$12 billion budget hole

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced a $12 billion revenue hole

$12 billion budget hole

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has warned Australia to “prepare for pain” as she announced a $12 billion revenue hole two weeks before the budget is due to be announced.

Ms Gillard has made it clear that the current 10 per cent GST will not increase to fill this gap, but has signalled that there will be big changes to taxes and spending. One major change being considered is to the Medicare levy, increasing it from 1.5 to 2 per cent. Increasing the Medicare levy was originally proposed as a way to fund the new DisabilityCare scheme.

During her speech to the country, Ms Gillard stated that all options were “back on the table”. The Opposition’s spokesperson on the economy, Joe Hockey, has commented, “all options are on the table, so increased tax on superannuation, increased taxes on the family home, death duties, which Wayne Swan ruled out in Parliament – all options are on the table.”

Ms Gillard’s proposal to reconsider previous decisions will open the way for other changes to the budget, including increases in the capital gains tax on the family home, changes to superannuation and to the private health insurance rebate.

The Government has blamed the strong dollar and lower than expected returns from the mining tax as major reasons for the missing $12 billion.

Read Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s speech in full on The Age website. 

Find out more about possible tax reforms at the Brisbane Times website. 

 

Opinion: Australians should pay higher taxes

When all else fails, try honesty. This seems to be the realisation the Government has reached, as it finally confessed to the less-than-stellar outlook for the upcoming budget.

In October last year it became clear that revenue was falling short of projections, but instead of admitting they might not make the promised budget surplus, the Government produced a budget update which used a few one-off payments, such as making some quarterly company tax payments monthly, to fabricate a wafer-think ‘surplus’.

In December Treasurer Wayne Swan admitted the futility of cutting costs simply so he could announce a surplus and instead explained this was one election promise the Government would not be able to keep. Now, two weeks before budget night, it turns out there’s a $12 billion hole where once we had spending money.

If it sounds like I’m criticising the way the Labor Government is running the country, I’m not. I think they’ve brought in some pretty fantastic reforms which are, unfortunately, being overshadowed by the upcoming budget. I do, however, think that they handled this issue very poorly. If they had told us about these financial difficulties back in October, instead of trying to cover them up like guilty children, we would all be over it by now. We, the thinking Australian public, would have accepted that economies rise and fall and moved on with our lives. In fact, we might even be talking about some of the important issues facing our country right now, such as education or aged care, instead of waffling about whether or not the budget is going to be everything the Government was hoping for (and really, is it ever?).

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) estimates that, excluding Asian countries where welfare is left to families, Australia has the second lowest spending of any Western country, behind Switzerland. Australia is the sixth-lowest taxing country in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), an international group of 34 countries. Our taxes are at about 27 per cent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as of 2011, whereas the average in the OECD is around 35 per cent.

That says to me that perhaps the reason the Government is running out of money is that it is trying to implement better facilities and services without raising the taxes, because in Australia raising taxes is very much like handing the next election over to the Opposition. We pay very little compared to other countries and yet we expect, at least, the same levels of education and healthcare which they enjoy.

I think that, for once, we should stand behind a government with the guts to raise taxes. If a government came out tomorrow and said ‘we are going to raise taxes for those who can afford it, in order to improve services for everyone in the country’, then I would applaud their forward thinking.

Are you worried that the $12 billion budget hole is going to affect you? Do you think we should pay more taxes, or is the Government just making a grab for money it shouldn’t have spent?





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    chopper
    30th Apr 2013
    1:05pm
    Being on a fixed income and I blow my budget and overspend I have to suffer and battle on and cant go to my employer and say I need more money as I have overspent. The government just raises taxes and takes it of the Australian public and businesses to cover the budget blowout. They should be made more accountable for the wastage
    Paddles
    30th Apr 2013
    2:02pm
    "They should be made more accountable for the wastage ".
    They are you know and we call it election time! Unfortunately, we usually have to wait some time before we can deliver judgement.
    supa2
    30th Apr 2013
    1:22pm
    Sure raise the taxes and then let the Unions demands to raise the wages go ahead and price us out of being viable with overseas traders in local manufacturing of goods for overseas export.
    . If a business can't run without subsidies then it deserves to stop operating, look at Holden as an example how much taxpayers have paid to keep them afloat only to prolong the inevitable.
    This government has proven to be totally unable to manage the country finances so must be ousted the sooner the better.
    betteroverseas
    30th Apr 2013
    1:23pm
    no wonder the govt is broke, so many bad decisions and the poor suffer. Just look at the new changes to DSP and portability. this means more DSP recipients are bringing their families back to oz to claim carers pensions, child allowance and all the other benefits they dont get when abroad. the govt could save money by letting these disabled people stay abroad instead of forcing them back to australia to claim additional extras and of course the humanitarian effect of being forced to desert their families, (or support them from here while pushing themselves into furter poverty). Just google dspoverseas and check out the forum & just how the disabled are affected by these new laws. One person had her DSP cut while abroad as she couldnt fly due to a burst air drum. they cut her pension for overstaying the 6weeks and left her stranded with no money. Thats only one instance. There are many more and of course the mainstream media arent interested in standing up for disabled people. shame shame shame on you greedy people destroying families by targeting a minority group.
    burnie2161
    30th Apr 2013
    1:24pm
    I completely agree with the article, those who are in the ultra high income bracket should pay higher tax.
    I also agree with "chopper" too, I fear this coming budget will be nothing to what will happen with the likely change of Government, then the only one's happy will be the mega rich.
    Nan Norma
    30th Apr 2013
    3:49pm
    burnie2161, trouble is their income just goes up to cover the extra tax. look at the Pollies. They just give themselves a rise. And millionaires find ways to avoid tax.
    supa2
    30th Apr 2013
    5:13pm
    That's fine Burnie but I have problems with ones like you with this attitude of hit the rich and give to the poor. We all have opportunities in life and if not then if the disabled can't for reasons take them, there should be assistance for them. But I agree with Nan Norma the Politicians are quick to give themselves handouts etc. for spouses as well. Most small businesses already pay heaps of taxes and a lot are going backwards eg the carbon tax for one. So glad you like paying for power at least 3 times more than 12 months ago..
    Pass the Ductape
    30th Apr 2013
    5:28pm
    I think our pollies are pretty darn good at avoiding tax as well Nan Norma.
    Hasbeen
    30th Apr 2013
    5:57pm
    It is always easy to find these people who are ready to spend someone else's money.

    I get so sick of those who always want someone else to pay their way for them.

    Try cutting your expectations to fit your cloth
    student
    2nd May 2013
    12:09pm
    I would like to know just how taxing the rich is 'giving' to the poor. Do 'the poor' get more food, or more money or better education?? Or does the income from higher taxes for higher salary earners get spread all over society?? I too get tired of hearing whingers, but don't those well-off have an ethical and/or moral duty to those less fortunate??
    Andy Leucite
    30th Apr 2013
    2:23pm
    The current government has actually spent less than the did the last Howard Government because the latter had huge amounts of income at the time. Many economists argue that they should have spent even more (on say, infrastructure, health and education etc).

    Because Australia's boom times are over, and because tax income is lower, Labor spends less but still finds a deficit because the collapse of the boom in mining and manufacturing has been even faster and and deeper than the majority of experts, in or out of government, predicted. I agree that our taxes are relatively low compared with other developed countries, and I would be happy to pay more - and I am on a pension! This is as long as the rich, and big business paid their share of extra tax as well. A little bit more tax from everyone could make a huge difference. As for claims that the present Govt has made a mess of things - they are not perfect, but think where we would be if they hadn't acted to forestall the major effects of the GFC! I agree with everything said in the lead article. In that I include the reluctance to put bad news on the table, though I can understand why not if it brings on another round of 'the sky is falling in' hysterical cries from the consistently negative Opposition.

    I am a swinging voter, but I too fear for what a Coalition government led by Tony Abbott would bring. And if they carry out their threats to trash all the good legislation that the Labor government have brought in, God help us all. If that kind of nasty thinking becomes entrenched in the thinking of all new governments, we will never ever get any long term legislated improvements to anything, from either side of politics. Any new legislation would soon be trashed by any change of government, or governments wouldn't even bother to draw up new policies and legislation if they know that, no matter how good and/or useful they are, they will be spitefully thrown out within a few years. Whatever happened to the bipartisanship that existed on major issues in decades past?
    Hasbeen
    30th Apr 2013
    6:02pm
    Where do you get your information Andy, Julia's lie machine.

    The current government's tax take, even after a little turn down is almost 30% higher than at any time in the Howard government's time.

