Friday Flash Poll: Should ‘Denticare’ become an election issue?

Calls for a universal dental care scheme have strengthened, but is it an election issue for you?

Friday Flash Poll: Should ‘Denticare’ become an election issue?

Calls for the introduction of a ‘Denticare’ program have strengthened this week, after the announcement of the Greens’ plan to introduce a Medicare-style universal insurance scheme for dental care.

The Greens $5.8 billion election policy was also backed by a Grattan Institute report that says the scheme could be funded, in part, by increasing the Medicare Levy.

According to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, the cost of dental services is frequently reported as a barrier for older people accessing services. In 2013, 29 per cent of people aged 65 and over whose annual household income was below $30,000 reported avoiding or delaying dentist visits, compared with just 14 per cent of people whose household income was $60,000–$90,000.

Also, 32 per cent of people aged 65 and over who had no insurance cover for dental services reported avoiding seeing a dentist. Among people with insurance, the proportion was half of this (15 per cent). Overall, 51 per cent of older people with their own teeth, and one-quarter of older people with false teeth, had insurance cover for dental services in 2013.

Other research found that about a third of the Australian population is eligible for public dental services but there is only a capacity to provide care for about 20 per cent of those who are eligible.

Publicly-funded dental care is currently targeted towards low-income earners, with age pensioners and unemployed people eligible for services at minimal or no cost to the patient. However, public dental clinics offer limited services and long wait times often lead to poorer outcomes for people

The Grattan Institute proposes that the Government take over funding of services for those already eligible for dental care, by fully funding public dental schemes then expanding to enable private sector providers to deliver publicly funded care.

This would initially apply to the most vulnerable – age pensioners and other welfare recipients and low-income earners – then expand to the rest of the population.

“In the first instance you would start by changing the way public dental services are funded,” said report author Dr Stephen Duckett.

“Then you expand it to private dental services.

“What is staggering when you think about it, is that policy about the mouth is distinct from policy about every other aspect of the body.”

Leanne Wells from the Consumers Health Forum of Australia (CHFA) agrees.

“Dental care should be part of Medicare just as the mouth is an inseparable part of the body,” said Ms Wells.

“In a 21st century healthcare system, people should not be in a position where they are putting their dental healthcare needs last.”

Greens leader Dr Richard Di Natale admonished the Coalition for not supporting Medicare and has called on Labor to join the Greens in getting a universal dental care program off the ground.

According to our own research, fixing Health and Medicare is the second biggest election issue for older Australians. The Greens’ policy certainly seems to address this demographic. Would you be inclined to vote for a party that places a high priority on fixing Medicare and promises to introduce a universally funded dental care scheme?

Why not tell us what you think about a universal dental care scheme in our Friday Flash Poll?

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    tisme
    22nd Mar 2019
    10:21am
    daughter needs fillings and a root canal she will have to wait till next year, I need a cracked tooth and a root canal who knows when issue is also I have tmj so false teeth is not recommended but I may not have a choice
    Dave R
    22nd Mar 2019
    10:27am
    Try attending your nearest university dental teaching clinic.
    They do all types of treatment either free or low cost depending on your circumstances.
    jackie
    22nd Mar 2019
    1:06pm
    tisme...I am very happy with my dentures
    Dave R
    22nd Mar 2019
    10:24am
    I have never understood why dental treatment was never covered under Medicare.
    tisme
    22nd Mar 2019
    10:25am
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that's why
    jackie
    22nd Mar 2019
    1:03pm
    Dave R ....So many Australians going to Thailand getting their teeth done on the cheap as well as all sorts of other surgeries. Their doctors and dentists are all excellent and their hospitals are so much cleaner than ours.

    Australian dentists charge too much and it's hard to find one that can treat teeth without trying to rip you off with their poor quality materials.
    Play Fairly
    22nd Mar 2019
    5:43pm
    Yes, I can't understand this either....EVERY OTHER part of our anatomy is understood to form part of our "whole package" ...why not our teeth? Many medical problems can occur as a result of problems originating in the mouth. Our teeth and gums can also be affected by disease, infection, abscesses, etc., just like in other areas of the body. Regular dental check ups should pick up problems and allow treatment before things become worse and a tooth is lost. A Dentist can also pick up first signs of more serious disease like mouth cancers.

