6th Jan 2015
GST on food, health and education
GST on food, health and education

Australians could find Goods and Services Tax (GST) levied on fresh food, health and education if some members of the Coalition have their way.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s own ranks are pushing for an expansion of the 10 per cent GST. Liberal MP and the member for Wannon in Victoria, Dan Tehan, said that the increase in GST was crucial “to maintain our standard of living”.

In the Australian Financial Review on 5 January he argued the reform could generate an extra $22 billion per year, and suggested it could "enable further serious reductions in direct taxes", such as income and company taxes.

The GST reform will be considered as part of the taxation white paper process.

Cassandra Goldie, chief executive of the Australian Council of Social Service says her organisation is “very opposed” to the tax on fresh food and says, “regardless of compensation this will make fresh food less affordable and accessible for people” on low or modest incomes.

As opposition leader, Mr Abbott promised during an interview with SBS that there would be “no change to the GST”.

Read more at The Guardian and The Age.

Do you think the GST should be expanded to include fresh food, health and education?





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    Emps
    8th Jan 2015
    10:25am
    If there is an eventual increase in GST by the Abbot government, it will have been voted for, because it will not happen during the governments current term. It will only be debated and acted upon after the next election; which ponder'es the question; will labor bring it on if they win government?
    PlanB
    8th Jan 2015
    10:53am
    Makes you wonder what this mongrel Abbott has in store "NEXT TERM" as he keeps saying, he has been evil enough this term so God help us.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    12:21pm
    Here it comes. Get ready.
    I find it interesting that Emps uses the government rhetoric of "not in this term". There will be no debate and if re-elected the Abbott government will increase the GST as soon as the next election is done. Guaranteed....unless it does not have the senate in its pocket.
    Emps
    8th Jan 2015
    12:32pm
    Mick, not in this term, is a stated fact, to use your analogy every statement must be rhetoric. Also if Abbott wins the next election,then of course what is mandated will happen
    Sceptic
    8th Jan 2015
    1:05pm
    The federal Government cannot increase the GST. Typical of the anti brigade to ignore that it is in the hands of the States if the GST is to be changed.
    Wstaton
    8th Jan 2015
    1:13pm
    Emps, This government doesn lie does it?
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    1:38pm
    Emps: "mandated" is one of those jingles Abbott throws around. Whilst he repeatedly talks about only doing what he said (mandated!) the reality is that most of what has come in totally unmandated. We are playing semantics and this man is the master conman from what I can see.
    This leaves the electorate with no misunderstanding: vote Liberal and you have an increase in the GST rate...plus all the other new taxes. Lets be serious. How can you give heaps of money to the rich unless you take it from the poor.
    Emps
    8th Jan 2015
    2:05pm
    Govt Mandates: Stop the carbon TAX, stop the mining TAX, stop the boats. All done
    No GST Increase, done.

    Last labor mandate: There will be no carbon TAX under the govt i lead.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:22pm
    "No new taxes", "no increases in education costs", "no GST", "no cuts to the ABC or SBS", "you have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax". The list goes on. And then the cretin who calls himself the leader of the nation has the hide to front the cameras and LIE AGAIN.
    Emps
    8th Jan 2015
    2:53pm
    The worlds best treasurer LOL : There will be a budget surplus in 12-13, Labors never ending unfulfilled dream .
    Polly Esther
    8th Jan 2015
    3:09pm
    Yes, of course he is going to try it on( #%Abbott*% Grrrr) and it wont be all that long in coming.
    The writing is on the wall now, seeing that he has got his bum boy Tehan to start the ball rolling. Humbly apologise for last remark if it offends.
    We need someone strong to step on him, has he gone mad?
    Ruthie
    8th Jan 2015
    3:37pm
    Next term of Abbott. As he lurches from one disaster to another, Abbott is so unpopular, that, thank goodness, it appears he will be known as one term,Tony. Let's hope!
    Anonymous
    11th Jan 2015
    10:46pm
    Emps

    You are obviously a LNP human bot. This bloke is selling out Australia and turning us into a USA style Corporatocracy (see Wikipedia) and we know what happened to THAT country…. 5% owning 90% of the wealth and putting the rest of the country into near third world conditions with alarming poverty; violent crime a daily occurrence; growing slums; PUBLIC education a total joke; PUBLIC health to die for; crumbling infrastructure; civil war conditions between the police and the disenfranchised; REAL unemployment over the moon; trillions of paper $ printed to cover debts; Bankers and the 5% not being prosecuted for their crimes (above the law - throwing out a cornerstone of democracy - all people equal before the law); control of the masses with mainstream media blanketing of propaganda and indoctrination and removal of habeas corpus (right to a trial)….. etc, etc.

    Nothing said by myself or anyone else will change your mandate of taking only small snippets of truth and presenting them as a total 'good' picture.

    Abbott's mandates are the most damaging to this country. Carbon Tax was actually working and making mega (foreign) corporations PAY for THEIR pollution with the general public over compensated for the cost. Now Australians have to pay for THEIR clean ups and they simply walk away with our resource profits in their pockets. Mining Tax was on mega (foreign) corporations SUPER profits would have been good for Australia because mining corporations pay very little corporate tax and are SUBSIDISED by ordinary Australians by having their power, water, etc subsidised…… profits along with OUR resources, MOSTLY go straight out of the country. On to the boats…… really, how would be know????? All of a sudden anything connected with refugees has become a National Security issue and we are told NOTHING…. however, it has been shown that MORE refugees have drowned during Abbott's reign than was previous… is that a better indications or DON'T refugee lives count?

    As Mick has said you have conveniently forgotten how Abbott PROMISED specifically and directly to the Australian public that there would be "No new taxes, no increases in education costs, no increase or changes to GST, no cuts to the ABC or SBS, you have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax".
    Anonymous
    16th Jan 2015
    11:52am
    Abbott wont get back in..........a stuffed dummy could beat him
    randpm
    8th Jan 2015
    10:35am
    With GST at 10% one of the lowest amongst developed nations there is room to move on that with out putting the levy on lifes essentials.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    12:21pm
    Yes...and we pay a heap more tax than some.
    Sceptic
    8th Jan 2015
    1:06pm
    And a heap less tax than others.
    Wstaton
    8th Jan 2015
    1:16pm
    Can't have a rise in GST rate that will affect the more well off with their luxuries.

    Better to screw the low income earners who spend a greater portion of their income on the basics.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:24pm
    And that is essentially how it works Wstaton. But this government will not tell you that and you would be lucky to much explanation or analysis on the business owned media either.
    seth
    8th Jan 2015
    10:36am
    Why place a noose around food with a GST, an immediate 10% rise in cost, will it not have an impact on those who are finding things tough already? Just think that what was promised originally with GST to avoid double dipping, would be removed, was not.
    There are plenty of tax loopholes that business escape through with the blessing of Abbott, that could be closed, Do away with the perks the Pollies seem to have too many of.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    12:24pm
    An increase in the cost of basic food items hits the poor very disproportionately. That is what is wrong with increasing the GST.
    If this government has its way it will increase the GST and lower taxes for the rich AGAIN. The script follows a familiar pattern.
    Ruthie
    8th Jan 2015
    3:46pm
    Well said, Seth. As Hockey and Hockey keep attacking the less well off and pensioners, a small sentence in the MYEFO statement said it all. They will NOT do anything to recover taxes owed by rich corporations and people like Rupert Murdoch, Abbott's friend and supporter. The Government could stop tax concessions for super rich superannuants (while taxing poor superannuants), this would raise bout $39 billion dollars. They could ditch Abbott's gold plated PPL scheme - more billions and so on.
    Ruthie
    8th Jan 2015
    3:47pm
    Sorry Seth - got carried away with my typing - meant Abbott and Hockey.
    Colette
    8th Jan 2015
    10:52am
    As a retiree living on a fixed income, I am absolutely opposed to the expansion of the GST to include fresh food, health and education. If the government feels that they must tamper with the GST, I could only support a slight increase in the rate for luxury (as in, not necessary) items.
    Tinkerbell
    8th Jan 2015
    12:55pm
    I couldn't agree more. This is the sensible way of going about IF they must, but definitely not the expansion of it.
    AB Kenlow.
    8th Jan 2015
    10:55am
    Now is the time for all Australian voters to make their views known regarding all of the coalitions litany of broken electoral promises not just the proposal to increase the spread of the goods and services tax. If we do not hold politicians to their word we are condoning their lies.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    12:25pm
    That is right. DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. If you do then you agree with what is going to happen.
    ray from Bondi
    8th Jan 2015
    12:33pm
    yes I agree, sadly I was one of the ones whom usually vote labor but believed the lies and spin of the libs, NOT NEXT TIME
    Emps
    8th Jan 2015
    12:39pm
    The Abbott govt has never proposed an increase in the GST. It will be entirely up to the voters. The opposition is weak,and along with its supporters,relies on scare mongering RHETORIC.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    1:40pm
    Do yourself a really big favour ray: vote Independent if you have a good Independent in your area. This is the only way to stop what has been happening in Australian politics for several decades.
    Ruthie
    8th Jan 2015
    3:51pm
    How could anyone with intelligence actually believe the lies made by Abbott and his motley crew - now of course, covered in barnacles.
    The Abbott Poem
    I love a sunburnt country
    A land of knights and dames
    Of racists, bigots, xenophobes and
    Voters with no brains!