    Bitch by all means, but do try to get the facts right.
    AmandaR
    30th Apr 2013
    11:39pm
    Andy's facts aren't incorrect but the statement that the current government has increased their 'take' by 30% might need something to support it's accuracy Hasbeen. This article explains Andy's point quite clearly.... http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/before-we-tackle-the-budget-lets-clarify-a-few-points-20130429-2iot4.html
    student
    2nd May 2013
    12:20pm
    thanks AmandaR, I was also going to add the fact Mr. Howard spent like a man with no arms before the election he lost. He also introduced middle-class welfare. I suppose a lot of people want to say unmarried mothers get most of the baby bonus too. ...thus sprouting more incorrect facts.
    Paddles
    30th Apr 2013
    2:23pm
    Looking at the few comments so far and anticipating the many more which will no doubt be made, causes me to wonder at the age and memories of the commentators.
    I was born into the depths of the depression in 1935 so started out in life with the arse out of my pants literally. In the first half of my life, I saw modest gains in social security and Govt support mechanisms but that all took place at a sustainable pace with productivity and population growth geared to improving the quality of life generally.
    The second half of my life (say from 1975) has seen the aspirations and expectations of the Australian workers take a series of quantum leaps which has brought us to what I believe is a standard of living that is quite false in that it has largely been achieved on credit.
    The worldly goods that are now regarded as an entitlement and a "must have" exceed even the wildest dreams of my younger days. Everything that I have learned over time leads me to the inevitable conclusion that we are arriving at, or perhaps have already arrived at "bubble bursting' time and we are overdue for what they refer to in financial markets as a "correction".
    Initially it will be painful and the air will be saturated with screams of anguish from those who resent something being taken away from them, notwithstanding the sheer common sense of it. What it really needs is a Govt with the intestinal fortitude to do what is necessary, explain the reasons and logic of the actions, and let the political chips fall where they may.
    Tom Tank
    30th Apr 2013
    3:33pm
    You are so right Paddles. we have been living in a fools paradise for years with successive Governments lacking the guts to do what needs to be done.
    The vast majority of our National Debt is private and business and if that gets called in for whatever reason we are sunk. It will have to be paid at some point or we will end up like Greece.
    We are being driven to spend spend in our consumer society with the top end of town laughing all the way as they are the recipients of the profits being made.
    Neither of the major political parties will tackle this problem as Labour are too frightened as to what the electorate will do to them is taxes are raised and the Liberals have idealogical blinkers about taxation. If we want services provided we must pay for them and we are a low tax country. To get good schools and get good health care our taxation rates must reflect those desires.
    Come on politicians and show some grit and step up to the plate and do what is right for Australia and not just what is right for your party and its supporters.
    Hasbeen
    30th Apr 2013
    6:12pm
    Well said Paddles. I'm a few years after you, but I helped my father build our house, their first, after a depression, & a world war kind of slowed them down a bit.

    It was a bit rough around the edges, but they felt lucky to finally have their own home, in their late 30s.

    I get so sick of those who expect everyone else to house clothe, feed & medicate them, all for free.
    student
    2nd May 2013
    12:27pm
    Hasbeen, I hear what you are saying but can you tell me the role of a Government please??
    sensible senior
    4th May 2013
    7:57am
    i live in Qld where the labor government was in power for 20 years and left us with a debt of 62 billion. The Newman Government is trying to address this but getting a lot of flack from the unions which helped to put us in this position in the first place so i hope he sticks to his guns even if i have to suffer.
    digiom
    30th Apr 2013
    2:28pm
    Why doesn't the government look at taxing the profits that religious organisations make. One that especially comes to mind is Sanitarium. They refer to themselves as a business on their website citing the first of their six philosophy statements:

    1. The way we do business

    They must be making a fortune and, as I understand it, pay no tax at all.
    FrankC
    30th Apr 2013
    8:35pm
    The first group that springs to mind is the Hillsong group. This organisation is loaded, and a bit of tax from these people wouldn't go astray.
    Boof
    30th Apr 2013
    2:29pm
    $12 billion is nothing. We can afford to go another $12 billion, as long as we spend it on infrastructure etc. for the betterment of Australia.
    We are so much better off than some european Countries and the USA. Rudd did that for us and some people are NOT looking past the end of their noses, when they critisise. Look at the big picture, people. Wait till Abbott gets in and then the reason for whinging will come forth. ( Big Time ).
    rosemaryjune
    30th Apr 2013
    2:57pm
    Regardless of who is in Govt. they need to get their priorities right. Less funds on unnecessary luxuries, surplus expensive cars, and more on health, education and infastructure. There is nothing wrong with high grade Holdens or Fords instead of inferior structure overseas cars. The brand new carpet they put in the "new" Parliament House in Canberra was NZ Wool and some of it looked like it had lots of water and other stains on it. The marble pillars were not Aust. marble.
    The Govt. doesn't encourage workers to save to support ourselves when e retire. They tax our wages, the interest we save when banking them, our Super deducted from gross wage, then tax it when we withdraw it.
    niemakawa
    30th Apr 2013
    3:58pm
    Julia is a raging lunatic. Nowhere in her comments has she even suggested that is because of her bad policies and the inability to cut spending, knowing full well there is no money in the coffers. She now wants everyone else (we are to blame) to contribute through a range of higher taxes for her own miserable attempts to run the Country. She has been a complete failure on all counts and brought the current "grave" situation through her lavish spending habits without the supporting revenue. What a mess she has left the Liberals to clean up. Disgraceful woman that she is.
    aquatrek
    30th Apr 2013
    4:37pm
    Brave words on this ALP dominated web forum Macjam.
    The facts are that Oz has been governed 66% by the Right and 34% by the Left since Federation. Howard left a budget in surplus, just as other NLP budgets have been in the past, and in just 4 years the ALP have squandered the coffers and put Oz in deep debt and now claim that fiscal conditions are the cause of a $huge$ budget blowout. Only 12 months ago it was a promise that there would be a surplus - what a fiscal management farce. It wont be long now unless the Vic police bring the ALP all undone before Sep 14.
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    11:37pm
    Howard,
    -promoted racism (babies overboard and Cronulla riots 2005
    -jumped on USA coat tails (against the wishes of Australians and without reference to our political representatives) and joined us in an illegal invasion that made us a terrorist target, cost soldiers their lives, not to mention supporting the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians (babies, children, women and men), on FALSE PRETENCES, just so the USA could control the oil and sell it in US$ instead of Euros.
    -paid millions and millions on untrue propaganda to get people to vote for a new inequitable and unfair NEW TAX
    -introduced GST which was a huge hike in taxes, even people not earning an income were required to pay for it and it FILLED his COFFERS
    -his government RECEIVED MORE TAX REVENUE than any other government had ever received in our history
    -SPENT MORE than ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT in the HISTORY of AUSTRALIA
    -PUBLIC FUNDS were GIVEN, yes, GIVEN into PRIVATE POCKETS to fund a new and separate PRIVATE HEALTH system for the WEALTHY and PRIVATE EDUCATION for the WEALTHY, whilst running down (dramatically) PUBLIC HEALTH AND PUBLIC EDUCATION.

    Oh! one last thing..... as can only be expected with so much PUBLIC money being SYPHONED OFF into PRIVATE POCKETS, the wealthy got a lot, lot richer under Howard which means that the ordinary people got a lot, lot poorer.

    The best statistic, however, was that Howard was only the second PM to lose his seat in the history of Australia, he was that UNPOPULAR......

    I really wouldn't bring HOWARD up as a glowing example of how to run a country because he was a little tin pot megalomaniac that did very little for this country.
    sensible senior
    2nd May 2013
    8:31am
    Mussitate i would much rather live under the previous howard government than now put your glasses on and see how people are hurting and as for your remarks look at my post with a whole lot of mistakes this government has made . election time cant come soon enough for me
    student
    2nd May 2013
    12:46pm
    Mussi..... don't hold back, let it rip baby!! :)
    Rachel, I have not agreed with you all the time but I must say this is very good. I honestly doubt being PM again is Ms. Gillard's prime ambition. I honestly think she has the good of the Australian people at heart. She has done a lot of good for the MAJORITY of Australians and I admire and respect her for that. I do feel however, she failed us when she watered down the mining tax program. The obscene wealth is held by a very small minority.
    MITZY
    4th May 2013
    9:04pm
    Sensible Senior: I read your post and it took me a while to find out about one particular item in your long list, i.e. one job every 19 minutes lost in manufacturing industry. Sophie Mirabella always manages distortion.
    sensible senior
    6th May 2013
    8:11am
    egyptian yes i thought that 1 job in 19 minutes was a bit strange but the other facts are quite correct and by the way take a big look at manufacturing it is going down the drain big time has been for awhile our labor is too dear and businesses are going overseas i feel your government is much better at spin than the coalition.
    MITZY
    7th May 2013
    11:50am
    sensible senior: did you see Q&A last night? Brilliant school children the future is in good hands. I thought the PM handled herself particularly well and also explained what was happening with manufacturing (it's not the Labor that's too dear it's the high Australian Dollar which both sides of politics are quite happy to let float. The government is working with manufacturing to help them become "smarter" in what they do. As far as spin goes both major parties do equally well if you look a bit further behind the quick grabs for t.v. Newspapers are putting the facts much better but by the time the t.v. quick grabs are on the air, not much credence is paid to the details in newspapers.

    30th Apr 2013
    4:27pm
    Well said Rachel, thank you for having the 'guts' to say so, yourself!
    aquatrek
    30th Apr 2013
    4:37pm
    ditto
    missskybird
    30th Apr 2013
    4:39pm
    The reality is that when Labor took government after the Howard/Costello administration there was a Surplus. Kevin 07 played Robin Hood and handed money out to the Australian public and everyone thought he was wonderful and from there it went downhill.
    It won't be the people in the high income tax bracket that will pay more tax, it will be middle class Australia. The high income earners have their trusts and tax breaks to ensure they don't pay a dollar more than they want to and that has been the way regardless of what Government was in power.
    Julia Gillard is a disgrace and Wayne Swan? Well words just fail me. Go back over the last two years at least and look at their projected 'surplus' and balanced books that they 'promised and 'guaranteed' us we would have. It is not going to happen and there is only one way to fix it, make the working Australian foot the bill. People need to look at the big picture and realise that there is a myriad of Gillard Government policies that are responsible for the budget deficit. I only hope that come September that the reality of what dire straights our budget is in will make people think twice before giving Julia and her cronies another turn at bat.

    30th Apr 2013
    5:04pm
    To answer Macjams out of date misinformation:

    Australia has come out of the GFC as one of the top countries in the world.

    -Our AU$ is being used as a measure of currency (first time);
    -we have a AAA credit rating which both the UK and USA do not;
    -highest standards of living in the world (top or second top);
    -our wealth spread out amongst the people than nearly all other countries (top or second top);
    -egalitarian country, due to wealth spread and high std of living;
    -lowest unemployment (top few);
    -lowest world deficit (top few) - way, way less than UK & USA;
    -highest services;
    -best infrastructure;
    -thriving economy.

    Yeah, she has done a woeful job.

