Telstra to offshore 671 jobs

463 Telstra employees’ and 208 contractors’ jobs will be sent offshore to Asia.

Telstra to offshore 671 jobs

463 employees and 208 contractors working in Telstra’s Global Services division were told on Wednesday that their jobs would start to be sent offshore over the next 12 months.

The Australian job cuts come as Telstra focuses on the Asian region with an aim to source one-third of its revenue from offshore by 2020. Unlike other recent job cuts, the affected workers are highly skilled and are part of Telstra’s booming network applications and services division which recorded a revenue increase of 29 per cent in the six months ending December 2013.

“This proposal would involve outsourcing of functions and services to industry partners in Asia,” Telstra said in a statement. “To compete effectively internationally we need to have resources in the region and the capability to scale rapidly to meet demand.”

“These are not decisions we take lightly and we will consult and work closely with our people on this proposal. If a decision is made to proceed we will aim to redeploy as many affected employees as possible.”

Read more from The Age.

Read more from The Australian.

Read more from the Financial Review.


Opinion: No end to offshoring in sight

Over the past decade, Telstra and many other telecommunication companies have shifted the majority of their call centre and technical support services offshore, mostly to Asia. Telstra’s move to offshore 671 highly skilled jobs from one of its highest growth areas of business is a blow to the Australian workforce and, in my opinion, a big risk for Telstra.

Across Telstra’s eight business segments, 37,721 Australians were employed by the company up until the end of 2013. The job cuts announced on Wednesday of 671 workers represents a 1.8% decrease in onshore staff. Since bottoming out in November of 2010 at $2.61, Telstra’s share price has seen a steady increase, hitting a five-year high of $5.45 yesterday.

With the aim to increase offshore revenue to one-third of total company revenue by 2020, it’s clear to me that the board of Telstra doesn’t want to place all its eggs in one basket. Driven by profits, we can expect to see Telstra focusing its employment strategy on building their offshore worker centres in the Asian region, while looking to maintain a steady base in Australia focused on employing only the most essential workers.

What do you think? Does Telstra owe it to Australia to continue employing within the country, or do they have every right to look offshore to hire someone capable of the same job at half the price? If the offshoring of jobs continues, will you look to change telecommunication companies? 





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    islandguy
    24th Jul 2014
    10:22am
    David Thodey is sacking others in order to justify increasing his own package. I could, and would, do his job (better than he does) for a fraction of what he is being paid. Of course Telstra is not competitive in the world market - its executives salaries account for the same amount as what it takes to run entire similar companies. Don't punish the workers for Telstra's lack of competitiveness. Sack those that draw obscene salaries and actually contribute little.
    moke
    24th Jul 2014
    2:18pm
    islandguy don't hold your breath they don't give a damn about service or any one else, as long as they get top dollars they think that makes them something special when really they are just a mob of uneducated users if the workers didn't run the whole shebang there would be no Telstra and the private service dudes would have a ball and phone calls would be beyond many peoples pockets
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    4:55pm
    Workers in AUstralia are getting a raw deal.
    What the idiots in government and at the head of big business organisations fail to understand is that we are selling our jobs to third world countries at an unprecedented rate. We have also all but shut down manufacturing in the country as well. So here's the dilemna: Australia has no other option other than to import goods from the third world. We have to pay for these goods with EXPORTS. And we have recently seen iron ore plunge to around $90 a tonne (from a high of $190) and coal has been dropping for a long while now. This led to a significant trade deficit last month and if the low prices for commodities continues then how do we as a nation apy for our addiction to flogging off everything of value in the nation? Jobs and our farmland (which feeds us) are now for sale.
    If readers can satnd back and look at the bigger picture then I suggest the future may be bleak at the very least. As Roger Montgomery (a well known funds manager) sadi last year...."Australians are going to become serfs in their own country". I have to agree. And this is the price for voters electing imbeciles with big eges and mouths rather than intelligent leaders who give a damn.
    Anonymous
    24th Jul 2014
    7:17pm
    Aaaarh…. the American way, what a surprise, with Murdoch running our country.

    Here is a link reporting on how Abbott goes to seek approval from Murdoch BEFORE his own cabinet.

    Just copy and paste the following…. easy reading Guardian article.

    http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jul/23/tony-abbott-consulted-rupert-murdoch-over-paid-parental-leave-book

    If we weren't sure who was running Australia…. we ARE NOW!!!
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    7:32pm
    King Rupert the First of Australia .. Nice Ring to that !! Now Bow and Kiss it !!
    Anonymous
    24th Jul 2014
    11:20pm
    yooooh UGH….. after you mate, after you.

    Nice play on words, appreciated that.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:11am
    Lets frame it and hang it in the Sydney Town Hall Council Chambers !!
    Grateful
    24th Jul 2014
    10:25am
    Is there such a thing as "selective compassion"
    i.e. comparing what we are currently seeing on the "world stage", with caring for what is happening to our citizens (jobs going overseas), the likes of children in OUR detention, the thousands of women and children being massacred in Syria, the hundreds of women and children murdered in Palestine and doing nothing about it.
    Or does that translate into a less laudable thing called "hypocrisy"???
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    4:36pm
    You make it sound like those Palestinians Cared where Their Rockets landed in the First Place !! That's Murder TOO !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    4:54pm
    No different to the homeless we have on our streets, no different to the many Australian Children, Women and Men who are abused in Australia every day, if you want to believe the mirage that is shoved down our throats by Politicians.
    Anonymous
    24th Jul 2014
    7:27pm
    particolor (American spelling of colour, I see)

    Only a handful get through and no loss of life (yet) because of the state of art defence that the Israeli's have. Pity about Israel indiscriminately dropping hundreds of missiles on innocent civilians who have NO DEFENCE… what is the tally now… 500 or 600 dead. Israel even targeted children on a beach…. killing 4.

    Hamas are a democratically elected government of GAZA and to defend your country with the best you have is absolutely OKAY….. everyone said it was for Israel! It is AOK for Israel to 'rain' missiles on Gaza and call it defending their nation… YES?
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    7:45pm
    Mussitate I wont argue with You there ! As I know little about the Present situation and I also don't take sides !! But I have noticed in past Conflicts The Arabs fire Indiscriminately on Israel and when the Jews hit back it is called Murder ???.. Must be a One Way thing over there ??.. Turn the other cheek is not working either !!
    Anonymous
    24th Jul 2014
    11:31pm
    particolor

    I appreciate you discussing your views and I see what you are saying.

    The only thing is that the only information you do get to hear from our corporate media is what is in the interests of the USA/Israel - you get their point of view only.

    I won't go any further here because this stream is not about this topic, other than to say that it is a pretty warped point of view.
    Grateful
    25th Jul 2014
    9:34am
    My question was not who is right or wrong in the Gaza war.
    It is how so much and so immediate was the world's and Autralia's, in particular, reaction to set up UN Resolutions and world wide media condemnation of what will probably turn out to be an absolute tragedy and probably no one being found to be criminally responsible. As horrific and tragic this is, it happened in a theatre of war and will be determined as being a shocking error on the part of those that fired that rocket. The circumstances surrounding that event probably do not even constitute a criminal offence. A shocking, tragic mistake!!

