18th Sep 2013
1200 Centrelink workers sacked
1200 Centrelink workers sacked

A quarter of all call centre workers at Centrelink will lose their jobs before the end of the year according to the Community and Public Sector Union.

Battling increasing waiting times, more than 800 workers were hired in May on a temporary basis to deal with the crisis and will be let go on September 27 when their contracts run out. A further 400 will leave at the end of December.

The department has been battling to stay ahead in recent times, dealing with 411,000 outstanding debts to the Commonwealth, more than eight times normal level, and 8000 more than normal claims for disability allowances and pensions on their books.

A department spokeswoman told The Age that "These people are engaged on short-term, non-ongoing contracts or as irregular and intermittent employees to assist with peak times of demand".

Read more from The Age.


Opinion: Your call is important to us

Get used to hearing these words. When the contracts of the first batch of 800 workers expire in September, delays for those contacting Centrelink via phone will become unbearable and it is only expected to get worse.

The staff at Centrelink do an amazing job with the resources at their disposal, but at a time when their department is facing a record high demand for services and are dealing with an incoming Coalition government determined to cut public service jobs, the future is grim for those seeking information from Centrelink.

The department has made no secret that they operate on a shoe string budget and asked the Government for an additional $30 million of funding to man the phones between the May and September period. So what happens to these 1200 workers who no longer have a job? They are being let go at the most difficult time in the cycle to find a new job. Do they go back into the line to collect a benefit from the Government, similar to what they are being paid currently?

A spokeswoman for Centrelink told The Age that the additional call centre staff were employed to deal with increased demand during the peak May-to-September period, and that they were no longer required to meet demand. We will have to wait and see. My money is on longer delays, a steady increase in phone rage and the dissatisfaction of Centrelink employees reaching record highs.

What do you think? Are essential services such as Centrelink under-funded? Is Drew’s assessment spot on or is he scare mongering?





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    Chookman
    18th Sep 2013
    10:13am
    As an ex employee of this organisation I have been writing to the former minister, and the papers to try and get something done. It is not only the call centres that are being impacted, 5 offices I know of personally have now reduced their face to face staffing by 90% - and this is BEFORE the coalition starts on downsizing the PS by another 12,000. It is highly probable that in the near future anyone who does not access C'link services online will be chanelled into the Post Offices to get their services. As far as call wait times - currently at 90 minutes - they will become "leave us a number and we will call you"
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    1:34pm
    Chookman - Centrelink contact already is at the, "leave us a number and we will call you".

    The Centrelink website already has a page to fill out with your details, and they will contact you when they're ready.

    It looks like that wait for the call back just got a lot longer.

    The webpage already has a permanent message in bold, that they are "experiencing heavy demand for services".

    https://secure.centrelink.gov.au/sims/frm_ring_back.cfm
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    10:59am
    I totally agree Chookman. Fortunately I only had to to to Centrelink when my lease expired but it has stayed at the same amount and is now open ended. I had reason to ring Centrelink earlier in the year and it was hopeless so I hung up. A friend told me about the ring back option so I did that and a person rang within two days. I feel sorry for these people who work for Centrelink, their stress levels must be very high. The Federal Government needs to be putting on more staff not less....... This particular problem is only going to get worse as the population ages in my humble opinion....
    Jurassicgeek
    20th Sep 2013
    8:20pm
    Whew 2 days? That must be an all time record! I havent succeeded in getting a call yet..I'm beginnning to get lonely. I lodged several call backs via their very own website in the last 3 months. No action at all. I was in there today and was told we have a 14 day turnaround for call backs!...I forget what I wanted to ask by that time..so if they were to surprise me and ring me back I'd have to make something up ...My suggestion.... dont bother with them unless you can remember what you wanted to know....
    Penqueen1949
    21st Sep 2013
    3:12pm
    Jurassicgeek, There was provision to say what I wanted Centrelink to call me back about so I provided it. When it comes to my precious pets health and welfare I'm not likely to forget my query......
    dougie
    18th Sep 2013
    11:17am
    I find it uncomfortable to have to go to a Centrelink Office and to stand and wait with many people whom I would not normally mix. I also have found over the years that should there be a survey to be completed that it always seems to fall on me. When asked why the answer was "look around." I am not a snob nor am I wealthy but I do try to maintain my standards.
    Try to use the phone system to advise of any changes etc and be frustrated out of your mind. The internet will only allow you to do so many things again frustration.
    The people working at the call centres have cost a lot of money to train but they are certainly worth every cent when you can get to them.
    Then again this may be only a union instigated rumour attack as has applied to nursing staff throughout the country in an effort I believe to try to increase union membership. So many left when the Williamson / Thompson scandals broke that they are now suffering badly from such membership decline.
    MITZY
    18th Sep 2013
    12:05pm
    Dougie: ABS figures: ABS estimates cover 1.9 million employees who were a member of a trade union. Of these 1.8 million were members in their main job. This figure has been constant for the past three (3) years.
    student
    18th Sep 2013
    1:51pm
    oh dougie, dougie, dougie.(unfortunately) the unions hold little power compared to years ago.

    As for not usually mixing with those in a line at Centrelink... well pardon me!!

    If I have the option of talking/using a (robot) machine or a real person,always go for the real person (they have bills to pay too). I always use a real check-out chick in the super market and not the do-it-yourself check out. I like to think I am keeping someone in a job.
    unicorn
    18th Sep 2013
    11:18am
    Some will not be missed but let's hope it will be these that go. Probably not as Abbott does not care as long as the budget looks okay.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    11:45am
    unicorn on what do you base your comment re Mr Abbott.
    He has only been there offically for 24 hrs, give him a break for pitys sake.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    12:09pm
    Poor Tony Abbott is only being sworn in today. What is wrong with all you losers??
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    2:10pm
    Surfer...just like your mate surfer...both use that disgusting YANK terminology 'loser'. I wouldn't even apply that term to Tony Abbott even though Murdoch's marionette surely would be one of those.

    No with Murdoch at the helm....NO services and benefits to the people are safe!
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    3:54pm
    Now now Must-you-rate, are you some sort of authority on terms of english used. You need to pull your yourself together. Heard from Simmo you had joined Tony's team but did not want your labor mates to know.
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    5:41pm
    Surfer, there is no need for derogatory terms when addressing anyone......including people who may have a different opinion to you.

    18th Sep 2013
    11:42am
    I agree that trying to contact Centrelink by telephone is about as easy as having teeth extracted without a needle.

    The staff at my local CL office are most helpful and polite but I do not know what the telephone call centre staff are like as I have never been able to get a answer so I hang up.

    I hope we are not seeing the baby being thrown out with the bath water.

    I am sure there is a lot of "dead wood" that needs to be pruned so the tree can flourish and provide a bounteous harvest "but softly ,softly catchee monkey."
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    2:16pm
    Bofor
    Murdoch's boy certainly is responsible. Notice that contracts will NOT be renewed or negotiated falls totally into Abbott's gambit.

    What, you think that the non-renewal will be someone else's fault! Who!??....of course it is Rudd's fault... or maybe Gillard... eeerrhh Whitlam.

    Softly, softly you say, so that the general public are not aware of what is happening? Murdoch doesn't have time.... he has three years to get control of Australia.... that's not long. He has to move quickly. The Marionette is performing well... he is now in sync when he speaks!
    aquatrek
    21st Sep 2013
    3:50pm
    your the only stuffed wooden puppet doll on here Mussitate.
    Its a shame all of your strings are broken except for the one that moves the lower jaw up and down.
    scratch
    18th Sep 2013
    11:46am
    I was fully agreeing with the comments from Dougie until I read the last paragraph,then I realised this was just another liberal supporter taking a swipe at unions, I bet you stuck your hungry paw out for every hard fought for pay increase and improved working conditions won by hard working union members Dougie!
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    11:48am
    Touchy are we scratch?
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    12:12pm
    AAAaaa some pruning at last. Makes for more efficiency and saves us tax payers some dough. Not before time.
    Koala
    18th Sep 2013
    12:50pm
    you pay tax surfer?
    thought you were on the pension.

    i'm on the pension but my darling young wife works and keeps me in the lifestyle I was accustomed to :)
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    2:24pm
    Oh dear.... the three monkeys but all with their heads up their "ask your mother for sixpence".

    Got no patience with you clowns today.

    Surfer and surfer... your time has elapsed... your one liner stupidity statements are getting more and more pathetic. Bofor, well you are just a 'would be if you could be' boy... when your worth and income increases humongously, then maybe your views would be listened to..... who the hell votes for the wealthy elite, just to be screwed by them, otherwise. keith, you were doing fine until you crapped on about your off the shelf purchase.... more like slavery to me.... tell me again how much she loves you?
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    3:56pm
    Good on you Keith, you have the best of both worlds. I hope to get a pension in the near future. Then I will send the boss out to work. Great idea.
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:10pm
    Aha--- The headmaster Must-you-rate has spoken. I heard you joined Tony's crew, but don't want your labor mates to know. Just a hyena and spreading lies as usual. You just cannot handle views contrary to your own. Just a selfish old dickhead with no brains. Lots are complaining about you and we are sick of listening to a fool. Wake your ideas up you stupid old goat.
    Pass the Ductape
    18th Sep 2013
    4:51pm
    Steady on surfer.....Give Mussi a break! After all that work they put in to blame Murdoch for Australia's position on all things in general - whomever Mussi is - they took it on the chin when Krudd got the chop. I expect it really did hurt at the time; particularly as it seems that no-one appeared to take much notice of their diatribe at the time.

    But then, if you were hoping to be put in charge of the..... 'They Who Know Everything About Everything Portfolio, I expect you'd be a little testy as well.

    You hang in there Mussi - your time will come! We'll all be giving Abbott a dose of his own medicine when the time is right. Be patient and keep that Thesaurus handy.
    dougie
    18th Sep 2013
    5:22pm
    Wrong again Scratch, I was a union member for most of my life and in fact worked in areas that were members only. The only people that I saw the union organisers help were themselves. So no I am not a Liberal lackey, just a clear and honest thinker.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    7:37pm
    dougie
    Not sure about the clearness of your thinking but will reserve my opinion for now, old boy.... couldn't vouch for the honesty bit but I will take your word for it.

    I also have had dealings (professional) with unions and there is a certainly some amount of 'retaining' their job BUT that is also true of ANY corporation??? Why should union workers have a higher standard than corporate workers. Other than that, they DID do a lot for the workers, especially in the area of SAFETY. Are you suggesting that individual workers are in a position to take on corporations.... even tiny ones.... I don't think your honesty would allow you to believe that.


    !!!!****!!!!!
    Re my 2:24pm post above..... not my finest moment but wanted to know how it felt to just be abusive and nasty without holding back.... BUT in the end I DID HOLD BACK (a hell of a lot) and simply came across as surly. Wasn't all that fulfilling either! Oh well, back to being just ME.

    To those that the comment was NOT directed at .... I extend an apology, being crass simply does nothing for my complexion!

    URFER
    You poor old soul.... don't like your own medicine thrown back at you.... you sound even more surly than I did but without the finesse.

    DUCTAPE
    I don't think Rudd worried too much about the loss.... how would you feel if you had busted a gut to PUT AUSTRALIA at the TOP of the WORLD in just about EVERYTHING and because MURDOCH and the other corporate mainstream media TOLD Australians that this government was bad for Australia, they believed it and voted him out. I would have taken a big breathe of RELIEF, that he didn't have to keep PUTTING OUT for a moronic public....well 51% of them anyway.

    Winston Churchill - Quote: "The best argument against democracy is a five minute chat with a voter"

    Re: the thesaurus.... not needed much BUT I do have trouble with my SPELLING of late... I can only put it down to old age, I guess. Hence, I do appreciate those little red dots under a word that show that something is not spelled properly.

    Thanks for your 'concern' Ductape but it is not necessary.... as I will have the final say... which will go something like.... I TOLD YOU SO (followed by a big raspberry)!

