and dignity they show us.
    Bella
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:30pm
    Unfortunately if you are labor or liberal Australia has a huge debt inherited by the labor government . John. Howard left this country well and truly In The black..then Through poor management and ridiculous spending, schemes and pay rises ...we are where we are. I am a pensioner, find it almost impossible to live in my own home and have any sort of quality of life. The problem lies with the continuous spending in the form of baby bonuses ,stay home mum we,ll pay you. Children leaving school to become full time mums because they get baby bonuses and hand outs. Marriage and responsibility has gone out the window. Start with the ones who have not worked and paid tax, stop feeding other countries with untold wealth so they can live In Ornate palaces while people starve outside. Pensioners should be allowed to earn what they can without limiting it to $70 we deserve every penny we can get, life is short, we left school and went to work. Not a year off for a rest...hello...who,s fault is it really. ?
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:24pm
    indeed bella, and i got NO big money to have a child, I got 20dollars a month....lol
    i coped/Stop the hand outs/bring back factories to victoria, or australia, instead of sending them off shore.....BIG mistake...Pensioners deserve it, and if they are still slightly fit and can work, what they get should be theirs NOT taxed.....Shame on you pollies YOU make me sick YOU be out NEXT elections. START counting
    masori
    25th Apr 2014
    12:01am
    Pensioners deserve the best deal we can afford. However on the revenue the government has at its disposal what can it afford?

    Australia does not have a huge debt compared to GDP or the situation faced by other countries. It does have debt and it does have a structural imbalance between government expenditure and revenue. Expenditure under Rudd/Gillard was a bit more than under Howard but they did have to face the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression. However revenue fell by about 2% of GDP under Rudd/Gillard compared to Howard and that is the fundamental cause of current problems.

    We are facing significant cuts to all substantial sectors of government expenditure because returning taxes to their previous level is politically untenable and that is because of unrealistic expectations of most voters. We like things like NDIS and GONSKI but baulk at paying for them.
    PlanB
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:38pm
    Yes makes you wonder how this Fascist mongrel got in as there seem to be more hate him than like him.

    As far as a house worth a Million, well what if you have lived in that house for many many decades you can't help if it gains value and when you are of a older age you sure don't feel like up and moving AND paying out for the blasted stamp duty to buy ! A million these days for a decent property is not a lot --even in West Sydney places are bring 4 to 5 hundred thousand.
    Swinging voter
    23rd Apr 2014
    5:00pm
    HANDS OFF THE FAMILY HOME. It grows in value (and that's not our fault), it can be refuge for our children and grandchildren, we sacrificed to pay it off and we don't expect it to ever help pay for all the freeloaders, country shoppers and dole bludgers that seem to proliferate under a Labor government. Our houses are for our kids they are not for politicians to use against us. So take that Tony Abbott - do find your savings but leave the old folk alone they walk in one door asking for a pension and it's not too long after they are carried through the funeral parlour door.
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:29pm
    I mean the PRices of homes are Way over what they should be anyway. IT won't be long we shall be in a slump again the way the pollies are handling it and the Prices of home will go down real quick.....i remember in the old days when i owned a home ( memories lol ) i had to pay 160 thou, when i had to sell due to unforeseen circumstances, I I lost my home, i lost 30 tho of the home and the rest to the bank, and Never to own a home again.mmm And rentals are pathetic, YOU can't find anything decent. YOu live like you in a slum, and the landlords should be hit on more the way they treat their tenants its disgusting. so many problems NO wonder So many ppl are in depression!!!
    Patriot
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:39pm
    Agree with Richard!

    One of the "Shackles" that keep us tied to the major parties is the "Preferential Voting" enforced by our Electoral system!
    It makes certain that the Major Parties always get into power with massive majorities!

    The only way around this - as outlined by "Arthur Chresby" is as follows:

    1 - At the next election take a Ball Point Pen with you
    2 - Get the voting papers
    3 - Vote for "your Favourite"
    4 - PUT A LINE through the BOX & Name of any other candidate that you definitely DO
    NOT WANT in Government! With your Ball Point Pen of course!
    This may be SOME or ALL remaining candidates!
    5 - Write on the paper: "Crossed out Candidates are NOT SUITABLE".

    In order to succeed, we MUST beat the BASTARDS at their own game!
    PlanB
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:43pm
    I always have taken a ball point pen.