    My point is, how is it that there is so much immediacy for international condemnation and intervention for this one tragedy, when there are deliberate criminal atrocities happening throughout the world, on a VASTLY greater extent to this disaster, yet absolutely no similar reaction from our leaders. And Australia's leaders are involved in these human atrocities in our own back yard, while waltzing around the world looking and sounding so compassionate and demanding immediate action from the U.N., when it is showing absolutely no compassion to the hundreds of women and children, most of them suffering from illnesses as a result of living in squalor in OUR detention centres, Or, worse, held in captivity in a prison ship in the middle of the ocean?
    And in relation to the topic in question, what is the government doing regarding having what should be Australian jobs, in a company that depends so heavily on Australia for its very existence, remain IN AUSTRALIA. Seeming NOTHING!!
    That's is my question, is there such a thing as "selective compassion" and when does it become blatant and ugly political hypocrisy??
    Anonymous
    25th Jul 2014
    8:09pm
    Particolor

    OOPS! Just read my comment again (thankfully)… the bit that said "other than to say that it is a pretty warped point of view" was NOT in relation to YOUR views, it was our corporate (vested interests) media views.

    By the way WHAT IS YOUR PARTY COLOUR!?!


    Grateful
    I am going to do you a disservice with this reply because my comment is basic and simple, whereas your comment was, ultra intelligent and very profound.

    Governments are made up of a Parties with their own allegiances and policies. Our current government has VERY, VERY STONG allegiances and policies which support CORPORATE DOMINATION and their ELITE WEALTHY LEASH-HOLDERS…. irrespective of whether they are FOREIGN or not and irrespective of whether it is good economic policy (look at the basket case the USA has become). Hence, it is CORPORATE self interests that are spewed out by our Corporate foreign controlled Media.

    HENCE it depends upon what these (mostly USA) CORPORATION's interests are which ascertain the type of coverage we the people get to hear. If it is in the USA CORPORATIONS interests, then we get sympathetic and positive coverage, if not we get vile condemnations.

    US Corporations/US Govt support Israel, so the war crimes committed by this country are overlooked and the emphasis is on how bad Hamas are and the aggressor is made to look like the victim. Then we have MH17 whereby the President of a totally different country is blamed and subjected to near hysterical outcries over this incident….. PURELY because Russia and Putin represent a very big threat to these same US Corporations/US govt…. not to mention that the timing of the incident was crucial to favouring the USA in a tug of war with Russia over the EU…. which in turn is vital to USA world dominance and hence the continued flow of money into Corporate pockets.

    The MH17 incident itself is shrouded by inconsistencies and 'unusual' occurrences - why did the airline deviate from the normal commercial flight path over Ukraine and why was Kiev air controllers dialogue with MH17 seized and withheld, by the current Ukraine govt. Just two examples, neither of which do we hear about through the Corporate media.

    To come back to this topic…. CORPORATIONS don't give a damn about any nation, as their mantra is profits at any cost AND in this vein, it is in Corporate interests to get the cheapest labour possible. HENCE, no real outcry from our current government or the corporate foreign media. Oh! Not to mention that TELSTRA also have the current govt over a barrel because of TELSTRA's key assistance required to implement an extremely costly, disgustingly ancient and useless (Node) NBN proposal.

    Enjoyed your comment…..sorry if my response dumbed it down….
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:30pm
    It wasn't that Dumb at all ...
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2014
    1:28am
    particolor

    Tah! That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me.

    BUT I did notice that you didn't tell me what your Party Colour is!!!!

    We should have a Mad Hatter Party topic and everyone should reveal their Party colours and behave in a very silly manner and talk in riddles and nonsense. Also we could have participants dropping in a verse or two or a short story or someone start a story and the rest add a bit, so that it becomes a long story.

    Could be enjoyable… as there are many commenters on here (you included) that are rather clever with words, etc.
    particolor
    26th Jul 2014
    8:01am
    Particolor's is all colours, but My favourite Colour is... BRIGHT BLUE !!... OK ??
    particolor
    26th Jul 2014
    8:02am
    PS... No! I am Not a Bower Bird !!
    Wstaton
    24th Jul 2014
    10:38am
    It discusts me that a company making most of it's money out of the people in Australia is exporting jobs overseas, deriving Australians out of jobs just to put a few more dollars into shareholders pockets. Australians should react to this by movinging therebusiness elsewere. Roll on the NBN when a lot of suppliers will be able to supply these services outside of Telstra.

    If we are looking for reasons why we are likely to go down then thisisone.

    Don't these idiots realise that if more and more companies do this there will be less wealth spread around which means that less people able to buy their products. Then what happens to your profits.

    I think that the Government should bring in an apposing scheme to the 457 visa's where companies ecporting jobs should show just cause that they cannot find worker to do the job locally. This or that there should be a levy placed on money send out of Australia to pay for the overseas workers.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    4:56pm
    Blame the governments first and big business second. Both are selling out the nation whilst average Australians let them do it.
    student
    28th Jul 2014
    1:36pm
    Big Corporations have share holders who want a return for their investment (the majority of shares are in the hands of a few) The 'average Joe' has no power but does not realise this. The big Corp. uses the money of the many small investor who thinks his vote counts! Greed is going down the chain of power. I wonder how an investor feels if his investment Co. goes off shore and he losses his job?? Investing is a gamble especially if you have investments in your employer Co.
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    11:11am
    This is the area where Hockey and Corman should be doing the major reform on, instead of blaming the general populace, and then screwing the elderly and underprivileged .
    Big business running the country and sending Australian's money offshore. Island is right the monies paid by the taxpayer to the government as compared by the big end of town is what is driving this country into recession. And don't come back with being competitive you look after your own first, after these companies get that many tax breaks which then are being given to overseas investors. look at our share market these day's Australian listed companies are losing out to Investors trading on the countries where these companies are moving to.
    heyyou
    24th Jul 2014
    11:49am
    Don't expect any sympathy out of Hockey, this is all part of the plan to sell off all profitable government owned companies. Either make them to expensive for people to use or run them into the ground through bad service, again so people will not use them (Re: AusPost).
    Guessing which Multinational company will buy these, simple follow the paper. More people on the job scrapheap forcing the cost of wages down, forcing their standard of living down. Australia, you are looking at joining the third world community.
    THE SYSTEM MUST CHANGE!
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    4:57pm
    Whilst you are right Kato we are all to blame. We want cheap goods (I'm guilty) and we elect morons. So what do you expect?
    Polly Esther
    24th Jul 2014
    11:27am
    What's new ??
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    5:32pm
    Toohys !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    7:37pm
    Ill drink to that.
    Rosscoe
    24th Jul 2014
    11:37am
    The Telstra board members should all be sacked! These highly paid executives in Australia, who makes such decisions, to sell off Australian jobs, should be deported themselves! I've had enough of them!
    Pass the Ductape
    24th Jul 2014
    2:18pm
    That's the spirit Rosscoe - but guess what? They'll simply tell you to go take a hike and continue on their merry way. Why? Because they know you need them more than they need you.
    moke
    24th Jul 2014
    2:23pm
    Hey Rosscoe deport the executives and they will undoubtedly try to return as boat people and get almost as good a deal as they already rort the system for
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    4:43pm
    Rosscoe..Ring them and Complain ! But You wont understand a Bloody word of what They tell You ???
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    4:56pm
    Just don't ring them from a phone booth you will have to take your sleeping bag.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:02pm
    The irony of "sacking" Boards and CEOs is that the shareholders have no real say other than the ability to make a bit of noise. The real problems with Australia's company law is that shares are mostly held by OTHER COMPANIES and mum and dad shareholders are a minority. Pay deals are rarely is ever (almost never!!) voted down because the CEOs whose cmpanies own shares in another company realises that pay rises do the rounds. SO would you vote against a pay rise for yourself? That is why the rorts continue with ours governments looking the other way. Betrayal from both sides of government. Are you beginning to understand why I advocate voting for Independents.
    Anonymous
    24th Jul 2014
    7:29pm
    particolor

    I would though!
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    7:37pm
    Mussitate..So would the Mayor of Calcutta ! But we aint Him !!!
    Anonymous
    24th Jul 2014
    11:36pm
    particolor

    Aaaaarh, now I see your point and yeah your right…. no I wouldn't!

