5th Feb 2014
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Possible DSP changes
Possible DSP changes

Sue has heard that there may be changes to the hours which one can work while claiming the Disability Support Pension and would like this clarified.


Q. Sue
I've heard that people working over 30 hours per week will lose their Disability Support Pension. Is this true? 

A. I’m not sure what changes you’re referring to, as it is the current ruling that anyone working more than 30 hours per week will no longer receive their Disability Support Pension. If you reduce your working hours within two years of your pension being stopped, Human Services will determine if your payment can start again.

To receive a Disability Support Pension whilst working, you will need to meet the requirements of the income test.

You can find out more by visiting HumanServices.gov.au.





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    Allieannie
    6th Feb 2014
    12:36pm
    How can someone 'work' 30 hours a week AND get the DSP???? That is immoral.
    Aurora60
    11th Feb 2014
    1:10pm
    I agree!
    Anonymous
    11th Feb 2014
    2:20pm
    Well, you know - Annie and Aurora - not all DSP recipients are well-off and have the money to get by - and some - with great courage and integrity - will go out and seek work rather than simply sit at home and accept.

    I have (count them) FIFTEEN disabilities and counting..... I went to work over a summer to get out of financial straits - and a week after that had a heart attack, so I'd say before you start pointing fingers so readily and facilely- maybe you need to get a handle on real life for very many.

    DSP - like aged pension - is a RIGHT in accordance with the proper procedures, and subject to income level - since according to the Tax office's own documents on the rise in taxation level - since 1948 a portion of tax (not only income tax) has been delegated to the payment of pensions and so forth.

    One of the reason that I have so many disabilities - and most likely a shortened lifespan - is that I have had the raw guts to go out and do things - and often doing things at a level nobody else can do. I'm still doing that now - and correctly advising Colonel C'Link of what I earn through my guts and integrity and work ethic - all of which are massively higher than fat-arses like A Man Named Vanstone sitting on some moronic 'commission of audit' for some massive and undeserved EXTRA sum out of the endless trough for politicians and their mates, and at great cost to the Australian taxpayer. These are the people you should be sniping at - not those with guts, integrity and a genuine work ethic .

    So now you want to criticise those with guts who are prepared to go out and try for something better than living on a pension?

    I take it you have no issue with politicians retiring for life at a young age on the public purse?

    One word - DUM!
    Anonymous
    11th Feb 2014
    3:40pm
    It's disgusting...working 30 hours a week you do not need any DSP..take if off these scroungers, a person could work on a Friday - Sunday basis, getting penalty rates that might equal having worked 50 hours or more..and still get some DSP? An insult to all who have a real illness like heart disease or cancer that stops them working even 7 hours week
    Cath
    11th Feb 2014
    5:12pm
    For a person with such severe limitations, and may use a wheelchair and require all manner of assistance to be able to get to work on top of everything taking 10 times longer to do than it would take a 'normal' person without limitations - that is if such a person could get a job in the first place, he/she just might not have more than 30 hours left in the day to be able to be there - and get this - after all that the disabled person only takes home the equivalent of 15 hours pay, because if you are on DSP, for every hour you work you lose 50 cents in the dollar, so the disabled person can never better their circumstances. Even worse, with all the extra assistance needed to work, such a person may not even benefit at all from what little they end up getting out of it. Yes, it's immoral all right. But it is not the disabled person who is being immoral, it,s all the ignorant people out there.
    Cath
    11th Feb 2014
    5:36pm
    Allieannie and Aurora60, since you can't figure it out, then you should consider that for a person with such severe limitations, and may use a wheelchair and require all manner of assistance to be able to get to work on top of everything taking 10 times longer to do than it would take a 'normal' person without limitations - that is if such a person could get a job in the first place, he/she just might not have more than 30 hours left in the day to be able to be there - and get this - after all that the disabled person only takes home the equivalent of 15 hours pay, because if you are on DSP, for every hour you work you lose 50 cents in the dollar, so the disabled person can never better their circumstances. Even worse, with all the extra assistance needed to work, such a person may not even benefit at all from what little they end up getting out of it. Yes, it's immoral all right. But it is not the disabled person who is being immoral.
    dippity
    11th Feb 2014
    6:08pm
    for the information of those who think this is a rort, after a piddling little amount of income their pension starts to reduce, until it is zero, same as with any other pension or benefit.
    Cath
    13th Feb 2014
    3:41pm
    PIXAPD - You said "a person could work on a Friday - Sunday basis, getting penalty rates that might equal having worked 50 hours or more..and still get some DSP?" The answer to that is no, a person would not "still get some DSP" if they earned an amount equal to 50 hours or more because the earnings would go over what is allowed to still get a partial DSP payment. A person does not still get the full DSP payment after working 30 hours. They would get very little DSP.