    However if you mark the paper as you suggest Patriot, that would make the vote invalid. I also HATE preferential voting
    Soapbox Diva
    23rd Apr 2014
    3:30pm
    PlanB - as long as you put a "1" against your preferred candidate and do not identify yourself, I'm pretty sure you can do as Patriot has said. There are slight variations in rules between Federal and State elections but I think Patriot is correct. Even if you mark just your preferred candidate only and leave rest blank, your vote is exhausted after the first count and no preferences are given at the preliminary count. Not sure what happens when your candidate has indicated where his/her preferences should go (may be done in the recount.)
    Young
    23rd Apr 2014
    1:47pm
    There has been no mention of cuts to the pension.Only a very gradual increase in the age at which you can claim it.The only cuts that were mentioned were to decrease the pension available to those who live in mansions worth millions of dollars.This sounds reasonable.
    dancinelbenito
    23rd Apr 2014
    2:04pm
    I agree , I have had to move into a Housing Trust unit after having a farm for 30 years . I certainly didnt want to move but had to . Some people like the Govt live beyond their means .
    older&wiser
    23rd Apr 2014
    2:13pm
    Sorry jd but you are not correct. There HAS been talk of cuts to the pension - but in a very conniving and cunning way. Very sneakily by not linking it to the Average Male Wage, but to (possibly) the lower CPI - the half yearly pension increases will be reduced. THAT is their sneaky way of cutting the pension - not giving a reasonable increase. They are not stupid enough to 'reduce' the pension - so they will 'reduce' future benefits & increases.
    PlanB
    23rd Apr 2014
    2:25pm
    Well sneaky sounds like the mad monk thats how he does things
    PlanB
    23rd Apr 2014
    2:25pm
    Well sneaky sounds like the mad monk thats how he does things
    Happy camper
    23rd Apr 2014
    6:25pm
    There will be cuts to the aged pension. Currently pension rises are calculated by increases in average male weekly earnings. The plan is to change that to the CPI which is lower. It has been calculated that if this method had been used previously the aged pension would be $7000 less than today. On the other hand a couple owning their own house and having a million dollars in assets will still get a part pension. That's because they all kicked up a fuss with their MP's. Poorer pensioners should do the same. No use moaning after it's done!
    professori_au
    26th Apr 2014
    9:06am
    The increase in aged pension is only a grab for revenue. We have a problem with increasing job losses as our industries are closing down or moving off shore. Our young have difficulties in obtaining jobs. Unemploynt stats are manipulated so they appear in favour of the "government" policy. Attend education to increase your job skills, even those "mickey Mouse" training courses where there is little liklyhood of increasing your job opportunities you are not unemployed. Work an hour per week and you are not employed. Young people who manage to get a job it is on minimum rates and no guarantee of permanent work. When the subsidised work time is complete they are sacked and a new trainee is put on. This I know for a fact as it comes before me on a regular basis as a volunteer community advocate. The young will not complain. especially if they work outside of the metropolitan areas as they can be blacklisted as a trouble maker. I am not a unionist, Labor, liberal or National party advocate but advocate for justice and that is not working people can get in these days. Having said that let me ask a question. what rate of pay does Abbott, Hockey and the like expect industry to pay for experience, qualification and knowledge rated with a slowing down of aged people. People who may have worked in hard manual work that has damaged their bodies etc. Come on. Be fair. Please those who have never faced such a situation put yourselves in the position of those who have suffered as a result of a hard working life. Jusice for one should be justice for all
    Soapbox Diva
    23rd Apr 2014
    3:12pm
    The first things the Federal Govt should axe are the exorbitant 'pensions' and allowances paid to former Prime Ministers and politicians. Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard alone reportedly each get $200,000 per year pension and another $300,000 for offices, staff, travel, etc. for life (for stuffing our economy). When people in the real world are sacked (voted out of office) they leave only with their super which they can't access until 55 or 60. It should be exactly the same with ex politicians. Let them go out and find another job (and not a 'job for the boys' a la Peter Beattie - a real job!!) The Fed Govt would save millions every year. Leave the age pensioners alone and take the ex pollie bloodsuckers off the payroll.
    Xmascrazy
    23rd Apr 2014
    4:51pm
    I wholeheartly agree with you Soapbox Diva there are way too many ex-politicians getting huge sums of money including all their perks and have done so for too many years to count. And the problem only keeps growing with the latest lot of them.
    As you have stated, the average person leaves their job, and if lucky lives long enough to enjoy a few years of retirement using their superannuation if their lucky. Forty years of work and our supers are really not that great, and we certainly don't get use of a car, free overseas holidays and of course an office fully staffed.
    Wake up Australia - we really need to do something about this, along with the amount of money that keeps disappearing overseas.
    Wendy HK
    23rd Apr 2014
    5:31pm
    Me too!
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:43pm
    yes diva they would be a good starting point and i'm sure there could be many other way that cuts could be made perhaps then we could give mr. hockey a budget to run on see if he can survive. in the REAL world?
    Thinker
    23rd Apr 2014
    3:14pm
    Some thoughts to throw into the discussion
    1 The tax paid by most taxpayers during their life is far less than what they will be paid in an age pension
    2 The pension should be for poverty alleviation not income maintenance
    3 The pension should be treated as an interest free loan and paid out of estate when the person dies.Many pensioners have a house the value of which goes to someone else.
    4The thought that pensioners should vote against governments because of a reduction in their pension shows a clear conflict of interest
    PlanB
    23rd Apr 2014
    3:36pm
    Well Thinker you know what you can do with your ideas.