    I'm obviously as thick as sh*te today.

    Cheers particolor… you are very patient.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:18am
    Some vary from Your View and think I should be a Patient !!
    Blossom
    25th Jul 2014
    10:33am
    Particolor, they couldn't understand us and follow instructions at least 2 years ago. Pretty bad when you know how to rectify a problem and they have no idea. What hope have we got of getting problems solved. Some large National Retail Stores are doing the same thing.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:47am
    Engy ..They have NO IDEA !! To them Australia is a BOTTOMLESS PIT !!.. Big Shock coming soon when the Devils Hand comes out of one of them Holes and sais.. "That's It Folks, there aint No More !!" .. "Suck Eggs !!"...

    24th Jul 2014
    11:46am
    They move workers offshore as labour is cheaper in these countries if the labour party had not increased our own salaries to ridiculous levels their would be more employment in this country.
    Basically we have become uncompetitive.
    Wstaton
    24th Jul 2014
    12:04pm
    Come on,

    These people are paid peanuts. You expect people in Australia to be paid at the same rate. We would end up like India where 90% people live in virtual poverty.

    We are a rich country became that because of the people. This will rapidly go downhill making the rich richer and poviterising (my made up word)the rest of the country.

    True there are many in the country that are overpaid for what they do.

    What does Telstra do, reduce their costs to put more money in the hands of the rich but not making the goods to the public more affordable.

    This reminds me of a couple of worldwide computer companies I worked for who now do not exist. The were for cutting costs. How did they do it, by chopping people instead of looking at the real problem on how the company was run.

    Unfortunately for these companies when there was a surge in computers they also couldn't handle it. Why It takes a while to get people on board and train them. All the people they got rid of went to other computer companies. No way were they going to go back.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    3:35pm
    Uncompetitive with Who ? We were making all the Products and services Imaginable HERE !! for the local Market and going Quit well thank You !! I never complained ! Then some Bright Spark said lets Import it ,Its Cheaper and let them have all the Coal Gas and Iron ore at Bargain Basement prices, put the Domestic Prices up to Compensate for it, and we can buy the finished products back off them for Bugger all !!......But what will we buy these products with ?? Nobody has a Job here now ?? . ..Except the ...........
    Blame the Labour Party !! Not Pig Iron Bob who started all this !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    4:51pm
    ROBO - I bet if you asked the majority of the population to work for nineteen sixties wages they would do it, as long as Governments accepted the same wages with restructured super and perks, As ,long as the big companies rolled back there prices to the same level, As long as Health services did the same. In other words scrap the whole today system and start again. Problem solved. Well maybe if there was the political will and courage to do so.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:04pm
    Wstaton: We will become like India. Give it time. Read the first post and understand the problem.
    Tim@toc
    24th Jul 2014
    12:00pm
    Most of you have got it all wrong. Clearly we should all pay ten times more for Telstra's services so that we can keep the jobs in Australia.
    Wstaton
    24th Jul 2014
    12:07pm
    I guess youare saying this with tongue in cheek.

    Telstra is already the most expensive. Yes lets pay more. It would put them out of business.

    Roll on the NBN.
    Tim@toc
    24th Jul 2014
    12:18pm
    Yes Wstaton, v tongue in cheek. However, careful what you wish for. With the NBN, when we are forced to use it, we will be paying much more.
    Wstaton
    24th Jul 2014
    12:24pm
    I am using the NBN now and I pay less than before fore more.
    Wstaton
    24th Jul 2014
    12:34pm
    Further to this.

    On the other hando nce the NBN is up and running nationally you can bet that the Government will try and sell it off and we will be in the same state as we ended up with Telstra. One company holding the rest of the companies to ransom for access. Just like it ended up with Telstra holding the monopoly on the copper network and other companies going cap in hand.

    Or it could go the way electricity companies holding parts of the infrastructure. We saw how the costs of electricy shot up when this happened.

    As far as I am concerned national or state infrastructure should never be owned by private companies.
    Pass the Ductape
    24th Jul 2014
    2:23pm
    What I can't figure is that many, many years ago, the telephone services of the day were offered was at a rate which most people could well afford - and they employed thousands of people to do it. These days, they like to hire nobody, but charge like a wounded bull! What happened?
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    3:01pm
    Will people never learn to Stop Wounding Bulls ??
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    4:46pm
    and swans.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:05pm
    That is the choice. You want cheap so you lose jobs. You get cheap and then eventually there are no jobs to pay anything. So what is the better option?
    Wstaton
    24th Jul 2014
    5:35pm
    Yeah but telstra ain't cheap.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    5:53pm
    I just pulled a piece of Crap out of the Letterbox !! Southern Phone ..3 times the Gigs as Telstra and the Same Price ?? And no line Rental ?? Please Explain?? Pauline ....
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    12:47pm
    I couldn't care Bloody less anymore !! The Place is already nearly all foreign Owned !!..
    Every thing We ever worked for has been Given away or Pigged Up by the Politicians !!.
    They have no use for Old People any longer ,We Impede their Progress to Riches !!..
    Telstra is a Bloody Rip Off anyhow !! So get rid of it Completely Too !!.. Dredge the Barrier Reef for Coal Ports ! Frack all the Farm Land for Gas for China !!..I'm glad I'm OLD !! And wont be here to see the Moon Scape left !!..Good Luck !!
    heyyou
    24th Jul 2014
    1:15pm
    I feel the same way sometimes, but then then I look into my grand children's eyes, I see my neighbors children playing without a care in the world and I ask myself, if I do not stand up for them WHO WILL? This is not about you or I, it is about all of us.
    Do not give in to these grubs, become pro-active to succeed.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    1:35pm
    I quet realized that ! Heyyou !!.. But Id just about had enough of The Shenanigans of Selloffs WITOUT PERMISSION and LARGE Pay RISES for Ingrates !!ETC... The Ordinary People of this planet are No Longer Important, or so it seems ?? What happened to asking for something before You Snatch it ?? You (Not Me) Vote a Government in and once IN,They do whatever They Bloodywell Like ?? And You can all go and get St***** You suckers ..What the Hell is going on ??
    azpers
    24th Jul 2014
    1:50pm
    What the hell does the shift button do?
    i'LL prEsS iT eveRY so OftEn to See wHat it DoEs. HmmMM, Not MUcH.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    1:55pm
    Ithink You have found out now The shift Button Puts the CAPITOLS oN mOmENTARiLLy eTC !!..ok now ??
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    1:59pm
    wouldn't THE wORLD bE wONDERFUL IF wE DIDNT HAVE THOSE hALF wIT commanders TO ARGUE ABOUT ??..
    heyyou
    24th Jul 2014
    2:02pm
    You are in a war, not a war of guns but a war of persuasion, lies, bullying and entrapment. The power of justice, law, care, forthright has been usurped from the majority and only can the majority take it back. Speak to people, use forums, exchange ideas, get educated on ways you can influence politicians to make decisions to govern for the good of the population. democracy was never about multinationals or billionaires it is about "by the people for the people"(plural not singular)
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    2:52pm
    Personally I really don't care anymore ! Its too late now and You have let them get too far! The Aussie attitude did that !! Shell Be Right Mate !!..But it aint all Right ! I do pity the Younger Generations now that will possibly know no better than to do as they are told By a Dictatorship !! Forming in a Country Near You !!..
    Pass the Ductape
    24th Jul 2014
    2:57pm
    Sounds like you're thoroughly fed up 'particolor' and I for one don't blame you for venting your frustrations. I've had a gutful as well!

