NZ PM's coronavirus response a masterclass in crisis leadership

New Zealand’s prime minister is showing the world’s how it’s done.

A masterclass in crisis leadership

Suze Wilson, Massey University

Imagine, if you can, what it’s like to make decisions on which the lives of tens of thousands of other people depend. If you get things wrong, or delay deciding, they die.

Your decisions affect the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people, resulting in huge economic disruption, mass layoffs and business closures. Imagine you must act quickly, without having complete certainty your decisions will achieve what you hope.

Now imagine that turning your decisions into effective action depends on winning the support of millions of people.

es, you do have enforcement capacity at your disposal. But success or failure hinges on getting most people to choose to follow your leadership – even though it demands sudden, unsettling, unprecedented changes to their daily lives.

This is the harsh reality political leaders around the world have faced in responding to COVID-19.

As someone who researches and teaches leadership – and has also worked in senior public sector roles under both National and Labour-led governments – I’d argue New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is giving most Western politicians a masterclass in crisis leadership.

Three communication skills every leader needs
When it comes to assessing New Zealand’s public health response, we should all be listening to epidemiologists like Professor Michael Baker. On Friday, Prof. Baker said New Zealand had the “most decisive and strongest lockdown in the world at the moment” – and that New Zealand is “a huge standout as the only Western country that’s got an elimination goal” for COVID-19.

But how can we assess Ms Ardern’s leadership in making such difficult decisions? A good place to start is with American professors Jacqueline and Milton Mayfield’s research into effective leadership communication.

The Mayfield’s research-based model highlights ‘direction-giving’, ‘meaning-making’ and ‘empathy’ as the three key things leaders must address to motivate followers to give their best.

Being a public motivator is essential for leaders – but it’s often done poorly. The Mayfield’s research shows direction-giving is typically over-used, while the other two elements are under-used.

Ms Ardern’s response to COVID-19 uses all three approaches. In directing New Zealanders to “stay home to save lives”, she simultaneously offers meaning and purpose to what we are being asked to do.

In freely acknowledging the challenges we face in staying home – from disrupted family and work lives, to people unable to attend loved ones’ funerals – she shows empathy about what is being asked of us.

The 23 March press conference announcement of New Zealand’s lockdown is a clear example of Ms Ardern’s skilful approach, comprising a carefully crafted speech, followed by extensive time for media questions.

In contrast, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson pre-recorded his 24 March lockdown announcement, offering no chance for questions from the media, while framing the situation as an ‘instruction’ from government, coupled with a strong emphasis on enforcement measures.

Where Ms Ardern blended direction, care and meaning-making, Johnson largely sought ‘compliance’.

Enabling people to cope with change
Ms Ardern’s approach also strongly reflects what well-known Harvard leadership scholar Professor Ronald Heifetz has long argued is vital – but also rare and difficult to accomplish – when leading people through change.

Ms Ardern has used daily televised briefings and regular Facebook live sessions to clearly frame the key questions and issues requiring attention.

Extracts from Jacinda Ardern’s evening Facebook Live from home on 25 March, hours before New Zealand went into level 4 lockdown.

Also consistent with Prof. Heifetz’s teachings, she has regulated distress by developing a transparent framework for decision-making – the government’s alert level framework – allowing people to make sense of what is happening and why.

Importantly, that four-level alert framework was released and explained early, two days before a full lockdown was announced, in contrast with the prevarication and sometimes confusing messages from leaders in countries such as Australia and the UK.

Jacinda Ardern’s March 21 explanation of New Zealand’s four-level alert system.

Persuading many to act for the collective good
The work of another leadership scholar, the UK’s Professor Keith Grint, also sheds light on Ms Ardern’s leadership approach during this crisis.

For Prof. Grint, leadership involves persuading the collective to take responsibility for collective problems. Much of the prime minister’s public commentary has been dedicated to exactly that – and it’s been overwhelmingly effective, at least so far, with a recent poll showing 80 per cent support for the government’s response to COVID-19.

Prof. Grint also argues that when dealing with ‘wicked problems’ – which are complex, contentious and cannot be easily resolved – leaders must ask difficult questions that disrupt established ways of thinking and acting.

It’s clear this has happened in New Zealand, as shown in the suite of initiatives the government has taken to respond to the pandemic, including its decision to move to a national lockdown relatively fast compared to many – though not all – countries.

Of course, not everything has been perfect in New Zealand’s or Ms Ardern’s COVID-19 response. Ongoing, independent scrutiny of the government’s response is essential.

But as my own research has argued, expecting perfection of leaders, especially in such difficult circumstances, is a fool’s errand.

It’s never possible. Nor should we allow the ‘perfect’ to become the enemy of the ‘good’ when speed and enormous complexity are such significant features of the decision-making context.

Whether you’re comparing Ms Ardern’s performance against other Western leaders, or assessing her efforts using researchers’ measures of leadership excellence, as a New Zealander I think there is much to be grateful for in how she is leading us through this crisis.

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Suze Wilson, Senior Lecturer, Executive Development, Massey University

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    floss
    10th Apr 2020
    9:42am
    She is a great P.M. not like the mob attempting to run ours.Ardern runs her country for all people not like Australia.Our P.M. seems more interested in looking after the big end of town.
    4b2
    10th Apr 2020
    10:00am
    Could not agree more Floss. Where was the leadership from slow mo during the bush fires. Even his deputy had no idea who was in charge. When the Corona Virus first came out he was still putting the economy before the people.

    Where was he when the Ruby Princess berthed in Sydney. Did he forget Johnny Howard's line "we decide who comes to this country and under what circumstances they come".

    Now he as taken a leaf out of the Johnny Howard play book on how to win votes by a terrible PM and a worse government.

