Misogynistic phrases that need to go

These seemingly harmless sayings actually have sexist roots.

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Language changes and evolves with our world whether we like it or not. Certain words and phrases become antiquated because they either no longer serve a purpose in our society or they become offensive.

Once referred to as a hatred of women, the definition of misogyny has broadened to include ‘deeply entrenched prejudice’ towards women, or a belief that men are superior to women. Yet the six common phrases below are so ubiquitous people rarely stop to think about the meaning behind them.

Even if such phrases are used innocently, there is a growing sentiment that it’s time to stop using them. American TV producer Shonda Rhimes is particularly over the use of ‘smart strong women’ and ‘strong female leads’ in the entertainment industry.

And Ms Rhimes would know – she’s behind some of the most successful female-led television shows of all time, including Grey’s Anatomy and Scandal.

Phrases such as ‘strong female leads’ can indicate that the norm for female characters is weakness, and that it’s unusual if they’re powerful. When was the last time you heard about a ‘strong male lead’? Probably never – they’re just called ‘male characters’.

Here are some phrases that could be beyond their use-by date.

1. Girl boss
The term started with humble intentions but its adoption into pop culture has made it quite ridiculous. They’re not girls, they’re women. Imagine if roles were reversed and male leaders were referred to as 'boy bosses'. Why the compulsive need to clarify when someone is a woman, when a man never gets the same treatment?

2. Man up
Man up is actually defined as 'to start being brave or strong in order to deal with a difficult situation'. Should masculinity be associated with strength? It’s a damaging trope for both genders. It implies that men should not allow themselves to feel hurt or express emotion, perhaps preventing them from reaching out if they need help. It could also cause some men to believe that the only acceptable way to express their emotions is through anger or physical action.

3. Bossy
When a man is in charge, he’s seen as strong and powerful. When a woman is in the same role, she’s more likely to be called ‘bossy'. Calling a woman bossy is akin to chastising her for having opinions or a sense of authority. It could also prevent young girls from learning how to be assertive if they hear strong women being referred to as bossy.

4. Working mother
This phrase screams double standards: when did you ever hear of a dad with a job being called a ‘working father’? Or even a woman being called a 'working young adult' or a 'working wife'? Having a baby doesn't automatically merge your career and parenthood and referring to someone is a ‘working mother’ can have judgemental undertones – whether it’s meant that way or not.

5. She wears the trousers in the relationship
Relationships should be an equal partnership, but phrases like this suggest that usually the man is in charge, and women are just uppity if they take the lead, much like the word ‘whipped’, which reflects badly on men.

What do you think of these phrases? Do you think they should go or that people are too easily offended?

– With PA

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    Grumpy
    8th Jul 2020
    3:29pm
    So girl boss is not acceptable, yet women, even in their seventies and eighties still refer to "girl friends". Where are you going to draw the line? Stop being pathetic and enjoy life.
    Tarlo
    9th Jul 2020
    10:34am
    Exactly. Good on you "Grumpy Boy" I am in my 70s and call many women I know love or like "Girl" as a sign of affection, even my wife. Plus I like being called "Boy" Even call me Old Boy and I don't mind. Life is too short, and as you said lets enjoy it.
    The Thinker
    9th Jul 2020
    11:14am
    There are so many important things that need to be addressed instead of such petty rubbish.
    Hoohoo
    9th Jul 2020
    3:41pm
    Well, boyfriends, you seem to be on a unity ticket here. I understand why such phrases are unimportant to you - it's because they don't affect you negatively.

    I've been with my partner for over 35 years and we'd never refer to each other as a boyfriend or girlfriend. Neither of us want to be thought of as children because we've been adults for over 40 years.

    I think being called a 'boy' gives men an excuse to be immature while 'girl' is usually belittling to women. It's called infantilizing women. It's bad enough that women are portrayed on porn sites without pubic hair, so that they look like little girls. No wonder pedophilia rates are so high.
    Youngagain
    17th Jul 2020
    12:00pm
    Geez, Hoohoo, if you and your partner have been together for 35 years, I think you SHOULD be old enough to be grown up, but clearly you are not if you think being called a girl or boy is belittling. Personally, at 70+, I think it's a compliment to be called a 'girl'. And my daughter delights me by saying she intends never to grow into a 'woman', as being a 'girl' is so much more fun.

    To suggest a correlation between calling women 'girls' and paedophilia rates is completely than insane! People either respect others and have morals or they don't. What a person is called has nothing to do with that.
    Hoohoo
    17th Jul 2020
    2:54pm
    Girlhood for me was an exercise in powerlessness and having to suck it up.

    I'm proud to be a powerful woman and find it belittling to be called a girl. You're entitled to your personal opinion but don't try to tell me how I feel. You said it: "People either respect others and have morals or they don't", so please respect my opinion.