    As we get older - and for those of us still capable of recognising it - the dreams have faded and reality has finally kicked in.

    We've come to know and expect that most other people are too busy finding ways to rip the last dollar off their fellow man, to care about anything else.

    It's okay for those like 'heyyou' to suggest being proactive. They'll need all the luck in the world to achieve anything on that front. Many of us have already tried being proactive, but like 'particolor' are simply tired of flogging a dead horse.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    3:10pm
    Ducttape ..Thank You !! I'm as Sane as the next person and in charge of all My faculties !!( Some don't think so ) But its a Free Country so far ?? .. And I think it has gone just a Tad too Far now with all this Greed !! I'm happy with My lot and expect to live in retirement with Some Sort of Dignity !! Im nearly 70 now and do not like looking around every corner wornering what will be AXED out of the Just Sustainable Pension We have now !! Thanks again !!
    And PS.. Telstra is a Rip Off !!..
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:02pm
    Paticolor - me thinks your frustrations are felt by the majority. good on you for expressing them.
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:06pm
    The thing that gets my blood boiling is the craphole that is going to be left for our children. and the Politicians and Big Business don't give a rats. If they think that at some stage there is not going to big trouble from the populace in the form of retribution then they have sadly underestimated the Aussie Mentality.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    5:23pm
    Kato.. I'm just in a Bad Mood Today !! I got My Power Bill and Telstra Bill on the same day ??.. Different Years would have been more Affordable !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:31pm
    considering I think you are handling it all quite well, carry on Jones there's a chap.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    5:44pm
    Kato.. I think it took the last Election to really wake people up !! Or some people anyway ! Some are Hopeless and One Eyed and think a Certain Party Lays Golden Eggs ??..But I've noticed a few of them come Back to Earth now ! A Boot in the Kyber from a loved one changes minds sometimes !!??
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:50pm
    Bloggers: I hear what you are saying and I think that many Australians have a feeling of helplessness as do I. So what do you do about it?
    My suggestion is that the electorate needs to lick its wounds, vote in a new political party and wipe out the bastards who think that they are unaccountable and untouchable. That is all that can happen to fix the mess as not voting them out (of the parliament) means that you have to accept the crumbs and deceit you get.
    What new party?: the Small Business and Pensioners Party.
    I am used to fighting city hall and mostly winning but it irks me that Australians bitch about how bad it is but never put their money where their mouth is and rarely get off the arm chair to make anything worthwhile happen.
    So you want a go?????? What you got inside you bro??????
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    6:05pm
    Two Minute Noodles and a Sao !! Too Weak to move now Mick !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    7:42pm
    wholemeal or plain.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    7:49pm
    Dunno I never looked I was that Famished !!..
    Anonymous
    24th Jul 2014
    11:40pm
    Love people with fire in their bellies.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:26am
    It wasn't the Glint in His Eyes but the Tilt in His Kilt
    Tom Tank
    24th Jul 2014
    1:03pm
    Ah the wonders on unrestrained Capitalism. Just as Communism doesn't work neither does Capitalism in it's extreme form as we are seeing now.
    heyyou
    24th Jul 2014
    1:45pm
    Exactly, just as Communism is an ideology so is Capitalism. Was taught all those years ago in school that it will fail, the trick is to enable the majority to control the governors so that the majority always rules, this is not so at present. Just remember there are more of us then there is of them, if only by sheer number and not self given authority can control be re-established.
    Ageing but not Old
    24th Jul 2014
    2:04pm
    Too true, Tom. (love the alliteration of that sentence). There always has been, and probably always will be a need to have some incentives for ingenuity, productivity and reasoned, sustainable growth. However, that needs to be balanced against the concepts of keeping the planet (and therefore, us humans) alive & healthy; also trying to reduce the worldwide birth rate, and endeavour to feed, clothe & shelter all people everywhere. With enough to live ON, the extras that comprise what we call 'lifestyle' can be provided with the first part of the equation. I'm not a raving Socialist; just a humanist with some grasp of economics. It would take a lot of brains and realistic hard work, but more balance CAN come to Australian, and world economics.
    azpers
    24th Jul 2014
    2:05pm
    For all of its faults, capitalism does work. The majority (voters?) do rule. It's only that they are so stupid and easily led. How many complained about David Jones being sold to South Africa, yet the mums and dads with DJ shares voted for the sell-out. The future that concerns the majority of Australians is what dog food they are going to buy, or how their football team will do on the weekend. Deep, extended thought is not practiced in this country. Give a thought to the following. It doesn't matter what colour or religious persuasion, every man is born a capitalist.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:51pm
    It's not that Capitalism does not work, it's just that corruption, no transparency and unaccountable behaviour have become the norm and corrupted the ideology.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:21am
    I wonder if Joe lit their Cigars with a Hundred Buck Note ???
    Tom Tank
    25th Jul 2014
    2:36pm
    I did say unrestrained capitalism. The only way it can be fair to all is to have some controls to stop the runaway greed. To give an example.
    I can never forgive the Labor Government for selling the Commonwealth Bank (The Peoples Bank). As long as the CBA was owned by the people it acted as a control mechanism on all the other banks while still having to compete in the market place. Now look at what has happened.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    2:54pm
    Nobody I know would sell something that made a MASSIVE Profit, for a short term gain !! Unless they were hiding something and heading off to the Caribbean !!
    Incognito
    24th Jul 2014
    1:34pm
    I do not use Telstra, too expensive for me, they are a rip off company. Take your business elsewhere, then they will have something to complain about. How does Tony Abbott expect everyone to be in the workforce if jobs keep disappearing?
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    1:42pm
    They Expect You to take out A Further Education Loan and Learn something ?? Doesn't matter if You are 60 Bloody 4 .Get off Yer Bum You Lazy Loafer and Contribute some Tax for a Pay Rise and do some HEAVY LIFTING !!.. Do us Politicians have to do ALL the HEAVY LIFTING ??
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    1:48pm
    Stalin put and an End to that sort of Attitude heyyou !!
    heyyou
    24th Jul 2014
    2:09pm
    Stalin etc. have had their day, learn from their mistakes particolor !!
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    2:30pm
    I did ! but others didn't, History Repeats itself once again !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:13pm
    Hey you -Stalin etc may have had there day, but have a look at what is going on in Ukraine, the trouble started there with Stalin doing his ethnic cleansing, funny how the Russians have come back on the scene in crimea trying to screw the Ukranians again, so you see nothing learnt there, just greed repeating history again.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:53pm
    particolor: You are clearly piss** off...and with good reason. But a few words of advice: don't get angry, get even. This only happens with NUMBERS.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    5:59pm
    The PM gets a lot of Numbers ?? FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVEN THOUSAND OF THEM PLUS PERKS GALORE !!... And FREE Newspapers delivered Daily to Parliament House !!
    heyyou
    24th Jul 2014
    6:03pm
    Kato, what I am saying is don't let it happen here, if you "ignore the past you are condemned to live it in the future".
    Loss of political control (what happens in your country) by voters will condemn them to accepting any thing that there rulers dish out.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    1:52pm
    Drew ..Your Dog is barking at a Tree that has nothing up it but Spikey Caterpillars !!
    Fred
    24th Jul 2014
    2:05pm
    Boycott Telstra. I already do
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:54am
    I had no choice ?! I had to take them ! Even though they Charge like a Harpooned Water Buffalo !!....
    A year to go on the Contract and then they can Skeedaddle, and I'll go back to Reading Books !!.
    Young
    24th Jul 2014
    2:09pm
    The do gooders have claimed we are one world.We will all live together happily ever after.There will be no pollution,no poverty and no war.Wonderful.We can work wherever in the world we want and people can come here to work.There will be no racism.All races will live together happily.
    They must be joking.
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:38pm
    You should have heard Bill Clinton this morning he was rabbiting on about something like that,
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    5:50pm
    Apply for a Labourers Factory job in China and let us know the results !!
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:54pm
    The masses have to be placated lest they revolt. See the rhetoric fro what it is.
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    7:46pm
    Would Monica work there.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:23am
    That's Blue !!
    Kato
    25th Jul 2014
    3:27pm
    The dress as well.
    moke
    24th Jul 2014
    2:14pm
    Why bother to send them off shore, I rang to day and all I got was a heap of gobbeldy gook spoken so fast that I could not understand a word, could it be any worse
    Wstaton
    24th Jul 2014
    5:29pm
    You were talking to a help desk moke. These jobs have already been exported.