    Could not resist!
    tams
    8th Jan 2015
    11:19am
    What about waiting for the White Paper and getting a discussion going.
    Let's see what the compensation arrangements would be, and how will the States distribution be arranged
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    12:26pm
    The idea is to raise more money tams. And if you think that a heap of it is not going to the rich then have a look at the current stalled budget: a tax cut for the rich whilst average Australians are hit on every side with tax increases. Another term would only magnify the problem.
    downunder
    8th Jan 2015
    11:43am
    This lying government will shy away from nothing, they are rotten to the core. Never seen anything more UN-Australian than them. Fixing the budget? Yes, piling on more debts.
    Polly Esther
    8th Jan 2015
    12:49pm
    I can just hear 'Shreck' the cigar smoking one saying "Hey Tony, don't worry about the peasants and the pensioners on fixed incomes, because they don't eat much fresh food anyway. Haw haw haw".
    Reeper
    8th Jan 2015
    1:08pm
    Despite mental midgets like PlanB who considers abuse to be constructive argument, the imposition of GST on a wider range of goods and services has been on the table for successive governments. Whether to impose it or not is a difficult choice but I believe there is an inevitability in the not too distant future as the economy deteriorates without an decrease in demand for government services - someone has to pay. Bill Shorten will bluster and bungle any real comment, but the ALP know as well as anyone changes to GST will become necessary although the ALP will disguise it as another indirect tax - that's just politics
    Judy in the hills
    8th Jan 2015
    1:37pm
    Gee some of you died in the wool Labor supporters take a long time to wake up don't you. The country is NOT in the middle of the financially good times, there are huge financial deficits and there are no huge lottery wins coming along to change things. We do have to pay for what we want and are probably lucky that the GST has not already been levied onto every purchase. Of course Labor is very silent about what they would do to fix things - they will wait for the Libs to do that and then hope that everyone is steamed up enough to vote the Liberals out. We are still trying to pick up on the huge debt that our charming ex PM's Rudd and Gillard left us with. They just spent until the coffers were completely dry, even after 'inheriting' a huge credit amount from the immediate past Liberal governments. Open your eyes you people. Do tell me which Labor government has ever balanced the books in recent years! I wonder how do you run your household budgets - have you also got a great deep hole of debt against your names that you will never be able to repay? Living on credit just doesn't work out in the long run.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    1:46pm
    ............and average Australians should pay whilst those who are not in need (the rich) should have more and more money put into their bank accounts. Real fair!
    What you miss in your talk about balancing books Judy is that NO LIBERAL GOVERNMENT EVERY DID MUCH FOR AVERAGE CITIZENS. Labor gave you superannuation for the masses, Medicare, the NBN and others I cannot even recall. Lets compare apples with apples. Liberal gave you talk, lies and outcomes which their rich funding providers loved.
    And if you want to talk about "balancing the books" then you should have a careful look at analysi of this government. There is no debt repayment and the debt ceiling was removed by Tony Abbott and his cutthroats, not the previous government. Why???? So that they could borrow and spend into oblivion.
    seth
    8th Jan 2015
    2:04pm
    Hear Hear mick, some do not want to face the truth about their beloved party, no matter what liar leads it.
    Emps
    8th Jan 2015
    2:11pm
    Quote: no matter what liar leads it.

    Which liar? this one? There will be no carbon tax under the government i lead?
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:27pm
    As I keep saying Emps: vote true Independents in rather than being conned to keep voting for the two dead (lying) horses.
    But whilst I am at it: Labor - 1 lie, Liberal - so many that I lost count...together with a loss of credibility no matter what the press prints to shore up this bunch of misfits owned and funded by the rich end of town.
    Wstaton
    8th Jan 2015
    2:32pm
    Here we go one lie from a labor government equals multiple lies from the current government.

    Just read an article by the way. The amount of pollution from coal fired generators has dramatically risen since the carbon tax was repealed. God save our planet.
    Ruthie
    8th Jan 2015
    4:01pm
    Talk about a one-eyed liberal party view!! Rose coloured glasses. The boom from mining during the Howard years was to quote a top Australian journalist, David Marr, pissed up against the wall, as Little Johnny, afraid of losing his seat, gave $70 billion dollars in tax cuts. Peter Costello made sure that Telstra was sold and then sold most of Australia's gold reserves - bet you did not know that!!! When Labor won, they were hit by the GST and thankfully they stopped Australia going into a recession. Treasurer Wayne Swan was recognised by the rest of the financial world and named Treasurer of the Year. Additionally Australia was given a triple A credit rating for financial management - by all three credit agencies. When Hlockey took over, he immediately borrowed half a trillion dollars and doubled the deficit. They then gave the Reserve Bank a handy $9 billion! Why??? Now of course, Hockey states that he NEVER said the LNP would achieve a surplus in their first year. It's on the record! Another lie!
    ourjeffie
    8th Jan 2015
    1:51pm
    I believe the GST should be imposed an ALL goods and services, provided that personal income tax rates are correspondingly adjusted and pensioners and other disadvantaged groups are adequately compensated.

    Ultimately I believe that personal income tax should be abolished completely and the GST adjusted accordingly. It makes more sense to me to tax money as it is spent rather than as it is earned.
    Wstaton
    8th Jan 2015
    2:26pm
    You must be kidding. Do you realise what a devastating effect this would have on the less well off. They would be driven to suicide by not being able to feed themselves or pay for accomodation or buy clothes. The only beneficiaries out of this would be the really well off. This would also raise the level of those considered not well off. The idea of income tax it to try and level the field. Obolishing this would remove this. How much do you think the gst would need to be raised to cover the loss of income tax. 30%, 40%. At 30% someone on a low income of $600 a week who may have to pay $300 a week on food suddenly find that they have to pay 390 a week doesn't leave Mitch for accommodation or clothes which by the way would also go up 30%.
    MICK
    8th Jan 2015
    2:29pm
    Are you mad or just rich ourjeffie?
    The poor consume everything they earn. The rich save and invest most of what they earn. So who are you hitting hard? The poor....as usual!
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2015
    5:52pm
    Agree 100% with you ourjeffie.
    In an ideal capitalist scenario, ALL taxes should only be charged to cover bare essential government administration / governance costs.

    Capitalism has been hijacked by politicians to win votes, hence ythe birth of the welfare state and the multitude of handouts to buy votes

    All this has done is put the brakes on economic growth, Its a mirage.
    We are all sufferring from a lower standard of living, because governments have tinkered with free market capitalism.
    The world would be a better place if we got rid of socialist ideologies altogether.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    2:31am
    ourjeffie….
    How NON EGALITARIAN GST is! It is a FLAT tax so is decidedly UNFAIR and INEQUITABLE. The poor, disadvantaged and the average get a HUGE tax hike with the PROMISE (?? last time this did not happen), that individual income tax rates will drop.

    Last time, ONLY the TOP LEVELS of income tax fell and the average got nothing or very little in comparison.

    Besides INCOME TAX is EQUITABLE and taxes people according to their income level…. GST taxes everyone the same, whether they are rich or poor.

    AND don't bring up that rubbish that the wealthy will pay more because they do NOT…. it is simply another method for the GREEDY WEALTHY to shift the BURDEN of TAX from the wealthy to the average (especially) and the disadvantaged.

    PROPAGANDA….. to (again) stick it to the average and disadvantaged to PAY taxes for and on behalf of the wealthy!!!

    The question should be: WHEN ARE THE WEALTHY GOING TO PAY THEIR SHARE instead of continually shifting the tax burden onto others!
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    7:18am
    Why should the wealthy pay more tax? They should pay the average of what the majority pay. That is a fair share. Why should anyone pay more than anyone to the government?

    Why should anyone be penalised for being successful? Is that good for the country? Does that encourage investment?

    If i was a billionaire, i would seriously object to paying more govt tax, of any sort, than a wage earner. There is no valid moral reason to have to pay more. The only moral reason to give more would be a personal one.

