26th Jul 2018
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Here’s who may get access to your private health record
Author: Olga Galacho
Professor Kerryn Phelps

Two of Australia’s most prominent doctors have pitted themselves against each other in the debate raging over the merits and risks of online medical databank My Health Record.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten is calling for the databank’s rollout to be suspended until privacy concerns are addressed and two authoritative sources have contradicted the claim by Health Minister Greg Hunt that police would need a court order to access patients’ medical information.

Australian Medical Association (AMA) president Dr Tony Bartone is a strong supporter of the Federal Government’s databank, which will be used to record and share personal medical treatments received by Australians.

But former AMA president and vocal patient advocate Professor Kerryn Phelps has condemned the way My Health Record will be allowed to be accessed by third parties outside the medical profession and other government agencies.

My Health Records are linked to a patient’s MyGov account, which stores personal information from interaction with Centrelink, Medicare and the Australian Taxation Office (ATO).

The legislative framework for My Health Record permits use or disclosure of medical details for use by the police and the ATO if deemed “reasonably necessary”.

In an opinion piece, Prof. Phelps wrote: “Excuse me? What could ‘protection of public revenue’ possibly have to do with enhancing the healthcare of an individual, or protecting public health? Rhetorical question I know, but to avoid any confusion, the answer is: nothing.”

However, in a different opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald, Dr Bartone wrote that the benefits of the databank far outweigh the risks.

“The electronic record will also go a long way to addressing the intractable problem of delayed or non-existent handovers of admitted patients to their GPs on discharge. It will reduce medical harm due to polypharmacy, which is a big issue.

“The electronic record can save lives … We must push ahead with this My Health Record,” he says.

But Prof. Phelps remains unconvinced, citing potential adverse effects on healthcare.

She has called on the AMA and the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners (RACGP) to “qualify their support for My Health Record and demand that the legislation be amended so that disclosure of personal health information be confined to healthcare practitioners with the patient’s permission only, and for the patient’s benefit only”.

While patients can block certain parties from seeing their data with an access code, that code can be overridden if you are involved in a medical emergency that requires life-saving treatment.

Legal experts have also warned that individuals could be coerced to hand over their codes to potential employers and insurance companies, in future.

Soon after scrambling to ‘delink’ certain digital apps from My Health Record earlier this week following public concerns, Health Minister Hunt was in hot water again.

Companies such as Telstra, HealthEngine, Tyde and Healthi already have access to My Health Record information such as Medicare records, test results, scans and prescriptions, for their app users to view on mobile phones. On Tuesday, the Government rushed through new restrictions on the apps.

Soon after, Mr Hunt said that police could only access personal medical histories with a court order. But yesterday, Nigel Brew, the director of foreign affairs, defence and security, said that under Section 70 of the My Health Records Act 2012 the Australian Digital Health Agency (ADHA) can disclose health information when it “reasonably believes” it is necessary to investigate or prosecute a crime, to counter “seriously improper conduct” or to “protect the public revenue”.

“It is reasonable to assume that this might include investigations into potential fraud and other financial offences involving agencies such as Centrelink, Medicare or the Australian Tax Office,” Mr Brew told The Guardian.

Mr Brew said Mr Hunt’s claims that records could only be accessed with a court order “seem at odds with the legislation, which only requires a reasonable belief that disclosure of a person’s data is reasonably necessary” to investigate or prosecute a crime.

The My Health Record legislation therefore “represents a significant reduction in the legal threshold for the release of private medical information to law enforcement”, according to Mr Brew.

The Queensland police union also confirmed yesterday that its members did not need a warrant to access individuals’ My Health Record data.

People have until 15 October to opt out of having their medical information stored on My Health Record.

Will you be opting out of My Health Record? Or will you trust that the Government puts privacy measures in place? Do you think the databank's roll-out should be suspended?

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    pedro the swift
    26th Jul 2018
    11:38am
    Opting out! These records should only be between doc and patient records. Next will be lawyers/clients records.
    The gov has more than enough data on us. Note that EVERYONE who undertakes ANY sort of training with a RTO is required to have a Unique student number. That means ALL people in Aus will be tagged when the next lot of school students enter school. AUS CARD by stealth.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    11:39am
    Yep and pretty soon every government agency will have access to every record of everything you've ever done or been involved in..... and we all know where that leads.