    We were given teeth to chew our food and aid digestion. How can Medicare exclude coverage for treating and fixing issues located in the mouth ?
    Sen.Cit.90
    22nd Mar 2019
    11:08am
    Years ago I would have voted yes to the Dentist being an addition to Medicare.
    These days as an oldie, I get very good service from my local Dentist Clinic. Prior to this, I received an allowance from the Gov't. This allowance was stopped by the previous ALP Gov't
    hyacinth
    22nd Mar 2019
    11:53am
    I will vote for the party that puts Health (including dental care ) at the top of the list .Too many people are missing out on treatment that they should be receiving and many of these people have paid taxes for years also medical insurance and because of age and
    circumstances changing, are now no longer able to afford private cover.
    hyacinth
    22nd Mar 2019
    11:53am
    I will vote for the party that puts Health (including dental care ) at the top of the list .Too many people are missing out on treatment that they should be receiving and many of these people have paid taxes for years also medical insurance and because of age and
    circumstances changing, are now no longer able to afford private cover.
    Crikey
    22nd Mar 2019
    12:12pm
    Nobody yet has drawn attention to the exorbitant fees charged by private dentists - far dearer than medical doctors. Perhaps if monitored more closely, we would not be considering "denticare"?
    Triss
    22nd Mar 2019
    12:37pm
    Dead right, Crikey.
    Boomah52
    22nd Mar 2019
    1:38pm
    Psychiatrists only need a good couch... no wonder this club is so hard to get into lol.
    Boomah52
    22nd Mar 2019
    1:38pm
    Psychiatrists only need a good couch... no wonder this club is so hard to get into lol.
    Flipsout
    22nd Mar 2019
    2:12pm
    Where is the money going to come from. Our system is broken now and adding this will only make it worse. Labor will introduce another levy/tax for the poor PAYE worker and the Greens are a joke. They want to spend and cover everything but offer nothing as to how this and other schemes will be covered.
    MITZY
    22nd Mar 2019
    2:50pm
    The money should come from the multi-nationals and big companies and people who manage to arrange their finances in certain ways so they pay little or no tax. The current taxation laws need a complete overall.
    I read an article the other day indicating that the largest number of taxpayers are the PAYE workers, collectively, they pay more than the ones I've listed here.
    Nothing ever seems to change decade after decade. These people we elect are good at the rhetoric and disastrous implementing it once they sit at their comfortable desks.
    So many, myself included, paid into health insurance - it was just like paying other insurances a long time ago such as your car and your house. However, in the past 20-3- years costs have risen and risen more and a lot of the prices we pay are exorbitant and based on "greed". These days on a single age pension and the rising costs of "everything" my pension doesn't allow me to have health insurance.
    We have all been shouting out for dental care to be included in Medicare or a separate dental scheme altogether for at least the past three decades - maybe we should get out on the streets with a placard or two with our photos with closed tight mouths because we can't "smile" these days. We all fill in surveys about all sorts of "likes" or "don't likes" but never hear if they have been passed on to government.
    KSS
    22nd Mar 2019
    3:02pm
    Oh Mitzy here we are again saying the multinationals and by implication the 'rich' should pay. Have you stopped to add up all the things this group 'should pay for' everytime someone wants something? Rise in pensions? Make them pay. More Medicare rebates? Make them pay. More rent assistance? Make them pay. Lower electricity costs? Make them pay. On and on it goes. Adding dental care to the list just makes the list longer. Nothing more.
    Paddington
    22nd Mar 2019
    4:45pm
    KSS,
    Well they probably won’t have to worry as they seem to be experts at paying no tax. Even Australian companies are on the list of tax avoiders.
    Mitzy,
    You are so right and it is so unfair that the little person keeps propping up the country as far as tax is concerned. It seems to have always been the way.
    Whoever is able to bring fairness to the money thing will have to be a magician for sure but we can keep hoping.
    Anonymous
    22nd Mar 2019
    6:41pm
    Well if Labor is elected, it will be struggling retirees who saved paying all the bills and then they will be forced onto the pension and there will be no savings, but Labor will have spent all the savings they wrongly calculated they would achieve and we'll be in deep doodoo.
    KSS
    22nd Mar 2019
    2:54pm
    Yes it should be included in Medicare like all other body parts. Why is the mouth any different?
    But it is not an election issue. There are far more important issues that need sorting out for all Australians. Not everything can be or should be spruiked as an election issue.
    bandy
    22nd Mar 2019
    3:13pm
    OK if you have a detal medicare system & no private health insurance would you be put on a waiting list!!!!
    Paddington
    26th Mar 2019
    8:46pm
    Good point, bandy, that could make it like what is happening now. All the dentists would have to come onboard as well. How well it would be set up is the key to its success.
    Aussie
    22nd Mar 2019
    3:19pm
    I just did a root canal in Thailand and cost me $420 including medicines and a full final filling after 2 weeks after the surgery to be sure is all OK before inserting the final filling ..... wowowo so cheap and all good no infection ...just perfect ????? How much will you pay for this service in Australia ???? $1,000 - $2,000 - $3,000 - or more ???
    KSS
    22nd Mar 2019
    7:20pm
    And don't forget to add the flights and accommodation costs. All very well if you live there but if not then you must include these other 'out of pocket' costs to make a fair comparison.
    Aussie
    23rd Mar 2019
    7:03am
    Ok KSS you are correct so lets add a few things ...