    I agree with Soapbox DIva she/ he is right on the money there.
    Anonymous
    30th Jan 2015
    8:52pm
    And what about the wealthier whose ''self-funded'' retirement is heavily subsidized by the taxayer, Thinker? Should he have to repay all the subsidies and concessions he/she enjoyed? Should the Govt. take a huge chunk out of their estate too? Oh, no. It's just the poor worker who was exploited for 40+ years on a pathetic wage and gave up their health in working conditions nobody would tolerate today, and was PROMISED a tax-payer-funded pension on retirement (because they didn't have the benefit of superannuation and they sure weren't paid enough to save for their own retirement).

    A fact that is rarely stated is that over 20 years in retirement, the so-called ''self-funded'' retiree (who quite likely also enjoyed business tax deductions and negative gearing tax savings and other benefits) costs the country more than someone on a full aged pension for 20 years. So let's stop bashing the pensioners and recognize that they ARE entitled to their pension. They had a contract with the government that declared that entitlement and they worked on the understanding it would be honored. We paid tax to support older generations and I don't recall anyone calling our parents or grandparents '''leaners'' or ''bludgers'' or ''a burden''. There are abundant opportunities for the government to increase revenue and save expenditure without attacking people who worked a lifetime to build this country to its current level of affluence and to educate the younger generation.
    corsair
    23rd Apr 2014
    4:17pm
    Reading that Bernie OFarrell, can retire on $165,000 or over $3000 per wk pension for life and consider, all the other pollies who are retired and on all these perks, how much is it costing the tax payer and why should'nt they take a pension cut.
    Wendy HK
    23rd Apr 2014
    5:33pm
    Yeah, why?
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:38pm
    INDEED!!!!
    rtrish
    23rd Apr 2014
    6:12pm
    Richard, I agree with your letter, especially 4). I have been on the Disability pension for 14 years. There is a HUGE burden of additional costs for those with illness or disability. Also, the pension goes straight back into the economy as it ALL gets spent every fortnight.
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:30pm
    indeed it does rtrish, and pensioners funds, it goes back into living.....
    Sen.Cit.90
    23rd Apr 2014
    6:13pm
    Comment from Patriot:
    Hi,This website just times out!!!
    Did you mean: http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/

    Yes; Patriot is correct the address I gave came from their Constitution Book cover obviously now changed.
    Mark
    23rd Apr 2014
    6:58pm
    What I find really irritating is when we are told that initiatives like the new airforce fighters and payments for new mums to stay at home are fully funded. Why when it has been known for years that the population was ageing was provision for the aged pension and adequate health care not also made by both conservative and Labor governments. Who are they kidding with all this double speak and weasel words. One of the the mistakes that politicians make about our generation is that they do not take into account that given our age and life experience we have heard all the political drivle before. We also understand that politicians value there own political survival more than anything. Hence we need to keep reinforcing that we have the numbers to vote in or out any government. We have all worked hard and been lead to believe that the current eligibility rules for the pension, superannuation and health care would apply to our generation. It is unreasonable to change the rules at this stage. What we need is politicians who are more honest, transparent and have the imagination and expertise to solve problems not just vilify older people and other vulnerable groups. In addition it is really boring and irritating that political decisions are being made on ideological grounds that are not relevant to this century. Many of our politicians are following ideology as if they were still involved in student politics and not responsible for running a country in the modern era. They need to grow up and quickly.
    bubyshka
    23rd Apr 2014
    11:37pm
    INDEED mark, well said

    23rd Apr 2014
    7:06pm
    What pension cuts would they be...must be the invisible unseen kind, for as yet NOTHING has been done.....the scare mongers are having a field day with their assumptions.
    Anonymous
    30th Jan 2015
    8:54pm
    No, the cuts haven't yet taken effect. But they have been gazetted. They will happen unless we can stop them.
    Thommo
    23rd Apr 2014
    7:53pm
    With all the halba loo , the budget has not come out yet, SO HOW CAN YOU SAY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PENS=IONERS, AT THIS STAGE ONLY THE AGE LIMIT IS GOING UP IF YOU CAN BELIVED WHAT IS BEING PRINTED IN THE PAPERS, LETS WAIT UNTILL mAY THEN WE CA N COMPLAIN AND MAKE A BIG THING OF IT.

