MP Pay Rise

The average salary of a backbencher has increased by $49,640 compared with a year ago.

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Just three months after our nation’s Federal ministers and senators received sizable pay rises, the independently administered Remuneration Tribunal has approved a three per cent pay rise. This means the average salary of a backbencher has increased by $49,640 compared with a year ago while the Prime Minister will be $129,064 better off.

A number of Federal ministers and senators have spoken out against the pay rise and called for its immediate scrapping. "Coming less than a week after the parliamentary paralysis in relation to asylum seekers, and only a few days after the introduction of the carbon tax, this will only fuel public anger at politicians generally", said Senator Nick Xenophon.

Finance Minister Penny Wong has defended the increase stating "I think that the best way to deal with it is the way we've tried to deal with it, which is to take politicians out of the equation and to give it to an independent tribunal, and they set politicians' salaries."

Comment – Reward for failure

It was only a week ago that our elected leaders failed us. They had the opportunity to make a real difference by putting their minds together and implementing a reasonable solution to the asylum seeker situation. Instead, our leaders stood firm and were unable to resolve the issue on the last sitting day of Parliament before six weeks break.

I am almost never surprised about the game of politics anymore, including Craig Emerson’s poor attempt at covering Horror Movie, but I was generally shocked to hear that the independently administered Remuneration Tribunal approved a pay rise for minister and senators. The rise which is double the rate of inflation comes three months after the largest increase to their pay-packets this decade and is simply un-warranted.

You would be hard pressed to argue that our Federal minister and senators do not deserve the salaries they are now being paid when you compare the figures to the private sector, but that does not mean they deserve a three per cent pay increase when they don’t get the work done. Imagine walking out of work for a six week ‘break’ with such a serious situation unresolved. In four out of five situations you would come back to no job.

Politicians need to be held accountable for their actions and the current Remuneration Tribunal, which approved the pay increase, is not acting in the best interests of those who elect and pay the salaries of our leaders.

Do you think the pay rise was justified? Are MPs and senators underpaid?

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    boverall
    5th Jul 2012
    12:13pm
    MPs have to forgo their freedom and that includes their family access and their freedom from public scrutiny. If we want people to represent us we need the best that money can buy. I have no regret that their pay is at the level it is.
    Yacca
    Aloysius
    5th Jul 2012
    1:10pm
    Have you noticed that they have extended breaks from sitting on a regular basis. They are on a six week winter recess at the moment. Must be tough.
    Smee
    5th Jul 2012
    1:57pm
    Service men and women forgo their freedom and family access and are willing to put their lives on the line, but do they get over 30% pay rises in a year. NO. Sorry, but they (the pollies) are just pigs at the trough. The excuse about "the best money can buy" doesn't mean we get the best, but only the greedy.
    Nan Norma
    5th Jul 2012
    3:23pm
    In deed, Smee. very well said.
    alamoe417
    5th Jul 2012
    6:14pm
    We havent got the best, and they are paid all this, FOR WHAT.They get travel, holidays, large payments on retirement, travel and car expenses, or cars given to them. I think this pay increase is a large insult to the Australian people. This is the second increase in 12months. Poor things must be tough, sitting on your ass all day, and nodding off.
    LENYJAC
    9th Jul 2012
    6:38pm
    GEE MRYACCA ARE YOU RELATED TO THESE BLOODSUCCERS
    Aloysius
    5th Jul 2012
    12:20pm
    MPs salaries in Australia are probably the highest in the Western world. The President of the USA gets $400,000US. The UK Prime Minister gets 250,000stg. Our PM gets nearly $500,000. They claim that we have to attract quality applicants but that is rubbish. You need to be sponsored by the party machine to be endorsed which means you need to be in the party machine. The ALP members lack real experience in general. They are mostly trade union leaders. The coalition also likes members to do an apprenticeship in the party machine. Many MPs were advisers to MPs before getting nominated. We now see the PM outsourcing policy to committees because it's too hard. If you can't do the job then hand the money back.
    Reppie
    5th Jul 2012
    12:23pm
    Just wondering here, if it is so easy to up the pollies incomes, why not put up pensions to just 10% of any of theirs? Yep I guess I am joking, but it is a nice thought. I might be able to actually get my heater out and even use it then!!
    Reppie
    5th Jul 2012
    12:25pm
    By the way Boverall, they did choose to become politicians, and part of the job description is long often odd hours, actually representing those who elected them. Two big increases in such a short time sux, to put it politely!!
    Abby
    10th Jul 2012
    4:50pm
    Two big increases do as you say Reppie but the politicians need more money to cover the costs for carbon tax.

    We all know they have bigger expenses jetting around the world making more pollution
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    5:03pm
    cute one Abby - are the fuel refineries exempt or part of the 500 worst polluters ?
    Princess Mary
    5th Jul 2012
    12:36pm
    The latest increase is more than we get combined as a pensioner couple IN A YEAR!
    I think that we should pay our politicians well, but NOTHING after they step down or retire. Except their superannuation.
    The perks they get while they work, and after they stop work, should be STOPPED!
    Oldie@83
    5th Jul 2012
    1:34pm
    Yes that makes sense; of course it will never happen. Pity we the electorate cannot sack the members who do not pull their weight; without waiting four years.
    Blondie
    5th Jul 2012
    3:31pm
    I agree with Princess Mary. I just received this year's annual raise of my super, which turns out to be 49 cents per fortnight...! Go figure.
    Politicians should not get any perks after retiring, only their already very nice Super.
    Wendy HK
    5th Jul 2012
    5:13pm
    I wouldn't mind the salary and perks while they are in office but to get all the freebies for LIFE - that's all of them! Just imagine what the ex pollies are reaping from the public purse - no wonder everyone else has to pay for their priveledges
    Aloysius
    5th Jul 2012
    12:39pm
    My super was increased by $28 per year on 1 July. The PM's was increased by an enormous amount. I presume we buy the same groceries and buy the same power(when we are not dining at taxpayer expenses or living in the fully subsidised Lodge).
    Reppie
    5th Jul 2012
    12:40pm
    Agreed Princess Mary, I guess in fairness, they should get their super at the same rate as all others, and maybe even if a few did the "Drew"and tried surviving on a pension, they might just see what a hard job it is.
    Aloysius
    5th Jul 2012
    12:45pm
    Don't for get that MPs also get generous allowances. For example, Peter Slipper gets FREE business-class air travel anywhere in Australia and overseas; provided he is on parliamentary, electorate or official business. He is paid $253 a night for staying in Canberra, and up to $371 a night for staying in other Australian cities. He also gets free car travel anywhere in Australia. This includes a COMCAR plus driver in Canberra; taxis; self-drive hire cars, and a private car for personal and family use (for which he has to contribute $711 a year), plus a fuel card to pay for petrol.

    And what will he get if he goes? If Peter Slipper resigns as an MP or is voted out at the next election he will get almost $114,000 a year (inflation proofed) for the rest of his life.
    Aloysius
    5th Jul 2012
    1:05pm
    In 2009 and again in 2010, Peter Slipper claimed more than $700,000 in expenses a year, at the rate of almost $2,000 a day. Yes, that's $2,000 a day. This included regular $300 taxi trips from Brisbane Airport to his home on the Sunshine Coast; a $15,800 study trip to Argentina; and annual vehicle expenses of more than $40,000.
    Troika
    5th Jul 2012
    12:53pm
    I don't believe they deserve this rise. They should not have an independent tribunal to decide on their rises but be treated like the rest of the community. We have many homeless, pensioners unable to live with neverending price rises, I haven't seen much done for them. The monies recently given will not cover price increases. This govenment has wasted so much of our money in the past few years I wonder how educated they are and who passed their maths exams, because they make some very strange decisions.
    Blondie
    5th Jul 2012
    3:35pm
    I wouldn't blame it just on this government. All the previous governments paid themselves well. Actually this government has cut down some of the benefits that parliamentarians get after retiring.
    Problem is that once people start getting that kind of money, they lose all sense of reality.
    Reppie
    5th Jul 2012
    12:56pm
    I will bet the so called independent tribunal was hand chosen by some of them. Logically, it has to have been -
    Princess Mary
    5th Jul 2012
    1:34pm
    I do expect that the politicians should get their superannuation - the same as everyone else...
    but not all the perks.
    And how come the opposition didn't oppose yet another pay increase?
    we have no choice in the matter
    Aloysius
    5th Jul 2012
    1:44pm
    Bur should they have the most generous super scheme in the land? The shortest qualifying period and the highest benefits.
    kianga0
    6th Jul 2012
    1:22pm
    Princess Mary, they cannot refuse the increase because the Labor Government, last year, passed a bill that pay all politicians salary increases recommended by the tribunal cannot be refused.
    Princess Mary
    5th Jul 2012
    1:42pm
    I'm with Aloysius - disgusting the allowances....surely it should come out of their wages since they get so much?
    jan5
    5th Jul 2012
    1:43pm
    who are the members of this independant panel?
    is it possible to find out ,or is this classified information.
    what are they afraid of.giving a satisfactory explanation?
    Smee
    5th Jul 2012
    3:30pm
    Jan. This link to a rather long document may help. Some names appear at the top. A copy of the review for the last 31% rise from October 2011
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/Parlrem#_Toc324405230
    Sylvia
    5th Jul 2012
    2:06pm
    When they fight to get into parliament, they should be handed a job discription, they in turn should hand in their resumes and that should be published for the people of Australia to peruse before they are allowed to stand for the job, we need people of the highest calibre to govern our country, but looking at what a shambles they are making of every thing I rather think they are not at all what this nation needs, before it is too late and we are bankrupt, we need that election, their super should be the same as every one elses, this is a democracy? Look long and hard who you vote for, God help Australia. These increases in their income are sickening at this time, just arrogantly grabbing everything, it is the old story, fiddling while Rome burns, Are any one of them honestly there for the love of our country?
    Blondie
    5th Jul 2012
    3:40pm
    I do know one MP who seems to be doing it for the country. It is Kate Lundy. She has real work experience: worked as a brickie after high school, and had a variety of other jobs before becoming a pollie. I think she worked her way thru Uni too. She's very knowledgeable and has common sense.
    We need more people like her.
    kianga0
    6th Jul 2012
    1:30pm
    Blondie, I for one would like to see her out on her ear. (Or should that be rear?) When the liberals put forward a bill to return parity for the defence force pensions ( they have lost 40% against the age pension) she, in the senate was very verbal about the need for the bill to pass and then voted it down and it was lost by one vote. Her excuse? The caucus said to vote NO! One Labor member said it would cost the country billions. What does that say about how much they have ripped off the ex-service personnel?
    aquatrek
    5th Jul 2012
    2:16pm
    http://www.remtribunal.gov.au/statementsreports/MPs%20Report%2015.12.2011.pdf
    319 pages of ...................... it didnt take them very long to get it all passed as law !!
    pigs at the trough indeed
    Boof
    5th Jul 2012
    2:28pm
    They come out of thewoodwork, and say, if you give them more money we will get beter Politicians. Rubbish. Look what happens when they throw money at the Aborigines. They go backwards. Pollies are a breed of their own. They do it because of the varied circumstances at the time, but mainly to get their "MUGS" on T.V. and the papers, and appear important. Neville Wran said when he was NSW premier, said that we should do away with STATE PARLIAMENTS. He was right of course. I say, let's change the CONSTITUTION, weak that it maybe and do away with the whole system, and start again. How do we do this? I dunno, but it should be done. Maybe like America or a combination of ours and theirs, but one thing is clear. We don't really want the one we've got now and it is getting worse. Why can't we call for ideas in the papers or mags like this one, or on the airwaves. Someone may come up with a good idea on what we could do. At present we have a SHAMBLES and THEY couldn't care less and are so far OUT OF TOUCH, with the people and reality. Good ridance to the lot of them.
    aquatrek
    5th Jul 2012
    2:34pm
    The CROPE report should be nicknamed the GROPE report because Oz citizens have been well and truly "fiddled" with - abused, sullied, ill-treated etc etc It all has the Ju-liar stamp of "pay rise by committee". Add on the Slipper spending farce. Equals Oz being on the slippery slope from a "fair go to all" to a "politburo" playground. Labour must go asap.
    lasaboy
    5th Jul 2012
    2:34pm
    Not only are they not underpaid, they are grossly overpaid, if they worked for me i would be demoting and reducing payment for gross misuse of powers and failure to achieve an outcome
    JJ
    5th Jul 2012
    2:53pm
    No, no, and no again! - to pay increases.
    Peaceful
    5th Jul 2012
    3:15pm
    I have just written a song about my thoughts on this, the second pay rise in almost as many months. I think the song, while having a 'jibe' at our Pollies, is quite pertinent to soem of the recent and on-going issues - but it's also funny. One of my friends suggested I should send it to one of the newspapers - but do they still exist ?!!
    Nan Norma
    5th Jul 2012
    3:32pm
    My paper is delivered every morning for $1
    rosemaryjune
    5th Jul 2012
    3:24pm
    I heard that the excuse of one of them was that they themselves pay their own local office employees ??? I wonder if that is true and when was the last time they gave them a pay rise. After all, they initially have to cope with the taxpayers first in a huge majority of cases.
    Aloysius
    5th Jul 2012
    5:22pm
    They get generous allowances (in addition to salary) to fully cover staff costs.
    LENYJAC
    5th Jul 2012
    3:29pm
    JUST WHO THE HELL DO THESE OXYGEN THIEVES..[over paid idiots} THINK THEY ARE BY EVEN CONTEMPLATING ACCEPTING THIS BULL$&#@**PAY RISE THEY WANT US TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS WHEN IT SHOULD BE THEM TAKING A LARGE PAY CUT....... LENYJAC
    motaleon
    5th Jul 2012
    3:33pm
    A swineherds reflections on the most expensive pigsty in the world.