    Read up on the correlation between incest rates increasing and modern porn portraying women like little girls (without pubic hair). Little girls are the incest victims of family pedophiles - fathers, grandfathers, uncles, brothers, cousins.
    Horace Cope
    8th Jul 2020
    3:47pm
    Well, this is just another nail in the coffin of the average male. Women want equality but only on their terms. If I was to suggest that they put their big girl pants on and get on with it I'd be howled down as a misogynist. May I point out that I am in the biggest disadvantaged group in the country; I'm white, male and heterosexual.
    KSS
    8th Jul 2020
    4:02pm
    You 'forgot' OLD!
    Tanker
    8th Jul 2020
    4:09pm
    Really! The most disadvantaged group in the country? This tends to suggest you don't know the being of the phrase.
    Jim
    8th Jul 2020
    4:25pm
    Yes agree Horace, I am in the same group, we are no longer allowed an opinion on anything, I wouldn’t admit to being straight because you will be identified as a bigot and a hater of others who identify as being different, it doesn’t have to be true, it just means that another minority group can accuse you of bias, life is becoming too confused, we should just let the groups with their own agendas win, but I guess they would find something else to complain about, roll on the next world order!
    Wendy HK
    8th Jul 2020
    6:51pm
    I agree. The middle aged white hetrosexual male gets nothing.
    Sundays
    9th Jul 2020
    8:54am
    Horace, you are so far from being in the biggest disadvantaged group in the country. That sort of thinking shows that you are indeed a dinosaur. Look around you and be grateful for all you have compared to others
    The Thinker
    9th Jul 2020
    11:19am
    Horace, the majority of family women work these days and earn their own keep, also do the majority of housework and childcare. Marrying male adult children is not equality.
    Gra
    9th Jul 2020
    2:26pm
    Tanker needs to have a rethink if he doesn't agree white males are the most disadvantaged group in the country. Perhaps Tanker would like to tell us what advantages we have.
    Hoohoo
    9th Jul 2020
    3:53pm
    Oh poor pet, Horace! Life must be so horrible for you!

    I suggest we've had your old, white male opinions for way too long and now it's your turn to suck it up and shut up. You've been unchallenged and had it good for so long now you don't even see or appreciate all the entitlements that have been bestowed on you in the past.

    Next thing you'll be telling us the sun is discriminating against you and being unfair for damaging your white skin.

    And Gra, are you really worse off than asylum seekers in Nauru? Or single parents with an abusing partner? Are you homeless? Are you a Blackfella? Have you got a life-threatening cancer? Pray tell, what IS IT that you don't have that everyone else seems to get so easily?
    Youngagain
    17th Jul 2020
    12:05pm
    Hoohoo, I agree that Horace is more privileged than many, but I also agree that aged, white, working class Australians are far less advantaged than many. For a start, Aborigines are handed massive benefits that whites - no matter what their circumstances - can never access. Similarly, immigrants in some situations are heavily favoured over Australian-born working class families. Whites are NOT automatically privileged, and anyone who thinks they are is seriously misinformed.
    Hoohoo
    17th Jul 2020
    2:59pm
    Just because Aboriginal groups receive grants, doesn't necessarily mean the people benefit at all. The main reason for this is that the funds are distributed by departments, run by whitefeallas who have no idea about what is needed to address the problems faced by the blackfellas.

    This is why we can't close the gap for health, deaths in custody or incarceration rates, no matter how much money is thrown at it.

    You are right, whites are NOT automatically privileged. I didn't say they all are.
    Mutley
    8th Jul 2020
    3:58pm
    If one is offended by a phrase, tell the person saying, that offends me. Otherwise, let it pass
    JAID
    16th Jul 2020
    5:29pm
    Best comment yet. Lead by example.

    If you disagree with what someone else believes or says either they or you are wrong, or, it is a sign that differences and/or ignorance exists.

    Girlfriend and Boyfriend has always sounded a little odd to me when used by or for adults but the intention is equal-handed.

    Even where something is not equal-handed we could ask ourselves what we are doing trying to make everybody else conform to our supposed standards. Do what you think is right and if on balance we manage equity in our society we have attained a creditable position as a society. That we may not, simply indicates the reality of of our current state.
    Happiness engendered by micro managing law and media is nothing like a recipe we associate with the Australian psyche or liberty generally.

    Personally, I agree that most of the words noted in the article tend to be less equitably loaded than would be hoped. With time, no doubt our sophistication as a society along with credit strongly earned will see them minimised.

    We don't need to be silly about this though.

    Take working-father. I am a working father and generally recognised as one. I am by far the main bread-winner but also do the majority in relation to raising, feeding and keeping our young kids up to standard. Do I give a damn that people think of me as a working father. Not at all. I enjoy every minute of it. When I have to, I take them to meetings with me or have meetings moved so that their needs can be managed. If there are any who use that against me I have not noticed them and probably wouldn't care anyway.