    NO!!
    Rae
    26th Jul 2018
    12:34pm
    They won't TREBOR because every government agency is just about in private hands already anyway. We soon won't need government at all.
    Sceptic
    26th Jul 2018
    2:47pm
    So you are opting out of Medicare and having a driving licence, and private health insurance and Facebook and Snapchat and the myriad of other things online that have information about you?
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    3:22pm
    Even worse, Rae - every Gauleiter or special appointee of the incumbent government will be in full control of all your information, and they will treat it as a marketable commodity as if by some form of right, and there will be no comeback from the individual regardless of the use to which it is put.

    I can envisage future potential employers having full access to every tiny thing about an applicant, including continuity of work etc and periods forced onto social security (unemployment pension) and making value judgements based on that kind of information.

    I can also envisage some in the future being 'profiled' and deemed to be 'useless mouths' or 'enemies of the state' or 'anti-social elements' - and gulaged accordingly.

    NO!
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    5:47pm
    Sceptic, if Medicare had all our medical records then surely they wouldn't have needed to spend $2 Billion setting up this scheme.
    I am sure Medicare has a very good record which helps them form statistical assumptions etc.
    It was never put on an online website where other family members can view it and it was never available to 900 000 medical staff and Law enforcement.
    Also we apply for a Medicare card and we could choose not to receive the benefits of government reimbursement.
    We do not lose or share any intimate personal information if we have a drivers licence.
    Similarly, no one opted us in to Facebook or Snapchat and we can choose who has access to our uploads and what we upload.
    Never, have I given any of the above deflection items mentioned here my medical information.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    5:51pm
    TREBOR. I love to be gulaged!! Your last paragraph is spot on. We seem to be observed in all we do these days. I do not trust any Government. Australia is part of the NWO programme and Libs/Lab/Greens are assisting in its develpment by accumulating as much information as possible on its citizens to satisfy the new "Regime". Far fetched I do not think so. Lambs to the slaughter sprongs to mind.
    GrayComputing
    27th Jul 2018
    7:08pm
    There are no 100% secure computer systems, period.
    Anybody who says otherwise are liars or just pig ignorant living in la-la land
    Even the NSA got hacked into from outside the USA.
    100's of millions of our credit cards some with our privacy details are for sale of the black web.
    Every Australian government computer has known and future unknown flaws in both the Intel and AMD chips and their Cisco routers. There are no proven secure OS software Operating systems.
    So I am opting out of this totally insecure scheme .So should everybody else
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    11:57am
    Please sign:
    https://www.change.org/p/greg-hunt-mp-make-my-health-record-opt-in?recruiter=39806711&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial..&utm_term=384258

    I wish the general population knew what was actually happening here. It is not about helping the patients or the doctors. Its about saving the government money in the form of human resources - (people's jobs).

    There is an acceptable error rate as far as the government is concerned. It is 10% for Centrelink. Can anyone guess the NBN error rate and the last Census I can only imagine ended up being closer to a survey than a census.

    However this time the error rate will cause deaths. What is the acceptable error rate for that?

    A database of this size is only as safe as the people using it.

    Children and teenagers will have no say in their right to opt out. Parents will be "pinged" on their phone when their child goes to the doctor.

    Any Law enforcement agency can access the data without a warrant.

    We didn't sign a privacy agreement for the government to acquire our data.

    Any child/teenagers record will be view-able on the My gov site by their parents.

    Any parent carer of the elderly will have access to medical records without necessarily producing a medical power of attorney - they just need the elder person's wallet.

    Any person who lives in a submissive or dominant relationship will have no privacy from the partners access to the site.

    It is a massive breach of Civil rights and Privacy law. Most people don't realise what is happening. Even the Minister Greg Hunt who said on ABC that both parents would have access to their child's information was wrong. They will only have access to half the information. That in itself will lead to an error in ALL children in a dissolved family relationship.

    What needs to be done:

    Every Australian citizen needs an individual medicare card not linked by family.

    Every Australian needs to be informed of the benefits and concerns of the opt in and opt out scenario similar to promoting a constitution amendment by MAIL.

    Only those people who OPT in should be on the database.

    No individual other than the relevant doctor should have access to any of their records unless they go to the doctor and retrieve their own files.

    Only the relevant information pertaining to the current medical procedure should be allowed to be shared between specialist and GP.