    RAT
    Where are you, you are soooooo MUCH funnier (in a clever way) and would be able to wrap this all up with wonderful HUMOUR.
    MITZY
    18th Sep 2013
    11:49am
    Where I live we have a government building approx. 2 years old which includes Centrelink, Medicare, and other government entities. As you enter you are greeted by a Centrelink employee who asks you what you are there for and directs you to a comfortable lounge and lets you know roughly how long it will be before you see someone. There is T.V. to occupy your time. Being newly built, modern, phone facilities etc. to speak to someone about your problem, internet facility to communicate on line if you don't have that facility at home is also available.
    I've been in a couple of times in the last 14 months since my husband passed away, and found the waiting time not more than 15 to 20 minutes. Staff very courteous and helpful and excellent at letting you know what your entitlements are.
    I do much prefer to sit next to or opposite a human being to discuss my problems. I am not very interested in putting my position to someone on line.
    In the past, I've found the most effective way of dealing with my local branch is to write a letter stating clearly my position and asking for an appointment to discuss the matter. This has always been attended to fairly quickly and once you have a specific time to see a Centrelink employee, you hardly wait at all. Face to face is the best method, if you are able to visit a centre close to where you reside. I will be very disappointed if there are cuts to funding and cuts to staff.
    I have a mobile phone which is 7 years old now and I use it rarely, but always to speak to somebody, NOT TEXTING. I have, of course, the ability to communicate here by posting comments, but rarely use an e-mail at home. I prefer to speak to people.
    Modern communications are causing the younger people today to be practically illiterate.
    We don't need to be robbed of communicating by word of mouth with government departments as well. It would be better to keep the current temporary staff permanently, maybe on reduced hours rather than employing and dismissing and re-employing for peak periods. I'm sure in a lot of regional/country areas these people would appreciate the constancy of employment, being it reduced hours or part-time.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    12:10pm
    Spot on Egyptian I am in total agreement and we have the same service where I live.

    I like your reference to the spelling ability of many of our young ones, but have a look how many on this forum do not use a capital letter at the beginning of their name.
    MITZY
    18th Sep 2013
    12:20pm
    Thanks Bofor: I note Your Life Choices (17/9) indicated that we can talk to Centrelink this Friday VIA FACEBOOK and pose our queries?! Well that's just another way of not communicating to me, I would hate the whole world to know my personal business. My brother (in the U.K.) has been asking me to join Facebook for about 6 years now and I keep saying no no no. If I won't communicate with him that way, why would I communicate with CentreLink that way?
    Hasbeen
    18th Sep 2013
    2:17pm
    That sounds pretty good Egyptian. I have not been to centrelink for some years, & have had a problem standing in line, with knee & back problems. For this reason I preferred to contact them by phone. I put nothing private on line, ever.

    I had a fair bit to do with them when my mother was still alive, & found no message, just an engaged signal on the aged line, sometimes for 3 or more days.

    I found you could always get through quickly on the non English speaking number. I used this for years, being transferred once through, now however they won't let English speakers through. I guess our foreign language speakers are still getting superior service, & it is just those born here who get none.
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    11:59am
    I can't help but wonder when the Centrelink call centre will be based overseas to save money for the precious deficit ....... I would not be the least surprised if or when it happened.....
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    12:05pm
    Oh golly gosh there will be more work for them.
    bubyshka
    18th Sep 2013
    1:11pm
    OH pen please don't giving them anymore bright ideas, me thinks they have to many already.
    Yes its terrible that centerlink call centers are losing their jobs. Indeed i agree with one of the comments here also. WHY should i go to facebook and comment live........WHY don't they come here to the Choices and comment . I'll ask them the questions and they can comment and when i get a reply it will be emailed to me or otherwise a link will be sent to me etc.......
    I m AM NOT in FACEbook and not going there anytime too soon thanks :)

    18th Sep 2013
    12:04pm
    Same old story - get rid of a host of coalface workers and retain the fat cats, who essentially do nothing but 'plan' and hold meetings like some sort of big wig needing to organise a huge operation.

    As usual, the idea is that technology will 'make our lives easier' - OK - I have no trouble personally with handling the internet, but many do - and one thing that annoys me beyond words is making a phone call to be run around some crazy system (some of which don't answer your question then offer you a hangup and a need to visit an office anyway!), and then wait for it to come to me,the customer.

    I'd also like to point out one rather odd feature, that impacts on all businesses and industries - when you stop employing people, those people in many cases join the growing list of un- and under-employed - and - to put it simply - when people have no income to speak of, the demand for goods goes down. Sure - we all know there is no requirement on government to actually make a profit other than imposing taxes and 'user pays' imposts in a pretence of 'running like a business', but my point is that incomes across the economy affect that economy. No money - no economy (duh).

    I'd venture to suggest that it is way past time that those in 'government' here started to take note of their own people's plight - with 40% and growing of the workforce (alone!) not in regular paid income.

    Footnote:- Was this staff reduction in train before Bro To got in, or is it a new 'initiative'?
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    12:17pm
    Lot of sense in your comment but did you really need the ending in African American street talk.
    We are Australians, let us be proud of it and cut out the uneducated language of others. Stick with Aussie slang, in my travels overseas people are intrigued with us and our way of speaking.

    The Bro To is pure unadulterated laziness.
    bubyshka
    18th Sep 2013
    1:22pm
    and I have to add to Grapplers comments.
    How will some of these ppl survive. What if they are the only parent, have a housepayment to make, have lots of kids to feed.
    Lovely mmm they go back in line@ centerlink, as another said here, they have been trained and everything.....thats REAL Stupid, and thoughtless.
    They certainly not helping the economy doing stuff like that!!!
    bubyshka
    18th Sep 2013
    1:24pm
    OH P.S yes we live in australia Speak Australian.
    I can do the slang thing too......and not put capital letters at the start of sentences, so what thats a real tiny problem in comprasion to what is going on in this country lately?? Vote for MY Katarr/ or clive........the other donkeys don't know what they doing it seems?
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    7:47pm
    The Grappler
    Well said!

    Bofor
    Out of the total comment which was quite intelligent, you attack one thing only.... a word in the Footnote.... rather inane isn't it. If you attacked Urfer about the use of the Americanism 'loser' that would have given you some credibility, as Urfer only spins out one liner insults to people with absolutely NO content! BUT alas, you never did..... shame!
    sensible senior
    19th Sep 2013
    9:57am
    NO MUSSY i think you insult yourself because i do not think that anybody could be so stupid as what you have to say
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    1:29am
    SS
    "i think you insult yourself" "i do not think that anybody could be so stupid as what you have to say" ....

    I have a RULE, do NOT post after you have tossed back a few.

    Bloody hell SS, you leave yourself WIDE OPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are so lucky I am feeling rather KIND tonight.

    18th Sep 2013
    12:18pm
    No, get rid of all the fat cats. Remember far too many chiefs and not enough Indians. We need good workers, and at last will get rid of all these assistant to the assistant to the supervisor to the foreman and the foremans assistant and his advisor. Well due. Sick of the squandering of our hard earned tax money.
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    12:24pm
    Surfer, people who work in Centrelinks call centres are hardly to quote you 'fat cats'...... they are very necessary, coal face workers which is what this discussion is about.....
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:16pm
    I did not mean the service people in Centrelink call centres, but refer to the top brass everywhere. Service workers are the indians, not the chiefs.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    8:21pm
    URFER
    Wow.... that is UNREAL. We have a comment by 'S'urfer and a response by 's'urfer in the same comment stream. For goodness sake, get yourself together and decide who the hell is on today!!!

    If you are sick of the squandering of our hard earned tax money, why are you glad Murdoch's marionette has been elected.

    They plan to pay out $29 billion of tax payers money on a THROW AWAY internet system that is OUT of DATE before it is even laid..... no!...sorry.... out of date, right NOW! PLUS this throw away $29 BILLION it is NOT recoverable because the speeds are so slow, no money can be acquired to repay the COST of this system - UNLIKE Labor's NBN! On top of this, it will jeopardise Australia's future economic wellbeing and put us behind the rest of the world in IT and Innovation. Hell we are 89 in the world listing:

    Here is a LINK: http://www.netindex.com/upload/allcountries/

    It is embarrassing.... here are some of the countries that are above us Andorra, Republic of Moldova, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macau, Romania, Iceland, Latvia, Aland Islands, Georgia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Kazakstan, Vietnam, Tajikistan, Czech Republic, Estonia, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, Slovakia, Rwanda, Slovenia, New Zealand, Hungary, Ecuador......

    Australia NEEDS labor's NBN to stabilise our future, it will last up to 100 years as it is upgradable, the cost is fully recoupable, it is CHEAP when compared to the Liberals NFN.

    The Libs NFN has NEVER been submitted for COSTING by government AUDITORS. The $29 BILLION does NOT include the NBN work already completed by Labor; the cost of two new power stations that will need to be built to handle the air conditioning required for the millions of NODES; nor the HUGE maintenance costs paid to Telstra for the copper wiring.

    So URFER, you complain about a few Fat Cats which we are all inclined to dislike BUT you are okay with THROWING AWAY $29 BILLION PLUS..... with Labor's NBN work done, the 2x power stations and the ANNUAL multi million dollar maintenance bill.... we could easily be looking at a total cost of up to $80 BILLION. Spent on absolute RUBBISH, to APPEASE Murdoch's POCKET.

    No sorry URFER, you have had NO comment on this TOTAL WASTAGE of TAXPAYERS MONEY, so you have absolutely NO CREDIBILITY! END OF STORY.
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    12:20pm
    To me this is an example of our typical Politicians intelligence, ( Or lack of intelligence maybe). Over here in WA our Liberal Gov't seems to think our population is shrinking, and the other 2 million people here know that our population is growing. Why else would they be reducing the finance and number of teaching staff for our schools? I have been a Liberal voter for the last 55 years, but am starting to think the 4X4 Party might make more sense.
    student
    18th Sep 2013
    2:06pm
    less people means less cost (more profit)
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    9:07pm
    YS
    Barnett is a moderate and probably better than many of the WA Premiers but even he has got WA into debt which is why WA has been stripped of its Triple A (AAA) credit rating. The first time in a DECADE that WA has not had a AAA credit rating, apparently.

    For a State that is earning extra from their own Mining Tax and in the middle of a mining boom, and who have increased many State taxes, it is very surprising. I know that the road coming in from the airport has been wonderfully upgraded and that the railway in Perth has been sunk, both being the completion of the previous State Labor government infrastructure upgrades, wasn't it?

    I LIKE BARNETT.... maybe he has been trying to do too much too quickly (as he stated).

    I know some State services are now being undertaken by big conglomerates which include foreign owned entities, such as Serco (this corporation CONTROLS the world and is everywhere). Maybe that is where a lot of the money is going...they make big profits out of governments, especially Serco.

    Barnett has foreshadowed drastic budget measures to try to get the credit rating back up.

    Sheez..... I hope they don't get rid of him and put that bloke in his place....(forget his name)...the one that sniffs chairs after women have been sitting in them.
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    10:40pm
    Mussitate, I am a complete non believer, but I think it is almost a mirracle that I almost agree with you. Yes I am a Liberal voter and voted for the libs in the last State election. But having said that, I think Barnett is the most arrogant state leader in Australia. He is so far off the mark he thinks that next year there will be an extra 9,000 school children and that means it is OK to reduce the number of teachers and school workers by a thousand. Even a 5 year old kindergarten kid could see where he is wrong and he can not. I think he is older than 5 years as well. In fact I am sure he is older than 5 years, surely you have to be older than 5 years to be a State Premier?
    edly
    19th Sep 2013
    8:45pm
    And isn't it interesting that WA Liberal Government that campaigned on economic management has just had the State downgraded to AA+ financial rating.

    18th Sep 2013
    12:30pm
    I once waited so long on a Centrelink call that I decided to answer my question myself, and discovered later that I was correct.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    1:17pm
    Well done, why don`t you apply for a job at a call centre?
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    2:02pm
    I enjoy the $950 fortnight pension...but ringing Centrelink is a waste of time
    coralm
    18th Sep 2013
    12:50pm
    I just wonder how they intend to answer our questions in the future. Last time I rang I waited over 45 minutes and still had no satisfaction. Just hope I never have any more questions or problems. As for registering to get a callback without waiting, who can remember 3 more questions and answers for proof of identity - please have them ready, make sure the answers are long and not just 2 or 3 words!!! What a joke.
    bubyshka
    18th Sep 2013
    1:16pm
    i agree its disgusting the long wait over the phone and its dreadful the long wait at the local office of mine (3030) especially if your an oldie.
    there are only so many passwords i can remember.
    and to discuss what i need to discuss i wish to do it face to face not via the computer. Not impressed with having my health issues on line either.....
    Crazy world, YOU know that computer do have the tendency to break down especially when you need them the most mmm????
    confucius
    18th Sep 2013
    1:00pm
    Wake up Surfer! If 1200 get booted out of Centrelink then they'll go on the dole and taxpayers will still pay their benefits...
    student
    18th Sep 2013
    2:09pm
    .. plus they have no money to spend in the economy. Less people working = more on the dole = less stuff being bought in the economy.
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:21pm
    confucious---- I was referring to the chiefs, not the indians. You know, the guys on huge salaries that produce nothing. Thousands of them. I feel sorry for the service you will not get from Centrelink and for the work force there.
    Jurassicgeek
    18th Sep 2013
    1:08pm
    These people must be on drugs ... sack 1200 and say the hold times wil be unbearable?
    The hold times are already unbearable!!!! They are making it harder and harder to contact them so thay dont have to deal with our problems...What a bunch of dickheads.....
    bubyshka
    18th Sep 2013
    1:18pm
    Yes and who knows what the hell will happen when they get sacked...
    I too wonder what stupid twat, decided that thats what needs to happen.......
    SOME idiot?
    student
    18th Sep 2013
    2:13pm
    Jurassic, I get sick of hearing "We are experiencing unusual heavy call rates. We hope you understand" ... well yes I do understand, you are too mireable to employ more people and my time is not as valuable as yours!!