    Leadership is about uniting people not dividing them.
    arbee
    10th Apr 2020
    12:50pm
    Thank god we don't have to put up with her, she shouldn't have even been in government in the first place anyway, but that's how the left do deals anyway, sell their souls to the devil just to get into power. Still Floss someone as bad as her would suit your left wing radical beliefs wouldn't they. As for you 4b2, whatever that means. You are by far in the minority of Australians in your opinions of Morrison, and how he has handled the crisis in Australia. By the way, didn't anyone tell you that your mob of drop kicks lost the unlosable election, and the way each way Albo is going will lose the next one by a damn sight more. Pathetic left wingers
    Tanker
    10th Apr 2020
    1:12pm
    arbee tour post of such political diatribe does you no credit and is not worthy at this time.
    Tanker
    10th Apr 2020
    1:12pm
    arbee tour post of such political diatribe does you no credit and is not worthy at this time.
    arbee
    10th Apr 2020
    1:16pm
    Tanker, it is only you left wing losers who are upset by it
    The Thinker
    10th Apr 2020
    1:52pm
    New Zealand can thank Winston Peters for choosing Ardern. She is a Prime Minister who cares for all New Zealanders and New Zealand.

    All of Australia's politicians care too much for their political party donations to worry about the country and people.

    This pandemic was spread by insatiable GREED with its decadent lifestyles.

    Cruiseships, overseas travel and parties amongst the greedy spreading their coronavirus everywhere with them.
    arbee
    10th Apr 2020
    3:01pm
    The Thinker I suggest you read Horace Copes comment below which makes a lot more sense than your rant does.
    Hoohoo
    10th Apr 2020
    3:49pm
    I totally agree Floss and 4b2. Ardern's approach is to include all New Zealanders and that's exactly why she won government, with the support of a minority right wing party. THAT'S what leadership looks like. She doesn't try to rule by dividing people - she effectively rules because she unites them.

    What a contrast to Australian politics over the last 10 years! We haven't had an effective leader during that time because party politics only has its eye on the polls, not policy. We have been governed by an oligarchy of big business, including people like Rupert Murdoch, Gina Rhinehart, Big Pharma and most recently, Clive Palmer. The influence of China is also a player, as is the USA, and Australia is but a pawn in the game of chess called globalism. It is Australia who has sold its soul and political leadership, all for these power players.
    Maggie
    11th Apr 2020
    5:32am
    Floss have you failed to notice the billions of dollars this government is handing to the other end of town? Of course there are some who have not benefited - nothing is perfect. Hopefully they too will get help.
    I am SO grateful for the $750 I have recently.
    And to those that criticise this govt, I would point out that they actually had the money to push out in this crisis.
    Of course they are borrowing heaps too, and that will have to be repaid.
    Hoohoo
    11th Apr 2020
    5:52pm
    And with interest rates at historical lows, now is a very sensible time for the government to borrow, to keep our economy afloat during what can only be called a Depression.

    Initially, I was very critical of the PM because it seemed he was playing the old game of point-scoring, instead of being a leader. Now he has dropped that childish agenda and we're seeing really good outcomes (I hope - only time will tell). I just pray that he keeps up this attitude, because he has done a total about-face, to his credit. And so now, finally we are seeing cooperation and bipartisanship in parliament, for the first time since Hawke's PMship. THIS is what they're paid to do, not the other childish rubbish that does not serve Australia or Australians.

    In times of real crisis, we have to be able to trust our leaders. Until now, I was full of mistrust. Now it's easier to be calm and feel reassured because they've stopped playing silly buggers. In truth, they HAD to, but it still took courage by the PM. Thank god he's shut down those ridiculous screechers from the far right wing. Something Turnbull never had the guts to do.
    Mondo
    12th Apr 2020
    2:23pm
    Well said Hoohoo.
    It will take some time for me to trust a PM whose first instinct is to put himself and his family before the country and to lie to the people to cover the government's lack of preparedness (eg masks don't work - only because they don't have enough of them for emergency workers for whom they do work; children don't get infected so keep the schools open to protect their grandparents while exposing their often mature aged teachers; 'stop the boats' only to allow the most deadly ever to disgorge its passengers in the middle of the biggest city and ten years of chanting 'debt and deficit' only to increase the debt and deficit by probably four fold without a murmur). But I agree he does appear to have done not only a 180 but has become a devout socialist which is frankly not my style but lets see how long that lasts, (we might even get some climate change policy before the extreme right whingers wake up again).
    Hoohoo
    12th Apr 2020
    5:41pm
    Yes Spartan, there has been a gag put on the far right wing politicians, although I don't watch Sky or Fox News. I heard them mentioned on Media Watch quite a lot at the beginning of COVID, calling it a Chinese hoax or whatever, just like Trump did. SOMEONE has obviously told them to shut tf up. Now they've been exposed for the idiots and fake news purveyors they are.

    It took something as serious as this to make them wake up to themselves. They are finally listening to the scientists re COVID. Next, start listening to climate scientists please.

    And don't worry, my jury isn't out yet - now we have to wait and see if they can walk the walk.
    mogo51
    10th Apr 2020
    10:26am
    Well l am one who disagrees about her, does nothing for me. Bit of a different situation, they have about 5mill over there, because the other half are here! We have 25mill plus and spread over a vast space, NZ is a pimple.
    DISCON
    10th Apr 2020
    10:38am
    I share your views - she is a very ordinary PM and lucky to be there with just 36% of vote - will probably be booted out at next election
    DISCON
    10th Apr 2020
    11:03am
    I just noticed where this article came from - the Conversation a left wing social rag that has hardly any readers - says everything really -
    littlehelenb
    10th Apr 2020
    11:41am
    Have to agree mogo51 her smugness and passive-aggressive nature is extremely irritating in the extreme - If fellow Aussies like her so much, move - bye bye
    arbee
    10th Apr 2020
    12:52pm
    Have to disagree with you on one point, they are not a pimple, more like a boil.
    The Thinker
    10th Apr 2020
    2:03pm
    All New Zealanders in Australia pay tax to keep Australia afloat and none take nor are allowed Australian welfare. That is racial discrimination in a country that claims to be nonracist.