    Snouts in the trough,
    Snouts in the trough:
    We're doing fine -
    You bugger off!
    Nan Norma
    5th Jul 2012
    3:37pm
    My mother once told me, that her mother told her, that politicians all pee in the same pot. Wise woman my grandmother.
    Boof
    5th Jul 2012
    4:02pm
    Has anyone got a solution as to how we can get rid of the system we've got now. I'm not just talking about PREFERENTIAL voting or the fact that we must have one of the other parties and the greens, but " HOW DO WE GET RID OF THESE CLOWNS OUT OF PARLIAMENT AND GET A NEW SYSTEM AND CONSTITUTION" AND WHAT SYSTEM WOULD YOU LIKE PUT IN IT'S PLACE. Keeping in mind that we are, by far, OVER-GOVERNED. By DRONGOES, to boot.....
    aquatrek
    5th Jul 2012
    4:18pm
    I studied this "over governing" last year in a Masters degree. The actual Oz "coal face" governing is done by the area shires/councils. They usually toe the relative state governing party line as to the "policies" and even get overruled by the state if the state sees fit. So it is quite obvious that either one of the two layers is "redundant". The governing model of preference would have to be something like they do in Europe.
    http://www.rogerdarlington.me.uk/Germanpoliticalsystem.html
    Yet the Oz system does have a leadership "vote of no confidence" clause which this opposition have tried to invoke but not successfully.
    downunder
    5th Jul 2012
    4:04pm
    OMG - I really don't know how these poor souls are getting by, they are soo under-payed and over-worked, it is amazing that they are not all on workers comp. I feel so sorry for them.
    diamond3
    5th Jul 2012
    4:36pm
    i am on a military pension after serving 21 years in the navy my 6 monthly rise was 78 cents per fortnight; cant wait for the next election
    downunder
    5th Jul 2012
    4:44pm
    Diamond3, I certainly feel for you and feel the same way regarding elections, but don't get your hopes up, the other mop is not one inch better, just listen to their ranting. All they want is get their snouts deeper into the trough. That is the sad reality.
    Joybells
    5th Jul 2012
    6:23pm
    Sadly diamond3
    men and women like you -and my husband-serve their country faithfully and many die for it or carry the scars-mental and physical the rest of their lives. And what thanks does this great country-run by these so called leaders, our politicians,give you once you retire. 78 cents rise a fortnight. Shame on them even thinking of taking this rise-but who when offered money for nothing says No thanks.Take an example in WA's Governor-he donated all his salary to charity.This pay rise is an insult to all hard working Australians and the aged people who made Australia great
    Boof
    5th Jul 2012
    4:54pm
    Thanx for your input AQUATREK. HOW DO WE CHANGE it? HOW DO WE INVOKE A NEW SYSTEM? HOW DO WE ADVERTISE THAT WE WANT A CHANGE. Assuming that the majority do want change, for the betterment of the country and it's people, before we come under "SHARIA LAW." DON'T LAUGH. THAT'S NEXT. They've already got one in Parliament. They are slowly moving into the area's where votes count and Aussies are moving out. I'm sorry. They are Aussies too. They will never integrate, though. I meant that the infidel Aussies are moving out., but I am getting off the track.
    SEEING THAT YOU'VE DONE A MASTER'S DEGREE. Could you not give some input as to how we go about changing the current system, for the better (and at the same time cut out the over-governing.) AQUATREK?
    aquatrek
    6th Jul 2012
    11:03pm
    Sorry Boof - no darn idea at all except that there are possibly better governmental systems but nothing is "perfect" though - to radically change something set in concrete means a public revolution and we haven't had any real practice at that - yet. Just how angry does Oz society have to get before something happens ? What would be the "tipping point" ? Who is prepared to put their life on the line because the government will swiftly bring force to bear ? Howard took Oz to war based on lies. Now Ju-liar has made lying an everyday commonality. 100 years later and this government is considering "codes of conduct" !!! The same with the Brits as the top level corruption gets exposed daily. Is Western Democracy losing its way ? A political scientist - which I am not - is the only sort of academic who might answer your question more fully.
    ariescards
    5th Jul 2012
    5:50pm
    I received brochures from two of my local members this week telling me how good the new school equipment was going to be for some of the schools in this area. Tell me, where are these children going to get jobs when they leave school? If any of our polititians were sincere about looking after the Australian public, they would firstly refuse to accept this latest pay rise. Better still what would happen if we the average Australian didn't turn up on election day in mass and not vote for any of them??????? We have no say in who the actual leader will be. Why can't the boats be stopped before they leave their country? And why can't the government of the day see that Eastern and Western cultures will NEVER be able to assimulate! When are the borders going to be closed and the Australian business companies enticed to come back to Australia and use the thousands of Australians that are now being unemployed? In other words what can the average Australian do other than write in a forum such as this do?????? I tried sending the numerous jokes and cartoons that arrive daily via my computer to the Prime Minister but all you get in an automated reply via email. Maybe I've watched too many "West Wing" espisodes years ago which truly enlightened me as to what really goes on behind the scenes. And as far as going in government, my understanding is that once they have served 8 years they are entitled for life a financial benefit which I think is "slightly" more that the fortnightly pension.
    Roo2
    5th Jul 2012
    5:58pm
    ARE these the best money can buy? Oh Please!!!!
    walr
    5th Jul 2012
    6:01pm
    I am completely disgusted with this bunch of overpaid, self praising, mob of dills. Why we have to put up with the bickering about everything and anything except their pay increases.
    Palmer is on the right track when he complains about lobbiests, notice they all disagree with Palmer, and any of these slings is on top of this terrible wage and conditions. I wish I knew what we could do without being branded as Commo's. It certainly worked for them in the past.
    particolor
    5th Jul 2012
    6:14pm
    FROM PUBLIC SERVANT>>TO PUBLIC MASTER!!
    Enjoy!! I think they deserve much more !! Stop Whingin like a Bunch of Pommies!!?? He! He!!
    PS..Still wondering how to spend my 10 Cents Pension Rise WISELY !!
    Abby
    10th Jul 2012
    4:56pm
    Hope you are not in a Nursing Home because you will not even see it.
    ariescards
    5th Jul 2012
    6:16pm
    http://www.cbn.com:80/media/player/index.aspx?s=/mp4/DHU227v2_WS

