Meet our tireless Age Discrimination Commissioner

Kay Patterson is 74 and lives and breathes her role as an age discrimination advocate.

Dr Kay Patterson lives and breathes her role as Age Discrimination Commissioner for the Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC). It appears to be an extension of what she has been doing since she was a teenager.

As I park my car before our interview, she calls to me to adjust the position so that it is more central. “If an older person parked on the right they’d have trouble getting out,” she says. She’s right. Later, in a coffee shop – she swears by a turmeric latte – she was disappointed to see the postman drive down the footpath past the door on his motorbike. “Imagine if you just stepped out – particularly if you were an older person. They shouldn’t do that.”

She cares.

Dr Patterson was born in Sydney, left school at 15 and later managed a small business, returned to school and then gained a bachelor of arts, a PhD in psychology and a diploma of education. She lectured health science students for 11 years and studied gerontology at two universities in theUS. She used that knowledge to co-develop the first Victorian post-graduate diploma in gerontology.

Then came politics and 21 years as a Senator forVictoria. She served in various shadow ministry portfolios before being appointed to Cabinet as Minister for Health and Ageing and, in 2003, Minister for Family and Community Services and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Women's Issues.

She retired from Cabinet in 2006 and from the Senate in 2008. But that retirement didn’t last long and she was appointed Age Discrimination Commissioner in July 2016 – a five-year, full-time role. She has served on a number of not-for-profit boards and voluntary positions and is a director of the Brockhoff Foundation and an Honorary Professorial Fellow atMonashUniversity.

Dr Patterson, AO, celebrated her 74th birthday in November. She is halfway through her term as Age Discrimination Commissioner and is already planning for what comes next. To say she is tireless does not do her justice.

But she did make time for a lengthy interview with YourLifeChoices.

YourLifeChoices: Your role focuses on the rights of older workers, elder abuse and the need to encourage innovative solutions to homelessness. How should older people expect to be treated in society?

Kay Patterson: Older people themselves have to be proud of what they do and how much they contribute to the community. They do a huge amount of voluntary work. Look at all the organisations, such as the CWA – one of the fastest growing women’s organisations inAustralia. A lot of older people have helped during droughts and fires. You have people who volunteer in nursing homes. They’re very active and contribute a lot to society and that should be highlighted and celebrated.

Older people also play a huge role in grandparenting. I think we underestimate the importance of grandparenting. My grandmother on my mother’s side and my grandfather on my father’s side were really significant people in my life.

I believe it’s important for those of us who can to be out there saying, look at what older people are doing and contributing.

It’s beholden on older people to be positive and expect respect. If you don’t expect respect, maybe people won’t give it to you. It’s a two-way thing.

Many younger people don’t get exposed to as many older people as they might have done 30 years ago.

But they see their parents deciding to move, to travel overseas, keeping their jobs, looking after grandchildren and they see them as active. It’s much longer before people are seen as frail and older than it used to be when I was young.

A survey conducted by the Australian Human Resources Institute (AHRI) and supported by the Australian Human Rights Commission found that up to 30 per cent of Australian employers are still reluctant to hire workers over a certain age, and for more than two-thirds of this group, that age was over 50.  How do we fight ageism in the workplace?

KP: Just exposure, keep them thinking about employing or working with older people.

I read an article the other day about a woman who put on a secretary at 62. She had just handed in her resignation at 80. Older people value their jobs enormously.

They have made a huge contribution toAustraliathrough bringing up a family and/or working and volunteering. You shouldn’t feel inferior. Go about your business with pride. Eleanor Roosevelt said, in effect, people can only make you feel inferior if you allow them. I agree – if you’re older, don’t let them do that.

I also think we can be a bit ageist towards young people. Do we underestimate what young people can do? Sometimes ageism can work both ways.

Why don’t more older people speak up about elder abuse?

KP: A lot of older people are too embarrassed to say they have been abused because the abuse is usually financial and can be perpetrated by a son or a daughter. An older person doesn’t want to say they’ve made a mistake, they may feel embarrassed that a child has done this to them and so it’s better to hide it and try to get on with life.

I don’t think that is what should happen. We are shining a light on this as a major issue for older Australians.

Research by the National Ageing Research Institute found that almost all of the victims of abuse said, “we don’t want to go to court; we don’t want them to be imprisoned; we want them to understand what they have done; we want some recompense; we want the family to be kept together”.

What was the trigger for your interest in gerontology?

KP: Maybe it was the relationships I had with my maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather. I talked a lot to older people. It was early on that I was sensitised to older people. Then I studied gerontology at the Universities of Pennsylvania andMichigan. They were ahead in the world in studying ageing. I set up – with others – the first post-graduate qualification in gerontology inVictoria. It’s still going. It was then that someone suggested I should be in politics.

Can you tell us some of the more satisfying achievements in politics?