    Technology will see us all out of work.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    6:59pm
    Student how very true is your comment in regards technology will see us all out of work.

    There are two reasons why people have been losing their jobs over the past several years.
    One is the advent of technology that has made thousands of people redundant with press of a button doing the work of these people. Don`t get me wrong I realise we need progress and technology is part of that. However the coffers of the huge technology suppliers William Gates and the like make it well worth their money spent on promoting the technology supplied by them. This leads to fantastic marketing which has led to unemployment as employers embrase this same marketed product.
    The second thing responsible for mass unemployment is the constant demands for increased wages made on employers, and I do not have to tell you who is behind all these demands. Again don`t get me wrong I am not anti unions, I respect what the original intent was but the tail has started wagging the dog.
    Penalty rates etc have priced Australian workers out of a job and for those of you who say no stop and think. Why would a employer pay outlandish rates for someone to work "after hours" when the same work can be done by a person in the Philippines for a fraction of the price.
    Note the "after hours", there are no after hours, that is a term dreamed up by someone, hours are hours are hours there are NO after hours.
    I hear someone say "Well outside normal trading hours"
    Bull twang, if a store is open every Sunday that is its "normal trading hours."

    Go get them pussy.
    Nightshade
    18th Sep 2013
    8:23pm
    THEY ARE THE PROBLEM
    BUT AS USUAL IT IS BLAME THE VICTIM
    THERE ARE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A JOB
    HARD WORKING PEOPLE
    WHO ARE UNEMPLOYED
    e.g., all the hard working people who BOND clothing factory sacked
    e.g., all the hard working people who the auto industries have sacked
    and the list goes on
    Dedicated, loyal, honest Australians who are being abused by CENTRELINK STAFF.
    WHO WOULD KILL FOR A JOB
    BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE GOV. CAN ONLY FIND TO EMPLOY THE LAZY.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    9:31pm
    Bofor
    Disagree, we are NOT a third world country and we are NOT the Philippines, China or Vietnam, etc. We pay our workers a FAIR days pay for a FAIR days work.

    OUR standard of living is extremely HIGH simply because we are doing very, very well in Australia. It costs a lot, lot more MONEY to live here than it does in the Philippines, China or Vietnam, etc.

    If people do not have sufficient wages, then money stops being circulated in the economy and other industries and business falter and disappear. It is NOT the wages that is the problem, it is the amount of money coming in the door and if people don't have the money to SPEND then the economy falters - I call it the 'circle of life'.

    The sort of economics you are talking of, is OUTDATED and ANTIQUATED and is what is espoused by the USA and their corporate controllers. Currently in the USA people have to work two or more PART-TIME jobs to bring home the equivalent of OUR pension. Walmart pays $7.45 an hour to their workers which is disgusting - at one time Walmart didn't pay them at all and simply gave them Walmart vouchers instead!!!!

    That is NOT where Australia wants to go and is a road to DISASTER, just look at the USA (poverty growing and people living in tent cities (50million of them), slums expanding, PUBLIC education & PUBLIC health non existent, no jobs, crime an everyday occurrence, drugs out of control and the economy dying).

    In relation to manufacturing in Australia, small business (the crux of this country) are still providing this country with things that are required AND doing it well.

    THAT is JUST one more REASON we need LABOR'S NBN, so that we can become CREATIVE & INNOVATIVE and be able to export these products and skills to the rest of the world. Whilst China and the likes innovates in manufacturing, we in Australia can find our own niche, besides mining and agriculture.

    No....Bofor.... decreasing workers wages only increases PROFITS at the expense of the ECONOMY. The start of the decline....
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    5:42pm
    God you ramble on and say bugger all Mussitate.

    Show me where 50Million citizens of the U.S.A. are living in tents.
    Facts:
    Lithgow Small Arms factory provided rifles to the UK and Canada.
    Australia had a aircraft industry.
    Australia made Victa Lawn mowers.
    Australia made the Hills hoist.
    Australia produced refrigerators, washing machines and dryers.
    Australia had large plastic production plants.
    Australia had spinning mills.
    Australia had locomotive building capabilities.
    Australia had a clothing industry.
    The lost goes on.
    How many of these exist today?
    Why?
    Because we priced ourselves out of the market with huge pay rises.
    You obviously do not need a large salary to live, ask any pensioner.
    Aurora60
    18th Sep 2013
    1:09pm
    Maybe calls will be outsourced - it's cheaper..........
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    3:25pm
    Good on ya Aurora60, NOT. I for one don't want to have to deal with someone from an Indian or Malaysian call centre who has no interest in my problem and can't be understood either. I certainly want Australians gainfully employed in jobs in Australia, not some overseas call centre......
    raymondp
    18th Sep 2013
    1:16pm
    Sorry Surfer , go back to your boogie board and reap the benfits of having abviously voted for the RAbbott. Sorriest day in Australia's history.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    1:21pm
    Sour grapes Raymondp?

    Have you forgotten Gough Whitlam?
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    2:44pm
    Bofor
    Gough Whitlam should NEVER be forgotten... he GAVE so much to the Australian PEOPLE. He gave us FREE HEALTH, FREE TERTIARY EDUCATION for our kids - entry based on ability and NOT WEALTH, FIRST CONTRACT WITH CHINA, (with Lional MURPHY) removed the ENGLISH PRIVY COUNCIL from the AUSTRALIAN LEGAL SYSTEM..... etc, etc,

    MURDOCH was again instrumental in ensuring that everyone hated this incredible man who was a 'silver spooner' that cared more for the average Australian, than anyone else. Brilliant statesman, much respected around the world...ONLY Australian to get a STANDING OVATION on the steps of the White House in the USA.

    Whitlam refused to nominate MURDOCH to the queen for the honour of being 'Sir' Rupert Murdoch. Whitlam allowed him to think he would nominate him but when the list came out MURDOCH was not on it..... THAT IS WHEN THE RELENTLESSLY DISGUSTING PUBLICITY BEGAN.

    It is typical that you Bofor can STILL get roped in by a U.S. Billionaire - MURDOCH'S corporate MEDIA empire.

    Nothing has changed, people are STILL stupid and easily manipulated.
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:29pm
    Bofor ---- Look out, you have Must-you-rate breathing down your neck, spreading more lies and drivill. Poor old chap is confused and obsessed with Murdoch. It takes a manuscript for him to express himself. He takes his medication about now for his delirious idiotic statements. They don't know how lucky they are. I well remember that fool Whitlam. Sent us all broke.
    Paddles
    18th Sep 2013
    4:39pm
    Mussitate

    I agree (surprise) that E G Whitlam should not be erased from the memory bank lest the proletariat be tempted to elect his ilk again. Remember the four "C's"....Cairns, Connor, Crean and Cameron who collectively screwed the country and, in the case of Jim Cairns, also Judi Morosi?

    Whitlam was a giant intellect but he eschewed the mundane problems of the country that he was elected to lead in favour of striding the ruins of civilisations past. That he was accorded a standing ovation at the White House is made easier to remember when you consider that the same thing didn't happen in his own country.

    You are very liberal (and wrong) in cataloguing the "free" things that he bestowed upon the lesser ranks of his fellow countrymen. It should be obvious to all that your statement is precisely aligned with what has proven to be the "modern" Labor rhetoric and thinking. The fact is, NOTHING is FREE. It all has to be paid for and the last time I looked, public expenditure was funded by (wait for it) the public duh!

    The very last time that I got gloriously pissed was on November 11, 1975.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    7:15pm
    Mussitate you are so off the bullseye you would not even score a "outer"

    I am one of the few people who today will admit they voted for Gough Whitlam.

    As far as your claim he gave us "free" health he did no such thing, I think you mean free health treatment, because I came to live in Queensland in 1964 and there was free medical and hospital treatment.With regards the tertiary education maybe that is why we have so many educated ratbags today.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    7:25pm
    Furthter to your Murdoch tirade Mussitate I personally have NOT purchased a newspaper in 30 years. Life in 3D death,doom & despair.
    , that is what newspapers are. I have a daughter who was a journalist for years but even she got sick of it and tossed in the towel.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    10:35pm
    Bofor

    Qld was the only state that had free health care which Peterson took false credit for. So, what, the rest of Australia didn't have it. Today we have a very watered down version. Each liberal government (and one Labor government) since has continued to whittle these wonderful things down, so that we have less and less of a good system.... unless you have money, that is. The PRIVATE health system is incredibly well funded WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY.

    There you go Bofor.... just remove the billions of taxpayers funds, handed on a platter to the more wealthy in our society, to fund THEIR... PRIVATE HEALTH services AND INFRASTRUCTURE. Simply reclaim the hospitals and put it back to PUBLIC..... the savings would allow us again have a FREE system! You see we are also PAYING for these PRIVATE HEALTH institutions to MAKE HUGE PROFITS!!!

    Now to the FACT, that YOU did read Murdoch's reviews of WHITLAM. Whitlam was well gone by the time you put down your last newspaper. Hence, your views of WHITLAM have been well and truly modelled by MURDOCH and have stayed with you all these years. Such an effect the corporate (foreign) owned media has on people.

    Now into your rather backward statement that your kids or grand kids, should not have the opportunity to go to university, even if they have the aptitude but not the wealth, as it will stop them from being 'ratbags'. Sounds like you are into the English Class system whereby you look up to your superiors and stop your own kids from advancing because they should 'know their place'.

    Come on Bofor, I truly know that you aren't like that..... why say such things!!! Your own daughter MUST have gone to university if she was a qualified journalist.

    .

    Paddles

    Better taxpayers money be spent on PUBLIC institutions for ALL Australians, to provide better services and benefits than to pour taxpayers money into PRIVATE pockets for the benefit of a select few or the more wealthy in society!!! So your comment about the HEALTH & TERTIARY Education, NOT being FREE, is totally inane and ridiculous!

    Cairns and Morossi.... oh, big deal. Even IF Abbott got lucky and had an affair, I would also say big deal... has nothing to do with how this country is run.

    Your way of thinking is STRAIGHT from MURDOCH.... no thought, no enquiring mind, just blind following... not much different to Hitlers followers.

    You don't have to like Whitlam's brilliance but you should have the grace to simply acknowledge his achievements FOR US, the people. DUH!!! but you are that far doped out on Murdoch's indoctrination, you see nothing but Murdoch's BILE at Whitlam refusing to put him on the 'Sir' list.

    In reminding me that Whitlam was revered outside Australia and NOT inside Australia, gives you some clues, that you were and still are, along with many other Australians, totalling indoctrinated by the MURDOCH and other corporate mainstream media.

    The recent election, PROVES BEYOND DOUBT that Australians are indoctrinated by the disgustingly biased, unjust and undemocratic bleatings of Murdoch and the other Corporate (foreign) owned, mainstream MEDIA.

    Why else would a people kick out a government that put Australia's economy at the very TOP of the WORLD and made Australia the most EGALITARIAN nation in the WORLD which means that the average person is RICHER than EVER before!!!! All that done, when every other country is flailing and economically in dire straits???? THINK PADDLES....THINK.

    Here is some stats that will confirm what I have said, re: the Murdoch press:

    FACT:
    Daily Telegraph - 293 political stories:

    6x pro labor
    134x ANTI LABOR
    43x pro Coalition
    5x anti Coalition

    PS..... please ANYONE tell me why Rupert Murdoch, should be SIR rupert murdoch.... I can't see one thing that this bloke has done for ANYONE except HIMSELF.
    MITZY
    18th Sep 2013
    11:20pm
    Mussitate: My late husband said mostly everybody who received the honour of being called SIR or any of those other titles after their names from the honours listings were definitely crooks.
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    9:22pm
    MUSSITATE,my daughter who was a journalist did NOT repeat did NOT go to university and in fact had not finished year 5 at high school when she applied for a position as a copy person at a Suday paper in Brisbane. You know what a copy person is, the dogs body gopher. Well she applied herself and was a good dogs body.