    these 671 jobs are not help desk jobs.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    5:58pm
    The solution moke: ask them to repeat everything SLOWLY. Then ask for clarification. And if you have issues or get attitude then ask for their name and then ask to speak to their supervisor...whose name you also need to take down. And if no satisfaction email the company with your email beginning "PLEASE PASS ON TO CEO".
    I do believ you may get a bit better service then. Mentioning the word "media" also helps, especially if you have been done over. Look what is happening to the Commonwealth Bank...in spite of it trying to hush hush things up. They're screwed.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    6:33pm
    I was trying to Repair a Computer fault a few months back, and I thought I had a Muscovy Duck on the other end of the Phone ??
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    7:49pm
    They say mountin duck is better.
    Pass the Ductape
    24th Jul 2014
    2:15pm
    Oh that's just peachy! More bloody people hired from overseas that speak English with such an accent, you can't understand them.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    2:27pm
    Skuze Plize Will you be button putting to Stert menu und EH ?? Bla Bla Bla !! WTF ??
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    2:32pm
    That's how far I got before Hanging Up !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:34pm
    well I started off in India, then went to Pakistan, then Germany. man what a trip.
    you are obviously bilingual. I knew a gal like that once.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    6:15pm
    The FEE for that World Tour will be on Your next Bill !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    7:48pm
    Duck bill.
    Mike Omment
    24th Jul 2014
    2:28pm
    particolor you must get that medication checked as a priority
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    2:33pm
    But this Keg isn't Empty Yet !!
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    2:40pm
    Others on here Post worse things than I do !! Pick on them !!..
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    2:44pm
    Moorbid If Your Bored and looking for something to fill in a few weeks of Your time ..Go to Telstra Complaints Page, ER! Pages, on Google and have a Good laugh !!
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:21pm
    send some of the keg over to morbid sound like he needs some cheering up.
    Moorbid go back to bed and before you get out the other side give yourself some tenderness, it may just make ya less morbid.
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:22pm
    worse you wanna hear worse blaaaaaa blaaaaa and now because Im seventy four time for the nanny nap. so from him goodnight.
    Kato
    24th Jul 2014
    5:28pm
    yep the medication is kicking in.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    10:36pm
    Have not seen you around for a while particolor. Pretty active on this blog. Glad you are still kicking.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:04am
    No !! Some Tough Guy Tried to Insult Me !! I take no Side ! The whole Barrel of Apples is ROTTEN !! GREED RULES !!.. I think it was something I said that was not to His taste about His Hero's the present Dictators .. HAIL CEASER !!
    Aurora60
    24th Jul 2014
    5:15pm
    thought they were already offshore ......
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    5:18pm
    More like Outer Space if You Ring them ??
    pelagia
    24th Jul 2014
    6:38pm
    I needed to contact Telstra...rang the number...and then waited, and waited,,finally my call was answered..not from Australia but from the Phillipines...he was lovely, but, it was extremely difficult to understand him......we need to do something about our work ethic...it is much cheaper to work in Asia than here...why?????????money????without work, there is no money, so why not be happy with the working conditions...come on Australia,,,WAKE-UP
    41Alpha
    24th Jul 2014
    7:01pm
    Where is the patriotism ?, Australians loosing jobs so Telstra can get it done cheaper over seas. absolutely sickening .
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    7:26pm
    And it makes You wonder ????
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    9:49am
    Patriotism? Australians?
    If it were patriotic they would be lynching governments who try to sell our freehold farmland to foreign governments and jobs to the third world. The reality is that Australians are apathetic and will complain when its too late and all gone. Inbetween they will be bending the elbow or having fun.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:06am
    Yeah !! I'm doing a lot of Elbow Bending and Fun Having !! I've never been Better offerer !! ..Sell all the Cows grass !! Suck all the Gas out !! Shovel all the Coal on a ship !! See if I care ??
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:10am
    OWW!! And to stay on coarse ..Roll all the Copper wire up too and Flog that off as well !! We can go back to COOEEING to each other !! She'll be Right Mate !!
    sandy
    24th Jul 2014
    8:03pm
    All the more reason to leave the phone off the hook when answering an obviously overseas phone call. No wonder experienced people like me are having so much trouble finding work.
    particolor
    24th Jul 2014
    8:12pm
    Sorry Sandy ..Your JOB boarded a boat for a Position in another Land !!
    professori_au
    24th Jul 2014
    9:47pm
    The government is deliberately supporting a policy of destruction of Australia by selling off resources and assets to foreign corporations. Our manufacturing and rural industrial base has been destroyed. supporting and allowing jobs to be moved offshore is a deliberate attempt to reduce employment. It also means a destruction of services as those at the call centres consider they speak English. They do but it is strictly text book and does not take into consideration accents, colloquial and dialect. Australian English is different from UK, Canada, NZ, USA, etc. So how can you sort out a problem when you are speaking to people who do not understand you. These people appear to be reading instructions that they try to relay to you and do not understand your problem and to avoid you insisting they answer your query will speak over you. Ask to speak to a supervisor or manager, will frequently be refused. Businesses that did not draw on taxpayer moneys to survive would not last five minutes. Why should the taxpayer contribute further taxes to save these companies that owe no loyality and will leave the country once the handouts stop.
    MICK
    24th Jul 2014
    10:40pm
    Both sides of politics are vandals. They are selling out all of our descendents and nobody is doing jot to stop them. Is that what we as a nation have become?
    I watched Barnaby Joyce tonight. A big disappointment as even Barnaby has now thrown in with the concept that it is good to sell your freehold farming land to foreign governments, specifically the Chinese who once in will never give an inch and take out their food whist future Australians starve.
    Perhaps I shoo\uld stop caring as nobody else much gives a damn.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:29am
    Your Right Mick..I don't think anyone gives a Burren Juck any more ??
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    9:52am
    Its a human trait that we complain once the deed is done but sit back and wait for 'somebody elese' to solve our problems whilst the game is in play. I just wish that the future of the nation was given the same air time as boat people. If it were we would not have a problem because those who are paid so much to govern but who betray us all would have to act differently.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:18am
    There is a LOT of people relying on that Job of looking after Boaties Mick !!.. Id hate for them to lose their Well paid Employment !! Id send My last packet of Cupboard Milk to them if I thought it would Help !! But alas !! I'm only one Little voice in a wilderness of Wildebeest !!
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    1:07pm
    The mathematics is not even beyond the single digit IQ of those who we elect. The country has to live within its means. That means that you cannot import more in dollar terms than you export or you end up with trade deficits. The problem with our dim witted politicians is that they think they can....unless they know they are selling the country down the drain. If the latter then the public needs to call for jail sentences and the proceeds of crime legislation to remove the assets of those concerned. Who would care about a destitute politician???
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    1:19pm
    I would !! That is Depriving them of the Luxury to which they have become Accustomed !! A Cardinal Sin !!
    By 2014 No Politician will live in Poverty !!
    Julkay
    24th Jul 2014
    10:43pm
    Australia has no money because they are selling everything off to other countries. No industries, no jobs, no money coming into Australia. All going out and nothing left to get it back. We will be a third weld country living off handouts thanks to our inconsiderate government.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    7:56am
    Keeting was Right !!!!! "Your turning this place into a BANANA REPUBLIC !!"
    professori_au
    25th Jul 2014
    9:32am
    Julkay I do not believe it. The government, well corporation is holding large sums in investment accounts, e.g. the futures fund and others, Now it is speaking of a medical futures fund. Where is that going to be kept and who will manage it.
    Check through all of the sub-levels down to the local government and they are all holding investment accounts. However, try and get hold of copies and they hide behind commercial and confidential, Why? If they have nothing to hide and all is above board then it should not be hard to let the public know where their taxes, rates etc. are being held. Why is it necessary to hide them in off shore tax havens.
    No, I am sorry I do not believe we are broke. The government has no problem sending monies to the UN, gifting millions in aid; funding wars in other countries where we should not be, just so these governments can lick the boots of the USA and the UN. In business You only spend money you have. If you cannot balance your budget then you are not good business operators. I understand that Australia is the only Western country that allows its assets, resources and lands to be bought by foreign corporations and countries. A piece of information that can be used as an example if correct. A farmer who lives in a dairying region told me that the Chinese are buying good dairying property and sending the products directly to China and not paying any tax to the Australia government. If this is correct, then not only has these corporate governments breached the Commonwealth Constitution 1900-1891 by acting outside of their authority but has also failed to collect the taxes that belong to us. A double whammy? I don't know of any referendum that gave parliaments the power to do this. Parliaments have usurped authority from the people. Lawful government is the people and the parliaments are its servant. There is no provision in the Constitution for political parties and their factions. Hence we could say polticians have committed crimes of sedition/treason/treachery against the people for the benefit of the privileged.
    I am ashamed of the Australia we are becoming. I am ashamed we have let down those who fought and were injured or died in the process of making this a beautiful safe and just place to rear our families. It will get worse unless the people start demanding accountability and transparency from our politicians. thankfully some are starting the process but it will need hundreds of thousands to return to lawful government. It will not be easy while our electoral system favours the two party system and allows poltical factions to control the results.
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    9:56am
    It is basic mathematics and logic that you cannot flog off everything and then expect to have a decent standard of living because YOU HAVE TO PAY for what we all consume. If our basic beeds are coming from overseas labour then these folk expect to be paid or they will work for somebody else. The issue is HOW DO WE PAY. The answer is royalties. But because we only make the national income through mining essentially and these commodities have dropped like a rock we are now having to face up to what has been done to the country by government after government who have had no idea and did not care as long as the money was flowing. But just like a householder selling off everything he has the time comes when the cupboard is empty and you go hungry. Our time is approaching...unless there is a magic rabbit to be pulled out of a hat. There isn't.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:40am
    How Long Now !! Till we are IMPORTING Wool, Coal, Gas, Food, Clothing. Polititions Even !!.. The ones we've got are as useless as an Ash Tray on a Push Bike !!..
    Have You been to Garage Sales lately ?? They are selling the Family Silver already !!