    amen..
    professori_au
    26th Apr 2014
    9:12am
    people have reason to fear and distrust the "unlawful corporate government". Most of these changes are not likely to occur until after the election, so many may be convinced they have nothing to fear. Should the coalition be re elected they will probably have a full 4 year term to enacted the sales of Australia to foreign powers. Because people have been deliberately kept misinformed and ignorant of their rights, especially since 1973/74, and to the fact that the sovereign people are the government and not parliament, they will continue to be hoodwinked by the political factions and vested interests of foreign powers.
    Nutriwise
    24th Apr 2014
    11:21am
    Amen to that as well. To the knockers who think pension cuts should go ahead I say try living on welfare and see know you go! Like everyone else I am living on welfare only. By the time you pay for rent, insurance and utilities you end up cutting back on foods. I am diabetic with blood pressure problems. I can't afford my prescriptions so I don't buy my medications and hope i can somehow stay alive.

    24th Apr 2014
    12:22pm
    WHAT PENSION CUTS? has the treasurer said things like..' we will cut the pension by $50 a week, or by $30 or $20' ... what cuts are we talking about ? what changes to pension payments ? COME ON YOU LOT, stop wanking and answer the question.... WHAT CUTS to the pension ?
    Geminiwoman
    26th Apr 2014
    11:19am
    Although not yet officially stated, it has been widely reported that consideration is being given to cutting the Disability Pension down to that of the Newstart benefit, effectively halving Disability Pensioner income. My question is just because a person is disabled, do they not need a reasonable amount of money to live on? Newstart is not reasonable, but is intended as a short-term payment for someone looking for work, Disability Pensioners don't have that choice and Newstart is not enough to live on for an extended period. Whilst I know there are people out there rorting the system, there are those who genuinely need that Pension and should not be penalised.
    Anonymous
    26th Apr 2014
    12:26pm
    AND it seems also a truth that many folks seek to get the DSP just to get more money..so they are parasites taking money from those who really need that funding
    Geminiwoman
    26th Apr 2014
    3:01pm
    Obviously you don't know the agony of constant pain for which strong medication is often required and having to have help to do the basic things it takes to look after yourself properly. Whilst I agree that there are some who rort the system and are, as you say, parasites taking money from those who really need that funding, (and they apply across the board, not just Disability Pensioners), there are also genuine people who need that assistance. My greatest wish for you is that you sustain such an injury, perhaps then your ignorance might be assuaged.
    CindyLou
    27th Apr 2014
    5:42pm
    Not getting into the discussion other than to say that I feel the last comment from Geminigail was very nasty...people are entitled to their opinion but personal comments wishing harm on another is poor form.
    Geminiwoman
    27th Apr 2014
    9:01pm
    So is bigotry towards people who have little or no choices in the way they have to live their lives.
    PlanB
    31st Jan 2015
    6:28am
    I agree Gemini, there ARE some that rort but for the ones that really need it it is bloody hard --also the polies are the biggest rorters
    Geminiwoman
    24th Apr 2014
    12:39pm
    Enough is enough. This government expects (yet again), the low income public and pensioners to live in poverty. Those of us on pensions are not on pensions because that's the life we want to lead, most of us hate it because really it's no life at all. Stop the spending where it's unnecessary, e.g. fat cat payments to fat cat ex pollies, paid parental leave, supporting teenagers to have illegitimate children, overseas aid (billions of taxpayers money). The taxpayers (and former taxpayers, i.e. pensioners), have a right to a reasonable life without being made to feel like burdens to the system. Disability pensioners are in that boat usually through no fault of their own, why should they be penalised?
    CindyLou
    27th Apr 2014
    5:49pm
    Sorry, got to add another comment in response to above post...I feel it is extremely poor form in respect to the 'illegitimate children' reference.
    Geminiwoman
    27th Apr 2014
    8:59pm
    Perhaps so, Cindy Lou, however, I know 3 teenagers, each with 3 children all to different fathers and the mothers quite openly admit that they don't even know who some of the fathers are. I live in a country town, so how much of this is going on all over the country? Consider this country in 15 - 20 years when all of these children are growing up not knowing who their siblings are (if any) and what happens when or if these children unknowingly marry siblings. I speak from experience here as I was adopted and didn't even know I was adopted until I was 44 years old. When I found out and found my birth family, I found siblings I never knew I had, who used to hang out in places I hung out. Apart from this aspect of the problem, I feel it unfair to expect the Australian taxpayers to support the parents of these children in these circumstances some of whom have no intention of ever working if they can help it, and particularly when it has reached (due to Govt. policy of large handouts) epidemic proportions. Not to mention the fact that these poor little tykes deserve a decent family upbringing. Sorry to offend, but that's how I feel.
    CindyLou
    28th Apr 2014
    2:17pm
    I don't think it's wise to make sweeping statements providing ad hoc examples. Single parents, especially young parents often experince considerable pressure and judgement from others. Just because there is a Mum and dad in the picture it does not necessary assure a 'decent family upbringing'.