KP: The Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) wasn’t always indexed. It is now, but it took me three times to get it through. I believed it needed to be more sustainable and fairer across age groups as they aged.  I also pushed for the Age Pension Bonus Scheme.

The plight of older people looking after disabled children also concerned me. I met parents who had bought apartments for their disabled son/daughter. The property, by necessity, was in the parents’ name.  When they went to get the Age Pension, the apartment was counted as an asset and they weren’t eligible for the pension. We introduced a Special Disabiity Trust designed to assist parents who had provided for their disabled son or daughter.  That wouldn’t win an election, but it changes the lives of people who have really tried hard to look after a son or daughter.

I also queried why Age Pension day was once only on a Thursday. Now people can nominate a day.

How would you describe your time as Age Discrimination Commissioner so far?

KP: I’m just two years in – I felt my first year was tilling the soil.  I have limited resources and so have had to cut my coat to fit my cloth. I am focusing on older workers, elder abuse and women at risk of homelessness. I am promoting the adoption of the AHRC Willing to Work Report and the Australian Law Reform Commission Elder Abuse Report.

Are you able to have work-life balance?

KP: I enjoy reading, swimming and spending time with friends and family. I used to religiously attend pilates twice a week, but I don’t get there as often as I’d like to now. That needs attention. But I do manage to get 10,000 to 15,000 steps a day and I do that without fail – wind, rain, or shine.

I’m very strict about eating properly and not cutting corners. And talking to people outside my immediate area of work. I told Julia Gillard when she became PM she should try to contact one person outside Parliament every day. I would say there’s never a day goes past when I haven’t adhered to that. Isolation and loneliness is what makes older people more at risk of depression and/or elder abuse. It is vital that people try to keep as socially connected as they possibly can.

I am not able to do as much voluntary work as I used to before I took on this role.

I’m already thinking about when I get to the end of this job what I can do at 76. You need to. You’ve got to make decisions when you can, not when they are forced on you because you are ill or when some other issue arises.

Who is the person you most admire?

KP: Lorna Lloyd Green (obstetrician-gynecologist). She mentored me. She worked full time until she was 76 delivering babies, then she then did a two-year music therapy course, because she was a beautiful pianist, and worked three days a week in two hospices where she could also use her medical knowledge to explain to people what was happening to them. She was a very gentle, strong soul. I gave the eulogy at her funeral (in 2002). I believe it is vital to have friends who are younger as well as older – to learn from them and share what you have learnt as well.

You can follow Dr Patterson on twitter at @DrKayPatterson and on Facebook at @AgePositive.

Have you experienced ageism? Do you have a range of friends of varying ages? Do you agree with Dr Patterson’s words about social connections?

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    Paddington
    16th Dec 2018
    9:13am
    What a remarkable woman! A self made woman who has worked hard and deserves to be respected. I had not heard of her before this article so thank you for this interview and information.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    10:07am
    Old politicians should just quietly fade away and live the life of Riley on their mega-'superannuation', and leave the rest of us alone.
    Sundays
    16th Dec 2018
    10:30am
    I thought her achievements were pretty good in the sense that ordinary people would have been helped by them. More than can be said for a lot of other former politicians
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    10:53am
    Perhaps so, Sundays, but the fact remains she is tainted with the former political alliance brush.

    Former politicians should just leave the rest of us to try to restore the nation to some real values afte rtheir decades of destruction of it.
    Triss
    16th Dec 2018
    12:55pm
    I agree with you, Trebor. It would be interesting to know what salary she gets because, in spite of working for the elderly, it won't impact on her high pension and perks like it would for someone on the age pension.
    Anonymous
    18th Dec 2018
    12:02am
    You have not heard of her before? Neither have I, nor I believe a lot of the older people here - an Older people's website! That just shows how irrelevant she is. I can't see much achievements at all listed above! Where are the KPIs by which she is assessed to see if she is doing her current job?

    I think the general feeling is that this person has achieved "Sweet F.A." to use Lothario's term. Also, still getting a fat salary presumably, in addition to a fat pension as an ex-politician.

    16th Dec 2018
    9:34am
    Why do we continue to suffer the delusion that a woman in such a spot will always be more humanitarian, fair, even-handed, and even-minded? Given a background in the rapidly disintegrating Social Sciences and politics, I would suggest this is the absolute wrong choice for anyone to do this kind of job.

    She may well be a nice lady - but thus far I haven't heard much, if anything, about anything positive to come from this post other than a nice little earner for someone 'on the inside' and steeped in the usual rhetoric.

    The general rule is that 'commissioners' and 'commissions' are just another nice earner for mates... cronyism..... and the LNP has raised that to new heights, considering their Royal Commissions and commissioners.