    This video arrived just after I made my entry. This is what truly worries me about my country. Who can we turn to if the government is not doing anything to solve this problem that is already taking over other parts of the world. I encourage you to watch this video - it confirms what I was saying in my comments. Just copy and paste this address to your browser.
    Nan Norma
    5th Jul 2012
    7:36pm
    I've just watched this video. It is quite scary. I fear for my children. We are being invaded right now and our politicians can't stop it.
    aquatrek
    5th Jul 2012
    6:39pm
    There are two blogs going on via this website - which incidentally and surprisingly attracts very few participants. One is to deal with the boat people dilemma and the other to deal with the exorbitant fed govt pay increases - both at the core of our federal government system. This democratic system has been in place for 100 years. That is to say about 3 generations. It may have started to reach a point where it's performance is unsatisfactory to a majority of the citizens. Yet change is not an easy thing to muster when the absolute power has been removed from the public arsenal. Look at Myanmar/Burma and the dedication of Ms Suu Kyi - how she is still alive today is truly amazing. Oz would need a revolution of some sort to inflict federal governmental change - and a leader/s to incite it. Historically the Eureka incident has some parallels. The leadership position/s is currently vacant.
    PJ
    5th Jul 2012
    6:52pm
    Underpaid pigliticians!!!!! oops sorry I meant politicians ????. They are paid way to much for what they do NOT do for us the people. No matter what party we vote for they all promise us to do all for our good. But, when they are the winning party we are forgotten. I am thinking of getting on one of the boats that the so called refugees come into Australia on so I can get medical help. Boat people get medical checks and so much more almost straight away, that a lot of us wait years for. I am one of those true Australians that are waiting for medical help. I also rent government housing & this week myself & so many others in the same position get a letter asking us would we share our home with strangers whom cannot find private rentals & are waiting on long lists to get a government home to rent. HELLO I was in same position myself years ago with 4 children & had to wait over 5 years to get the home I live in now. No way would I have asked to live in a strangers home & interupt their private lives. If the government turned these boats around maybe there would not be such a housing shortage for rentals. Come on appointed government get back from your 6 weeks holiday & do the job that you are paid with such massive amounts of monies & all the perks on the side.
    Nan Norma
    5th Jul 2012
    7:49pm
    Cherry May, I do feel for you. I would not want to be your position. I certainly would not want to have to share my my home with a total stranger. But you don't have to. The housing dept. is asking people that are living alone in three and four bedroom houses to move to something smaller so that a family, that might otherwise be living in a car, or on the street, will have a roof over their head. many people are waiting much longer than 5 years now.
    PJ
    5th Jul 2012
    7:21pm
    ariescards, I just watched the website you posted above. Its becoming so true in parts of the world. God forbid they take over our Christian Australian country.
    I believe our government has put this in the too hard basket. Lord Jesus hear our prayers & keep our country safe from those that would destroy our country & our wonderful freedom.
    Many thanks ariescards for entering this site for us to view.
    CindyLou
    5th Jul 2012
    8:11pm
    I understand that MPs need to be paid well given the responsibility etc. of their positions, however...pay increases when the country is in trouble is a joke and an insult to people who are struggling on a fraction of their wage.

    Realistically, how could someone on a huge income have any comprehension as to how difficult it is for those on lower incomes to survive. The MPs may make appropriate noises about concerns for people struggling, but clearly it is impossible for them to understand how critical the situation is for some many folk.

    Food, electricity, petrol, health care - all are now luxury items...what next, a tax on fresh air.
    Nan Norma
    5th Jul 2012
    9:59pm
    Cindylou It is greed. A person can only eat so much in a day, they can only ride in one car at a time, live in one house at at time. And if they are working the hours they say they are, then they don't even have the time to spend any money. So why on earth do that need all that? They don't. They are just plain greedy.
    Bobbie
    5th Jul 2012
    9:30pm
    What will you spend your pay rise on mrs P M. My wife and I got $6-00 Per F/night
    between us .Cant even buy lunch for one
    Cheers Bobbie
    professori_au
    5th Jul 2012
    11:09pm
    Hi All,
    Politicians are overpaid or rather accepting pay they are not entitled to. They are working for factions and not the people who put them there.
    Check the Commonwealth constitution. The people are their employers and they have been put there to carry out the Will of the People. We are not their servants and it is about time they realised that and also time for the people to become more aware of their rights.
    Our politicians have sold us out, sold out our industries, our land, and our resources.
    Just walked in the door and switched the computer on and read this forum. Had been to a meeting an EPA meeting and spoke with a director, stating that what laws and legislation they put into place needed to comply with the Commonwealth Constitution and in Victoria also with the 1855 Victorian Constitution not the invalid 1975 Victorian Constitution that was an attempt to bring in corporation constitution that will deny us of any Common Law Rights.
    People are becoming aware of our rights and what we would lose under a Corporation/admiralty Constitution, hence the number of class action cases reaching the High Court and higher.
    The 1975 Constitution is invalid for several reasons and a couple are that there was not an Monarch’s Assent Document signed, nor was there a referendum, nor was the 1855 Constitution repealed, subsequently it is still a legal Constitution and in Combination with Commonwealth Constitution is the Rule of law.
    Our incorporated councils breach all of these Commonwealth Constitution and the 1855 Victorian constitution.
    The premier Jeff Kennett and his parliament ignored the law, and by using the public’s lack of knowledge of its rights to illegally by sack the municipal councils under the 1855 Constitution; suspending elections; appointing handpicked commissioners to sell off the public assets; grab all revenue held in reserves, etc.
    There is no documents auditing the value of the sale of arts, treasures, building and equipment available to the public showing the value, where this revenue has gone and how much, etc.
    A high court decision established that this council are incorporated trading bodies with no right to tax or generate revenue as they have no legal standing under the Commonwealth Constitution or the 1855 Victorian Constitution. Any parliament that enacted legislation under the 1975
    Don’t take my word for it. You can do your own research. I have been doing this for many years and just a few days ago challenged our “local council’s” authority to sell off public assets and Crown land. It has since the Kennett’s amalgamation of councils been steadily selling of public assets and property and when asked where did the revenue go, were unable to provide an answer. Legally the land is owned by the Sovereign (the people) and I would suspect that any sales revenue should have gone back to the commonwealth for possibly redistribution. I won’t go any further into this, suffice to urge people to ask their own questions and undertake their own research. This council stated they needed to take legal advice, which I agreed with and stated they need advice from a Constitutional lawyer or a professor specialising in constitutional law.
    Effectively the council is in a bind as it wants to complete the sale of the properties I have objected to the sale. As I advised them that to get a resolution of their standing and legality might require a High Court Hearing.
    I might add a further question for the readers. Why has parliament appointed High Court judges based on corporate law experience instead of constitutional Law. Under the separation of powers the judiciary were not supposed to be appointed by governments through political affilliation.
    Regards
    professori_au
    5th Jul 2012
    11:16pm
    Sorry folks.
    In my hurry to try and pesn my comment I did not finsih the sentance about any parliament using the invalid 1975 Constitution as its seat of power is invalid. Any Acts, legislation or amendments or amendment of any Acts could be judged as invalid if teseted in the High court. However, there are other implications. legislation passed to protect public servants and their agent from prosecutions may find they are not protected and could face litigation from individuals or class action in the High court. I am not a lawyer, so this would have to receive advice from constitutional layers or specialist in constitutional law to confirm or deny this.
    bye
    professori_au
    5th Jul 2012
    11:38pm
    Reading back I note a comment that says our Constitution doesn't work and we need another one. There is nothing wrong with the constitution. However, we need to be aware there are vested interests who want to change it and introduce a new one that will take away those rights. It is the power brokers and vested interests both here and overseas that have ignored our Constitution and relying on the public lack of information have gradually interfered (illegally) with our Constitution. The same is happening in the USA and Great Britain. America has basically two Constitutions.
    The real one which was to protect the rights of the people and the Corporation constitution which seeks to deny those rights.
    The real one lies basically dormant and until the people wake up and demand that their representatives carry out the will of the people they will eventually find they are governed by the corporation and have no rights.
    Just a few days ago the Chairman of the British constitution Group was grabbed and taken from his family who were denied access or knowledge of his supposed crime; ; taken before a secret court; convicted and sentenced without the right to present any defence, etc. His crime? He withheld monies he claimed was being sent to the EU and was used to fund the wars in different countries, not because the people wanted to be involved with those wars but because vested interests wanted it.
    Crime, if any, normally would have gone to the local magistrates court as a misdemeanour but because he has a high profile and is educating the public of its rights vested interests consider him a danger, hence their reaction.
    unhappy voter
    6th Jul 2012
    12:10am
    M>P>,s payrise should be given to pensioners who worked to make this country what it is today,not these stuffed shirt pollies who bitch about each other play negative games about asylem seekers,pass bills that we never hear about sleep when parliament sits,fiil thier pockets with our money.Come on lets get real these pollies need a pay cut not a rise anyway the pollies control their salary tribunal so what a joke.
    unhappy voter
    6th Jul 2012
    12:10am
    M>P>,s payrise should be given to pensioners who worked to make this country what it is today,not these stuffed shirt pollies who bitch about each other play negative games about asylem seekers,pass bills that we never hear about sleep when parliament sits,fiil thier pockets with our money.Come on lets get real these pollies need a pay cut not a rise anyway the pollies control their salary tribunal so what a joke.
    piklo
    6th Jul 2012
    6:56am
    Gooday people
    Its got to be a big joke homeless people in australia , thousands of familys liveing way below the poverty line possibly most of them thru no fault of their own ,put off work , family tradigies , icapable of budgeting because of lack of education many many factors and we have thousands of illigels pouring into this contry to full bourd three meals a day medical dental free mobiles to ring family , politicians getting huge pay rises every three mths because they think they are doing a good job ( poss some are ) shame shame shame we need to get a big brush sweep the floor clean plus all the dust in the wings ie past goverment ministers and start to get this country back on track and mr boveral you must be one of the rich and retired ones that dont care about your fellow country people to make a comment like that I to like most assies have worked our butt off and paid our taxes all our lives but you must see how its wasted by what ever goverment that is in power what happend to the grey army ?
    Great granny
    6th Jul 2012
    8:01am
    I watched Dame Edna being asked: "How could our Prime Minister lift her popularity with the people" - in one word Dame Edna came back with: "RETIRE" - so funny!
    ...............then I watched the Girl Guide spokesperson saying the Girl Guides have done away with serving God and the Queen for fear of hurting people of different faiths feelings! - not so funny - you see the rot has begun!
    AlbertC
    6th Jul 2012
    8:10am
    take payrises for pollies out of the hands of goverment paid beurocrats and put it in the hands of the people via a voteing system. as for money for the best on all pollies going by their performance they should except a pay decrease and bow their heads in shame. and appoligise to the australian comunity. have a nice day.
    ariescards
    6th Jul 2012
    10:20am
    This is a very sincere question: What can the average person do other than voice their individual thoughts in forums such as this re the current government problems in Australia today? I can come up with lots of questions but I don't have the ability to do anything about them as one person. How can we the average person in Australia get our thoughts across to those people elected to govern this country? If anyone has the answer or a solution, please let us know as it is obvious that I am not alone with the frustration as to what is going to happen in Australia. I am not of the superanuation generation but my adult children are. I would not vote for either present leader, not that we really have any say in it but on a parting note if I see Tony Abbott with one more fish net on his head, I will physically hunt his minders down. If I wanted a brilliant clown to run this country I would be voting for Dame Edna.
    ariescards
    6th Jul 2012
    11:00am
    http://www.cbn.com:80/media/player/index.aspx?s=/mp4/DHU227v2_WS

    This video arrived just after I made my entry. This is what truly worries me about my country. Who can we turn to if the government is not doing anything to solve this problem that is already taking over other parts of the world. I encourage you to watch this video - it confirms what I was saying in my comments. Just copy and paste this address to your browser.