    Also a person would have to be on the lowest possible hourly rate to still be under the earnings threshold and even get a partial DSP payment after working a 30 hour week. So it would be only people who suffered some real disadvantage who would be able to work 30 hrs a week an still earn so little from that that they would still get some payment From memory a person will never get much more than about $500 per week from working and DSP combined. it is not a gravy train.
    KSS
    11th Feb 2014
    1:05pm
    This is exactly the sort of rorting that needs to stop. If you can and do work 30 hours or more a week why do you think you should be 'entitled' to a disability pension? Then to consider reducing hours of work simply to keep a pension is immoral I agree with Allieannie.
    Anonymous
    11th Feb 2014
    2:20pm
    Read above and wake up.
    Cath
    11th Feb 2014
    5:21pm
    You are lucky KSS that you are not in the unenviable position of having an impairment that makes it so easy to lose your job, and at the same time so difficult to get your Centrelink benefit back. I suppose it is just to hard for you to figure out.
    tisme
    11th Feb 2014
    2:00pm
    some can use the dsp to pay their motgage while living off their earnings. trouble is those who cant work the required amount of time etc are often penalised for having the wrong sort of disability. how can u convince people that' theres more to being able towork than just looking 'normal ' and having intelligence
    Allieannie
    11th Feb 2014
    2:20pm
    Totally agree. My hubby is on DSP. He is highly intelligent and can look very well...but has multiple medical concerns. He has been close to death three times and has ongoing problems...seems as soon as one is under control ( NOT 'cured') we then are onto a new set of medical concerns. Sometimes just attending medical appointments is a full time 'job'. It really is no one elses business ( nor right to judge..for we have been abused for using the disabled parking spaces sometimes...he has had two hip replacements and two hip revisions), what the 'trouble' is. We could produce plenty of 'evidence' but in the end it is between his medicos and the DSP dept...
    I am concerned again that with this pressure on those on DSP ( as in the Howard years) he will spiral back down into chronic depression, feeling a 'fraud', 'useless' and considered a 'bludger'. THIS terrifies me. Leave DSP recipients alone. Go for the Corporate corruptibles who make sure they don't pay tax etc!!
    Anonymous
    11th Feb 2014
    2:26pm
    Now you're talking, Annie - though your first response was the opposite! Like your husband, many DSP people would gladly take a full-time job - IF someone would bother to offer them one.

    One of my other hats, apart from writing, working, pension receiving,etc, is working on establishing a company that will employ ONLY people with disabilities - as long as they can do the work, it means not one thing to me.

    All this garbage about DSP is just smoke to cover fat-arse politicians and ex-politicians - the self-appointed elite who have lead this country to disaster - getting the guts filled again at the public trough.

    Let them lead by example for a change - and cancel immediately all politician's pensions until retirement age and some of their perks - then watch retirement age come DOWN.

    Better still - join my party and get with the team - no room for strap-hangers...

    11th Feb 2014
    2:28pm
    https://www.righttoknow.org.au/request/retired_politicians_pensions_ben
    tisme
    11th Feb 2014
    4:51pm
    To Allieannie, yeah my daughter looksnormal /intelligent , yet two disablity employment agencieshave failed to get her the right job. getting geared for another fight . THe polies spend us into debt, ( on themselves ) and those who cant defend hemelves pay for it
    Cath
    11th Feb 2014
    5:03pm
    For a person with such severe limitations, and may use a wheelchair and require all manner of assistance to be able to get to work on top of everything taking 10 times longer to do than it would take a 'normal' person without limitations - that is if such a person could get a job in the first place, he/she just might not have more than 30 hours left in the day to be able to be there - and get this - after all that the disabled person only takes home the equivalent of 15 hours pay, because if you are on DSP, for every hour you work you lose 50 cents in the dollar, so the disabled person can never better their circumstances. Even worse, with all the extra assistance needed to work, such a person may not even benefit at all from what little they end up getting out of it. Yes, it's immoral all right. But it is not the disabled person who is being immoral.
    Cath
    11th Feb 2014
    5:31pm
    I feel really sorry for people with severe mental disorders for who things might go fine for a while, and he/she is in a job, then he/she deteriorates, and loses everything. A neighbor I knew like that could not get DSP for years and ended up homeless. If she could go back to work, it would be too dangerous to go over the 30 hours, as she may not be able to do it consistently, and Centrelink put people like that through hell to get their payment back, even using it against the person that they worked before to refuse their application for the payment back.
    tisme
    11th Feb 2014
    7:18pm
    yup, my kid is asperger , blind in one eye , deaf in one ear and has deformed feet so there are limitations. yet theres no way she could handle the dole, just taking any job wouldnt it be good if the disabled had everythng they need and politicians had to hold cake stalls to cover thier expenses
    buby
    5th Mar 2014
    6:17pm
    I do love your reply Tisme/ YEH let them hold cake stall if they been good i'll buy from them if NOT they will GET squat!!!
    Nan Norma
    11th Feb 2014
    6:35pm
    What concerns me is not the disabled ones that work, it is the ones that don't work at all and there is nothing wrong with them. I know one couple personaly. He claims the disability pension and his wife claims the carers pension. I know there is nothing wrong with him. They also make a lot of money on the side.
    Hillbillypete
    11th Feb 2014
    7:47pm
    That Nan, goes on all over Australia, no shame in dobbing in a crook!
    Nan Norma
    11th Feb 2014
    9:11pm
    Hillbillypete, I'd feel so guilty, that's the only reason I haven't.
    Cath
    12th Feb 2014
    5:32pm
    Nan Norma, are you absolutely sure that there is nothing wrong with this person? I ask that because one has to provide substantial material proof of impairment to qualify for the Disability Pension. Quite often people think that there is nothing 'wrong' with a person, then next thing... they have taken their own life. Maybe the person has kept their disability to him/her self to avoid being treated a certain way. Is this person a war veteran? Some people have psychotic disorders, and can be 'normal' alot of the time, but the disorder cannot withstand the stress of the workplace, and they cannot consistently hold down full or even part time employment. Alot of people like this keep their disability to themselves because they just want to lead as normal life that they can, and as a result get falsely accused or 'rorting' the system.