    Now, lets look at how well the OPPOSITION are faring:
    -Canada put in 3years ago, Fibre to the Node (FN) (oppositions current proposal) but are currently replacing all FN with Fibre to the Residence (FR) (governments current proposal). This is because the FN is outdated and useless - a fact - otherwise why would they be changing. Even the UK & USA are doing the same.
    -The opposition plan to pay $29 Billion to implement a FN which before it even starts is considered to be out of date by other major western nations, who are removing theirs and replacing it with the governments FR.
    -It will not be fully implemented until 2019.
    -The FN is NOT upgradable.
    -Makes the FN a $29 BILLION 'throw away' item
    -In 3 years will need to be TOTALLY replaced with governments FR.
    -So cost of FN is $29 BILLION + the cost FR $37 Billion = $66 Billion
    -What will that do to our DEFICIT???
    -The FN will put Australia behind other countries instead of ahead of them;
    -It will take 20 years to regain level of IT and innovation.....20 YEARS!!!!!!

    Now, that gives some indication of how well, our opposition will manage OUR money and OUR affairs.

    The opposition are already starting to screw money out of the average Australian to pay for these gross mismanagement proposals - copy and paste and read this article from the Sydney Morning Herald:

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html

    Oh! and don't believe the firfy that MINING is what has sustained Australia.... there is NO doubt that it helped ..... Australians gained high paying employment which they spent and there was gain from corporations that supported the mining industry. Although, the importation of employees and mining products from overseas is increasing...... not so good. More important though, is that most of the mining PROFITS go overseas, so doesn't even stay in Australia.
    niemakawa
    30th Apr 2013
    5:11pm
    Mussitate, statistics are a very small part of the equation. I take little notice of what they supposedly represent. Just hype and propaganda to feed people like you.
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    10:36pm
    No.. YOU express hype and propaganda, the FACTS presented above blow away your hype and propaganda.

    What do you think of the Oppositions Fibre to the Node then? Given the FACTS above!! Does it instil in you confidence in their wonderful entrepreneurial skills and intelligence.....no?

    It would simply be embarrassing if it wasn't going to set back Australia 20 years.
    student
    2nd May 2013
    12:52pm
    hey Mussi, what about the digital TV we had to have?? Other o/seas countries are bailing out of digital now it's so bad. Someone made a lot of money with the introduction of digital. Another Howard bungle.
    sensible senior
    2nd May 2013
    6:43pm
    really student please advise re digital
    Bunyip
    30th Apr 2013
    5:12pm
    ANY FOOL CAN SPEND MONEY, or make suggestions on how more can be spent. If a business was organized like our current governments, then they would go broke- very quickly.Obviously objectives, aims and priorities need to be made crystal clear.
    We have had a crop of incompetent administrations, led by incompetent leaders that couldn't organize a free brothel....and they tell us how good they are!!! and many of you even BELIEVE them. Has anyone ever heard that you don't need excuses for success??
    I hear bleatings like, "we are not as bad as Europe". Well do we need to get as bad as Europe before something is done? Do we need this Carbon Tax? will this tax make any significant difference to our planet? ...next to nothing. Do we need such an inflated highly paid under worked Public Service? I find it so difficult to stomach the writing from voters who display such obvious political BIAS, sprouting dogma that surely the writer couldn't even believe. Wake up, we need at least another Political Party and more independents who DO represent the aims and aspirations of the electorate, the 2 Party system is a dismal failure.Do we need an increase in Tax? no, we need to elect honest competent representatives who can manage our economy and our country, not prancing and preening idiots who should join actors equity in the part time extras category.
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    10:40pm
    I agree ..... 'ANY FOOL CAN SPEND MONEY' .... look at the OPPOSITION'S plan to throw $29 BILLION down the drain.

    It is more than EMBARRASSING, it will set back Australia 20 YEARS!!!!
    sensible senior
    2nd May 2013
    10:47am
    mussitate 29 billion and still counting please tell me why Syntheo has forced sub contractors of the nbn seeking nbn work to sign strict gag orders preventing them from speaking publicly about any facet of their work. WHAT HAVE THEY GOT TO HIDE. any i will not be able to afford it and i guess a lot more people will not be able to afford it. i believe in technology but as usual this government have wasted money. they should have rolled it out to remote areas as well as important health services etc not to windsor or tasmania to prop up their government.
    student
    2nd May 2013
    12:56pm
    Windsor??? Windsor, NSW???
    Pass the Ductape
    30th Apr 2013
    5:25pm
    'Paddles' had the right idea, but didn't elaborate as to what most the older members of our society have understood for years - which is simply that no government can go on giving away the proceeds of our economy without first investing a good portion in our country’s future ( by that I mean infrastructure) and then spending more than what we have left, utilising credit: surely a fundamental part of good housekeeping!

    Younger people in Australia today have come to expect that governments will give and give and keep on giving. I've lost count of numerous ways successive governments have orchestrated giving away the country’s hard earned proceeds to placate certain factions of our community, but just three examples would be; the baby bonus scheme; paid parental leave, a substantial impost on business ; indexed pensions (yes I can hear the howls of anguish); all of these playing their part in allowing our country to exist way beyond what we could adequately afford.

    Well the chickens are coming home to roost in a big way and Mr Abbott’s government, come September (you can take that comment to the bank) is going to have an extremely difficult time as he attempts to get this country back on track - if he ever does. Unfortunately, to do so is going to require a great deal of hurt - and guess who’s going to hurt the most?
    Pass the Ductape
    30th Apr 2013
    5:36pm
    As an addendum to my prior comment, why do people suppose the 'boat people' bypass so many other countries and appear desperate to come to Australia. Simple! The perks handed out so freely by our Federal Government.

    Here's a free one for you Tony. Stop the perks and you stop the boats!
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    10:59pm
    Ductape

    Yes, of course, Mr Abbott sooooooooo intelligent and entrepreneurial, that he is going to throw away, yes throw away $29 BILLION dollars on Fibre to the Node when Canada who put their Fibre to the Node 3 years ago, is currently ripping it up and replacing it with.....yes, you have it!....... the governments Fibre to the Resident.

    The UK and the USA are starting to do this as well..... surprise!!!

    So, a $29BILLION waste of money that every other western country is getting rid of because it is so outdated and our genius Abbott is going to put it in and by the time it is finished in 2019, Australia's IT and innovation will be put 20 years behind everyone else, instead of in front of them.

    AND that moron is going to run this country. If I was religious I would say .... god help us!

    We will go from the currents highs to the depths of ineptness.

    Abbott has already liaised with his leash holders (Gina and Rupert) as well as their ultra right wing think tank and come up with a wonderful wish list:
    -ABC break up and flog off
    -SBS sell off
    -Medicare gone for most Auistralians
    -A return to WorkChoices, just by another name
    -Australian Institute of Sport AXED
    -CSIRO (worth a mint because of Wi-Fi Patents) - PRIVATISED (or flogged off cheaply to their mates - in political speak)
    -and many more.

    Basically, ABBOTT will
    -polarise the wealth into the hands of a few
    -lower drastically the standard of living of average Australians
    -drop as many services to Australians as possible
    -generally, stuff up the UNIQUE balance Australia has got between corporations and the people of Australia...... by giving the corporations all the power and wealth that they want.
    -Abbott is another GW BUSH, who helped bring down one of the most powerful nations on this earth...... the USA. The enemy couldn't do it, but that fool Bush could.

    Think about it people! Can we afford this fool!
    Pass the Ductape
    1st May 2013
    5:21am
    Don't get me wrong Mussitate - I have no love for Tony Abbott and I suspect what you say has a great deal of merit. Frankly, I would like to see him fall generously off his bike, but after hearing the comment from Juliar Gillard about how Joe Citizen can survive the 'hard times ahead' by borrowing more money to see them through - well this has to be one of the most ridiculous statements the woman has ever made. I fail to see how anyone could take the woman seriously.

    Foot in mouth disease or George Bush syndrome if ever there was, since you brought it up.
    Bunyip
    1st May 2013
    8:45am
    So we winge and whine about the libs or labor, so will we do the dumb thing and still vote for them? Nothing will change.....we will winge, but we still vote for one of a two horse race......doesn't sound tooooo intelligent does it? If you aren't toooo indoctrinated- you will remember both sides have done stupid things, both have had the dummest members sprouting DUBIOUS B/S, both sides are not squeaky clean. Do we believe that this country is in good shape financially? because other countries are in worse financial position!!! Doesn't sound like a very intelligent basis for an opinion. We used to be the "LUCKY" country, but looks like our luck was hijacked by crooked politicians, and lost by gullible voters who will believe anything they are told by a lying silver tongue.Remember the old saying, "when is a politician lying? you can see their lips moving". We need another political party and more real independents for any real change.
    student
    2nd May 2013
    1:30pm
    Mussi, you didn't tell about the Mad Abbott going to privatise schools .. everything. If you want to see Australia in 30 years time, look at America.

    Baby bonus = to boost our population to cope with future generations.

    paid parental leave has to be the most cruel and yet the most successful "hand-out". This is an incentive to get WOMEN to return to the workforce after having a child. Instead of having one wage earner in the family, the Government can now get two lots of taxes plus the off-spin from two wages. We live better (although we are getting more materialistic) have bigger houses and fancier cars, loads of unnecessary gadgets etc, but we still have a great life style.

    I heard the 'Joe Citizen' speech and understood Joe Citizen to stand for all Australians = Government. We can't expect a cushy ride and the Government will have to curtail ....oooooops,it has just occurred to me, how much do politicians cost us the tax payer for their 'learning' junkets every year, or their visits to 'Sister Citys" o/seas?? I think that should be nipped in the bud to save tax payers money, oh, and I will turn off my beer fridge to save my money :)
    Pass the Ductape
    3rd May 2013
    6:26am
    To Student...on baby bonus. I know what the baby bonus is supposed to accomplish but any sane and clear thinking person would have had the ability to realise that this one off payment had a Midas touch about it and quite rightly, would not have been taken in by the hype unless they had an ability to afford a child and bring it up appropriately in the first instance. In these cases, it would be classed as a bonus!