    Due to her apptitude she was promoted to a `D`Grade trainee journalist at age 18yrs.

    Within another year she was upped to `C` Grade.

    Then she was offered a position with the Daily Mirror in Sydney writing Sydney articles from a Queenslanders perspective.

    She was not happy in the "big smoke" and claimed the best thing to come out of Sydney was the highway North.

    Her discontent reached the ears of the Editor of Brisbane Courier Mail who contacted her and based on his knowledge of her ability offered her a `B` Grade journalists position in the business section of the Courier Mail.

    All this and she had just turned 21. She got a Australia scoop on the take over of Fourex Brewery by Bond .
    She had bylines almost every day, in case you do not know what a byline is, it is when they put "By Joe Blow" at the beginning of a story. It is a great accolade to have bylines.
    So you see you do not have to go to Uni to succeed, all you have to do is apply yourself.
    I stick by my comment regards over educated out of work University Graduates who are a bunch of rat bags who could not find a place in a real world situation.

    You do not send ducks to eagle school.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    1:59am
    Your final statement "you do not send ducks to eagle school" is very, very sad indeed.

    I was correct, you belong to the ENGLISH CLASS SYSTEM where you "know your place".

    Not happy about being right in this instance. I thought more of you Bofor. No seriously, I am very upset at that last line of your comment.

    This is Australia Bofor we don't have UPPER CLASSES here, things are based on ability not WEALTH and STATUS and that is the way it should stay.

    We don't have 'ducks' and 'eagles' we have people that are given the opportunity if they want it.... end of story.

    No you don't have to go to university to succeed but that really is not the point, is it!

    You talk about lowering wages to compete with the likes of China, etc which is ridiculous and then in the next breathe say that ordinary people should not have access to universities. We can't compete with China as labourers BUT we can as scientists, economists, ecologists, etc,etc. We have to step up a level and ensure we are innovative and progressive.

    If you simply say those with wealth get educated, then you leave out 70% of the population and from those we may get scientists that invent and create commercial opportunities. If Australia stops doing that, we will drop out of all contention for maintaining our standard of living. China is trying very hard right now to lift their populations education levels, so that they can eventually be the creators and not the factory floor.

    The only real world you are talking about Bofor will look something like David Copperfield and Australia certainly doesn't want to go there.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    9:12am
    Mussitate you appear to be in La La Land.
    When did I mention China?
    You do not understand the meaning of not sending ducks to eagle school.
    Let me explain the concept. If every body has access to free university education irrespective of their actual ability to learn the skills required of then it would be like sending a duck to eagle school. The duck could never learn to soar with the eagles.
    This applies to us in that it is no good sending anyone,rich poor or in between, to University. You see I am not saying only the rich get educated, I am saying your natural aptitude is what is important so open slather at Uni is not the answer.

    Understand now, MATE, bit hard to soar with eagles when you are surrounded by turkeys.

    Signed Bofor from the upper crust aged pension brigade, Ho Hum.
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    4:32am
    You are not making sense Bofor....... you still have to QUALIFY to get into university, it is merely FREE for all those that QUALIFY!!!!!! DUH! DUH! and another DUH! for being a spiteful dick.

    Hence, IF you HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENTER UNIVERSITY, then you are NOT INHIBITED from doing so, because you don't have enough money.......IT MEANS Bofor THAT ONLY THOSE WITH ABILITY GET TO GO TO UNIVERSITY and those that are WEALTHY BUT DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY DO NOT GO TO UNIVERSITY. Australia gets the CREAM and NOT JUST THE WEALTHY who are mostly NOT the CREAM.

    Wealthy DUCKS cannot BUY their WAY through UNIVERSITY and poor EAGLES can fly high and contribute to this country.

    I understand totally how hard it is for eagles when surrounded by turkeys. Thank goodness, turkeys can't fly....

    I am starting to understand FULLY, Rudd's frustration and then relief when he was released from duty and could soar high in the skies away from the Turkey that took his place AND especially those turkeys who voted for their flightless wonder.

    Enjoy your crust Bofor.... your elected Turkey, won't throw you many, so enjoy the scraps you do get, aye!!!
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    1:34pm
    What a lot of you don't realise is that sacking these Centrelink employees will help pay for todays Bullsh*t at the Governor Generals place this morning. About a 100 chauffeured cars, 100 Military personnel, 100 Morning teas, and 100 tonnes of Bullsh*t. Probably a Million Dollars I reckon. The fat redhead didn't say "So help me God", and one bloke didn't have a bible, and all the kids between 18 months and 6 years would have really comprehended everything.
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:34pm
    A fair statement Simmo. I hate waste to, and there was lots of tea and bickies. I thought Tony was going to get rid of all the pomp and ceremony. They even got a twitter from Rudd who feared he was being out done. It said, off on holidays to lick my wounds and to have some R&R. He could'nt help himself. Cut out the red tape and bull sh*t.
    MITZY
    18th Sep 2013
    11:23pm
    Hi Simmo & Surfer: How come you had time to watch that stupid ceremonial stuff, surely there could have been better things to do.
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    11:41pm
    Hi Egyptian, actually it is a case of allocating your time when you are retired. I find that being retired takes all day, and there is no time left for anything else at the end of the day. SOooooooo I set aside 7.30am to 9.30am to watch ABC 24, then I start my daily retirement program. That equates to the following timetable.
    55 Mins at the computer.
    1 min 30 secs doing a wee.
    1 Min 30 secs saying yes dear to the Mrs.
    1 Min looking out the window at the spunky young neighbour.
    1 min telling the Mrs I was looking at the lawn to see if it needs mowing.
    So as you can see I have a full day, and after 6 cans and 3 Reds, I have no trouble sleeping till tomorrow when it all starts again.
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    11:49pm
    Oop's, I should have specified that, that description was only 1 hour of my busy day. However I do that every hour, every day and am exhausted by the time I finally fall into bed. Can anybody else relate to that sort of exhausting program?
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    10:32am
    Yeah Simmo, I can. I am so busy doing nothing that day dreaming has become the order of the day. Spend half the day sleeping and having night mares about Mussi-bait Then wake up with a start, make an odour and run outside. I then blame the poodle. Such is life.
    Koala
    18th Sep 2013
    2:23pm
    They were hired on a temporary basis to solve a crisis.
    Crisis over - problem solved. The right thing to do is to let them go.

    Now lets get on with the task of fixing the joint. Automate and streamline Centrelink serivces. Get rid of the deadwood and save taxpayers millions.
    Abby
    18th Sep 2013
    2:29pm
    Hmm!! Good to see you :) Back so soon
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    2:51pm
    Yes, of course keith, the crisis has gone.... no one will need to call Centrelink anymore?????

    If it is MONEY that needs to be saved... that is EASY....Centrelink should be taken back by the federal government and REMOVED from PRIVATE HANDS!!!!

    Centrelink should be a totally government run agency..... IMMEDIATELY that would chop out the millions going to the Centrelink operators.

    THEN, with a full sweep of the broom, new ideas, new staff and updated methods could be implemented.

    PRIVATE ENTERPRISE do NOT represent innovation and change, especially when they are a monopoly, government funded and belong to a religious order.

    There you go keith, not a problem.
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:38pm
    Dead right Keith--- Hope they all stop snivilling. Worse than the Poms. Watch out for Must-you-rate. He is a labor stooge paid to stir the pot. Poor old chap is senile and loves Murdoch.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    10:39pm
    surfer

    One liner moronic statements.... you ARE a brainy one.

    Empty and vacuous bits of... well.... NOTHING.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    4:12pm
    My, we are getting scratchy Musti- Bate aren't we? Having a bad hair day?
    Abby
    18th Sep 2013
    2:28pm
    If they cut expenditure on Centrelink or what now is Human Resources then they will have that bit extra to pay to pensioners which is more important than paying pencil pushers.

    I can see nothing wrong with somebody ringing back -- sure better than standing in a line,
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    2:57pm
    No Abby if these people are made redundant from Centrelink, any money saved will go on paying these sacked peoples' unemployment benefits.....these people are NOT pen pushers but vital call centre employees who answer your calls and others to Centrelink.......
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    2:59pm
    No Abby, they are simply cutting services... there will be no advantages coming from any direction.

    You obviously have nothing better to do than wait ALL day for a call to be returned... say no more.

    Oh! those pencil pushers, put the money they earn back into the economy and THEIR taxes help pay your pension. It's called the "circle of life".

    Murdoch's only aim is to remove all services and benefits to the people because he KNOWS the money is better directed into his pocket. He doesn't give a bugger that his OUTDATED, ECONOMIC THEORIES cripple and maim a society, eventually bringing it to a standstill... this is because this piranha simply shifts to other shores to 'feed'.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    3:01pm
    Penqueen1949
    You really are a pen queen ..... excellently put!
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    3:07pm
    Mussitate, thank you very much for the compliment. :-)
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:42pm
    Penqueen, watch Mustitate, He likes to fill the air with his senile statements. Is really a Lib/Nat supporter but does not want his labor friends to know. A wolf in sheeps clothing.
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    6:38pm
    surfer with a small s,
    I was paid a compliment so accepted it graciously because I like to show my manners to a fellow human being. Maybe you should try doing the same......
    sensible senior
    19th Sep 2013
    10:01am
    penqueen1949 i would say that you are mussy in diguise you sure sound like him especially the surfer with a small s
    Abby
    19th Sep 2013
    5:31pm
    They were casuals put on by the government of the day to reduce unemployment figures
    Penqueen1949
    19th Sep 2013
    9:58pm
    sensible senior, your comment regarding me, Penqueen1949 makes absolutely no sense at all...... I rarely come on here purely because every thread degenerates to bickering and schoolyard bully tactics. I grew up long ago, obviously you haven't.......
    Young Simmo
    19th Sep 2013
    10:22pm
    Biroqueen1849, I think the reason you rarely come in here is because you can't keep up with the pace. You say you grew up long ago, maybe patting yourself on the back is a problem. Watcha recon SS?
    Penqueen1949
    19th Sep 2013
    11:16pm
    Juvenile from the Simpsons, think whatever you like, you mean less than nothing to me......
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    2:24am
    SS
    Thank you for that compliment... I hope Penqueen1949 doesn't get too upset about your reference to her being me. The reference to URFER 's' & 'S' is a valid one by the way and Penqueen1949 seems to be the only one that has caught on.... very intelligent woman!
    You have never asked URFER about this particular peculiarity, have you SS.... not at all an enquiring mind, I see.

    YS
    Bit of a TOSSER with Penqueen1949. You haven't given her any time to get used to your weird sense of humour.... not very nice.

    If you stopped scratching your genitalia and got your feet off the couch. We could continue with our repartee, I am always looking for more entertainment.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    4:07pm
    Musti-bait and Penqueen1849 are definitely the same person. Real name next is likely to be Musti- Thequeen.
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    4:37am
    URFER
    Quite a compliment, thinking I am Penqueen1949, she writes well and seems rather intelligent. Didn't expect any such thing from you URFER, you out of the closet then.... still a tad upset with my rejection, I can see but at least you are getting on with it.
    Abby
    21st Sep 2013
    1:54pm
    They are the 1200 Casuals the last Government put on for 3 months to balance their Unemployment figures
    And 3 months is up.
    Penqueen1949
    21st Sep 2013
    4:29pm
    LOL surfer/Surfer, you really are a worry. It seems to me that you are not only wet behind the ears but your solitary brain cell is swollen with water too......
    dippity
    18th Sep 2013
    2:57pm
    Perhaps it is time Centrelink allowed the punters to communicate with them online. One operator could then be chatting with 4 or 5 people at one time, flicking between pages and dealing with separate problems...
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    3:07pm
    Aaarrrrhhh..... ONLINE.... yes, it would be possible IF we had Labor's NBN but we are STUCK in the dark ages with Liberal's NFN which if you are more that 400m from the node will have LESS SPEEDS than you have with ADSL2. Then there is the reliability..... there isn't any with the NFN, as we will be attached to 100 year old copper, that is badly maintained and costly to maintain.

    Mind you the LIBERALS don't seem to mind putting Australia's FUTURE in MOTHBALLS and putting us 20 years behind the rest of the world and PAYING $29 billion for something that is already OUT OF DATE (Canada, USA, UK, etc, etc are all pulling it out).

    Oh! That's right..... MURDOCH would be out of pocket if Australia had Labor's NBN!!!!!