    I know of a person who looks completely normal, because you cannot see that her right arm is totally paralyzed, and constantly works at trying to be left handed to rehabilitate to try and do a job, but late in life it is not working, her left hand won't cooperate. Also people with cystic fibrosis, and such conditions can look 'normal' some of the time if they are very careful and look after themselves alot, get plenty of sleep, rest, etc., don't overload themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that they are very gravely ill people. These are the same people that all of these ugly comments are being aimed at, and I know that for a fact.
    Nan Norma
    13th Feb 2014
    7:42pm
    Cath, Believe me I know there's nothing wrong with him. He and his wife are the sort of people always looking for the 'quick buck'. Unfortunately she is a close relative otherwise I would have reported them before ages ago. They owe money everywhere.
    fierymars
    11th Feb 2014
    8:34pm
    Woring 30 hrs a week and on DSP...I am sorry but this does not compute in my mind...I have not the mobility to leave me home, like so many of us, and believe I am entitled to DSP but if I could work 30 hrs per week I would not be collecting a Disability Pension. This has got to stop. If this is you SUE you are a thief.
    Cath
    12th Feb 2014
    5:58pm
    fierymars -The 30 hour a week option needs to be there for people who are trying to rehabilitate and have a goal of re-entering or obtaining full time employment by gradually increasing working hours, and be able to identify what kind of work a person can or cannot do at an increased level, and not be penalised for trying to do that by losing their benefit. Can you manage to compute that?

    In many cases of DSP recipients, particularly with people with intellectual disability, it is only a temporary job offered by a charity or organisation to offer work experience or a chance to gain work confidence and skills, or it is often a here today gone tomorrow type of job. What people like you are saying is that these people should not be allowed to have the opportunity to get the work experience, which is the only way they might be able to have a chance at a future job, but they still need to retain their benefit. Can you manage to compute that?

    The recipient loses 50c in the dollar of their payment for every dollar they earn, so it is rubbish that it could be a rort.
    fierymars
    11th Feb 2014
    8:35pm
    Wow, made a couple of errors there...blame my chronic pain!!!
    Cath
    12th Feb 2014
    6:03pm
    It's not your chronic pain that is the problem.
    Blossom
    11th Feb 2014
    9:07pm
    I don't know if it still happens but once you reach age pension age they used to automatically be switched to Age Pension which is much lower pay than Disability Support Pension.Those on Disability Allowance often have a lot more medication than the average Aged Pensioner in their early stages of it.
    Nan Norma
    11th Feb 2014
    9:09pm
    As far as I know there is no difference.
    fierymars
    11th Feb 2014
    9:38pm
    Dob in a "crook" Nan...it is these kind of people whom are responsible for our country going broke (and the Politicians!!! ha ha)...one can do it Anonymously...if I knew of people doing the same I would not hesitate...
    Nan Norma
    12th Feb 2014
    11:03am
    what if they were very close reletives.
    Nan Norma
    12th Feb 2014
    11:03am
    what if they were very close reletives.
    fierymars
    13th Feb 2014
    6:45pm
    nan...I can imagine your hesitation and under the circumstances how difficult it must be for you...perhaps you could explain to them how many people are being "put in" by others and it could shortly happen to them...our conscience works in mysterious ways nan...I believe it is something for you to seriously ponder???
    Nan Norma
    13th Feb 2014
    7:48pm
    fieymars. I won't have anything to do with them anymore. They have cheated so many people. I'dnly recieve a mouthful of abuse if i to tell them what you say.
    fierymars
    13th Feb 2014
    10:38pm
    Hi Nan...I certainly understand your quandry...seems as if they are not worth worrying about but they will get their's eventually...you seem a luvly person
    Nan Norma
    14th Feb 2014
    9:05am
    Thanks fierymars, I do pander it all the time. This woman is the kind of person seeks revenge from anybody she feels has miffed her, and I've seen what she is capable of.
    oldie
    3rd Mar 2014
    9:57pm
    Nan . You sound a very empathetic person . One thing , by keeping quite you are enabling their behavior and attitudes . Its not working out now . Write a letter anonymously . Make them accountable . It might make them more humble towards other people . Good luck .
    Nan Norma
    3rd Mar 2014
    10:35pm
    trying to get courage. I'll feel so guilty if they are sent to prison.


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