    In relation to people on welfare who never sincerely intend to work, I agree it's annoying but the way the system is structured many people are able to slip under the radar. Regardless, I don't think it's a good practice to denigrate and generalize as this feeds negativity.
    PlanB
    31st Jan 2015
    6:33am
    I am totally with you Gemini !
    masori
    25th Apr 2014
    10:17am
    One alternative to cutting expenditure is to raise revenue. Looking at budget papers I found that under Howard, revenue was on average 25.6% of GDP and expenditure 24.8%. Whereas under Rudd/Gillard revenue was just 23.6% but expenditure 25.3%. Hence our budget problems really stem from a significant fall in revenue.

    The government and the community simply need to settle on the level of government services needed and then raise that amount by setting the appropriate tax rates in the fairest manner. Pretending that new worthwhile programs can be supported (e.g. NDIS, GONSKI) without dramatically reducing other programs or increasing revenue leads to budget deficits.

    We all have to be realistic on both expenditure and revenue fronts.
    professori_au
    25th Apr 2014
    9:36pm
    I thought the following documents and information would be of general interest. It relates to the Australian Futures Fund.

    I also see that it is managed as an independently managed fund. MY question is what organisation manages it. I would like to see a signed document from the government showing their authority and then I would like to see where the government via a referendum received approval to hand and store taxpayer moneys to a private corporation, then ask what the government is charged for the management of such funds, etc.

    I recognise the fact that being managed by an independent corporation distances it from the government/public scrutiny and any need for accountability to the public.

    Putting any unspent budget moneys into this account should not happen. Unspent budget funds must be returned to Consolidated Revenue and re-allocated for use, e.g. in the next year’s budget, or to fund badly needed services to the public, i.e. Health, medical, dental, hospitals, education, schools roads and so on. The government claims not to have the funds for these and attempts to cut these from its budget.

    According to the media information, the fund is Australia’s Sovereign Wealth Fund.
    Hmmm! The information implies it is not for the public but for payment of superannuation to retired civil servants of the Australian Public Service, which includes the MP’s. Now isn’t that cozy!. That money would be better used to service the needs of the country. Preparing a budget annually should include the costs of payments to a superannuation fund.

    NOTE: Sovereign = the people who are the lawful government under the Commonwealth Constitution 1900-1901.
    Professori-au

    Media release
    7 February 2014

    Future Fund appoints Cameron Price as General Counsel

    The Future Fund has appointed Cameron Price to the role of General Counsel.
    Cameron will join the Future Fund at the end of March 2014 from Allens where he is a
    Corporate and commercial partner. He has 25 years of experience in corporations, securities
    and commercial law, with particular expertise in mergers and acquisitions, private equity,
    Equity capital markets, and corporate governance.
    Mr Mark Burgess, Managing Director of the Future Fund said: “We’re delighted to have
    Cameron joins the Future Fund team. As General Counsel he will be heavily focused on
    providing strategic legal advice to the Board of Guardians and will also bring his expertise,
    skill and leadership to supporting the wider legal team and broader organisation.”
    ENDS

    For more information contact:
    Will Hetherton
    Head of Public Affairs
    Future Fund
    03 8656 6400
    0439 016 678
    This additional document comes from the Futures site about an appointment to the board

    About the Future Fund

    About the Future Fund
    The Future Fund is Australia’s Sovereign Wealth Fund established to help make provision for
    the Commonwealth’s unfunded superannuation liabilities. The Future Fund is a broadly
    diversified global portfolio and is valued at $96.6 billion. The Fund has generated a return of
    10.6% per annum over the last five years against its long-term objective of 7.0% per
    annum. The organisation also invests the assets of three Nation-building Funds which
    together are valued at $10.8 billion.