    The mere fact that someone is a billionaire ensures some way or other,that billionaire is going to distribute funds millions or billions times more than an average tax payer.
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2015
    8:39am
    Emps, very good point! We have about 13m workers and of those only half pay income tax. It seems a good proportion of the other half are whingers, who want to do a "Robin Hood" job on fellow workers with the government's help. What a pathetic aspirational attitude.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    6:13pm
    Because EMPS…. as a *ratio* of income they pay very little in GST. Income tax ensures that they pay INCOME TAX in accordance with their income level…. i.e.. they pay a higher rate on bigger incomes WHICH is FAIR and EQUITABLE.

    With GST the rich do not pay nearly as much of their income on GST as the poor and average Australian….. hence the percentage that comes out of the poor and average Australian when aligned with their income and then do the same maths/ratios when applying this same test to the Wealthy. Gee… they pay so very little of THEIR income and the poor and average pay a great deal more which then taken that there are a lot, lot more poor and average Australians to Wealthy…. means that the middle and lower end of taxpayers are paying the LIONS share of this GST.

    As GST is not apportioned according to income levels, the wealthy are LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.

    Get a Grip Emps and Frank stop jumping at FALSE straws and supporting the greed and ugliness of the wealthy by supporting the taking of HARD EARNED money, from the poor and average and giving it to the wealthy….. Sheriff of Nottingham, wasn't it…. an ugly greedy and vicious mongrel who pauperised the people… yes!!!!
    carllector
    8th Jan 2015
    2:26pm
    This is another slug at the pensioners and under privileged and if it happens just another lie from Abbott when is he going to stop doing back flips I think it is time for a double dissolution and get rid of the LNP for good
    Ruthie
    8th Jan 2015
    3:35pm
    Don't expect that the Abbott Government will wait for an election to change the GST. So far they have stooped to the lowest of the low as they set out to destroy Medicare, not only with co-payment (not passed by the Senate), but also another attack by ensuring that GP visits less than 10 minutes in length, will ultimately significantly raise doctors' fees. For those who were previously bulk billed, the GP's received a medicare rebate of about $35. This has now been lowered to about $11. Now, of course we are being drip fed by Lib backbenchers about changes to the GST. These changes will see the GST apply to fresh foods, medical services and education. Who will bear the largest burden? Those least able to afford the changes, of course. Changes are also being mooted by the cigar chomping, %500000 lamb chop eater, Joe Hockey about changing the distribution of GST. If these changes were to go ahead, Tasmania, NT, ACT and South Australia would be treated very unfairly under this proposal. What happened to equal opportunity for all Australians? A fair go! I daresay there is a political agenda behind these moves, especially in WA, where an election will be held in the not too distant future.
    Radish
    11th Jan 2015
    8:31am
    Abbott, cannot change the GST.

    All States have to agree to it and he said he would go to another election if he was contemplating a change so I dont know why everyone is getting so hot under the collar.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    2:36am
    Radish
    We have heard Abbott's assurances before and he simply LIES…. anyway, just before the election the mainstream mega corporation MEDIA will smash anything any party other than THEIR party is doing and SWAMP Australia with their PROPAGANDA and the cashed up brogans and their ilk will clock their brains at the door and vote for someone who things they are all 'di*kheads'.

    This CONTROL of OUR media by foreign CORPORATIONS is a TOTAL BREACH of our DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES and simply is another step towards a GROSSLY INEQUITABLE Australia and system of government, that is controlled completely by CORPORATIONS (mostly foreign).
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    6:48am
    Mussitate, if you havnt realized yet, this is media. No one is controlling this projected vomit of text you are flooding this thread with.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    6:55pm
    Ooooooohhhh….. Emps, your dirty (s)lip is showing….

    So, you got nothing then EMPS….. sheezs, you really are not earning your keep old thing.

    You must be one of the lower grade LNP Bots, paid peanuts and spew out the same.

    Tell you what when you get to a higher ranking, come back and give it another go, aye!
    ballaratboy
    8th Jan 2015
    4:16pm
    It's probably inevitable that at some stage the GST will be raised from 10% to perhaps 12.5% or more. Whilst I don't like any tax increase, I do think at least this catches the "crooks" and those who are part of the black economy, ie. those who don't contribute their fair share of taxation by evading income tax etc. Some European countries have a GST much higher than ours. At the end of the day, our Governments have to raise sufficient revenue to keep our services going. Although I must admit, our cost of living is very high and we don't always get the best of service from our Governments, Federal, State and Local.
    buby
    9th Jan 2015
    3:13pm
    We are not here to worry about anybody elses economy Ballatboy. Just ours.
    And the GST WAS caught from other countries we never used to have this. OUR FRESH foods SHOULd NOT be taxed Point blank HOw disgusting.
    U know they should Be getting more ppl into work, NOT upping the GST!!!
    WE get wowful services, and starting to go down the Shoot. OUR HEalth Sector is pathetic, the nurses ARe PUshed, we don't have quality anymore, Decent Doctors are in Short supply! And they wanna Stick to those that want a education. SO Pathetic. they should be hung strung and Quartered!!!!
    Tim@toc
    8th Jan 2015
    5:24pm
    Amelia, why do you misquote people? Mr Abbott promised that there would be “no change to the GST” in the first term of government. After that it would need the approval of the people and all states. GST was supposed to be on everything in the first place. Only way to get a contribution from rich tax evaders, thus allowing the easing of some other taxes which mostly catch lower income people.
    Radish
    11th Jan 2015
    8:26am
    Yes, you are correct with your facts Tim@Toc. Never did Abbott say he would bring in a GST in this term of government.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    10:49am
    Yes Tim@toc, that's what I heard too.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    2:40am
    Of course ABBOTT is to be believed…. he tells the TRUTH and NEVER, EVER BREAKS HIS PROMISES and NEVER, EVER tells LIES…. does HE?

    LNP human BOTS are becoming more and more embarrassing (to themselves) because you are starting to sound more and more ridiculous.

    Fancy trying to get Australians to SWALLOW gst….. do you really think, they are STUPID. I guess you do because YOU swallowed for Abbott, haven't you.
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    7:00am
    Quote from a troll:

    Fancy trying to get Australians to SWALLOW gst….. do you really think, they are STUPID. I guess you do because YOU swallowed for Abbott, haven't you.

    Got news for you mate, Australians swallowed the gst years ago, and its very much accepted.

    Your friendly LNP Bot.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    6:30pm
    Still swallowing aren't YOU…… dear LNP Bot.

    Can't answer so simply detail how HOWARD spent billions on an advertising (propaganda/indoctrination) campaign with OUR money……. which was used to LIE to the people and businesses. Howard's propaganda campaign even roped in Farmers who were on a really good deal with the old WHOLESALE sales tax because they were exempt…. example: bought a car WITHOUT any taxes applied and then after year, could sell it for what they paid for it because of their exemption and then bought a new car with a small turnover cost. Even they were CONNED by Howard's false and lying propaganda….. so what chance did the normal populace have against this blanketing indoctrination!!!

    Fact is, it was rather embarrassing because Australia was the FIRST nation in the world to actually VOTE FOR GST…. every other nations PEOPLE were dragged kicking and screaming to the GST table causing quite a disturbance when their governments implemented their form of GST without their people's approval.

    However, billions in propaganda will tend to indoctrinate unfortunately WHICH is why OUR media should not be OWNED and CONTROLLED by (foreign) CORPORATE interests…. it is a complete CONFLICT of INTEREST and DEMOCRATICALLY UNSOUND.

    So, little LNP (SEPO?) Bot….. at least you are learning to use Australian lingo…MATE!
    dougie
    8th Jan 2015
    5:24pm
    Blame the States not the Federal Government. The States have the control of the GST.
    Again though it is only part of the rumour mill so lets see what the truth is before we all spit the dummy.
    seth
    8th Jan 2015
    5:43pm
    Do you trust the states? a gift of more money through gst IF they all agree on an increase
    dougie
    8th Jan 2015
    6:02pm
    Tell me ! How can you get 8 non aligned states to agree o anything.? Even if it means more funds for them they will not agree. It is like putting three people in a room and asking for consensus - never happens.
    seth
    8th Jan 2015
    6:52pm
    money changes everything.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    2:52am
    dougie

    Still at it for Abbott…. I see.

    Not at all necessary to get the States to increase the GST rate, it is JUST a signed document, it is NOT exactly law.