    In reality, the only thing the baby bonus is likely to accomplish is a lengthening queue of welfare recipients at Centrelink, or what other fanciful name they wish to be known by.
    sensible senior
    4th May 2013
    8:11am
    Ductape yes and now the latest this stupid government if going to pay the court costs for any of these boat people who want to sue. i tried to get legal aid against telstra and a.c.m.a. but to no avail probably because they are government bodies.
    sensible senior
    4th May 2013
    9:04am
    all ni can say mussiate are you a mind reader what a lot of baloney what he will do is get small business up and running again
    sensible senior
    6th May 2013
    8:05am
    student whaqt did julia gillard do now parents with children over six year old have to go back to work.
    aussie
    30th Apr 2013
    6:04pm
    Every one is missing plot!! Miss Red head don't care if taxes go up and you struggle for rest your life. She gave herself pay raise more than Uk prime minster. She don't care because she settle with good pension, and sitting back laugh at our medicals, and Federal Government will pass buck. This is laughing stock for our country, even Uk news was laughing how Miss RED HEAD couldn't answer question, and think Australia going
    broke i CAN'T WAIT SEE when this women is thrown out government.. so we hold our heads with pride again.
    niemakawa
    30th Apr 2013
    6:38pm
    This quote by Ernest Hemingway sums up your Miss RED HEAD perfectly.
    " A thing is true at first light and a lie by noon".
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    11:04pm
    That's funny I didn't hear any objections from Abbott about a pay rise.

    I actually AGREE that our PM should get more than the ridiculous IDIOT in the UK.

    AUSTRALIA is in one of the BEST shapes of any country IN THE WORLD!!!!!

    The UK is on the brink of COLLAPSE...... their PM should be asked to PAY BACK his wages! He has done such a lousy job.
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    11:40pm
    How far behind are you.... Macjam... it is Ms not Miss. Get with it man.
    sensible senior
    1st May 2013
    8:51am
    what about MORALS i would rather think that John Howard or Tony Abbott leaves Julia Gillard for dead in this regard.
    geomac
    1st May 2013
    7:45pm
    Are you referring to the man called the lying rodent by a liberal senator SS ? The man who lied about children overboard , no morals there . Have to the lowest of the low in regard to moral fibre and lack of . Wasn,t Abbott the man who left his girlfriend while she was pregnant because he thought it would jeopardise his future ? The man who said not to believe anything he says in an interview .
    sensible senior
    2nd May 2013
    8:27am
    you bare pretty good at throwing stones Geomac how do you know John Howard lied prove what you say. Julia Gillard didnt she bust up a marriage etc i could go on and on but i do not sink to this level but i will if pushed , you mussiate and a few others push your labor gender to the hilt i wonder how a person could have so much hate for people does not help after all THERE WILL BE NO GOVERNMENT UNDER THE CARBON TAX I LEAD.
    student
    2nd May 2013
    1:43pm
    didn't the Mad Abbot want to direct what happens in a woman's body??
    Didn't he oppose the 'morning after' pill?? Howard DID lie about the children o/board. That has been proved and dropped, it is fact. What politicians do in their private life is private as long as they don't break the law. Is sensible senior blaming the PM because some marriage fell apart?? Give me a break!! As for the carbon tax, I feel it should be higher!! Fear mongers will tell you differently, but this is ONE small step for man and a great leap forward for mankind :)
    sensible senior
    4th May 2013
    8:22am
    Geomac i thought it was in the news that Tony Abbott didnt know about the child also that it turned out the child was not his. as for the children overboard maybe that was a sneaky thing thought up by the labor party i do not believe that john howard would put that out if he didnt believe it. also we all amke remarks at sometime that we wish we hadnt. also the reason why John Howard was voted out in his seat is because he was going to give the leadership to peter costello and people felt that he would leave parliament. as for the carbon tax it is just a grab for money and our companies are paying big time for this whats left of them
    MITZY
    4th May 2013
    5:21pm
    Sensible Senior I doubt that Howard would ever give away the leadership to Peter Costello. There was no love lost between those two. Howard in my mind would have been happy to lead again for another three or even six years. The carbon "price" is only imposed on the top 30 earning companies and the pollution rate in the short term has decreased by 9%. Like a lot of things we don't like change but down the track when it changes to a different form of pricing, I think 2015(?) if it is not abolished by the Opposition, in line with the European and other countries, we will probably see the benefits of it. Yes, S.S. Abbott did have a liaison with that person in his younger days and she admitted it was not his baby. He was honest enough to say that if it had been his he would have assisted with its welfare. However, its not right to blame Julia Gillard for another couple's marriage break-up. Only the people involved in it know the truth. All I know is it takes more than one person to break up a marriage. Insinuating it is Julia Gillard's fault is probably one of those remarks we wish we hadn't said.
    Young Simmo
    4th May 2013
    6:04pm
    aussie, I assume that when you say Miss RED HEAD, you are referring to that BLOODNUT.
    geomac
    4th May 2013
    7:04pm
    SS
    Abbott has characterised what happened in 1977 as being the mutual choice of a couple of Catholic teenagers who were too immature to marry. The reality was somewhat different. Abbott has admitted he was "callow" (I think he meant callous) in going on a planned holiday just after they learnt Donnelly was pregnant. What he has not said was that Donnelly wanted him to marry her, that he refused and, as result, even though she was seven months pregnant, she dumped him.
    Is that clear enough SS ?
    MITZY
    5th May 2013
    2:17pm
    geomac: Ms. Donnelly was interviewed on ABC TV at the time when this erupted. She had a liaison with Abbott but also a Bill O'Connor(?) who turned out to be the father of her child after DNA tests were done. Bill had been her flat mate and according to her it was just a one-night affair which they both regretted. The sufferer in the long run is the child. In that interview she said that Abbott was the love of her life at the time but she knew he would never marry her. For many years they both thought the child was theirs, but of course when it blew out of all proportions, DNA proved the point.
    nightie
    30th Apr 2013
    6:47pm
    If the stylist recommended the wearing of glasses for Ms Gillard to look more intelligent, it went out the door with this black hole in the proposed surplus of a few months ago. Mr Swan is blaming the high dollar, well he is the treasurer, why hasn't this government put in place measures to help this country. I don't know anymore what this government's objective is. I thought it should be for the betterment of OUR COUNTRY and the betterment of ALL AUSTRALIANS (born here or immigrant).WE SHOULD STOP AID TO COUNTRIES WHO NO LONGER NEED IT RE CHINA, INDIA, we should help our neighbours who help themselves to improve living conditions etc. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, GOVERN AUSTRALIA AND ITS PEOPLE RESPONSIBLY AND WITH HONESTY.
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    11:09pm
    She is merely trying to look different to that FOOL Abbott, to just make sure no one associates her with him.

    FACT - AUSTRALIA IS ON TOP OF THE WORLD IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING because WE HAVE MANAGED OUR AFFAIRS BRILLIANTLY.

    Just because you lot have been indoctrinated by Rupert's MEDIA into believing that HE (yes, Rupert - he holds Abbott's leash) can run this country better than the government. That is political speak for.... he can take OUR money from public funds and put it in his OWN pockets.
    Pass the Ductape
    1st May 2013
    5:38am
    Mussitate!........ 'FACT - AUSTRALIA IS ON TOP OF THE WORLD IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING' and 'WE HAVE MANAGED OUR AFFAIRS BRILLIANTLY' ?

    Ohhhh........I see. Sorry, I must have missed something. Is this is why we're trying everything at the moment to keep from drowning?
    aquatrek
    1st May 2013
    1:27pm
    Mussitate lives in a house with pink stained glass windows and also wears Edna Everage horn rimmed pink framed and pink lensed glasses. He also wears pink jammys to bed and matching pink attire everywhere else. His is a pink view of the world one might say.
    MITZY
    1st May 2013
    3:17pm
    Nightie: She needed the glasses to analyse Abbott's new sleak flat hairstyle. Everytime I see him on tv lately, I keep thinking all that needs adding is the smallest moustache to look very much like a certain dictator.
    student
    2nd May 2013
    2:04pm
    when did Australia stop being compassionate??

    Duct and aqua, I often get confused with you two guys.To say Aus. is going down the drain (Duct's word "drowning") is nonsensical and aqua, attack the post NOT the person. I also find 'nightie's attack offensive. Maybe (just maybe) the poor woman has bad eyesight from too much reading. I honestly doubt her glasses are for cosmetic purposes although I think they suit her and do not effect her intelligence.
    Bunyip
    2nd May 2013
    5:21pm
    Ductape I hope your comment about us conducting our affairs brilliantly, was tongue in cheek?I did a little search to check this out. Currently we come second behind Argentina,on tax rates around the world- if this site is correct for 2013. Maybe WE aren't that smart? On another site for 2009 we were 8th most expensive country to live in.Not much rhetoric is truthful, more manipulation of the Party faithful.Again I say, the big 2 parties are useless, we need new Parties to make changes--not the SAME OLD-SAME OLD tired rhetoric, B/S AND LIES.
    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/
    Wendy HK
    30th Apr 2013
    9:59pm
    What about cutting pollies (especially retired pollies) lurks and perks - that would save heaps!
    Anonymous
    30th Apr 2013
    11:11pm
    ;-) well worth looking at.
    Happy
    1st May 2013
    10:18pm
    I certainly agree with this:-)
    student
    2nd May 2013
    2:13pm
    pollies should have made great networks whilst in parliament to keep them busy and out of the public purse in retirement.