    Hotel (1 Room 2 people) average $1,200 on any 4 star and maybe a 5 star in Phuket
    Food average = $1,500
    Plane average = $1,500 (Air Asia for 2, Return - one stop in Kuala Lumpur)
    Others extras maybe about $1,000

    Ok this will total = $4,300 plus the Doctor bill of about $420
    All this will cost = $4,720

    Now this is for 2 weeks on a resort style hotel and need to consider that you also have a holiday while waiting for two weeks for the final filling.

    I stay with my daughter on a 3 start hotel for 3 weeks and had a great holiday and cost me about $4,000 dollars all included with the Root canal and two extra fillings.

    I do agreed with you that there is extra cost for accommodation, food etc etc ... but all deepens what hotel you get, where you eat and how you move around (I use public transport - Bus, Train is cheaper).

    But if you go to the Sheraton or Hilton well yes may cost you a lot more money.

    But overall will be a lot cheaper to do dental work in Thailand and in my case is all good no problems at all - Of course I did a research to find the proper dentist because they are some shonky ones for sure.

    Hotels...
    https://www.hotels.com/search.do?resolved-location=CITY%3A1308721%3AUNKNOWN%3AUNKNOWN&f-amid=2048,128,527&f-price-currency-code=AUD&f-price-multiplier=1&f-price-max=270&f-star-rating=5,4&destination-id=1308721&q-destination=Phuket,%20Thailand&q-check-in=2019-03-24&q-check-out=2019-04-07&q-rooms=1&q-room-0-adults=2&q-room-0-children=0&sort-order=PRICE

    Air Asia
    https://www.airasia.com/booking/select/en/gb/SYD/HKT/2019-03-24/2019-04-07/1/0/0/R/N/AUD/SC