    So, throw Australia's future away, at a cost of $29billion UNRECOVERABLE (Labor's NBN was FULLY RECOVERABLE).... but.... lets save a $1million by getting rid of services to the public.... all good!!!
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:45pm
    No Must-you -rate, not labors NBN, that cost blew out to 100 billion. I thought you would have known that. Tony's can be done for 60 billion less. Now that is what saving is all about. I know you don't want to hurt Murdoch. Go and learn what is really going on. You are ignorant.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    10:51pm
    urfer

    No, SORRY WRONG ...yet again... it's like talking to a backwards child... sigh.

    THAT was merely MORE of Murdoch's PROPAGANDA!!!

    You were conned - lock, stock and barrel!!!! Silly Boy.

    Labor's NBN was costed by the Government Auditors...... something that the LIBS REFUSED to do with their NFN.... theirs has NEVER been properly COSTED.

    Even IF Labor's NBN did cost more.... IT WOULDN'T MATTER, simply because the COST is RECOUPABLE, the recovery would simply extend from 2034 to 2040 maybe. Considering that the LIBS NFN will NEVER (got that urfer, NEVER) be recovered because the SPEEDS are too SLOW.

    Then you add the need for two (2) NEW power stations to handle the airconditioning of the nodes, the cost of maintaining the 100 year old and run down copper, and the fact that the system is OUT of DATE at this very MOMENT, let alone in ten years when it is finished being installed AND the fact that it will put Australia behind the rest of the world in IT and innovation.

    So, my child, have you got it this time..... please say you have because you are becoming a bit boring!
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    11:03pm
    Mussi-Whats-His_Name, in light of all your ramblings I must just point out that the Labor Party NBN is only 2% done.
    I am not sure if they have been at it for 2 or 20 years but it is looking like a 2113 finish if Labor keep doing it.
    As for cost, can anybody tell us how much over budget it is today?
    As for slow speed, you take the main prize, agree sufer?
    I love the West Coast Eagles, but for the first time in 19 years
    I am saying "GO THE DOCKERS".
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:00am
    YS
    The Libs are going to take 10 years apparently, eerrhh why should Labor have to be quicker! FACT is the Libs should be a LOT faster, as Labor have done ALL the ground work for them AND completed a LOT MORE than 2%.

    You do realise that the laying and implementation of Labor's NBN (FTTP) has been regarded overseas, as a world achievement not ever done before! Australia IS a big place, just in case you haven't noticed AND the FTTP will be going 'just about' EVERYWHERE, to EVERYONE!

    Okay, all that aside..... if you stopped scratching yourself for a short time to ACTUALLY READ what the above, you would have realised that:
    *the COST of the FTTP has been confirmed by the Government Auditors, so is running true to form... AGAIN you have swallowed MURDOCH's lying RAMBLINGS!
    *It is the Libs NFN (FTTN) that has NOT been COSTED, because Turnbull REFUSED pointblank to get it costed by the government Auditors - REASON is, that they would have to include the 2 new power stations, needed to aircondition ALL the millions of NODES AND the multi million cost of maintaining the 100 year old copper wire...each and every year.
    *the COST of the Labor's FTTP is TOTALLY recoupable by 2034 whereas the Libs FTTN will NEVER be recouped. So it doesn't matter how much Labor's top of the range FTTP costs, it will be FULLY recouped because of the speeds it generates.
    *the COST of Libs "out of date" (RIGHT NOW) FTTN does not generate enough speeds to be able to recoup any of the cost..... especially the multimillion ANNUAL copper wire maintenance costs.
    *FACT: if you are one of those more than 400m from a NODE, your speeds will be lower than ADSL2 - not even the fastest, of what we have now.
    *FACT: it would be cheaper and better for Australia if the Libs FTTN was scrapped completely. (1). We would save $29 BILLION on an outdated throw away item that would be worse than what we have at the moment and (2). We could finish putting in Labor's FTTP quicker and cheaper in 3 years time, without having to pull up the Libs FTTN rubbish.

    So labor's FTTP is NOT over the budget.... WHY aren't you concerned that Turnbull refused point blank to get his pathetic backward system costed AT ALL - you know....the same system that Canada, USA, UK, Europe and many other countries are currently ripping out!

    THIS IS NOT a FOOTBALL GAME, it is more important than that. If the shoe were on the other foot and Labor were just elected and IF Labor where installing the LIBs FTTN and Liberal had planned to instal LABORs FTTP, I would have voted for Liberal and I would be SCREAMING JUST AS LOUD as I am now!

    What, didn't MURDOCH tell you to THINK! No of course he didn't.... you sit there like hand puppets, not querying anything, unless told to.

    How about engaging your brains and challenge your own party for the good of Australia AND your grandkids FUTURE.... what! no guts and no smarts, dough boys!

    18th Sep 2013
    3:08pm
    If it is MONEY that needs to be saved... that is EASY....Centrelink should be taken back by the federal government and REMOVED from PRIVATE HANDS!!!!

    Centrelink should be a totally government run agency..... IMMEDIATELY that would chop out the multi-millions going to the Centrelink operators.

    THEN, with a full sweep of the broom, new ideas, new staff and updated methods could be implemented.

    PRIVATE ENTERPRISE do NOT represent innovation and change, especially when they are a monopoly, government funded and belong to a religious order.
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    4:33pm
    Oh poor Rudd you gonna take his 250 million away
    Nan Norma
    18th Sep 2013
    3:38pm
    Maybe some dead wood will be removed, but if we are waiting on the phone, as I did recently, for 35 minutes, then we're in for a rough ride. More mistakes will be made. I have found out that just this past week. BEWARE of changes to Centrelink. If you close an account and don't tell them when you up date your information, you will find they will count all the the account you gave them before. They never used to do that. I assure you it is true. It just happened to me. And cost me.
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    3:50pm
    Well I am sorry people, but all of you that said Muss-ti-bate couldn't become more mentally retarded, more stupid and more meaningless were wrong. It has happened, and his nightmares about Murdoch have gone from black and white to techni-colour. Make sure you are sitting down when you read his crap next week.
    Paddles
    18th Sep 2013
    4:45pm
    Young Simmo

    Do you think that we could get together for a beer one day and explore the dark depths of Musso's psyche?
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    4:54pm
    Well said, I have been attacked by this monster Musti-ate since coming on here. He has talking diahorrea and selfishly takes up all the space on my computer. We all know he is a relation of Murdoch. Really loves him, but likes telling lies. He is an authority on everything when he takes his medication. A very bitter old chap and always talks crap.
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    5:10pm
    Sounds like a good idea Paddles, just have to find a Psychoanalyst to join us to explain Mussi's side of the story. Also do you know his cell No at the Mental Hospital, so I can contact him when we get the full story?
    sufer, his tag starts with Mu the same as Murdochs, so I would say they are definitely related and Mussi is not clever enough to completely conceal the fact.
    Foxy
    18th Sep 2013
    6:04pm
    .....wonders when the people who control this website will step up and stop the cyber- bullying of innocent people on here who voice their opinions - and I believe this is what this website is all about - people's opinions - I came here (like a lot of other people) just to have a bit of light-hearted banter so to speak - wrong! There are TWO people on here that spoil it for the rest of us- and we alllll know who they are...and what their "names" are on here - I rest my case!!!
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    6:26pm
    Foxy I have no idea who you are referring to but feel I should just say that, most of us are here for a bit of fun. If you want to have an influence you should name those 2 people you are referring to, or go join a knitting website. Also who is the innocent people you are referring to? The only innocent people on here I can see is surfer and myself, but we can take it.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    10:58pm
    Young Simmo
    Don't be a dag.... why would you say to Foxy... "go join a knitting website". Your starting to be distasteful instead of the occasional 'funny'.

    You are right though you probably are innocent because you are so naive and cruel at the same time, as totally UNWORLDLY. Like a child in the playground, picking on everyone else, that looks or sounds different to you. A mere frightened child.

    Maybe its, Paddles and urfer that are egging you on.... all I can say is try to think for yourself, my child.
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    10:01am
    What a condescending creep you have become Musti-ate. So self opinionated I have never known anyone like you. A Murdoch incessed idiot that has to remark on any one with different views to yourself. You are a pain in the arse and that is being kind to you. You have had the message and you are the only immature senile old coot on this site. Please go away you half wit.
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    10:10am
    Wow, Now I know who the two people Poxy is referring to. Herself and her nasty friend Musti-bait. These two have continually dished out nasty vitriol at anyone with Liberal tendancies or leanings. They should both be taken off this site so we can all enjoy it again. She does not understand the term light hearted banter after calling many people wankers and dickheads. She like to dish it out, but can't take the truth about her self.
    Foxy
    19th Sep 2013
    5:27pm
    MUSSITATE - thankyou! I find it extremely fascinating that out of the hundreds and hundreds of people on this website the only people who responded to my post (above) regarding cyber-bullying and once again left extremely disparaging and nasty comments (apart from you) - came down to TWO other people?????? Interesting - the "net" was set and they swam right into it - we now know definitely who these people are - I am once again totally amazed at the nasty comments regarding yourself from these particular people and would like you to know that I have had emails from people on this site who have thanked me for standing up to these creeps/bullys - people that I don't even know! To those people (I have already thanked you personally) but again - a BIG thankyou......much appreciated!!!
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:14am
    Foxy, Doff my hat and bow, fine lady.

    URFER, I have told you to try and get over your fixation with me, dear chap but the realisation that I have spurned you seems to have tipped you over the edge and sent you rambling..... try to control yourself dear boy. Try a little finesse!
    MiningMagnet
    20th Sep 2013
    7:57pm
    YS and 'the surfer family (hahaha) - I think all the days of repeating the party press releases is starting to tell guys... (big and little S ..hahahaha)
    Not only have you reverted to repeating each other (!) but continuing to vent the press-release unchecked drivel emanating from the advertising men and then saying you are immune to it consistently makes my day...hahahahaha...I used to get jokes sent everyday for a giggle but you guys are gold all the time...hahahhaa
    I love these guys and they should never stop repeating their opinions(tho' it does get old quick..) - I send their posts to right-wing mates of mine to share the cringe-worthy content contained there-in...hahahaha
    speakup
    18th Sep 2013
    3:51pm
    Australia is probably the most over governed country in the world by population.We will all be much wealthier if we get rid of State Governments and reduce the numbers of civil servants,public servants have had it too easy for too long.
    Penqueen1949
    18th Sep 2013
    4:32pm
    Well speakup, here in Queensland the current State Government did just that and services have deteriorated with longer than ever waiting lists at public hospitals. Essential doctors, dentists, nurses, teachers and firemen have been sacked and the public suffers.....
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    5:04pm
    Good on you speakup. At last some common sense. With this tiny population one federal government is all we can afford and all we need. Chop out all this dead wood sucking us dry and producing nothing. This would save us billions, and there would be plenty to look after all the old people and pensioners. Put administrators into local government where we are again getting screwed with rate increases. Some local governments in USA have more people than our entire population. I have never seen a country with so many beauracrats running around completely unproductive and on huge salaries and all the perks. Its about time the tax payers woke up and we all did something about this idiotic situation. We need efficiency not unproductive leeches.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    11:11pm
    Penqueen1949
    I was led to believe that Queensland was now a form of Utopia whereby everything was better than ever because Newman was in charge.

    More falsehoods, obviously.

    I will be heading to Brisbane just after xmas to visit relatives... don't get there much on business, so it will be pleasure only. Well I hope so anyway.

    If Newman is sacking everyone on the tired and totally outdated economic ideology, that public spending is bad.... then Queensland is heading down a road that ends in economic failure with poverty and hardship for the people. With poverty and hardship comes increased crime and drug use.... LOGICAL procession, but not one to look forward to.
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    9:29pm
    Mussitate I will have the border police ready to turn you back at Christmas.
    No seriously you come up here and see why it is called Gods Country, beautiful weather and beautiful women. What more could you ask.
    The present discontent with our new Premier is because of half truths being spread by labor supporters.
    They say he can`t fix the problems of successive Labor goverments but bag him when he tries.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:22am
    Bofor, your not a Liberal supporter are you!
    What a surprise... so you say everything is fine in Queensland.
    You must be very healthy and not require PUBLIC health care, teeth all good and home help from nurses, not necessary. Kids all grown up, so no need for teachers and firemen...phfff, your house is never going to burn down and you have insurance, so who cares. YOUR ALRIGHT THEN MATE.

    Not quite how we do it in the rest of Australia mate.