    If people were not so 'holier than thou' they would see that the Australian community at large is extremely well-meaning. They would see also that as acquaintance and knowledge has increased that community has been quite open to appropriate change. I know there has been a lot of boring prodding along the way since the 50's but compare the general assumptions made then with those now made. The prodders probably pat themselves on the back but we do not change unless we wish to follow what we regard as a better way and nor should we.

    This community should take a bow for the speed of equitable change it has made and look forward to much more change.
    Peterseaford
    8th Jul 2020
    4:04pm
    Yep - it’s pathetic - when did you discover that big chip on your shoulder

    Wake up and enjoy life
    KSS
    8th Jul 2020
    4:08pm
    If these are so 'objectionable', why can't we make a plea for using:

    working fathers/husbands,

    He wears the skirt in that relationship

    Call a male Boss - Bossy

    Introduce woman-up (oops no that óffends' so person-up then)

    boy boss


    But then all those who do not subscribe to the binary gender model will also get upset. The most ridiculous situation I came across recently was the reference to women's health as persons with a vagina/cervix health.
    Sundays
    9th Jul 2020
    1:18pm
    I just received a business email and after the writers name (female) and Title at the bottom was the following: Pronouns Her/She. Now that was PC gone mad
    Hoohoo
    9th Jul 2020
    4:06pm
    KSS, if you DID use the phrases 'working fathers/husbands' or call a male boss 'Bossy' or 'boy boss', then there wouldn't be an issue. Start using it - you might change the world for the better.

    But "He wears the skirt in that relationship" is exactly the same as "her wearing the pants". Both assume weakness for him and dominance by her, as if that's an exception to reality. Why not just say "she's the dominant partner" if that's what you want to say?

    And why not just say "toughen up" or "guard your partner" as has been said for longer than I am old, on the netball field, instead of 'man up'?
    Country John
    8th Jul 2020
    4:34pm
    I share my home with 3 boarders. One a female Malaysian Muslim, a male vegetarian Hindu Indian, a Taiwanese male and myself as a white Australian old Christian. If we decide to "pool" our meals one night I will say that dish has pork and that one is vegetarian etc etc. We take from the dishes that we can eat and enjoy both food and company.
    There is nothing racial, discriminatory etc etc. We may joke and say "Indians are whatever whatever and have a laugh about it. Nobody bothers about it. As I said to them at the start. You are a guest in my home and my country and please respect it as mine. They all agreed they were visitors and privileged to be able to come here and while here they would abide by our way of life. How simple is that?
    The strong female lead role is exactly what it is. Doesn't mean that all other females are weak. Why cant these people get a life and stop bombarding us with all this crap. All these minority groups are having too much to say.
    While I am here can somebody please please explain to me that if I say ALL lives matter how is that racist? I really would like to know.
    Jim
    8th Jul 2020
    5:12pm
    Quite simple John, only white people can be racist, we make up approx 13% of the world’s population. I firmly believe that the majority of people from other cultures don’t see all white people as racist, but there are a small vocal group that are usually led by radicals that create the white privilege myth, unfortunately most of these radicals are white. I find it hard to believe that 87% of the world population think that only white people are racist, but that’s the impression we are meant to believe.
    Hoohoo
    9th Jul 2020
    4:10pm
    Country John, the subject of the article is about gender, not race or religion.

    What planet are you on or how can you imagine that females are a minority group?
    john
    14th Jul 2020
    2:06pm
    Country John I like your comments, I have worked with many different nationalities and there is nothing more fun when you get to know these friends really closely, than being able to have a few racial shots at one another, with no malice BUT tons of humour that every one loves, and you will defend them like a wild man if someone overstepped the mark that wasn't in your group, its when you can say anything and not offend the person, who will throw something back at you, THAT IS FRIENDSHIP!.
    It lasts seconds and generally happens in the workplace too, but with political correct bulldust surrounding all of us, some idiot is liable to report that they were offended , then you go off to some nonsense counselling, and the councillor,is as embarrassed as the insulter and the supposed insulted? But the freak with the complaint has some extended right it seems , and they have no idea as to why they are just left out, afterwards.
    I've seen it happen, doing union work, it is a huge problem for the world.
    This is a kind of splitting, of us all into groups of enemies, the minority that promote this rubbish have to be removed someway in the mindset of our societies!Its like apparthied all over again?
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    5:41pm
    Such fun! I honestly believe you when you say making "a few racial shots at one another, with no malice..." but then your " BUT tons of humour that every one loves, ... its when you can say anything and not offend the person, who will throw something back at you, THAT IS FRIENDSHIP!." Well John, it's novel humour for YOU to banter casual racism around with people who you call your friends, but for those who hear that same casual racism every day, from friends and foes alike, believe me, it's not novel humour for them.