    I am repeating my entry made yesterday for the benefits of those who may not have read it. However this email just arrived on my computer this morning re the other main issue that is being discussed on this forum. If anything it is confirming what we have all been discussing. Please watch it
    "http://www.youtube.com/embed/uEgSbof-qcg"
    Multidisab
    7th Jul 2012
    1:13pm
    I am deeply shocked by this video, noticing that everything would be 'allowed or not allowed".
    What about individual free will?
    What about freedom of speech?
    What about the freedom to be yourself?
    Instead the imam uses words like forms of religion cannot be combined? Of course there can be Christian Jews, one denotes race, the other beliefs.
    Very fundamentalist, and I hope the local Muslims aren't spying to make jihad on freedom people...
    Jen
    6th Jul 2012
    12:53pm
    I'm torn. Whilst I want politician's salaries to attract the best, this isn't happening. Very few in either side of Parliament are the best at anything. A sprinkling of very well educated people, but that's all - even these are woeful at the job. The problem is, salaries in the private sector for CEOs, is so over the top (the world over) that these huge rises in pollie's salaries, are seen as relatively small in the business world. I do think politicians will be attracted to the job for the "glamour" if that's the right word, the power, perhaps, even if salaries were lower.

    Whilst Australians are mostly having to tighten their belts, the least I would like to see is politicians refusing the rise as a mark of respect to all the men and women who are working very hard for much less, due to world economic conditions at present. Not that that's going to happen.
    Waytoopoortobeme
    6th Jul 2012
    2:31pm
    No I do not think the recent Pollies wage justified. I only wish I had had the brains to utilize a free University education all those years ago, so that I might have used it as a stepping stone to a back bench. I certainly would not be as worried about where the money is coming from for the winter gas-electricity bill. As a full-time carer 4 a number of years, I am dependant on a Government pension. Oh yes but I get a concession Ms Gillard. Can someone pleese tell Ms Gillard that it is a Claytons discount, the discount you get but you dont get . The one where they deduct your concession from your usage, then take it back in the other hand by adding on the gst charges.
    Oldie@83
    6th Jul 2012
    3:43pm
    To those who advocate a change in the system of government in Australia.
    Perhaps Switzerland has the answers, where people always have an input.
    Go to your web search and write in 'Switzerland Government' there are many articles on the subject. I seem to recall that years ago this proposal was raised here by a new party. Citizen Representation?? I would like to hear wise comments please.
    alfing
    6th Jul 2012
    3:57pm
    If polititions could make more money in private enterprise, let them go to private enterprise.
    lillian
    6th Jul 2012
    4:49pm
    this week a received a letter from the commonwealth super board
    and guess what? I got an icrease of 59 cent a fortnight.
    whoa!!!!
    jfonshea
    6th Jul 2012
    6:14pm
    at least now after the next election we may get pollies who have got some brains and commonsense... the old story if u pay peanuts u get monkies.. well weve got them maybe now we may get people who can run the country fairly john... brissie
    Princess Mary
    6th Jul 2012
    6:20pm
    but we have the same pollies - who don't seem to be particularly bright? and now getting more money. might take a bit of time to attract others who have the skills and wisdom we need
    ariescards
    6th Jul 2012
    6:43pm
    http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au:80/news/mp-pay-rise

    Dear Mr. Melham,
    I am sending you this Forum of which I have made some entries under the name of ariescards. I received your recent brochure on my thoughts for the schooling of our children but after getting involved with this particular forum I decided to send its address to you in the hope that you will read the comments made by people like myself who need the help of somebody like yourself and if not you, then hopefully you may know who to contact to further this very sad issue.

    This forum has some very constructive comments from the average Australian who is feeling the same frustration that I am feeling. I personally don't know what to do other than participate in this forum but when I remembered your brochure I am hoping that this information may be of help to you in doing whatever is needed to get this country back to the way it used to be. A democratic country who believes in giving all a fair go.

    FOOTNOTE: Maybe if everybody were to send a similiar letter to their member maybe that would be a start. Darryl Melham chairs the Electoral Matters Committee and is the Federal Member for Banks. I agree with Princess Mary, we can't just sit back and do nothing. Something has to be done BEFORE the next elections.
    professori_au
    6th Jul 2012
    7:55pm
    Hi All,

    I agree we need to pay good people as politicians.
    What about a performance based salary, assessed by the people who elected them. I think we would hear a wail such as you would never hear but it might make them work for we, the people:)
    dehnsden
    6th Jul 2012
    9:58pm
    At the next election we should vote for whoever says they will be paid on performance and not how much bull they spin and the voters should get the final say and not some elected official.
    Would they go to Canberra for the average salary and they should be paid the same super as the rest of us and not be able to touch it till retirement.
    speakup
    7th Jul 2012
    3:01am
    I think it is a great idea to have M.Ps wage rises decided by an independant Tribunal made up of Australian Pensioners
    When is the Australian Government going to stop taking the PXXS out of us and treating us (the Taxpayers,where their wages come from) like Morons
    JAMES
    lala
    7th Jul 2012
    9:48am
    Well, I think they, the pollies are all out to feather their own nest of course. They retire with their wages still being paid to them, I reckon most of them are there just for that. The present party won't get in again, but they still get their money. We ordinary people, who are mostly more intelligent than them have to retire with the pension that is a pittance. Actually I'm thinking of pretending to rob a bank so that I can spend the rest of my life in jail, at least I will get 3 good meals , a bed, and best of all NO BILLS. AND NO WORRIES. AND I WON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR ANY OF THEM.
    ariescards
    7th Jul 2012
    10:18am
    Please watch this U-tube from a British point of view. Our problem is world wide. I found this video that arrived this morning very scary but worth sharing. Please copy and paste it to your browser.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjOd-A5HDM
    Doodlebug44
    7th Jul 2012
    11:20am
    Where is Tony Abbot's big mouth now??? Why isn't he shouting down his payrise like he disagrees with everything else the government does. What do we do at the next election with the bunch of bozoes we have to choose from??
    aquatrek
    7th Jul 2012
    11:45am
    Read or re-read George Orwell's 1984 - Quote "And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed - if all records told the same tale - then the lie passed into history and became truth.'" Unquote Book 1, Chapter 3. In the story there is the core concept of Thoughtcrime - punishable by death. Depressing to say the least. Maybe it is just around the corner as Western style Democracy collapses. There is not a unique society on earth that has been continuous up to the 21st century. They have all failed at some point. Read or re-read Jared Diamond's "Collapse". Now for the good news ...........................
    aquatrek
    7th Jul 2012
    12:18pm
    http://lpickering.net/item/11I4TWMT2MEMH3O
    toot2000
    7th Jul 2012
    4:25pm
    At the last British election, the number of Muslim MPs doubled from four to eight, and included three women, I'm wondering if that could one day happen here.
    aquatrek
    9th Jul 2012
    8:13pm
    Al Akhbar
    speakup
    8th Jul 2012
    2:31am
    Dont wonder about it ,we are always a little behind the rest of the world but it will happen here, just look at the way Sydney is heading .What is the reason for this, simple we do not learn from the rest of the worlds mistakes.Multiculuralism has not worked in any other country why should it work here.All the fuss about few illegal imgrants arriving by boats ,what a joke ,they are arriving here with forged passports that can be purchased in Asia, or on holiday visas and simply staying here after their visas have expired with the aid of forged documents
    ariescards
    8th Jul 2012
    9:25am
    Who-ever thought this up is a genius, they need congratulating. this email arrived this morning.
    Dear Ms. Gillard,
    Please find below our suggestion for fixing Australia 's economy.
    Instead of giving billions of dollars to banks that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan..
    You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:
    There are about 10 million people over 50 in the work force.
    Pay them $1 million each severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:
    1) They MUST retire.
    Ten million job openings - unemployment fixed
    2) They MUST buy a new Australian car.
    Ten million cars ordered - Car Industry fixed
    3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed
    4) They MUST send their kids to school/college/university - Crime rate fixed
    5) They MUST buy $100 WORTH of alcohol/tobacco a week ..... And there's your money back in duty/tax etc
    6) Instead of stuffing around with the carbon emissions trading scheme that makes us pay for the major polluters, tell the greedy bastards to reduce their pollution emissions by 75% within 5 years or we shut them down.
    It can't get any easier than that!

    P.S. If more money is needed, have all members of parliament pay back their falsely claimed expenses and second home allowances.

    If you think this would work, please forward to everyone you know. If not, please disregard.