    I read somewhere that Little Johnny is a contender for GG if the Mad Abbot gets in next election.
    sensible senior
    1st May 2013
    9:23am
    WHATS WRONG WITH THE GOVERNMENT HERES WHATS WRONG. no morals stabbed a prime minister in the back full of union reps no business sense had a surplus blew it did not consider or control what would happen with the batt situation even though garrett was warned . fairfax news wong and carr implicated in the c.s.i.r.o scandal. report from aust. business defence industry unit that proportions of contracts awarded to local defence companies has fallen from 80% to just 53% since 2007 resulting in a loss of eight billion to the australian economy reported by Graham Dunk. a.i.g. report confirms carbon tax blow to manufacturing other countries @ 3 to 4 $ per tonne australia $23 per tonne.. Centrelink - 8o,ooo single parent incorrectly instructed to destroy their pension cards. mining tax blunder, company tax cut not delivered, 4 biggest budget deficits. n.b.n. commitment of jusdt over 4 billion now blown out to 50 billion with more than 1300 staff but only 7ooo customers.a bungled aust. network television tender which led to a police investigation and forced compensation payments. greens loans, grocery watch, fuel watch, cash for clunkers. defence spending dangerously cut to its lowest since 1938. more than 30,000 unauthorised arrivals and 500 boats and hundreds of lived tragically lost with a six billion blow out. the farce of live cattle exports which cost millions of dollars and thousands of jobs. the mis direction of our aust spending aid that has seen australian taxpayers funding a statue in new york to commenorate end of slavery in the carribbean. the a.w.u. and craig thomson scandals which have not been completed yet. incite pivot have chosen to construct a 818.8 million amonia plant in the u.s. rather than australia. 13 months of manufacturing decline. a.b.s. figures revealed that one manufacturing job has been lost on a average of every 19 minutes under carbon tax the march quarter showed the number employed in the industrial sector falling by 14% in the last quarter. computers for schools my friend has a child and i was told that they have to pay a quater of the cost of the computers and then hand them back after 4 years what a joke. this goverment knows they wont get back in and they are deliberately stuffing things up as much as possible without regard for australia which is sad because i once belonged to a very good labor party which has seriouslhy lost its way i agree both sides have their faults but surely no one could stuff us up as much as this
    student
    2nd May 2013
    2:16pm
    sensible senior, your posts are very hard to read.
    sensible senior
    2nd May 2013
    6:41pm
    student cant you understand english you should stay at school.
    MITZY
    3rd May 2013
    3:18pm
    sensible senior: I agree with student, its a pack of poo ticket, just statement and no substance. You need to elaborate one each statement. Our carbon "price" is different to overseas (taxes) and reverts to a lower carbon tax in a couple of years time. One manufacturing job lost on an average of 19 minutes. Gee, I thought the top 50 companies were the ones being taxed for their carbon emissions. You say both sides have their faults, so how about matching the above comments with the other side's disasters that outed them from government, we weren't too satisfied with them, then, were we? I'd love some Coalition policies to hit the deck soon, there doesn't seem to be too many bright ideas surfacing. Hockey and others keep reiterating and whingeing they can't do anything, say anything, make any promises or decisions etc. until they get the "figures", strange how they can find the figures to criticise and debunk the government policies with so much "hot air".
    sensible senior
    4th May 2013
    8:37am
    Egyptian everthing i have said can be justified look it up and prove me wrong. also yes there are things i dont agree with the past coalition but it is not anywhere close to what this idiot government has achieved. I was an accountant and do you think i would rule my business on what i do not know how could you possibly budget for something if you do not know how much revenue you have in the first place or debts. they will bring out their policies near election time when they know the extent of the budget and believe you me i wont believe what he puts out. Afterall the government has already stolen one of their policies.
    MITZY
    4th May 2013
    6:24pm
    Sensible Senior: I haven't the time or the inclination to go through all of those statistics you have provided, but I extrapolated one i.e. "One job every 19 minutes lost in manufacturing!?" I went to the A.B.S. site and had a look at the December Qtr and it indicated that quarter in Manufacturing (seasonally adjusted) rose 3.4%. The March Qtr. data is not available until 5th June. It indicated December Qtr. Seasonally Adjusted Figures for Manufacturing (UP 2.1%) Healthcare & Social Est. (UP 1.8%) Finance & Insurance Services (UP 1.3%) & Mining (UP 0.8%). I tried a few sources and couldn't find anything about "One manufacturing job lost every 19 Minutes" and then I had a think and decided to go to the Liberal Party website. Nice and boldly Sophie Mirabella touted this. But she was quoting this in a roundabout way over the last 5 years of Labor. So didn't we have a GFC in this time-frame? She mentioned 30,800 jobs lost but on another website I saw this same headline indicating "one month later" 70,000 jobs added. I think the ABS figures are unbiased, don't you?
    Young Simmo
    1st May 2013
    9:53am
    I only have one question:: How much money does Australia's 23 million people give to other countries each year, and how much per head is that? Now, how do those numbers stack up against USA, Britain and Europe etc?. Oop's, maybe 2 questions! If the numbers people out there can come up with an answer, I can wait.
    MITZY
    1st May 2013
    12:19pm
    Australia currently provides 35 cents in $100 to foreign aid i.e. 0.35% to GNI (Gross National Income) totalling $4.8 Billion. We are ranked as 13th in the list of 23 OECD countries (not in the top 10). In 2007 Kevin Rudd committed Australia to increase its foreign aid to 0.5% by 2015 i.e. $8 Billion. The Opposition has not only agreed to "match" the Government's 0.50% by 2015, but also "appoint" a "dedicated Minister for Foreign Aid"?! The majority of the current 0.35% of GNI goes to our own regions: 0.35% is divided thus: Global Programmes 30%; East Asia 15%; Pacific 14%; Indonesia 11%; South & West Asia 10%; PNG 10%; Africa/Middle East 8%; Latin America/Middle East 1%. The 0.35% is divided into Health, Education, Economics/Scholarships, Climate Change, Humanitarian Emergency & Refugee Aid, Economic/Public Sector Reform, Civil Society Justice & Democracy, Multi-sectors.
    If you wish to know more, go to the government AusAid website. I believe Finland is the largest supporter, ranked No. 1 for aid-giving and contributes over 1%.
    If we don't help these countries to grow and help themselves we will have more and more refugees and asylum seekers on our doorstep.
    We all complain about the boats and the headlines indicate " tens of thousands of people" arriving but if you look at it differently, it is approximate 0.75% additional people adding to our population. I know I wouldn't like to be in the situation of any one of these people. Thank our lucky stars we live in Australia.
    Young Simmo
    1st May 2013
    12:27pm
    Egyptian, I am sure all that you have written adds up and makes sense. But can you put it into kindergarten language for me, and probably a couple of others, like. How much do I pay, and how much do the American and British people pay individually.
    MITZY
    1st May 2013
    12:58pm
    Hi Young Simmo: If you want to educate yourself further go to the government websites and extract the data. I haven't the time or the inclination to worry about what Americans or British people pay individually.
    However, as stated in my first sentence, Australia provides 35 cents in $100 (0.35% to GNI - Gross National Income). If you pay taxes (I don't) it indicates that the AVERAGE AUSTRALIAN TAXPAYER contributes $3.30 per week out of their overall tax deductions. This $3.30 per week is less than a cup of cappucino and I guess all those taxpayers have more than ONE cappucino per week?
    unicorn
    1st May 2013
    10:10am
    The first thing to be thought about is no more increases for the politicians. Then how about nNO more subsidised lunches for them. Furthermore no more free trips for the retired politicians. I note that John Howard went to London recently, who paid fpor that trip?
    sensible senior
    1st May 2013
    10:38am
    unicorn why single out john howard the p.m. suggested sending him what about the p.m,s recent trip to the u.s. where she took Tim and her 247 adviser plus about 47 more how much did that cost her and now she is going to use tax payers money to push her policies because of the election this should not be allowed also craig thomson 2 supporters are asking for donation to help him fight the h.s.u. scandal what idiot would give to that. many more i know both sides are guilty but dont single out one person.
    Bunyip
    1st May 2013
    11:17am
    Check out this web ad. How credible are these ex PMs wasting the taxpayers hard earned tax $$
    http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/former-prime-ministers-costing-us-millions/story-e6frfmd9-1225945641593
    MITZY
    1st May 2013
    1:46pm
    Unicorn: Our PM is "wasting" a lot less than our Leader of Opposition as far as expenses go. Visit the Department of Finance & Deregulation website and peruse the "Payment of Parliamentary Entitlements" for both persons.
    Six months after the 2010 federal election the record shows:

    1/1/2011 to 30/6/2011:
    Gillard $670,877.21 Abbott $590,003.42
    Both parties' expenses are high, but Gillard's is higher due to her overseas travel in this six months period. If you "remove" the overseas travel for both parties, the balance of the expenses indicate:
    Gillard $209,282.07 Abbott $588,455.26.

    One of Tony Abbott's 2010 Federal Election Campaign Slogans was : "We will end the Waste"? Tony Abbott is still postulating about government waste ... I wouldn't say he was entirely truthful in those statements.

    So, how does Tony Abbott manage in 6 months 1/1/2011 to 30/6/2011 to end up spending close to "three times" the amount of public money as the PM? Have a look at what he spent it on!

    If we go to the period 1/7/2011 to 31/12/2011 and take out the overseas travel
    the expenses show:
    Gillard $254,078.35 Abbott $482,016.86 - in this period Abbott's expenses for office facilities totalled $165,916.15 "four times more" than Gillards of $41,431.62 Abbott's telecommunications costs were "five times more" than Gillards i.e. Gillard $6,637.60 - Abbott $33,287.53).

    So, the last available figures are:
    1/1/2012 to 30/6/2012
    Gillard $260,824.55 - Abbott $463,593.93.