    Also here are some basic cost in Sydney ... note that the basic price do not include the filling or crown that is extra cost ....
    http://www.chatswoodcbddental.com.au/2017/02/18/root-canal-cost/
    jackie
    23rd Mar 2019
    12:12pm
    Aussie....You can get return flights for less and Abnb one bedroom brand new appartments with cooking facilities for less than $40AUD a night.
    Aussie
    23rd Mar 2019
    6:13pm
    Yes Jackie you are correct .... I just showing a 4 and 5 middle to high range start but yes you can go that cheap and the places are clean and good ...also in food you can get so cheap that is a joke ....
    GeorgeM
    24th Mar 2019
    1:46pm
    Hey Aussie, here's a free consultancy suggestion - maybe you can set up a business consultancy service for Thailand and offer Resort-type vacations plus Dental work as combined packages to be sold here! If you also get Insurance Guarantee for Quality of results, hey this will be a great business! Now, why didn't anyone else, including our moronic Aussie Billionaires such as Packer think about such a business. Maybe you can start it.....! And become a Billionaire - no more Centrelink to deal with!
    Aussie
    24th Mar 2019
    5:56pm
    Hey GeorgeM ... not a bad idea I have done my root canal and today after ove a month is all ok no infections or any problems ....well I think about your Idea and if I do it I will organise a 1 week free holidays in Thailand for you ..... all paid Airfare and accommodation and all you have to cover will be food and any other extras you may want to have.

    Deal ??? GeorgeM ??? .... is a promise
    GeorgeM
    25th Mar 2019
    12:17pm
    Great, Aussie, that's a good deal! I have been thinking of a holiday trip over there...
    OL
    22nd Mar 2019
    4:12pm
    It is amazing how the separation of dental care from other medical services had been so entrenched in our society psyche. It is as old as the red and white spiral banner in front of old barber shops.
    All who have a voice in the national health debate should be bending over backwards in educating our political representatives that the welfare of the individual and the country starts each time we put something in our mouths. The functions of our body rely totally on how we prepare our food in the mouth before it is ingested. If the tools of trade are not working properly in the mouth, then we are all potential contributors to the enormous medical services bill that this nation carries.
    Gone are the days when dentistry work is to be feared. This is an education that needs to be introduced with all initial consultations that come with a basic dental care program. The costs of dental care would come down as the government pick up the tap.
    Why, because medical visits would be reduced due to better health as a result of better chewing and healthy food eating practices.
    musicveg
    23rd Mar 2019
    7:07pm
    I was thinking the same thing, saves me writing it.
    4b2
    22nd Mar 2019
    4:16pm
    If the Libs stopped mucking around with Medicare and forcing private health insurance on the public we would all be better off.

    Return to Medibank and include dental.
    Paddington
    22nd Mar 2019
    5:05pm
    Oral health is just as important as other health needs and should be included. If the teeth are neglected it can impact on the body in other ways as well so should be part and parcel of Medicare. With so many people avoiding the dentist due to financial concerns it stands to reason that it should be included. It could operate like the chemist does with partial contribution from the user. Check ups, cleans and xrays could be the free component for everyone then some government funding for fillings and extractions based on income. The Cosmetic dental and dearer optional choices should not be covered at all.
    People could then drop their private cover for dental or have it just for cosmetic dental and elective choices that are unnecessary. Implants come to mind which are super expensive and not affordable by low income people. Dentures could be partially covered though as people cannot walk around or eat with no teeth.
    jackie
    23rd Mar 2019
    12:14pm
    Paddington...Oral health is important and most people don't start with prevention. They are too lazy to brush and floss twice a day. I instilled this with my children and they are over 40 with perfect teeth.
    Paddington
    23rd Mar 2019
    3:47pm
    Jackie, if they go for a check up they will be shown how to brush their teeth, also how to clean between their teeth which will save money in the long run. When the dental mob visited the schools years ago the children were taught this and then took the information home. One of ours showed us what she had been taught. Prevention sure is important.