    Yes, "It lasts seconds" for you but it rings an ugly bell that echoes on and on for those who have heard this stuff from the day they were born, against their parents, against their siblings, against their own children. Of course they'll laugh along with you! What's their alternative response? To get angry and cause a stir? To call you out? You really have no idea what it feels like to be the raw and whipped butt of this kind of joking.

    Then you have the hide to call political correctness "bulldust". That someone with enough courage, who has simply had enough because it's affecting their ability to work effectively, reports it and you call them an idiot who needs "nonsense counselling" who you then refer to as a "freak" who deserves to be ostracised by workmates.

    It seems to me that people who think like you are a huge problem for the world. YOU are the ones dividing people because you can't bring yourself to walk in someone else's shoes. You're too proud and too entitled, too accustomed to having everything go your way. You don't want change because you know deep down, the party is nearly over. You are now the minority. The world has progressed. I invite you to the future, where ALL people are equal. By law, we already are equal - now we need to work to put it into practice.
    Cassius
    8th Jul 2020
    4:38pm
    I long for the days when I expressed opinions and no one got offended. These people are well balanced they have a chip on both shoulders
    Bob G.
    8th Jul 2020
    8:41pm
    Spot on, you got it, well balanced.

    I have always called a spade a spade and therein lies a problem. .
    Hoohoo
    9th Jul 2020
    4:14pm
    Oh well Cassius, you'd better invent a time machine because we're never going back to those bad old days for women. Or, if Trump is re-elected, the benighted mistakes of hysteria may be a good place for you to move to? Trump is devoted to making America great again, which obviously means a place where old, white men rule.
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    5:50pm
    Ah the good old days! No one got offended because everyone in the room was white. What a nuisance it must be for your life, that now you must glance around to check there are no blacks or women listening to your oppressive opinions.

    Luckily, even the mighty dinosaurs died out eventually. The meek will inherit the Earth. The meek and all those others, those who have survived despite huge chunks chopped out of both shoulders.
    JAID
    17th Jul 2020
    7:38pm
    There is an easy remedy Cassius.

    Say what you think.

    (leaving those who don't like it to waste their time as they wish.)

    All this cattle dung about someone's comment maybe encouraging some kid to think differently some time in the future is totally at odds with how switched on kids are (despite severe indoctrination throughout their schooling.) My young kids have and express their own opinions and despite having at least one 'worldly and supremely intelligent parent', for some reason, unknown to me, much prefer to take their cues from a wide range of various sources.

    Whingers that have not moved on from half century old wrankles could do worse than talk to them some day. They would be amazed at the depth of their independent review of some issues.

    I say half century old wrankles because it has been an extraordinarily long time since you could not, no matter who you are, reach the loftiest heights if you have appropriate focus. There may still be some sketchy, notional glass ceiling for various groups in the community generally but there are practically none for individuals. It has taken a long time for people to step up realising that. The reason is that managers, good managers, promote people who are making the most valuable decisions and contributions, their colour, creed, gender and sexuality would really be of the least important interest.

    A whinger expects everybody else to make their world the way they want. Anybody, any law, any cost, it does not matter, blame or expect anything, just, not themselves. We fashion our own lives. We are owed nothing.

    One constant hitch relates to children. There are plenty of people, maybe too many, you do not have to have children and if you do you can pre-arrange management of their upbringing. Many don't and come running to others to fix. Education once may have been an imposition with inadequate wealth but still many with nothing were so motivated that they worked multiple jobs and found a way through. Now, anybody and their dog can get whatever education that they want, they just may have to be prepared to set aside a few things very easily set aside.

    I once thought it appalling that some called Britain a nation of whingers. Still do. The mantle gets closer to a good fit here (Aus) every year.
    Chris B T
    8th Jul 2020
    4:46pm
    So is that a boy's/girl's night out or should it be men's/women's or is it Gentlemen's/Ladies night out or Bugger It's a Piss Up or is that a Piss Down and Who Cares. Just let your Hair Down If You Have Any ???
    justme
    8th Jul 2020
    4:56pm
    Will this political correctness insanity ever stop.
    I wonder what the world will be like in 50 years, and what will pass as history in schools and uni's etc.
    Julian
    8th Jul 2020
    7:31pm
    I can tell you for free that future generations, unless there's some epiphany, will be shaking their heads and wondering what went wrong with society. The only remedy, it seems, is to fight this PC BS
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    5:53pm
    Nup. You blokes will be dead and society will say "Can you believe they let these dinosaurs rule for so long?" and "Thank God now everyone can share the power".