    All Chinese in Australia are entitled to Australian welfare because they have purchased properties here. International students are requesting welfare too as well as visa workers.

    That all means New Zealanders working in Australia are paying for all in Australia on welfare. All money that Chinese earn in Australia goes to China and our wealthy Australians make great use of our legal tax avoidance loopholes. Loopholes created by our politicians for them to take advantage of too.
    arbee
    10th Apr 2020
    2:52pm
    The left wing loonies on these posts are a huge joke. They would love to have a socialist communist type government in power, so that they can take away everything from those who saved and invested wisely while working, whereas most of them blew their weekly wages at the pubs and by gambling the rest away, so they end up with nothing at retirement age. Then expect the government to look after them for the rest of their lives, what a bunch of leaches.
    Hoohoo
    10th Apr 2020
    4:06pm
    Sorry arbee, but you sound like a raving lunatic. Calm down mate - you might have a coronary. As soon as someone doesn't show themselves to be a hard right winger, you start shout "Communism!" "Communism this!" "Communism that!" For heaven's sake, open your mind to other possibilities. The world isn't black or white. It's childishness to believe any one ism with such narrow blinkers on. The world's not like that. Calm down - there's nothing to fear but fear itself.

    As an adult, I've always believed in social justice. I don't go to the pub and I've only ever gambled on the Melbourne Cup and the occasional scratchy. Stop catagorising everyone who doesn't agree with you into some imaginary strand of society that lives differently to you. Part of believing in social justice means that I'm happy to pay tax so that people around me who are less fortunate have access to services they need for a life with some dignity. Look at it this way; if they don't have access to services they need, they might rob me because I have a nice house and a nice car. Look at America - what a mess in a crisis!
    Mondo
    10th Apr 2020
    5:27pm
    Well mogo51 25 million spread over such a vast distance should make social distancing a cinch! If it doesn't then your argument of size is equally irrelevant. Recall we have one of the world's greatest penetrations of social medial, computers and communication equipment so what's your issue about size? We no longer need to send messengers on horseback. If the PM was believable, had the right strategy, was communicating clearly and concisely the message would get out but are you are suggesting it has not and isn't that the heart of the issue?
    Hoohoo
    11th Apr 2020
    6:05pm
    All good and relevant points, Spartan.

    The PM WAS hopeless initially, especially with mixed and crazy messages. But I've got to give him some credit now because he's done a total about-face. Borrowing money, paying extra to welfare recipients and protecting worker's jobs - these are all notions totally against the Liberal's agenda for the last 25 years or more.

    Hey Arbee, the PM sounds like a bloody Commie! We HAVE got "a socialist communist type government in power!" And it's led by a Lib! Morrison is smart enough to know that the economy needs a fair dinkum, real stimulus at this time. I just hope it's actually delivered in a timely fashion.
    Paddington
    10th Apr 2020
    10:35am
    She shows the importance of kindness and compassion fuelled with common sense. She is a model for world leaders. She has guts and self confidence, simply the best!
    DISCON
    10th Apr 2020
    10:40am
    No when I think of leadership I see President Donald Trump.
    Sundays
    10th Apr 2020
    12:43pm
    Trump! Not looking so flash at the moment
    arbee
    10th Apr 2020
    2:59pm
    I suggest you read Horace Copes comment below which makes a lot more sense than your rant does.
    Hoohoo
    10th Apr 2020
    4:10pm
    Trump is a chump. He knows how to make money for himself but that does not make him leadership material for a country. In fact, he's hopeless because he only wins by dividing people. You know he spends US$1 million per week on Facebook to buy influence? He's a selfish liar, through and through.
    Deborah advocating for an Australian as head of state
    10th Apr 2020
    10:51am
    to mogo51, yes there is a big difference in population size between NZ and Australia. It makes the problem just that bit more 'wicked'. However, this should not make a difference to how either PM should lead - good leaders are good leaders no matter the number of people that they are leading.
    The Sheriff
    10th Apr 2020
    10:53am
    Australia's land mass is far greater than that of NZ so decisions for the containment of COVID-19 such as national lockdowns and testings for the virus along with ensuring the health, economic and social welfare of our nation take proportionally greater research and forethought prior to their implementation. In this regard the overwhelming majority of the population endorse the actions of the Morrison government along with their State and Territory counterparts as is evidenced daily in the media.
    You have reiterated my point - that Australia has a different context and the problem is therefore more 'wicked' requiring 'greater research and forethought', as you say. I agree with the principles of leadership in the article. Has the PM, Scott Morrison displayed these as espoused?
    DISCON
    10th Apr 2020
    11:05am
    I remain a constitutional monarchist and when the next vote happens we will win again - so long as an opportunity exists for a Turnbull or Rudd to become an Australian Head of State then the system we currently is much better and safer.
    Tanker
    10th Apr 2020
    1:15pm
    It is amazing how some contributors launch into their favourite topic which bears no resemblance to the one in hand.
    While I agree with most of the measures put in place in Australia Morrison is not a good communicator as he leaves listeners wondering what exactly did he mean by various statements.
    Tanker
    10th Apr 2020
    1:15pm
    It is amazing how some contributors launch into their favourite topic which bears no resemblance to the one in hand.
    While I agree with most of the measures put in place in Australia Morrison is not a good communicator as he leaves listeners wondering what exactly did he mean by various statements.
    Teacher
    10th Apr 2020
    10:58am
    I don't think you can compare one country with another re leaders' response to COVID-19. There are different populations, idealisms, economics and value of lives to be considered. In the long run the penny drops with the populations as to how they obey their leaders' directions and laws. One Australian (or resident here) disobeying the present laws doesn't affect the government so much as the public (population) who are the ones who get sick.
    I just can't understand the mentality of some people spitting at others etc, but then we still have a lot of drunken and drugged, or mentally disturbed people in our community who have slipped through the cracks and we can't do much about that at this time except pray.
    Joyful56
    10th Apr 2020
    11:09am
    I just wish we had a leader of her calibre. Sadly we have this mod of clappers who have not only infiltrated our government, but virtually own it. She leads her country with sympathy and empathy and is a shining example of what a national leader should act like.
    arbee
    10th Apr 2020
    2:57pm
    I suggest you read Horace Copes comment below which makes a lot more sense than your rant does.
    Joyful56
    10th Apr 2020
    11:09am
    I just wish we had a leader of her calibre. Sadly we have this mod of clappers who have not only infiltrated our government, but virtually own it. She leads her country with sympathy and empathy and is a shining example of what a national leader should act like.
    yes, she displays qualities as per the article.
    Hoohoo
    11th Apr 2020
    6:10pm
    She is wonderful. And she delivers leadership with a dignity and calm that reassures her people. She's trustworthy and her people are proud of her. Such a contrast to USA's leader!
    Horace Cope
    10th Apr 2020
    11:34am
    The praise heaped on the NZ PM is from a New Zealander so full marks to her for being patriotic. Arden doesn't have the problem of states and territories getting in the way of any decisions or getting agreement on different decisions that have to be ratified by states and territories, each with their own separate laws.