    22nd Mar 2019
    5:56pm
    Dentists have been gouging the public forever. Bring on Denticare! There's no chance the Lieberals will do it, so if you want it vote for Labor and the Greens.
    Anonymous
    22nd Mar 2019
    6:43pm
    I'm very much in favour of the idea, but I would NOT risk voting for the moronic Greens or the feed-the-rich-man-crucify-battlers lying hypocritical Laborites.
    Paddington
    22nd Mar 2019
    7:50pm
    Yes Knows-a-lot, this time it is imperative and pretty much a certainty that Labor/Greens will get in as people are very much over the LNP debacle on so many levels. I don’t mind the NSW premier but she will be punished due to LNP federal mob. There is no need to rubbish any of them though as OAW has done because we have to start to follow the lead of the NZ PM and practise kindness to all. When we don’t, hate creeps in and it is like a carbuncle that festers and lashes out indiscriminately as we saw recently. Policies not candidates from now on and I like the policies of Labor/Greens.
    Anonymous
    23rd Mar 2019
    6:03pm
    So you like the HATE ATTACK on people who NEED fair taxation to live because they don't get anything from the taxpayer? Good on you Paddington the Hypocrite. Apparently hate and cruelty is just fine as long it BY your stinking Labor liars and against hard working Australians.
    Paddington
    24th Mar 2019
    12:34am
    OlderandWiser, lovely words from you. I won’t join you on that level. I hope you have a nice day and find something to be joyful about.
    Anonymous
    24th Mar 2019
    7:44am
    I have plenty to be joyful about, Paddington. But I am disgusted at the hate campaign your stinking Labor mates have instigated against honest, hard working Australians. Yet they scream 'no hate' messages everywhere. So hypocritical!

    We must love refugees and Muslims and gays and transvestites. etc., but it's okay to hate anyone who worked in Australia for 50 years and paid taxes and saved enough to not be taking from the taxpayer in retirement - okay to hate them, abuse them, rob them, condemn them, blame them for everything that's wrong in the country, spread lies about them, and condemn them to financial hardship that they battled for 50 years to avoid... just don't make the hate about race, religion or political affiliation. (Oh, whoops. Okay to hate for political affiliation if they happen to appear to support the right. And okay to hate if they support traditional marriage. And okay to hate and scream 'racist' if they want immigration reduced.)

    I'll bet very few have any idea about the NZ shooter's politics. Most are calling him a right wing extremist, racist, fascist, or Muslim hater. WRONG!