    24th Jul 2014
    11:40pm
    Simple really - unless they are selling telephone etc services off-shore they are cutting their own throats by axing workers here.

    No income = no telephone usage/internet usage = no revenue for Telstra = slippery downhill slide to oblivion.

    Off-shoring jobs is absolute insanity for any organisation that operates within Australian borders only. ONLY the middle men who move stuff in and out of Oz can make money by axing Australians.

    Someone in Telstra has not thought this through - must be one of those educated manager pussies.... they are all deluded into the belief that cutting workers will somehow raise revenue, but not that everyone doing the same will reduce the ability of many to pay into revenue....

    Dumb as....
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    9:59am
    Its not just Telstra Grappler. Its the car industry. Its textiles. Its even food. Its the ownership of our mineral resources.
    Its the cumulative effect and there is no escaping the results in time. We will all suffer when the party is over and because the media is owned bu big business you won't get the truth of what is happening. You have to look around you as unemployment and the national desbt continue to grow. God help your grandchildren.

    24th Jul 2014
    11:56pm
    It's all well and good to whine about our 'not being competitive' - we should never even want to compete with countries that have so little respect for their workers that they use them at cheap rates. that's one aspect of it - any of you who want to live like those in Asian countries - be my guest.. on your own time and not mine!

    On the other hand - any discussion of 'not being competitive' needs to be looked at from the perspective of costs of living v wages - these do not operate in isolation and I'v posted before about these things.

    Unless costs of living go down - no possibility exists of wages coming down, and the whole deal is currently papered over with a huge rate of unemployment - as much as one in twelve... and will continue to be so.

    I've explained the real cost of the Mandatory Dual Income Family to you - the real cost of 'equalising' some at the expense of the many - and the real cost of operating off-shore business in a banana republic (gimme dat ol' Banana Boat song.. daaaay-o) - and the current escalating social and economic divides in this country (and others).

    Final point - as for fighting for what is right here - I've said elsewhere that is what grandfathers are for. I will not stand by and watch my grand-children reduced to serfs to satisfy some narrow-gutted** politician or boss person who thinks they are entitled to be rich at their expense.

    **Narrow-gutted - describes a cow or horse that is not in the pink of condition. Old Bushie's term handed to me by my father... also means a shifty character. See Joe Hockey - narrow-gutted shifty character.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    8:42am
    Australia had it all Once ! The Minerals and the Means to make it !! Our Forefathers had Insight and made this Country Great !! Proud we were to be Australian !!.
    Now we are Reduced to a Pack of Whingers !!.. Led by a Pack of Wankers !! ..