    Political incorrectness will die with you. Sorry (not).
    PIC
    8th Jul 2020
    5:02pm
    So your name is Prudence? I bet you're a very nice wopersibling.
    Robertj
    8th Jul 2020
    5:42pm
    The suffix "man" comes from Old English and referred to a "person" not just a male. Now the suffix tends only to refer to the masculine side. Many occupations had a male and female version, actor and actress, usher and usherette, waiter and waitress. Some jobs which were predominately back then only done one sex only had one title, nurse, fireman, midwife (but that actually meant "with the woman" so in Old English it could refer to a male midwife. Chairman was also used for the female occupant though that became Madame Chair, Chairwoman or before the gender neutral chairperson. A policeman and policewoman were normal but it was later replaced with police officer.
    About 25 years ago when gender neutral terms started I can remember a male registered nurse was called Mr. Sister until Sister dropped from useage. Many titles have always been gender neutral, teacher, scientist, chemist, engineer, sailor.
    The armed forces lower ranks still use man to refer to both sexes, airman, seaman.
    English is a fluid language and what was normal once sometimes falls from favour and becomes, to some, nearly sn insult.
    Fready
    8th Jul 2020
    5:58pm
    Today I saw an article suggesting we should change "boycott" to "personcott". How ridiculous. !!
    Triss
    8th Jul 2020
    9:19pm
    I’m waiting for the next dopey official wanting their 15 minutes in the limelight to tell us that all baby names have to be gender neutral. It seems to have already started, the daughter of a friend of mine insisted on gender neutral names for her kids and called them Deryn and Dallas.
    PIC
    8th Jul 2020
    11:23pm
    personcott is unacceptable due to the gender specific "son" part of the word. It should be persiblingcott. How sexist are you?
    Eddy
    9th Jul 2020
    3:50pm
    Boycott was named for a actual person, Captain Charles Boycott, who was ostracised by his local community. I am sure the English cricketer Geoffrey Boycott would be offended by insisting on revising his surname.
    BillW41
    8th Jul 2020
    5:59pm
    How dead, dull and interesting language is going to be without the accumulated nuances of descriptive phraseology which has evolved over centuries! For heavens sake abandon this unimaginative "political correctness" rubbish. I really despair for future literature and colourful speech - Shakespeare must be turning in his grave, and what about Dickens, Twain, Scott, etc.?
    PS: I'm a frustrated author (of distant mixed race) trying to work on my fifth book!
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    6:10pm
    All those male authors, turning in their graves. At least they had the excuse of being victims of the times. No excuses today.

    So just use your imagination. Think outside the square. Now THAT makes for an interesting yarn. Modern people don't want to hear that old stuff rehashed over and over any more, anyway.

    I just watched a remake of the western "Hell and High Water", with Chris Pine and Ben Foster as the leads with Jeff Bridges as the main lawman. I nearly missed it because I thought it was the John Wayne original (with all that boring '50's ethos and formula). This modern rendition was a delight because it turned the crooks into believable bank robbers and the coppers into genuine heroes. Our morals were questioned and turned on their heads because the story revealed it was the bank screwing everyone over, including the coppers and their families. Fantastic soundtrack too, if you enjoy modern country/cowboy/bluegrass music.
    Jim
    8th Jul 2020
    6:44pm
    Men are slowly losing any relevance in modern day living, we are not allowed to be the protector of our families anymore in case we offend some group with their own agenda’s. Women’s groups often complain that they are not represented in this or that occupation, so then we have to have positive discrimination to balance the numbers, if you look at some of those occupations media seems to be high on the list, once upon a time there were hardly any women commentators, now they make up the majority. Some will accuse me of misogyny because I dare to point out that there has been a change in the man/woman balance, nothing us mere males can do about that, I have been married to the strongest of women for 52 years and I respect all women for their contribution to both family life and career life, but I am still going to be the protector for as long as I am able.
    Triss
    8th Jul 2020
    9:31pm
    It goes the other way as well, Jim. Not many years ago nurses were women now there are lots of male nurses. There are now plenty of male midwives. Typists used to be women, men wouldn’t demean themselves by putting their fingers on a keyboard now all men type.
    Jim
    8th Jul 2020
    9:59pm
    There are male nurses, but the vast majority are still female, I have never heard of male midwives that’s not to say they don’t exist, but again I would think the majority would be female, the same with typist although because most workplaces have computers the imbalance might not be so great, the big difference is that men are not complaining about inequality, years ago the opportunities for women were very limited and quite rightly that has changed, but I am not sure that is the topic of the post, it just seems to me that men are not allowed to be men and women are not allowed to be women, the facts are that men and women are different and thank goodness for that, in fact it’s fair to say we are all different in some ways, the old ways are not all bad, just my opinion of course.
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    6:35pm
    Please keep on protecting your family, Jim, as best you can. I'm sure your wonderful wife is and has always done the same. But please accept that most men aren't macho rednecks and most women aren't shy mice nurturing their babies. You say "men are not allowed to be men and women are not allowed to be women" but I say "Let people be who they want to be, without society's expectations pressuring them to act unnaturally." There are plenty of women who don't have children, so expecting them to always be nurturing isn't fair to them. And there are plenty of good, gentle, creative and nurturing men who have every right to be themselves without the fear of neanderthals calling them names. It's OK to be who you are as long as you accept other people for who they are. Some people are born with indeterminate gender, so how are they supposed to act without choosing one or the other?