    Our government is doing a great job because if you look at the number of deaths in England overnight, which was 881, Australia should have had about 400 deaths in the past 24 hours if we use the same measurement against deaths per head of population. Our PM has created an expert panel of medically trained people who are advising the government, he has brought together the leaders of each state and territory and , most importantly, he is listening to the experts and implementing policies recommended by them.

    Times are tough right at this time in our lives, people are getting sick, people are dying and thousands have lost their jobs. Our government is addressing both major problems, health and the economy, and most experts agree that our government is on the right track to get Australia and Australians back working sooner rather than later. Now is the time to be positive, not make political capital out of a disaster.
    Paddington
    10th Apr 2020
    9:22pm
    I think this present government is doing a good job because it would be their worst nightmare. No one would want to be in charge at this point in time. We could have been quicker and we could have prevented the boat debacle but, overall, it is getting better. Give credit to the states too as the premiers have also stepped up no matter their political alliances. The police out in force is great as well. All the front line health workers need applause too. Others are the food producers and ones getting the food into our homes. Now we are all one colour and that is Australian not green or blue or red, etc.
    Karen
    10th Apr 2020
    11:35am
    I think all politicians are over-rated - PMs are figureheads for the party.
    Triss
    10th Apr 2020
    12:14pm
    I have to agree with you, Karen. IMO the enforced restrictions we all have to live under whilst the politicians prance around practically unfettered borders on megalomania.
    ozirules
    11th Apr 2020
    3:36pm
    wow Triss, what would you have the pollies do, go into isolation and leave us all to our own devices. I think they would all like to be prancing about right now instead of battling through a myriad of problems which are presenting themselves daily in this life and death crisis. I dont usually have much time for pollies of either persuasion but I take my hat off to them at this time because they are doing their credible best in a job which none of them expected when elected. As for the enforced restrictions we have to live under, they are only enforced because some people are too selfish to take the simple advice of stay home. Yes it's tough for some but hey, in this world war we aren't being shot at, bombed or gassed, we just have to stay home and watch the telly. Lets all sprinkle a bit of concrete on our weeties and harden up.
    Covers
    10th Apr 2020
    11:59am
    Sorry but the article is nonsense. Aussie is 25m persons, has landmass that fits across the USA
    and is run by 7 States with their own legislative ability. No comparison available between the two nations. She is THE national leader who controls the various Councils within NZ. Let's not get carried away with the poor comparison - Morrison Govt has a mountain to climb - she runs up a small hill! Fart in a bottle as they say.
    Covers
    Mondo
    10th Apr 2020
    5:04pm
    Covers, leadership is followship and if the Premiers were convinced by the leadership of the PM as the NATIONAL LEADER they would surely follow his lead but as you correctly infer they don't. Clearly Morrison doesn't have the leadership skills to get even the LNP States to follow him. Interesting too that where they do differ, all the Premiers are heading rather more in the direction of the NZ PM who presumably they see as a more effective leader than Morrison. Of course it's only coincidence that the worst affected Australian State is an LNP State due largely to a monumental cock up of the combined LNP Federal and LNP State governments-working together on "border control".
    How ironical that the the PM whose mantras have only ever been 'stop the boats' 'debt and deficit' and 'jobs and growth has presided over possibly the most deadly boat landing in the past 230 years, the greatest debt and deficit the country has ever seen and the greatest loss of jobs and growth in living memory. Maybe if the LNP had adopted something closer to the NZ PM's approach of putting the health and welfare of the nation ahead of the economy and growth at all costs, we wouldn't have the deadly Ruby Princess fiasco, we wouldn't have record debt under an LNP government and the economy may have recovered earlier.
    Yes we are doing far better on the death rate than other countries like the UK and the USA (all with similar conservative governments) but as you and your fellow travellers have pointed out, population matters and Australia is only 25million against 67 million and 360 million respectively (and 51 States not seven) so no comparison as you point out. If you read media from around the world it is Jacinta Ardern and not Scott Morrison that is being praised as an effective leader. Yes Morrison has a high short term rating in his home of the 'handout nation' while he's handing out to all and sundry but when the handouts stop the reality will bite him and the whole nation.
    Mondo
    10th Apr 2020
    5:38pm
    Robo, so you're presumably another rusted on right winger who cant think independently. Yes Robo I started my life working on farms, worked my way up by studying hard, working hard and working smart, saved hard invested smart and am totally financial independent having never asked for a dollar from the government in my life, never even been in a Centrelink office. For my efforts I have my own farm and a factory, quite a capitalist in fact. How about you??????????
    Mondo
    10th Apr 2020
    5:45pm
    Sorry Rob, forgot to mention five years in the special forces, that of course would correspond with your suggestion I'd never worked a day in my life. If your judgement about me can be so wrong then maybe your judgement about so many other issues follows suit?
    Viking
    10th Apr 2020
    6:03pm
    Robo, I'd suggest the only reason you had to attack Spartan's character and work ethic in which you clearly showed your total ignorance is that you could find no argument to the facts in his post. Oh and before you attack me personally too, I am also totally financially independent have worked hard all my life, it's what the world Labor means. Incidentally, the L in LNP stands for liberal which means 'broad minded' not extreme right bigotry.
    Mondo
    10th Apr 2020
    6:16pm
    Robo, I've never voted Labor in my life nor been a public servant but I know what leadership is and the LNP has no leader, even his own party isn't united under him and even LNP Premiers don't agree with him so why should I? Sorry you to see you lack the ability to think independently but that will come with mental maturity.
    Viking
    10th Apr 2020
    6:46pm
    Robo, are you blind as well as stupid, just read my post above. Maybe you're just blind to the facts and truth.
    Viking
    10th Apr 2020
    9:32pm
    No Robo you're giving up because you can't argue against facts and reason. Let's hear your reasoned view of why your mob are so smart?
    Hoohoo
    11th Apr 2020
    6:20pm
    It's the same shit every time you repeat yourself, Robo. You should just open your eyes and admit defeat.