    Grumpies of the World Unite
    Also ..
    Let's put the pensioners in jail and the criminals in a nursing home.
    This way the pensioners would have access to showers, hobbies and walks.
    They'd receive: unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they'd receive money instead of paying it out.
    They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.
    Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.
    A guard would check on them every 20 minutes and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.
    They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.
    They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counselling, pool and education.
    Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free, on request.
    Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens.
    Each senior could have a PC a TV radio and daily phone calls.
    There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to.
    The criminals would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised.
    Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week. Live in a tiny room and pay $600.00 per week and have no hope of ever getting out.
    Think about this (more points of contention):
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    THE AUSTRALIAN CONSTITUTION They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq ... Why don't we just give them ours?
    It was drawn up by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for centuries and we're not using it anymore.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
    The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse or Parliament, is this -
    You cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal', 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians...... It creates a hostile work environment.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Also;
    Think about this .... If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone -- YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! It is time for us grumpy old folk of Australia to speak up!
    walr
    8th Jul 2012
    6:07pm
    I hear people continually referring to paying top salaries, etc. to these donkeys, I think we should pay for what we get, and, that ain't much. They have themselves so well protected, that we can't do much anyway. I am a pensioner, when I think of the way I have worked for this country, and still do, on a voluntary basis, for the reward of my pension (no super in my day)and then watch these cruds stripping this country dry, my blood boils. Where are the great dreamers, where are the people who love this country and it's people. Remember Howard's $60,000 chair, remember the payout for a politician who fell off a bike, at 78 years of age I feel like I have been raped.
    aquatrek
    8th Jul 2012
    6:24pm
    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-budget

    after removing the annoying add
    alter the selection parameters to be Jan 1980 > Jul 2012
    each huge dip is the effect of Labour party policy
    its a wonder that the Coalition keeps dragging us back out again
    a picture tells a thousand words [cant insert it into here though]

    the newspapers and tv should publish this but I have never ever seen it 'out there'
    professori_au
    8th Jul 2012
    11:18pm
    Hi All,
    The Rights of the people of the Commonwealth of Australia is complex and it is difficult to cover in this forum. However if you will bear with me I will try and explain some of the issues involved. Further research will provide anyone greater information than I can provide.
    The people’s contract with the government of the day began when the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution was proclaimed in 1901 and is our people’s protections, our seat of power and our Rule of Law.
    However, it is important to realise that there is no Constitutional Parliament in Australia at the present time. All Parliaments State and Federal have breached the people’s contract and by ignoring the Commonwealth Constitution and have governed as a corporation.
    Furthermore, the Present government under Prime Minister Julia Gillard and co. is trying to hoodwink the Australian people into cutting the contract that is our Commonwealth Constitution, protecting our rights and replacing it on a Republican corporate (Admiralty law) style of Constitution where not even property ownership, nor common Law rights exist. Under corporation law the people have no rights.
    It is time for the people to demand that our Parliaments govern in accordance to the Rule of Law, and to show reason why it has breached that contract to impose its own corporate government.
    Changes made by either Labor or the Coalition parties are not valid or legal except under the Commonwealth Constitution or the legal States constitutions, without going to the people via a referendum.
    They would avoid this because why would the people want to give up a system of law that protects their rights for one that takes them away. It needs to be re-instated.
    I have heard arguments “we don’t want to be told by Westminster what are law should be. These arguments are not valid as it was Australians that designed with some assistance from Canada and American’s experience.
    Anyway, it does not matter where it comes from as long as it protects the people it intended to do. While there were issues built around the cultures of the time, the framers of the constitution recognised that the colonies would seek independence and built in to it a way that the constitution could be changed to meet the future but protected it from being taken over by vested interests by requiring that it could only be changed by a referendum requiring a majority of the state’s votes and also the majority vote of the people.
    People are gradually becoming more aware how their rights are being taken away and there is the start of several Class and individual High court actions, at various stages, challenging what has been done.
    There is also a generation of legal students wanting to specialise in constitutional law.
    Rumbel v Liverpool Plains council is one successful case and will affect future decisions.
    WA attempted twice to attempt unsuccessfully to secede from the Commonwealth of Australia.
    In 1917 Queensland sought via a referendum to do away with the Senate and was unsuccessful.
    Queensland has been for years attempting to install its own corporate Government of Queensland by using subterfuge by not recalling the Senate.
    Legally it claims the senate has not been dismissed but sitting have been postponed as a result of the 1922 flu epidemic resulting in there being not enough members to form a quorums. This postponement resulted in the Senate being adjourned sine die, i.e. meaning until a later time.
    Not wanting to breach the Constitution by getting rid of the Senate it decided not to recall it and subsequently the government is not operating a constitutional parliament. It is in effect governing as a corporation government or as a foreign government.
    Despite having no legal authority from the people to do this, for reasons beyond my ken, our commonwealth Government has not called the Queensland government to account.
    In 1975 the Victorian tried to change to the Government of Victoria by bringing in its 1975 Constitution, which is invalid and illegal, as it did not follow Due Process, or failed to take it to a referendum or to have the Monarch’s assent document signed where the monarch agrees to the changes. Also the Victorian constitution 1855 was never repealed, hence still takes precedent.
    The Premier Jeff Kennett’s government further ignored the law by seizing the unincorporated municipal councils, sacking councillors and employees, suspending elections and then appointing Commissioners to sell off public assets and claim all revenue held in reserves including grabbing the public utilities.
    Don’t forget the teaching of the Constitution was discontinued around 1974, leaving at least a generation that does not know we had a constitution. He was able to get away with it due to the public lack of knowledge of their rights to be able to challenge his actions. People are more aware now, hence the challenges authorities are facing.
    Council have no standing under the Constitution as with the federation and exchange of powers the States became the local government responsible for the provision of local community services. This achieved via delegation to unincorporated municipalities under the legal 1855 Victorian Constitution.
    Getting rid of the municipality councils firmed the Kennett government’s grip on Victoria.
    By amalgamating councils and incorporating those as trading corporations with an ABS number allowed information to be kept from the public. We do not know just how much money is held in investment accounts, where the funds were obtained or the amount of interest generate.
    The interest alone is interesting, as it is likely that it may not have been drawn, hence the interest would be accruing, e.g. interest on interest. Also it is unlikely that these funds would sit there but would be invested in higher gain returns.
    Alleging that Victoria was in massive debt is questionable and probably a political PR exercise. The potential revenue from the sale of Public assets, e.g Hospitals, Schools, etc Also add the public assets of each council, including the revenue held in reserves, has never been made public.
    Where is it?
    Had his action been legal then the money, being the people’s money should have been paid to the Commonwealth for re-distribution, so there was no guarantee that it would be used to pay any alleged debt.
    I worked as an auditor for a time in the Public service and saw how accounting was poetic accounting in favour of the government’s wishes.
    Many of these figures are book figures with departments charging each other, etc. The same method used by companies, using “bottom of the Harbour and other methods to hide their true position and reduce their tax liabilities, depending on what they want the public to believe.
    Any legislation to protect any public servant and their agents may find that the legislation if challenged in the High court or Higher courts may find them invalid and as a result they have not protection they thought and could face litigation for a breach of duty and other legal reasons.
    This raises a question whether invalid governments can be held accountable by the people, with the possibility of facing goal term. The next consideration would be whether those who were part of the privatisation and purchasing of public utilities are accountable as accessories after the fact.
    Many of these public utilities were built by the locals, raising the necessary money and without government funding. Therefore they were not by any stretch of the imagination belonging to any government.
    At present, as a result of the local council asset being gradually reduced as they are sold to commercial and other interests I have challenged the incorporated councils authority to sell off public assets.
    They claim they have the authority under the Victorian Lands Act, which has been amended from what it was before 1975. I told the hearing that any Victorian government since 1975 using the invalid 1975 Constitution as its power base could find that it might impact on any other new Acts, amendment to any Acts or regulations by repeal, etc. may find they are also invalid, especially if they are not consistent with the Commonwealth Constitution or the Victorian 1855 Constitution.
    The council was unable to respond and advised it needed legal advice. I agreed, recommending they needed a Constitution Lawyer or a law professor specialising in Constitutional Law.
    Until then it was recommended that council cease any further actions until the matter was resolved to the satisfaction of the people.
    I sought another public hearing so that the public can hear what the advice they had received and check its validity. Reluctant to agree to I was advised that it was not usual. I stated they were denying the public social justice; the Public’s Right to Know; failing its duty of care as well as ignoring international law.
    I also declared I found it somewhat disconcerting discussing this with an organisation that might not have any standing and was therefore illegal as it did not exist under the Constitution.
    Doodlebug44
    9th Jul 2012
    12:55pm
    So what can we do about it?? How does the ball start rolling? It's time to stand up and be counted and make these people listen. We've had enough of their lies (no carbon tax in any government I run) no tolls on the Eastern (toll)freeway, Victoria will have the best paid teachers in the country. Even illegal boat arrivals get a better deal than Australian pensioners, jumping the housing queue, free overseas phonecalls, prompt medical treatment.
    I recently heard on the radio, $4,000 a week is spent on cigarettes for them, and who is going to pay for their lung cancer treatment???
    I doesn't seem to matter which party the present pollies belong to, they are all out to line their own pockets and sod the rest of us.
    LENYJAC
    9th Jul 2012
    6:46pm
    I CANNOT SAY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FOR FEAR OF BEING ARRESTED FOR TREASON
    aquatrek
    9th Jul 2012
    7:02pm
    go on - be the 1st - we all support you - someone has to go 1st !!
    aquatrek
    9th Jul 2012
    7:44pm
    tonight on ABC - Q&A - Malcolm Malcom Malcolm Malcom Malcolm Malcom Malcolm Malcom
    Malcolm Malcom Malcolm Malcom Malcolm Malcom Malcolm Malcom hail Malcom
    professori_au
    9th Jul 2012
    7:58pm
    I would suggest that what we need to do is to tell all Australians about our Commonwealth Constitution.
    We should demand that our children have the Commonwealth Constitution taught from an early age and how it has evolved and will continue to evolve as we become wiser in such a way that no one shall be discriminated regardless of colour, race, creed, religion, sex, physically or intellectual disability. There is no reason why Australia cannot become a role model to show how a country with such a wide background can live in harmony and respect for each other and not try to exploit the vulnerable.
    Make sure they understand what the vested interests are trying to do by replacing it with a?? Constitution that will not protect our rights, but allow government for the elite and also for the benefit and powers from other countries.
    Our governments for years have been selling us out right and left.
    We need to demand our elected MP's work for us, the people and not the party room factions. We elected them to work for us and to carry out our directions.
    They are not entitled to be there if they refuse and we should let them know that they will not be there at the next election.
    We want our rightful government to represent us and to govern using our rule of Law that is our commonwealth Constitution.
    Vested interests have done a good job keeping the public ignorant of their rights but now the public is becoming aware we need to keep the impetus going.
    I do not see why we the people cannot charge the politicians. After all they are our servants. We are not their' servants. Behaving as they have been is not acceptable by the people who put them there and them taking money on false pretensions.
    The people were not asked should they have an increase in salaries, pensions or any other goodies that are denied the rest of us. The so called independent Tribunals are not as they rely on the good graces of those who appointed them to keep their jobs.
    In my view, what was done in Victoria was nothing short of criminal and unfortunately the public did not understand their rights and the parliament should have been sacked and the rights of the people reinstated and where appropriate charges laid against any politician/public servant who misused their power and responsibilities.
    I am trying to find out how foreign countries/corporations can buy our land and resources without the consent of the people, possibly via a referendum. To date there has been a thunderous silence when requests are made for information.
    Hopefully this challenge requiring information about where they received the authority and how an illegal or invalid parliament and council can sell off our public assets and seize public revenue.
    If these non Constutional Parliaments continue to play there games of breaking up the commonwealth of Australia via secession, trying to illegally change the constitution and bringing in invalid State Constitution as “The government of XYZ State” as a corporation we will have the states returning to 6 or seven little foreign countries that are not protected and gradually lose our rights to the banking industry or to multinational corporation that will crack the whip and tell us what we can have.
    If that is the scenario you want, then sit back apathetically, sneer at warnings and then cry in your beer, if you can afford it, about what a terrible thing has happened.
    You, you and you, Mr and Mrs have the power to demand that the government return to the people. Our Parliaments and judiciary have sold us out but we can change all of that with various means even Class Action and taking it to the High court and even higher courts than Australia.
    We had a beautiful country and we can still have it. A general picture of Australia that is seen by many overseas countries and people, including those I have spoken with on the internet is:
    Australia is a toxic dump
    Australia is resources that can be taken cheaply
    Australia can be a tourist resort.
    What do tourists want? They want to see beauty, they want to see disaster and gasp and say how this country can allow it to happen and then they return feeling smug and superior to those people in Australia who do not realise what they have/had.
    They have the right to feel superior because we have allowed it to happen
    Let us change that.
    Do not think it is now in the too hard basket.
    The way to make change is to make the effort and the first step.
    I believe it was an uncomfortable "council “committee I addressed and their only response was to seek legal advice.
    The reality is that they should not have needed to seek legal advice. They should have known but chose to sit tight until they were questioned.
    I hope that many others start questioning until it becomes a flood.
    I am not doing it for kudos. I am 79 and every year I live is a bonus and I am satisfied with that. What I really want is to ensure future generations can live in a country they control and not foreign countries.
    The biggest con that was put on the Australian people was the "level playing fields and global" economy.
    What this meant was really level playing fields/global economy = World Bank.
    World Bank probably at that time meant the USA as it was the most powerful and richest country. The common denominator was to improve the well-being of the third world people but to reduce society to where they paid the least in wages, where you can pay little for resources and return them as value added commodities that the country could have produced itself and so on so that the multi-national banking system could control the money and also control our standard of living.
    I doubt that with a few exceptions the third world poor have been able to improve the living standards. Corruption and greed has made billionaires of the ruling classes of those countries.
    Australia had a good, though small manufacturing base, with full employment.
    It was protected by a tariff system that did not deny those who want e.g. vehicles from other countries but these paid a tariff to ensure that they could not do that at the expense of Australian workers and citizens.
    Now that base has been destroyed. Our industry training has been gutted so companies can say there is not the experience or quality of training available so can we bring in qualified people from overseas.
    Our governments have fail to support Research and Development and those in Australia who have done research have to sell their efforts to overseas corporation thus we lose the potential industries and employment opportunities.
    The levels of unemployment, de-skilling of our work force and the destruction of what was once recognised as some of the best industrial training in the world
    Let us look at who is on welfare and consider those who were in privileged and affluent positions that supported the breakdown of our industry and who were willing to pay specialist in breaking up companies so that those overseas share investors could make greater profits and when the business could no longer support them, moved off to another and did the same again.
    They and they alone are responsible for the loss of our manufacturing industry and the exploitation our resources, those who used their power in the market place to lobby or buy politicians, etc.
    Our population had grown to the extent where it would grow on itself and continued to buy our own products because our standard of living was sufficient we could do that.
    Instead our governments broke down the tariff protection and allowed cheaper goods to compete against ours. The buying public did not understand that they were causing the loss of our own quality manufacturers and have come to accept quality and cheaper products as the norm.
    Well let us look at those on social security and you will see that many of these have been the cause of our high
    Ford
    Holden
    Shell
    Alcoa
    Electricity, gas and Water companies that our parliaments have sold to overseas companies so the profits go off shore.
    And many more multinationals.
    These companies have no loyalty to Australia and when the hand-outs stop will have no compunction in leaving to find another country they can exploit.
    My view would be to support the making of Australian companies that employ Australians
    Need I go on? Look at the millions of social security paid out to some of these companies in order to try and keep them in Australia. They grab the money and then still cut jobs.
    I would like to know the full amount that is paid to these companies as incentive payments to keep them here, while their parent companies smile a drool at what gullible people we are.
    Yes I may seem angry and frustrated because I am. Not for myself. I do not need much, but for our future generations.