    All I hope is that when enough men are employed in traditionally female jobs, then the wages earned will reflect the absolutely essential nature of the work these people perform. I include nurses, doctors, coppers, cleaners, teachers and early childcare workers. These are the people that uphold the standards for a decent society.

    While we need politicians, I really don't think they deserve the remuneration they receive, not to mention the exorbitant perks and pensions they get, simply for quitting for a better paid job or they get voted out. Some of those new jobs are nothing short of corruption - payment for doing the bidding of private enterprise while in office. Liberal and Labor.
    BillW41
    8th Jul 2020
    11:42pm
    My last post said "interesting" when it should have been "uninteresting" - sorry about that. On male and female words, the thin edge of the wedge came when actresses ceased to exist and became actors. It's been all downhill segregated language since then. Vive la difference!
    Circum
    8th Jul 2020
    11:49pm
    Total garbage not worth commenting on.Sexist roots?If its behind closed doors then thats up to you.
    Sandpiper
    9th Jul 2020
    7:54am
    This PC BS has taken the fun out of life because we’re all pussyfooting around ensuring we don’t offend anyone. It’s really quite pathetic and I wish everyone would just stop over analysing every damn thing and get on with life and enjoy.
    Chris B T
    9th Jul 2020
    9:12am
    Christening of Ships are May He now, not the usual May She sail Calmly and without Storm or Tempest.
    If your Christening with He your going for a Disaster and certainly not Calm.
    "Non Gender is the go Really"
    The Sheriff
    9th Jul 2020
    9:37am
    More politically correct BS.
    mikecrook
    9th Jul 2020
    10:13am
    yep, they should go. Language is a powerful weapon and these are certainly intentionally demeaning
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    6:38pm
    Thanks for your voice of reason, Mike.
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    11:30am
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    ozirules
    9th Jul 2020
    1:05pm
    my dear departed mother in law, bless her...(sorry to bring gender and religion in there)...cotton socks.....(sorry again, I mentioned a white plant fibre).....forgive me the PC BS or I'll be here forever. Anyway she was a tough old bird and never subservient to man nor beast. She called a spade a spade as we all should. When we were allowed to admit that men and women were in fact different and not just morphed into a gender neutral shop dummy she always called people, young and old, who's names she either didn't know or had forgotten as Fanny or Willie. She would have told these dipsticks who want to make us all cower away from descriptive words to go forth and multiply. I wont change the phrases I use because some self proclaimed saviour of all things sacred tells me I'm racist, sexist or any other ist. I will change when and if a word or phrase no longer conveys the meaning I require, as in the meaning of gay. Meanwhile, enough people know what I mean when I say actress, hostess, man of the match, for he's a jolly good fellow etc... Dont get me started on LGBTRSVP or any other variation of human behavior that you can put an initial too. Beam me up Scotty.
    Knight Templar
    9th Jul 2020
    2:05pm
    As usual, the article implies that men have the upper "verbal" hand. This is no longer the case.

    During the last few decades, the human rights of men (especially white males) have been assaulted by governments of all persuasions, almost always to privilege women and girls - it has gone far beyond providing equal opportunity. Males are now disadvantaged in education, employment (especially in the media and public service), in access to children after family breakdowns, treated less favourably or even mocked when they are victims of domestic violence perpetrated by a female (35% of victims of DV are male) and over-represented in terms of homelessness and suicide. Males are treated more harshly by the justice system ... the disparity in sentencing results in females rarely receiving the same sentence as a male for an identical crime. Men are victims of paternity fraud, generally disadvantaged in divorce settlements, healthcare provisions (the bulk of funding targets women's health), and face a lack of political representation for men's rights.

    Despite this, the article is more concerned with words that might offend females.
    Hoohoo
    13th Jul 2020
    12:46am
    Why don't you charge these governments with assault? Of course you haven't been assaulted - you've just been confronted by your presumed entitlements. Take off your blinkers.

    How have males been disadvantaged in education or employment?

    If you, as a parent, have been the main caregiver of your children and then your marriage breaks down, then you will most likely be given custody, no matter what gender you are. That will be best for your children.