    We try to look after each other.... this ain't good old England where peasants look after themselves whilst the gentry eat well and use gold utensils to eat with...mate.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:57am
    Mussitate, how very observant of you to be able to discern so much about me .
    You just forgot the fact that I was born in 1932, 29th February in fact, Monday full moon what chance did I have.
    Family of 6 kids to a dirt poor farm labourer
    . But he did serve in 2 world wars so we can stir the possum.
    I served in the army in the 1950s, two brothers, one in New Guinea the other in Darwin during the bombing, sister in T.
    the Womens Land Army.
    Yes we have had it great in the Sunshine State. Oh I started school at age 6 finished at 14years of age. First school had 6 forms and one teacher.

    Have you read my reply to your "Your daughter must have gone to University"?
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    4:45am
    Oh yeah, Bofor, read your daughter/uni bit.... you should read my answer and cringe. You are a LOT younger than my mum and she still knocks spots off you but what has that got to do with anything?

    It is your comments and what you write that shows people what you are all about Bofor..... we don't need to know your history.... it is who and what you are right now and how and what you write on the subject matter that moulds who you are here.
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    6:17am
    Good on ya Bofor...thank you and your Dad for serving ....
    Penqueen1949
    21st Sep 2013
    4:51pm
    Mussitate the only thing that is fine about Queensland is the weather and the only good that the present state government have done is stop the rich fertile Felton valley being mined. The Newman government have only stopped the mines because the land in question has been freehold land for a very long time and any royalties would have gone to who ever owned the land being mined. Also the area is a very safe coalition seat in both fields of government however the Friends of Felton have enormous support in the local area.
    lindy
    18th Sep 2013
    4:21pm
    Always found c/lnk workers lovely and so helpful and just this morning rang to inform them of my hours worked and only waited 5 mins, it was great, will be hard to believe that sacking staff who in the main deal with with dsenfranchised and vunerable people is going to assist the bottom line ---- its an easy target.
    surfer
    18th Sep 2013
    5:10pm
    I do not agree with sacking Centrelink workers, in something as important as it is. Surely there are other ways to cut excessive spending. Like a reduction in politicians salaries and entitlements.
    Young Simmo
    18th Sep 2013
    5:13pm
    Careful surfer that last sentence could bring back the Death Penalty.
    Pass the Ductape
    18th Sep 2013
    5:37pm
    I really dread having to deal with Centrelink or whatever they call themselves these days. It doesn’t seem to matter what approach you take, they always seem to have a way to bring you down to a level commensurate with what one might consider a line up at a gas chamber at Auschwitz! You are considered less than a number in most cases.

    Pensioners in particular: this despite what Mr Jorgenson’s kind and sympathetic words might be saying to the contrary, are considered nothing but a pain in the proverbial to most governments and government departments. I can easily imagine this man standing at the head of the queue to the entrance to the gas chambers, continually telling everyone that things are just going to be fine!

    Try telephoning Centrelink at any time and you will be put on hold unless you agree to for them to call back. In that case you need to sit by the phone until they call - without moving - because the minute you do - is when they call!

    That could be at anytime of the day or day of the week during business hours, and if you aren’t there to pick up the phone when they call, you are considered un-contactable; your query is marked as having been dealt with and one needs to begin the process all over again.

    I think we have to try new techniques to contact Centrelink and I believe one way to get their attention quick smart is to make a call to them - collect.

    Nah! On second thoughts, that probably wouldn’t work - old Hank is bound to be awake to that idea as well!

    Hang on a moe!! I’ll put Mussitate on to them; get them to write a letter: Hank’s bound to crack under the pressure and by the time they get through his/her little lot, we’ll all be up for a Centrelink bonus! Yehhhh!
    Paddles
    19th Sep 2013
    9:39am
    Ductape

    You are obviously patronising the wrong branch office of Centrelink as your alleged experience is diametrically opposite to my own.

    But then, it is well known that a response is very often reflective of the approach!
    Pass the Ductape
    19th Sep 2013
    3:40pm
    Must be the 'diametrically' crossed line Paddles! A bit hard to receive a response of any kind when you can't get through on the phone in the first instance - or so I would have thought. But I'm glad that someone has been as fortunate as yourself. Next time your get on to them, mention that Ductape is still waiting would you?
    edly
    18th Sep 2013
    6:09pm
    The first of the Liberals attack on pensioners and poorer members of society to revamp middle-class welfare. If you voted for Abbott .................... (add whatever you like). Be interesting to see how many claim not to have voted Liberal in the near future.
    edly
    18th Sep 2013
    6:11pm
    Haven't been around for a while. Good to see some of the reactionaries are still pushing their bigoted views.
    Nightshade
    18th Sep 2013
    7:19pm
    IT'S ABOUT TIME.
    The arrogance of the staff is incredible.
    One of my neighbors told me this.

    Darrel was a recovering drug addict & alcoholic in treatment.
    He went into Centrelink regarding his dole form
    The guy who served him pretended not to understand what he was saying
    EVENTUALLY Darrel lost it & began swearing
    They called the POLICE who arrived promptly
    The cops knew that Darrel had been picked on deliberately
    The cops are not stupid
    The poor cops that have to copE with the rubbish that these people dish out.
    AND
    That night Darrel killed himself.
    Darrel had people who cared about him & loved him, including a lot of dedicated professional people who were working very hard to help him to come back from a horrible place.
    The attitude seems to be, who would believe a degenerate bludger (unemployed person) or junkie.

    IT HAS BEEN SAID FOR YEARS THAT THE PLACE IS LEAKING LIKE A SIEVE.
    There are so many stories the have been going around about in-house fraud by the employees.
    AND :-
    We constantly hear on TV about the employee who steal, even millions of dollars from their firm.
    Lawyers & financiers who steal from their clients.

    I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it scared the hell out of me when I heard it, simply because it is fraud that happens every day in large institutions.

    I was told about 7 years ago, that one employee set up aged pensions to be paid overseas, to the tune of approximately $2 million a year & it went on for 11 years before it was discovered.
    That is around $25 million dollars over a period of 11 years...
    God help us if this story is true.

    These people at Centrelink are highly skilled
    I have never seen someone who was able to FLICK THE COMPUTER SCREEN FOR 1/2 AN HOUR PRETENDING TO BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, JUST TO WASTE TIME, LIKE THE STAFF AT CENTRELINK.
    IT IS TAX PAYERS MONIES WHO PAY THEIR WAGES
    AND IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT THE POLITICAL ARENA HAS AT LAST TAKEN DECISIVE ACTION TO MAKE CENTRELINK RUN EFFICIENTLY & SAVE MONIES.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2013
    11:16pm
    Nightshade
    Well that left me with very little to say... except I feel sad and a bit shamed, as, even I tend to bury my head because real hardship is difficult to deal with.
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    5:58pm
    Well if your neighbour was correct in ALL the facts regarding Darrel, I thought it was Darryl?, then it is sad that this man took his own life but please don`t try to blame the Centrelink staff.
    Darryl, by his own volition started down that dreadful road to misery and I am sorry to say he was NOT a recovering drug addict he was sadly still in the grip of drugs.

    I cannot for the life of me see the connection between Darryls` sad death and the sacking of Centrelink staff.
    Stay with the program.
    Young Simmo
    19th Sep 2013
    6:23pm
    Yeh Bofor, I tend to agree with you on this one. Each year across Australia there are 100s and 100s of robberies and bashings by these drugged out losers and they tell the Judge or Magistrate, " It wasn't my fault, I was spaced out on drugs", and the Judges fall for it. The Magistrates sympathise with the druggie and not the poor person behind the counter. The surprising thing about that is, I grew up thinking that Judges and Magistrates were clever intelligent people, boy how wrong was I?
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:48pm
    Now I know the answer to Musti-Bait He is one of those judges or magistrates. He is also down in Canberra egging them on to get the poofs married up. He dose'nt want to go to NZ for his happy occasion.
    Nightshade
    18th Sep 2013
    7:30pm
    WHILE I AM AT IT
    THE BUTTON AT THE LOCAL CHEMIST SHOP THAT SUMMON THE POLICE
    ONE BUTTON AT THE FRONT OF THE SHOP
    ONE BUTTON AT THE BACK OF THE SHOP
    SOME BRIGHT SPARK PRESSES THE BUTTON
    AND THE POLICE COME IMMEDIATELY
    ONLY TO FIND THAT NO ONE PRESSED ANY BUTTONS
    AND EVERYONE IS PLAYING DUMB
    I WAS PRESENT AT SUCH AN OCCASION AT MY LOCAL PHARMACY
    THE COPS HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO
    THAN TO BE SUMMONED ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE BY SOME SMART ARSE THANK YOU !
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    6:00pm
    Suggest you move to a more savoury location Nightshade.
    pixii
    18th Sep 2013
    8:02pm
    Mention from PIXAPD , receives $950 fortnight , can you explain how you get that much ?
    I would love to know , so maybe I could get that ,too
    MITZY
    18th Sep 2013
    11:34pm
    pixii: Its probably his/her full pension plus his/her rent assistance.
    aquatrek
    19th Sep 2013
    9:52am
    my local city centre facility was refurbished 2 times in the past 6 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the style went from cubicles to open plan - now anyone in earshot can hear and SEE who it is - disgusting changes.
    Pommy
    19th Sep 2013
    9:53am
    Somebody just needs to visit the coffee shops around Canberra which are close to some of the main Centrelink Offices and check on the number of public servants???? sitting there having a 1 hour+ coffee break at around 10.30 every morning. These people are obviously under-employed. In one particular occasion I asked one of them how I could get a job in Centrelink as I was really good at drinking coffee. The frosty response was "we are having a meeting". However, I'm not sure of the relevance to Centrelink of football results and the latest movie, but then what do I know? I know they are from Centrelink - because they wear their plastic identify cards, just so you know how important they are, and more to the point, to remind them of who they are, and where they work.

    My main concern with getting rid of so many public servants is that our unemployment figures would go up, because so many of them would not survive in the cut and thrust of business, where the bottom line is important.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:40am
    Like most of the politicians ..... particularly Abbott?
    surfer
    22nd Sep 2013
    3:32pm
    More tripe from Mossie-Bait. Agree with all you say Pommy. At least if we got rid of all these leeches and put them on the dole, it would cost a hell of a lot less that their present extreme salaries plus perks. These are all the extra thousands of public servants employed by labor. You see this everywhere, have a look at the road gangs supposedly building our roads.
    unicorn
    19th Sep 2013
    10:32am
    So what if the unemployment rate goes up ?
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    10:49am
    You are right unicorn, A lot cheaper to keep this dead wood on the dole than to be paying them obsene salaries with all the perks. Amazing how many leeches we have in our work force.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:39am
    URFER, your a right charmer and a really great human being....

    It is funny because you seem to hate fat cats with big salaries and perks but them support a FAT CAT party to the very end.

    Is there anymore out there like you? We can only hope that you are a phenomena unto yourself.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    4:02pm
    Funny I thought Surfer. Leaned towards the centre right . The fat cats all seem to be on the labor side Rudd richest man in Parliment ,from govt contracts , Obeid 130 million from coal mine fraud etc etc and when they retire they seem to become instant millionaires working for big corps. Like Keating and Hawke .
    I prefer the more humble leaders like Howard and Abbott same house all their lives same wives brought up kids had a mortgage .
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    7:45pm
    Pete

    Abbott and Howard might be useful as PATSIES for big corporations whilst PMs BUT those same corporations don't want to actually employ substandard executives, now do they!!!

    Hawk always was a pseudo silver spooner so had lots of wealth to start with but Keating was pure ability, hence the reason he was sought after as corporate material.... based purely on your comment!

    Now, Rudd was SELF MADE before he became PM and still worked tirelessly for the little man. If they could find a way to control Rudd's morals, big corporations would fall all over themselves to get hold of him. If RUDD can take a whole country....Australia... to the very top of the WORLD economically....breaking many, many records on the way when most countries were flailing.... hell bells! what he couldn't do for their corporations, would be easier to list.

    Now to your sentiments about URFER..... centre right? Since when did just left of fascism and corporatocrasy = centre right!

    Poor old URFER doesn't really know where he is.... other than fixated but we won't go there will we. He has been subjected to right wing propaganda for so very long, he has difficulty getting out of bed on the left side, even though his life would be a lot easier if he simply did so.
    BlackCatWalking
    19th Sep 2013
    10:55am
    It might help to understand that these workers were supposedly temporary staff employed by extra an $30 million in funding from Labor to help with the influx of calls to Centrelink. Particularly during peak periods of demand. They are not apart of the 12,000 public service jobs which will face the axe under Abbott.