    Sadly, the powers that be know only too well that the right wingers are apathetic and very anti-violence. Safe to attack them because they won't respond except by holding organised inquiries and making a few press releases that the thieving hating left will brand 'corruption' or 'illegal'.
    gerry
    23rd Mar 2019
    8:35am
    I saved up all my life to pay for my health
    I object to fat lazy citizens who expect things they have never paid for
    I don't waddle out of a taxi at the mall with my 10 kids and 2000 dollars a week in my hand obtained from child support,free housing ,free doctor etc etc. and waddle into Makkers to order 11 whoppers while the kids are running around JB HiFI picking out cellphones and films to watch .The majority of people say I paid my taxes ,,yes for roads .schools,health,hospitals BUT NOT FOR THEIR PENSION Do the sums ,to get 2000aud a week needs the interest from millions of dollars...Let their teeth fall out while they sip beer,soft drinks and let them live in cars like the US .Russia,and now Italy Greece France where pensions are being reduced...In the next election there are going to be schools and hospitals on every street corner ,,,wheres the money coming from to brush their teeth by nurses and wipe their behinds for them..I know families with 3 generations of dole bludgers ,bring back conscription NB I am not a rich person,just fed up with what I observe
    gerry
    23rd Mar 2019
    8:35am
    I saved up all my life to pay for my health
    I object to fat lazy citizens who expect things they have never paid for
    I don't waddle out of a taxi at the mall with my 10 kids and 2000 dollars a week in my hand obtained from child support,free housing ,free doctor etc etc. and waddle into Makkers to order 11 whoppers while the kids are running around JB HiFI picking out cellphones and films to watch .The majority of people say I paid my taxes ,,yes for roads .schools,health,hospitals BUT NOT FOR THEIR PENSION Do the sums ,to get 2000aud a week needs the interest from millions of dollars...Let their teeth fall out while they sip beer,soft drinks and let them live in cars like the US .Russia,and now Italy Greece France where pensions are being reduced...In the next election there are going to be schools and hospitals on every street corner ,,,wheres the money coming from to brush their teeth by nurses and wipe their behinds for them..I know families with 3 generations of dole bludgers ,bring back conscription NB I am not a rich person,just fed up with what I observe
    80 plus
    23rd Mar 2019
    10:16am
    In countries with out a social service, USA,ASIA,AFRICA etc crime is rampant, is this what you want in Australia? also how big is the taxi?
    jackie
    23rd Mar 2019
    12:22pm
    80 plus....Crime is becoming rampant in Australia because the cost of living is skyrocketing. All thanks to the greedy rich. They are too mean to pay fair wages and avoid paying taxes because they can never have enough money.
    Everywhere the filthy rich exist is poverty, crime, and squalor.
    Paddington
    23rd Mar 2019
    5:06pm
    Fairer equals safer. Desperate people do desperate things. Apart from this reason, a fairer society makes a happier one. Why should people exist when they can live if things are fairer. By closing the gap even a bit would make a big difference. By providing basic dental services to everyone is a start to creating a fairer society.
    And the big one, have everyone pay taxes, 15% flat rate with no deductions with the threshold starting at $50,000. That way no companies or individuals could use loopholes. Dissolve all loopholes.
    gerry, you can’t see the poverty in homes and schools. You see a slice of life only.
    Anonymous
    23rd Mar 2019
    6:11pm
    I agree, Jackie, but my worry is the number who are fooled by Labor's lies and planning to vote for a party that wants to give more to the rich and grind more people into hardship. It's mind boggling that people can't investigate the FACTS and see what Labor is planning to do. They will destroy the lives of over 1 million retirees, reduce superannuation savings of millions of workers, but not take one cent from the wealthy! The more a retiree has over $1.6 million, the more benefit they continue to take from the taxpayer under Labor. Rich part pensioners continue to rort and get huge handouts. Bugger the battlers. Once upon a time, Labor actually cared about the working class. Now they are more elitist than the LNP.
    80 plus
    23rd Mar 2019
    10:11am
    why sign your 26 march post "OlderandWiser"? Old you may be but your posts lack wisdom.
    Anonymous
    23rd Mar 2019
    6:05pm
    A lot wiser than you, 80 plus, since March 26 hasn't even happened yet!
    gerry
    23rd Mar 2019
    11:41am
    At the end of the Vietnam war 2000 refugees were stationed in an unused army camp near me and thousands of people demonstrated ,"not on our turf" within one year they had all left ,some bought old chicken from farmers ,plucked them ,dressed them and sold them around the houses others sold things in local markets,,,.They could not understand ""that western people got something for nothing""
    hey couldn't understand social workers bothering them all the time saying ""Entitled""

    Now the daughters of these social workers are in places like Sydney University insisting that plants and animals should claim ""Me Too " and that cats live in households so should be considered at election time'''I expect that these people will be invited to talk on the DRUM and INSIDERS.And their 22yr old expert friends will move over and give them space

    Join "The Conversation" online and see the little anarchists with degrees in art and social welfare 'Saying what we need is this and that""I got kicked off for adding ,"wheres the money coming from??""each post

    I will tell all these people that we are living off the Chinese,They don't want to sell them coal or iron ore ,what else is there ??Just heard that a Qantas stewardess gets 2 years maternity leave,,I,ve got news for her Quantas is going as soon as the price of oil reaches the normal level

    Look after your own damn teeth... the Chinese are paying 400aud a kilo for Australian beef in Shanghai,and Avos for 10 aud the best veges are going there .They are keeping us
    GOD BLESS THE CHINESE FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT


    AUSTRALIA

    I am not political just a realist
    gerry
    23rd Mar 2019
    11:41am
    At the end of the Vietnam war 2000 refugees were stationed in an unused army camp near me and thousands of people demonstrated ,"not on our turf" within one year they had all left ,some bought old chicken from farmers ,plucked them ,dressed them and sold them around the houses others sold things in local markets,,,.They could not understand ""that western people got something for nothing""
    hey couldn't understand social workers bothering them all the time saying ""Entitled""