    The reason for extracting the overseas travel figures is that as Prime Minister of Australia that person is expected to travel overseas and promote Australia and in the first six months of her tenure she did travel to many more countries introducing herself to our "global" partnerships etc. Since she has travelled a lot less.
    If you go to the website and see the exact amounts spent by both parties Abbott outperforms Gillard in every domestic category of expenses except "car costs".

    Could we entice Mr. Abbott to try to reduce his Parliamentary Entitlements at least to the level of Ms. Gillard's.

    It would be a mountainous task (and too frightening to know the results) to actually filter through all the rest of government/oppossition's Parliamentary Entitlements.
    from the nanny state
    1st May 2013
    11:28am
    Julia has run out of our money she has spent on the ever growing crying boat people who come here and the nincompoop ideas she has supported ..... Come on rally around and throw more cash in the hat.... Julia needs it to support the rest of the world... not us we have plenty.
    student
    2nd May 2013
    2:24pm
    some people are just plain offensive.
    taylah
    1st May 2013
    11:42am
    Julia Gillard is using emotional blackmail re telling us income has not reached THEIR wish. Income has risen by 7% this year. They just spent/ wasted the money prior to receipts. Of course we all would love to have the NDIS,and we could have, but we have wasted on all sorts including economic refugees,now she is tugging at our heart strings to cost the NDIS, and trying to con us into beleiving another lie i.e. income is down so have to increase a tax.Get rid of 10,000 unnecessary public servants that would be a start.
    Abby
    2nd May 2013
    1:30am
    Well said taylah

    Gillard arranged her salary rise by 34% - why does she not put some of her and her cohort's money up for grabs
    student
    2nd May 2013
    2:28pm
    please, oh please hit me if I am wrong, but aren't politician's salaries determined by an outside body, meaning the decision is nothing to do with the politicians??
    MITZY
    2nd May 2013
    4:32pm
    Student: Yes, you are right.
    niemakawa
    2nd May 2013
    4:35pm
    Student that may be correct, but surely the Politicians can say NO. and opt for a lesser increase or none at all.
    AmandaR
    3rd May 2013
    1:31am
    I must admit, the latest pay rise was over the top. I know their pays are determined by an independent, external body, but I would have liked to see them all say, sorry, not this time. Although, the PM probably deserves financial compensation for all the crap she has to put up with. Criticism for everything from her hair to her shoes. I don't know how she fronts up to it all, day in day out. She seems to have a phenomenal work ethic if the hours she puts in are anything to go by.
    sensible senior
    1st May 2013
    11:57am
    we could help our economy by supporting local business people instead of buying xmas birthday presents which come from overseas we could give as a present a paid voucher, for cleaning, hairdressing, maintenance the list goes on just a thought
    student
    2nd May 2013
    2:30pm
    we can also buy Australian fruit and veg. Also, I believe Chinese fruit and veg. come into Aus. through NZ.
    MITZY
    2nd May 2013
    4:38pm
    Student: Right again. Such a pity really, If I didn't buy Australian fruit and veg for one reason or another (availability or non-availability) I always used to buy New Zealand. Now avocado, kiwi fruit, etc. come from China via New Zealand. And, don't let them put the wool over your eyes regarding French & Italian Kiwi Fruit, they are also from China. Statistics keep indicating heaps and heaps of fruit and veg is coming from China, but there is little evidence in the supermarkets that that is so. Look at the labels and 95% of goods say Australian made. This needs some investigation by those "buried in the sand" ACCC's etc.
    sensible senior
    1st May 2013
    11:57am
    we could help our economy by supporting local business people instead of buying xmas birthday presents which come from overseas we could give as a present a paid voucher, for cleaning, hairdressing, maintenance the list goes on just a thought
    Happy
    1st May 2013
    10:08pm
    Its very easy to get the budget back in the black. Fix the loopholes in the Family Trust's tax laws,that will return a bonanza of cash to the government. Scrap the baby bonus. Reduce family payments to be in line with what they used to be. Scrap paid maternity leave and most importantly go back to the drawing board and fix up the huge mess they made with the resource rent tax and make the miners pay what the government wants them to pay, not what the miners want to pay.

    With all these savings listed above they will be more than able to fund the Gonski reforms to the education system, Fund NCIS and still end up with a Surplas.

    It's not rocket science...
    MITZY
    2nd May 2013
    10:14am
    I agree, well said. We never received a quarter of the hand-outs today's families receive. One further step would be to scrutinise ways and means of reducing some of the expenses of politicians. For instance how much of taxpayers' funds has Mr. Abbott used on all these "sporting jaunts". He was in Adelaide on a bike a few days ago. How did he get there? Is he covered wholly or partly by his government expenses claims? He will probably say he commented on Gillard's NDIS and that's considered as "working". Why do so many politicians take their partners with them. Unless it is an official ceremony, funeral, etc. there really isn't need for those expenses. CEO's of private companies are hardly scene with partners on their arms. There are so many ways to save to be able to afford the NDIS and GONSKI. However, we do complain about how much we are being taxed by governments etc. and yet we are listed as one of the lowest taxing governments in the developed world? It's the institutions and essential services that arae costing us dearly, all because they are privatised.
    Paddles
    2nd May 2013
    10:40am
    Egyptian
    Whilst I don't disagree with most of your sentiments, I suggest that you look at the larger picture wherein you will see that such things as pollie's "perks" are, in the overall context of our economy, so small as to be irrelevant.
    Better than sending our representatives around the world to live in sterile hotel rooms ALONE, would be to focus on the multitude of public servants who attach themselves to the ministers' coat tails. When they have a "climate conference" which achieves bugger-all really, we are paying for a party of up to 50 people.
    MITZY
    3rd May 2013
    2:58pm
    Paddles: I'd like some of those pollies "negligible perks". Further up the posts I mentioned just the PM's and the Opposition leaders official expenses (two people). What about all the rest, it must add up to a tidy sum. I doubt any politician would be housed in a sterile hotel room, but I can't see the point of partners of pollies attending practically everything. All my years my CEO's never took their partners or P.A.'s on business trips, thats the difference in being frugal with their own money, whereas pollies seem to be "lavish" with ours.
    wally
    2nd May 2013
    11:33am
    Usual comments from the usual suspects, (including me.) If we are looking at a $12 billion overspend by the Labor government, does anybody really think that by raising taxes on big companies and rich people that is going to make up for the $12 billion shortfall? Will taking away politicians" pay increases, super-payouts and perks put much of a dent in the govt revenue shortfall? How much would that save, anyway?
    Julia's "John example" who finds himself in debt, simply borrows more money. This makes everyone happy, or so Julia would have us believe. Especially the banks, if they have collateral for the loan(s). Does this fairy tale have any relevance to the situation the Labor government has put us all in? What should "John" do? Maybe "he" needs to cut back on non-essential spending. Maybe "John" should reconsider his decisions to play the poker machines, bet at the TAB, buy smokes, booze, dope and visit race tracks and brothels, and buy a luxury car every year.
    Maybe Julia's government should consider cutting back on non-essential spending. Buying a seat on the UN Security Council looks like a waste of money. Foreign aid needs to be looked at more closely, no matter how desperately the Robert Mugabes of the world need new tanks and fighter jets. The care and feeding of illegal immigrants is another place money could be saved. NBN? How much will it blow out to, if it is ever finished? (Will us "oldies" be around to benefit from it when it is finished?) Perhaps if our Labor politicians stopped throwing away tax payers money and realized that they are not Santa Claus for the Third World,
    It may not be necessary to lumber everyone with new taxes.
    Remember that the carbon tax we were not going to get in 2010 is increasing the cost of doing business and these costs drive up the prices of everything we buy.
    Gonsky report? Even Gonski doesn't like what Julka plans to do, using the report as justification to rob Peter (the Universities) to Pay Paul (primary and high schools)and hire more bureaucrats to "administer" a new centralised department of Orwellian indoctrination. So Vote Labor and pay more taxes folks. Afraid of Abbott? Doesn't where Gillard wants to take us all for the next 3 years of more waste and mounting debt worry you? Lotsa Luck. Beware of what you wish for, you just might.......
    student
    2nd May 2013
    2:38pm
    illegal immigrants are usually those who o/stay their visas, so I think you are confusing LEGAL asylum seekers with illegal immigrants.
    sensible senior
    4th May 2013
    8:44am
    how are these LEGAL asylum seeks when they have so much money to pay the boat smuugglers also their fare to get to the point of leaving
    unicorn
    2nd May 2013
    2:17pm
    Abby, you said not to forget that Julia put her wages up 34% I wikl ask you not to forget that Tony will be more than happy to collect it supposing he becomes PM in September. That will be the first time Tony will agree with something Julia did while she was PM.