    Morrison has been the leader for some monumental stuff-ups but just lately, he's woken up to himself in some important areas, for now. I hope he stays with his socialist agenda while we are in this crisis - it's what the people and the country need right now.
    JoJozep
    10th Apr 2020
    12:43pm
    Any human who is passionate about her work, compassionate about her constituents and straight forward and honest, deserves to be high in everyone's esteem. Good on you Jacinda!
    Hoohoo
    11th Apr 2020
    6:23pm
    Did you hear that from Pie-in-the-Sky News, Robo?

    Can you imagine? A leader who represents everyone, including Muslims AND right wing bigots!
    JB
    10th Apr 2020
    12:46pm
    I think she is doing a great job and so is Scott Morrison under the circumstances. And that has nothing to do with who I vote for . They are all doing the best they can . But if anyone can do better off you go and do it
    Virginia
    10th Apr 2020
    1:09pm
    Gee I now know where all the toilet paper is
    In the homes of all the writers here
    Mob of w......
    Virginia
    10th Apr 2020
    1:09pm
    Gee I now know where all the toilet paper is
    In the homes of all the writers here
    Mob of w......
    Virginia
    10th Apr 2020
    1:09pm
    Gee I now know where all the toilet paper is
    In the homes of all the writers here
    Mob of w......
    JoJozep
    10th Apr 2020
    1:44pm
    Gee Virginia, seeing how repetitive your last comment was, I hope you don't run out of toilet paper. Coconut husks perhaps?
    KSS
    10th Apr 2020
    3:17pm
    Ms Ardern is probably thanking her lucky stars for COVID-19 because it will probably save her Prime Ministership.

    She was on very shakey ground immediately beforehand which is why we had the ridiculous situation with Ms Ardern demanding Australia stop exporting NZ criminals back to NZ! She was playing to the NZ electorate.

    On the back of the Christchurch killings and now COVID-19, she may have a chance to retain her job.
    JB
    10th Apr 2020
    4:11pm
    Lol I think we are commenting because we are bored at the moment . At end of day no one cares what we think or say ha ha ha . And our opinion means zilch
    JoJozep
    10th Apr 2020
    5:16pm
    Who the heck (being polite) are you ROBO? Before you accuse people like me of bias and direct personal insults, I say go and do what you deserve to yourself.

    You idiot, you cannot accuse people of being commies, liking Muslims or waiting for welfare cheques without any proof, and when the opposite is the truth.

    I call you an idiot because you have no clue as to how to carry on a debate. You debate the subject matter, not the opponent. You must and I emphasize must, state the reasons the subject matter is positive thinking or negative and then it's up to an opposing view to counter the arguments. If you don't understand what I'm saying stop wasting my time answering your lies and drivel.

    In one short paragraph, you insulted Muslims, me and the welfare system. All I said was Jacinda Ardern deserved to be admired for her courage, honesty and brilliant leadership. I suggest you go and educate yourself!
    Better still, stop insulting people on this forum.
    Viking
    10th Apr 2020
    8:24pm
    That's very strange Robo, you see you accused me and Spartan of being Communist but you debated us in your rather simplistic abusive way. You seem to demonstrate the same muddled incosistency as your claimed leader. Let's look at your argument about right whingers being so smart in a simplistic way that would match your mentality. LabourNZ has far fewer per capita deaths than conservative Australia; left leaning Canada has far fewer per capita deaths than either far right America or reckless conservative Boris Johnson's UK who is so smart with his herd immunity theory that he ended up in intensive care, the only world leader to do so and his health minister and senior health advisor all ended up with the virus. Of course then we have communist China with nearly four times the population of the far right USA with only a fraction of the deaths,
    If you had the brains and intelligence to debate peoples arguments you wouldn't need to attack them personally which seems to be your only tactic. It is of course reminiscent of the usual LNP defence whenever their policies are questioned, they attack Labor. With the mess the LNP has created they won't be able to do that again for a long time so they will be defenceless. Incidentally, if being referred to as a communist differentiates me from your type of low mentality I am happy to wear that.
    Hoohoo
    11th Apr 2020
    6:30pm
    I've reported you for that comment, Robo.