    Regards
    aquatrek
    9th Jul 2012
    8:12pm
    except for an upper echelon [the politburo] your grandkids and mine will all be on the Basic Card - socialism gone stark raving mad
    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/income-management
    professori_au
    9th Jul 2012
    11:11pm
    Will Ford, Holden, shell, alcoa and such others also be on it. they are doing pretty well with the politicians giving them handouts from the taxes. Much better than we pensioners who worked to build this country and these companies up. They take their profits along with their "social security"payment.
    toot2000
    10th Jul 2012
    7:39am
    The pollies' excuse is "It's nothing to do with us, it's the independent tribunal's fault." Well I would like to know the names of these people, let's have a look at them, who are they and how do they get elected?
    scrooge
    10th Jul 2012
    11:43am
    O dont I wish for the same very very generous people to give us poor pensioners a farsical rise in our pensions like the hungry politicians just received. (I mean it too )We would all be on cloud nine.Is this the Carbon tax rise (hope they can see the way clear to help us out) Very much doubt it ???????.
    Doodlebug44
    10th Jul 2012
    12:03pm
    Again I ask, how do we get the ball rolling and get something done? We can all join in this forum and tell everyone how unhappy and angry we are, but what can we do about it????
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    12:07pm
    very little apparently as pointed out by Sir Malcolm on Q&A last night
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    12:11pm
    and both he and wanna be Coalition Bowen said that they only knew about the rises by reading it in the newspapers ............................ credibility -100 each
    toot2000
    10th Jul 2012
    3:42pm
    Agree, keep praying for something diabolical to happen that forces an early election, it's our only hope.
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    3:52pm
    toot2000 - I can conjure up what you hint at but my stomach turns at the thoughts. Those who do actually practice that verb word that U used should make something happen and then we will all 'believe'. We can do aught but wait.
    robby
    10th Jul 2012
    2:24pm
    Hi professori_au, I have read, with great interest, your article on the Constitution. Is this your personal opinion of the lack of application of our Constitution, or have you extracted & precied this from a lengthier work? I would like to also pass this on to innes who will be very interested in your work. Can you suggest any suitable, non Law School, source of more information on the Constitution?
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    3:08pm
    There is a way to make changes yet each time that the polly wafflers use it it fails - referendums. Did Howard call a referendum to go to war ? na So do you think that a referendum will be called for the boat people solution ? na So do you think that a referendum will be called for the Carbon Tax repeal [the environmental tax that we didnt have to have] ? na So do you think that a referendum will be called to lift pensioners income to at least level with the 'poverty line' - wherever that is ? na So do you think that a referendum will be called to dismiss the polly wants a cracker or 2 or 100 Renumeration Tribunal and install a fairer system ? na na na na na na na na
    robby
    10th Jul 2012
    4:23pm
    I don't know why you are attacking me aquatrek. I didn't mention Referenda. But, seeing that you brought the matter up, why would the Government have a referendum on any of these subjects, as none of these decisions requires an alteration to the Constitution?
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    4:31pm
    whoa there - I am not 'attacking' anyone - I am saying that any constitutional change would require a referendum and they have a history of not making change. Surely going to war should be a 'referendum' issue - not some political party decision at the time ? As for the rest I was just ranting driven by frustration - sorry Robby.
    ariescards
    10th Jul 2012
    4:59pm
    There has to be someway that the average Australian citizen can have their words heard by those who can help them. There are lots of genuine questions and comments on this Forum but not one positive solution in how to start solving the problem. Look at the Electricity situation where somebody started the "Big Switch" and just by joining its format the electricity companies from what the news is stating is starting to get concerned. Can we over 50's not do something like this???????? I forwarded this Forum onto my local member but as yet have heard nothing back. Apart from that all I can think of is don't vote next election. Just hand in a blank form so that you don't get fined. The government would certainly be sure that the fine is charged.I am just so frustrated with what I hear on the news and fed up with even listening to the so called commentators voicing our fears but still nothing is being done. So please don't take anything that I have written personally other than I join all of you in feeling so frustrated yet as an individual I don't have the know how to do aything about the issues.
    ariescards
    10th Jul 2012
    5:07pm
    I have just gone and checked my email and believe it or not there is a reply from my local member. Sadly, it is no better than getting an automated email reply from the Prime Minister when I used to forward on the jokes and videos that I receive every day, but I did at least try to do something. Just as well my hair is already white. Here is his reply:

    Dear Ms Salt,
    Many thanks for your email and the link to the ‘Your Life Choices’ website.
    As you say, it is important that everyone gets a fair go. The website is another way that people can contribute to public discussion in a democratic society.
    Keep up your contributions.
    Yours sincerely
    Daryl Melham
    toot2000
    10th Jul 2012
    5:32pm
    When asked if the Coalition would repeal the carbon tax, Sophie Mirabella said on Q and A that there would be a referendum about it, presumably, she should know.
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    5:38pm
    Did she just mean that the Coalition would have the right to repeal the law as they will be elected for sure ? Referendums are expensive to run as its just like voting.
    Or is it added to the normal election process - I cant remember.
    toot2000
    10th Jul 2012
    5:45pm
    Me either.
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    6:00pm
    I like you toot2000 - marry me ?
    ariescards
    10th Jul 2012
    5:39pm
    Jokes and videos are sent to me daily from a small group of about 30 from Australia and the USA. Maybe this is our solution. This came from an Australian member.

    SENIORS LEAVING AUSTRALIA
    News Flash from offshore Broome, Western Australia ----
    The Australian Navy intercepted three boatloads of people off the north west coast of Australia today.
    This placed the Navy in an awkward position, as the boats were not heading to, but away from Australia towards Christmas Island.
    Another surprise finding was that they were loaded with Australians who were all seniors of pension age.
    Their claim was that they were trying to get to Christmas Island so as to be able to return to Australia as illegal immigrants and therefore be entitled to far more benefits than they were receiving as legitimate Australian pensioners.
    The Navy, it is believed, gave them food, water and fuel and assisted them on their journey.
    We are booking the next boat out, let me know if you want to come.