    2nd May 2013
    2:42pm
    Socialism destroys incentive to get ahead. Why should anyone bother
    aquatrek
    6th May 2013
    4:17pm
    Socialism has failed in every country although the cycle of dictator > socialism > republic > democracy is still being played out in countries like Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
    niemakawa
    2nd May 2013
    2:47pm
    To plug part of the hole JG has announced that the medicare levy is to be increased to 2%. She also stated that everyone has to make a contribution. But of course that will not be the case. There are thresholds before the levy kicks in. So to be fair the threshold should be abolished and every dollar of income should attract the levy, including pensions and other beneficiaries of Government handouts. Otherwise it will be the same old crowd footing the bill as usual, the high income earners, penalised for getting ahead in life.
    Young Simmo
    2nd May 2013
    3:47pm
    Macjam, leave us pensioners alone, at the moment we are battling to save $300 a fortnight and you want to slug us another $12.
    Pass the Ductape
    3rd May 2013
    5:59am
    Macjam - it's been my experience that the 'high income earners' as you put it, get to that station in life, simply by finding numerous ways to trample over everyone else. The harder you trample, the higher you climb. Of course the politically correct terminology is - we work very hard to get to where we are - but they trample never-the-less.
    niemakawa
    2nd May 2013
    4:32pm
    Young Simmo. It seems you do not support the NDIS, then.
    Young Simmo
    2nd May 2013
    4:42pm
    Macjam, stop making things up, I will spell it out for you so you will have a chance of understanding what I said. "Leave--the--pensioners--alone". OK, have you got it now?
    Young Simmo
    2nd May 2013
    4:42pm
    Macjam, stop making things up, I will spell it out for you so you will have a chance of understanding what I said. "Leave--the--pensioners--alone". OK, have you got it now?
    niemakawa
    2nd May 2013
    4:47pm
    I will stand by my original post, so leave it at that.
    Young Simmo
    2nd May 2013
    4:51pm
    DITTO.
    wally
    2nd May 2013
    5:34pm
    student uses weird logic in assuming that Illegal immigrants only arrive in the country and then overstay the terms of their visa. So what do we call immigrants that turn up uninvited and have no passports, visas or identification? Does Student think that this stunt makes these people legal immigrants? As most of these people arrive on boats sailing from Indonesia,(but are not Indonesians themselves), how were they able to enter Indonesia in the first place? Do the Indonesians not check passports for visa when people arrive in their country? As said previously, Student's "logic", if you can call it that, is patently illogical.
    Young Simmo
    2nd May 2013
    5:41pm
    wally, am I a dreamer as I am looking forward to the following. Tony gets in in September, and reduces the Boat people by 90% over the following 12 months. Then he gives half of the 5 Billion dollars that saves, to the pensioners. That way I will be able to replace my Lamborghini every 2 years instead of every 3 years, as I do now.

    2nd May 2013
    6:58pm
    Britain has the right idea...phasing out giving aid india and also south africa...Mr Zuma not very happy, I wonder why.
    So it can be done!

    3rd May 2013
    8:43am
    If I was a" young single" woman the last thing I would be doing is having a baby; baby bonus or not. Saddling myself with the responsibility of a baby, on my own, would be the worst thing I could possibly imagine .
    sensible senior
    4th May 2013
    9:00am
    Radish i agree i think Peter Costello was looking at the population side of things because of people coming on to the pension.

    3rd May 2013
    10:33am
    Ductape I object to your generalisation about people who get ahead in life trample over others to get there.

    Well, excuse me, I have got where I am through sheer hard work, scrimping and saving NOT trampling over people.
    wally
    3rd May 2013
    3:48pm
    Hi Young Simmo. I envy you your dream and can only suggest you stockpile the Turtle Wax against the bumpy road we have ahead of us.
    Young Simmo
    3rd May 2013
    4:11pm
    Yeah wally, probably should have mentioned that my Lamborghini is not quite your normal Lamborghini. It is only 3 inches long, and I park it on top of the TV set.
    unicorn
    3rd May 2013
    4:16pm
    you must have a nice long TV set Young Simmo,
    hehe

    4th May 2013
    8:05am
    Facts are facts...there was a $20 billion surplus left by the Libs no matter what spin people want to put on it and I would rather be in surplus that in the debt. I dont care that other countries have a higher debt...I dont want to be like a lemming and jump off the cliff with them. The money was badly managed in a number of areas...pink batts for instance and the school halls come to mind.

    Economic management has never been the forte of Labor governments..history tells us that.

    I am prepared to suffer pain just as Sensible Senior from Queensland said, if we get the debt back under control.

    Defence is another area where we are being badly let down by this government and only this morning a retired defence chief was very scathing of this government in this regard.
    Taskid
    4th May 2013
    11:15am
    Personally I don't think the collection of policiticians we have now in all parties offer much. Howard took as down the dark road of an illegal war, huge amounts of money wasted to promote the Work Choices which came to nothing and lost him his sear. A health system that was sick under Abbott, inhumane treatment of asylum seekers etc etc. Ok we had a surplus but at what cost to our most vulnerable citizens??? I used to use the mute button on Howard whenever he bleated about "the eonomy" as if it was his god. For me the economy should serve the people, not the people serve the economy as it did under him.

    Now we have a government which has some brilliant policies, but appears to be let down in the provision of the services emanating from them. Some of the ideas have not been thought through and that has led to the blow out in the economy, but at least our PM talks about services to people, not people serving the economy. There has been room in some areas for a bi-partisan approach, eg the asylum seekers, carbon pricing etc, but Abbott is so intent in getting to the Lodge he will not let anything get in the way of his personal ambition. I think Austalians have got to wake up and vote intelligently for people who have principles and integrity, not just vote mindlessly along party lines. If we don't we will continue to have more deterioration in the quality of our leaders. One good thing about both leaders just now though is they both oppose homosexual marriage which counteracts the manipulation of the gay lobby to foist this on us.
    wally
    4th May 2013
    2:26pm
    I am glad to see Taskid thinks our PM talks about services to the people. I would like to see our Pm stop talking about services to the people and start providing said services. Forget the Dr. No nonsense about Abbott. If our PM wanted to use her majorities in both the Senate and the House of Reps, she could do it. The enactment of the carbon tax she had passed through parliament is proof that she can, if she wishes, do it. Instead she plays political games trying to wedge Abbott into an untenable position. So if Julia is the fount of good policy, she can enact it and not depend Abbott's support. My question is why she does not do it.
    Taskid
    4th May 2013
    6:28pm
    Wally I don't recall mentioning that our PM "talks about services to the people"

    There are an awful lot of whingers in this thread. As I have said, none of them appeal to me, be we all voted them in right? I just thank God I don't live in North Korea. Now if you lived there whinging would be understandable. :0)
    Paddles
    4th May 2013
    7:46pm
    Taskid
    Perhaps you should have another look at your original post, especially para 2 lines 3 and 4.
    While your at it, you may consider rephrasing ...."but appears to be let down in the provision of the services emanating from them. "
    To point out the obvious, it is not the Government that has been let down; rather it has been the Australian population.
    In a different thread some time ago, I postulated that good government could be achieved by Labor coming up with the projects and then turning them over to the Coalition for costing and implementation with the oversight that Labor is so bloody hopeless at!!
    Taskid
    4th May 2013
    8:13pm
    Paddles, Wally My apologies I only re-read the the first para. What I meant was at least the current PM talks about services to the people where Howard just talked about "the economy" as if people did not matter as much as that.

    On the delivery of services by NGO's that has been the fault of both previous and present Governments and at least here, the State government as well. It is one thing to finance these things but if governments of all persuasions do not make an honest effor to ensure that people get quality services, which in my experienc over both major parties. Neither's oversight has been at the level it should have been.

    4th May 2013
    7:17pm
    BTW if you are over 65 and you get a disability you will not be covered by the NDIS. I will be paying the levy but will not qualify.
    MITZY
    5th May 2013
    2:30pm
    Radish: Amended data went through around the middle of March and is contained in the current legislation. All Australians regardless of age are to benefit from the NDIS if they have a disability for whatever reason. Jenny Macklin said the reason over 65's were not specificaly included was that by that age they would be covered under the disability and age care policies.
    sensible senior
    5th May 2013
    3:07pm
    could someone please enlighten me i received this email to-day about what we donate to other countries also have any countries donated to us with the cyclone, floods, or fires? it was said that this was donated over the past few years. seems rather high to me

    Haite 1.4. billion
    Hames 351 million
    pakistan 2 billion
    libya 1.45 billion
    egypt 397 million
    mexico 622 million
    russia 38o million
    jordan 463 million
    kenya 816 million
    sudan 870 million
    nigeria 456 million
    uganda 451 million
    congo 359 million
    ethopia 981 million
    south africa 566 million
    senegal 698 million
    mozambique 404 million
    zambia 331 million
    kazakhelan 304 million
    iraq 1.08 billion
    tanzania 554 million
    Young Simmo
    5th May 2013
    3:30pm
    sensible senior, if those numbers are correct, it is almost as bad as the the Aust Govt lotteries. You know the Baby Bonus, Paid Maternity Leave and First Home buyers lottery win etc. There are so many Aussie Bludgers getting a free ride it makes me sick. Back in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s everybody worked for a living. Today half of them are retired around 30 to 40 years of age.
    sensible senior
    5th May 2013
    4:46pm
    i tried to google it but it did not give me a breakdown only that we donate .35 cents in the dollar however if you compare that with revenue i guees it is a fair whack .
    Young Simmo
    5th May 2013
    4:57pm
    Yeh, I think we gave something like 3 Billion to Indonesia after the New Years Day Tsunami, which would have gone a long way with the Disability Insurance thingy.
    Young Simmo
    5th May 2013
    4:59pm
    I also seem to remember reading some where, that half of that 3 Billion was used to pay the administration staff at the Red Cross joyride.
    Taskid
    5th May 2013
    11:59pm
    I heard on ABC local tonight that the amount Australia gives in aid overseas is 35cents per $100 - that has saved thousands of children for one thing. Are we so self-centered we care nothing for those, who through no fault of their own, will never attain the quality of life we enjoy??? Shame.
    MITZY
    7th May 2013
    12:57pm
    sensible senior: where are you getting these figures?? Same source as one manufacturing job lost every 19 minutes? Look at my post of 1st May at 12.19 p.m. in response to young simmo about how much aid and where it goes to. The majority of Australia's aid goes to our own region and we have won international awards for our efforts. Please, go to the government website and extract the true figures. Go to ausaid.gov.au and click on the various headings for a clear picture of what our government achieves with "0.35% i.e. $100 to gross national income (GNI)". As I mentioned to young simmo, it is less than one cup of cappuchino per week per person. You indicated to me earlier that you are/were(?) an accountant, instead of quoting newsletters, go to the government websites and check facts because I can just imagine how many people are now quoting those figures to other people and "expanding" on them.