    Doctors should not have been receiving payments for loading personal patient records onto the government database.

    Individuals should not have been required to give their drivers licence, date of birth and medicare number on an online site to OPT OUT. Especially when the people wishing to opt out are concerned about their privacy.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    3:38pm
    Thanks very much for the information. I have signed the petition and also opted out even taking into account the last paragraph of your comment.
    Triss
    26th Jul 2018
    4:52pm
    I've signed, Rosret, let's hope government takes notice of the backlash.
    MaxG
    27th Jul 2018
    11:03am
    Great Post!
    Done both, signed petition and opted out.

    The problem sits far deeper; we are a society understanding less and less about how the world works, and only realise the trouble we are in when it is too late. E.g. how the neoliberals sytematically disamantle government, privatise public assets, increase pension age, reduce services, and provide tax cuts to the rich further weakening the social structure...
    musicveg
    27th Jul 2018
    2:06pm
    Yes MaxG all part of the big plan worldwide by the elite, but the next generation is already fighting it, ie; bitcoin etc will see that banks will become obsolete.

    26th Jul 2018
    12:10pm
    I cant for the life of me see what the problem is? Many readers of this item will be in similar circumstances to myself (and wife), in that from time to time we will be on the road, in one way or another, as part of the touring circus known as the grey nomads. I feel comforted that if I take ill in outback Qld or WA for example, my medical records will be available to health practitioners in those remote areas, thereby improving the chances I will receive appropriate treatment and/or attention. Only an idiot would say this is not a good thing. Then again, I was in support of the Australia Card all those years ago - with the rorts of so many of our systems that have ultimately transpired, who could now argue that it's introduction wouldn't have been a bad thing. People like Kerryn Phelps are very good at opposing, for the sake of it. Time to get a life, Kerryn!
    Theo1943
    26th Jul 2018
    12:20pm
    Me too, Big Al. I would prefer that every person working in the medical field has instant aces to what I'm taking and that I've already had my appendix out, had measles, my flu shot, my smallpox, cholera and tetanus. I also don't care if ASIO wants to look at this info. It would amuse me to see someone at the Federal Police poring over my immunisation records. Does anyone think they really care.

    But, how do I opt out of the ATO database?
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    12:50pm
    Big Al you are welcome to opt in. The system has merit. It is what you want.

    However, should you come from a culture where women are not permitted to see the doctor for a raft of reasons, or where a teenager needs help with personal adolescent issues do they not have the right to anonymity?

    Why should husband and wives have access to each other or their children's records. You maybe happily married and you share everything, that's fine.

    However, so many people don't even know this is happening. So many people do not live in that perfect grey nomad world. Surely they have the right to know. Most I speak to have no idea this is happening.

    No child/teenager has any rights whatsoever for life plus 30 years. If their parents don't opt them out they are in for life.
    This is a quantum shift in Civil Liberty and Privacy Laws.

    You should be very concerned. There will be errors, there will be security and data theft and there will be a mass data collection and collation of data, there will be legislation and links to law enforcement that may very well affect you in car accident. It will get leaked to insurance agencies and employment databases. 900 000 medical staff will have access to this data and it only takes one to be bribed into parting with an access code.

    Its not all milk and honey. This is incredibly serious stuff.
    Hitler killed all the patients in mental homes. It may be 70 years since the last despot in our European culture but like all tidal waves - they return.
    MICK
    26th Jul 2018
    12:54pm
    Go for it Big Al. You and the other government posters working the website. You are welcome to it.
    KSS
    26th Jul 2018
    12:57pm
    Consider these examples Theo1943:

    Someone who used drugs in their youth went to their doctor and got help. Got off the drugs and turned their life around. They apply for a new job and that employer decides to check their medical records......

    Someone who had been treated for mental health issues in the distant past is bullied and harassed at work to such an extent they need an extended period off work on sickness benefit as a result. They make a claim against workers compensation insurance. The insurer goes digging in their records and rejects a claim on the grounds they had a pre-existing condition unrelated to to the current workplace.