    19th Sep 2013
    10:59am
    Why are all these people trying to contact Centrelink
    BlackCatWalking
    19th Sep 2013
    11:44am
    A variety of reasons including natural disasters, family tax benefits and other family allowances. An increase in disability payments and old age pensions. Moving single mothers whose children turned eight, and those receiving disability support who were assessed as being able to work 15hrs a weeks from the pension onto Newstart after those policies was introduced.

    July to September is considered seasonal peak period for customers receiving family payments.
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2013
    3:20pm
    Perhaps if they simplified the system it would make it easier . The tax dept seems to manage family tax credits without any fuss .
    surfer
    19th Sep 2013
    4:45pm
    Quite right Pete, the present labor setup is bogged down in red tape. Things should be made much simpler and I expect Tony Abbott will fix that one. Bogged down with complications by labor to make jobs that produce nothing. Thousands of unproductive beauracrats running around trying to look busy.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:26am
    errhhh URFER
    Centrelink was PRIVATISED by HOWARD. A christian institution now runs it BECAUSE we were told that they do it better????????????????????????????? So what you are saying that the LIBS got it WRONG......AGAIN!!!
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:14am
    Wrong again Mussell Toff variouse institutions and companies bid to do the work of the old CES including the Rudds who have amassed a fortune of 250, million from govt outsourcing of employment placing.
    surfer
    20th Sep 2013
    9:37am
    See Musso, You don't know all the answers now do you.
    Young Simmo
    20th Sep 2013
    9:43am
    Hey Sufer I walked past Mussti's house the other day and he was on his hands and knees on the front lawn talking to a couple of grasshoppers. I swear I heard him say,
    " Yes Kevin and Julia, I will be a good boy".
    BlackCatWalking
    20th Sep 2013
    10:27am
    The privatisation of social security, which began with the abolition of
    the CES in May 1998 and the introduction of the Job Network. The Howard government put to tender $3
    billion of employment services contracts, with the great majority going to
    the private sector and away from the corporatised remainder of the CES,
    Employment National. Mission Australia
    and the Salvation Army, were the system's biggest operators. In November 1998, it was revealed that the private job agencies were using
    most of their government subsidies to pay their own wages and remain
    afloat. Employment Services Minister at the time Tony Abbott announced that part or full sale of Employment National would begin in 2000. By 2001The federal government had been forced to order an overhaul of the Job Network after allegations of "phantom jobs" scams. Guidelines governing the $3 billion labour market program were tightened and the Productivity Commission conducted a public inquiry to evaluate its efficiency. The "phantom jobs" scams involved Job Network companies setting up fake labour hire companies to "employ" workers for 15 hours, at a total wage of $150. The company is paid $350 for placing the job seeker into "work", making a net profit of $200. In 2006 the Salvation Army was forced to payback $9 million to the Government. A similar investigation was carried out in 2011 and revealed similar scams. Job Network providers make the bulk of their money when they place people into work. New unemployed do not make profits for them. If there is no jobs to be had, you have more unemployed but there is no money to be made for the Job Network Providers and that means no support for the unemployed. Millions of dollars of your tax money goes to provide job search help to the unemployed via the Job Network. However many people do not get the help they need from the Job Network.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:32pm
    So that's how the Rudds made so much money so Quickly . They got caught inthe UK doing a similar scam .
    edly
    20th Sep 2013
    4:15pm
    Can anyone answer whether or not these church and (supposed) non-profit organisations who now run the employment networks (the Howard privatized CES) and earn profits at the expense of the taxpayer actually pay tax on their profits? After all if they are attached to a church group or registered as non-profit then I assume they are tax exempt.

    Or do they just channel their profits to other areas of their parent organisations to avoid tax?
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    4:34pm
    Good question Ted churches should pay tax and rates . And the Rudds do they funnel their money through their UK operation . I think their are a lot of questions for hem to answer.
    BlackCatWalking
    20th Sep 2013
    5:48pm
    Therese Raine first started work as a rehabilitation counsellor under the Hawke government. She set up a private company work directions with a colleague, several years later. She won a large contract under the Howard government and from there it expanded globally. She sold her Australian branch when Rudd became prime minister. Her organisation was not part of the fraudulent group.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    7:54pm
    She sold out for a fortune then reopened . Her group in the UK is under investigation by a parliamentary commission along with others for directing workers to companies for no pay . You are right she has not been accused of fraud yet that is another company doing the same government outsourcing .
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    7:57pm
    Pete, you are becoming little URFERS sidekick I see and when in trouble with your beliefs downgrade yourself into a total jerk .

    URFER, I leave details out and break things down into simplified bite sized chunks for the less capable on this site.... I thought it would be helpful for you and Pete, as well, by the looks of it. I don't know how to simplify it further..... I'm not very good at one liners that say nothing, that's your forte URFER.

    I realise it is still way above YS, by the looks of it, as, all he saw were images of me bending over! I shall have to request that you stay at least ten feet in FRONT of me Young Simmo. You certainly are not the type I want lurking behind me!
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:15pm
    Still they are worth 250 million from govt outsourcing of job placement .
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:19pm
    BlackCatWalking

    Thank you for that excellent and informative comment.

    I am glad you didn't become the subject of vitriol simply because your comment was well drafted and intelligent.



    Ted and Pete

    Yes, Ted, registered religious groups and churches are exempt from tax. Those that are 'not for profit' are also exempt but I think that surplus funds are passed on in many ways to parent and other connected organisations. It is a very long time since I had any dealings with these sorts of organisations and my memory is not as good as it once was... plus there have been many changes.

    That was one of the main theme of the 'Sex Party" whereby they stated that billions could be obtained by taxing churches, on their commercial activities alone.

    The money acquired from taxing churches commercial activities would more than supplement the cost of social programmes for those most in need.

    Before Pete, URFER, YS, Paddles, and others jump in with even further vitriol.... prior to the election I attended one of those, meet the minor parties and a woman from the Sex Party was present and the concept of taxing commercial activities of churches was the main theme in her 10 minute talk.

    It got me thinking and I agree with both Ted and Pete on this one.... certainly an area that should be looked at!
    BlackCatWalking
    21st Sep 2013
    12:43pm
    "Still they are worth 250 million from govt outsourcing of job placement"

    Because of Howard's privatisation policies, not because of any personal greed and underhanded business behaviour by her or Rudd.

    Either way, your argument provides ample evidence against The Liberal Parties, Economic Liberalism that seeks to deregulate and increase outsourcing of government functions to unaccountable private-sector providers.
    Barnacle Bill
    19th Sep 2013
    2:30pm
    Why don,t they setup some formof online queries, like a caht room.This seems to work for a lot of businesses.As a last resort ,perhaps have the call centres overseas.
    Penqueen1949
    19th Sep 2013
    4:05pm
    And have even more Aussies out of work with an overseas call centre....good on ya NOT. No way is some overseas person knowing my personal details.....at least with Aussies there is integrity and checks on peoples' credibility. That would be thrown wide open in an Australian call centre and the present Federal government would not last either......
    Penqueen1949
    19th Sep 2013
    4:07pm
    In an overseas call centre*
    Young Simmo
    19th Sep 2013
    5:12pm
    ON A LIGHTER NOTE.

    In the year 2008 the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in Australia and said:

    "Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save two of every living thing along with a few good humans."
    He gave Noah the CAD drawings, saying: "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights."
    Six months passed and the Lord looked down upon Noah who was weeping in his yard, but no Ark.
    "Noah!" He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?"
    "Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed. I needed Building Regulations Approval and I've been arguing with the Fire Brigade about the need for a sprinkler system.
    My neighbours claim that I should have obtained planning permission for building the Ark in my garden because it is development of the site, even though in my view it is a temporary structure.
    We had to then go to appeal to the An Bord Pleannala for a decision. Then the Department of Transport demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions to clear the passage for the Ark 's move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.
    Getting the wood was another problem. All the decent trees have Tree Preservation Orders on them and we live in a Site of Special Scientific interest set up in order to protect the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls - but no go!
    When I started gathering the animals, the RSPCA sued me. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodation was too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.
    Then the County Council, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Rivers Authority ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.
    I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission on how many disabled carpenters I'm supposed to hire for my building team. The trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only accredited workers with Ark-building experience.
    To make matters worse, Customs and Excise seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.
    So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark."
    Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky.
    Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean you're not going to destroy the world?"
    "No," said the Lord. "..........the Government beat me to it!"
    catsahoy
    19th Sep 2013
    7:41pm
    nice one simmo,
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    9:52am
    The lord giveth and and the lord taketh away. Must have been in control of labor. On a brighter note Simmo, I see your credit rating has gone down to AA, but that is better than in QLD where we have no rating left because of Bligh. I see she has a job in Medibank Private on the board. After she bank rupted QLD. Jobs for the girls.
    surfer
    22nd Sep 2013
    10:30am
    Heah Simmo, Good win to the Dockers. Hope they go all the way.
    catsahoy
    19th Sep 2013
    7:37pm
    PENQUEEN, if you believe for one moment that your information is not already in overseas hands, you are in for a big shock, i ,like you dont like the idea of my information being in the hands of overseas traders, but IT IS, try ringing TELSTA, re your account, you are immedietly transfered overseas where your information is stored, try the power companies, its all there. re the centerlink sackings i didnt think the service could get worse, but it seems as if it will. fortunatly i dont have to deal with them very often, but last time i had to ring, i thought, RING THEM AS SOON AS THEY OPEN, WONT HAVE TO WAIT, WELL. WASNT I SILLY? ringing them at 8.30, i was told all lines were busy, hold on, we wont be long, at 10.15, i gave up and thought, ill go to the office, well what an experience, i was shutted from one desk to another for over an hour, in the end i walked out, not having my problem solved, i only needed a paper signed and found out my chemist, who is a j.p. could do it, so was done in 5 minuutes, but what an experience with centerlink. i pity those people who have to go and submit wage statements and such every fortnight, i hope sense prevails and this doesnt happen, we need more staff, not less, at our branch anyway,and god help more of our information going overseas, which it will, i have NO DOUBT this will happen,
    Penqueen1949
    19th Sep 2013
    11:42pm
    catsahoy, the last dealing I had with Hellstra was years ago before their call centre was transferred overseas. I have not had a landline for years, a mobile phone sim only is lots cheaper. My reference was to my personal medical records held by Centrelink and accessed by call centre workers if need be.
    edly
    19th Sep 2013
    8:27pm
    Interesting the comments blaming call centre workers for supposed faults with Centrelink contact workers, renovations to centres, coffee drinkers in Canberra etc. However, if you look at who these workers are and where they are located these criticism do not hold up. Many of these workers are at call centres in rural areas, they are not the workers who have face-to- face contact with Centrelink clients. They work in a challenging high pressure situation in many instances putting up with abuse from those phoning who are annoyed with waiting time due to lack of numbers to cope with the demand. Many/most of them are casuals working for low wages with no security of tenure and all its consequences.
    Penqueen1949
    19th Sep 2013
    11:37pm
    Exactly as you have stated Ted.....
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:32am
    Ted
    Thanks for that.... we talk of this policy and that economical situation but you have put the human factor back into the equation which is totally necessary and shamed me a little. We really need to put ourselves in others situations to enable greater understanding
    Cheers
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    10:12am
    They took on a temporary job on a six month contract , contract now up .
    Ausralia brings in over 200,00 new arrivals every year and yet our unemployment rate hovers around the 5 per cent . This means our economy is generating one million new jobs every five years .
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    3:55pm
    On top of this we bring in specialized workers on 457 visas to man Julia Gillards Office and Kevin Rudds advisors .
    edly
    20th Sep 2013
    4:33pm
    Thanks Penqueen and Mussitate.

    Hey Pete, isn't it interesting how more and more workers are having to accept short-term contracts to gain employment, or casual work. Often these contracts are extended onto another short-term contract to keep the employee guessing as to whether or not they will continue with employment. Unfortunately for these people they find it very difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a house, obtain a rental property if their contract is less than lease term, obtain a loan to purchase a car. Those things we took for granted when in full-time employment. Many of these people are becoming disenfranchised

    I can only speak from experience in the rural area where I live, and still on occasions do a bit of casual work. I listen to people in their twenty's and thirty's talk about juggling two or three jobs, all on short-term contract or casual employment. How they struggle to get ahead as they do not know if they will have a one of the jobs in three months time. How as single parents they struggle to provide as they would like for their children. How they struggle to save in case they lose one of their jobs.