    There was a great letter in yesterday's Sydney Morning Herald on the Waterhouse/Singleton/Johns/Robinson/Hayson soap opera. It even depicted a comedic picture of a horse (supposedly "More Joyous") on hind legs with a hoof on a prayer book with the caption "So Help Me God". The letter's heading read:
    Straight From the Horse's Mouth: and said:

    Racecourse tips, whispers and rumours of horses that can and can't win are as old as the Byerley Turk himself. A popular BING CROSBY tune, now over 50 years old, from the film RIDING HIGH, summed it all up rather nicely....... "Oh, the owner told Clarence the Clocker; the Clocker told jockey McGee; the jockey, of course, passed it on to the horse, and the horse told me".

    The writer, Peter Bower from Narrabeen went on to say:

    Well we know Singo, Nash Rawiller, the Waterhouses, the vets - plus "Johnsy", "Robbo" and "Eddie" - have all been asked to testify, but if you can believe old BING, the one that should be first to take the stand for clear, truthful evidence has not even been asked to appear: More Joyous, herself. Surely it's not too late?" I'd love to have read this yesterday before I went off to my Probus Club meeting, it would have given our members a good laugh.

    I also mentioned that Kevin Rudd set the percentage when he first came into government and has committed us to giving aid of 0.50% by 2015. We are not ranked in the top 10 countries in the world for the aid we give to help the less fortunate than ourselves.
    sensible senior
    8th May 2013
    1:09pm
    egyptian read what i said if anyone could confirm it however i have had a lot at the different countries of what we have donated and it does not look good at what has been spent on administration . 2010/2011 4.3 billion. we gave p.n.g 493.2 million also we were paying or still paying John Dinsdale more than half a million dollars a year tax free as Australias law and justice adviser tto p.n.g.
    Mr. Kelly an engineer from Brisbane is receiving 433,000.00 tax free to supervise the maintenance of the 73km of paved roads, 1303klm of gravel roards and 400 klm of earth road in the tropical haven of Vanuatu as stated in the Australian February 10th. also you nit pick what i said your government has done wrong if you read my post i thought that part of 1 job every 19 minitues was questionable but you cannot dispute the others otherwise you would have done so. also with the installation of the bats its in the news that only 4 hours of training was given on this matter. THIS POST SHOULD NOT READ 12 BILLION HOLE BUT 12 BILLION AND COUNTING. shame withdrawn Family Tax part a now carbon tax compensation what a poor excuse of a government. Here is what i think.
    Julia Jillard was asleep in her house and awoke to see Menzies ghost, she asked Bob how can i make this country better, Sir Robert replied Love the Japanese Steel producers like I did.
    Gillard went back to sleep this time she woke to an image of John Howard at the end of her bed and asked the same question. Howard said be honest with the people like I was.
    Again Gillard fell asleep and woke this time to see Harold Holt and asked the same question to which he replied GO FOR A SWIM LIKE I DID. Just wish she would call an election now. we have heard nothing from the independants guess they are too embarrased to front up.
    sensible senior
    5th May 2013
    5:04pm
    another point young simmo the government gave millions of dollars for the salvation army to have 20 ex boat detainees $600 per week plus board and lodging to go to manus and naru to talk about culture there was a doc on t.v. about it. i do not mind giving to the needy but not like that
    wally
    5th May 2013
    5:30pm
    Hi Taskid. I refer you to your post of 4th May. If you look at the PM reference in Paragraph 2, Lines 3 and 4, you will find the source of the comment I made on the same day.
    wally
    5th May 2013
    5:36pm
    Hi (again) Taskid. I missed your acknowledgement made above before I posted my preceding post of 5:30. I guess it just goes to show we can be sure of things and then find out we were in error. Memory can be a tricky thing as a lot of disputed autobiographies show. Until next time.......
    Taskid
    5th May 2013
    6:48pm
    Wally Oh yes I do apologise, I should have read my post more thoroughly, we got it sorted though.:0)
    sensible senior
    6th May 2013
    7:49am
    Taskid you have got me wrong i dont begrudge giving to needy children or earthquakes like Haiti i just question the amount spent on administration by some of these donations you are quick to point a finger i just thought this was an excessive amount and where is the donations for our homeless etc
    Taskid
    6th May 2013
    9:09am
    Sensible Senior 35 cents out of every $100 surely is not excessive?? The homeless of Australia are still rich in comparison to the places where this aid goes. We cannot begin to imagine the world in which many of our fellow travellers on this planet exist. We live, they exist, surely we should show compassion?
    sensible senior
    6th May 2013
    9:26am
    Taskid read my lips i am againt money being mispent i used to donate but i found out that whilst children were hurting a lot of money was spent on administration and their people staying at top accommodation and no i do not think that they homeless should in any way or people on unemployment or single parents doing it tough as they are DO NOT SHAME ME
    Young Simmo
    6th May 2013
    9:31am
    Sensible senior, I wouldn't take too much notice of Taskid as he only quotes what he reads in that black book of fantasy.
    Taskid
    6th May 2013
    1:06pm
    Young Simmo And you get your standards and values to live by from where?? The daily paper, internet, tv, blokes at the pub??? By the way I am not "he".
    Taskid
    6th May 2013
    1:08pm
    senible senior I take your point, but having worked for a major NGO I know I gave much more than I got and was pleased to do so, I think you would find most people delivering services are the same. They are committed to the clients of the organisation. It is easy to sit and judge from the outside.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    1:06pm
    Boy I am sick of hearing, "35 cents out of every $100 " quoted to try and hide the truth. Lets get real for a moment. How many Billions per year do we give away? and how many Billions would it cost to give our pensioners an extra $50 per fortnight. There are 86,000 readers of these pages, and not a single one with the COURAGE to tell the real story in real Aussie language.

    6th May 2013
    9:15am
    A lot of people decided after the tsunami in Indonesia not to donate to the Red Cross due to not all money going to the right place.
    Young Simmo
    6th May 2013
    9:27am
    Yes Radish, I am one of them. I only donate to two organizations, and that is the Surf Life Savers and Volunteer Sea Rescue. That way I know my money is going to real givers, and not being sucked up by Managers and Organisers.
    Taskid
    7th May 2013
    1:23pm
    I have concerns about Red Cross Australia although again their many workers and volunteers do amazing work. Inernationally I believe they do great work. Because they are a secular, neutral organisation they can go into places where other aid workers can't - muslims would not accept workers from Christian based organizations and nor would some militant Hindus, Communist countries either but the Red Cross and Red Crescent have access to prisons, war zones etc and in the main are respected. The Red Cross and the Red Crescent mean only one -thing - "Don't Shoot" - they are not for first-aid, hospitals or any other thing, only to say - "Don't Shoot." Most people are not aware of that. It is a crime against international law to use the Red Cross for any other purpose.

    6th May 2013
    9:30am
    I think you are missing the point Taskid. People like to know that the money they donate goes to the right place and I would say administration charges eat up a great deal of the money donated. I agree entirely with sensible senior. I personally know of a person who was high up in the Red Cross (I wont say which part of Australia) and he led a very comfortable existence in that position.

    6th May 2013
    10:02am
    I never donate to people on street corners either. Unless I get a written receipt no way. Who knows if it is "one for you, one for me"??
    Taskid
    6th May 2013
    10:04pm
    Personally I support programs like Samaritan's Purse where shoe boxes are filled by the donor, delivered to the children and the only cash is a modest donation for freight.

    7th May 2013
    9:53am
    Taskid you mentioned a 7% amount in relation to charity donations. I could only find three or four that were below 9%. Here are a couple...Guide Dogs 9%, Cancer Research 7%, Arthritis Foundation 7%, Alzheimers Ass. 3%, Royal Flying Doctors 3%, Diabetes Assn. 2%. Red Cross was 27% and the highest I found was the Surf Life Saving Assn which was 51%. There are others around this figure and a bit below as well. If anyone cares to do a google search "administration costs charities in Australia) you will find a list of them there under some of the sites. I would do a cut and paste but it will not accept. The average is 22%.
    Young Simmo
    7th May 2013
    10:25am
    Radish in addition to all that, I remember reading somewhere a few years ago about an annual raffle for the "Asbestos Diseases Association" (Mesothelioma). It was stated that the raffle was run by some professionals that reaped about 70 to 80% of the total take. The "Asbestos Diseases Association" got what was left over. Having a best mates wife and son, and a neighbour all dead because of Messo I had an interest, which stopped when I read that story about the administrators ripping off the general public.
    Taskid
    7th May 2013
    10:42am
    Radish I think you may have mistaken me for another poster. I do not recall mentioning percentages for admin in charities as I do not have that knowledge. I just mentioned that our national contribution to overseas aid is 35cents per $100 which I thought was quite modest.

    It is easy to criticise charities, they do have to employ qualified people especially where medical, psychological, scientific, etc services are provided. Also cognition should be made also of the considerable contribution by volunteers. Without our volunteers in many services this country would have been on its knees long ago.
    Taskid
    7th May 2013
    11:22am
    Young Simmo
    It is sad that there are in some organizations thieves, let us call them what they are, common thieves. I have worked with some and been on organational boards with some. However, where there are good and decent people working and I believe that is the majority in charities, whether paid or voluntary they do a mighty job and we should not overlook their work just because of one or two evil people. We need to ask questions, keep the organisations on their toes, but not write them off because of one or two bad eggs. The thieves will be found out eventually. Evil can never hide forever.

    13th May 2013
    5:56pm
    Taskid I apologise I made an error re the charities. I just remember a conversation I had with bro in law. He worked for the Salllies and he abruptly left. When questioned why he was a bit evasive but we got the impression he saw things he was very uncomfortable with re finances. He is a very honest man and it would have upset him greatly as I know he had, up until this, had lot of time for the Salvation Army.
    maggie01
    12th Aug 2013
    5:51pm
    Why are we commenting on this info. put out April, May?
    Young Simmo
    12th Aug 2013
    6:10pm
    WOW maggie01, for a moment there I thought we were all going to get that BIBLE rammed down our throats again.


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