    A nice sum the taxpayer is being bilked out of for the benefit of a select few.
    .
    What appears to be happening is the unspent budget funds are used to top up the Futures Fund and allow the government to justify further increase in taxes, reduce public sector funding, etc.
    In addition to giving further tax breaks to business interests; reducing, the taxes paid by big business and moving the burden to the public; in particular the ones who can least afford to complain or take action to stop it.
    Also most of the profits go off shore and never re-invested here.

    With the destruction of our industries and farming it is important that middle-income earners realise they are getting to be a smaller sector as the middle-income earners move down the scale and become members of the vulnerable. The gap between the poor and the rich gets wider with the poor paying for the privilege of being discriminated. The politicians and public servants should not receive special privileges. They ride the tides of fate in the same boat. If it capsizes then they will be no different from anyone else

    Professori_au


    Information
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia:


    Future Fund
    Type Government-owned corporation
    Industry Investments
    Founded 2006
    Headquarters Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
    Revenue A$12,564m (FY 2013)
    Net income A$11,858m (FY 2013)
    Total assets A$94,894m (FY 2013)
    Total equity A$88,804m (FY 2013)
    Website www.futurefund.gov.au/
    The Australian Government Future Fund is an independently managed investment fund into which the Australian Government deposits its budget surplus. The purpose of the fund is to meet the government's future liabilities for the payment of superannuation to retired civil servants of the Australian Public Service. The fund's investment decisions are made at arm's length from the executive.
    The stated aim of the fund is to hold A$140 billion by 2020;[1] this figure would free up A$7 billion in superannuation payments each year from the federal budget.
    Geminiwoman
    26th Apr 2014
    1:00am
    I, for one, would like to see the Government forced to publish "Profit and Loss" Accounts so that all Australians can see EXACTLY where their money is going. It's really something when it comes to forcing Australians to live in poverty, whilst millions of Australian taxpayers' money is being spent propping up other countries in things like "disaster relief", providing accommodation for illegal immigrants in other countries etc. If we can't afford to look after our own, how is it that so much of our money can be sent overseas to other countries for ANY reason.
    Anonymous
    26th Apr 2014
    12:30pm
    CHARITY begins at home....that's my principle
    PlanB
    31st Jan 2015
    6:40am
    Very interesting Prof' thanks for that
    BrianP
    27th Apr 2014
    11:29am
    From the Australian Voice Party - Join us to stop the Government picking on Seniors.

    Hope you like this one - posted by Lou Sedivy.

    NEWS FLASH FROM DARWIN
    The Australian Navy intercepted a boatload of people off the coast of Darwin today.
    This placed the Navy in a very awkward position, as the boat was not heading to, but away from Australia towards Indonesia.
    Another surprise finding was that they were loaded with Aussies who were all seniors of pension age. Their claim was that they were trying to get to Indonesia so as to be able to return to Australia as illegal immigrants and therefore be entitled far more benefits than they are receiving as legitimate Australian pensioners.
    The Navy, it is believed gave them food, water and fuel and assisted them on their journey.
    We are booking on the next boat, so let me know if you want to come.
    PlanB
    27th Apr 2014
    11:35am
    Yes I heard that pensioners were also committing crimes to get free food / medical / dental / and board in jail
    Dukki
    27th Apr 2014
    12:13pm
    The government knew that Austalia would have an aging population . so why did it play arounf with the aged pension. is seems to me that we have been right royally screwed.
    I agree with he oher comments. the age pensioner has a great deal of power - but unfortunatley thy are no harnessed into a solid group.

    I also agree that people shld not abuse the system, but if the powers to be had ever had to live on the mall amount of money that we get, and i mean live properly, they may , just may see things ina differnt light. but it is not going to happen so i guess we may have to grim and bear it. as I cant see the age pensioner getting better deal. I m of the old school, n I live totally on my pension I dnt have any superannuation, an it is hard !!!
    professori_au
    27th Apr 2014
    9:22pm
    hello All,
    This comment is a little tongue in cheek. How can you expect people from rorting the system when their role model is the greedy and corrupt parliaments we seem to have elected. Once elected they are no longer interested in the people who elected them.
    I agree that there should be no misusing or abusing the system. After all it comes from our taxes and should be used as it should be.
    As a community Advocate I speak with a lot of young people and I find it pretty depressive as so many express the view that they have no future, except to be exploited.
    maxchugg
    28th Apr 2014
    10:13am
    It's not all bad news.
    Elsewhere there is an article about how to reduce the effects of jetlag, with a new computer based cure that will work in about four days.
    Joe Hockey has a better plan that will prevent jetlag entirely.
    Simply make long haul flights unaffordable for most who visit this site.