    TBC.. When I'm feelin Better !! ..
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    10:04am
    YOu are on the money Grappler. Its the eternal struggle between cheap and having a job. Whilst we all want cheap we all need a job to pay for goods. These will continue to disappear as we sell off every industry in the nation until it is clear that we are broke and that we cannot pay for our imports and overseas workforce. Then the trade barriers will have to go up again. No other choice. But sadly average AUstralians will be the working poor by that time, not the affluent folk we now are. Throw in the fact that Australians do not maximise their opportunities and routinely give away their wonderful scientific discoveries and you have a train wreck coming the way of our grandchildren......I can already hear folk saying 'doomsdayer' and 'negative', bit I await the LOGIC which shows any way out.
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    10:08am
    Paricolor: I like your description. Quite true. The sadness in it is that we all want to have whinge but do nothing other than continue to vote for the same morons we repeatedly elect. The solution is to VOTE OUT BOTH SIDES OF POLITICS AND PUT IN ALL INDEPENDENTS and start again. That way the perverse vested interests are cut out and you get ptoper government rather than government for those who stump up election funding for the cnadidates.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:28am
    WHATS WITH THE WE ?? NO WAY I Voted for the Wankers !!..
    Musta been Blind Freddy ??..
    You've got The Babbling Brook Party now !! GURGLE ! GURGLE !! GURGLE !!!..
    Down Hill All The Way !!
    Blossom
    25th Jul 2014
    10:28am
    Companies have been doing this for at least 20 years that I know of. Telstra sent some of its jobs off-shore at least 2 years ago. Some of tghe people overseas have no idea who to fix some problems. Not only are we losing jobs, but also many of the people you now speak to are almost impossible to understand, and also act as though they can't understand us or just don't want to be helpful.
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    1:03pm
    True....and the results are beginning to show. We had a huge budget blow out last month. Huge. The chickens are coming home to roost Engy. Give it a bit more time and you are going to see a nation of slaves. But don't be angry at anyone because apathetic AUstralians are to blame.
    Sallad
    25th Jul 2014
    10:39am
    Most unfair. The Govt should impose higher taxes on companies that outsource jobs that can be done in Oz. Scary thought is that our personnel information protected by Australian law is not safe in the hands of overseas personnel covered by the laws in their countries. Also fearing scammers having a field day pretending to be calling from Telstra.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:59am
    Send Money by Western Union, Pliz !!
    MICK
    25th Jul 2014
    1:02pm
    Sallad: Who do you think owns this government? Answer: big business. Did you not notice that in the budget business got a 1.5% tax cut whilst everybody got new taxes?
    Dollars over Respect?
    25th Jul 2014
    3:22pm
    I believe Telstra (we) paid Trujillo $27 million just to get rid of him after only 3 years?
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    3:40pm
    You can get rid of Me for a Tad less than that !!
    Grateful
    25th Jul 2014
    4:48pm
    While Telstra keeps paying massive fully franked dividends, you won't hear too many people complaining.
    As franking credits are supposedly only derived from profits made in Australia, what the government should do is to dissect how much Telstra saves by using cheap overseas labour to include in their profits and exempt that portion from the franking credits. Then hear the people scream.
    The DJ takeover mentioned previously is a classic example how Australians think through their wallets, yet continue to complain about "selling the farm"!!!
    Can't have our cake and eat it.
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    5:16pm
    My Brother called His Telstra Shares POO TICKETS !!
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    5:18pm
    But then He never had as many as Ziggy !!
    professori_au
    25th Jul 2014
    9:44pm
    None of our jobs should be going off shore and especially companies like Telstra. Where will be the jobs for future generations. What is the parliaments doing to stop the job drain. It claims jobs will be in the Electronic and computer, data management areas. However, not everyone will be suitable for those tasks. Telstra and many other public bodies used to employ apprentices, e.g. local government used to be responsible corporate citizens and took some of the responsibility to train our apprentices in horticulture, building and construction, plumbing, electricians, motor mechanics and so on. Or Water boards also did the
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    10:05pm
    Keep that sort of Complaining up Proffesori and You will be put on notice !! Our Highly Trained Government knows what it doing !! And I'm putting Your water up to 2 Dollars a Glass now !!..
    professori_au
    25th Jul 2014
    10:47pm
    The state Ministry of Housing had its own maintenance workers and the housing stock was kept in good condition. When the government decided to contract the work, little was done and what was done was of poor standard. The Victorian government put out a media release that it was spending $84M over four years to build new stock; half would be sold off for private sale the balance to go for public housing. Already this shows the government is selling off public land and assets. shortly after it proposed to sell the public housing to "charitable" corporations.
    This means that despite promising half to public housing it will eventually privatise the whole lot, so the public has been lied to. Before anyone suggests I am a public housing tenant whinging let me disillusion you. I live in a private house and my contact is as an advocate trying to ensure justice is given to those in less affluent situations. One client I was asked to act for lived in a public housing built on the "tilt slab" principal. It was a single wall; cold in the winter and hot in the summer as there was no way you could insultate such a building. On top of that it had been built on slat marsh land using a poorly designed slab. There no webbing to stabilise the slabs and as a result the slab was broken putting stress on the windows that had broken several times. The tenant was expected to pay for the windows. One wall had separated from the main structure so there was approximately a three inch gap. A recommendation was to tie the walls with re-enforcing bars until a better solution could be found. Solution? A private contractor employed to fill the gap with polystyrene foam, paint it and lay a new carpet. The family was re-located to another home for health and safety reasons.
    The house? Still standing and rented. Has it been fully restore and renovated, I can't say but driving past it look just the same, I have been told is used for emergency accommodation but I cannot find out whether this is correct yet.
    Our SEC had apprentices and the lines and poles were fully cleaned and maintained. Today pole fires are frequent, especially near the coast where the salt air combines with other pollutants to cause short circuits.
    So it was similar with the water boards. Little maintenance, with no accountability or transparency to assure the public they are being justly charged or that the increases are justifiably. I could go on drawing from my experience as an advocate. I will close with a question for the readers. Who entered into these contracts, sales and expenditure. Were you asked (referendum)? No you were not. Were you asked to give up the government that is you and I, the people.
    Did you agree to change the Commonwealth Constitution 1900-1901, where you were protected by common law rights and hand it over to corporations using admiralty law, where the people had no rights. Did you agree to exchange the flesh and blood living Queen Elizabeth 2 and accept a fiction queen created by the corporate parliament, using a similar name and calling her queen of Australia.
    This is the corruption not from one political party but all have been involved. I urge you to take the time and learn about your constitution and bill of rights, inherited through the Westminster system of law. The Westminster law evolved through the through the 10 commandments, Molutime laws, (pre 9th Century), through the Magna Carta. When the Commonwealth constitution 1900-1901 was created the UK Bill of rights was included. Since the signing of the Federation there has been continuing activity by vested interests of the rich and the privileged to destroy it and replace it with their won version of a constitution.

    I believe that one option is to use the corrupt election system, but nominate many independents who will be accountable to their constituents. Political parties? thumbs down. give them your last vote. when we have enough independents we can then demand a return to lawful government
    particolor
    25th Jul 2014
    11:10pm
    Seems I'm the only one here Profissori ?? I'm in the same situation as You there All repairs have been put out to tender now !! and the work at times is very unprofessional to say the least !! and I never see an Apprentice anywhere anymore ?? either that or they are at Lunch !!.. Good read by the way !! And I think Your right The Queen is the Cats Mother now !!
    professori_au
    28th Jul 2014
    10:03am
    Hi Particolor or should it be particolour:) Why stop at $2 a glass. that's the cover. check the water alliances where funds are transferred, including tax moneys.