    You went too far, too abusive and too illogical.
    Viking
    14th Apr 2020
    1:59pm
    Hoohoo, it looks like the site has been disinfected, cleaned up, sanitised, the 'vile virus' has been removed, it would be nice to think eliminated from this site for good.
    Hoohoo
    15th Apr 2020
    12:36am
    You're right, Viking, Robo's pedophile comment tipped him out, but now our replies make us look like shadow boxers!

    A farming friend gave me a home-made recipe for an effective hand sanitizer (and cheap if you grow your own aloe vera):

    - 70% methylated spirits (a bit more than 2 cups)
    - 30% aloe vera juice/gel (1 cup)
    - 15 drops of 100% pure tea tree oil.
    disillusioned
    10th Apr 2020
    5:27pm
    Can we swap please? Pretty please?? Pretty please with bows on it???
    JoJozep
    10th Apr 2020
    5:57pm
    Yes Robo, you did get me going. At least I admit it. Now think deeply about what you are accusing me off. If I called you a waste of time, would I be correct? Of course not because I have little proof. But you persist in calling me a commie, a Muslim hater and welfare dependent and I presume you mean welfare cheat. You state these derogatory and insulting statements to goad me into reacting?

    Sorry, but you know the truth is different and truth hurts your cause (whatever that might be) and ego. I repeat, if you can't get a proper education, it's not my fault, plus your indignation when you know your situation is dire is alarming. So alarming as to raise my curiosity as to your motives.

    People of your ilk surprisingly, do raise my curiosity. You have either super high IQ (and I have misjudged this) or you are a bumbling moron. I would like to know your motives and which category you fit. By the way, have you got three or more post names, because you raise similar questions to three or more other post persons.
    Crazy Horse
    11th Apr 2020
    1:25am
    My plan is for Australia to declare war on New Zealand then surrender immediately on the condition that New Zealand annexes Australia. Then Jacinda would be our PM.
    wendan31
    11th Apr 2020
    1:52am
    Would any of you people, Floss, 4b2, Tanker, and Hoohoo know where to start on the fixing of the bushfires and Coronavirus, these things are HISTORY in the making and NEVER and is doing an excellent job, whereas Arden doesn't want to look after her people who have been making money from this Country, she want's Australia to look after them at Australia's expense, they are New Zealanders, they have been living in this Country for years and years but have never aligned to this Country, if they don't want to be Australian, send them home.
    Hoohoo
    11th Apr 2020
    6:33pm
    ??? "...and NEVER and is doing an excellent job".