    You apply for travel insurance to cover an upcoming trip overseas. You have no major illnesses or conditions and a recent health check came back all clear. You pay for the insurance and off you go on your trip. near the end of the trip, you have an 'episode' that lands you in hospital. The hospital report mentions that test show a narrowed artery that may have contributed to your condition but they give you the all clear to fly home. You pay the bill and then make a claim on your insurance. Even though you have not been diagnosed with heart disease, the insurance company check your records and rejects your claim. There is no evidence of ever having been treated for narrowed arteries in your records. However, you did a DNA blood test some years ago which showed you have a genetic tendency for heart disease. Enough grounds to reject your claim!

    Think these examples are too far fetched to be relevant? Just watch this space.

    In theory a centralised repository for medical records sounds good. I agree. However, the issue is the security of those records and who has access to it now and into the future. As it is, any sticky beak who works in the health sector could access records, along with third party applicants and you have no say in the matter. For that reason, I opted out on the first day.

    Recent issues with medicare records being published on the DoH website, medicare cards being sold on the dark web, the collapse of the same UK system implemented by the same person implementing the Australian version, and the hacking of the Singapore system and the consequent left of 1.5million health records including the Prime Minister's should all give cause for concern. And just for good measure the Head of the AMA who is such a strong backer of myhealth system does not even have a record even though he has had 6 years to 'opt in'.
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    1:05pm
    Theo I certain hope they don't use the My Health record as their information base before an appendix operation.
    I am not sure if you have had an operation but a blood check is done in advance and so are all the obs. First hand information is the only accurate information. Medical information needs to be accurate and up to date.

    It isn't ASIO that you need to be concerned about. The link to Law enforcement will be your medical drug list and your drivers licence. I think we all know that just because medication is prescribed doesn't mean we are necessarily taking it.

    Re ATO you can ask for a paper version for income tax submission. Although they do know what's in all your bank accounts and shares. Oddly enough the banking sector is a whole lot more accurate with our money than the medical profession are with our data.

    You see the bank knows what is in our account not how we have spent what we have taken out.
    The doctor knows what he prescribed but not what we did with our bodies since the last visit. In actuality we are the human bank account and only we have an accurate record of what has transpired. So the doctor's data is only a guide not a truth.
    Can you see the difference?
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    1:15pm
    Yes, MICK I think that's exactly who they are - so they are listening.

    For myself, this matters little - for the nation - this is an abuse of power.

    IT personnel who are clever but not smart. I guess ethics 101 at Uni wasn't quite enough.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    3:24pm
    Fine lads - as long as it's only medical persons you give permission to or who may accept responsibility in an emergency when you are unable to give (gasps) meaningful consent.... (kicks self for use of buzzword with other connotations)...
    MaxG
    27th Jul 2018
    11:08am
    A lot of people do not see a problem; you do not know what you do not know. Fascism is on the rise, so are oppressive and totalitarian governments; see what happens in the US? Trump; hollowing out one public institution after another; Hitler's Germany started out with 'marking' Jews and the mentally ill, the dissidents, and opposition. Australia is on its way there too. You can be held without charge, you protest about some sad chickens and you get arrested as eco terrorist. You next employer will it make a condition of employment to share your health record. You don't think so?! Wait until you apply for life insurance. And the list goes on.
    musicveg
    27th Jul 2018
    2:09pm
    I agree MaxG, people will say we are being alarmist, but the younger generation are already on to it. It is crazy how the world is going backwards especially in a humanitarian way.
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    12:33pm
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-24/digital-health-agency-changes-my-health-record-app-contracts/10026644

    Just reading this article has made me aware how easily the rules and agreements are changed. How do we know that it won't all change again. Will every individual be sent a new privacy agreement every time there is an update - given they didn't sign one in the first place? It appears to only offer an indemnity against My health record not the aggrieved patient whose data has been accessed without their permission.
    MICK
    26th Jul 2018
    12:56pm
    It is wrong that we can be put into this without asking. I repeat my assertion that we are seeing the formation of Australia's first dictatorship run by wealthy Australian and their businesses.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    3:28pm
    I have to agree, Mick.
    *Loloften*
    1st Aug 2018
    1:39am
    As per "1984" book...just a few decades late. Agree Mick.
    Rae
    26th Jul 2018
    12:33pm
    Who can access it?

    Any good hacker or anyone who can find a seller with access. Within a privatised system the Government has a poor record of regulation. Leaving it up to the market to regulate means it's fair game. I don't care anymore. It's all a crock anyway.

    I was stunned to read the NSW Government has even sold off it's disability management arm just when the money starts to flow.