    So, Abbott could enact the increase in GST at any time. He doesn't really need the states to agree. Anyway, to get states to play along, dirty politics would indeed suffice. Those states that are NOT Liberal and do not agree to the HIKE in GST, will simply get no Federal contributions for PUBLIC education or health or other Federal payments…. ensuring that that state is financially handicapped. Easy Peasy!!!

    The only section of the GST that MAY require parliament approval, is the BROADENING of the GST to FOOD; MEDICAL; EDUCATION; PHARMACEUTICALS; ETC. Those would have to wait until MUGS vote for them at the next election UNLESS Palmer agrees to support the government along with a couple of (encouraged) independents.

    SO, dougie ……. WE THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING VERY HOT UNDER THE COLLAR BECAUSE WE SIMPLY DO NOT TRUST ABBOTT (your lord and master) and are sick to death of PAYING for the WEALTHY to avoid their fiduciary responsibility!

    8th Jan 2015
    5:40pm
    It's about time we bit the bullet and have GST applied across everything.
    We have to pay down our debts. The debt that labor racked up for future generations to bear.
    Pensioners and other welfare recipients can be compensated by an increase in their handouts.
    dougie
    8th Jan 2015
    6:04pm
    25% tax on everything by everyone - no exemptions will bring in millions from the Packers _ Murdocks and Reinharts. Compensate the needy and sock it to the rich. They can afford it. No other taxes required.
    dougie
    8th Jan 2015
    6:04pm
    25% tax on everything by everyone - no exemptions will bring in millions from the Packers _ Murdocks and Reinharts. Compensate the needy and sock it to the rich. They can afford it. No other taxes required.
    dougie
    8th Jan 2015
    6:04pm
    25% tax on everything by everyone - no exemptions will bring in millions from the Packers _ Murdocks and Reinharts. Compensate the needy and sock it to the rich. They can afford it. No other taxes required.
    Emps
    8th Jan 2015
    10:18pm
    Could you please repeat that
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    2:08am
    Sepo Solomon with his USA indoctrinations…. Hi there old thing, hope you had a nice festive season.

    When are the English and Americans going to ASSIMILATE into Australia, instead of pushing THEIR TAINTED old age political and other philosophies and their racial and religious hatreds, upon us.

    DOUGIE, you can read this too….. didn't you learn from Howard's campaign of lies. The ordinary people… even those with NO INCOME had to pay approximately an extra $2000 to cover the GST - a new tax that PACKER thought was wonderful. WHY you might ask…. well BECAUSE Packer had to pay LESS tax and the average Australian had to pay MORE…. a lot, lot more.

    Last time DOUGIE, the disadvantaged…. ('needy' is an ugly American term) got bugger all and the RICH got it all. Howard or the States didn't follow through and cut out other taxes either or reduce the average individuals income tax. This meant that Howard taxed Australian more than any other PM in Australia's history and SPENT more than any other PM in Australia's history!!! Unfortunately, he GAVE, yes, GAVE our hard earned money into the PRIVATE POCKETS of the well off and rich, so that they could send their kids to the BEST PRIVATE schools and so that they could have the BEST PRIVATE health care. Yes, the average person is paying (still) for this privilege ….. you can NOW add parental benefits to the tune of $70,000 pa (max) for the period that they have their babies. THEIR babies are worth more…. Yes!

    Solomon's dribble about Labor's debt is a joke…. Australia had one of the LOWEST deficits in the WORLD during Labor's reign…. however, NOW under Liberals our DEBT has nearly DOUBLED. I really wouldn't bring that up if I were you Solomon…. it makes you look just a tad silly.

    DOUGIE…. how truly awful of you to suggest that the average Australian should now pay 25% tax on all goods and services that they pay for, including food, education, medical and pharmaceuticals, etc. That is more than DOUBLE what we currently are paying.

    YOU, Dougie, are saying that Australians should PAY for ABBOTT'S MISMANAGEMENT of Australia's AFFAIRS…. that is absolutely despicable…. especially when you are also trying to tell us that this government is good for us!!???!!!??!?!?!?!?
    Hillbillypete
    8th Jan 2015
    7:38pm
    Lets all go back eating bread and dripping and see what that does for the heath system!
    seth
    8th Jan 2015
    8:07pm
    It worked for me......also it was well flavoured , after multi usage.
    buby
    9th Jan 2015
    3:16pm
    WE would probably all die from malnutrition.
    I mean nearly everything is Genetically modified. NO nutrition in that!!!!
    Radish
    11th Jan 2015
    8:29am
    Go to any shopping mall and you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would die of malnutrition even if they did not eat for a month!
    Blossom
    8th Jan 2015
    8:57pm
    Fresh Fruit and Vegetables are essential for good health. That is why they weren't taxed originally. Indirectly we already pay taxes on the anyway. The freight to deliver them to markets and retail outlets is taxed.(that means they are already indirectly taxed twice already + fuel levy) Transport companies receive a rebate but the levy went up more than the rebate(sneaky). The Govt. has already upped health costs -Medicare rebate and extra fees imposed by them. Parents pay GST on uniforms, uniform shoes, stationery etc - not covered by the basic amount of rebate. Uniforms cost more than rebates. Pupils cannot be expected to wear the same clothes including socks every day, especially in hot weather. Most schools have winter, summer and sports uniforms. lace-up shoes. All clothes have GST on them. I will guarantee that stationery does too. Can somebody tell me how parents can claim that back??
    buby
    9th Jan 2015
    3:25pm
    Yes yes I noticed that Engy, ONe lot of pills went up by 2.05 and went UP by 2.95/ Lucky i don't have to take too many.
    NOt Just the clothes Engy. but they have to sit in a HOT class room for ages. and the aircon is ON should they be lucky enough to have one. BUT is the filter cleaned on the aircon, will they get sick.......We in the area i live in have suffered MUCH pollution. WE were are farming area, there was many chemicals in the Ground, Then the housing boom took off. and the soils WERE dug UP.......Phew did a lot of ppl get sick. and it all went in to the Air cons. Sometimes i went into the super markets, and you could feel the dirt flowing through to your face. Then by the time i got home I was sick as a dog. The kids would have been suffering the same fate......Argh the world has gone to pot....NO body cares about health for the young or the Elderly. ITs all About the FRicken MONEY YOU greedy business PPL
    buby
    9th Jan 2015
    3:27pm
    Sorry yes a bit off the beaten track, but Hell its all interconnected!!!!!!
    musicveg
    8th Jan 2015
    10:03pm
    Who's standard of living is he talking about? A GST on fresh food is definitely a bit NO. It will hurt everyone, including our farmers who are struggling enough. We need to encourage people to eat more fresh not processed/packaged foods. More reason to start your own vegie patch if you can, or join a community garden project. Yes for a slight increase on luxury items, we don't need them to survive.
    The Good Egg
    9th Jan 2015
    12:51pm
    Leave education, health and fresh food out of the equation. Access to these are pillars of a civil society and should be available to all, not just those with deep pockets.
    As the mother of a country child studying away at uni I am going to be working way past my "use by" to help pay for accomodation, text books etc. Once uni is completed my child will still have a HECS debt of $40K. Leave education, it's already becoming a rich only privilage.
    helleen
    9th Jan 2015
    1:40pm
    I cannot understand why they are even thinking about this, as someone on a disability pension, I struggle to include good, fresh , healthy food into my diet as it is, if they raise the GST, people with lots of money will not care, people in the middle will complain but still buy, but people on pensions and low incomes are the ones that will suffer, they say it will lower income tax but I no longer pay it , although I did for all of my working life from, 15 to 58, does that not count for something. I wonder what Joe Hockey will say this time, when the petrol was increased he said poor people don't drive so it did not matter, so will this time his response be , well poor people don't eat and don't appreciate good healthy food so it will not matter again. How about some of the pollies putting their hands in their own pockets and helping with the problem. OH well I suppose it's one way of addressing our population overweight problem. !!!! And who the hell needs good health care hey. No problems
    buby
    9th Jan 2015
    3:31pm
    Perhaps WE should all NOT eat now Helleen!!! Does it matter if we develop diabetics, OH then the drug companies start charging Us double for our meds :(((!!!
    buby
    9th Jan 2015
    3:32pm
    On a lighter NOTE i think personally they should charge all Cigars smokers double the GST?
    Radish
    9th Jan 2015
    8:23pm
    I would bet london to a brick that Labor would raise the GST if they were in government. Money has to be found from somewhere and you cannot keep upping personal taxes.