    I am probably on notice now and have been for many years because I speak out and say it as I see it:) My ancestry allows that. I am Irish/Scottish by descent and that makes a bad combination. When in the public service I was never a very good public servant's public servant. I licked nobody's boots and stood up for my clients against bureaucracy. One time I was "advised" by a senior manager that I could lose my job if I did not toe the line. "Indeed I could" I replied, "However, I know who I am and know what I can do. Can you say the same. You have been a public servant since leaving school. could you make a fresh start at the same salary level you are on now in private enterprise. In could start a new business tomorrow and have no problems and if you chose to take up the threat I would go public and I am sure your career path might suffer. Nothing happened and when I retired my manager came up to wish me well and paused and say "we did not know how to handle you" I asked "are you saying I was incompetent?" No he replied that was the problem. :) A sort of backhand compliment I think. For nearly 12 months after I retired I received calls from the department asking for advice, I could not have been too bad:)
    professori_au
    26th Jul 2014
    12:09am
    Hmmm! Started Writing then it disappeared. Must have hit a wrong key:(

    Thanks Particolour. Seems we Older gentlemen are the only ones with stamina:)
    I am not a lawyer but have been involved with legal issues since the late '60's.
    Agaoinst the NSW government for only allowing the large landowners access to drought reconstruction. Eventually won the right.
    Next was seeking justice from against our family lawyer who had his hand in the "till"
    No help from the government or the legal profession, only threats should I continue.
    Decided to research and learn and fight on my own. Eventually built a case that was accepted for investigation by Vic and NSW Fraud squads and the lawyer became a guest of he Majesty. Next involved Industrial Relations; OH&S; Industry Training; Work cover and many other legal areas required to fulfil my role as a consultant and later a public servant.
    Retired and became a volunteer community advocate supporting those unable to help themselves and legal help was beyond their financial capacity. while doing this I continued to study our Constitution and how it protects your common law rights. I have learnt how the system attempts to deny you the right to fight for those rights. Victoria has established a Star Chamber court system, where a magistrate can hear you case without you needing to be there to defend yourself. Star Chamber courts were outlawed around 1649 in the UK and the Act that outlawed it is part of our constitution. People are now running their own cases once they understand what the laws are and how to apply them. I know of many cases where the magistrate has abandoned the court rather than face a challenge requesting them to show their authority and to be asked who do the give their allegiance. so the people are waking up. Unfortunately, I am starting to slow down a bit as I am only months away from 82. My working days are much shorter. I started this morning at 8.30 am and am now going to have a drink and head for bed. It is early yet, only 12:07am. I used to be able to work till 2 or 3 in the morning. cheers for now Good morning:)
    particolor
    26th Jul 2014
    7:57am
    Good Morning Professori !! Seems us EX Public Servants have all the Stamina after all ?. Hand in the till Ay,Nasty ! I saw that on Ronnie Barker once, but He only had His tie caught in the till !! .. I couldn't quiet gather who was outlawed and who wasn't there ? as it was back in the Kelly days !!..
    professori_au
    26th Jul 2014
    9:20am
    Particolour. Yes I spell colour as colour not the Americanised version. I say clark for clerk and so on. The yanks have stolen enough from us without me accepting their kind of English.
    I much rather the Aussie twang than the nasal sound of American speech. I am only on for a few minutes to check whether smokey joe has left me any money to buy groceries. See you later tonight perhaps. Meanwhile I will take my foster daughter and her children shopping. She with her children are a prime example of the lack of compassion and callousness of our government. She married an Aussie and came to Australia and he turned out not the gentleman she thought she married. After being kept captive in a country town, four children, she fled to a refuge. Because she trusted her husband he arranged the papers to come to Australia and when she left him due to domestic violence, he tried to have her deported. Cut story short, my daughter in law brought her to me to see if I could help. Until then I did not usually work with the Federal areas but when I read the documents and found what he was accusing her, I asked were they true and she said no. I asked why she did not defend herself. She said I am not allowed. If I did they would take the children away from her. That decided me and I took her case on and it took three or four years but we were able to get her residency. Because of the time I was involved my own family adopted her into our very extended family and she became a daughter and to the children I became Opa. Three of the children are disabled. the fourth one was deported back to Britain as she turned 18. She was a daughter from a previous marriage and was especially the victim of her husband's abuse. What our intellectually handicapped governments do not seem to, or do not want to understand we both share the same Queen and Australia has discriminated against a subject of the Queen, breaching our own constitution as a result. Australia is considered a basket case because how the government has been high jacked by foreign powers e.g. political factions. The people of the Commonwealth have not entered into any agreement or contract, so if compensation is required then they will need to take it up with the members of the corporations. I am a-political; having no trust or faith in honest government by these people. It is all about power and money and not for the people. Better get shopping, bye for now
    particolor
    26th Jul 2014
    11:18am
    Dou You still say Gaol instead of Jail ?? Best thing they ever did when they changed that one !! Even the dictionary says See Jail !!....
    Yes I understand Your case there ,also having seen some it ! There is no understanding our Weird Migration policies and never was !!.Any wonder those Boaties need Expensive Lawyers ?? Who I don't think have a Clue what they are talking about Either ???... I think the same person wrote it, that Wrote Hoockeys Budget ???...
    P$cript
    26th Jul 2014
    11:44pm
    On leaving Telstra I emailed Thodey regards his poor opinion of the workers. I actually received a response in which his attitude was " I'm all right, and his salary was less than the previous CEO, Sol." Easy to see he is only interested in his own wellbeing regardless of his affect on those earning his incoming.
    Not Senile Yet!
    27th Jul 2014
    1:49am
    Telstra was SOLD OFF by the Government years ago!!!
    It now operates as a private Company with the Government retaining shares....what a laugh!!!!
    I gave up on Telstra years ago when they brought in the Big Yank on the Big Yank Corporate Salary......what with all the jobs he axed and all the others he turned into private contractors on hire contracts........all to justify his Salary!!!!! What a big joke that was!!
    Anyway.....once they started wanting to upsell like the other Yanky Doodles....you know...Do you want Small Large or Medium Chips and Coke with that Sir/Madam.....they Lost me....and that was in the Nineties!
    Any Aussie Company outsourcing jobs oversees unnecessarily will just loose business.....because most hang up when the foreign voice comes on a crackly line.......just like the scammers etc!
    Whoever the idiot is that put this forward within Telstra...ought to be out-sourced.... themselves......preferably back to America....where most of these absurd ideas come from!!!!
    But like I said...I refuse to use Telstra.....and will continue to do so!
    Others need to understand...your power lies in your dollar...stop giving it to them...take your business elsewhere...it's not like you do not have other options!
    professori_au
    27th Jul 2014
    8:09pm
    yes it was sold off, yet I question the legality. It is much more complex and those who thought they were going to make a killing found out the shares were over inflated. Not particularly sorry for those greedy ones who got caught. They were happy to sell and buy whilst they made a "killing and were not concerned that they were selling out in effect the rest of the people. It is a public asset and required a referendum to sell. did not happen. Look at the type of service we have. Nil. You now have a private corporation that is greedy and provide an expensive but poor service and that is reluctant to upgrade its facility.
    Kato
    27th Jul 2014
    1:13pm
    Lisa Owen began by asking him how much trouble the Australian economy was in given his drastic measures in the recent Budget.

    Joe Hockey: The Australian economy is not in trouble. We’ve had 23 years of consecutive economic growth.


    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Interview-Joe-Hockey/tabid/1348/articleID/354234/Default.aspx#ixzz38dLvSp61
    maczee
    27th Jul 2014
    7:12pm
    It is deplorable to betray the workers in this country , the companies who off shore jobs should not get our loyalty, I for one will not give any company who do this in future my business, I doubt that will worry them, but if we all walk and support our own then maybe they will think again. We have to try.
    Caz
    28th Jul 2014
    3:56pm
    I was made redundant by one of our banks so that my position could go to India. I thought a redundant positon meant it was no longer required. About time this was stopped.


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