    The whole country has been overcome by foreign infiltration of Government and Legislation. Even those caught breaking the Constitution haven't bee charged or gaoled.
    MICK
    26th Jul 2018
    12:58pm
    Farming out management of data, especially banking details and the like, should NEVER be to places like India. The writing is on the wall and it'll only be a matter of time until bank account numbers are sold off. That'll be interesting!
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    1:07pm
    It doesn't even need to be hacked.
    It just needs to be stolen at the client user interface as per the Singapore sting on the weekend.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    3:31pm
    It's nothing for a not so honest copper to access that DNA base I mentioned - despite the safeguards, they can just ring up a mate they drink with who they've 'cultivated', or a girlfriend they've cultivated .. and just ask.. it's for the better good etc.... after all - they're all on the side of the angels, right?

    Anyone who trusts a government agency in this day and age with any privileged information is a fool.
    MICK
    26th Jul 2018
    12:53pm
    When I read that Greg Hunt gave an assurance I burst into uproarious laughter. Hunt is the liar who stated "we have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax"......which was shown for the blatant lie it was after Abbott was put into office. After that who could believe a word this member of the lying government said. Clearly the physician in the article telegraphed this in other words.
    The only possible benefit for being in this next database is if you have a chronic condition. For the rest of us IT HAS NO PURPOSE. Certainly the possibility of my data being for sale is not on.
    I'm opting out. Good luck for those who believe the government is to be trusted. One might think the last 6 years made that one clear.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    3:32pm
    When I just read about your reading about Hunt's assurance, I burst into laughter.... that';s how much I regard their 'assurances'....
    Therese
    26th Jul 2018
    1:30pm
    I have opted out. I wanted to opt out via the website. I received an message. So I rang the phone number given and cancelled my account. However, speaking with this young man on the phone he was saying, yes I have an account I asked him where does this information go to now that I have opted out. He tells me it is now parked in the Archive. Did you know that we cannot ask that thebfile in the archive to be also deleted. So it is hidden and can be resurrected by the govenment whenever they want.
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    1:43pm
    That's right. If you are in you are in for life. You probably didn't even know you opted in.

    Not only that, you went on the website and gave your medicare number, date of birth, and drivers licence. It didn't work so you phoned and they now have your phone number as well. Unbelievable.

    I would like to know why the records can't be deleted.

    You will need to keep checking each time you visit the doctor to make sure it stays hidden.
    Rosret
    26th Jul 2018
    2:15pm
    Sorry, that should read life plus 30 years. This means they fully intend to link it to family genetics, environment etc.

    This is absolutely the most significant shift in power, loss of freedom and privacy in a democratic society in modern history.

    - and to think Mark Zuckerberg had to face a tribunal over Facebook on selling data. My Health record is in a league of its own.
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    3:35pm
    I'll say it again - I'm prepared to bet they already include you even if you opt out...

    Some years back I was taken to hospital with chest pain and the doctor there asked about a street I'd lived in when I was under five years of age - a street that has since had its name changed..... so they already had records going back that far.... pity they weren't so good with their military medical records that they digitalised..... causing more than one Digger to not get full pension rights....
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    3:36pm
    Oh - I was also born with a different name then, too...... funny that... that was supposed to be privileged information..... now it doesn't matter....
    Old Geezer
    26th Jul 2018
    2:22pm
    I wont opt out because it doesn't give me the opportunity to delete everything they put on it. If I opt out then I wont know if it exists or not as I can't access it. So I'm staying in so I can control wants on it and not someone else.
    Puglet
    26th Jul 2018
    3:13pm
    Good point OG! Don’t forget they keep your data for 30 years after your death. Every medico, psychologist, social worker, dentist, hospital staff member pharmacist and probably police will be able to login. The govt will never control who accesses/uses/sells our info. And if mine is to be sold I want a cut of the profit.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    4:19pm
    From my understanding the My Health Record will be linked to MyGov, so if you have opted out then it should not appear in MyGov. If it does then take action to have it removed.
    Maggie
    27th Jul 2018
    10:45am
    I am pretty certain that we cannot even access everything in our medical records, having read something to that effect recently.

    Doctors and nurses can hide a lot of information from us which I think just stinks, since I cannot imagine what sort of information or comments are invisible to us.