    Most people vote for what is good for them personally; maybe it is time we think of the bigger picture, what is good for the country.
    Adrianus
    10th Jan 2015
    8:46am
    Labor is high spending, high taxing. It's in their DNA. I recall a Labor PM by the name of Bob Hawke who said, "we cannot keep raising taxes like this." But as Bill Shorten said "there are no more messiahs" Labor is now just a good protest party, like their partners the Greens, they protest about everything and treat the population as idiots.
    Radish
    11th Jan 2015
    8:34am
    After reading a lot of posts I have come to the conclusion that many people do not understand about the GST and the fact that no matter who is in power they just "cannot" raise the GST.

    Every State in Australia has to vote yes to it.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    2:58am
    Radish

    I am sorry my dear, but it is YOU that do NOT understand GST and the inequities of it NOR the fact that GST does not really need the states to agree…. that was simply a written agreement, it is not a LAW per se!!!!

    Additionally, the GST can be expanded to FOOD, MEDICAL, EDUCATION & Pharmaceuticals, etc IF the likes of PALMER and a few INDEPENDENTS can be coerced into backing it.

    I WOULDN'T TRUST ABBOTT FOR A SECOND….. NOR SHOULD ANYONE ELSE!
    musicveg
    9th Jan 2015
    2:14pm
    If you against GST on fresh food PLEASE SIGN PETITION at change.org, Thank you
    buby
    9th Jan 2015
    3:37pm
    Music i went to Change.org. and its Not even listed?
    Emps
    9th Jan 2015
    11:00pm
    There is no change to the GST. Labor is scaremongering
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    3:05am
    HERE you go buby - just copy and paste the link to your browser:

    https://www.change.org/p/tony-abbott-hands-off-fresh-food-for-gst?recruiter=12281206

    Emps

    Rubbish to you our recent human BOT additive. ABBOTT can not be trusted to increase or even expand GST because he can easily do that. He does not need the states… it is just a signed agreement, it is not a law per se.

    Hence, ABBOTT can not only INCREASE GST, he can also EXPAND it to Food, Education, Medical, Pharmaceuticals, etc…. ALL HE NEEDS is grease the palms of PALMER and a few INDEPENDENTS.

    So STOP spewing PROPAGANDA and trying to INDOCTRINATE Australians.
    nena
    9th Jan 2015
    2:36pm
    I am vegan...and my only income is the old age pension What is going to happen to me? Well, perhaps loose weight. Better even loose my bones, skin and mind however my heart still pumping so I would end up in a full time care institution and live there for years and years. The cost of keeping me there would be enormous...Viva!!!
    Adrianus
    10th Jan 2015
    9:01am
    What a bunch of negative people. All I keep reading is....
    Dam those "well offs" . How can we disadvantage the high income earners and stop them from being so well off?

    Low income earners pay no net tax and if the States vote for a GST increase low income earners will receive adjusting compensation via the welfare system as they do now. So stop all this negativity and be happy with your lot.
    Many of you are not clever enough to see that you're being motivated by greed and hatred. If you continue to be jealous of others who have more it will eventually destroy you.
    Anonymous
    10th Jan 2015
    3:20pm
    Well said Frank.
    Just wait till the Union hack mick reads this.
    seth
    10th Jan 2015
    3:33pm
    I am also in a position whereas a rise in gst can be feathered and not severely felt as others who no doubt will find it much harder, Why condemn them with their worries over the extra cost for their food. I am sure most know that a lot of loopholes in the tax system can be blocked, without a gst on mainstream natural food.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    2:16am
    Frank…. tommy rot!!!
    We didn't get compensated before why should we believe these LIES again. PLUS, the only ones that benefited where the wealthy because the average PAID ONCE AGAIN, MORE taxes and THEY, the wealthy, paid EVEN LESS!! That is the make up of GST…. why the hell do you think Packer and the wealthy are promoting this HUGE HIKE in GST.

    Disgusting mismanagement by the current government (Abbott) and we reward him by paying HUGE amounts in GST so that the wealthy do not have to pay!

    This CRAP about jealous is simple BULL DUST!!!

    Australians simply want the WEALTHY to pay their FAIR SHARE.

    So, Frank, GET A GRIP and stop being so enviously SYCOPHANTIC and trying to cover the wealthy who are the real perpetrators of abject GREED…. not to mention their increasing MALFEASANCE and CORRUPTION.
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2015
    6:35pm
    Mussitate, would you please identify in dollar terms just who you regard as being wealthy? Who are these people you are making all these accusations about? I mean apart from Packer and Murdoch who are on top of your hate list.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    7:00pm
    I don't dance Frank…. I don't need to BUT by all means Frank, let me know who YOU consider to make up that group of wealthy parasite who do not pay their fair share of taxes and expect the poor and ordinary Australians to continue to cough up and pay THEIR share as well as their own!

    Should be interesting!
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2015
    11:19pm
    So you have no idea who you're having a rant over?
    Radish
    13th Jan 2015
    3:06pm
    I do not spend a moment of my time getting angry at people who have more than me. It is their business. If they are rorting the system they will hopefully eventually be caught.
    Life is too short and I have no intention of stressing myself worrying that I don't have as much as others.
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    3:24pm
    Frank
    Don't be silly my son… I don't rant!
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    3:52pm
    Radish (F)
    1. Where did this (F) come from????
    2. Good for you Radish… at least you acknowledge that GREED is not good for a nation or its people
    3. No, it is NOT THEIR business, it is OURS and Australia's because Australia's very essence is being eroded and destroyed by evasion and avoidance and downright criminal activity
    4. I too get on with my life BUT I have a thing about FAIRNESS and it just ain't Australian to STEAL from your mates….. so yes, I will fight it as much as I can AND enjoy it and life.

    Take care Radish (F)
    toot2000
    10th Jan 2015
    10:15pm
    I'm old enough to remember when Meg Lees, leader of the Democrats said in 1998 she wouldn't support GST on fresh food - fresh fruit and vegies have been keeping us alive ever since.
    Radish
    11th Jan 2015
    8:38am
    Junk food appears to be the favoured food of many in this country and maybe we need to tax that higher and get people back to eating healthier.

    It would also help our overburdened health system.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2015
    10:53am
    Radish, that makes sense. Labor increased taxes on Alco pops and cigarettes for that reason. Why not unhealthy Fast Food?
    Radish
    13th Jan 2015
    3:05pm
    I doubt it will happen Frank...so many appear not to have a clue about how to run a home and cook these days. easier to go to Maccas and get fatter.
    AB Kenlow.
    11th Jan 2015
    1:51pm
    Which group of people have the resources and means and consequently the greatest input and influence on government policies in western countries; The wealthy.Can this state of affairs be described as Democracy. I would say definitely no and the only solution to this dilemma is a lot of thought and a trip to the ballot box.
    Emps
    11th Jan 2015
    5:41pm
    That fact is never going to change,even in a communist country

    11th Jan 2015
    10:59pm
    Emps (my LNP human bot)…. what has communism got to do with anything.

    AB Kenlow is quite right… the wealthy elite and leashholders of Mega Corporations (many foreign) do in FACT gain more and more from interfering with OUR democratic processes. This is called CORPORATOCRACY and is detailed in Wikipedia.

    I have detailed the results of the polarisation of wealth into the hands of wealthy elite leashholders above but will show it again because it is very valid….

    "The USA is a perfect example…..5% owning 90% of the wealth and putting the rest of the country into near third world conditions with alarming poverty; violent crime a daily occurrence; growing slums; PUBLIC education a total joke; PUBLIC health to die for; crumbling infrastructure; civil war conditions between the police and the disenfranchised; REAL unemployment over the moon; trillions of paper $ printed to cover debts; Bankers and the 5% not being prosecuted for their crimes (above the law - throwing out a cornerstone of democracy - all people equal before the law); control of the masses with mainstream media blanketing of propaganda and indoctrination and removal of habeas corpus (right to a trial)….. etc, etc."

    IF the likes of ABBOTT actually put Australia as their primary concern, instead of re-paying Murdoch and his cohorts for providing the massive amount of propaganda to get him elected as PM and then sell out OUR countries wealth, then Australia will not end up as badly as the USA (and the UK).

    Remembering of course that this detrimental state of affairs in the USA was even when they were the World currency which means they could simply pass on their mismanagement and corrupt practices to the rest of the world…. Australia does NOT have that advantage.

    Australia will merely end up a dried out husk, after these PARASITES have removed all Australia's wealth into their pockets which mainly goes overseas.

    Abbott's policies are merely the reprinting of Murdoch's and other mega (foreign) corporation's WISH LISTS…. absolutely NO checks done to ensure that they do NOT damage Australia's economy, now or in the future.

    I call it TREASON but I am sure others will think I go too far.
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    12:08am
    There will always be the rich and not so rich and the poor. Even in a socialist political environment. Trust i have aided your understanding.

    Anything published in Wikipedia is up for argument, not necessarily fact..