    28th Apr 2014
    12:36pm
    By this time next year I will most likely be getting $1000 a fortnight as pension.
    Judy in the hills
    28th Apr 2014
    2:29pm
    I totally agree with Richard - I've written an email to our Prime Minister along the same lines and suggest that others do too. Although I'm sure he doesn't personally read these messages, surely his staff must give him some feedback about our disgust. I don't know about others, but I worked from the age of 16 through to 60 plus, the last fifteen years also helping my husband run a small business AND me working fulll time at the University of South Australia. I DESERVE MY PENSION AND SO DOES HE. The email address to use is: mailout@pmc.gov.au
    professori_au
    28th Apr 2014
    8:04pm
    Richard I believe your suggestions are sound.
    One point is that under our lawful government we do have the power to veto now.
    The lawful government is the sovereign people of the Commonwealth of Australia and the parliament is our servant (I know I keep repeating that argumentum ad nauseam) I plead the right to educate people about the Commonwealth Constitution 1900-1901. Unless people learn about our rights and speak as one voice the false government will finish up taking away all of our rights and selling off our resources and assets to foreign powers. We as a nation have a duty of care to protect those rights and asset, resources for our future generations. We only have custody and as good custodians we must leave it in better condition than we inherited the land, etc. Unfortunately we have failed to keep our parliaments accountable and transparent, with the result it has enabled the political factions and other vested interests to high jack our government and its assets. Because the public has been kep ignorant and misinformed most people do not or understand those rights and that suits the factions, etc. because they can do what they like, even to stealing public taxpayer monies to benefit the few. It is time to speak with one voice and demand that parliament returns to lawful government where the parliament is elected to carry out the Will of the People. This means that laws and Acts can only be made subject to the approval of the people. I might make the point that at 81 the return will do nothing for me but it is so important to the future generations (our children, their children and son) that I believe it is part of the responsibilities of the seniors in society to teach the younger ones about their rights and responsibilities.
    happyjoe
    29th Apr 2014
    1:44pm
    Money or lack of is not the issue it'a one of shifting our nations attitued to getting older. If we revered the wisdom of the elderly and their sevice to this country and considered that an asset to building our nation then no matter how much they cost us we would think it a good investment. We have been behaving like this for decades, I know we are a 'young' nation but we behave just like a 14 year old in that our brains are not developed enough to think of the future consequences of our present actions and that anyone over 25 is old and can not possibly know as much as we do and so is useless. Liberal politions are the leaders of a huge multinational conglomerate intent on getting as much into the coffers as they can, it is up to us to use our collective votes to put into power those that show us respect for our years of service to our country.
    happyjoe
    29th Apr 2014
    1:44pm
    Money or lack of is not the issue it'a one of shifting our nations attitued to getting older. If we revered the wisdom of the elderly and their sevice to this country and considered that an asset to building our nation then no matter how much they cost us we would think it a good investment. We have been behaving like this for decades, I know we are a 'young' nation but we behave just like a 14 year old in that our brains are not developed enough to think of the future consequences of our present actions and that anyone over 25 is old and can not possibly know as much as we do and so is useless. Liberal politions are the leaders of a huge multinational conglomerate intent on getting as much into the coffers as they can, it is up to us to use our collective votes to put into power those that show us respect for our years of service to our country.
    Bebe
    2nd May 2014
    11:35am
    I agree with "Bella" I had my children because I wanted them, not to be paid money. There
    are too many handouts, at home and overseas. My husband worked from 15yrs old until
    66yrs never without a job, there was no super we saved and invested. When he did retire
    we kept ourselves for 18 years before getting a small pension, he was 84yrs and I 82yrs old.
    The crap that comes from people like "Bubyshka" deserve a labour govt. I hope the rest of our lives as we are 91 and 88yrs can be under a Liberal government, without all the worry
    not only us but all Australians have had to endure, with the high cost of living etc.
    Give Tony Abbot and his government a fair go. Bebe.
    RobJohn
    2nd May 2014
    1:54pm
    Again I say to you; One Term Tony...Doing good for our country will not be achieved by punishing pensioners..We should be taking care of our sick, our disabled and our elderly..I imagine now, that there would be many pensioners who are sick with worry.
    coffsgirl2014
    4th May 2014
    9:00am
    Cutting the pension of those people who have a disability but who can also work is not the answer - there is a number of people with disabilities like me who struggle to find work. atm i am studying and am also trying to get part time employment at McDonald's but i am having difficulties because I feel that they may be hiring juniors because its cheaper. Getting employers to help people get into employment is - yeah its ok to hire juniors - but also give other people such as those people with a disability a fair go and regardless of their age. if your'e not going to hire them tell them why like what are they missing etc?
    For heavens sake how do these job seekers/ pensioners know where to improve and gain employment from if they are only given vague information
    PlanB
    4th May 2014
    9:43am
    Yes there are many even able bodied people finding it very hard to get jobs and if you are 45 or over FORGET it --and they want us to work till 70 ! They have to be joking, of course these mongrels have never really done any hard work in their lives so don't have a bloody clue
    coffsgirl2014
    4th May 2014
    9:55am
    yes true. by the time you pay for the essentials such as rent,food,water and electricity it doesn't leave you very much to live off! this is why i prefer renting with utilities included but even doing this its not cheap because its weekly not fortnightly!
    Bebe
    5th May 2014
    10:48am
    I cannot understand why the people who are doing all the complaing about the present
    government. Have they had their brains in storage, are they not awhere of the mess
    LABOUR left the country in. Gillard living in luxury in Adelaide, Rudd also and makeing
    a fool of himself world wide Shorton with his mouth wide open saying nothing worth
    while. Please give the Liberals time to work this mess out.
    I was born 1925 , I know how hard it was just living. My husband and I reared our
    family, built and paid for our home,saved for our retirement. We still pay income tax
    we must all try and help we do not want our country to do down like many overseas.
    PlanB
    5th May 2014
    11:24am
    Maybe right there Bebe, however you have to admit Abbott is a blithering fool and an embarrassment -- I have no time for any of the pollies at the moment but Abbott and Pyne and the rest well enough said
    professori_au
    5th May 2014
    9:53pm
    There is little difference between the parties. Each is corrupt and greedy and work for the vested interests of the privileged few.
    PlanB
    7th May 2014
    7:09am
    There is little difference between the parties. Each is corrupt and greedy and work for the vested interests of the privileged few.