    If you choose to ask a hospital for your records you will get exactly what they think is good for you to know!
    Sceptic
    26th Jul 2018
    2:51pm
    So predictable from Mick. "Government trolls posting."
    Knows-a-lot
    26th Jul 2018
    4:46pm
    He's right.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2018
    5:48pm
    what else do you expect from our labor micky/tremor?
    TREBOR
    26th Jul 2018
    6:44pm
    Grow up, heemie....
    Ted Wards
    26th Jul 2018
    3:33pm
    Dont go to the doctors then or have any tests...end of story!
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    5:53pm
    Just die instead, yeah!!
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    3:44pm
    More Government snooping. Never trust the Government they will sell you down the river given the chance. Already Government agencies have so much information on individuals this is not necessary. Their motives are questionable to say the least. I have opted out.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    4:13pm
    We no longer have a private life. It is becoming like an open book for all to see. Does anyone read the privacy clauses that seem to be thrown at us virtualy every day. Don't think so. Wherever you leave a footprint somebody will use it.
    Knows-a-lot
    26th Jul 2018
    4:36pm
    Shorten's call is the wisest. Anything to do with this incompetent, bungling Lieberal government will inevitably be a screw-up of colossal proportions.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    4:39pm
    But even greater (proportions) under any Labor Government. Libs/Lab are virtually indistinguishable in policy. Vying for the accolade of the worst is all they worry about,
    Knows-a-lot
    26th Jul 2018
    4:47pm
    Well the Libs win in that department.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    6:53pm
    Then as soon as a Labor Government is in power then it will be targeted in the same way. As I have said on many occasions they are of the same mould. Nothing will ever change for the better of this country and its people when either is in power.
    Kathleen
    27th Jul 2018
    11:36am
    niemakawa, who would you choose apart from the two main ones. I hope not Pauline Hanson as she is racist and unintelligent. Greens are another option or independents? I guess it is down to values and policies.
    musicveg
    27th Jul 2018
    2:11pm
    There are many independants but you need to check out their motives and policies, also Sustainable Australia is looking good. But also consider who your preference votes go to or vote under the line.
    Noodles
    28th Jul 2018
    1:59pm
    Look at the track records of Independents...no, I will not waste my voted on an Independent.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    5:43pm
    Not only suspended but withdrawn completely.
    Foxy
    26th Jul 2018
    5:58pm
    Was under the impression Australia was a Democracy? Will end up like lil' "Kimmy" - (Rocket Man) soon !!
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    6:31pm
    Show's how wrong one can be. "Democracy is an illusion, an illusion of choice"
    MaxG
    27th Jul 2018
    11:13am
    Democracy is a pipe dream; Western democracies are dying; with the US leading the way, as Trump hollows out public institutions; in Australia we keep privatising public assets, publicising cost and privatising profits; anyone voting for the LNP demonstrates a lack of understanding how a social society and democracy works; welcome to capitalism, the antichrist of a social and just world. Why? Money talks, which has nothing to do with democracy.
    musicveg
    27th Jul 2018
    2:14pm
    Yes MaxG money does talk, I just read about Gina Reinhart donating millions to a so called 'charity' that is actually a climate denier so she can protect her own interests in stealing the resources from all Australians.
    musicveg
    26th Jul 2018
    7:41pm
    I already opted out. What makes it suspicious is that we have to opt out. Makes you wonder why they did not ask if we wanted to be a opted in? One of the most un-democratic things this Government has done. And yes not happy with my records going into an archive.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    7:59pm
    The Government is well aware of the apathy and complacency that exists in the public phsyche, leading to the opt-out option only. Most people will be enlisted.
    KSS
    26th Jul 2018
    9:39pm
    Its been going for 6 years already as an opt in process. Problem was not enough GPs did so now the onus is on the patient to opt out.
    niemakawa
    26th Jul 2018
    9:59pm
    KSS . So what you are saying is that if a patient does not opt-out then the GP's will by law have to transfer a patient's medical records to the MY HEALTH RECORDS which will be linked to MyGov.
    Suze
    27th Jul 2018
    10:36am
    musicveg
    I too have opted out .... it terrifies me as to what Labor will do with it when they get into power.
    Kathleen
    27th Jul 2018
    11:40am
    It seems people make up what they want to believe or imagine what will happen in the future without any knowledge or a crystal ball.
    musicveg
    27th Jul 2018
    2:15pm