    You are against seeking real equality, aren't you?
    Gra
    9th Jul 2020
    2:24pm
    Most definitely people are too easily offended if phrases like these get under their skin. Time they got on with life instead of always looking for something to be offended by. We certainly are breeding a whole new lot of snowflakes.
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    6:42pm
    The 'snowflakes' are the men whingeing about having to share power with the other half of the population. Poor little things! They've never had it so hard! It's so confronting to their sensibilities! It's against God herself!
    BillW41
    9th Jul 2020
    7:12pm
    Jim, ethnicity proportions are interesting. It took a while to research, but based on figures from the past couple of years, Mongoliforms comprise 35% of the world's population (and that includes Amerindians), Negriforms make up 17%, Caucasiforms amount to 48% but that includes Hispanics, Arabic types and those from the sub-continent amounting to about 32.5%. Upshot is only about 15.5% are actually "white". Although I'm blue-eyed white, my YDNA is North African, pale skin apparently originating with European women's mtDNA. Blue eyes orginated in Kazakhstan about 10,000 years ago.
    cali
    9th Jul 2020
    8:09pm
    Pathetic comments from a sook.
    The language and phrases are fine so get a life.
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    6:46pm
    No way. We're after YOUR life, and all it's privileges. And we will eventually win more than half of them because there are more females than males in our country.

    You're just the spoilt brat who won't share his toys.
    cali
    9th Jul 2020
    8:09pm
    Pathetic comments from a sook.
    The language and phrases are fine so get a life.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jul 2020
    5:47pm
    Yeah, let the bullies have a go!
    Youngagain
    17th Jul 2020
    12:12pm
    Bullies only pick on weak and ineffectual people. The best defence against bullying is to teach people that offence is in the mind of the offended, and how to defend themselves. The more we make a person's welfare the responsibility of someone else, or protect people with extensive regulation, the less able people are to protect themselves. A return to personal responsibility and common sense would do far more to resolve bullying problems than making more and more silly rules for bullies to continue to break.
    Hoohoo
    17th Jul 2020
    3:05pm
    Yeah right - next time someone punches you in the face just tell them you refuse to be offended. That'll teach 'em.

    I agree with you that welfare just makes people powerless to change their circumstances. But it does feed and house them, which means they're not robbing me or you on the street.
    Youngagain
    19th Jul 2020
    8:36pm
    Stick to the topic, Hoohoo. This is about LANGUAGE - not physical violence. Nobody said punching people was okay. And I referred to 'welfare' as the general well-being of a person - nothing to do with social security or Centrelink handouts. This discussion is about LANGUAGE.
    BillW41
    9th Jul 2020
    11:21pm
    Er, Cali, who's the sook?
    Fred
    10th Jul 2020
    12:03pm
    Hoohoo I was reading your post see below and was wondering how you can be single Parents with an Abusive partner. If you are Parents you are not single, if you have an Abusing Partner you are not single. Maybe it is the new way of speaking but I would rather keep speaking the older way then the vast majority of people can understand me.

    And Gra, are you really worse off than asylum seekers in Nauru? Or single parents with an abusing partner? Are you homeless? Are you a Blackfella? Have you got a life-threatening cancer? Pray tell, what IS IT that you don't have that everyone else seems to get so easily?
    Hoohoo
    10th Jul 2020
    5:59pm
    Hi Fred, yes it was a bit of an oxy-moron. I have a niece with two primary-aged kids, who's former partner (& his new one - actually, he's had her all along) have been threatening the kids that they'll get full custody and when they do, they'll move away and won't let the kids have any internet time. All this while the niece's mum (who they all live with) has just died of cancer.

    My niece is a single parent but, as she doesn't have a new partner, she refers to her kids' father as her partner, even though he's her 'ex'. Maybe he'll be more of an 'ex' when she can rid herself of him, but right now she has to give him regular access.
    Crow
    10th Jul 2020
    9:19pm
    So easily offended are some. Grow a backbone. Get on with life
    ph
    12th Jul 2020
    12:36pm
    How many people say this without thinking of what it actually means. "a lick and a promise". Not sure if it would be considered misogynist although it's meaning would suggest it's directed at women.
    Youngagain
    13th Jul 2020
    8:47pm
    Time the language police and PC Brigade GREW UP. What a load of juvenile nonsense they carry on with! Offence is in the immature mind of the offended. Get over it! Destroying a rich heritage of language and custom isn't going to stop the self-serving fools who use claims of being 'offended' to cause upset and disruption. They will ALWAYS find a 'cause'.
    ph
    13th Jul 2020
    9:28pm
    I think all the middle aged white men on this site need to learn that language has power, and for the worlds people to progress all language that takes power away from another human being need to be sent to the trash heap of history. Harking for the past, decrying the changes in the way language is used just shows your lack of education. The positive about so many of these posts is that the authors will soon die away, literally.
    ozirules
    14th Jul 2020
    11:54am
    I dont think there's many middle aged men on this site ph, and aren't you a bundle of joy finding a positive in the thought that so many contributors will soon die off. I think you need to practice what you preach with offensive use of the language and get off your high horse before you get altitude sickness.
    john
    14th Jul 2020
    1:41pm
    Well the working mother, or father, that comment is a reflection on what has happened to the modern society where children a brought up initially by strangers( no, I don't mean grandparents) I mean the Western world thrives of greed , and costs are so high that instead of having a family that can be brought up by a parent, in the very important early years is not plausable because most in the billions of families that survive in the modern world MUST HAVE TWO INCOMES , oe they can't make ends meet.
    It is the greatest social crisis of our lifetimes, children not directed propelry and violence and bad behaviour is the result in some. So it has nothing to do with mysoginy male or female are capaple of looking after children and working mum should be a bleeding compliment, i'M A BLOKE i'VE WORKED AND LOOKED AFTER MY KIDS SPLITTING TIME OF WORK WITH LUCKILY EMPLOYMENT THAT SIUTED , (BLUE COLLAR EMPLOYMENT TOO) we were never easy going it always was a struggle.So that one where it as a badge of honour , because all the people who know what it is to work bring up kids and survive, they know how hard iot is. And single parents , well I am amazed at how they get by, of course some don't.
    And of course that goes right back to the basis , of how our modern economies work and how greed runs lots of us into debt to profiteering business' and investors, unfortunate truth hey!
    JAID
    17th Jul 2020
    7:50pm
    Well done John.