    Now the daughters of these social workers are in places like Sydney University insisting that plants and animals should claim ""Me Too " and that cats live in households so should be considered at election time'''I expect that these people will be invited to talk on the DRUM and INSIDERS.And their 22yr old expert friends will move over and give them space

    Join "The Conversation" online and see the little anarchists with degrees in art and social welfare 'Saying what we need is this and that""I got kicked off for adding ,"wheres the money coming from??""each post

    I will tell all these people that we are living off the Chinese,They don't want to sell them coal or iron ore ,what else is there ??Just heard that a Qantas stewardess gets 2 years maternity leave,,I,ve got news for her Quantas is going as soon as the price of oil reaches the normal level

    Look after your own damn teeth... the Chinese are paying 400aud a kilo for Australian beef in Shanghai,and Avos for 10 aud the best veges are going there .They are keeping us
    GOD BLESS THE CHINESE FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT


    AUSTRALIA

    I am not political just a realist
    jackie
    23rd Mar 2019
    12:27pm
    gerry....Australasia is theirs already. They all know it too. The Qantas stewardess must have been knocked up by the CEO because the other stewardesses won't get maternity leave.
    Charlie
    23rd Mar 2019
    6:57pm
    I also tried The Conversation site. It seems to be full of people who don't understand what they are talking about... You are likely to get reference material thrust at you because you are such a dummy and they are really "aware".. But they haven't read more than the title themselves and unable to tell good research from bad research anyway.
    Charlie
    23rd Mar 2019
    6:37pm
    I suppose it means the basic care to everyone, instead of just people with health care cards. Also, are there enough dentists to provide the service?

    The kind of treatment that's necessary to avoid dentures will run into thousands. At present they cant even provide that to age pensioners.
    There are some simple services like the dental hygiene ones, descale etc that are still treated like a luxury for pensioners.
    Then there's a heap of services in the cosmetic dentistry line like realignment and whitening.
    Things like post and cap would probably come with some reduced fee attached. Same with implants.
    Life experience
    23rd Mar 2019
    7:04pm
    Not interested in everyone who doesn’t work or plays the system getting everything for nothing. And me paying for it and getting nothing. The incentive to work is getting less and less. It just doesn’t pay.
    I’m on a PAYE worker. I get nothing except my small pay and work my guts out. Why ? I’m beginning to wonder. Maybe I’ve got it wrong.
    Anonymous
    24th Mar 2019
    7:26am
    Yes, Older Lady. You've got it all wrong. Don't work and pay taxes. And don't dare save to fund your own retirement unless you are VERY RICH. That's a punishable crime. Shorten will take more than 100% of whatever income you can generate and leave you with not enough to live on - but if you spend up big and only keep a small savings nest egg invested in blue chip shares, he'll declare you one of the 'favoured elite' and give you TRIPLE handouts and a guaranteed income increase every 6 months.

    Of course if you are really wealthy and can retire with more than $2 million, then you are in Shorten's favoured rich club and he won't attack you. The more you have over the magic $1.6 million, the less he wants to take from you. And if you are a high income earner you are also safe from his attack.

    He HATES battlers, apparently. Anyone paying less than 30c in the dollar tax will be punished for trying to get ahead by investing in shares paying franked dividends. And don't even think of trying to use real estate investment to boost your income a little! We simply CANNOT allow battlers to improve their situation. But we CAN hand out every direction to people who aren't having a go. See, that's good economic management - to bash anyone who is working and paying their way but hand out to the rich, the disadvantaged, and everyone who couldn't be bothered having a go or is too stupid to know how.