    Very true and no matter which lot get in the agenda is the same
    tiger999
    9th May 2014
    5:12pm
    Gooday people
    yes I agree with this statement its about time that the pollies started to wake up that they are overpaid and underworked another words full of you know what
    the white rat
    5th Jun 2014
    2:35pm
    If cocky Hockey proceeds with the aged pensions cuts, the liberal party had better enjoy this term in parliament, for as sure as we always will have politicians, the liberal party will not be voted in next term. as we know poly means many and tic means blood sucker, therefore in liberal politics they are all blood suckers living of the host, the Australian people, they send our money overseas for foreign aid who gives them permission to do so I surely don't and I bet 99% of Australians don't, I think it is about time we the aged pensioners the people who helped develop this great country into what it is today along with the help of their families should organise a demonstration in Canberra before the cuts take effect, to show cocky hockey and the other liberal poly tics,the aged pensioners and their families can influence the outcome of any election. I will be willing to help organise any demonstration if anyone else is willing ,my email address is agh20@optusnet.com.au

    jim
    professori_au
    6th Jun 2014
    9:10am
    Kevie and Bella.
    I agree with you. We oldies built this nation and I include the migrants who came here after the war. Many of our young people were called to fight in wars, not on Australia's behalf but on the behalf of mainly UK and USA. Many died and many were crippled and then thrown on the junk heap after they came home because our politicians did not want to give them recognition or to look after them. Look at the politicians in parliament. Most would have had a free education and they want to take that benefit from the young of today. The benefits of education health etc. should be for all, not a privileged few. Claiming we have an immense debt I am not prepared to accept. We are told there is one, yet no detailed evidence except rhetoric and "because we say this is so. How much is held in investment accounts; in tax havens, etc. "They" claim unemployment is only 5.6% This does not take into account those attending "up-skilling, re-skilling; working 1 hour per week (they are not unemployed). 457 visa employees (approx. 11,000 at least working in Australia) are taking jobs that should be going to Australian unemployed. The old claim that Australians don't want to work no longer applies as we lose large corporations e.g. Ford, Holden, Alcoa, etc., along with their servicing businesses. 457 visas was only intended to fill a skills shortage gap. Today companies are replacing Australians and taking on 457 employees. What is the government doing about it. Nothing, they are part of the problem. These corporations posing as lawful government are not carrying out the will of the people who elected them but working to a different agenda that we are not part. The land, the resources, and industry is being sold off to foreign powers. They do not comply with the rights of the people under the Commonwealth Constitution 1900-1901 or (in Victoria) the lawful 1855 Constitution but make their own laws etc.
    professori_au
    31st Jan 2015
    7:02pm
    Here is a further link to some information about how the privileged rich are ripping off the ordinary Australian. Get some of this tax back and we could all live without debt http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/tax-evasion-by-super-rich-hurts-every-australian-20150103-12gbd5.html


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