    Thanks Laurel. If we didn't keep our sense of humour I think we would all go shoot ourselves.
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    5:52pm
    bugga - wheres my tinnie and 27 Mhz radio licences that I had in 1985 ? But wait - I can only earn $75 per week before the pension decreases. So my fare per person is set at $37.50 oneway to Xmas Isle cause I need someone to steer and another to bail - well, I will be the skipper hehehe
    professori_au
    10th Jul 2012
    8:21pm
    Hi All,

    We can start the ball rolling by requesting (no! that is too submissive and will receive an answer "we cannot tell you under the privacy and confidentiality clauses that have been put in place to protect vested interests). No! as the public under its right to know, consider these excuses as unacceptable and demand our politicians attend a public meeting and demand why they have not been representing the people who elected them. Ask why they are not governing the country under our Rule of Law (The Commonwealth Constitution). Ask who gave them the authority to change our laws that were designed to protect oru rights in favour of the corporate laws that do not. Include in these demands to your state MP's as well. There has to have been collusion and corruption outstanding for many years and the public has been kept unaware.
    Ask why the Parliament has become a Body Corporate without the approval of the Australian people and so on. Make sure that copies of the questions are given to the media. Spread the information across the internet and suggest that other countries may also becoming victims of these vested interests who would destroy our planet just for short term gain and long term suffering of the world population's future generations
    Let them know that we, the Australian people, finding their behaviour acceptable and will demand that they govern for us and not for themselves.
    Perhaps class action needs to be taken against those who are behaving illegally, changing our laws to benefit the few.
    I recently asked how foreign countries and corporations can buy Australian land without the approval of the people. I am not a lawyer, but a thought comes to mind, can these "buyers" of land that is not the sellers, be charged as accessary after the fact and can these lands that have been taken be taken back as they have received "stolen" property. At long last we have a tool to be able to read and check many of the illegal actions of our so called parliaments and it is called the Web. There are now many people who have been questioning the actions of our governments but were frustrated in getting answers.
    How I became involved is a story in its own, starting from an inmate in an orphanage to working as a community advocate and seeking justice for the more vulnerable within our society. I do not see myself as a so called do-gooder but one seeking justice for all.
    I found that many of the solutions were within our constitution, including the legal State ones, so I began to research and ask questions and more important ask questions in public.
    Hence my submission challenging council’s authority to sell of public assets and Crown lands. The panel was unable to answer and stated they would seek legal advice. The real question is why they needed to seek advice, they should have known the answer.
    professori_au
    10th Jul 2012
    8:49pm
    Recently I was asked to attend a Housing Tenants meeting as the government was proposing changes to the public housing system and they wanted to know what they could do to protect their rights as the meeting with government officials appeared to be one where they would be told what would happen; not to consult with the tenants.
    They have advised to ask for a copy of the agenda and information regarding reports etc.
    Ask under what authority the Public Housing authorities act and where the authority to sell of stock, including Crown lands, to developers.
    Why was the management of tenant housing given to a charitable organisation
    Why were the tenants not involved with the changes to their contracts?
    Legally a contract cannot be altered or amended without all parties to the contract agreeing.
    Why was the government trying to change tenancies from life time options to commercial lease and renting based on commercial values, etc.; that was not the original intent behind public housing.
    Legally there may be breaches of the tenant’s contracts and this need to be looked at.
    The lands are Crown Lands and the stock also belongs to the people as it had been paid for by taxes of the people.
    Another scheme that has been brought to my attentions is one the government came up with, I believe around the 1980’s, where tenants would pay a little more and as a result would be able to own the house they lived in.
    An analysis of the scheme would show even people with only basic accounting skills would see these people would never own their homes and in fact many have paid the value many times over due to interest increasing to 17+ % over the years and interest in interest increasing the values far beyond what the scheme could cope and possibly some poetic accounting processes of the authorities.
    One such buyer, a single parent with a disable son and who is now a pensioner, recently approached me and said she had to move out as she no longer could continue to pay good money after bad without going into further debt. She has been advised by the authorities that she could hand the property in and no further payments would need to be made.
    Wonderful!!!! Having paid for many years in the hope of owning her own home she is now faced with returning back to the commercial tenancy market and continue to pay rent and no future of owning her home, while the government has earnt a wonderful return on its investment in the vulnerable of our society.
    No wonder people are starting to ask questions and request justice for people. ? at the Moment this does not appear to be in the near future.
    Departments deny answers and avoid transparency and accountability of their actions, claiming under the Freedom of Information Acts the matters are commercial and confidential. Why? It is public money that is being used; therefore the public has a right to know.
    professori_au
    10th Jul 2012
    9:03pm
    Robbie.
    You asked of my involvement in Constitutional Matters. As I said earlier I began to find answers in the Constitution and as my interest grew I started reseqarching since the late sixties when I took on the NSW Lands Department seeking justice. I was successful, with the help of others to make a case to be answered.
    Later I sold the farm and my engineering business to become a consultant to the victorian government where I and others, developed a successful program to assist the long tern unemployed. It was later "bastardised by later governments of both pursuasions and versions developed that lead to catorgorising who was unemployed, e.g. one hour per week you were not unemployed, volunteers, were not included, people forced to attend secondary education or lose their social security, without improving thier employment options. Many courses kept educators in employment by developing "Mickey mouse"courses that did not meet all of industries' needs and so on.
    As an independent Community Advocate I have had the benefit of not being subject to funding pressures, etc. if I cross the authorities. I do not get paid, hence can't be threatened, the few times that has been tried I threatened to go public not only in australia but world wide. My interests are wide, but my special passions are the disabled, especially children sufering from ADHD/Autisitic spectrum conditions, child pro'tection (That doesnt), the Environment, public health and social justice.
    I have been asked to write of my experiences but at the moment I say I do not have the time, perhaps one day I will, but for the moment my committments take all of my time and efforts.............................
    professori_au
    10th Jul 2012
    9:13pm
    Hi Again,
    I apolgise with this rush of comments but hope you find them interesting.
    Those who might like to do their own research I can include a list of web sites where you can download the Constitutions, the Magna Carta and other sources for comment.
    that is of course if this is allowable on this site. there are people you can contact with queries and who are willing to help.
    There are also High court actionsby individuals and groups and so on. It all there for you to research yourself and not rely on others.
    The biggest failure to the people was the government decision not to teach our constitution in the schools. Other countries do, why is it not done here. what is the agenda?
    Bye for now. I have some more research to do regarding the governments intention to hand control of public housing to commercial interests and selling off further public assets and Crown Land. If it is not questioned and stopped we will all finish up as assets of some corporations as we will have no rights whatsoever. there will be no common Law Rights to protect us.
    aquatrek
    10th Jul 2012
    9:52pm
    I dont mean to be disrespectful professori_au but what the hell are you wasting your time blogging here for ? You are actually DOING SOMETHING to keep the bastards honest but I think most here are either unwilling to get involved, are past it or have other commitments.
    There are systems and processes in place that we all take for granted yet you say that they are basically ALL illegal. This forum and others present what are 'day to day' issues but yours go to the very core of the countries being. What you have outlined is far more frightening than any of the puerile blah blahs, including my own. Now I am truly scared for Oz.
    professori_au
    10th Jul 2012
    10:05pm
    Hi aquatrek,
    don't be scared:) You have the power to make change. I am not wasting time on this blog. You are an example. You just need to realise that you are power, i.e people power and the mor epeople are informed the greater that power.
    Until recently people while aware were not sure what can be done. there is much that can be done and a start is researching your own information and gaining confidence in yourself. I have every confidence in the general public and believe eventually it will understand its power.
    Unfortunately there are always people who will attempt to denigrate others. These people are only as dangerous as we let them. they are too lazy to do anything but complain how badly life is treating them but to do something about it......................
    Cheers. The fight is not lost. It is the beginning of the first round
    aquatrek
    11th Jul 2012
    8:44pm
    I am not being flippant when I say please include any legislation to:
    ban/outlaw/prohibit anything and everything to do with Sharia law in this land;
    if it gets the slightest foothold then the end is nigh.
    ariescards
    11th Jul 2012
    9:31am
    I want to thank Professori-au for the information he has added. Yes,he has done things in the past to help in other situations, but for people like myself who are unable to individually do anything, his information has been most informative. I, like all who have made entries to this Forum are only able to vent our thoughts and frustration via our computer. But like he said, there has to be a way for our voices to be linked that would help all. Sadly I am not qualified. My career was as an executive in advertising and back in the 60's Rothmans and all of their brands were our No. 1 client and even back then it was rumoured that this company was the government's biggest tax earner. Every week at the board meeting held by us with their various Product Managers, it was noted that none of them were smokers. I feel TAX revenue is still the main issue behind all of the government decisions. I have replied to my local member out of courtesy as he did at least send me a reply. It's a shame that this Forum couldn't turn itself into a "One Switch" via the Life Choices programme. But this is just a thought on my part.
    toot2000
    11th Jul 2012
    1:42pm
    You've hit the nail on the head ariescards, it's a place to vent our frustration and anger as we stand by helplessly and watch this government wreck the country, knowing there's not a thing we can do about it. Except get ulcers maybe. The time stretching ahead to the next election seems so far away, I could weep.
    Nan Norma
    11th Jul 2012
    2:25pm
    I see the hospitals now have to pay corbon tax. Has that woman gone totaly mad. She is going to send this country broke with her damn tax. This reminds me of Mrs Thatcher's Pole tax, only this is worse.
    professori_au
    11th Jul 2012
    9:20pm
    Hi All,
    I am still considering the proposed action of the Housing Department. It is claiming that the maintenance of the housing stock is unsustainable.
    That comment is rubbish. If the government has carried out a sound maintenance program all of the housing stock would be in good condition. Look at the private sector and you will see houses more than 100 - 150 years old and still viable.
    The government, particularly since the Jeff Kennett Government has grabbed the rental income and spent as little as possible. I am a-political and hold that all governments since are equally culpable.
    There is an investment account Held by DHS (I need to confirm where this account is held) all of the rent deposits over the years would amount to possibly an excess of $1M. Add interest and it most likely would be compounding interest then add the rental income; governments have exploited the people on low income for years and years. The department under its various non de plumes has been reluctant to spend money on these properties and we can assume safely that it should have a considerable revenue investment.
    An alternative might be that the revenue from rents has been paid into consolidated revenue accounts and lost in the system.
    As I said before the Land, even if purchased from the private sector is now Crown Land; the houses were built from taxpayers monies, therefore they belong to the people.
    The present government claim that the housing stock is not sustainable and therefore should be sold off to developers is just collusion and a rort, supporting vested interests of developers. It is reducing the housing stock to be developed and sold to the private sector while we have an increasing demand for housing.
    The government would be better off building new stock and refurbishing what stock they had.
    It is interesting to consider potential legal issues, e.g. Those renting have a contract, yet governments have interfered with these contracts without referral to those on contract. The attempt to hand over management to commercial enterprises called charities is a breach of contract. Pressures have been put on renters/leasers to accept a term contract when they already had a term of life contract.
    The following is an example how some are treated. I acknowledge a vested interest in this case but can quote others I have acted for in similar circumstances.
    My son and daughter-in-law rented one of these homes and when she and her husband signed up, the Housing Commission as it was known then, said they would paint it, re-carpet it and do other repairs.
    Unfortunately the marriage broke down and my son moved out leaving her the house for she and the kiddies. Once this happened she was treated like she had no rights whatsoever. After trying to get the housing commission to honour their contract conditions I asked her would she like me to act for her and said I would need to have a written authority for me to act.
    This was done and I carried out a though building inspection (I had been involved with the building and construction industry and was qualified) I sent in my report arguing that in its present condition it was unsafe and that there were small children in the place. I pointed out that they had agreed to carry out refurbishing and maintenance.
    I receive a call from the area manager who asked me who I was. I told him that I was a Community Advocate. He then went on to inform me that they did not have to take any notice of me. I suggested he would not be wise to take that line as it might affect his career future. He finished by saying he would send a building inspector over and I said I would need to be there and he needed to advise me when the inspector proposed to visit. The inspector behaved as much as to say what you would know about building and construction.
    I had already lodged an ambit claim and told him I wanted to see a copy of his report and I expected it to be professional.
    After about 10mins he realised I knew far more than he as an engineer and building construction engineer. The ambit claim became the claim and the work was carried out in short order.
    They tried to charge her for a window that had broken due to torsional stress but I vetoed this saying that the building was badly designed. Now that the torsional activity had put strain of the windows and the department was very lucky it was not facing litigation had the flying glass from the windows had hit any of the little ones.
    The invalid incorporated Victorian government's proposal to sell of these properties is illegal as if it has been acting under the 1975 Victorian constitution which is invalid then it is likely it is not a valid government under the real legal Victorian 1855 Constitution or the Commonwealth Constitution and could face class action if it continued to ignore the law.
    The point of this is that we should not be alone but ask questions and I am sure there will be someone who can advise or even act as a group to fight these sorts of issues and ensure compliance with the law.
    I offered to list some sites that you will find will assist you to understand the working of the Commonwealth Constitution and also how the states now fit into this commonwealth of Australia.
    As no one seems to be objecting to the following information, I hope you all will find it enlightening. I have been researching this since 1966 when my farm went through a drought and I was to finally and successfully take on the NSW government to get justice.
    English Translation of the Magna Carta……..http://www.magnacartaplus.org/magnacarta/
    The founding document to the commonwealth Constitution ….http://foundingdocs.gov.au/item-sdid-82.html
    The Commonwealth Constitution ................. http://www.ourconstitution.org/constitution.php
    The Victorian Constitution 1855 Victoria’s lawful constitution… http://foundingdocs.gov.au/item-sdid-19.html
    The Victorian 1975 Constitution which is invalid and therefore unlawful…http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca1975188/ Note there is no Assent document signed.
    The 1855 has not been repealed. Also the Victorian government changed the government to one that uses Admiralty Law as its base of power, Breaching the commonwealth constitution
    I can add links to High court cases in the preparation or that have decisions at a later date if requested.
    Nan Norma
    11th Jul 2012
    10:34pm
    The Qld Housing has spend a considerable amount of money refurbishing its stock in recent. It also did did do that some years ago and sold much of its stock cheaply to private buyers who now must be reaping the rewards. Had they not done that there would not be the serious shortage of public housing there today. What is making people angry is seeing refugees moving into public housing when the waiting is growing longer by the hour. We are seeing reports of young families homeless. Why was the government allowed to sell these houses to private buyers when they belonged to the taxpayers.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2012
    1:18pm
    Professori ...You are Long Winded and have a LOT of time on your Hands!!!!! Do you Honestly think someone read all that ??????
    I couldnt get on the other Site about collect information on the Net ..But what a Good Idea! Maybe someone will read what you people say,for a change!!?? and they will have 2 YEARS to think about it!!! Ha! Ha!! Ha!!!
    ariescards
    12th Jul 2012
    2:40pm
    I was under the impression that a Forum for was anybody who wanted to take the time to make constructive comments based on their own experiences, not to be rubbished by those who have entered the Forum and speak on behalf of others with negative comments. If you don't have anything worth saying then why bother to waste your time on a Forum that obviously has a lot of intelligent people concerned about the welfare of their families and their country.
    stillman
    12th Jul 2012
    1:42pm
    I do not think families should be given a housing trust home for life. Once your finances improve it is time to buy your own or go into private rental. I work with people on better incomes, 4 wheel drives, caravans but not much money because it is wasted on alcohol cigs etc but still in housing trust home. Why is this so. If we could pay off a house so could they.
    robby
    12th Jul 2012
    10:33pm
    I don't want to disappoint particolor, but I have not only read every word that professorie_au has taken the time to write on here, but have read it twice.
    professori_au
    12th Jul 2012
    11:55pm
    Hi All,
    Don't people like particolor’s comments upset you. Unfortunately we do have some people who do not want to know and believe it is their right to deny others information. It is better to ignore them. I see some of them in many forums. They have little to offer constructively and find pleasure belittling others efforts. I have posted information here for those who wish to think and hopefully be able to act or make a supportive contribution to bringing back our rightful laws.
    Yes particolor my comments may be considered long winded but if the governments had not denied the people their right to know or did not stop people knowing about their Constitution or were accountable and transparent to those who elected them and legally are their employers there would be no need for people like me to be “long winded”.