    This country is on its knees socially and economically and all governments can do is feed more and more millions into empty seats, usually filled by people 'on the right side of things', who then employ people of like mind... meaning zero to nothing of value ever comes out of them,
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    9:40am
    ADDS:- the Australian Human Rights Commission has traditionally, and thus far in its brilliant career, proven that it prefers to uphold any 'rights' of very specific groups regardless of realities, and even to actively employ people from those groups via massive preference and 'social engineering' (the eternal hope that by giving jobs to semi-skilled persons from 'marginalised' groups, they will immediately assume a high performance and comprehension of issues mode) ... I'd hardly say it was a reliable organisation on which to base any hope of positive change for ALL equally.

    Scrap it and start again....
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    1:09pm
    I agree Bob, do we really need the HRC with its disastrous track record? Trying to get someone to complain about Bill Leak so they could take action against him? The ridiculous case in the Queensland uni where a group of white students were had up for racism and thos who didn't pay $5000 were found not guilty. Trigg's response was "We didn't think it would go this far."
    MICK
    16th Dec 2018
    1:51pm
    Who's Bob?
    Sounds like you had a long night of festivities Saturday night OM.
    Is Bill Leak a friend of Scott Scum?

    I thought the article was about an Age Discrimination Commissioner. Maybe I missed something.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    2:36pm
    That's me, Mick - he reversed my YLC nom-de-plume....

    Personally I don't care much if people know about me etc.... nothing to hide here...
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    4:34pm
    As usual MICK, you have only read part of the article (or had it read to you) and you have missed the opening paragraph it seems. Here it is for you to look at again and decide whether an apology is in order. (I'm not standing on one leg, waiting)

    "Dr Kay Patterson lives and breathes her role as Age Discrimination Commissioner for the Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC)."

    I note your denigrating remark about our PM and suggest that at least is isn't an accused rapist wiv a speech impediment who is wanting to take his job.
    Linda
    16th Dec 2018
    11:21am
    I wish someone would slot into retail training the idea that senior people do not want to be called honey or dear by retail and service people. It is difficult to say pleasant when this happens to me. I don't want to be rude, I am a dear to my family and friends, but not necessarily a dear to someone working in a shop or has a public service role. I believe it is a well intended practice and I can't find a nice way to say please don't call me that.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    11:25am
    Ouch... as a man I don't get that....

    Age/Gender Discrimination Commissioner - here's a job!!

    Say - you don't think all those gender freakshows wanted to be 'accepted' so they could screech about 'discrimination', do you?

    A good argument to abolish these 'commissions'... just playthings for lunatic fringe groups and have little to no connection with real people.... nowadays you are discriminating by simply breathing and being normal by majority standards...
    Triss
    16th Dec 2018
    12:59pm
    Try my way, Linda. When a sales assistant says, for eg "Can I help you, dear?" I just say "No thank you, dear." It usually works.
    MICK
    16th Dec 2018
    1:57pm
    Priceless.
    What about 'no thanks kiddie. Are you taking time out of school to fill in"?
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    2:37pm
    I always love the shop assistant who asks, "You right?"... I usually reply that I'm slightly left of centre....
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    3:33pm
    I like Bob Hoskins' line in ' Mona Lisa'... "You working here or just wearing in a new pair of shoes?"
    MICK
    16th Dec 2018
    11:52am
    I don't know anything about the woman but the pertinent questions I need to ask is.

    1. what has been done about employers refusing to employ older Australians, especially when they have significant qualifications and a work history?
    2. why are retirement villages and nursing homes STILL allowed to cannibalise retirees?
    3. why are self funded retirees still not being defended against attack from the current government?

    I'm sorry to have to ask the hard questions but having somebody in this sort of job is much much more than a feel good exercise. This position needs to be taken by a person on a mission who fights the vested interests rather than just smiling into the cameras. If not then nothing will be achieved and the position will be nothing more than a publicity stunt to sooth over the retirement cohort.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    12:14pm
    My question is - as always:-

    What will such a commissioner/commission actually do and achieve? Not much beyond more cash and kudos for those employed there...

    An old political mate appointed is hardly likely to address the issues you raise above... or to actually be more than just a rubber stamp and a relief valve for those with real complaints.

    Only a tiny minority of complaints will ever reach the discussion phase, and those will be carefully cherry-picked to look good but have no real impact... most of the funding will go to fat salaries and perks etc... often to people with zero need of them, but 'on the inside'.

    We are a corrupt nation at the core...
    MICK
    16th Dec 2018
    12:43pm
    That is essentially where my comment was going TREBOR.
    No different to the ACCC,ASIC, TIO and a heap of other so called regulators who employ Australians to have a good well paid job to essentially...wank. They talk, they patronise, they fob off....but they FAIL to do the job they were hired to do, and governments let them be because they cause them no harm.

    This is why we need Independents at the helm working for the country. Currently we have career BS artists and vested interests killing the nation.
    Anonymous
    16th Dec 2018
    12:47pm
    Spot on... more like Lifeless Aged Discrimination Commissioner...

    17th Dec 2018
    6:34pm
    How long has this woman had the job, and what has she achieved during that time?

    Absolutely sweet F.A.


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