    What on earth does it mean, wendan31?
    Maggie
    11th Apr 2020
    8:29pm
    Actually some of them have wanted to have Australian citizenship for years our govt has only allowed them to apply recently - time goes too fast for me but I think within the last 4 years.
    wendan31
    11th Apr 2020
    1:58am
    The Thinker, how on earth can you call Australia racial, these New Zealanders come here and take our money from their work place, OK they have earned their money but they are NOT Australian's so why should they soak up our welfare, if they need welfare, GO HOME to New Zealand, let Arden look after them, they are her people. And yes I certainly agree about her smugness and arrogance.
    Maggie
    11th Apr 2020
    5:20am
    That Ardern is a great leader was established and recognised by the whole world in the way she handled that horrendous terrorist attack, by an Australian to our shame.
    The article was about leadership, with recognised qualities of a good leader, but has gone way off course as generally happens.
    I have met some of the New Zealanders who live here and grumble about unfair treatment. Have they forgotten that it was their choice to come here - they can go home if Australia is so tough on them.
    Maggie
    11th Apr 2020
    5:20am
    That Ardern is a great leader was established and recognised by the whole world in the way she handled that horrendous terrorist attack, by an Australian to our shame.
    The article was about leadership, with recognised qualities of a good leader, but has gone way off course as generally happens.
    I have met some of the New Zealanders who live here and grumble about unfair treatment. Have they forgotten that it was their choice to come here - they can go home if Australia is so tough on them.
    Maggie
    11th Apr 2020
    5:20am
    That Ardern is a great leader was established and recognised by the whole world in the way she handled that horrendous terrorist attack, by an Australian to our shame.
    The article was about leadership, with recognised qualities of a good leader, but has gone way off course as generally happens.
    I have met some of the New Zealanders who live here and grumble about unfair treatment. Have they forgotten that it was their choice to come here - they can go home if Australia is so tough on them.
    Maggie
    11th Apr 2020
    5:20am
    That Ardern is a great leader was established and recognised by the whole world in the way she handled that horrendous terrorist attack, by an Australian to our shame.
    The article was about leadership, with recognised qualities of a good leader, but has gone way off course as generally happens.
    I have met some of the New Zealanders who live here and grumble about unfair treatment. Have they forgotten that it was their choice to come here - they can go home if Australia is so tough on them.
    Maggie
    11th Apr 2020
    5:37am
    Littlehelenb, could you explain what passive aggression means.
    DINGOPOO
    11th Apr 2020
    8:32am
    To Arbee, this is the most sensible comment I have seen on these pages for a long long time. You are correct in saying this forum and, others have been hijacked by the left and, other bleeting socialist sheep.
    Geminiwoman
    11th Apr 2020
    10:25am
    I just love Jacinta Adern. She is the epitome of what a great Prime Minister should be. She loves her Country and its people and is always on deck to help when help is needed and has great empathy for her people. How I wish we had someone like that in our parliament.
    Geminiwoman
    11th Apr 2020
    10:25am
    I just love Jacinta Adern. She is the epitome of what a great Prime Minister should be. She loves her Country and its people and is always on deck to help when help is needed and has great empathy for her people. How I wish we had someone like that in our parliament.
    DISCON
    11th Apr 2020
    9:11pm
    when I reflect on great PMs or leaders I think of Churchill, Menzies, FDR, JFK, Reagan and Thatcher - Adern is no where near this group.
    Andrew hastie is hopefully the next leader in waiting for LNP - may well be next Menzies
    Chris B T
    11th Apr 2020
    11:44am
    Wasn't the NZ government told the Ruby Princess to piss off and Australians to go Home.
    Then complain about NZlanders on visa and such be excluded from our Stimulus Packages.
    To me all non citizens should have returned to country of Origin as the same as Australians were.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2020
    3:13pm
    Having seen some of the incoherent, abusive and vile posts on YLC by people purporting to be Liberal supporters its hardly surprising that so many describe themselves as non LNP supporters. If these are typical who would want to support a party that relies on such low life?
    DISCON
    11th Apr 2020
    9:15pm
    Well 7 of the past federal elections have been won by coalition ( should have been 8 except for Windsor and Oakshotte) - Also is making no inroads into ScoMo so will likely be 8 out of 10. The majority of middle Australia just cannot cop labor
    Mondo
    12th Apr 2020
    1:09pm
    You're right at last DISCON, Australians like living under this LNP Socialist government - all the while it continues to give handouts while they stay at home and don't have to work. But just wait until the music stops and it all has to be paid for.
    Mondo
    11th Apr 2020
    4:07pm
    To those of you going on about socialists, we already live in a socialist nation. The government spends far more on social security than any other issue, we pay people not to work, not to save for their retirement, not to take personal responsibility for themselves so we are a socialist nation. ScoMo with his massive handouts, free childcare and subsidising of companies and jobs is taking us more into socialism than Labor ever did and Dutton with his email, phone and text surveillance, face recognition cameras and now secret court trials is taking us further into communism; he probably envies China with their extreme controls. The fact that ScoMo's poularity has risen to over 60% since his massive handouts shows that the majority of people actually like socialism.
    DISCON
    11th Apr 2020
    9:17pm
    Ik now Peter Dutton and your comments are repugnant and repulsive and just plain wrong
    Mondo
    12th Apr 2020
    12:48pm
    I make no apology for offending anyone who chooses to associate with someone who secretly and systematically conspires to curtail the freedoms of people living in a so called democracy. (It’s actually an auctionocracy where political favours go to the highest party fund bidders). A society that creates unspecified external enemies and threats and then spends $billions of public money on defending us against those threats but jails anyone who identifies holes in the defences or raids the home of a journalist who reveals attempts by a minister to secretly change the law to further encroach on our freedoms and spy on the people. A minister who can justify spending $30 million of public money to incarcerate a family of four on Christmas Island that was peacefully participating in community life; takes part in a government that invades other countries in unjustified, unwinnable wars with no exit strategy and then fails to accept responsibility for the refugees it creates and locks them up for six years or more for seeking refuge while allowing in illegally entering au-pairs of mates or fast tracks visas for jockeys for party fund donors. If you are offended by criticism of these practices then I suggest you toughen up princess.
    Hoohoo
    12th Apr 2020
    6:02pm
    No-one wants totalitarianism, whether it be communism or fascism. It doesn't matter what name we call it, but as Spartan explains with examples above, this is dystopian totalitarianism.
    - secretly and systematically conspires to curtail the freedoms of people living in a so called democracy.
    - A society that creates unspecified external enemies and threats and then spends $billions of public money on defending us against those threats but jails anyone who identifies holes in the defences or raids the home of a journalist who reveals attempts by a minister to secretly change the law to further encroach on our freedoms and spy on the people.
    - A minister who can justify spending $30 million of public money to incarcerate a family of four on Christmas Island that was peacefully participating in community life;
    - takes part in a government that invades other countries in unjustified, unwinnable wars with no exit strategy and then fails to accept responsibility for the refugees it creates and locks them up for six years or more for seeking refuge while allowing in illegally entering au-pairs of mates or fast tracks visas for jockeys for party fund donors.
    Cautious
    11th Apr 2020
    7:23pm
    Certainly admire Jacinta Adern but shouldn't you be more careful? I was just listening to a comparison of Australian COV19 statistics versus New Zealand's and Australia's per capita is better despite Ruby Princess. You describe Jacinta as a master class so what acolade do you risk for Morrison?
    Viking
    11th Apr 2020
    8:04pm
    Cautious, I'm not sure where you get your data or how you do your maths but NZ has as of today two covid virus 19 deaths, Australia 56. NZ has a population of 5,812,989 or 22.86% of Australia's 25,428,659. 2 deaths divided by 22.86 multiplied by 100 = an Australian equivalent of 8.75 deaths.or 15.6% of Australia's current deaths. New Zealand would need 12.8 deaths to be equal to Australia's current total deaths . I'd be happy for my calculations to be corrected but if they are correct what accolade would you give Morrison now?
    Cautious
    12th Apr 2020
    1:27pm
    Don't blame me viking.
    I believe everything I see on Chanel Seven at around 5 pm in the afternoon. I was willing to accept the numbers because of how much crap channel seven put on Morrison. Are you tell me chanel seven has fake news too?
    Cautious
    12th Apr 2020
    1:35pm
    Viking why don't you research what Chanel seven meant, I am sure you will get to the bottom of it..
    My wife hates Morrison's guts more than anyone and to her credit didn't believe it either but one thing she sticks to is that at times like these you don't make decisions based on hating someones guts.
    Viking
    12th Apr 2020
    11:35pm
    Cautious, I don't watch channel 7 news but really if you perpetuate 'information' which is incorrect without checking it you take some responsibility too. I follow independent news sources such as Das Erste TV ( Germany) BBC, ABC Aus and USA, PBS and various Scandinavian TV channels all which I check with reliable online sources. Research and statistics were part of my career and are now just an interest.
    Has it changed your opinion now you know NZ has lower per capita deaths than Australia which I must admit is doing well compared to many other countries despite its 'L plated' PM. He'll soon be on his Ps.
    Migrant
    11th Apr 2020
    11:52pm
    I think that most correspondents have missed the point that N Z is governable because it is unicameral. One House of Parliament with the power residing in which ever party can form govt by claiming the majority of seats, albeit with some strange alliances ,
    In Australia the States can sabotage the Federal Govt decisions, eg NSW allows a cruise ship to dock and allow passengers ashore, despite a Federal ban, or the Federal Govt allows golf under stage 3 , but Victoria bans golf under stage 3. From the sublime to the rdiculous.!
    Surely if this is a “war situation” we need a war cabinet, from which will emerge a leader like Chifley or Menzies, and unified laws and regulations. Maybe this is the the chance for Australia to Rewrite the constitution and amalgamate The States, into one australia.
    Migrant
    Mondo
    12th Apr 2020
    1:23pm
    Migrant, you may have a point but leadership is followship in a unified, agreed manner and if even Premiers of his own party won't follow the PM's lead then his leadership is questionable. You can't lead by shouting and bullying people, they need to see logic and consistency in the direction and importantly the leader does so by example, not going on an overseas holiday in a national emergency or delaying the implementation of health rules so he can go to the footy. Many good leaders draw from a lifetime of diverse experiences, after a shallow life our PM has had two so lets hope he will learn from them.
    Hoohoo
    15th Apr 2020
    1:04am
    I would very much like to see State Govts disbanded and stop all the huge admin wastage and double-handling we see in education, health and law. Stop the waste of time of COAG argy-bargy buck-passing, which has actually happened at the moment in this COVID crisis - they're calling it a "National Cabinet" where their focus is on the well being of Australia, regardless of party and factional lines. GST revenue for everybody! Stop the BS of States having to fund government schools while the Federal government funds private schools - what a joke and disaster THAT policy had become! It has white-anted all the good Gonski reforms of "needs-based" funding.