    You live in a capitalist society, naturally rich people, well off people, super rich people, and poorer people exist, that's it. Don't like it? Try somewhere else, where you will see real corruption, and without the freedoms and protection you now enjoy. Get real buddy, come down from cloud cuckoo land.



    Unless you have a minimum of
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    1:43am
    Buddy….buddy?????? Not another SEPO bot, sent to propagandise and taint whatever you touch!!!

    I will iterate what I have written below…. you are not really worth something original… doubt whether you could follow it anyway:

    "Alternative is simply what Australia used to have…… capitalism BUT with a social conscience.

    For example: Yes, make your money BUT for every dollar you will need to give back say 40%, so that the WHOLE nation can grow.

    Now, that wasn't hard was it.

    Corporatocracy simply does NOT work, as the economy grinds eventually to a halt because money does not flow it stagnates….. see above whereby we look at what the USA has become…. a cesspit. Economies grow and flourish when the majority have most of the wealth… this is a fact… the USA was at its height when the majority owned most of the wealth. To fix the USA which has been completely BROKEN under Corporatocracy, you would need a world war and unfortunately, that appears to be where we are heading."

    Just a FEW MORE complete INACCURACIES:

    DEMOCRACY
    We no longer have a democracy…… OUR governments are allowed to SPY on us without ANY the courts or our parliamentary representatives overseeing what is being done. This is in breach of the very concept of DEMOCRACY. Additionally, the USA has already taken down two MAJOR cornerstones of Democracy by throwing out the "rule of law" and "habeas corpus".
    CORRUPTION
    Unlike the USA which has 90% of its elected members of parliament being funded by Corporations and every official from the very top to the bottom, dependant upon 'back handers' to survive, Australia had very little corruption until Abbott came along and even then, in comparison, our corruption was minuscule. Now that Corporations rule we now PROSECUTE WHISTLEBLOWERS who present the people with malfeasance and corruption of their politicians and officials….instead of supporting and empowering them.
    WIKIPEDIA
    It has been found that Wikipedia is over 90% accurate…. not much different to the very expensive paid for online encyclopaedias. DUH!

    So, there my little propaganda blowin….. there are ALWAYS BETTER WAYS of DOING THINGS and Australians do NOT have to accept Mega Corporations (many of them USA) coming into Australia, taking our 'goodies' and leaving their droppings behind. Their droppings meaning their despicable Corporacratic despotic rule and THEIR abject CORRUPTION which says that the wealthy can control OUR democratic processes and do whatever they want …. which generally means that they can incarcerate anyone they want and RESTRICT our FREEDOMS and RIGHTS.

    Sorry old chum…. but one big raspberry, I'm afraid.

    11th Jan 2015
    11:04pm
    Oh! Here is a link to the ostentatious and disgusting amount of wealth these PARASITES have taken from their fellow country men…. really greedy, greedy gutless bast*rds. This one just happens to be of those in the UK but the USA are the forerunners (still).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n06WlUJScTg

    SICKENING!
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    12:26am
    Thats capitalism mate, wealth is not disgusting, whats your alternative? Do you do anything? There are beggars on the street, you have lots more than those i assume. Are you corrupt? they may think so. Do you throw them the odd coin when you have notes in your wallet?
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    1:22am
    That is NOT capitalism…. it is Corporatocracy. Duh!

    Alternative is simply what Australia used to have…… capitalism BUT with a social conscience.

    For example: Yes, make your money BUT for every dollar you will need to give back say 40%, so that the WHOLE nation can grow.

    Now, that wasn't hard was it.

    Corporatocracy simply does NOT work, as the economy grinds eventually to a halt because money does not flow it stagnates….. see above whereby we look at what the USA has become…. a cesspit. Economies grow and flourish when the majority have most of the wealth… this is a fact… the USA was at its height when the majority owned most of the wealth. To fix the USA which has been completely BROKEN under Corporatocracy, you would need a world war and unfortunately, that appears to be where we are heading.
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    9:35am
    For every dollar i make i need to give back 40% ? You think i'm that stupid ?
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    9:37am
    Or if i may put it another way...i will if you will give back your 40%.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    6:42pm
    Well, I saw your little avatar and yes, you do look a tad STUPID (sorry but that is MY opinion on the avatar that you presented). Now on to ME and I must say that I have always paid my FULL taxes because I believe solidly in taking what I can BUT putting something back to ensure that this NATION is FREE, DEMOCRATIC and ensure that EVERY person is given the opportunity to live DECENTLY and with DIGNITY.

    Why should I accrue obscene wealth whilst my fellow Australians are living in the streets.

    You can live very, very comfortably on $150000 after tax…. why the hell would ANYONE need more….. GREED, GREED and UGLINESS maybe?

    I want a prosperous Australia with a good economy that shares out the wealth in a more egalitarian manner which allows the Nation to support its YOUTH, INNOVATION, PROSPERITY and general WELL BEING whilst ensuring that Australia has VERY LITTLE violence and other crimes to contend with.

    Hey….. LNP bot…. that would mean that we have a brilliant system with ALL Australian's prospering. Not communism and NOT corporatocrasy….. just LESS GREED.
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    6:57pm
    My avatar? i do not have an avatar. I think you may have to go to internet school Mussitate.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    7:05pm
    Oh dear Emps…

    you really are getting more and more like my opinion of your avatar, aye…..

    HAVE a look at the very first COMMENT on this thread…. yes, you have an AVATAR, dear thing. Didn't they tell you that they would be giving you an avatar, didn't you know you had one… dear me and YOU are telling ME to go to 'internet school'.

    Here is just one definition of an AVATAR: "Computing an icon or figure representing a particular person in computer games, Internet forums, etc."

    deary, deary me Emps….. you really are one of the lower grade, bottom of the run LNP Bots.
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    7:41pm
    Wrong again, it is simply an uploaded photograph
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    8:21pm
    An avatar is usually a graphical representation of something.

    Seen the movie AVATAR?
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    9:26pm
    Emps

    Well done, Emps! Yes an avatar "is usually a graphical representation of something"…. that is what your uploaded photograph is….. a picture of two nuthouse attendants approaching you to put a straight jacket on you.

    This 'icon' is a graphical representation of YOU on this particular Internet forum.

    Unbelievable…. the standards of LNP Bots is so low, it is difficult to talk any form of sense BUT I must admit, it is fun… chuckle!
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    11:13pm
    I know you,,, as Jon Hoy, the troll by another name lol
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    2:49pm
    That all you got? Disappointing!
    Adrianus
    12th Jan 2015
    8:54am
    Gee, it seems the Abbott Government is heading in the right direction according to the OECD.

    OECD welcomes Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook restraint, but urges GST increase

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-17/oecd-welcomes-myefo-restraint-but-urges-gst-increase/5971426
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    6:50pm
    Frank

    You are digging deep MATE…. just because a FOREIGN body says that GST is good, does NOT mean that it is…. SHEEZ!!!!

    Just take a look at this statement……. "The U.S. Council for International Business (USCIB) represents the views of America’s private sector through its participation in the OECD’s Business and Industry Advisory Committee (BIAC)" ……. so, the USA is heavily involved in the OECD, yes!

    The USA is a CORPORATOCRACY and NOT a DEMOCRACY and is corruptly controlled by mega corporations….. eeeeerrrrrrrrhhhhhhh…. the wealthy elite leashholders of mega corporations, ALWAYS want to pay LESS and LESS taxes and of course are so damn GREEDY and UGLY, that these PARASITES on society want the poor and average citizen to pay THEIR taxes for them….. so of COURSE they would support GST whenever and wherever they can.

    Not forgetting that the beneficiaries of the GST in ALL nations, including Australia, are the same wealthy elite leashholders of mega corporations…. (eeerrhh mainly foreign and mainly USA).

    Come on Frank, if you are going to swallow that much, at least give us something that resembles a VALID argument.
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    7:37pm
    All mega corporations are owned by shareholders. The so called corrupt leashholders are responsible to the shareholders. They are charged with the responsibility of generating operating profits to give a return to investors. To produce, to employ, to pay taxes. Mussitate..you can be a shareholder, you can democratically buy into these corporations or are you simply not good enough? Do you understand economics?, i doubt it. Without these mega corporations would you be able to afford to buy a car?, a TV?, goods for your home?, services?, medical material needs? NO, get real, all your big shouting words are just plain nonsense
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    8:51pm
    Emps…. come back when you actually KNOW what you are talking about. You are showing how very little you know about economics AND real life in commerce.

