Can you share too much information with Centrelink?

Tony lost his part pension eligibility after downsizing his house and wants to know what he can do about it.

Can you share too much information with Centrelink?

Tony lost his part pension eligibility after downsizing his house and wants to know what he can do about it.

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Q. Tony
I am 67 years of age and until recently qualified for a part pension. I also receive a defined benefits super pension. My wife, 65, doesn't work and has an annual income from investments of less than $3000. We recently sold our family home and bought a smaller house with a view to building a small extension to it.

The balance of funds after the sale and purchase was deposited in various bank accounts, earning very little in interest. This funding is to be used on the extension.

Doing the right thing, I informed Centrelink of change of address, circumstances, etc. I received a call from them telling me that my pension card would be withdrawn due to the deeming rate indicating that we were earning $140 per fortnight. I wish that we could get that interest rate!

I have some acute medical issues, so now I won't qualify for reduced chemist costs and medical expenses.

I'm staggered that this change has occurred. We naively thought the proceeds from our modest family home (our only property) would be exempt from the deeming rates.

I can see why some people hide money under their beds. It doesn't seem right or fair to be hit like this.

Any advice?

A. Firstly, Tony, you did the right thing telling Centrelink about the change in your circumstances. There are big penalties for hiding this information, and you would most likely have been caught.

You may be able to use the downsizer contribution scheme to help in your situation. From 1 July 2018, Australians aged 65 or over have been able to sell the principal residence that they have owned for at least 10 years and make a non-concessional contribution to super of up to $300,000 from the proceeds. Couples can contribute $300,000 each.

The non-concessional super contributions from downsizing can be placed directly into superannuation accounts as tax has already been paid on them. They are not taxed when they are received by your super fund.

You are eligible to make a downsizer contribution to super if you can answer yes to all of the following:

  • you are 65 years old or older at the time you make a downsizer contribution (there is no maximum age limit)
  • the amount you are contributing is from the proceeds of selling your home, where the contract of sale exchanged was on or after 1 July 2018
  • your home was owned by you or your spouse for 10 years or more prior to the sale – the ownership period is generally calculated from the date of settlement of purchase to the date of settlement of sale
  • your home is in Australia and is not a caravan, houseboat or other mobile home
  • the proceeds (capital gain or loss) from the sale of the home are either exempt or partially exempt from capital gains tax (CGT) under the main residence exemption, or would be entitled to such an exemption if the home was a CGT rather than a pre-CGT (acquired before 20 September 1985) asset
  • you have provided your super fund with the downsizer contribution into super from either before or at the time of making your downsizer contribution
  • you make your downsizer contribution within 90 days of receiving the proceeds of sale, which is usually at the date of settlement
  • you have not previously made a downsizer contribution to your super from the sale of another home.

Unfortunately, the money in your super will still have deeming applied, but you may be in a better situation than having the money in the bank earning very little interest.

Also, the sooner you can spend some of that money on the extension you discussed, the sooner you may find yourself able to access a part pension again and receiving the benefits of the pension card.

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    McDaddy
    10th Jan 2020
    10:16am
    So prior to the surplus funds from the sale being deemed you had a Defined benefit Pension of app $77500 PA, then the deemed income took you above the $81172 PA Pension Income cut off. Yeah nobody is shedding any tears for you mate. You still get a Commonwealth Seniors health card too. Give yourself an uppercut.
    Arvo
    10th Jan 2020
    11:32am
    How did you calculate your figures McDaddy with such insufficient information?
    McDaddy
    10th Jan 2020
    12:18pm
    Easy Arvo, just know what the cutoff for income is and he said he had a defined benefit pension and the extra $140/ftn deeming took him over the edge for a Pension
    Nerk
    10th Jan 2020
    10:51am
    Jealous little man.
    ray @ Bondi
    10th Jan 2020
    11:19am
    yep, 100% with you Nerk. One can easily tell who supports the libs here.
    McDaddy
    10th Jan 2020
    12:20pm
    No Nerk, I have one too, so no jealousy from me.
    Ray from Bondi, never voted Lib in my life.
    Nerk
    10th Jan 2020
    2:28pm
    I have one too but I don't boast about, I prefer to shock and awe and vote #1 liberal.
    Bakka
    10th Jan 2020
    11:17am
    On the facts as presented ,agree no real cause for complaint on losing part pension.
    Also on apart pension and had the unfortunate experience of having to deal with Centerlink over asset update info....... .Long story short, provided the info required on time ( reference # obtained) Weeks later they suspended payments on basis of no info supplied.
    92minute phone call finally sorted things out.... No apology and no acknowledgement of fault from the Centerlink. " CUSTOMER SERVICE PERSON". LOL
    Mac
    10th Jan 2020
    1:27pm
    Any mistakes made by Centrelink are never acknowledged - this shows a complete lack of integrity.
    54-11
    10th Jan 2020
    1:43pm
    I made the decision years ago that I would do anything and everything I could to avoid ever having anything to do with Centrelink, even if I qualified for a health card or part pension. The successive ministers, and the department don't give a shit for anyone and are completely out of touch (Hank Jongen is a prime example).

    It may cost me a little, but I'm free of all the aggravation caused by Centrelink dependence.
    floss
    10th Jan 2020
    2:30pm
    54-11 same here, the freedom is more than worth it.
    Brissiegirl
    10th Jan 2020
    2:55pm
    When the downsizer excess-funds-into-super rule came in, what on earth was their logic in requiring homeowners lived in their present home for 10 years or more? I don't see how that restriction benefits anyone, apart from encouraging people to downsize on the one hand and removing the incentive on the other. It's highly possible that people's mobility circumstances can change within 2 or 3 years of moving house, with the need to move again under the 10-year qualification.


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