    Two years, you say. Well it may not take so long as the people begin to express their concerns and demand their rights the change could be quicker. Even if it took two years that would be time for people to gain information that will bring about change.

    I might make a point for you to think about particolor. If you don’t believe in justice now, I hope that if you need it sometime in the future that you are able to find someone long winded enough to assist you and protect your rights.

    The corruption and collusion in this country that is eroding our rights would take many volumes to publish, so what you choose to call long winded is infinitesimal in comparison to the amount of collusion and corruption that has gone on for years in this country, would cover many volumes and if I am able to make a contribution that will help to right these wrongs I am satisfied.
    We have been aware of it but did not know what we could do to bring about change. We naivly trusted those we elected and while there may have been some ideology differences we trusted they would govern with repect and in accordance to our Constitution.
    Instead power groups have bought/pressured our politicians to govern in their favour. the latest is the mining industry.
    These comments are for the interested readers, so particolor you may go back to sleep and not suffer from the indignity of reading more long winded information that will enlighten you and assist to may ensure protection of your rights.
    And I thank all of you have supported my comments. Someone asked why I was wasting my time writing in this forum because I was doing something. The comments many of you have made prove that I am not wasting my time. I believe saying people are apathetic is an unjust accusation. Until people become aware then of course they may be seen like that. Don’t forget we have so many years of various governments denying the people information, how can you blame the people for not doing anything. You need information, otherwise you just go along making complaints about the government not caring, not interested , etc. Once people realise they are part of the People Power and become prepared to act will make those politicians more interested in working for their constituents than working power factions. The alternative will be a form of dictatorship where you will have no rights. I will ask a question and would be interested in the reply. How many of you have contacted your local MP to ask advice or help. The complaints I hear from people here where I live is that the performance of the MP’s is remarkable for its absence. Once elected they will only report to the factions, the voter is no longer important, so let’s shake them up and demand they work for us.
    Regards all?
    aquatrek
    13th Jul 2012
    5:27am
    I live in the NSW Illawarra and two major councils - Wollongong and Shellharbour were sacked - the 1st for corruption and the 2nd for incompetence. The NSW Govt placed administrators and they operated for 3 yrs [proving that party elected councils are not required]. Then elections were held and the councils 'reborn'. What I am getting at is that the state system is set in concrete. No matter what you say 'forcing' locally elected party/ideological members to 'work' specifically just for the respective electorate is an idealistic dream. The reality is that the 'people' choose ideological candidates who they want to 'represent' them by private ballot. A party/ideological based democracy is what Oz has and that will never change.

    Whether the governmental system in other states is legitimate or not also will not bring about change across the whole country either. Major constitutional change also will not happen. These are facts - not suppositions. Gawd forbid that Oz ever slips into military dictatorial chaos as is seen in other countries. Some European nations experience political public violence on a scale never seen here [France].

    So - what you have elaborately outlined and explained is indeed very interesting but having that knowledge is very unlikely to bring any change to the present system. Alternatively, can we employ Geoffrey Robertson QC [Assange's lawyer] 1st to run a 'hypothetical' and then to launch a campaign aimed at the highest levels. The 'USA' style campaign would need someone behind it like National Party member Clive Palmer to fund it - nope, cant see that happening either. Pls dont take those comments as defeatist either - just realistic.
    professori_au
    13th Jul 2012
    11:39pm
    Hi All,
    Aquatrek. I don't see you as a defeatist but rather someone who is frustrated and not sure what to do.
    Please understand as one of the People of australia you have more power than you think.
    Parliaments are servants of the People and once people join and make it loud and clear this idea of parliaments thinking they rule or rather the factions rule is incorrect.
    The people rule and they have been elcted to carry out the directions of the people.
    I won't be Long winded tonight:)
    Give it some thought.
    Go the the web site of the Constitutional Law Resources Group http://www.clrg.info/ and read some of their activities
    Regards
    aquatrek
    14th Jul 2012
    1:25pm
    Are you a registered member of the Australian Sovereignty Party ? Such radical policies [like leave the UN and all international trading arrangements] would surely wreak havoc on the Oz nation. Given time then some of those institutional changes may work but chaos would be the more likely norm.
    professori_au
    14th Jul 2012
    7:39pm
    No, I am not a registered member of the Austraalian sovereignty Party.
    I am a free man and member of the Commonwealth of Australia in accordance to the Commonwealth Constitution
    aquatrek
    14th Jul 2012
    8:04pm
    http://www.peoplesmandate.iinet.net.au/PEOPLES_MANDATE.html


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