    The Leashholders ARE the shareholders…. they are PREFERENCE shareholders USUALLY but can hold very large chunks of ORDINARY shareholdings as well. They are usually represented by THEIR blokes/sheilas on the Board and control upper management.

    These mega corporations may have originally innovated BUT due to their SINGLE aim of simply making more and more profits (that is the singular creature we are dealing with), it may be MORE profitable to acquire and shelve new inventions rather than to allow these new innovations to proceed.

    It took Australian scientist over 15 years to be heard when trying to tell the world that most Ulcers could be CURED and not just EASED by a simply antibiotic process. Pharmaceutical GIANTS had billions in revenue to lose, so worked tirelessly to make sure no one heard about this simple remedy!!!

    Ditto for many other innovations which would advance our society.

    Funnily enough, all the products listed would still be available without the need for greedy MEGA corporations. Small and Medium Corporations produce these goods BETTER than Mega corporations… more efficiently and more innovatively because THEY compete and will strive to outdo their competitors with new and better products.

    MEGA CORPORATIONS do NOT innovate and nor do they do anything for any society, except to extract and suck out as much wealth for themselves as possible.

    MEGA Corporations and hence CORPORATOCRACY are a capitalist aberration and is the very opposite to capitalism.

    Small and Medium Corporations also EMPLOY more people and do NOT abandon their own country when the economy gets roughs because they usually live and work IN that country and depend upon that economy to survive. ANOTHER reason MEGA Corporations are so BAD for a country….. they work to destroy small and medium corporations and don't give a damn about a their "hosts" economic well being because they can simply move to another "host" nation and suck them dry.

    You can't touch me on business matters, so don't even try Emps….. you know absolutely NOTHING… as your rather ridiculous comments prove.
    Emps
    12th Jan 2015
    11:30pm
    Absolute rubbish. You have not a clue on economics Do you still go to kindergarten? Keep hearing BIG words like MEGA, and MEGA CORPORATIONS. They are impressive words for little small minds. Those teachers should know better. Business? yes, i know business, done it all my working life. Wealth? yes i have wealth. Earned every penny. Probably have more money out on invoices than you have had in your lifetime....loser.
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    3:01pm
    Emps…. give up whilst you are so far behind…. your comments show that you wouldn't know business if you tripped over it. In fact, the only business you have shown that you know anything about is the sort of business you do behind a closed toilet door.

    Oh! dear…. not the I am wealthier than you rag… AND the good SEPO term 'loser' thrown in for extra measure.

    Dear me Emps, we in Australia don't really have winners and losers, WE have people that simply "GIVE IT A GO" mate...and then do the best they can! Funny, we seem to get a lot more done that way… people aren't 'afraid' like you SEPOs because WE REWARD TRYING!!!!!

    Plus, I doubt very much if you EARNED anything more than an average wage… so who cares about the excess (you SAY you received) that you haven't EARNED. Makes you no different to any hard working Australian who brings in a modest income….. tell me Emps, how is extracting more income than you EARN of any relevance… it certainly doesn't make you a better or smarter person…. in fact, your boasts indicate that you are a LESSER person.

    12th Jan 2015
    8:01pm
    Quote that silly boy Mussitate
    You can live very, very comfortably on $150000 after tax…. why the hell would ANYONE need more….. GREED, GREED and UGLINESS maybe?

    Who are you to judge how others live and how much they make?
    Did you ever stop to think that those who make this much and more are also the ones who save & invest so they can become self funded retirees.
    Yes - self funded, so that taxes can go to paying the disadvantaged their welfare and the rest invested in infrastrucuture and other schemes that help grow the economy.
    People with your left wing loonie thinking really piss me off. Short sighted and not much between the ears.
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    9:19pm
    EASY my dear SEPO Solomon…. your curling lip will get stuck in the last place you put it and it is not a good look running BEHIND your 'masters', bent down so low.

    NOW onto your drippingly silly statement……

    When these PARASITES gain enough power by interfering in Australia's DEMOCRATIC processes and FORCE poor and average Australians to PAY for THEIR pollution; for THEIR subsidised energy & water, etc; for THEIR taxes; and for the average Australian to get paid less and less in real terms so that THEIR wealth increases…… Then YES, silly thing, OF COURSE, I and ALL Australians have the RIGHT to judge them and to stand up and say NO, it is time that YOU paid your share!!!!!!!!!

    You are now telling MOI that I am NOT allowed to object to being screwed by the wealthy and that I should grin and bear it…. of please!… I am NOT YOU Solomon. I realise that that is what you lot do in the USA…. suck, then suck some more and then shoot your fellow man, then suck some more, after bowing low to your wealthy 'masters'. BUT we MATE, are Australians not SEPOs, we still have a certain amount of GRIT and INTELLIGENCE.

    Oh! The ONLY group that provides worthwhile INFRASTRUCTURE is the GOVERNMENT who collect taxes from the likes of ORDINARY taxpayers, so that it CAN invest in PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. The ORDINARY taxpayer is ALSO the one that pays for their OWN disadvantaged and WELFARE, as well. If the WEALTHY pay little in TAXES then they contribute very little to the running of this country. This financial BURDEN falls ALWAYS to the poor and average Australian.

    That is why I and every other ordinary Australian who is bearing the BRUNT of the countries fiscal obligations and pays the MOST taxes is entitled to Welfare and other benefits and the WEALTHY who contribute VERY LITTLE should NOT have a say about where OUR taxes go.

    ECONOMICALLY, if you spread the wealth around, by taxing those that have excessive wealth, then that nations wealth as a whole and the economy is HEALTHY and FLOWING.

    Your proposal to wait for these PARASITES to piss on us from high under the guise of the economic term 'trickle down effect' is ludicrous. The wealthy do NOT provide for a nation….. the TAXPAYERS of that nation do that and that is WHY we are allowed to GRIPE when these GREEDY PARASITES contribute NOTHING!!!!

    PS…. the average Australian, also, contributes much, much more to saving and investment as well…. it is all in the numbers Solomon, dear thing.

    PSS…. you got those lips detached yet?
    Anonymous
    12th Jan 2015
    11:31pm
    Wealth is a key ingredient for investment and economic growth. Wealth allows for investment in start ups, provides venture capital, and with that comes more prosperity, distribution of income, employment creation and economic growth.

    But why am I explaining basic economics to a luddite.

    By the way I AM NOT from Sepo County Illinois. Do you just make up what you dont know.
    And you obviously DONT KNOW MUCH AT ALL
    Emps
    13th Jan 2015
    3:12pm
    This Mussilate guy is just a long winded troll, i have come across him doing the same old,same old, under another name. Time waster, not worth replying to. Musselite...end of.
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    3:41pm
    Solomon

    No, wrong, an economy is a lot, lot better when the wealth is spread out as this ensures a thriving and vigorous flow of money, investments and prosperity.

    To hoard the wealth in the hands of a very minuscule group of parasites and leave the rest of the nation to wither and die of poverty and crime, is what is NOT good for an economy or a nation.

    Just take a GOOD look at your own country Solomon….. from the mightiest nation in the world (that was when the wealth was more spread out) to a cesspool of violent crime, poverty, undereducated populace, crumbling infrastructure, ghost CITIES, REAL unemployment over the roof, public health, utilities and facilities nearly non-existent…. etc, etc… due solely to the polarisation of wealth into the GREEDY hands of a very few.

    NOW….. Sepo County Illinois, now that is hilarious…. took me ages to stop laughing… brilliant Solomon, didn't realise you had such a good sense of humour. Maybe in another world we could have been friends.

    Emps
    Well, ALL I want from you is the name of this other pseudo character and the site that he/she frequents…. I would dearly like to interact with her/him.
    It is a well known tactic for LNP Bots to call all and sundry trolls, to deflect from the FACT that, that is exactly what THEY are… good luck with that!
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    4:07pm
    Mussitate like mick is a labor party stooge.

    Probably never worked a day in his life being an overpaid public servant, bludging of the taxpayer.
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    6:17pm
    Solomon
    Silly boy…… I don't normally vote for labor but have occasionally. I am NOT a specific party person. I look at what there policies are, etc and then make a judgement on their history and their policies and their commitment to Australia as a whole and not just the wealthy.