    Things have changed unfortunately the almighty dollar is now the guiding light for our society.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    4:39pm
    Well what's the answer Ted if the government have a short term problem like over the end of the financial year or a change in benefits and they need to service their customers they higher temps for the job .
    I have the answer which I am trying to discuss under a topic called average wage . But no one seems interested .
    edly
    20th Sep 2013
    4:56pm
    Sorry Pete but it appears I did not explain my point enough. I was talking about the general trend in employment options at present and how in many areas of our economy short-term contract and casual positions are becoming more prevalent. And yes there are times when short-term positions are the solution. However, there are many employers, including our governments, who have employees continually on short-term contracts.

    In relation to the Centrelink employees they, as I understand it, were employed not because of a backlog of work or for particular issue that arises at certain times of the year but because the system was not coping. The logical position, in my opinion, is that more people need to be employed to cope with the workload when there is an ongoing issue. So what happens now, Centrelink clients will be back to the situation that was occurring prior to the employment of those now being terminated.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    5:04pm
    Well I am not into the thinking of the civil service managers to really know what problem they were trying to solve with the short term hire of 1200 .
    But certainly the trend is towards contract hire, whether these are subbies in the building industry , or contract workers in IT . Or home and office cleaners running their own small business. They all want the flexibility to run their own lives .
    That is why union membership is so low at 13 per cent of non govt workforce ,
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    5:20pm
    IT was only the middle of last year that Ford announced it was closing. Now Holden is making the same threat, not directly but through what it seems is its chief lobbyist, the South Australian Labor government. This time, Holden is saying it wants another $275 million from government or it closes.

    Yes, a local car manufacturing industry is important. Yes, let's help if it has a viable, profitable future. But there comes a point where propping up a bad business has to stop.

    Holden has a special case to answer. For years it, like Ford, has been signing up to self-destructive union industrial relations agreements. The agreements have been happening for a decade or more. The issue has not been pay rates. Instead, agreements progressively have stripped away the capacity of managers to manage their business.

    Typical car manufacturing agreements have prevented the use of robotics or outsourcing without union approval. Casuals are not allowed. Any contractors have to come from a union-approved list. Changes to production require union approval.
    edly
    20th Sep 2013
    5:21pm
    Pete, I agree with you that there are some who want to run their own small business.

    The extra 1200 hired by Centrelink in call centres was, I believe, fairly common knowledge, and has certainly been mentioned by others on this site.

    I invite you to take the time to read my comments above. I was talking about the increase in short-term contracts and casual employment that is becoming more prevalent, how at present some are relying on more than one job and the difficulty it is causing in their lives. How this is vastly different to what we experienced in our working life.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    5:27pm
    This is a cut and paste from today's Aus and a much longer article

    Ted this is why union membership is dropping they are still adversarial whereas in Germany they cooperate to keep a business viable and end u with better conditions
    Holden's will probably close after Christmas but really so what Leyland Chysler Nissan Mitshubishi and Ford have all had a go all received Govt assistance. In the end we end up with cheaper better cars and our nemloyment rate does not change .
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    5:31pm
    I think we got a bit mixed up there hope you can sort it out .
    edly
    20th Sep 2013
    5:36pm
    Well Pete, we could have and interesting discussion about the motor vehicle. Al I will say at this stage is do you remember Mike Devereux's (G M Australian CEO) comment when being interviewed on Business Sunday last year that car companies play governments off against each other and have no hesitation in taking the best deal offered. This certainly caused raised eyebrows at the time as it was the first time it had been admitted.
    catsahoy
    21st Sep 2013
    2:57pm
    i am basing my information on a segment on A CUURENT AFFAIR, some time back that showed the buildings oversees where these calls went to, i have a landline and mobile PENQUEEN,as it means an elderly relative can keep in touch, i mostly use my mobile, but occasionaly i kinow im going to get a bill bill from telstra, and ring about a week before the bill is due so i know what it is and can put some money aside to cover it, you are immediatly transfered overseas, and i object to these people having all my information, they have my name, address d.o.b. the power companies are the same, my personal information should NOT be in the hands of people overseas, as soon as this relative is no more, my landline will go, but everyone has all your information anyway, also your mobile provider.
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    20th Sep 2013
    6:32am
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    20th Sep 2013
    5:42pm
    I think Ted short term contacts and casual are too different issues .
    Actually I am not sure they are .
    A lot of contractors are now going through suppliers ie the employer pays the supplier who pays the self employed contractor the suppliers tend to specialize in industries and can pretty well guarantee continuose work. They need to look after their contractors well as this is their livelihood . This is becoming more and more prevalent in the white collar world . But it is now spreading to the blue collar world ( if their are any left) in what you would call casuals . All these people are paid well over the odds to make up for working for themselves .
    I am afraid Ted the days of jobs for life are long gone and probably a good thing I was with one company for 25 years and never knew my true worth Neil I left .
    edly
    20th Sep 2013
    5:56pm
    Not talking about 'jobs for life'. In many instances they did not exist. I worked for eight organisations in by working life, many of those I know were similar. But that was a deliberate choice. None were short-term contract or casual that have an impact on every day living where one had to shuffle hours, child care in order to survive. Or with the uncertainty that the job would finish in a couple of months unless one did not perform to the required standard.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    6:16pm
    Well I think it is now demonstrate able that people want flexibility in their working life. Individual contracts are now the norm people in Unions with all their rigidity and hypocracy are yesterday's people .
    I actually think this was the biggest vote loser for labor their attack on contractors and unions trying to limit the hire of contractors I believe did most damage people saw it as an attack on their freedom of choice .
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    6:19pm
    Ted your comment that the job would finish in a couple of months unless one did not perform to the required standard surely is true in all jobs .
    aquatrek
    20th Sep 2013
    6:29pm
    Pete - you talk about an 'average wage' - when my parents were working age only my father worked. That income was enough to buy a home, mortgage a business and raise three kids. Then when I reached marriage age and worked it ended up more like 1.5 incomes to make a go of it. Now the prices of housing require two incomes. How will future generations be able to own their own homes if the cost of land and dwellings continues to outpace normal incomes ? An 'average wage' wont cope either unless indexed to property prices.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:31pm
    aquatrek

    Brilliantly stated.... agree wholeheartedly. I don't think anyone could disagree with your statement because it is obvious, at least after reading your comment, that you now need a minimum of two people working full time to be able to buy a home.

    Without going into in-depth economic concepts, the tying of average wages to property prices, sounds like a good idea. Would also keep property prices lower as well, so a win win for all.
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:49pm
    Try us Mussitate go into in depth economic concepts . How would you tie average wages to house prices . Or are wages going to be different in every town or suburb .
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    4:55am
    Pete
    My comment, old boy, stated that the concept put forward looked like a good one ON THE SURFACE, given that NO in-depth analyses of economic concepts had been undertaken. I would need Prof. Steve Keen to check out aquatrek's proposal, as I would not have sufficient skills... not entirely my field.

    Is that clearer for you old son... or shall I break out in bubby talk.
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    6:06am
    So how can you make a statement " Would keep property prices lower, so a win win for all"
    Don't see any mention of " on the surface "
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    7:52pm
    Pete
    What is wrong with you.... Taking aquatrek's statement at FACE VALUE without ANY analysis or research, I added another concept.... also 'off the cuff' and not analysed or research.

    Pete, stop being an idiot and simply join in with the fun... your aquatrek's mate and even when I agree with him which is not often, you act inane and nitpick with stupidity.

    Give it a rest.
    Anonymous
    21st Sep 2013
    8:59pm
    I don't find your comments fun they are rude, and superficial,
    aquatrek
    21st Sep 2013
    10:04pm
    idiot, inane, stupidity - typical behaviour when a person is out of their depth in a discourse. They know little other than to name call and denigrate. Reminds me of some others.
    surfer
    22nd Sep 2013
    10:27am
    Pete, I have had the same sort of inane response from Misti-Bate. He really does not know everything about everything, and the property is one of those things.
    Pass the Ductape
    22nd Sep 2013
    3:33pm
    surfer....condescending know-all is more in line with what one might consider Mussitate to be.

    20th Sep 2013
    6:38pm
    Yes I do agree Ted and to put on to the price of a new house duty and the cost of infrastructure is madness . We used to buy a block and pay off and this became the deposit fora house . I don't know why this still can't be done . I think now everyone one wants to start off living in close to the city centre and immediately have everything . This will call for two salaries and a delay in having a family .
    catsahoy
    21st Sep 2013
    9:02pm
    pete, i agree with everyone wanting to live near the city, the suburb i live in is close enough to walk into the city if you want, the trouble is there are hardly any blocks left so when they build it has to go UP. soon wont be able to see the s
    kyline, it seems they are going up everywhere, no one will have a yard to play in, so kids will be kept indoors which will mean more t.v. and video games because there will be nowhere for them to play, the good old days are gone, also, the way the land is being sold to overseas buyers there wont be land left, everything is going to chinese and arab buyers,
    Anonymous
    22nd Sep 2013
    1:04am
    The shift to high-rise apartment living has accelerated with developers responding to the growing demand from Sydneysiders for vertical villages and super-tall residential towers.

    New research by the City of Sydney shows that the number of residential towers completed or proposed since 2010 is already greater than the whole preceding decade.

    ''This is not happening because developers think it would it be nice to have a taller building,'' said Chris Johnson, head of developer lobby group Urban Taskforce. ''It is because there is a market out there of people who want to be urban dwellers and feel connected.''

    20th Sep 2013
    6:41pm
    As far as average wage the best I can come up with is 43,000 net per individual per year.
    This is the figure I would like to set for everyone pensioners workers etc via negative income tax .
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    6:43pm
    As a minimum not to have everyone on same salary ...
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    6:55pm
    Sorry Ackers I thought I was still talking to Ted
    aquatrek
    21st Sep 2013
    7:36am
    its ok Pete - I realized that also (;-)))))))
    Jurassicgeek
    20th Sep 2013
    8:11pm
    You cant blame the workers at centrelink for wait times..They deal with all the irate people who need their help and are frustrated they cant contact anyone . They do an excellent job with what they have. They are desperately shortstaffed and it's gonna get worse..if you want to blame someone I'd look further up the food chain..one bald headed yobbo at the top comes to mind...
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:17pm
    Dunno who dat den
    Jurassicgeek
    20th Sep 2013
    8:23pm
    cant remember his name but blame him anyway ...he is the top dog at centrelink ...
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    8:52pm
    Yeah bald headed bas....
    Penqueen1949
    20th Sep 2013
    9:18pm
    LOL the bald headed yobbo is Hank Jongen. He is the 'human face' of Centrelink according to Debbie McTaggart......
    Penqueen1949
    20th Sep 2013
    9:19pm
    LOL the bald headed yobbo is Hank Jongen. He is the 'human face' of Centrelink according to Debbie McTaggart......
    Anonymous
    20th Sep 2013
    10:12pm
    Och aye who deb Mac
    Jurassicgeek
    21st Sep 2013
    4:31pm
    so thats what a human face looks like ....gawwwd help us....
    Penqueen1949
    21st Sep 2013
    5:20pm
    LOL Jurassicgeek so very true. That face is not one I would want to see in my dreams. That would be more like a nightmare....
    Mak
    23rd Sep 2013
    11:56am
    KRudd helped set up the business for his wife Therese whilst he was an 'office boy'. Wayne Goss was in on the act and that is why their business Ingeus obtained lots of government contracts to look after unemployed people. They were caught out and KRudd resigned from the company (???????). Ingeus was set up in the UK again to look after long-term unemployed people but were caught out because they weren't doing the job, but taking the money. Therese Rein became a British citizen, but when it was put to her she was supposedly astonished and said she wondered how that happened. They rented a building in the UK which was never used but made business tax claims on it. When Therese spent time in Australia she collected her salary from Ingeus UK but Wayne Swan declared that she pay Australian tax as UK tax was not paid. Rudd and Swan were not happy with each other, I wonder why.
    Whether Abbott and Co will be any good is irrelevant to date, the point is that the lovers of Labor, Rudd, Gillard & Co speak of them as top-class individuals, when in fact they are liars, cheats, subversive two-faced scumbags who would not spit on those who voted for them if they were on fire. Rudd is similar to Keating, another scumbag who once stated that Australia is the a*sehole of the world, which is typical of illiteracy within Labor.
    aquatrek
    23rd Sep 2013
    12:23pm
    Keating wasnt referred to as the 'Snake' for nothing.
    Abby
    23rd Sep 2013
    9:04pm
    I think that is why Labor lost Government because of all the perceived corruption
    Anonymous
    23rd Sep 2013
    9:49pm
    Perseived ? That and giving contractors a hard time all those mum and pop businesses.


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