    We might then see a higher quality of candidates on local Councils, which can only be a good thing.
    JoJozep
    12th Apr 2020
    8:58am
    Time to reflect! All please note: the person we are referring to as new Zealand's PM is named JACINDA ARDERN not 3 or four other alternatives mentioned in this post. It's not political correctness, it's grammatical correctness when stating the truth!

    Happy Easter!
    Maggie
    12th Apr 2020
    8:47pm
    Time to knock this on the head I reckon. It has degenerated into nasty personal mud-slinging.

    This is a useful and interesting newsletter which would be so much nicer if we could behave courteously and try to stick a bit closer to the topic.
    Hoohoo
    15th Apr 2020
    1:09am
    The nasty Robo was removed after I reported him for his pedophile insult. Maybe I should have reported him days earlier and it wouldn't have descended into such nastiness.

    It seems some people just go nuts when a woman is praised for her superior leadership. It turns their world upside down.
    Viking
    15th Apr 2020
    10:03am
    Thanks Hoohoo I did the same. I think the delay was because of the Easter break.
    JAID
    15th Apr 2020
    6:55pm
    It is a strange twist on reality you put apparently for didactic reasons. For extents and purposes Australia and New Zealand locked down at the same time. This was well down the track and by that time everybody I knew had already contemplated the need to do so days or weeks before. Whether you hold a simpering press conference or simply bring down emergency rule then most already understood the need. While the health people could usefully give guidance as to the do's and don'ts and while as knowledge grows changes can be made there was no need at the time for politicking.

    If you see it some other way then ask yourself what an uproar there would be if these controls were not appreciated. By the time NZ and Aus brought commenced these control measures the uproar would related to non-action rather than the action.

    This is a matter of looking for heroes. Look where good deeds are made in the face of easier choices. Not where necessity is beaten into some sought of display of political righteousness.
    JAID
    15th Apr 2020
    7:00pm
    Slightly OT but just also look at the effort our gutter TV is making to build the notion that people should feel put out by these controls. Mooning looks asking how long can one take it, eliciting the programming joy of self-pity. 5 minutes of that on last night was enough for me. Just sick.
    JoJozep
    16th Apr 2020
    10:28am
    Sorry Jaid.

    I was unable to follow what your post was about! Is it today's standard of English Punctuation considered unnecessary? If in a statement, or question, basic punctuation is deleted, then people like me cannot follow the sense intended. I'll try and correct the following example of a sentence and rewrite it how I think it might or should have read. Quote;-

    "If you see it some other way then ask yourself what an uproar there would be if these controls were not appreciated. By the time NZ and Aus brought commenced these control measures the uproar would related to non-action rather than the action." I read as:-

    "If you see it some other way, then ask yourself, "what an uproar there would be if these controls where not instigated." By the time New Zealand and Australia commenced these control measures, the uproar would relate to non action rather than action taken."
    JAID
    16th Apr 2020
    5:37pm
    You have properly interpreted the paragraph, JoJozep.

    It does not follow some new standard.

    Apart from the quotation marks, extra words also found their way into the paragraph leaving legibility unlikely. Perhaps this is the result of some forgotten change of mind and/or editing but certainly it indicates a failure to proof-read before posting.

    That paragraph was not alone in creating difficulty either.

    Thanks


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