    I certainly did NOT vote for the Abbott because he had:
    -No policies (other than mega corporate Wish Lists);
    -No vision for the Whole of Australia (just whatever was on the Wish Lists);
    -Was willing to sell out Australia by stopping Labor's NBN and putting in RUBBISH instead, simply to appease Murdoch….. a FOREIGN multi-billionaire

    On to your disparaging remarks:
    -I have worked ALL my life and have been LUCKY not to have been required to access welfare…. in Australia we normally put out our hand to help those in trouble….. not step on their faces. HOW DARE you call those less advantaged BLUDGERS…. to me that is like spewing expletives and should be able to be reported…..
    -I was actually a CONSULTANT to a Govt Dept for two years and it was an eye opener…. it was a new department and they needed professionals to create and commence its social proposals. I believed all the rubbish about govt employees and got the shock of my life… this lot was inventive, innovative, hard working and willing to put in the extra yards to get something up and running. Some of their programmes were that good that they were taken and used in Sweden who were, at that time, leaders in the field. Yes, the edges smoothed over and some of the brilliants moved on after a time BUT it showed me how wrong people LIKE YOU are! Australian public servants are not like SEPO public servants….. ours do not have their hands tied behind their backs by corruption and the need to take backhanders to ensure enough wages to take home!!!

    You are are really insulting person sometimes and really should pull your head in.

    13th Jan 2015
    3:54pm
    Back to topic
    Abbot should bite the bullet and charge GST on everything - Groceries, Education, Financial Services AND reduce income tax proportionately.
    That way EVERYONE will be paying their FAIR SHARE of tax.

    Those on welfare can be compensated accordingly.
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    4:26pm
    Solomon

    Unbelievable that you should have the audacity to tell Australians what they need and what they should do??? DON'T tell Australians what they should and shouldn't do and what is right and wrong when your own country is a cesspit due completely to the same sort of ABJECT GREED by the wealthy, that you are promoting here.

    YOU think it is okay for ORDINARY Australians to CARRY THE CAN for the wealthy elite by taxing OUR food, Education, Health, Pharmaceuticals, etc …. oh! and of course REDUCING the TOP RATE of tax, so that the wealthy elite pay EVEN LESS than they did before. It is the TOP RATE of tax that will be the one reduced and the lower levels NOT at all OR just a little to shut us up.

    How NICE of you Solomon to RECOMMEND (?) to all Australians that they should do this wonderful thing for the WEALTHY ELITE….. PAY THEIR FRIGGING TAXES FOR THEM…. YET AGAIN ….. BUT this time, DOUBLE IT SHALL WE!!!!!!

    Your statement; "that way everyone will by paying their fair share of tax" is SICKENING and a total LIE!!!!!

    IF you increase GST AND EXTEND IT, then the POOR, DISADVANTAGED and AVERAGE Australian will be paying so very much more than what we were paying before and as a percentage of our EARNING will be gastronomically HIGH…. each and every person will be looking at a further $2000pa (at least). Whilst the wealthy will be skipping gleefully to the BANK with their excess money!!!!

    WHY DON'T WE TAX THE WEALTHY…. LETS SEE ….. A 10% WEALTH TAX SHOULD DO IT!!

    Then COMPENSATE THEM accordingly!!!!

    Oh! sorry, they already get compensated…. Australians (disadvantaged and average) already subsidise power and water of MINING GIANTS (foreign mostly) AND our government also turn into communists and HAND OUT big money to specific industries….. errrrrhhhhhh…. OUR money!

    Yes, I thing that Australians should be asking our government to set a WEALTH TAX based upon earnings…… As soon as a corporation or individual EARNS (Revenue/capital gain NOT Profit) more than…say... 250million, they are required to pay a 10% WEALTH TAX on that REVENUE. That would ensure little room for avoidance or evasion AND then it is THEM who have to PROVE that the WEALTH TAX will irretrievably damage their business and make a CLAIM to get some of that tax back again.

    Seems the FAIREST and MOST EQUITABLE of the LOT.

    Oh! and don't push the rubbish that mega corporations will go down… utter rubbish!
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    4:52pm
    Introduction of GST across the Board will ensure EVERYONE including TAX AVOIDERS and EVADERS are caught by the TAX NET.

    Low income earners tax free thresholds can be raised by a propertionate amount so they are not worse off.
    Pensioners and other welfare recipients social security payments can be increased accordingly.

    Corporations have shareholders. In Australia the biggest shareholders are superannuation and pension funds . That means ordinary citizens.

    Providing business incentives to come to Australia makes good economic sense. Corporations pay billions in taxes. REvenue that goes towards welfare and nation building.

    Australia needs to have a DIVERSE economy. The recent Oil and Commofdity price crash has highlighted the PERILS of relying on one industry. something LABOR did during the GFC.
    LABOR tried to RIDE the RESOURCE SECTOR like a dirty whore, raping and pillaging it just because times were good. MINING TAX DISASTER !!!
    Business need the good times to compensate for the bad. Like ordinary citizens, they nee to be allowed to make HAY while the SUN SHINES, because we all well know, a RAINY DAY is just around the corner

    Wealth tax is regressive and disastrous. Profit and Earning should be taxed - YES. Taxing wealth will result in hordes of wealthy leaving Australia for greener pastures.

    By the way - the US economy is BOOMING because it has a good labor laws and a robust taxation system. Taxes need to come down, and they will under a REPUBLICAN government

    THE US is having its Second Wind, and this will again be the US Century. Mark my words. Free market capitalism is the only tried and tested way to economic prosperity
    Anonymous
    13th Jan 2015
    5:56pm
    Solomon
    Again, UTTER RUBBISH, it would NOT ensure everyone pays their FAIR SHARE the poor, disadvantaged and the average Australian PAY the BULK of this tax! PLUS, Packer (for one) easily avoided a hell of a lot of GST and still does!!!!

    UNFORTUNATELY, HOWARD did NOT increase the tax free threshold AFTER the GST was introduced. PRIOR to the GST this threshold was increased from $5400 to $6000 ($600 diff) which meant that the most the poor could get out of it was $600x20%=$120…. big blo*dy DEAL. The POOR paid up to $2000 in GST but MAY (?) get back a whole $120.

    The low income earners tax free threshold was increased for the first time in nearly 10 years by LABOR from $6000 to $18200…. a HUGE amount for the average taxpayer… more than double, with this concession being adequately budgeted for and audited.

    From 1984 to 2000 (16 years for goodness sake) this tax free threshold was increased by ONLY $806 from $4594 - $6000…. I really cannot see this tax free threshold being increased EVEN AFTER the government coffers will FILL DRAMATICALLY… as they need to fix up their MISMANAGEMENT and FEED their WEALTHY MATES!

    The ONLY thing mentioned is to REDUCE the TOP Income TAX RATES which benefits (AGAIN) the WEALTHY.

    Now onto SUPERANNUATION FUNDS….. why would paying taxes interfere in the normal commercial necessity of these MEGA Corporations paying their FAIR SHARE of TAXES. If it means that PREFERENCE SHAREHOLDERS take all the dividends and leave very little for the ORDINARY SHAREHOLDERS, then Superannuation Funds will simply MOVE their money to a better MANAGED Corporate investment.

    BESIDES…… there is so much wealth and POWER attached to Superfunds, they should BE 100% GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED AND GUARANTEED. By god…… every single ordinary person out there would love to know their hard earned money was safely in the hands of the Australian Government It has worked a treat in SINGAPORE…. look at how that city has grown, clean, no crime, prospering with the wealth of their average citizen nearly more than Australia. Singapore had sweat shops, crime and poverty. WHY the HELL would HOWARD hand this wealth and power over to PRIVATE pockets to MANAGE…..!!!???!!! Because he followed the GREED of the USA of course and PATHETICALLY imitated their every move.

    Re: wealthy leaving Australia…… they are NOT the ones that make Australia work…. it is those SMALL & MEDIUM businesses who do that. They employ more and do not run away if they can NOT rape and pillage OR when things get tough….. they LIVE here and generally do not sh*te in their own nests.

    The US economy is NOT booming because it pauperises its workers into accepting TIPS as a wage and many, many people have to work TWO jobs to get ONE decent LIVING PAY. It is turning the USA into a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!!!

    The ONLY way the USA can survive (TRILLIONS in debt) is by having a third world war which it is ramping up for…. having NUTTERS in charge who are so undereducated and controlled by their CORPORATE MASTERS, that they are little more than monkeys.

    There is NO SUCH thing as FREE MARKET…. every single USA market (except possibly the Labour Market) is manipulated and controlled by corporations…. they even own the Federal Reserve (through various avenues) for goodness sake!!!!! They control gold prices, share prices through gross manipulation using other countries and computer software.

    Your country is somewhat of a joke EXCEPT that it has the BIGGEST and MOST BRUTAL war mongering record and military in the WORLD….. now with NUTTERS in charge, I don't think the rest of the world stands a chance.
    Pamiea
    16th Jan 2015
    11:25pm
    Definitely dont tax fruit and veg. Abolish Family Trusts so the ritchies pay appropriate tax. I think this would generate a ton of money for the coffers.


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