    Working Mother or Father is a compliment.

    We don't have to have children but if we do they deserve the best introduction we can give them and while some may be able to do that away at some office a dozen hours a day, I couldn't. Fortunately my type of work let me close up shop and work from home. (Constantly interrupted but the work still got done)
    john
    14th Jul 2020
    1:51pm
    I agree with Jim you don't have to be white to be racist, also HooHoo you are way off line hoo ever you are, misunderstanding , and a little rude, why is every other individual in your mind that would be really badly off, has to be anyone, but a white man, they are all so well off and life is easy, if you think that your a drongo.
    By the way look at Western society and think about what good things it has brought to the world, with education, it'll be that science and development the gets a vaccine for corona, and also that saved millions from polio etc, you know what I mean, ever been in a bloody aeroplane? If you are in trouble I'm sorry get it fixed, you can if you have a techno piece of machinery to comment on YLC with. Chip ? hey?
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    7:06pm
    I'm for ALL people getting a fair share, without singling anyone out.

    It just happens that old, white males seem to have control of most of our capital and resources, and worse, they don't want to share any of that power because they believe it's rightfully theirs, even if they inherited it (while their sisters missed out). It's called male entitlement. You'd be forgiven for not seeing it because it's so rampant throughout our society, it's almost invisible. Unless of course, you were the sister who missed out. Me.

    Don't be surprised when these powerful old, white males employ poor, white males to clean their toilet for them. They think you're just another loser who hasn't learnt how to push and shove, pull the strings, lobby the politician, know the law and how to make it work for them. It's so easy to get rich when you start off rich. Then the private school and the old boys' club. The seat of entitlement. THESE are the people who make your average white male think that other people (like women and migrants) are taking away their way of life. But in fact, THEY are the lords of everyone - we are just their pawns, whether we are male, female, white, black, purple, religious, non-religious, born in Australia or not.
    ozirules
    15th Jul 2020
    9:19pm
    Gee Hoohoo, what are you smoking......you wont single anyone out then you single out old white males.....isn't determining a persons character by age, colour and gender, agist, racist and sexist...doesn't that make you a bigot?
    Hoohoo
    16th Jul 2020
    6:59pm
    I am simply reporting reality. Do you disagree with my statement "It just happens that old, white males seem to have control of most of our capital and resources"?

    I'd love to be able to say it wasn't so, but it is. No bigotry on my part. You're a dill for trying that old line. Can I suggest it is YOU who's smoking his pipe while sitting by the fire singing to the missus "Put another log on the fire"?

    Entitled mate. You're the bigot.
    ozirules
    16th Jul 2020
    10:57pm
    Hoohoo you are very amusing. Do you ever read what you write. Love the capital letters to emphasize a point, beats logic every time. You must be so insightful to see, without knowing me, that I am entitled, I have a missus, I have a fire which requires logs and I can sing. You are truly amazing and here's me thinking that you were just a twit. My humble apologies. Oh and I thought the richest or maybe second richest person in Australia who controls most of our resources was a female called Gina.
    Hoohoo
    17th Jul 2020
    3:08pm
    One sow among the farm of boars. Can you name another female in the big rich boys club?

    Anyway, she inherited it and learned how to be a head kicker and bully, like her father before her, to keep control of her empire.
    Hairy
    14th Jul 2020
    4:35pm
    I dontgive a rats ass what phrases are right wrong what offends, get a bloody life all you bleeding minorities i dont care if you want to fill your life worrying about gender size position watever watever.just live or die it does not matter to me . Black white or rainbow im over it all.
    Hoohoo
    14th Jul 2020
    7:08pm
    Hey Hairy, males are the minority in our country. Are you bleeding? Have you got a life?
    JAID
    18th Jul 2020
    1:58pm
    BTW; Why that image of preening white self-satisfied cunningness? Don't black lives matter? Where is Shonda Rhimes, source of this round of silliness?
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