    I can't help but wonder what happens when the majority quit trying. Oh, no, I don't wonder. Just look at Greece. I wish all the greedy Labor-supporting pensioners well when it happens here. But there might yet be hope. NSW voters displayed some common sense when it came to the crunch. I despise the LNP, but NSW recognised it was the devil or the deep blue sea and chose the lesser of the two evils.
    musicveg
    23rd Mar 2019
    7:15pm
    Don't understand why this has to be an election issue? Health care and dental health care should be universally free for all. It saves money in the long run. All we have to do is stop the retired MP's pensions and there will be plenty of money. People cannot work if they have dental and health problems and become a burden on the system, better to prevent more problems by looking after people before they get too sick and dental problems can result in more health problems. I am struggling at the moment with a toothache/earache, possibly abscess but cannot afford to go see anyone. So clove oil is my new friend these last couple of weeks, any other home remedies would be appreciated if anyone knows of any,thanks.
    GeorgeM
    24th Mar 2019
    1:39pm
    Of course it should be funded out of Medicare. However, more important is the need to ensure there are NO GAPS i.e. the basic problem of out-of-pocket costs must be fixed - whether only through Medicare or with a combination of Medicare + Private Health Insurance (including Private service providers to ensure competition in Quality).

    Also, more important is the need for Universal Age Pension to be fair to all - at least for all over 65 and with Residency of 15 years, without any other tests.

    I would vote for a party which fixes the above two problems.
    Would the Greens do that? Of course not! The chose to help the Liberal party attack part-pensioners through the disgusting Asset Test changes from Jan 2017 which made Savings uneconomical for retirement planning. Besides that, they have many other disgusting policies - too many to go into, and one does look at the overall picture, not just one policy, before deciding who to vote for.
    musicveg
    24th Mar 2019
    2:37pm
    I think you will find that the Greens are for universal pensions and basic health care for all. Why not check this out: https://australia.isidewith.com/
    Answer all the extra questions to see who you agree with, it is really worth doing, it surprised me with my results.
    GeorgeM
    25th Mar 2019
    12:23pm
    Greens? Never - as noted above, they stuffed part-pensioners, and also have a range of moronic, immoral, and unworkable ideas. For example, rather than universal pensions (I don't have time to check such links as they are ruled out anyway), I understood they stand for universal wage, and for all to sit at the bottom of the garden smoking free weed, along with all their global invading so-called refugees / brethren...Yeah, that will work for the country!
    Christina
    25th Mar 2019
    2:10pm
    I am surprised at the venom and anger that is sprouted in these comments. Why? Does it get you anywhere apart from giving you stomach ulcers?
    There is a better way: write down all your concerns, complaints, objections and ideas, and take your list to your local MP. And when you meet, TRY TO BE CIVIL and cultivate a respectful relationship? It only works if you can agree to disagree and not blow you top. Try it?
    On the topic of dental maintenance being covered by Medicare, my question to my MP has been: why in matters like this don't we look overseas for inspiration? The Netherlands has had a system for as long as I can remember having to have my dental 'inspection' every 9 months. Strict adherence to this rule ensured the funding. My MP took notice. If we all do this it may become something worth to bring up for discussion. The first step?
    Aussie
    25th Mar 2019
    3:28pm
    He he he Christina ... Welcome to the venom and anger forum ... he he he this is nothing at all what I have read from other people will make your hair curly .....

    I believe all this venom and anger is because some of us are taking the wrong approach of been retired and of course is very different from the life they got before retirement.
    In my book to be retire is a question of choice and you make the choices yourself to be happy, content, anger ???? whatever is your choice and your make that choice so complain and be venom and anger as you say will only give you stomach ulcers, High blood pressure and will send you to the hospital ..... Wowowowo what a wonderful choice of retire life.

    There are many many great choices when you are retired for example ....

    Freedom = (Do what you want any time)
    Relax = ( No work worries anymore)
    Time to share with your family = (Great stuff)
    Travel = (Yeahhhh travel is the way - many cheap places to go)
    Better financial management = (You can manage your own money either pension or other income ??-Rentals buy/sell properties ???? whatever - you are the decider)
    Peace = (You can be in peace and enjoy life to the full extend for as long as you can)
    Healthy = (Now you can measure your health for free to ensure You are ok at all times)

    and many more ....is just a question to make your choice of quality of life you want to have and if you decide that venom and anger is the best choice well up to you but just a simple and easy suggestion ..... respect others