    Kathleen who are you saying is making up things? I am not taking any chances and I prefer to believe in the top IT experts who say it is not safe.
    Seenitall
    26th Jul 2018
    9:31pm
    As has been pointed out on a previous thread on this topic the uploaded health record information will need to be re-entered to change it into a form where the really important stuff can be quickly accessed by a doctor in an critical situation. A junior doctor at 2 am in the emergency department won't have time to troll through reams of largely irrelevant data as he or she is watching the lights go out on the patient in front of them. It is only this type of important information presented in an easily accessible form the needs to go on the central data base and the patient and the GP should complete the health history together which would be the time when the patient can decide whether the more sensitive stuff like details of drug addiction or depression should be included. What does the Govt. want all this extra information for? We are turning into a Gilead without the religious fundamentalism.
    Jim
    26th Jul 2018
    9:49pm
    I am a bit suspicious about this post, has YLC got an agenda here, I have received 5 posts in my in box regarding this issue all from YLC what’s going on guy’s???
    Kato
    26th Jul 2018
    10:05pm
    You can't believe there assurances when they break them themselves. For instance a certain minister when in charge of the Human Services Portfolio obtained confidential and private information against a client who disagreed with him and like a vexatious vindictive schoolboy gave her medical history amongst other stuff to a TV channel who to my disgust aired it.
    Why I was disgusted I don't know as they are beyond any sense of decency .
    SO NO you cannot trust it or them any side of politics Including the so called Independents.
    Jim
    26th Jul 2018
    10:06pm
    Like most posters I have some concern regarding the use of any information that is relevant to myself, I will admit I opted in originally and will probably leave it that way. Every time you go to the doctors nowadays everything is already on the doctors computer and since any computer can be hacked there is nothing to stop the hackers from hacking your information and selling it to any interested party, it would have to be worthwhile for someone to go to the bother of hacking people’s medical history I’m pretty sure mine wouldn’t be worth the trouble, but nevertheless I can still see why some might be concerned, but again I’m not sure how safe our information is anyone.
    GrayComputing
    27th Jul 2018
    7:06pm
    There are no 100% secure computer systems, period.
    Anybody who says otherwise are liars or just pig ignorant living in la-la land
    Even the NSA got hacked into from outside the USA.
    100's of millions of our credit cards some with our privacy details are for sale of the black web.
    Every Australian government computer has known and future unknown flaws in both the Intel and AMD chips and their Cisco routers. There are no proven secure OS software Operating systems.
    So I am opting out of this totally insecure scheme .So should everybody else
    KB
    28th Jul 2018
    3:45pm
    I opted out due to privacy concerns.Nothing to hide. Medical records should be between GPs and the patient. In SA a digital system was tried and the computers packed up so medical staff had to revert to handwritten notes
    MiningMagnet
    29th Jul 2018
    4:02pm
    Anyone who thinks their private information is not available for retail purposes across the planet is not watching what is happening.
    Some years ago there was quite some outrage when we had to un-tick boxes when installing software to prevent loading and installing unwanted challenges to our privacy.
    Interesting to see that our elected officials - still smarting from their demonstrated ineptitude in the Census debacle - have decided that census by stealth is the simplest way to go.
    This is fantastic
    Given that the last govt to provide their population with 'a loving oversight' of the type discussed here, was a small, but well -financed and rapidly growing party of German Nationalists in the mid to late 1930's - we are well advised to remain suspicious of their motives.
    "I'm from the Govt and I'm here to help ..." remains one of the most alarming phrases in the language - of pretty much any country as far as I can tell
    I see this as no different
    Opt out now and see where it rolls - there will always be a time to sell what remains of our souls later

    cheers
    Hairy
    30th Jul 2018
    9:41am
    Yes most definately opting out .comes down to trust.can you trust goverment hahaha,really ?? NFW
    Hairy
    30th Jul 2018
    9:42am
    PS these bastards would sell there grandmothers
    *Loloften*
    1st Aug 2018
    1:28am
    Finally got ard to "Opting Out" 3 days ago only to receive an e-mail saying I was already opted out....?? Then rec'd another e-mail day after I "opted out" in confirmation, one rec'd prior. Would like to know who Opted me Out prior. Will investigate, wondering. If someone can "opt out" another (me in this instance, without my permission), how safe is this scheme?


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